>>98537401
Alignments are retarded and so are you.

>>98537401
It’s isekai slop, OP

>>98537401
>pointy ears and a mustache
Neutral-evil at best

>>98537401
if you accept the self-evident notion that for a sufficiently sophisticated society some form of workers are needed that work for next to nothing, then this guy is lawful good since he goes out of his way to ease the stress on the slave caste

if you subscribe to the belief that slavery and ownership of human beings in general is wrong than this guy is more lawful evil maybe even neutral evil, since he only wants his slaves to be highly productive for his self interest

if you take this seriously this guy is likely chaotic neutral since educating your suppressed class is like playing with fire in the dynamite factory

>>98537401
It's not DnD, so it's neither. Alignment is a game mechanic, not an actual foundation for morality.

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>>98537401

Oh look, yet another slave, what do? thread.

>>98537401
Still Lawful Evil. He's only making sure they are healthy and educated because it makes him more money as they can sell for a higher price. If the market changed and he would make more money by grinding them up for sausage meat, he'd do that too.

Evil is entirely capable of doing good actions and remaining evil, because evil is not exclusionary. Good is what cannot tolerate evil without being irrevocably tainted, it doesn't work the other way around.
A person who helps orphans but still rapes and murders people for fun is a rapist and a murderer regardless of how many orphans they save, the good actions have no impact on the monstrous nature of his crimes.

>>98537401
No, this is Patrick.

>>98537651
Narrative is a backdrop to games, and should never influence resolutions.

>>98538008
so in your mind, nothing within the setting should ever touch on actual game mechanics? are you gay?

>>98538192
He's never played a game he just has strong opinions about how you should.

>>98537755
Correct.
Good means you're willing to do things that are objectively moral, so in this case he'd be free those slaves. Instead he's treating them better so that they're a higher quality commodity to sell. His motivation is as a business man.
To be Lawful good it would have to be a situation where the children will become slaves no matter what he does, so he enslaves them just in lawful terms but in principle they are free, and that's the best he can do in this situation.

Lawful Neutral in that it's pragmatic and legal within the framework of a larger Neutral Evil (Nation State).

>>98538253
How is Slavery Neutral?

>>98538008
You're an idiotic nogames faggot.

>>98538293
You got mad enough to need to respond, yet had no arguments. You sir are the idiot.

>>98538268
It's my fetish so it cannot be wrong, because I am the sole arbiter of morality.

>>98537401
Probably Lawful Evil and definitely not Lawful Good, D&D pretty frequently uses slavery to show which beings are the bad guys. Lawful good at most might allow a limited form of slavery as a punishment for a particular crime or a temporary measure for prisoners of war, but selling people is where the line is drawn.

D&D usually puts humans as neutral but I think Lawful Neutral or even Lawful Evil might be a better fit considering how often humans let society define their morality and become tolerant of the most cruel injustices once they are normalized.

>>98538302
Because it'd be like casting pearls before swine, but sure. Narrative is more important than mechanics because RPGs are about telling a collaborative story, thus having a cohesive narrative, tropes, story beats, is important.

>inb4 storygames
kys

>inb4 write a book
It's not about writing a book. It's about creating "room for archetypes" and letting the players grow into them, which creates these narrative patterns that are then reinforced by the gameplay AND in turn, influence the mechanics and thus resolution.

>>98537401
Why does it have to be a slave den? If it was an orphanage and you adopted happy well fed well educated legal age girls then there'd be no weirdness.

>>98538367
Anon... he's selling children for money

>>98538268
It depends on the kind of slavery, honestly. While obviously slavery isn't great from a modern perspective, for much of human history slavery was commonplace and seen as societaly necessary.
Chattel slavery is obviously inexcusable because it is applied unilaterally to a population regardless of personal action or accountability and carries forward unjustly onto their descendants, but there were other kinds of slavery. A criminal may be sentenced to some number of years as a slave as punishment for their crimes: is this evil? By the laws of the land this is punishment for transgression, they would call it justice. Is this somehow more immoral than a similar number of years in prison simply because it is called the same thing as the exploitative slave trade?
Similarly, debtors would end up in slavery until their debts could be paid off. Is this immoral? Is being forced to pay back what you owe with labor wrong? It seems there that the punishment is as just or unjust as the debt itself is, some ways you end up in debt are worse than others.

>>98538268
because slavery is necessary for society to function and in some cases even beneficial for the enslaved (see living standards of african slaves on both sides of the atlantic).

>>98538367
why would you want your pedo sex fantasy to be less weird?

>>98538404
Where do you see ooga boogas in the image anon?

>>98538355
your description made me think. you explicitly mentioned archetypes while I would suggest the other anon is more focused on the individual player, his agency and his character. it reminds me of what my professor once told us
>comedy is about life and archetypes while drama is about persons and death
maybe you just have a more positive outlook on things or maybe the other anon is a misanthrope. maybe a bit of both

>>98538418
it was an example, moron. in the pic the slavery is obviously depicted as positive for the slaves as well so what is your point anyway?

>>98538430
>in the pic the slavery is obviously depicted as positive for the slaves as well so what is your point anyway?
What about the part where they're held behind bars?

>>98538268
>How is Slavery Neutral?
There are many forms of slavery besides chattel slavery. It's perfectly reasonable to consider debtors being forced to work as compensation for unpaid debts to be a Lawful Neutral position. At a small scale that's as simple as not letting a diner leave the restaurant until he's been put to work as a dishwasher, and at a large scale you have debtors being sent to colonize Australia instead of wasting away in jail.
Indentured servitude is also a form of slavery, and throughout history there have been many occasions where freemen voluntarily submit to an indenture or similar circumstances because it was better than struggling on their own. Prisoners working on assembly lines making license plates is a form of slave labor, yet every prison with work programs has stiff competition for jobs because even manual labor is more stimulating than sitting alone in a cell, especially outdoor work like road maintenance where they can be out in fresh air and the sun.

A Roman Gladiator making money while room and board is completely covered and getting to have romantic rendezvous with admiring noblewomen and having celebrity status while able to redeem himself if he wishes is not the same as a chattel slave worked to death stirring giant copper cats of molten sugarcane; the mortality rate for the latter was so high that the Spanish exhausted the supply of natives and had to import replacement slaves from halfway around the world to keep throwing into the meat grinder

>>98538473
Anon those are children in those cages waiting to be sold off to people who will likely blow out their assholes.

>>98538404
>>98538430
> and in some cases even beneficial for the enslaved

Here's the problem with that argument: if it were true, they wouldn't have to be slaves to work for you.
If working for you for free and getting 'paid' in room and board was actually better than their other options, you wouldn't have to enslave them. You'd simply post signs saying that you're looking for workers and they would come to you. It would even be a better deal for you personally, you'd never have to buy the slaves they would just show up for free! And, sure, they can leave whenever they want, but as you said working for you for no pay is BETTER than their other options, so why would they? Some people will come and go but you'll still have plenty of people willing to take the deal.

If thats not true, then you really do need to purchase people to force them to work against their will, and the rest of your argument is bullshit that slave owners told themselves to feel better.

>>98538537
What if the job title is "slave" because the manager's dick gets all tingly when he calls his housekeepers slaves?

>>98538537
You can't leave even many modern jobs whenever you want, let alone in the ancient world. People did come directly to employers and voluntarily enslave themselves in exchange for room and board and benefits, that's literally how the Americas were successfully colonized. A potato farming peasant can't afford a trip across the Atlantic on their own especially without knowing anyone a continent away before mass communications, so they voluntarily enslave themselves for a term where their freedom is restricted and they have to work for the person owning their indenture. Most white people in North America are descended from this sort of slave unless their ancestors immigrated only within the last century post-WW1; and the obvious ways to exploit this system were also common, such as male land owners putting out an indenture for a woman and offering to void it if they marry him, which is really not much different morally than the typical isekai adventurer buying a catgirl slave who he frees when she joins his harem.

Nobody is signing up to be a galley slave worked to death rowing boats while chained to your oars but that's like saying every soldier in history was a fucking Tang dynasty peasant who got killed so his officers could eat his body during winter.

>>98537401
Depends on the country. If it's legal then it's Lawful. Otherwise it's Chaotic. Good, evil? Who gives a damn.

This feels like a bell curve meme where only midwits think slavery is somehow good.

>>98538621
It's not good but neither is a feudal society having a draft that forces serfs and peasants to abandon their fields and march in line with shitty equipment as levees while actual professional soldiers and mercenaries slaughter them with better equipment, and if they don't respond when called they're put to death and have their property confiscated by the landlord. There's no D&D edition or D&D knockoff like Pathfinder etc where Feudal societies are automatically Evil though, and drafting soldiers to fight and die against their will is the definition of Lawful Neutral behavior during wartime

>>98538646
This. Slavery was terrible, but so was most of the rest of the ancient world. As things improved, we eventually got to the point where we no longer needed slavery and everywhere that was not America was generally happy to get rid of it.

>>98538355
Collaborative storytelling isn't gameplay.
>>>/qst/

>>98538689
Sorry. We'll make a WotC sanctioned thread about the upcoming Dark Sun books and how they are sensitivity tested for modern audiences :)

>>98537411
First post nogames post

>>98538646
>a feudal society having a draft that forces serfs and peasants to abandon their fields and march in line with shitty equipment as levees while actual professional soldiers and mercenaries slaughter them with better equipment
Feudal society was not England, anon. You are as ignorant of history as OP.

>>98538673
We have more slaves in the actual sense today than in any other period in human history

>>98538849
We have more people today than in any other period in human history.

>>98538268
Read it again. Within the frameworks of the supposed nation-state's laws, it's legal. Ergo, lawful neutral within its context. Yet the context it exists in violates the natural law that unwilling bandage is Evil.

>>98538880
There is no game I know of that uses alignments as a concept that has them subjective.
Your statement is some made up shit I expect from someone who never read the books, or is just trolling to pad out the thread count.

>>98538861
Per-Capita is roughly the same though, but at least it's more concentrated I guess.
>>98538880
Natural laws superseded all other's except God if you're into that. If you lived in the kingdom of murderrape, and murderrape was the law, it doesn't magically mean following it is good, just normal.

>>98538840
feudal china did exactly what that post is describing. there's a reason there were so many peasant uprisings.
>What is the punishment for being late to muster due to rain, sir?
>Death
>What is the punishment for rebellion?
>Also death
>Well, we might as well rebel then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Sheng_and_Wu_Guang_uprising

>>98538673
slavery is necessary in so far as some jobs are thankless and inherently shitty to work but those jobs need to be done regardless. different societies got differently about it. just look at the indians with their untouchables, the same concept applied in european medieval cities but regardless of how you slice it some form of physically working underclass has to be present

we alleviated this problem to a degree since the industrial revolution since less physical work is needed now to run the world to a standard than ever before. also machines made everything less dangerous and less disgusting. the next logical step would be robot slaves but we already know that was going to happen, the plebs would have to fight over jobs with literal bots

which brings us to the actual (toned down) slavery that is enacted today mainly by the boomer fucks (but we all know who the actual culprits are): wagecuckery. you are chained by taxes, astronomical rent and increasing job market competition and forced to either live a subsistence lifestyle or keep running in the treadmill. oftentimes even both. keeping you so underpaid you can't even dare to speak up since there is very little financial safety which makes you an obedient worker and chained to your boss and landlord, both of which are inclined to squeeze every penny of value from you with only so much in return as they can be forced to by law. property rules and if you don't have any, you are effectively on someone else's mercy like a dog on a leash

the system isn't broken, it's working as intended and must be dismantled

>>98539041
> the system isn't broken, it's working as intended and must be dismantled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwC6D5wob1U

>>98539041
There is an explicit difference though as far as incentives go and lateral progression. Serfs are better than slavery, even if it's degrees of servitude. And being a wage slave is better than being a Serf.

>>98538404
Wait anon are you saying that Africans were enslaved . . . by other Africans and Muslims . . . and that they were treated worse by Africans and Muslims than the slaves owned by Americans were?

>>98537579
He doesn't go out of his way to ease the stress on the slave cast. He considers it's a good way to raise a good product. They are a commodity in his eye

>>98538673
>everywhere that was not America was generally happy to get rid of it.

Yeah they sure were anon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

>>98539096
I say this and think like this

Hot take but child sex slaves are bad m'kay?

Now you can have a setting about it, everyone that isn't braindamaged irl can see that selling children is bad

>>98537401
Lawful Evil
That said, D&D alignments are shit and should be avoided. Use the ones from Rifts.

>>98538673
Where did you get your education? "American" (actually: British) slavery was not particularly late to perish as far as that institution went. Indeed, the Arabs never stopped taking slaves. Neither did the Indians. There might still be slaves even in America had the British not been so skeptical of Confederate odds of victory and so fearful of a Union trade embargo.

>>98539041
I'd think the prison system would be the actual slavery of today.

>>98538673
>no longer needed
no longer profited from

Slavery is pretty inefficient. You can get goyim to fill all sorts of shitty and deadly jobs using "economic pressure", i.e. threat of starving to death and government violence. Slaves have to be managed, provided for, bought and sold, allocated, etc. It's better if they sort themselves out and just give you the end result.

>>98537401
I always like isekai protagonists instantly supporting slavery. Not actively opposing it is fine, but it's pretty hilarious to imagine random Japanese men when get teleported to other worlds and immediately want to buy a woman to be their property.

>>98539505
That's called debt slavery.

>>98540280
Porno tier story telling

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>>98537401
Can't tell it's lawful at all if we're not familiar with laws on the land.

>>98538689
>he doesn't know about /mcyoag/ and the like
Tourist.

>>98539041
>must be dismantled
It must be protected at all costs, we just need to grant land to all White people and enslave the rest, then it will truly work properly.

>>98537401
It's lawful evil pretty clearly.

>>98539146
It's because American whites were the ones being enslaved as well

>>98540280
>random Japanese men when get teleported to other worlds and immediately want to buy a woman to be their property
It's just the only way the average reader of those stories could possibly be with a woman

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All slavery is inherently evil.
All slavers should be imprisoned and/or killed.
There is no nuance or gray area.

>>98540580
Only slaves think that.

>>98538404
>>98539118
> in some cases even beneficial for the enslaved
> and that they were treated worse by Africans and Muslims than the slaves owned by Americans were
unless living in africa is some hellscape I don't see your logic.

>>98540714
All countries that are not America are hellscapes. That's why we enslaved them.

>>98540714
Maybe you should look into how many descendants of slaves exist in America and how many exist in the Muslim world and think about how that came to be, considering the latter continued the practice of enslaving Africans much longer than the former.

>>98540714
Male slaves in many slave cultures were often gelded or prevented from marrying until well past their prime.

>>98540681
Don't you think they'd be the experts on the subject?

>>98541097
No, they're slaves. They will never know better than me at anything.

>>98541138
You mean the people you bought to do the work you're not able to do?

jk I know you're just larping. Don't worry about it, bro

>>98541147
In a just world I would be able to kill your whole family for sport, subhuman.

>>98537401
That's clearly neutral evil

>>98537401
Lawful evil, unless the only way to enter slavery is voluntary. Then it's lawful neutral. The only version of lawful good slavery is punitive labour, and even that can be debated.

To be completely blunt, this kind of work is basically a sort of pornography. You shouldn't worry too much about it. The protagonist has a loving slave girl because that's kind of hot, and maybe there's a bare ass excuse pasted over it. But you really should approach it the same way as anything else like this and not bother questioning the ethics of a mind control doujin.

>>98540714
oh boy do I have stories for you. I had the pleasure of spending some time at the gambia, living with the locals and all that. there is little civilization in sub-saharan africa as we know it. the hospitals looked like a war time lazarette, streets were mostly just dirt roads, electricity if available goes out at least once a day... the funny thing is they know they were better off under colonial rule. it's very easy to get a white savior complex since they still treat every white man like he is some form of authority. the entire place is surreal and kafkaesque

>>98537401
>Lawful Neutral
the self purpose of LN is lawfulness and legalistic structure

the self purpose of LG is good, but via lawfulness and legalistic structure

>>98537401
good slavery; not really slavery - just something like community work tier stuff
neutral slavery; same living conditions or mildly worst than a free citizen but has less rights
evli slavery; the abyssal, the slave is a a thing or an animal to the owner

>>98542158
I don't think it's literally laws but rather a personal codex of laws

>>98540802
why not kill them then.

>>98540821
part of that is because they aren't slaves anymore.
black slavery would not be the best thing if it survive though modernity , you don't want corpos owning to much literal slaves.

unless your argument is basically arguing that slavery is good , because it lets your family eventually imigrate to better countries once slavery stops being considered good.

which I guess I could see?

>>98541682
thats colonies not slavery , I am unsure if it beats being a slave , but I am not gonna lie , depending who gets to slave me, I am going to take my chances slaving.

>>98546382
>laws but rather a personal codex of laws
on the personal level it is, but on the society and extended level it is laws and such things, structure.

>>98537401
Sounds like Lawful Neutral to me.
>respect for his own rules and system
>not altruistic, caring only for his goals

>>98546868
I thought we are judging a person/character not the general alignment of a given government/society

>>98540280
Most isekai writers are creatively bankrupt (They are chasing a trend after all) and at least one slave harem member is currently one of the ingredients for a big isekai hit. They're always so in favor of it because the authors aren't even remotely introspective of what they're writing about.

In a way it kinda mirrors the indifference to actual slavery: "It's just the way things are, why should I think about it?"

>>98538355
I wrote my own ruleset and run a game basically every other year, though now that I have kids that's winding down. Games are about mechanics. Narrative is emergent; It's something that people retroactively form to explain past experiences, just like real life. If you make a good game, and you make interesting playgrounds to play it in, the players make up the story and you don't have to do anything but agree with them that the story they made up was definitely the plan the whole time.

>>98537411
Moral relativists when the morals be relativistic.

>>98552374
More importantly, it allows an isekai protag without any friends or social value to obtain a companion-slash-honeypot without the slow tedious shit like friendship or character development. Who better to drag with you on a journey to kill the demon lord than a sexy babe who legally can’t say no to you?

>>98537401
Lawful Evil

>>98537401
>says "because this is a trustworthy business" instead of "because i don't like when my slaves suffer"
>the implication being that keeping his slaves healthy and happy is just a marketing strategy
Neutral at best. If he could get away with selling unhealthy slaves he'd be feeding them sawdust.

>>98538590
Hey. You leave the BDSM people out of this.

>>98539118
>and that they were treated worse by Africans and Muslims than the slaves owned by Americans were?
Well. No. Because in general continental African slavery was temporary (until you paid off a debt or treaties got hammered out between your rulers post war) and didn't extend to the children of the enslaved. Whereas with translantic slavery, when you're a jet you're a jet for life.

>>98552032
personality (outward social style ) and character (internal moral compass, ethics, values, beliefs) is effected by alignment but alignment especially in fantasy settings is linked to gods and good/evil etc concepts and societies and governments and how the pcs interact with all of that and where they stand.

>>98556054
Well, yeah, but if you want to sell high quality stock, you need to have high quality standards for the living conditions. It's the whole argument between "factory" farming and free range farming.

>>98552567
The Japanese really are a socially retarded cucked race if the fantasy is "I have been transported to a magical world where I am now a child and I can buy a child slave GF who will magically love and sex my penor".

>>98558822
>ut if you want to sell high quality stock, you need to have high quality standards for the living conditions
I kinda forgot he sells the slaves desu, that's a pretty huge factor in whether he's good or evil. Like, he could maybe be considered "one of the good ones" if he only sells his slaves to kind and reputable slave-drivers like himself, but if he's letting rapists and tyrants buy his slaves then i'd say he's just evil.
(though if he were really "good", he'd dedicate his time to getting slavery abolished, or helping his society get to a place where slavery is no longer needed. Even in the "one of the good ones" case, he's still a parasite who perpetuates and takes advantage of human suffering for personal gain)

>>98558890
It’s half that, half shitty writing trends. But all manners of fucked up.

>>98538355
>Makes an obviously wrong statement
>tries to inb4 the obviously correct answers.
"Saying 2+2 = 4 is retarded babboon shit and only subhumans think it. Everyone knows it's 12. inb4 some retard tries to ;recalculate' or 'prove' it's 4, kill yourselves"

>>98558890
makes a lot more sense if you know that in japan child abuse, especially of the sexual sort, is mainly perpetrated by mothers towards their boys. what weebs need to realize is that nips are fundamentally different in their world view to westerners

>>98562995
I thought it was just about mothers helping relieve their son's stress over entrance exams

>>98567505
I've got to say, I've been pretty stressed over exams in the past, but never so stressed that I had to channel Oedipus to blow off some cum/steam.
That shit seems like something you can easily do yourself given 10-15 minutes and google.

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>>98552374
>In a way it kinda mirrors the indifference to actual slavery: "It's just the way things are, why should I think about it?"

>>98537401
>You are oppressed
>But we provide you healthcare and education
Oh you Japan...

>>98537401
I dunno mate.
I don't use alignment systems.
I prefer factional affiliations, and to let my players make their own mind up about good and evil.

With no other context, he appears to be a respectable businessman in the context of a slaveholding society, like ancient Athens, or the Roman Republic.

Many societies operated a debt-bondage system where persons would sell themselves into slavery to clear debts incurred by their family, which would be worked off over time.

If they are prisoners taken from piracy or cross-border raids, that makes it more dubious, but debt-bondage is a recognized legal system that in theory functions as a sort of social safety net, odious as it may be to our present sensibilities.

It is better to serve than see your family starve.

>>98537401
Lawful Evil, often confused with others

>>98538268
>debt

>>98560214
Even assuming he jas a "Right to Refuse Service" policy and the weirdo slaver kingdom allows it. If he got the reputation of being picky about who he sells too he'd lose business to less selective buyers, eventually going out of business.

>>98571105
*Less selective slave sellers, goddamn.

>>98537401
Source please?

>>98576502
I got it from reddit :)

>>98537579
>educating your suppressed class is like playing with fire in the dynamite factory
Slaves were not infrequently well educated in Rome. How else will you get a slave teacher for your children?

>>98576959
this is true but was incredibly restricted in practice. I never read of a slave teacher that wasn't more or less directly imported from greece

>>98537579
Where does it imply they don't get paid? Not all slavery is like messed up African Anthony Johnson slavery where you basically own the person.

>>98567984
Genuinely want a John Brown isekai.

>Generic MC gets isekai'd to a generic fantasy JRPG world.
>Is told by the king to save the world from the dark lord.
>Both the king and the dark lord use a great deal of slaves
>MC declares both to be bankrupt and becomes a third faction, both the kingdom and the dark lord ally against MC.

It could be fun if done correctly.

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>>98578297
May things have done something similar but no one has had the balls to go full John Brown with the christian fanaticism in a fantasy world devoid of knowledge of puritan and evangelical christian faith.
Doesn't japan have a large christian following?

>>98578297
I honestly think the whole slave-freeing fantasy is even more cliched. The "I'm okay with slavery" thing showed up because, by and large, it was sort of compulsory for protagonists to lead a slave rebellion...Until it was acknowledged no-one actually *cared* about slavery except in the abstract.
Personally I'd like something like Dany's arc from Game of Thrones, where she tries to bring freedom to the people...Oh wait, turns out you can't dismantle a system like that without a catastrophe.

>>98579182
You can if you're not a dumb white woman in a made up setting

>>98578924
>Doesn't japan have a large christian following?
Not really, after promising stat of early missionaries the practice was outlawed and punishable by death so whatever initial success there was got uprooted again.
They got quite a few martyrs (because Europe kept sending missionaries even after the faith was outlawed) and there's some Christianity-adjacent sects active today, most of them have rather bad reputation (grievances over one such lead to assassination of Shinzo Abe)

>>98579276
> there's some Christianity-adjacent sects active today, most of them have rather bad reputation (grievances over one such lead to assassination of Shinzo Abe)
I thought he was killed because he told people to get laid instead of gooning to 2D cartoons, tell me more

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>>98579182
I think you're half-right, since however people about slavery as a concept, the stories are generally about the main character's struggles and not about commenting on various the political systems and institutions of the past. And most isekai slop stories are just about the characters dungeon delving and fighting monsters, not trying to change society. There'll be stories like Skeleton Knight in Another World, Eminence In Shadow, Reincarnated As A Sword and Fruit Of Evolution that have the characters go out of their way to more directly tackle freeing slaves and condemning the institution of slavery, but for the most part a lot of isekai characters aren't there to shake up the status quo. They're there to punch out the bad guys and get bitches.

That said, I think the slavery thing is overblown for isekai in the sense that it's mostly the really trashy and low-brow shit that has the characters act so non-clamantly about slavery. I could probably find a few dozen or so reincarnators or so that treat the subject of slavery with appropriate disgust or anger, but to the average normie that doesn't matter compared to the fact there's a handful that either explicitly don't care or outright profit off slavery, and that small batch is all the normies who hate isekai slop are going to bother to remember.

>>98540714
many african tribes were slavers themselves, and many african slaves were POWs of intertribal conflicts who, if they were the victors, would have been the ones selling the defeated.
There are also reports of slaves that were relieved to discover that they were not being sold as food, as some tribes purchased slaves specifically to eat them.
So yeah, africa was indeed some sort of hellscape.

>>98580075
Good thing things got better.... right?

>>98537401
>>98537401
Lawful Good.In that world slave is a Profession, you are train to excel on some task and you get economic support, kind of being poor and become a soldier or a priest in this world.

In fact usually the Health Insurance is better on those worlds because the access to magic

>>98582099
Morals are not relative but fixed metaphysical forces in the DnD setting. So all discussion how you could interpret a situation to fit this or that alignment is pointless, you will be judged by metaphysical truth, no matter how much you rationalize your behavior.

>>98537401
the mental gymnastics some ppl will go through to make slavery not evil in their setting is utterly retarded.

>>98584940
It's simple and pure contrarianism. They make excuses and convoluted scenarios where it's okay to enslave purely because they know slavery is capital E Evil and want to look wild and transgressive and radical. There's nothing more to it, it's pure edgelord contrarianism.

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>>98584940
They are not my slaves; they are my employees and my tenants

i am not the slave owner i am their boss and their landlord.

They are free to leave any time they want
But if they do leave i am still going to charge them rent.

so what if their generated income is
just so happened to be exactly the same as the rent and food they buy from me,

it is all completely legal

>>98586065
And yet you still keep them in chains

>>98586826
they're security cords

>>98587133
And the collars, manacles and ankle locks?

>>98537401
Neither, it is still evil, it’s just evil with a functioning brain.

>>98587155
safety redundancies, in case something happens with the security cords

>>98587343
Safety redundancies that endanger a life by making them unable to leave of their own volition?

Sounds like something a slaver would say.

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>>98587357
listen mate, unless you've never worked with laborers, you'd know that they won't take basic safety precautions or use safety tools unless you force them too or they get traumatized by a tragedy. so yes, they require the aid of a supervisor to take them off.

>>98587381
Now you’re being classist, slaver.

>>98587409
classist but true, regardless, if you have no more questions do you want to buy anything?

>>98587579
Nah. I’ll just follow your example and make you my slave instead. Why pay for what you can get for free?

>>98587590
you really can't read for shit, can you? they're laborers, not slaves

>>98587617
Cool, then you’re now my new laborer. Now let’s get you fitted for your security cords and safety redundancies. Don’t want to be late for your first day in the mines.

>>98538389
>>98538473
Weird samefag.

>>98587636
now you get it. so, if you don't leave i'm gonna have security turn you into dog food

>>98587772
Sorry, but you already work for me cause I said you do. Now march before I get security to motivate you to.

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>>98587796
and we've gone back to retardation

>>98588160
Yeah, pretending slavery isn’t slavery is pointless and that you’re not a piece of shit for enforcing it, just call a spade a spade

>>98588295
so are you actually too retarded to realize this was a joke or are you so pathetically obsessed with winning fake internet arguments that you just don't care?

>>98589438
No, I was bored. I recognized it was a joke, it was just a shitty joke that I felt like being shitty about in turn.

>>98589449
the joke would've died sooner if you never engaged with it. stop being the harbinger of your own missery

>>98589490
Who’s miserable?