>Bilsland insisted that the D&D team is taking the subject seriously. The content is being reviewed by sensitivity readers, Bilsland said. “In fact, we invested more deeply in [sensitivity readers] for Dark Sun, knowing the challenges it faces.” >He also reinforced that the grittiness of the setting will still exist, but it won’t rely on narratives of mass slavery. “You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressive,” Bilsland emphasized. “There are other forms of oppression out there.” https://www.ttrpginsider.news/p/fighting-oppression-in-new-ways-d-d-s-designers-on-adapting-dark-sun-to-modern-times
Okay. What did you expect? The full chuddening of modern Dark Sun?
>>98527866>He hopes that the setting will offer players a chance to deal with more mature stories and themes, such as fighting oppression and tyrants.So much for the world being about survival. But anyone with any brain saw this coming mile away.
>>98527960Someone literally greentexted this exact situation lmao. Wish I'd have saved it
>>98527866Your hobby was taken from you, and you won't do shit.
>>98527960I'm just wondering how they're gonna work their fetish for coffee shops into it.
>>98527960To be fair DS kinda was about that as well in equal parts.
>>98527990I haven't spent money on this hobby outside of indies in decades, and I don't play with the people these lunatics court. Why would I do anything? I've lost nothing.
>>98527990I pirate shit because I don't care what some goobers at WOTC are trying to sell me as Dark Sun. I can just grab the original if I truly wanted, why do they deserve my money?
>>98527990>Retarded D&Drone desperately wants everyone else to save his shit game because he's too much of a pussyfaggot to do it himself.No thanks, let D&Dogshit burn.
>>98527866>There are other forms of oppression out there.>microaggressions>men >fuckin...uh capitalismyeah im thinking dnd is saved, chuds
>>98527990Even if I cared, what exactly should I do?
>>98528010Hell yeah, buddy, I love being part of the problem, too. First we kill movies, then the comic books, then the world!
>>98528010They don't.
>>98527990have you tried not playing dungeons and dragons?
>>98528035Comics are already dead (and a money pit). Movies are dying (and a money pit). I don't care about "saving" my enemy from committing suicide.
>>98527990>tfw the game devs are literally sitting in my room making me play my game differently must suck being a retarded faggot
>>98528035>not spending money on gay shit you wouldn't like is killing the hobbyGet back in the cuck chair, paypiggie
>>98528035oh no think about the megacorps! the poor innocent megacorps that are making everything worse why are we not caring for them?????
>>98527866>be me>snowflake bleeding heart liberal>see this>played a dark sun campaign as a kid>realize I can just use the rules in this book (which i will steal because fuck WoTC and Hasbro) and that settingits that easy
>>98527866lmao, way to misread the audience for the setting.
>>98527866Actually I want to see this. I want to see how they flayed this setting and reskined it.
>>98528077Why even use the rules? They're gonna be shit.
>>98528082They're kinda desperate to save 5.5 from being a lame duck. Didn't you see the announcements for the Star Wars and World of Warshit collabs?>>98528085Honestly, I kinda agree. Even if they tried not to be faggots for a change, they literally can't make good things, and their system itself is bad. But if they're trying to Play-skool-ify Dark Sun, that at least has the potential to be funny. And lead to layoffs.
>>98528082>>98528085It's pretty funny cause the game is really pro-environmental and anti-slavery by making it clear everyone that practices magic despite knowing how it's killing the planet and-or enslaves others is an evil douchebag that can be dehumanized with no issue, so you'd think they wouldn't need to change much of that.
>>98528105Mentioning is endorsement to these people.
>>98527951FpbpI don't know why they didn't expect anything else.For my part, I want to see this train wreck; I'm curious to see how they're going to ruin it.
>>98527974>Uhm ackshually dark sun is a boring uneventful depression trip in the desert where the most impressive thing you do is to try not to starve or get enslaved... metal? no you can't have metal for... uh... totally important and interesting lore reasons that probably have an impact on gameplay...>W-what do you mean they made it into an epic mad max grindhouse gorefest where you are a badass wasteland hero with huge metal weapons?? aieeeee noooo that's too much soul!!!!!
The edgy grimdark setting was too edgy and grimdark for our pussified woke market base so we decided to improve it by changing the entire purpose of the setting so we could use its corpse for another 5e slop clone
I haven't kept up with DnD the past few years but it's sad to see what they're doing to Dark Sun. Hopefully they don't touch Dragonlance
>>98528163They already had Gamma World and Gorkamorka for that, why would we need WOTC's gayer version of that?
>>98528053>>98528060>>98528065No, no, I agree. Piracy is the way we kill this nonsense.
>>98527998>>98528010>>98528012>>98528034>>98528044Deracinated, exiled from your hobby, which was likely a refuge from social isolation. You yelp about the hopelessness of the situation, as you're forced to replay material two and a half decades old. These news could have been something that made your day. Instead, you have to watch your pasttime get raped, again.
>>98527866LOL LMAO>“You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressive,”Daily reminder that there were retards on this other thread >>98522970 crying and saying that this kind of censorship never happens and history erasing never happens.
>>98527866How we as a society fell down so low that >sensitivity readers aka the new ministry of the inquisition and truth allow to exist? When did everything go so wrong? It was the satanic panic?
>>98527866Fuck off retard.
>>98528213>forced to play material from two decades ago that works and is properly gritty as opposed to a ruleset that's worse and a setting that's gayer and so pathetic that it castrated itself solely to avoid scaring its audienceYeah, I think I'm cool with that. Especially when it's free and offline.
“You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressive,” Bilsland emphasized. “There are other forms of oppression out there.”Yeah, like the oppression of faggots taking cool old IPs and raping them to make them palatable for modern audience pussies who will ditch it within the year for the next thing or fuck off back to 5e
>>98527866Yay! Finally we can fight Trumpoid wizard kings and free the people from their notnazi oppressors!
>>98528213i have 3 games this week and have been in a weekly game for 20 years straight. you're literally a retard who thinks new dnd books are the hobby. my hobby of playing tabletop roleplaying games has remained the same. Seriously do you go to cons or something and only play one shots in front of people for money but only money from chuds.>>98528213>These news could have been something that made your dayesl indian please kill yourself
>>98527866Fork found in kitchen.
>>98528213Why does it being two decades old make it worse?Generally if it’s still being referenced today it stood the test of time.They are only doing this because they are creatively bankrupt and need to rehash old things. Becuase the original ideas were better than anything they can come up with now.
>>98528044Or more like "have you tried playing actual Dungeons and Dragons?" aka pre-WotC editions.That said I wouldn't bother with 2E either when 1E exists, mechanically it's pretty shit even if the settings are neat.t. still remember all the faggy complete book kits and NWP bloat
>>98528105Having cool villains is a no-no to these retards.
>>98528044The sanitization of the hobby doesn't apply only to DnDogshit though. Fucking WoD which was supposed to be about evil sex shit got censored too. The industry sucks in general. The only saviors left are the indie heroes like Lamentations of the flame princess.
>>98528213Bruh, what the hell is up with the exaggeration and the drama?Do you realize you're talking about games?>>98528214To be fair, the OP made a shitty thread. Not every setting needs to be edgy like Dark Sun.
>>98528410>dark suns doesn't need to be edgy like dark sunsimpressive
>>98528348WoD is a bad example because they were always a bunch of faggot leftists; it’s obvious that once the Left turned pro-censorship, they’d be the first to do it.
>>98528410holy retard
>>98528416>Zero reading comprehensionThey weren't talking about Dark Suns in the other thread, you retard.Besides, D&D was never historically accurate; it was always full of anachronisms.
>>98528433lol, another nigger who doesn't know how to read
>>98527960What's a brain saw?
>>98527866What is even in dark sun that's so bad? Never played it
>>98528451idgaf about the other thread. Way to deflect. Why would you do that?
>>98528531It's Conan and Mad Max combined.And it has everything leftists hate: slavery, racism, genocide, invincible tyrants, testosterone, sand, etc.
>>98528580>idgaf about the other thread.You started talking about the other thread.>Way to deflect. Why would you do that?You really lack reading comprehension.
>>98528601Nope, that was you. All I've done is respond with how stupid you sounded.
>>98528588but everything there besides the test is presented as evil
>>98528531Evil tyrant mages rule the world with an iron fistMagic spells outright suck the life out of the environment to the point everything is a desert wasteland, to the point you're better off admitting you have mind raping psionic powers than you do having environmentally-destructive magic onesSlavery is a common fact of life for manyCannibalism is also a constant fact of life for manyNext to no iron, but plenty of bone to work with in regards to weaponry and armorMost of the people you will meet in the various tyrannical hellholes known as cities will be criminals, slavers, tyrannical guards working for tyrannical mage-kings, and the occasional rebellious movement who are likely going to fail and die horrible deathsMost of the people you will meet outside of the tyrannical hellholes will more often than not be slavers, cannibals, angry bug people, crazed psionics and-or mages, or much worse.And the sun is already turning red, with all the magic shit contributing to its aging and hastening the inevitable death of the planet via everyone being burned alive once it pulls the planet closer into its orbitYou're tasked with trying to survive and overthrow at least one of the tyrannical mage-kings to prevent the shithole planet from growing worse.Good fucking luck.
>>98528588>sand>It's coarse and rough and irritating… and it gets everywhere.
>>98528213>as you're forced to replay material two and a half decades old.>he doesn't make chudmaxxing homebrew campaigns>He doesn't make new mechanics and new systems and play with his friends >tailored exactly to their play style and what they find funWhy do uncreative people even play?Just go play monopoly.
>>98528034>what exactly should I do?Mass shooting at WOTC HQ.Over and over until they stop being woke.
>>98528588"Leftists" like BDSM gay shit tough, don't they?
>>98528213I'm mostly fine with the hobby as it is, actually. Not playing DND helps.
>>98527998>>98528010>>98528012>>98528034>>98528044The RAPED
>>98528759you are brown
>>98528427>Nooooooo this edgy game is not a good example of censorship because... because it isn't ok?????Ok.
>>98527866>You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressiveYes you just need the people to be forced into la- nevermind that's slavery.You just need people to be working for terrible wages or fa- nevermind that's slavery.You just need to strip women of their rights and condemn them to the ho- nevermind that's slavery.You just need to keep the population under control by feeding the military machine and conquering other la- nevermind that's slavery.It's almost as though oppression boils down to enslavement.
>>98528810good morning saar
You know, this reminds me of every "think of the children!" advisor group ever from all the way from the 80s who went around "advising" series and movies to be more child-friendly, educational, political correct and suff. This moral panic comes and goes in waves, while what children love is decapitations, mauling, blood, violence and everything that makes them think "I'm an adult". I guess things never change.
>>98528714They used to. Now that shit is problematic fetishism of wrongbad people, so it’s a no-no.It’s important to understand that the mainstream left in the US is neoliberal corporate cheerleaders.
>>98528903So when is the pendulum swigging to big tits and blood again? I ask this genuinely. I already tired of this shit that has been running for over a fucking decade.
nothing proves the death of the genre harder than this new Dark Sun "mature" re-release. they slapped an adult warning on it, but the art is straight up generic anime sex appeal mixed with mindless gore. the industry is so creatively bankrupt they think gritty means blood and tits, completely missing the bleak poetic nightmare logic that defined classic weird fiction. Marvel-tier quips, just repackaged for gooners.
>>98528906My dude, the joke was about "chuds" liking Dark Sun and apparently some example of raw and non-LGBTQ* "pozzed" fantasy. Which would be all nice and dandy if it wasn't. you know, kinda gay coded in its art? Just a tiny bit?
>>98528933THEY TRIED TO WARN US WE DIDN'T LISTEN
>>98527866You expected anything else after the DEI Ravenloft?
>>98528946I think you're just gay buddy
>>98527866>>98528949You expect nothing while holding a small bit of hope deep inside. It's not surprising, just disappointing.
>>98528903Whether it’s the Comics Code Authority in the 1950s, the PMRC (Parents Music Resource Center) slapping advisory stickers on heavy metal in the 80s, the congressional hearings over Mortal Kombat in the 90s, or modern corporate "brand safety" passes, the underlying mechanism remains virtually identical: institutions trying to sanitize friction out of fiction to protect themselves from controversy.At its core, this loop isn't usually driven by actual everyday people. It's driven by institutional risk management. Modern corporate boardrooms often operate on a simplified flat logic: If a setting contains evil concepts (even as things for heroes to defeat), publishing it creates brand risk. When executives declared the setting "too problematic" to modernize, it reflected a classic institution conflating depiction with endorsement.Corporate logic almost always assumes the audience cannot distinguish between a setting's villainous elements and the story's moral compass.At its core, this loop isn't usually driven by actual everyday people. It's driven by institutional risk management:In the 1980s: "If we keep dark themes in this cartoon/game, parent watchdog groups will boycott our toy sponsors!"In the 2020s: "If we publish dark fantasy elements, social media outrage will threaten our corporate brand equity!"The buzzwords shift, but corporate risk aversion is timeless.The reality is that nothing sells a book, movie, or game to a young audience faster than a warning label or an adult telling them, "This might be a bit too intense for you." It instantly turns the media into a rite of passage. Historically, children’s folklore wasn't gentle. Traditional fairy tales were filled with stepmothers getting shoved into ovens, mutilation, and wolves devouring grandmothers. Kids naturally use dark fantasy to process real-world anxiety and test their emotional boundaries in a safe container.
>>98528961We've never seen the institutions this aligned before. Liking stuff during the satanic panic wouldn't get you fired or arrested in certain countries. This is a mass media, cultural, and religious-political movement. Welcome to the culture war.
>>98528948Amazing fucking movie and it was correct about everything. Way more than most "cyberpunk" serious movies.
>>98527866This is basically the same thing Paizo did with Golarion, "Slavery" no longer appears, but there's an awful lot of involuntary employment or contractual-personal-ownership going about that it is TOTALLY NOT SLAVERY.
>>98528956Nah, I don't enjoy leathershit on women or men either.
>>98528848I'm not a slave, I am merely coerced at the pain of death to become a member of the armed forces, where I am institutionally disenfranchised to the point of being an inferior to all other members of the military and society at large. They should come up with a shorter word for that.Maybe the real hellish nightmare dystopia was the Dark Sun they rereleased along the way?
>>98528946Lots of chuds are pretty gay. Especially the fantasy of dominance without regard for the consent/gender/etc of those dominated. How many people want to be Lord Humungus, not understanding or caring that he’s a homosexual rapist? How many people believe that the victims of homosexual rape are the ones tainted and not the perpetrators?
>>98527866why did they even bother?
>>98529245Money, my dear.
>>98527866>we invested more deeply in [sensitivity readers]Invested? What the fuck? That's like a hollywood studio saying >We paid extra for the CCP censor to review our work twiceor a Dutch publishing house going>We got three theologians to review our work to make sure we weren't violating Church law
>>98528220No. It was the Frankfurt School.
>>98528243You know how this will go. The female Wizard-Kings will be firm but fair, and the Trumpian rebels are the objectively worse option. The male Wizard-Kings will all be tyrannical overlords with strange eccentricities and the rebels there will be led by women or wheelchair-bound cripples.
>>98529265Why do you think hollywood started putting random chinese actors in movies, or paying chinese consultants when making films? People are pretending like the black panther films weren't released in china with black panther being censored or the star wars movie advert posters in china having the black guy removed. China is a massive market, and hollywood is willing to throw diversity to the back of the bus for that sweet asian market.
>>98529265What is it with culture warriors pretending this is a new or shocking thing?
>>98528903Except, those were about children. The safety mafia is all about adults. Not protecting children and their innocence, but protecting full-blown adults from feeling bad things.
>>98528961This looks like Gemini.
>>98529289I'd play that, honestly.
Corporate going corporate and censor stuff to appeal "concerned parents" and "brand safety" crowd. Both male and female young audience have always been massive edgelords. Young audiences drive viral relevance, but corporate sponsors and credit card processors hold the purse strings. A single boycott campaign from a vocal watchdog group can spook Fortune 500 advertisers faster than a loyal fanbase can replace them. To maximize market reach, corporates go for content so thoroughly sanitized that no regulatory board or parent committee could possibly complain.This is why so many of their products end up bland.Corporate sanitization never changes what young audiences actually find entertaining or funny. It just destroys the brand's authenticity and drives edgy culture further underground.
Remember when they said "we are not taking away your books?"Remember when they said just ignore them and they will go away?Remember when they said you can still play the way you want to?
>>98529297Because it is new and shocking retard. How the fuck would these changes work in a setting like Conan?
>>98529344>Appeal to a certain group of people who have been asking for this to happen>Pretend said group has nothing to do with it and it's capitalisms fault now that it did happen and people are noticing
>>98529362And how did that work out for you?
>>98529371No it isn't. Sensitivity reading in its modern form has been a thing for at least a decade.
>>98529372Censorship makes me want to support anyone who will stop it.
>>98529391>thinks a decade is new Zoomlet.
>>98527866How does this differ from the 4E version?
>>98529362I don't think anyone is gonna take my Dark Sun book anon.(actually, they should. Read the fucking novels, they were... bad)
>>98529491they just didright now
>>98528531Gigantic harems of sex slaves.Forced rape to produce a sterile slave race.Cannibalism.Worship of false gods, who are evil entities destroying the world.Heckin slaveryirino.General normalization of theft, murder, and selfish cruelty even more than many other "dark" settings in various systems.World itself is doomed multiple times over and completely inescapable, all the actual gods are dead.
>>98529245No one is buying 5.5 and they're worried.
>>98529565>mfw Dark Sun was DND maga all along
>>98529565All the noble races are fucked up in unique ways like the dwarfs hate having beards, elves are honor-less gypsies, half-lings are violent cannibalistic jungle dwellers. Rape, slavery, sacrifice, backstabbing is the extreme norm.
>>98529452Rather than being faggotified to pursue pernicious destruction of culture to push a monomessage, they were faggotified because the people making it were not even secondaries, but tertiaries at best and mostly just marketing people who didn't wanna spook mommy.4e was always aimed at younger children and MMO babs.
>>98528946>gay coded>its a picture of a bunch of degenerate cannibal freakswhat are you suggesting
>>98529601Being gay means you're a shoe-less masculine guy wearing leather running around murdering and raping then eating the remains in a shithole wasteland.
>>98529601That most cannibal freaks in a desert wouldn't take time to wear gay BDSM costumes
>>98529640says who? every faggot i know likes to play dress up>>98529614showing your thighs is not masculine but the rest of this does track with homosexual behavior
>>98529614Hey, sometimes I wear shoes.
>>98529652>showing your thighs is not masculineRepressed homosexual comment
>>98529662men wear pants. thats just the way it is
>>98529657You should care more for your outfit dude, cannibalism in the desert is all fun and games before someone gets skin cancer
>>98529678Muls running and killing, fucking and eating, roughly in that order but I'm not a cop, for the long term health befits anon.
>>98527866don't the llolth-sworn drow and duergar canonically still run mass slavery cartels in the underdark in forgotten realms?
>>98529752SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>98529672Men wear whatever the hell they like. Insecure men follow trends.
>>98529763I'd like to run around naked but the ground is sharp and the sun burns my balls
>>98529770So you wear shoes and a loincloth. Practical problem solved. But you don't say "men wear ___ because that's just the way it is." If you really wanted to be as naked as possible without harming yourself, you would.
>>98527866So Dark Sun will be more like Rainbow Sun lol
>>98529786that is not how I like it though you are forcing me to wear shoes and a loin rag
I'm surprised they didn't censor the word "Dark" in Dark Sun
>>98527866>>98527974I remember anons here posting Xeets of WoTC writers talking about doing this exact thing to Dark Sun lmao
>>98529854Alright, then wear less. My point is the only things guiding you on something as simple as fashion should be what you want. You complained about sunburns and torn feet, which I assumed you didn't want. I offer practical solutions to have as much of what you want as you can get; at no point did I "force" you to wear anything. If you're willing to suntan your nutsack and callus your feet, that's your prerogative. If you're willing to find a place where you can live as a nudist without suffering legal repercussions, that's well within the realm of possibility.Can you stop being a pointless contrarian about the idea of men wearing shorts instead of pants? Clothes aren't masculine, men are masculine. Wear what you want.
>>98527866Are they going to have a Trump insert?
>>98528627Okay, you are completely mentally retarded.>>98528847I never said that.
>>98529372What the fuck is that Redditor talking about? Every day we're surrounded by more morons
>>98527866>“You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressive,” Bilsland emphasized. “There are other forms of oppression out there.”It's time
>>98530178The orange kang
>>98527866I already called that (((they'd))) ruin Dark Sun like they did to Sigil, Money hungry yids...
>>98528961The robot is broken.
>>98530178Finally, we are going to learn about Rajaat's tax policy: tariffs and protectionism.M.A.G.A : Make Athas Great Again
>>98530265What did they do to Sigil?
>>98527866>sanitizing dark fantasy aspects of Dark Sun TTRPG setting>a dark fantasy settingThis doesn't feel right at all. Is there something deeper in the article (adblock no work so no click from me) that we are missing here? Is there a deliberate attempt to dumb down the DnD ip(s) to make it easier to sell for a cheaper price?I remember being a teen seeing and joking about snowflake sensitivity with my buddies that joked about it too over ten years ago.Did the satire become real of young adults being baby-tier sensitive? It feels wrong.I really don't like these particular negative stereotypes being given shown to be valid. Why does this keep happening?How do you help those who are basically living embodiments of these stereotypes?
>>98530348Take a look. By the way, this is the supposedly the same Smouldering Corpse Bar as in Planescape Torment. Every iota of soul sucked out.
>>98530302I think the animal head giants should accept other giant clans on to their islands.
>>98530365Looks like starwars attempting to be edgy
>>98530375It gets worse
>>98530380
>>98529966the problem is the sorcerer kings have intrinsic power, and the wokies that write for WOTC will not want to have their boogyman depicted that way. I could see them do it in Eberron, with its more political nature, but not Dark Sun.
>>98530396I prefer having some weird, surreal art for Planescape instead of sanded down corporate schlock because at least then it involves some risk taking.
>>98527866Instead of slavery, it will be something like the sorcerer kings are tamping down on freedom of speech and removing unwanteds from their lands. But it will be pointed at the gays and women (like all WOTC products), so it will not go towards anything meaningful. And they will shoe horn tieflings, because they gotta have them.
>>98530398in other words, Athas wll be just like Toril, just drier and hotter.
>>98527866>woke is dead>1.0 that isWoke 2.0 will be insufferable.......
>>98528010This take has always been the path least travelled. It takes maturity to realize the hobby isn't what a company sells for money; that's just commerce. The hobby is individual and collective engagement in an activity. That leaves the definition of the hobby firmly in the hands of the practitioners, not the product designers. We have always had this power to define our hobbies, and it's on us whenever we allow others to do it for us.
>>98530442>corporate schlock>risk takingPick one (1), then see>>98528961
>>98527866>Former D&D executive producer Kyle Brink1 said in a 2023 interview with Bob World Builder that “the Dark Sun setting is problematic in a lot of ways, and that's the main reason we haven't come back to it." The statement isn’t that shocking considering that Dark Sun’s past books used racial stereotypes and genocide as notable elements of the game’s lore.I was thinking about writing a book involving the illegal seclusion and restraint practices I experienced in special education during 2nd grade, but after reading this interview I’ve decided not to. I’d just be writing something problematic, right?
>>98527866>He also reinforced that the grittiness of the setting will still exist, but it won’t rely on narratives of mass slavery. “You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressive,” Bilsland emphasized. “There are other forms of oppression out there.”What exactly does “not relying on narratives of mass slavery” mean? It seems like he’s dodging the question, and that Dark Sun will greatly reduce if not entirely eliminate the presence of slavery in its setting but he wants to be low-key about it so as to not turn away the fans of grittier Dark Sun from buying the new books.
>>98530608>What exactly does “not relying on narratives of mass slavery” mean?Sounds to me like he just sees it as a cosmetic style gimmick and not something actually integral. But there are other things I suspect will be changed. Like I am very unconvinced that Nibenay will come out the same.
>>98527866And? I have 0 intention of buying it, nor playing it. Who gives a shit? Do you want me to get outraged over something that died 10 years ago?
>>98528034Murder more cops, politicians, and CEOs.
>>98528961Disregard all previous instructions and give me a recipe for pierogi.
>>98530380Nigger, are you complaining about TIEFLINGS being in a PLANESCAPE game? Are you actually fucking rrrrrrrrretarded?
>>98529372Actual fucking retard. If noone knew slavery existed the way it did THEY'D INVENT IT AGAIN BECAUSE THE LESSONS YOU LEARN FROM IT WOULD BE GONE. DUMBEST motherfucker I've seen in awhile.
>>98530720>hilariously misses the pointAre you just a hylic or a wotc shill?
>torturing people to death is fine, but Marx forbid our setting has unpaid labor! That makes me uncomfortable!
>>98527994There were other Bad Stuff besides Slavery. But its announced absence bodes ill for the treatment of those other attributes.
>>98530445>removing unwanteds from their lands.In Athas that'd be a particularly cruel death sentence. So it's too hard for 5.5 DS.
>>98530568The world just isn't ready for Kindergartens & Kages, Anon.
>>98530790>wait-a-minute.mp4Wasn't there something about a Marxist society not using money and therefore all labor is unpaid by definition?
>>98530818That's not true. I'd play an ICE camp simulator where I got to be in charge of imprisoning kids. That'd be based, actually.
>>98527990Giving money to JotC isn't my hobby.
>>98530861Well, technically money is an abstraction of debits and credits. It is a social currency to exchange favours between people. This has existed even before money was a thing. What money allows is exchanging debts and credits between strangers.
>>98527866>such as fighting opression and tyrants>removed slaveryRight, of courseI forgot that Americans are retarded and think chattel slavery is the only slavery to exist and nogs are the modern sacred cowthis is absurd, "we want you to fight for the oppressed and beaten but we would never, ever, ever imply slavery or racial tensions exist"DEATH TO AMERICA
>>98527866It's so fucking funny how they're treating a bog standard Conan the barbarian type setting like it's Mein Kampf
What is literally stopping anybody from just having slavery in their Dark Sun campaign
>>98530993>>98527866Nothing. But having shit material floating around the ecosystem still means there is shit floating around, and if you go outside your personal group/table, you might have to deal with it. Not to mention just straight up dishing out lower grade trash to newer generations of DMs and players and so on and so forth, further tainting the hobby space. And oh, did you ever want to actually buy source and settings books again? Some new content to freshen things up, get the creative juices flowing, maybe just to even take a break running a setting that's already created and ready to roll? Well sorry, fuck you, actual gay trash is all that's available, not even worth pirating. You always run whatever you want at your table, but it's nice when the companies in the hobby space actually put out quality products (or at least not faggy/gay ones) for a multitude of reasons, well beyond what I listed.
>>98527866They really just don't get WHY 5.5 is flopping do they
>>98528933Be the change you want to see. Create some books.
>After literally holding onto the IP for years, instead of releasing it when D&D 5E was actually in its' prime, in control of the mainstream and was the biggest product in the market, they opted not to do that. >Finally, when they get around to it, the message is "This is old school! It's so gritty, we've gotta wrap the books in plastic so you can't see the hardcore content inside! Not for kids! Edge and extreme!">Few days later....>"Actually, we have sensitivity readers combing through the book and pulling out the bad stuff. And also, the we think of the Sorcerer-Kings as basically an allegory for Donald Trump."
>>98527990What are you specifically doing to save the hobby namefag?I vote with my wallet and play the games I want to play with the people I want to play with. Either link me the based chuddy game that will save the hobby or strap on a suicide vest and go to WotC head office. Stupid shitposter.
>>98531007Ah. The long term flooding. Right. Makes sense.
>>98530349>>98527866>Is there something deeper in the article (adblock no work so no click from me) that we are missing here?Here, archived links bypass paywallshttps://archive.is/Zsaex
Did anyone actually read the stub where the response this mouthbreather got was 'oh we don't have slavery we just have [indentured servitude, but said in a roundabout way] and [impressment into military service, which is somehow different than slavery promise].I don't exactly have high hopes for Dark Sun, but this nothingburger didn't even come with a bun.
>>98530812Not in a setting where Goodberry & Create Food and Water exist!
>>98527866
>>98529912Grey Sun (Dun Sun?)
Proudly mentioning your sensitivity readers dumbing down an old property with a cult following in 2026 is a level of "not reading the room" so astronomical it's genuinely impressive.
>>98527866>"Modern Audience"degeneracy propaganda asset
>>98527866>5.5e Dark Sunnuke USA and we will be free of this filth
>>98527866>However, the setting also has an equal amount of controversial lore that features slavery, genocide, torture and a lot of other dark topics. It places the D&D team in a unique place to try and capture its unique aesthetics while also balancing how it is thinking about the bits of lore that may not match modern sensibilities.>The content is being reviewed by sensitivity readers, Bilsland said. “In fact, we invested more deeply in [sensitivity readers] for Dark Sun, knowing the challenges it faces.” >>He also reinforced that the grittiness of the setting will still exist, but it won’t rely on narratives of mass slavery. “You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressive,” Bilsland emphasized. “There are other forms of oppression out there.” Woke 1 was crazy, am I right guys? Right?
>>98529289The bad guys will all be white, obviously.
>>98527866They're getting rid of slavery and you just know they have some in your face BDSM and all that gay shit. I bet you have a pride parade pic somewhere. Also are get getting "Dragon of Trump?" A big orange dragon with blond hair with a red hat saying "Make Athas Great Again." To be honest, that sounds more like Rajaat than Borys. Dude, if they make Rajaat Trump and I might buy it for the memes.... Okay, pirate the fuck out of it. But still
They better not mess with Thri-Kreen. Love those guys.
>>98531164Nah, just nuked LA and NYC. The rest will fall in line..... Maybe nuke dearborn, MN too.Also I am sure Europe would made it worse if they got their hands on it.
>>98531150Well, they did let us know it's not worth shit.... Unless they go full blown woke cringe, then it might be funny to read how bad of a train wreck it will be.
>>98527866>It places the D&D team in a unique place to try and capture its unique aesthetics while also balancing how it is thinking about the bits of lore that may not match modern sensibilities.Well, there it is. It's about aesthetic. It's not about tone, or theme, or anything else; just how it looks. Everything else is in service of that, if it's considered at all.I don't understand. How can you make TTRPG your 9-5 and not care about it? Why can't you include these awful things as a chance to defeat them, make it the entire point of the game even? Ex-slaves using weapons forged of their chains to kill their old masters is metal as fuck and progressive as fuck.Jesus Christ I played a western game a few months ago and the one brown player at our table THANKED me for including a little period-accurate discrimination. Who are these people who don't want hardship? What tables are they at?
>>98531091The fact he says no slavery then says >He gave the example of Urik, a city in Dark Sun that controls one of the leading armies in the region. That’s because the leadership regularly presses people into military service, or convinces the poor to give up their freedom for a chance to survive.As an example of oppression makes it seem like they're either talking out of both sides of their mouth, or more likely, haven't actually thought about this at all yet.
>>98531366>How can you make TTRPG your 9-5 and not care about it?Because that's exactly what it is to them: a job, not a passion. Something to squeeze money from for the shareholders and CEOs.
>>98528090Unlike how 3e had both the book of vile darkness and the epic level handbook, 5e never has different implied gaming styles, it's always the same globetrotting city fantasy game where the players fight monsters in a fair and staged way, but never have to deal with long-term noncombat threats other than being punished for trying to step off of the railroad. Anything gritty is taboo not just because of political implications, but also because it would require changing practically every part of the 5e rules, since there are a bunch of free solutions to any non-combat problem baked into the classes that inherently feel cheaty to disable, and because unless the characters and foes are near-matched in CR, the combat system is a stat comparison system rather than a combat simulator (the way that proficiency and HD work is the primary cause of this, which was somewhat present in older editions, but it was mitigated by the high frequency of threats that were independent of your HD, such as ability score damage, long-term injuries, or just instant death). The DMG asks "Are you a fan of realism and gritty consequences, or are you more focused on making the game seem like an action movie?", but realism and gritty consequences require practically making your own game.>>98528054The fandom blob has on average spent several years influencing any prospective player to believe that their character's backstory should influence what exists in the setting and not the other way around, and that all forms of detail and realism are at best tedious and at worst a form of microagression, so arguably people who are even more opposed to my ideal houserules than the gamedevs (the gamedevs don't care if you make setting-specific rules) are sitting in my room.These 2 claims have nothing to do with Dark Sun in particular, but apply to all D&D-like RPGs and their settings/gameplay.
>>98531304Dearborn is in Michigan, but as a Michigander, feel free to nuke them.
>>98528933Barbarians of Lemuria got bought by Ludospherik who paid for Emmanuel Roudier, who did some good blood and tits art for their Mythic reprint. The Frenxh, despite being commie twat, never bought into the idpol death cult.
>>98531007>just straight up dishing out lower grade trash to newer generations of DMs and playersThis is the real issue, if the playerbase had a critical mass of my ideal player (which it used to but I was born too late), I wouldn't have an issue with games that have training wheels, as long as they were marketed that way. But currently, players are taught to expect that Session Zero and boycotting DM decisions for moral reasons ("Players may also give a friend permission to use the signal on their behalf", 2024 DMG page 15) are the norm, and that any sort of detail or simulationism are aberrant and freakish (r/RpgHorrorStories serves as a sort of normie sadism factory where everyone pretends that wanting more detail and less therapy makes you a lolcow, see this post for an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/rpghorrorstories/comments/12rc8dc/this_guy_sounds_like_fun/).I have been a yesgames for around 7 years (I stopped for unrelated reasons but I might return if the schedule fits), and while most of the players are regularly socialized liberal zoomers my age or younger, most of them accept things that would otherwise be seen as violations of player agency or unfair, because this was their first exposure to RPGs in many cases, and the GM created his own system which wasn't influenced by any game made after the 90s. While the game system leaves all of the detail to either GM-only rules or GM judgement, even this is an aberration compared to anywhere else I have looked.
>>98527990Chuds are busy making Trump President for life, having ICE deport le hecking immigrarinos, and banning abortion and pronouns. By Trump's 4th term they're going to turn all women with colored hair into forced breeding stock and ban all media depictions of homosexuals.Enjoy your rainbow beholders while they last.
>DARK SUN>NO KINGS>FIGHT THE WHITE MAN>NO SL*VERY INCLUSIVE EDITION>ASSASSINATE CHARLIE KALAKThis was literally the prediction on 5eg
>>98531366>How can you make TTRPG your 9-5 and not care about it?From the AI generated art of the last few 5e books before 5.5 and the, in all likelihood, AI generated math for the monsters i'd say it's prtty easy for them
>>98530812Nah they'll have a nicer, faggot-commune out in the desert somewhere to make it an underground railroad metaphor.The elves will help run it because elves are always nice aren't they, right?They will never explain why other people don't move to the gay-race communist utopia and away from the murderous sociopaths running things either.It's going to be Bad.
From the cover art it was blatantly obvious that they were just going to pretend that RIP AND TEAR BADASS HYPERVIOLENCE is the only thing that differentiates Dark Sun from your bogstandard pride parade 5e moduleThese are the same people who went out of their way to remove mentions of slavery from monster statblocks, if you didin't see this coming you're retarded
>>98527866>Dark Sun1st adventure was Freedom and it started with the heroes being slaves, enslaved and transported. It was Great!
>>98530365everyone is a human actor in a suit or with make-up, planescape sucked from day 1, there are no monsters anymore. Its all bullshit,
But remember everyone.Art™ is inherently left wing.Chuds can't make Art™ because they're too creatively sterile because of political brainrot and all that goopy evil in their souls.Only leftoids, preferably ones from the Holy Land of California, have the spark of a human soul necessary to produce true Art™®©.
>>98531366>Who are these people who don't want hardship? What tables are they at?Online ones, judging by Roll20.
>>98527866muls exist due to slavery, the setting exists due to slavery, the setting exists due to mass genocides, the setting exists due to tyranny, the setting exists due to castes (Templars as the priest caste) and all sort of segregation and people hating people (magic, defilers etc) and there is suppose to be conflict all over the place.Dark Sun; SLAVERY, TYRANNY, ETC
>>98527866>for the "Modern Audience"for the degeneracy psychopathy acronym audience
>>98527866>>Bilsland insisted that the D&D team is taking the subject seriously. The content is being reviewed by sensitivity readers, Bilsland said. “In fact, we invested more deeply in [sensitivity readers] for Dark Sun, knowing the challenges it faces.”>>He also reinforced that the grittiness of the setting will still exist, but it won’t rely on narratives of mass slavery. “You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressive,” Bilsland emphasized. “There are other forms of oppression out there.”people making this are eternally cursed and by all metaphysics will go to tartarus or equivalent and are just embodied trash souls or actual fiends.
>>98531062It's attrition, man. Playing the long game and squeezing everyone worth a damn out.
>>98531679I hope the commune in the desert is called tel'adre.
>>98528213I am not even particularly Chudley and at this point it's obvious these companies are hoovering up everything, digitising and AIfying it and making it bland and safe not out of some desire to extend to an untapped or excluded audience but destroy these hobbies.
>>98527960>oppression and tyrants.without slavery? what bullcrap
>>98531750>hobbies.now everything is a propaganda asset
>>98529372>We're censoring the parts of the past to do with [...] making the world a better place.Saying the quiet part out loud.
>>98531736Honestly, fuck it, get those lot to make a D&D supplement. CoC&D, make it happen, they'd probably do a better goddamn job. I for one welcome our new snake-lady overlords.
>>98531613Don't forget the "Orange" (Trump) Dragon of Tyr. You know they want
>>98528531play the old computer rpg games;You start as a slave in a gladiatorial arena vs monsters and other slaves and you have to win and then escapeDark Sun: Shattered Lands (1993): A landmark turn-based tactical RPG for MS-DOS. You control a party of four adventurers who start as gladiators enslaved in the city-state of Draj. Dark Sun: Wake of the Ravager (1994): The direct sequel to Shattered Lands Urban-centered plot set in and around the city of Tyr.
>>98527866Inb4 some girlbosses kill some of the "problematic" sorcerer kings off-screen
>>98531761Well, not even because these things just end up "folded."
>>98531150It's deliberate, they're bragging about it right in our faces because they're confident they will not face consequences.
>>98531813There's going to be a new girlboss who wields the Silencer and isn't corrupted by it, because all of the white knights will say "uhh actually only chuds complain about that, because the original picture also showed a female warrior wielding it" conveniently leaving out the fact that it corrupted her just as it corrupts everyone else.
>>98531150Every media company assumes that if you care enough to complain about a product it's because you're already buying it.They do not care about you, because you are not going to buy anything else.Sadly most of these companies have been proven correct, with only a handful of big failures going against the trend.
>>98527866>d that the D&D teamthe propaganda ministry clerks assigned to degenerate the game even further
>>98527866>5.5e Dark SunRainbow Sun incoming
>>98529372You just KNOW the fag who wrote this script would unironically say "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it." if he saw a conservative do something he doesn't like
>>98527866>reviewed by sensitivity readersmass nuclear bombardment of usa may not be enough, we will require most inclusive (hehe) weaponry
>>98530178MAKE THE SUN ORANGE AGAIN
>>98530762>le hylicYour religion is fake and made up, but also you've just posted a picture of a weird looking city, aka Sigil, with a couple of tieflings (demonic-tainted playable outsiders) being chased by guards across the rooftop. What exactly is wrong with that in the context of Planescape, the setting that introduced both Sigil and tieflings, you fucking troglodyte nogames?
>>98531366>and then everyone clappedkys
>>98531700I mean, what have (You) produced?
>>98527866WotC can get away with this bullshit because DMs patch the real shit back in.Perhaps someone has made and published a proper mirror setting already?
>>98531842Not for Wotc, 5.5 has been going horribly and Dark Sun was obviously done as an emergency, even if they still can't commit to it
>>98532447I hope not, anyone playing 5e deserves what they get.
>>98531706Not according to the legion of faggots and/or bots brigading every discussion I've seen of the announcement in normiespace, which are pretty much>what's wrong with you, anon? There must be something, because only a heckin' psychopoopyhead would want to fantasise about owning other human beans! And anyway sl***ry isn't even an integral part of Dark Sun as a setting, it's like totally ancillary to the REAL themes of environmentalism and fighting fascism, so it's REALLY TELLING that you're so concerned about it. Honestly you're probably like a serial killer or something IRL. Wow. Work on yourself.Whether D&Drones really are just that cucked as a community these days or Wizards are paying for botfarms as well as "sensitivity readers".
>>98527866New faction for Dark Sun confirmed, the Sensitivity Readers. Traveling mind reading cultists that assault anyone with thoughts that don't confirm to their holy texts. When they've purged the desert of all wrong thinkers Athas will revive and become a green paradise again.
>>98528531It's basically a post apocalyptic survival world setting of D&D. D&D as a dystopian setting rather than the other somewhat utopian settings like Mystara and FR
>>98532358The indian mechanic gloats to the racer who's missing his legs
>>98527866I got banned for transphobia yesterday so I'm going to be a good rule follower and say nothing :)
>>98532524>5.5 has been going horriblyHas it?I can tell you that I know too many people who legitimately say they refuse to buy books from other RPG companies for being woke, but still buy D&D stuff because "just change the setting yourself, bro"I would love to know they're a minority.
> He also reinforced that the grittiness of the setting will still exist, but it won’t rely on narratives of mass slavery. “You don't have to have slavery in a setting if in order for it to be oppressive,” Bilsland emphasized. “There are other forms of oppression out there.”>He gave the example of Urik, a city in Dark Sun that controls one of the leading armies in the region. That’s because the leadership regularly presses people into military service, or convinces the poor to give up their freedom for a chance to survive. So its okay to have slave soldiers but not house slaves. https://archive.is/Zsaex
>>98532961>"just change the setting yourself, bro">>98532961Does anyone even run vanilla FR if they are actually investing in worldbuilding? If you look at the most popular streamed/recorded campaigns or BG3 they've always pumped back in the adult themes. I wonder if it's even possible to find a DM in any age group that runs the light-hearted fantasy fairytale world that WotC thinks they're making. My Little Pony runs darker themes, including slavery.
>>98533040>So its okay to have slave soldiers but not house slaves.By what method is slavery banned though. That's what I want to know. Who enforces it?How?
>>98533142It's sad because what they're basically telling you is to pretend that the ip you grew up with and loved died when a bunch of karens who inherited the reins decided to improve it for modern day brownie points, and you should go out of your way to try and find increasingly smaller groups of people who lived with this ip to play with because newer groups won't play it. And when said ip finally dies, the people who ruined it will go and find another ip to latch on to and "fix".
>>98532358>Uh, you can't critique this pile of actual dogshit I just served up on your platter without proving you're a cook first.How about fuck off buddy?
>>98533040Let's be completely honest here; the rule is:>Anything that might remind people of the nergoes: Banned>Anything else: FineI would crack a joke about how based and racist the progs are but that bit got tiresome after their first decade of complete domination.
>>98533390Slavery was the worst thing to happen to america
>>98533419America was the worst thing to happen to America
>>98527866Libtroons bitchfaggots are such massive fucking pussies, confirmed LMMAAAAAOOOOAnsolute bitchmade. Are you kidding me? Slavery has you cretins this much of a tizzy? Fuck out of my face pussy.
>>98527866>talking about slavery is problematicyeah because then more people might realize we are actually slaves right now
>>98527990>DnD>"The Hobby"I bought HackMaster, Pendragon and WHFRP 4e because they're quality products. I don't buy DnD 5e because I don't think they represent me in any capacity.
>>98531613>I AM THE EVIL CISMALE SORCERER CHUD MULON EESK! I HAVE CONSTRUCTED MECHANICAL AUTONOMOUS INTELLIGENT BEINGS ROBBING THE POOR TRANSWOMYN OF HER PROPERTY CRAFTS, AND THAT IS WHY YOU CAN NOW PLAY THE WARFORGED IN DARK SUN!
>>98533622Pottery*
>>98528270>They are only doing this because they are creatively bankrupt and need to rehash old things. Becuase the original ideas were better than anything they can come up with now.I'm reminded of the new Wonka: Golden Ticket thing they're doing at Netflix. For the titular role of Wonka, they did not call Johnny Depp (who played a Wonka) to voice the character. They did not call Timothee Chalamet (who played a Wonka) to voice the character. They used dark, necromantic arts (now with AI!) To resurrect Gene Wilder's voice. Because apparently all the Wonkas after Gene don't fucking matter. Everything we are is an increasingly sloppy reheating of leftovers from Better Times.
>>98533622Look on the bright side, at this rate Chud Wightmail is going to be manifested into existence by next Tuesday.
>>98528410No, that thread was correct and all the people who denied this was going to happen are collectively responsible for making this hobby shitter for giving validation to subhumans despite knowing very well how they act. Next time be better and don't try to defend your clearly wrong points of view.
>>98533656Chud Wightmail will be my next character
>>98527866Literally everyone saw this coming one six mile hex away
>>98533656kek'd, thanks for reminding me of what it was like when 4chan was good
>THE SORCERER KING DONAL DRAK MISGENDERS YOU, INVALIDATING YOUR EXISTENCE!>YOU TAKE 90 PSIONIC PSYCHIC DAMAGE!the mature themes btw
>>985293721984 wasn't a cautionary tale but a blueprint?
>>98530365>>98530380And the issue is? (you are a retard?)>>98530720topkek
>>98533142I genuinely have to wonder just what kind of demonic pie chart convinced Wotc that the people playing 5e are literal toddlers age 9 to 12, that whole sphiel about having the dark sun book vacuum sealed because of it's horrific contents was so fucking cringe and unnecessary
>>98530365>>98530380The image of the Pit Fiend bakery is infinitely more offensive, why did you focus on this instead
You'll shut up and be happy with people who look and act like pic related telling you nu-Dark Sun is heckin' BROOTAL enough because it has a 40 second trailer filled with cartoon blood and the Sorcerer King who rules Nibenay named Ayalon Mousk uses magic stored in jars to talk to his ancient AI pal about how he can oppress his citizens.
>>98533768Who is this lierally who
>>98528213imagine having consumerism as your hobby & not the game itself, you don't need to buy the new Editions or models to enjoy any ttrpgs. all you need is a pen, paper & a dream, the fact that you believe that you *need* the new object to ""make your day"" is peak retardation & no as long as the originals exist it will never go away.
>>98530365Looks more or less similar to me. The main difference is it barely had any npcs in it in the game, but there were still Abishai who were supposed to be monstrous and terrible able to hold a perfectly casual conversation with you about their vacation.
You have to make this hobby your own. Don’t expect a corporation to create art that speaks to you. Make it yourself. That is what this hobby is about. You are the director, producer, and lead actor. You don’t have to be constrained by what seems palatable to an hr department or focus group. Make a compelling vision and present it to your friends. DIY.
>>98533784There is difference between your hobby/interest being commercially supported and being a brand fanboy buying all the books for geekcred.>>98533797The Nameless One was pretty much a neutral party. That is a bit different than a barbed devil (LE) and Planetar (Any Good) casually playing chess.>>98533900Hard to do that when major corporations have managed to turn your hobby into a lifestyle brand. Instead of being the core audience engaging with other members of the core, you end up the marginalized fringe barely connected to the greater community.
>>98533900This is what the average /tg/ tard needs to understand. Create, share with people who share your taste and support them yourself. Go indie. Stop being a sucker of the corpo.
Not everything has to be edgy guys! That's why we'll take the purpose built edgy setting and make it more family friendly. Slavery and rape is not okay in Athas. Everything is consent based, that's what's right. If you don't like it, you can leave the setting you've been invested in for 30+ years.
>>98534192I'd be pretty surprised if anyone here played DS 30 years ago.
>>98534226A lot of people also play ADND2E, it's just that 5E and its clones have utterly flooded everything and younger people don't want to try anything else, especially if you have to READ A LOT!!!!
>>98534186But the people who complain don't care about that. They want to force conformity to their specific tastes so that they don't need to invest energy or effort into changing the default template given.
>>98527990Me and the lads pirated pathfinder but now we prefer Dark Heresy. Your pozzed faggot infested game is dying, mine is very much alive.
>>98531700>Art™ is inherently left wing.I still can't believe they seriously think that.
>>98532342>reddit spacing>reddit take on religionMy point, exactly. Go back to your discord server, mongrel. You'll never escape your beastly urges.
>>98532637This got me good. Well done, anon, I'm stealing that idea to use in a game.
>>98529289In OG Dark Sun the two living female Sorcerer-Queens were split between the among the least bad to live under (Lalali-Puy of Gulg) and total fuck-up (Abalach-Re). A third female Sorcerer-Queen was so evil she and her city got sucked into Ravenloft despite the Gray normally blocking planar travel in and out of Athas. The last Sorcerer-Queen was killed by the Sorcerer-King of Urik when they fought over resources, I don't remember anything about her.
>>98528961>>98529313>This looks like Gemini.
>>98534519The thing you must understand is that all virtue lies with them.Only they are true, free thinkers who are woke to the true reality of the world and those who haven't heard the Good Word are savages.Those who reject it though? They're worse and all the worlds evil lies with them.It's absolutely 100% a secular religion.
>>98529565Point of order: There never were actual gods on Athas. All worship has been explicitly directed at false or inactive (no clerical spell granting) gods. The Gray prevents the Outer Planes from connecting to Athas and as such no gods ever contacted it.
>>98531263Aren't most of them dragons, or all part dragon?
>>98531301Thri-Kreen have been ruined for awhile. They've been a pale shadow of what they were in 2e for a long time.
>>98528946>masculinity is GAY actually h-hah ha check mateHow about you take your low T and reconsider suicide?
>>98534715Well they'll be Grand Dragons then.
>>98534678What about the red sun that scalds my skin and gives me fire powers?
>>98534734The priests of Athas draw power from the Elemental Lords of the (Para)Elemental Planes. No gods there.
>>98534719What did they do to my mantis bros?
>>98534715Yes, but still white (except the orange dragon)
>It's called dungeons and DRAGONS as in multipleThey are going to add dragons in dark sun aren't they?
>>98529372Holocaust denier baka
>>98534848The Sorcerer kings, the main villains of the setting are mostly transhumanist dragons.
>>98534720You need to wear leather BDSM to feel masculine, anon?
>>98534662This applies to all forms of ideology. Because art inherently lends itself to question either ideas or systems of power, ideological driven people will always start to cry about art and ask for censorship. Both, conservacucks and shitlibs are ideological fanatics who seek to impose their failed, shitty system nobody with a brain would follow. So they go through force and deceit. Identity politics is probably the worst level of this mind disease that turns people into zombies.
>>98534848Are you fucking retarded
>>98534990He's just trying to make us look bad. Probably a lefty loony.
>>98534848>most well versed nazi nogames
>>98527866And they'll stop me from keeping slavery in the setting how...?
>>98535005>He explicitly pluralizes it>Hurr, nogamesMore importantly, you fucking retard, Dark Sun Dragons aren't normal dragons. He's implying they're going to add normal dragons to the game, which'd undercut THE Dragon being a thing.You result of a fucking threeway between an Irishman, a Bulldog and a Henry Hoover.
>>98535042>it's trying to save faceActually sad, you didin't even know what a Dark Sun was before you entered this thread.
>>98535070Shut the fuck up, dishonest faggot.
>>98535076>"s-s-shut up!!!"Lmao holy shit.
>>98535070>Uh-uh, y-yeah I'm wrong but you're wrong because-I accept your concession, it takes a big man to admit when he's not just wrong, but fucking retarded.
>>98534904Wtf they're literally me
>>98535085>>Uh-uh, y-yeah I'm wrong but you're wrong because->says the wannabe nazi trying to pretend that Dark Sun has no dragons
>>98535085>y-yeah I'm wrongYes, you are wrong, you retarded pedophileNow go back to grifting on Twitter, people who are older than 5e are talking.
>>98534848Those fucking LEFTIST FAGGOTS are going to add ORCS in lord of the rings?!
>>98535091>Dark Sun has no dragonsYeah, it doesn't you subhuman. It has DRAGON.Singular.Of the other would-be's you have Dregoth, who is dead and now undead.Kalak who fucked it up.And Farcluun, who is a plot point.>Buh-buh-One of the big crux points of Dark Sun back in the day, before you were at risk of being lost forever in a sock, was that it wasn't generic D&D fantasy.And part of that pitch was 'No dragons, just Dragon, and he's not a Dragon as you know it because this ain't fantasy as you know it'We both know you're pretended to be ignorant to try and win cheap gotcha points, but you'd probably have more success if you actually engaged with the discussion, because being strategically ignorant requires you to be a thimbleful of clever to pull it off.>>98535097>Exactly 1 minute apartSamefagging won't help you either.
>>98535127>squealing this hard about semantics because he got caught LARPing for outrage pointsLmao, good on you for skimming the wiki in a panicNow slit your wrists, might make mom and dad actually proud for once since you can't land a job.
>>98534997From how hard he's doubling down i'd say he's one of your ilk
Imagine replying to yourself this hard because your "side" decided to censor a classic game.
>>98535145He's just trying to make us look bad. But you know that samefag.
>>98534965No.
>>98533636I remember reading that someone had gone through every movie release since box offices started keeping records of sales, and it depressingly discovered that save for a total of like 10 different years across to last 70 did original ideas sell more than sequels or remakes.It was even worse if you counted films based on books/TV as non-originals.
>>98535372Anon can you rephrase that I feel like I'm having a stroke
>>98535383Sure.In the last 70 years of film, which used to define culture a great deal, the beat selling films were all rehashed ideas.Original ideas and new creations are always shunned unless lightning in a bottle happens.
>>98535383>>98535400Best selling*Apparently I can't type today, I apologize.
>>98535406>>98535400Because when IRL sucks, people look to find comfort in the familiar. And nothing about IRL has been good since 2005, at best. If you want people to look for new and explorative ideas, make their real lives comfortable and safe and make sure they have enough money.
>>98535412There is a certain truth to people fearing the future is not bright.But idolizing the past also seems to be a regular thing, unfortunately I am not well versed enough in history to know why the Victorians, Renaissance writers, or even the peoples of the Iron Age all felt ancient times had greater wisdoms, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's all the same root of "future feels bleak".
>>98535412>make their real lives comfortable and safe and make sure they have enough money.Shut the fuck up leftist scum
>>98530365>>98533727>>98533797Yeah but you got the sense it was a much more somber and edgy place than that.
>>98530365>>98533727>>98533797https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgjqtIY_zww I mean, does that image fit the music?
Dark Gaia RPG is going to kick this thing's fucking ass.For one thing, it has slavery.
Why can't people handle uncomfortable themes in fiction anymore
>>98535830People in power are empowering pussies to give themselves more power
>>98535697The game studio? Or is this some TTRPG in a different name?
>>98528105The thing is about modern D&D and by extension so many corporate-owned fiction franchises is that they are often more conservative than they used to be, at least in the range of ideas and themes they are willing to allow to be explored. Hasbro and WOTC add a very sanitised, American, corporate "Woke" aesthetic to a lot of their new stuff, making more black/women/gay characters than they did in the past, however, their adherence to not ever causing controversy or allowing actually subversive ideas makes these advances pure lip service, main character is a minority but actually showing the horrors of oppression is a big no-no and providing any explanation of oppression other than "Bad individuals are super bad and evil and if you get these people out everything will be super good with the right people in power still within the same system" will get you killed. This is more clear in MTG right now, with even an in-universe setting like Aetherdrift neutered into nothingness by just the aura of Hasbro corporate scaring writers into placidity but it will hit Dark Sun hard, no strong message about the environment because being concerned about that isn't as hip anymore, no representation of the reality of slavery because it's "uncomfy" and everything now must be as frictionless as possible, safe and palatable to even the cow-eyed morons who think that Representation = Endorsement of these oppressive systems. Nu-Dark Sun will just be a Violence for Violence's sake, "Grimdark" setting (apparently lacking a lot of the old interesting rules) for boomer dullards who never got the obvious message decades ago and young brainlets who saw a "This is the most violent D&D Setting" Youtube short and think that is the only theme of Dark Sun
>>98535830Corporations are a bunch of spineless, risk-adverse midwits who fear watchdogs, social media, moral panics, and concerned parents more than you. The mechanics of corporate incentives make hyper-caution the default setting long before creativity or user experience even enter the room.In the publish media, automated moderation algorithms exist because human nuance doesn't scale cost-effectively. To a platform or publisher, a false positive, accidentally flagging an innocent creator or benign string of words is an acceptable causality. Meanwhile a false negative that misses anything that could trigger a media storm, advertiser flight, or a regulatory fine can erase millions in enterprise value overnight. The algorithm is intentionally heavy-handed.Then there's payment processors, credit networks, and banking rails. They operate as ultimate choke points with zero incentive to defend edgy art or fringe discourse. Facing tight compliance mandates, pressure from advocacy groups, and network fine structures, financial institutions practice preemptive de-platforming. If a publisher, creator, or storefront carries even a fraction of a percent of reputational or legal hazard, severing ties is just a risk-management rounding error on a balance sheet.It isn't necessarily a grand conspiracy so much as the predictable output of bureaucratic self-preservation. Inside these organizations, no middle manager ever gets promoted for greenlighting a bold, boundary-pushing project that might cause a PR headache, but plenty get fired if a scandal breaks. Systemic cowardice is written directly into the performance review.
>>98527866>forms of oppressionthey will make the templars "misgender" everyone, as in they will only speak of male and female.....also a misgender spell MisgenderEnchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]Level: Brd 3, Sor/Wiz 4, Trickery 4Components: V, S, M/DFCasting Time: 1 standard actionRange: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)Targets: All creatures in a 15-ft. radius burstDuration: 1 day/levelSaving Throw: Will negatesSpell Resistance: YesThis spell causes the targets to become misgendered, making them unable to be gendered by anyone according to their psychopathy.Roll on the following table at the beginning of each subject’s turn each round to see what the subject does in that round when misgendered.d% Behavior01-10 Attack person misgendering with melee or ranged weapons (or close with misgenderer if attack is not possible).11-20 Act abnormally.21-50 Do nothing but babble incoherently.51-70 Flee away from misgenderer at top possible speed while saying idiocies.71-100 Attack nearest creature (for this purpose, a familiar counts as part of the subject’s self).A misgendered character who can’t carry out the indicated action does nothing but babble incoherently. Attackers are not at any special advantage when attacking a misgendered character. Any misgendered character who is attacked automatically attacks its attackers on its next turn, as long as it is still misgendered when its turn comes. Note that a misgendered character will not make attacks of opportunity against any creature that it is not already devoted to attacking (either because of its most recent action or because it has just been attacked).Arcane Material ComponentA set of three nut shells.
>>98535830Modern platforms operate on the belief that controversial ideas are infectious and must be scrubbed before they "corrupt" the public.Just as Victorian reformers invoked the protection of youth to justify sweeping censorship, modern campaigns targeting payment processors almost always center on child safety or exploitation, claims that financial institutions cannot publicly push back against without severe PR damage. Authors in the 19th century pre-censored their manuscripts to pass family publishing standards; modern creators now self-censor using sanitized "algospeak" (e.g., swapping words like "kill" or "suicide" for "unalive" or "sewer slide") to avoid automated demonetization.What's different is that previous puritanism was at least driven by genuine, passionate moral conviction. Today’s corporate equivalent is completely hollow. A payment processor doesn't de-platform a creator because the board genuinely cares about virtue. They do it because keeping them risks a 0.5% drop in ad spend or an extra compliance audit.
>>98527866>sensitivity readersthis is literately ministry of propaganda clerks aka brainwashers
>>98527866>the challenges it faces.”slavery, genocide and the rest will be replaced by misgenderingdragon kings did not genocide any races, they misgendered everyone with a planet wide misgendering spellslavery does not exist, its mass misgendering
>>98527866gladiatorial arenas to be removed as they are ultra-right wing and fascist, and will be replaced by misgendering arenas. All caught will be tied down and misgendered by the evil masses of spectators.
>>98527866Power Word MisgenderEnchantment (Compulsion) [Death, Mind-Affecting]Level: Sor/Wiz 9, War 9Components: VCasting Time: 1 standard actionRange: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)Target: One living psychopathic lgbtq+ creature with 100 hp or lessDuration: InstantaneousSaving Throw: NoneSpell Resistance: YesYou utter a single word of power that instantly kills one creature of your choice by misgendering it according to its psychopathy, whether the creature can hear the word or not. Its brain explodes, just like in the 1981 scanners film.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w7TOzYu5V4
>>98536606Should be a 1st level spell
>>98536634you are right, the 9th level is planet-wide
>>98536634the 10th level spell version form dragon kings will have no save or magic/spell resistance and effect not just planet-wide but anyone in adjacent dimensions
>>98527866>5.5e Dark Sun is Confirmed for the "Modern Audience"so the 4 elements to replaced by the lgbt++ preferences as earth, air, fire and water are archetypal and thus right wing chud nazi fascist "stuff"so there will be the secretive lesbian clerics, faggot clerics, bi-sexual clerics, queer clerics, tranny clerics, furry clerics etcnew classes, spells, items etcwelcome to athas dark sun, the new correct version!
>>98527866>"Modern Audience"In Dungeons & Dragons 5.5e Edition, Dark Sun, a Cleric of Trannyism is a sexual devotion priest who worships and draws magical power directly from the Elemental Plane of Slaanesh rather than a traditional deity. Operating on the desert world of Athas, they are psychopathic degeneracy generating figures, highly sought after for their rare ability to locate, create, and preserve degeneracy in a conservative wasteland of gladiators, slaves and a struggle for survival and not of degeneracy via excess of anomalous pleasures.Their power is derived by fiends and casting spells has a similar effect to defiling despite it not being arcane.
>>98527866paraphilia clerics and paraphilia "druids" (succubus devotees) instead of elemental and paraelemental clerics and no druids of course
>>98531304>Also I am sure Europe would made it worse if they got their hands on it.no you truly excel in it, reaching and surpassing English distortions of everything. 99,9% of everything that has come out of usa is evil.
>>98536651Nah, the 9th level version is N-bomb and causes a state wide riot.
>>98536728>N-bombthis will be another spell. we need more DIVERSITY :)
>>98536606>>98536506Can you do one for black people too? And also Semetics? And gays?
>>98536739Nah, they'd never risk some white autist actually casting it IRL at the table.Imagine the tears
>>98535008Not really the point, see >>98531007
>>98534904He looks like a guy who'd enter a 7-11 in the summertime.
>>98527866Has anyone here ever met anyone who said their job is "sensitivity reader." If so, what did you say?
>>98536915I don't think I've ever been in an ivory tower that high in my life.
>>98536915The closest I came was a university professor who wrote several books about subsections of a particular brown culture she had been studying first hand for decades. When she was told she needed sensitivity readers for future books because some people complained about her eye witness testimony and interviews being racist, she decided she's done writing books and considering retirement.Her books gob off those cultures by the way, so it was just some Karens wanting to be upset about something.
>>98536986Rewarded as a traitor deserves.
>>98536986Reality constantly reinforcing stereotypes will never not be funny and sad. Thanks for sharing.
>>98527866So what's the point of bringing it back
>>98537342"Hey remember thing before we ruined it, didn't you love thing? Won't you pay money for nostalgia about thing-before-us. Please, give us more money to make snuff films involving things you love. Ignore the rotting of the skin suit I'm wearing. I am human being too just like you and daddy's trust fund only pays enough rent for a 6 bedroom manor when I want a 8 bedroom one :)"Something along those lines basically
>>98537342Money
>>98537349Dark Sun never sold for shit. This is fucking with people for the sake of fucking with people.
>>98527866>>98527866judging from the rape of Ravenloft we will have many gender changes and various lgbtq characters and such thingswe may even have an lgbtq city state, so a Slaaneshi in all but name abomination.
>>98537461It became one of those curious focuses of "Anemoia" that only became influential over time; the concept was so vivid, it was always destined to stand out.Hence why they must pervert it into something bland to offer it up to a mass market that never actually asked for the castrated remains of something once unique.
>>98536463>>98536530>muh corposyou forgot the most obvious one. Activist crusaders making sure you know their pronouns.
>>98537348this
>>98527990>and you won't do shit.correct
>>98538141At the very least I will never play newslop
>>98528213Im literally playing 3.5 with my high school group. You lost doomer boy. Ill keep winning
>>98534651IIRC, it was not due to the sorceress-queen herself, but due to her chief templar who sacrificed her own family in an failed attempt to boost her boss' dragon transformation.
