Not like being sexist or anything, but why does "there might have been one or two female Bretonnian Knights, probably hidden as males" become a backdoor to "nearly every scene/novel/book involving Bretonnians has a noticeable amount of female knights"Which has some horrific implications for how they're commonplace in the Old World era, but by the "End Times" era have disappeared.It's a bit like the whole Shieldmaidens thing and how that's evolved in "Viking" circles.
>>98525335We told you the slippery slope was real.Nobody wanted to believe us.
>>98525335GW (and nearly every other western media franchise aimed at men) is absolutely convinced that there is a huge untapped female fan base that can be made to take interest in (and spend money on) the franchise if there were JUST a few more women in it.This never turns out to true, and usually ends up alienating the existing male fanbase, but the people in charge of this stuff are basing their worldviews on social media feeds from the mentally ill.
>>98525335Because the people developing and marketing the game have become completely divorced from the people who play it
>>98525335See, those horrific implications would be pretty interesting to explore imo. I don't expect GW or C& to do this anywhere because it's basically a retcon, but I can at least do something about it in my own WFRP games.
>>98525335>female Bretonnian Knights, probably hidden as malesI'm okay with this because this concept (in general) is my fetish.Especially if they get betrothed to a princess.
>>98525335Because too many woke fags DEI their way in GW and can't stand having a man have their spaces and be in charge of anything.This is like 40k there always been girls in the Custodes. When they always been called the Sons of Holy Terra. Their lore is they're the sons of nobles who were given to the Emperor as newborns. The people running GW want to sell it off and will DEI the shit out of it hoping Amazon, tencent, etc will buy them.
>>98525335Absolutely and unrepentantly being sexist when I say: If you let feminists get the camels nose into the tent it's your own fault when you end up sharing a tent with a camel.
>>98525335You know exactly why.I know exactly why.We all know exactly why.
>>98525442pretty much. If you let the fuckers in. They're just going to kick you out. Drain the funds and goodwill till nothing is left and then fuck off like the locust they are for the next sucker who let's them in.
>>98525409There is a huge untapped market of female consumers, women spend way more money than men do on pretty much anything they're involved with, it's just that the only fantasy/sci-fi places that has cracked the code on how to lure them in is romantasy authors (who are usually women themselves) and no one has really tried that kind of thing with stuff like miniatures or roleplaying games, probably because it gets very iffy very quickly once it can no longer be consumed in private.
>>98525532>Romantasy authorsSo basically something that has NOTHING to do with the original property at all. Also Paramount putting Master Cheeks sex scenes in the live action Halo didn't make it a huge success with women, soo...
>>98525549The Halo tv show flopped because it was shit, and obviously just some producers or whatever who wanted to do their own show but couldn't get funding without attaching it to a known IP. It had nothing to do with Halo. The point made is that there IS a gigantic untapped market of women, it's just that "put a woman in it, and make it lame and gay" isn't the strategy for getting them to spend on traditional games. I'd bet an RPG directed at women would do better if it was a solo thing where they get to play as a self-insert and all the "monsters" are soft and sensitive on the inside (but only for her) while also being wealthy and can be "defeated" by emotional connection. Taking warhammer and making fifty percent of the Bretonnian knights women will not do anything for the actual female audience. I'd bet they'd be far more interested in playing a peasant girl who is rescued by a dashing knight who takes her on an adventure to unlock her latent prophetess powers.
>>98525571D&D 5e already exists.
>>98525335The old world is just woke trash.
>>98525616Just because theater kids, discord trannies, and youtube attention-whores play the game this way doesn't mean that what the game was actually designed to be.
>>98525571> I'd bet an RPG directed at women would do better if it was a solo thing where they get to play as a self-insert and all the "monsters" are soft and sensitive on the inside (but only for her) while also being wealthy and can be "defeated" by emotional connectionWell, you’re not wrong about that being a “solo thing”, considering by that point women are being sold a hitachi wand with dice. Which I suppose would make it a success of sorts.
>>98525571women dont engage in fantasy the same way men do, rpgs will never work for them on a broad scale. journaling games already exist but women arent clawing each others eyes out to get their hands on them. women want to passively consume a story while drinking wine and relaxing on a patio. which is fine theres nothing wrong with that. these companies trying to appeal to them are just spinning their wheels, which is also fine let them burn money who gives a shit
>>98525737I call bullshit on this one. If women were only interested in engaging with fiction passively, they wouldn't be the primary creators of fanfiction and text RP.
>>98525743>fanfictionthose are "women" not women. there are always going to be outliers, ive played with random women in the past. but these were always strange individuals and are not common enough to pivot from the male market. the majority of women at tables are there at the request of a bf/husband and have no actual interest in the game
>>98525441Why would Tencent give a fuck about dei
>>98525532>it's just that the only fantasy/sci-fi places that has cracked the code on how to lure them in is romantasy authorsThis has always existed though. As soon as women were writing retail books, they were writing about lusty vampire pirate CEOs abducting them to their chateaus. There's nothing new about it, it was never untapped.What you do occasionally get is stuff like tokusatsu realizing women will watch dramas about cute guys, so you can just take power rangers and make all the guys male models and women will watch it too now. Noticeably, this is the exact fucking opposite approach that these things usually take. They think women all want to watch other middling women. They do not.
>>98525808>it was never untappedWhat I meant was that this market exists (as proven by the massive demand for written fantasy smut) but is untapped in the traditional gaming space, as in the bean counters that want number go up see a bunch of women spending money on not their product, and orders the game designers to get those women to spend money on their product instead of spending it on novels or shoes or whatever. Game designers, in a misguided attempt to get these women to come spend money on /tg/ stuff, put women on the covers of their products. It won't work, obviously, because as you say, women are more interested in hot men than ugly women.
>>98525616World of Darkness would have been a better example, but that's more historical now
>>98525532Basically, if they wanted the woman market, they'd make more Beastmen snd Skaven. Or in the case of 40K, Tyranids.
>>98525335The best part of Bretonnia is the realization that there ARE no actual male knights, and EVERY knight is actually a crossdressing woman who thinks that she's the only one out there. The Lady of the Lake has been playing a millennia long joke on Bretonnia.
>>98525617Warhammer has always woke trash and if you ever played or enjoyed it then you're part of the problem.
>>98525617Yep. Just stick with Warhammer Fantasy. In an ironic way age of shitmar and end times having the setting blown up was lucky because the dick snipped commies in GW separated warhammer from wokehammer
>>98525335You know what is the problem, honestly? That big settings with a lot of traction in RPGs are decades-old. People would simply ignore new games with too much women (or too much chud-coded, whatever) for they tatstes if they were new. But the situation is that sellable settings are old, need some revamping at least according to marketing, and this rustles the old-timers' jimmies.>>98525755I don't think I've ever played with a woman that was there because of her BF, funnily enough. Actually may have been the reverse.
>>98528768Monstrous Regiment was not a warhammer novel, but it is a hilarious concept for a campaign.
>>98525344fpbp>>98525409what's funny is that chicks are into knight stuff. LARPing and living history and even some fighting in armor. but women will NEVER be sufficiently into miniatures wargames and RPGs beyond token content creators, and you're right that the watering down of settings for the sake of phantom female customers is bad.
>>98529439Let's not pretend women are common in HEMA. You'll find a lot more in TTRPGs.
>>98525838>untapped in the traditional gaming spaceIs not untapped there either. Woman already have their particular toys in form of dolls, makeup, and RPGs have always been inclusive of both sexes.
>>98529482Women in HEMA/historical reenacting genuinely want to be there because they enjoy the subject matter and activities. Women into tabletop gaming are there because being a nerd has been commodified and their interest ends at the social asped.
>>98525335Because one of the most important cultural mandates underpinning the entirety of the modern west is that the genders are equal.It's a lie, a complete lie. But it underpins so much of the modern world's laws, practices, and expected standards now that it must be maintained no matter what.That's why Knights MUST include women.Military units of any kind MUST include women.A 50:50 split if not more, if possible.Because you MUST maintain the delusion that men and women are exactly alike and equally capable at everything.If you don't incluuuuuuuuude women in your warriors, it begs the question why not? And what are you going to say? The truth? That women are biologically awful at fighting?That's a badwrongtruth that's not allowed in the 21st century, because if we're allowed to admit that women are physically incapable, then it opens the door to alllll kinds of questions like>so why are they allowed to be cops?>so why are they in the military at all?>so why should they earn the same money as me at a physical job?>so why is their vote worth the same as mine?It's a big house of cards that only stays up so long as no aspect is ever allowed to be questioned.Men and women are exactly the same and just as capable at everything and must be treated the same at all times, so sayeth the uniparty (except where women benefit, those can stay because the uniparty loves their female vote, notice how the ONLY time western governments have ever gone against progressivism is to help women against trannies threatening their spaces?).
>>98529719Anon, who is the last woman you talked to, and when?
>>98525409>>98525532>>98529439They could probably get some females more interested in atleast buying the minis and painting if they made the faces a bit less butt-fucking-ugly. All female mini faces look like they've been hit with shovel. Races that some females might adore, like skinks, are purposefully made by GW to be more wide-nostril uglier and snarly than their art or even their TW or Bloodbowl counterparts. Even fujoshi who like the novels and primarchs like Fulgrim have to deal with the ugliest interpretations of those characters. I'm sure some of these choices alienate Japanese modelers too.Its not like they need to make Warhammer full of handsome or pretty characters. Its just the few chances they could do that, they decide to bring out the ugly stick and start beating the shit out of the design for no discernible reason. I think GW just has an uggo fetish.
>>98529719Its because people don't take the stories in games and franchises like Warhammer seriously. People subconsciously see these as marketable toys for adults, not as works of art.ASOIAF/GOT has a huge number of female readers and watchers of the TV show. There's also no females in the Nights Watch (except for the one who snuck in and was literally raped to death). Ever wonder why no one is demanding that GRRM shoehorn females into the Nights Watch? Because people actually take that setting and its stories (atleast the books) seriously.
>>98525335why is the art always so fucking foulon a personal level it's garbage that doesn't understand any of the appeal of fantasy but on a technical level it's even worse, what the actual fuck is this rancid composition
>>98525335After 2011 white males were boxed out of hiring in many sectors so even if 75% of applicants were white males, only 15% of hires were white males.While not as aggressive in the UK, due to a higher overall proportion of white people and white people in college, the impact of 95% of applicants being white males but only 30% of hires coupled with a corporate mandate towards DEI beginning in 2015, this lead to GW writers becoming gay and retarded.
>>98529719But that is very clearly untrue. Women are superior, not equal. Literally every skill that matters in a modern society, socialization, listening, reading, analytics, working in groups, is better performed by women rather than men. The two genders are not equal in the slightest. Men are worse at everything that matters except various forms of sportsball and killing other people.
>>98529857If women are so great how come 90% of rape is done by men?
>>98529864They don't need it anon, they can have sex whenever they like
>>98529873Only if the man agrees. Face it, women suck at rape.
>>98529873This. We just choose not to have it with "people" like >>98529864.You aren't selected for, anon. Go die somewhere, and end your inferior genes. Your lineage doesn't deserve to continue, and women know this. You're a genetic dead end, and good riddance.
>>98529885That's the trick tough, men almost always DO agree!
>>98529898Now apply that to any job that requires physical labor or competence
>>98525335Because the entire entertainment industry is full of people whose only goal is to be progressive. no amount of whining about lore is going to change them.
>its another thread getting angry at womenbut why?
>>98529887
The average Brettonian woman btw, in case anyone plans to play one in the new Old World RPG
>>98529719>>so why are they allowed to be cops?>>so why are they in the military at all?>>so why should they earn the same money as me at a physical job?>>so why is their vote worth the same as mine?one out of this are not like the others , one out of this are not like others,paragaguparimimigengo I am so cool I will never surrender I am a defender.
>>98529864>If women are so great how come 90% of rape is done by men?
>>98525335>It's a bit like the whole Shieldmaidens thing and how that's evolved in "Viking" circles.I'm both afraid and curious
>>98525532You fell for the subversive's marketing pitch
>>98525344FPBP. The slippery slope is not a fallacy.
>>98529719Anon you clearly don't understand any of the underlying ideological framework and it shows
>>98530817Well how exactly do you prevent it? I can't think of any way aside from mass killings of influencers and executives. Surely you aren't saying that we should start shooting up gaming company HQs, right?Right?
>>98530713He's not talking about anything sexy. They found evidence of a 'Viking' shield maiden (one) and the culture kind of ran with that and began using it as evidence of an egalitarian military in 'Viking' culture.It's obviously bollocks and not following any historical standard to latch onto a single source/piece of evidence - but it fit a narrative.
People can say what they want about TWW and their money grabbing policies but it's the only media that respects the lore, even more than the original company.>not a single black dude>no made up characters aside from daniel the demon lord>pre existing female characters, no new ones being created for the sake of diversity quotasIt'll all be over once TW40k and Medieval come out, but at the moment it's my happy place
>>98530883Of course not. Mass shootings are mindless spasms of violence, they can create a generalised sense of fear but they aren't a useful tool for political change.What we should be doing is abducting influencers and executives individually and releasing horrifying snuff videos of their torture-murder with an explicit message that this is happening to them and will continue happening to their peers because of what they've done to our hobby. Unfortunately a simple Mangione Strategy won't work for us since normies don't view gaming corpos as evil on the same level as healthcare corpos, so instead of>someone might randomly shoot you on the street and people will actually side with the killerwe have to go with>you've pissed off your audience to such an extent that some of them are willing to turn into monsters to make you suffer, maybe it's time to stop pander-hiring and go back to making product for the existing audience...
>>98530958TWW "respects" 8th edition and the End Times. If that's your "happy place" you're a poofter.
>>98525409It's doubly retarded because that female fanbase, however large it is... think the notion of women being an exception or having to pretend to be men is actually cool as hell, because it lets them fulfil a fantasy (whether they admit they have it or not) of the guys around them in their male hobby being shocked by their gender and respectful of their abilities, or at least being able to prove their doubters wrong.I ran L5R for a team that was majority female and, a little to my shock, every single one of them came with a female character that had a reason for their circumstance (a widow and regent for her estate, disguised-as-a-man, and had special powers so their clan didn't really have the luxury of choice). Bearing in mind that Rokugan, as-written, allows for lady samurai perfectly fine. Of their own volition, they chose to have ladyknights as the exception, even if they were all exceptional, and expected that to play a role in the story. Because the whole point of the ladyknight is that she's exceptional, and the women here to blat things with swords in plate armour WANT that fantasy.For all the market research companies invest into, they don't seem to know what their target audience actually WANTS. Are focus groups literally just random-whos plucked off the street who'd never engage with the thing in question in the first place?
>>98528776>Revisionism https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Pygmies>Pygmies, also called "Jungle Halflings" by Imperial explorers, are the smallest of all Human ethnicities, and the only dark-skinned inhabitants of the continent of Lustria.[6c][3b][10a][11a]>Some Old Worlder scholars deny that the Pygmies are Human at all, whilst others refer to them as Lesser Men or Black Halflings.
>>98530952It's even worse than that.They found a grave at Birka which contained a female body, high-status items and gifts, and weapons.They immediately jumped to the conclusion that this was definitely a "woman warrior", despite zero signs of combat injury on the bones, and the fact swords were often given as gifts to people of high status.As (female) expert on Norse women, Judith Jesch, says, proclaiming the corpse as a woman warrior was premature.https://oldnorse.org/portfolio/viking-warrior-women-judith-jesch-an-expert-in-viking-studies-examines-the-latest-evidence/amp/Unfortunately thanks to this terrible historical work on a single grave, the Internet at large is now convinced all Viking women were warriors.
>>98531460It's bizarre because the Vikings are most often contrasted with the Anglo-Saxons due to the Great Heathen Army, and the Anglo-Saxons are the ones who actually have women in prominent positions. They had gender-equal succession among the peasantry in some of their kingdoms (as we can tell from court records), they had a pair of female queens ruling in their own rights in that era (including leading armies and co-ordinating war efforts), they're even the source of some of those women-with-grave goods. In a religious world, the Anglo-Saxons were the ones who had prominent women in their history and co-ed monastaries.Meanwhile, the Norse were sexist even to the more patriarchal of the Anglo-Saxons on basically every point. Hell, the Anglo-Saxons were even the ones wearing tattoos, something the Vikings notably didn't do but which pop culture portrays as inverted. So why do they get all the warrior women?And it's TRIPLY retarded because if you want semi-normalised warrior women you have Scythia and the Sengoku Jidai for that. History is so much fucking cooler than pop culture gives it credit for, even if you're a quivering pussy of a snowflake leftist who loves girlbosses like me, and it makes me want to claw my fucking eyes out.
>>98525440>my fetish is GW lore getting ruinedYou must be cooming nonstop.
>>98531339I'd rather have the end times than women knights dressed as men
>>98525335the idea of an entire army of women pretending to men because each one thinks she's the only woman would be pretty funny, basically a monty python skit
>>98528768damn beat me to it
>>98529947>I dont like my lore or history being changed to reflect current post-modern values>wtf you hate women?? have sex brountil you stop reframing the question in your heads to fit the picture of BAD GUY that you currently accept, discourse is completely pointless.
>>98532801 That's just the plot of a terry prattach book
Ironic considering that Bretonian knights have peasant slaves living in squalor and pig feces forced to farm. I guess women can be slave owners too, thanks GW.
>>98525773>why would a Chinese company care about pushing propaganda to subvert western societyGee I wonder
>>98532920Chinamen love marvel movies, why would they push DEI into it?
>>98525409it's not for women, it's for men who like sexy lady knights. safe horny basically
>>98532865>ruinedyou know this lore is from like 20 years ago? the book it's from came up with most of the bretonnia lore people actually like
>>98534603I guess Monstrous Regiment is over 20 years old now, but I'm not sure that would be considered a Brettonian lore book.
>>98534850i replied to the wrong post like an absolute sperg
>>98525344FPBP. Their is a reason why they take any outliner then try to make it the norm then sperg out by saying it's fantasy/fiction while as the same time calling you a nazi if you have a nazi faction in the game.
>>98529789Some yes, some no. The way the faces are painted can change how they look greatly; it's just that the 'Eavy Metal team's methods are terrible for faces.
>>98531460that remind me of the whole Cheddar man thing and the beachy head woman
>>98531336My biggest issue with Mangione is he stopped at 1. Once there's a manhunt you're going to get caught eventually, so don't run, hunt.
>>98529789>like skinks, are purposefully made by GW to be more wide-nostril uglier and snarly than their art or even their TW or Bloodbowl counterpartsAnon, the skink kit is 24 years old. Of course it looks like shit.
>>98535737The skink kit looks fine. Its mostly OK. But the new skink sculpts that are across various releases are purposefully ugglified for no reason I can understand.
>>98535915Damn, it looks hideous. Like whoever designed it couldn't decide between a lizard, a dog and a human face. Which kit is that from?
>>98535119I thought chedderman turned out to be a big hoax where they kept tanning them until they looked arabic
>>98525409But why lean down so heavily on Bretonnia??? It makes no fucking sense, especially for a place which the lore explicitly states is highly oppressive to ita low castr where the majority of people live squalid and petty lives, where its only second to Sylvania in how many mutant freaks come crawling oit of the place. They could have extended on the Elves.I don't think the meme of "destroying anything male" isn't just a meme. Its just unacceptable they have anything even if its nefarious.
>>98538224It is because like most feminists they have penis envy over toxic masculinity. It's why all girl bosses act like men but hyper exaggerated. Since Sisters of Sigmar are already a thing, the next big thing is Knights and Grail Knights.
>>98525335Where was it said?It was said they were rare and had to hid the fact they were female until they became sufficiently famous to reveal themselves.I mean, if Repanse showed people that women also could be good at being knights, then why not allow those few that appear once per generation to be knights? Not every woman is knight material, but the extreme few do have the capabilities to become knights.This is not like the real world. Not everything that is based off something needs to be perfect 1:1 as long as it's not something ridiculous.In fact, Repanse is based of Joan d'Arc. But while Joan was a standard bearer and not a fighter, Repanse is a fullblown fighter.
>>98525335>there might have been one or two female Bretonnian Knights, probably hidden as malesIt was like 1 in 10 dipshit.
>>98539494More like 1 and just one because of Joan of Arc and it still feels like something new.
>>98529873They can only have whenever they like with poor men.
>>98525335I was going to joke around and say I'd be fine with female Bretonnian knights if they were all designed for the male gaze instead of the male gays but had to stop when I realized no, I wouldn't actually. I'd rather keep that to some other property and not Warhammer.
>>98525335>Not like being sexist or anythingWhy not?
>>98525335Would've looked more appropriate with a bob cut instead of whatever that side comb over is called
>>98525335Just be sexist; it worked for the entire feminist movement.They just called it "Anti-Sexism".Much like how certain other groups call their racism "Anti-Racism".Women can't be knights.That's what makes a woman knight exceptional and interesting.It implies they are an exceptional woman.Making female knights just "a thing" actually makes them boring, and raises more questions than it answers; like who's supposed to be giving birth to all these male knights who are dying like flies.But of course, feminerks don't actually have any respect for the absolutely vital roles women play in "traditional" societies.Hence why feminism coincides with a catastrophic drop in birth rate, and a general cultural malaise as men and women grow to view each other as rivals, rather than two halves of the same whole.
>>98528776>we were always at war with Eurasia
>>98538247>It's why all girl bosses act like men but hyper exaggeratedThat happens with troons too. F*minists are literally transvestites.
>>98525335>Not like being sexist or anythingAre you incapable of observing the patently obvious differences between the sexes, or are you virtue signalling in anticipation of seething from sex pests/male feminists?
>>98530713>>98530952>>98531460>shield maidensModern scholars are a plague upon learning. Even the valkyries are flanderized beyond recognition. In the primary sources, only one is described as armoured (sleeping in mail, which is cut off of her with a sword, so that's probably not meant to be taken at face value), and a few others are referenced as carrying spears (which they are described to use to lean upon). Hardly the stuff of elite divine warfighting women.For the tomboy fetishists, we actually have the amazons, described in the sources as "mannish" (antianeirai), as well as what the quivering pussy mentions here >>98531491
>>98525344Fippybippy
>>98536531its from the Starblood Stalkers kit, but all of the recent Skinks look distinctly more ape-like. I'd gladly take the 24 year old look
>>98525532Found the c-suite.
>>98525335>Not like being sexistExcusing yourself like this is useless. Everything is racist and the mob will tear you apart regardless. You're a sexist, own it and be proud for they will call you a sexist but never a liar.
>>98534963>you have to know every single make-up tricks to make its face pretty.She'll never be a woman and you know it.
