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So I have found some time to run a grudge match. As anons asked for it this time it'll be set in 3067 with Marians versus the Magistracy. It'll be ran via megamek to ensure no user bias on a 32x34 map. This one is a bit different from last time I've ran it so please read carefully as it has some special instructions to follow. I am also not intending to do this live as in cover each turn in full this time.Background: Its the late 3060s and the Marians have been chancing their luck against the Magistracy of Canopus. Most raids have been successful as the Magistracy has had its eyes mainly on the NCR so the Marians are expecting relatively green and inexperienced forces. This raid however they are unaware they are about to clash against veterans from Operation Bulldog. Will the Marians succeed and return home with valuable slaves and plunder or will the Canopians hold their ground?Attackers: Marian Raiding Party Maniple - 10 mech slots>How to rollPut “dice+8d6” without quotes. First two values determine weight. Second two values determine mech. Remaining values treat as a 4d6 for a typical pilot roll as per pic.>Where's the RAT?See the following post. I'll put an example for a mech and character roll on this as well.Defenders: 1st Canopian CuirassiersNova – 5 mech slots, 5 elemental slots>How to rollFor a mech roll a “dice+2d1000” without quotes to determine mech, 1-300 is light, 301-700 is medium, 701-900 is heavy and 901+ is assault. For your character skills see attached pic however add a +2 to your gunnery roll and a +2 to your piloting roll.For an elemental use attached pic and add a +2 to your gunnery roll and +2 to your piloting roll. Piloting roll will be translated to anti-mek skill. Each character is essentially a squad leader.>Where's the RAT?3050 Smoke Jaguar https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zdswz4c2avek6oing7pyk/3028-3057-Random-Assignment-Rarity-Tables-10.64.pdf?rlkey=s8ywj7tonnw87cgn1n2n7bf0b&e=1&dl=0
>>98543807As I don't fancy giving the Marians all 3025 trash I'm using the RAT from field manual updates. How it works is that you roll an 8d6 where the first two figures are the weight, second two figures are mech and rest are for character skills. For the first roll anything between 2-4 is a light, 5-8 is medium, 9-10 heavy and 11+ assault.For example. I rolled a 2, 3, 6, 6, 6, 6, 2, 5 in a practice. This means I got a 5 which means my mech weight is medium. Followed by a 12 which means its the Vindicator 3L. Then I got another 12 that means my pilot is elite. Then the 2 means my gunnery skill is 3 and 5 means my piloting skill is 2. Therefore I'd put this as:VND-3L Vindicator, “Posca” 3/2 This is an example character by the way I won't use them unless there are slots leftover after a week.FAQ>When is the cutoff and when does this start?Cutoff is next Friday and I'll run this next weekend.>Can I reroll my mech/characters?Mech no. Character yes but you must keep the result. Try to keep this to a minimum.>What if there are extra slots available can I submit more than one?Preferably one slot per anon however if there are slots by mid next week feel free to roll another. Otherwise I'll roll the empty slots myself.>I'm a namefag can I submit myself as a character?No. This is to make the focus about the character not the person and part of the fun is meant to be inventing someone.>Some of your maths doesn't seem to add up?I have fudged the numbers slightly to make it more interesting>Is this meant to be fair?No, but I have tried to playtest a little to see if I can make it a little more balanced.
Rolled 2, 3, 3, 5, 3, 5, 4, 6 = 31 (8d6)>>98543807For the Iris Caesar! TOGA! TOGA!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18eaNSxhK5c
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>>98543728Really should have named the thread Boss of the Butte Hold edition.
>>98543828>HBK-5H Hunchback >Regular 4/4>All the rocketsRock and roll. Legionnaire Larry Lipscomb was found on an abandoned periphery colony world by Marian forces during exploration of dead worlds rimward of the Hegemony. The men who picked him up were looking for SL caches of germanium to relive a piece of their legendary beginnings. Captured and enslaved, his natural piloting aptitude quickly moved him from piloting constructionmechs to the gladiator pits. Needing an extra hand, the current raiding party called him back from the planet Hardcore to lend his mech and skills.To his eyes, he's living a real life isekai adventure, and he's off to do the first thing from his forgotten world's own LN's, get a genuine beast girl slave, whether she exists or not. Outside that, everything he loves is more mech with more gun.
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>>98544116I feel it needs a miniature top hat.
Rolled 3, 2, 5, 2, 6, 3, 3, 6 = 30 (8d6)>>98543807Parta victoria cuncta ipsis cessura et ceteram, rolling for Marians
>>9854416510000 hours in paint
>>98544227Medium, 7..... uhhhh WTH-1H WhitworthYou don't get more Marian than mass Rocket LaunchersPilot should be a 4/4Mirabelle Ren isn't the best Mechwarrior: she herself admits that her skills are merely average, and her knack is more in the technical side of things. She nonetheless managed a solid if unremarkable performance in previous forays: even if no one exactly knows when and how she got onboard. Maintains that she was born in "Detroit", whatever that it. Clearly not a low-tier Blakist spy
Rolled 1, 5, 2, 4, 2, 1, 4, 5 = 24 (8d6)>>98543807Rolling for Marians as well
>>98544269Beautiful.
>>98544286>4/6 green pilot in a standard Phoenix Hawk This will be our boy Lucius Quintus' first combat mission. I am sure he will do fine.I can't believe I rolled a Phoenix Hawk PHX-1 again
>>98543807Wait, so how does Canopian rolling work?
>>98544351If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure PHX-1 is a contender for most RAT appearances of any mech, along with the basic bugs that still show up through Ilclan.
>>98544351How does it feel to be the eternal Phoenix Hawk lad?>>985443642d1000, first number determines weight. Second number determines mech.
>>98544374>Wherever the prey appears so does its predators It makes sense and this is the ass end of nowhere
Rolled 617, 685 = 1302 (2d1000)>>98544414>2d1000, first number determines weight. Second number determines mech.But how do we determine Skill?
>>985444374d6 as per the pic plus modifiers?
>>98544414Not great chief, can't even roll good piloting to kick things when I overheat.
Rolled 2, 3, 1, 1 = 7 (4d6)>>98544446>685So a Ryoken (Stormcrow) B....
Rolled 530, 56 = 586 (2d1000)>>98543807>>98543809Well shit, if you're going to just let the girls have all the fun, I guess I can roll up one of them. Her name is Amelia "Bengal" Devereaux. Let's check that mech first.
>>98544460So in this case you rolled a green pilot, the 1+2= 3 so it would be a 5/6 pilot. Not going to lie that was a really bad pilot roll.
Rolled 1, 6, 2, 4 = 13 (4d6)>>98544467Looks like she gets Dragonfly (Viper). Time for those stats.
>>98544475Amelia "Bengal" Devereaux, Dragonfly(Viper), 4/4
>>98544474>Not going to lie that was a really bad pilot roll.Yep...
>>98544491Mean could reroll if you want. Not like going to be any worse?
>>98543904>I could have used this opportunity to roll a monster girlWhat a waste
>>985444915/6 is the actual worst a pilot can roll with the +2 modifier. I'm sure the other girls in the squad would have a wonderfully catty callsign for her. Afterall, why does this clumsy bitch get a Ryoken?>>98544446Welcome to the pain of anons never understanding how to read and do basic rolling.>>98544451Using up your dice roll luck in my game.
Rolled 6, 1, 3, 4 = 14 (4d6)>>98544500>Mean could reroll if you want. Not like going to be any worse?Sure.
>>98544531>why does this clumsy bitch get a Ryoken?She knows who to eat out
>>98544547That's a 3/4 Ryoken now, armed with a UAC20.
>>98544484So Amelia can do a full 8 hex jump and alpha strike and still not gain a single point of heat. Neat!>The maximum damage she can do is 26, 4 of which is Machine Guns and 8 of which assumes a full cluster roll on an SRM4.Boo!>AMSUgh, fine! She'll be a team player.
>>98544622Mechs that jump less far and do less damage are called OP
Rolled 1, 2, 6, 6 = 15 (4d6)>>98543807Rolling for Chunk Smoke Jaguar.
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98544746So a 3/4 Elemental. Isn't that completely bog standard? Well, at least he's large.
>>98544622Considering the rockets that AMS might come in handy?>>98544746>A 3/4 green pilotCan't make that shit up.
>>98544757A 3/4 green Elemental who somehow ended up as a point commander despite being a bondsman in a periphery military clear across known space from his clan.
>>98544506"The Canopian catgirls are REAL, Centurion!"
>>98544942They could be if they let me reroll
>>98544967You are allowed one character reroll, just not a machine reroll.
Wonder why Clan fails but Mercs sell
>>98544994I want to switch to the opfor as well
>>98545010That's a different RAT and different machine, so probably need to ask the boss.
>>98545009I feel like the free roam campaign mode with only side quest plots is what most people play Mechwarrior for. Does Clans even have one of those?
>>98545009Mercs versions of games have always been the best, ever since MW2:Mercenaries.
>>98543807So I haven't really participated in these before, how does this sort of thing work? Do the anons who roll up the pilots play this in megamek later or do you just run it with what we rolled and then let us know the results afterwards?If it's the latter I can roll up a Canopan mechwarrior.Also did I read that correctly that we're using the Smoke Jaguar RAT for the Canopans?
>>98545010Can null your character if you want? Or in this case I'll allow a second character this early just this once?>>98545049It's the latter and yes they're using the Smoke Jaguar RAT. Canopians actually do have Clan tech thanks to taking part in Operation Bulldog.
>>98545009From what's come up in the big ol' interview that Russ Bullock did over on NoGutsNoGalaxy, Clans was mainly fucked by being on gamepass which gave them basically nothing. MW5M gets them recurrent spending over and over every DLC because there's a solid core of players in the tens of thousands who just keep on coming back for it. The quality or style of Clans didn't affect too much, people played it, but they mostly played it on gamepass and were done with it. There's a few other factors in there like timing of release and advertising not being enough but the big one is simply it was on gamepass so hardly anyone bought it in the first place, leaving no install base, so there wasn't any point continuing expansion releases for it for people to go back for.People showed big time for the clans stuff in Mercs as well so it's not that clans themselves are a problem either.
>>98545185Null my character roll for the Canopians.
>>98545232Which character are you for reference?
>>98545239Quintus >>98544286>>98544351
Rolled 1, 4, 4, 3 = 12 (4d6)>>98543807Give me the Elemental Clarissa Smoke Jaguar, who is one deployment away from solahma.
>>98545267>4/6She's first on the Fire Moth and going after whatever has the most PPCs.
>>98545283Bold of you to think the enemy even has PPCs
Fedcom civil war is peak.
>>98545304There's a lot of people who think it is all about Davions and Steiner but there's actually a lot of interesting stuff going on in the 3060s especially in the Periphery often involving some Blakist shenanigans.
>>98545335The 3060s are neat as a backdrop to set your own stories against. The main story isn't too great though. 3150s have the same problem and virtue
>>98545267>>98545283With those stats, she already was solahma but they assigned her to a recently powerwashed BA because the officer in charge doesn't know a solahma from a ristar and saw 8'3" and "infantry" on her file.
>>98543807dice+8d6death to catgirls
>>98545351Goes in the options field.
Rolled 6, 6, 6, 5, 6, 1, 6, 3 = 39 (8d6)>>98545351>>98545361fuck the catgirls are winning already
>>98545347Clearly, he didn't realize the Elementals will have sex with you if you just ask and don't need to be bribed with Battle Armor.
>>98545366What a roll
>>98545366They put their ace in an Enforcer, funniest shit I've ever seen.
>>98545421Dummy. He said the first dice are for the mech roll and then the pilot roll. That's not a 1/2 Enforcer, it's a 3/5 Victor.
>>98544474it's actually a 6/7 the second 2d6 determine final skill as seen here>>98543807
>>98545451+2
>>98545451nvm I didn't see that canopians get +2 to their rolls
>>98545366>Legionnaire Gaius Maximus Chaddus>Victor>Regular xp>3/5The filter had only slipped for a moment but it was enough for Legionnaire Gaius Maximus Chaddus to learn the truth. The canopian catgirl he had spent months e-dating was revealed to be nothing but a 400lb male neckbeard covered in acne and cheeto dust. Gaius had been catfished for the third time. Tears streamed down his face as his thoughts drifted to the cruel mockery he'd endured from his fellow mechwarriors. They had called him an idiot for thinking that a beautiful catgirl would be interested in a minor noble like him. They told him that he should settle down and marry a femboy like every other self respecting heir to a Marian house. But Gaius refused to listen. Now their words struck deep into his broken heart like an ac/20 coring the central torso of a centurian. With his family's reputation in tatters Gaius had no choice but to withdraw from public life. After countless nights spent hiding in the basement of his mother's villa sustained only by the chicken tenders she prepared for him he recieved a piece of anonymous intel. The same neckbeard who had catfished him was sighted answering a call for canopian mercenaries in a comnet channel called "/btg/". No doubt continuing the charade by using the engagement to find other other innocent Marian bachelors to prey upon.A whirlpool of emotions swirled through Gaius as he enlisted to attack on the opposite side. Anger... Shame... Disgust... and something he didn't want to admit to himself. Warm memories of late night rendezvous online and a longing for the intimacy he'd lost. Why does he still have these feelings towards her in spite of everything that happened? Gaius knew that the only way to learn the answer was to climb into the cockpit of his ancestral victor and face down his former love in the fire of battle.
Rolled 6, 2, 4, 1, 1, 5, 1, 1 = 21 (8d6)>>98543807BROTHERS!!! I CALIDUS CANIS SWEAR WE SHALL CONQUER CATGIRL GAUL!!!
>>98545516>fodder in a Hunchback
Rolled 246, 754 = 1000 (2d1000)>>98545185Alright then I'm gonna roll for one of our longhoused Jaguar mechwarriors
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Rolled 4, 3, 4, 2 = 13 (4d6)>>98545558>Puma B configI see he's going to be plinking at range, thenlet's see what skills he has and I'll make a name & brief description.
>>98545535CORRECTION SIR, I AM FODDER IN A PARTYBACK!
>>98545304There is no such thing as FCCW.The FedCom in the year of Our Lord 3145 is ruled by Empress Steiner-Davion-Kurita. Alongside their stauch allies the DC, they guard the Inner Sphere against the ongoing insurgency from WoB guerillas and terror cells, and stand against the rampaging hordes of clanner insanity. Republic, disarmament? No such thing. In fact all world's had to dramatically militarise against the rise of possible WoB and clan raids anywhere at any time.
>>98545421Build a classic enforcer with full clantech and watch it fuck everything dead. 5/8/5 cxlfe, clbx10 or cuac10 and a cerllas? Fucking NOICE. Run and jump around at full speed bounding from cover throwing out jabs with the left, and then roundhouse, uppercuts or haymakers with the the right. One two, one two. Fucking gnarly.
>>98545653Someone made me an enforcer 2c for my bday the sheet was posted here. I'm not at home to share tho, was 45 tonner 5/8/5 2 HML ERLL forgot the rest.
>>98545653For one you can make anything a threat with enough clantech, for two I mistook it as the basic bitch 3025 Enforcer with tin foil for back armor.
>>98545657I still had the image in my old Megamek install, here.
>>98545662Thats my point. In the era of 3145, muh 'ilclan' everyone has had what, a century? For clantech to proliferate. YOUR favourite mech, and everyone else's favourites should all have full clantech fuckawesome.versions by now, so that YOU can keep using your beloved...uh I dunno, Enfield mini? And have it be great on table. So that Dave over there can still use his beloved charger, now with actual weapons! Instead we have a wierd hodgepodge of this facrion gets two or three classics as full clantech, that faction gets 2 others...
>>98545576>>98545576>>98545558>>98543807>4/6 pilotWell it could certainly be worseMechwarrior Chester Smoke Jaguar had always felt more comfortable standing his ground instead of trying to outmaneuver his foes. This made him an adequate gunner but a rather inflexible mechwarrior. During the battle of Luzerne, this unfortunate habit led him to be taken captive by the SLDF forces, and eventually passed off into Canopian custody.As a bondsman, Chester begrudgingly carried out his duties for his new masters (mistresses?) in the MAF. His attitude shifted one day, however, when he happened to accompany his makeshift star-mates to a Canopian den of iniquity. Therein he happened upon one of the Canopian catgirls, whose furred portions happened to have the coloration and patterning of Clan Smoke Jaguar's eponymous feline.Chester has never been the same, and is now one of the Magistracy's most loyal warriors. He will stand and defend this paradise against all barbaric raiders who might wish to steal its delicious fruits.
>>98545671Awesome thanks anon. I've used it a few times since in Table Top night, aside my bad rolls it's really a nice cav unit.
So if most of the warships yards were destroyed durring the Jihad, why none of the Successor States jumped pocket warships wagon, especially dracs and lyrans since they've had to deal with Clans warships all the time? Something like mobile missile boats equiped with few salvos of capital missiles lurking near the jump points to engage arrived warships or cargo ships with equipment (since even clanners cannot attach a McKenna class to each convoy):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqDcnwrsq6U
>>98545978The great houses lost the ability to produce warships during the succession wars
>>98546025But they regained it after Helm's memory core
>>98545978The Regulans had an entire fleet of pocket warships and actual warship and were using it to be a regional menace until the writers needed them to lose and wrote them losing as if they didn't have the fleet at all. Most of the inner sphere warship and pocket warship fleets have mysteriously stopped appearing or mattering in a similar manner.
>>98546047certainly not because HERB is a faggot who hates navy anything.
>>98546051If it was an issue clanners also would lose their ships
>>98545192Feels like cope. Clans has pretty poor reviews because it's MW5 without the good bit and everyone had to start modding again from scratch, and these games are very firmly not worth playing without mods. Gamepass didn't make the people who did buy feel conflicted about its quality. To be frank they just shouldn't have made it and they should've seen this coming, at best this should've been a standalone dlc campaign in mercs. It's very obvious that the mercs structure keeps 5 alive and if you take it out you're just rawdogging their shitty premade missions with zero difficulty balance back to back. Though it's not even just the formula, people were criticizing the writing and the mission structure as well. It's genuinely just a big fumble.
>>98545978The Kuritans did jump on the PWS wagon and built lots of the Nekohono'o
>>98546102You left out how much of a mess it was at launch too. There's only so many times you can put up with the game crashing in the same mission before you've just had enough and uninstall it. I've heard it's better now and I even went back once to try it again and I got past the level that kept crashing, but I just don't really care about the game anymore.
>>98546102You ain't gonna catch me defending them, PGI are just a pretty shitty company, this has been apparent for so many years. They really do put in minimum effort, and blame it on the economics every time. Other studios that actually give a shit have done way more on less even without burning themselves out.I mean to sum it up in a single choice they made: the fact that they picked only a tiny deviation away from John Smith as the name for their main character and gave him the most generic dead dad plot going in MW5M shows how completely fucking devoid in imagination and how risk adverse they are. Fucking Spectre from MW4M has more going for him and he's barely anything but a voice. The only reason they're doing a Mech Commander next (all but confirmed), other than yet more expansions for Mercs, being inevitably Operation Bulldog and maybe serpent at a push or they might just skip to fedcom civil war because fuck it serpent would mean moving away from what they've already built for a bit, is because doing an RTT is really, really fucking cheap and there's basically no competition in the market. They can re-use everything, make it yet another mercs system, it won't need to have any kind of improved graphics (not that anyone is running better hardware anymore), and they can churn it out quickly. They are lazy, dispassionate, slopmongers. And it'll sell because the same idiots that buy every mech pack for MWO and day 1 buy every DLC for MW5 will also turn up and buy it. And their minimum viable product wages will be good for another couple of years.
>2 flavors of bad guys>comically genocidal asians >comically conniving asians>clan invasion>chance to do something different with new era>new bad guys are murderous psychopaths ruled by black peoplewhat did fasa mean by this?
>>98546275Battletech is heavily rooted in 80s yellow peril. Note that while Showers was black, the Clans still are overtly asian with all the Mongolian terms
>>98546297>, the Clans still are overtly asian with all the Mongolian terms
>>98546397They're still ruled by a Khan who's in charge of the Touman
>>98546413Yeah they basically took 3 words from mongols KhanToumanKurultaiThe rest they are Star League (Americano-Russians)
>>98546419The point I'm making is that the mongolian words are there to mark them as bad guys, because battletech is 80s yellow peril.
>>98546424There is also at least one hebrew word (sayla) with plenty of jewish blood names (but a very few asians) and even more english words (aff, neg, quiaff/-neg, safcon, dezgra, chalcas etc)
>>98546430Syllabic abbreviation is also very eastern (and Soviet). Politburo, Comintern, komsomol, Ingsoc etc inspiring safcon batchall, ristar, bondsref, quineg and the like
3/5/3 or 4/6/0?4/6/4 or 5/8/0?
>>98546424>battletech is 80s yellow peril.I think you're overselling this. The game was made by history nerds, and the Hun and Mongol invasions of Europe are more about "existential threat to our civilization from a horde of strange warrior people" than "oh my god guys, the Japanese are taking our jobs and the Chinese communists have nukes now!"
>>98546496Jump capable is ALWAYS, 100% of the time, better. There's never a reason not to have maximum jump capabilities.
>>98546527Explain the Victor then
>>985464965/8/3, ideally with three SRM-2s.
>>98546522Oh. You're that guy.
>>985465222/10
What's the (40 and 60 ton) equivalent cursed weight for the Assault class?
>>98546473>Ingsoc>eastern (and Soviet).
>>98546473>Politburo, Comintern, komsomol,So nothing asian and straight up russian.
>>98546536I don't have to explain the Victor. It's better with jump jets.
>>98546616Russia is Asia, too
>>98546651You know for asians they like to talk about muh christianity, muh rome, muh byzantine a bit too much.
>>98546651Damn Janos looks like a fucking chudjak in the 2994 pic>The Free Worlds League has fallen>Billions must be nuked
>>98546722Janos was The Dude until the Thomas backstab
>>98546735I quite like Janos' custom rifleman
>>98546722That's what piloting a Rifleman does to you.It's kinda weird that he's the only one there who was already in charge during the before pic. He had been Captain-General for three or four years by then.
>>98546770>>98546772Rifleman Chads, rise up!
How many Spider themed 'Mechs outside of the Spider? Had a dumb idea of making a Merc company themed off of Spiderman because some guy found a cache with a bunch of that style of 'Mechs and decided to commit to the bit.
>>98546822Tarantula
>>98546822Venom is basically a super-Spider, and is named after a Spiderman villain.
>>98546822Spider, Tarantula, Venom (what if Spider, but big?), and Bishamon (what if big Spider, but bigger? And quad?)
>>98546822Scorpion?
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>>98546921
>>98546822Tolva
>>98545630>The Victor wasn't a cuck and married Omiko Kurita timeline.This would be legit a fun AU.>>98546187>PGI doing mechcommanderThat would be a clusterfuck of epic proportions. PGI can't into scripting or mission design. Designing a good RTT requires someone with good imagination to design levels and campaigns, PGI has demonstrated repeatedly they have nobody with that capability working for them.>>9854658640 and 60 tons aren't as cursed as you'd think especially once lostech is involved. 40 tons in particular the curse is just having very bad unoptimized designs since if you made say a 6/9 40 ton Wolfhound it'd be pretty damn strong.Though if looking to decide on a cursed assault tonnage and assuming introtech for arguments sake then I'd say 90 tons is where it gets a bit sketchy. You can make a 4/6 85 ton mech with reasonable loadout options, you can't do that for 90 tons. You can also make a 3/5/3 85 ton mech with the same available tonnage as a 3/5/3 90 ton mech since 90 tons where you start paying 2 tons per jump jet. So yeah 90 tons is where the maths means it would be more efficient to either go lighter or heavier depending on what you want to do with it.>>98546778I really just don't get why people like the Rifleman. Lancelot all the way!
>>98547088>I really just don't get why people like the Rifleman. Lancelot all the way!Rifleman walked so Lancelot could run.
Is there a Rifleman variant that switches the LLs with ERLLs, and the AC5s with Light AC5s, and basically flips the range bands?Because that'd be cool
>>98547143-7N comes close
>>98546056That would involve writers trying to be consistent and not resorting to fiat.
>>98547143sorry, that's mauler 4r. ac2 get swapped for lac5's and the larges for clan er larges.
>>98546187Where was a new Mech Commander hinted at?
>>98546496Depends on mech. >>98546511Who cares about IP 40 years ago? Fun fact my great uncle died on the indy. Grandpa basso saw tons of combat and never forgave em. He wasn't a racist just an old timey who saw horrors.Now even not as racist, yellow peril gave us a great starting from BT. Basically everyone whos not 1488 or pure SJW can just enjoy BT, faggots like you are well faggots.
>>98547634NTA, but I think that what anon was getting at is that saying yellow peril is a lot like saying red scare, implying that the threat wasn't actually real so therefore just people being racist, when like you said, it's not. Sure wasn't racist having all the Japanese businessmen investors in my Saturday morning cartoons.
Gothic maps uploaded to the Drop Folder. Now to wait for Cranston to got them to the trove.And as always, delenda est CGL!
>>98544750>Don't talk to me or my musuko ever again!
Saw this just now. If you got 75 bucks + shipping, this could interest you. Artist (John Zeleznik) is offering to sell it signedfacebook com/photo/?fbid=10239888318097733&set=a.10237376775710743
>>98547778I'm curious because I've never printed a BT map: what do you tell the people at the printers, like what paper format and dimensions do you give them? since I doubt you print it at home (I guess you could but stitching together A2 pages sounds very tedious)
>>98548048Exactly. I usually bring an official map so the printing shop guys can see what size i am talking about. Cant remember the exact size name, but last time i could get 4 maps in one printing (2x2). I have printed in regular paper or in vinil.
>>98548048Bringing them an official one to get them to match it is easiest on them and you, yeah
Whee.
>>98548181Who are the combatants?
>>98548191
>>98545009I'm in the "own all the DLC for 5, never played Clans" crowd. MW:5 has a pretty robust mod community that generally makes stuff that can work together that keeps up with updates, uploads to the Steam workshop for maximum ease of use. It's a very cozy ecosystem and I was going to wait for Clans to mature somewhat before jumping over there. Obv that never happened, Clans did not bring anything really besides the first game to feature anything more advanced than 3040s IS tech in 20 years and had a bunch of stumbles early on. The inclusion of boss fights was really awful. The engine that was supposed to be better managed to be worse than the duct taped together abomination that 5 is currently. It would have basically depended on getting drive by purchasers / console kids except it's also the most autistic and unrelatable shit you could start someone off with in the lore. Once they officially moved the timeline on 5 to the actual Clan Invasion it was pretty much a dead game. People really just wanted Clan tech anyway
Rolled 1, 2, 6, 6, 5, 3, 3, 1 = 27 (8d6)>>98543807They don't want you to know this but the Canopians you see on Holovids are free. I have 38 Canopians back home. - Marceus "Strabo" McDonald
>>98543807>>98548297LDX-2 Brigand25 tons, two ER ML and four RL-15s... I guess being 4/6 isn't that big a deal, I am pretty sure anything that would be forcing a PSR is going to slag this mech anyway.Marc McDonald came fresh from Canopian space with a bounty and his disassembled 'mech stashed in a cargo hauler. Nobody asked where he got his 'mech. Nobody asked about the bounty. He even dodged being sent to a penal unit by volunteering for a front line mission right back where he had come from. Some people would have called him an outlaw before but to him it didn't look too different from the other side. It was all just dust and scorched metal and hoping you pass out with a full stomach when the job is done.Same as it ever was.
>>98548251>Ophelia Butte Hold, haha!
>>98547634You're not a good person.
>>98548520You don't play BT faggot.
>>98547517Same interview with NoGutsNoGalaxy>>98547088>That would be a clusterfuck of epic proportions. Yeah I can't wait to see it drop and it literally just being Mechwarrior 5 missions from a remote camera view. Because it's the laziest most obvious thing for them to do. That's all they'd see it as, just boiled down to simplicity: go over here shoot this thing, go over here, shoot this thing, the mission generator put some units in the way along the way. That's all it is right? Pacing? Varied objectives? Mixed goals? Proper map design that lets the player and the enemy units operate in the way you want them to? Nah fuck it pump it out the random generation machine.
>>98548733how can pig be stopped
I likes the rifleman what wears a hat.
>>98549002The card game Glass Spider's the only one who ever wore the hat right.
>>98548733Isn't there already a MC mod for M5?
>>98549335Yeah, the people behind it have spoken with PGI about it, and that's probably what sold the fuckers on the idea.>>98548860Some kind of large pointy stick maybe?
>>98549349>Yeah, the people behind it have spoken with PGI about it, and that's probably what sold the fuckers on the idea.Well how good is the Mod?If Piggy is just passing off other peoples work, those people might have actually put effort into it.Also had my first encounter with the new Book's Mission System; Can't say I'm a fan since "Extraction" is just One side starts half in the middle and I didn't know "Victory Points" were scored on Unit Battle Value.Instead of Three 3/5 Pilots and a Fourth 4/5, I could have brought five standard mechs for 6000 or three Upgraded pilots for 2000 a Mech.
>>98549349>Yeah, the people behind it have spoken with PGI about itThey work for PGI now.>>98549409>Well how good is the Mod?The mod was a proof of concept but not really functional anymore. Even then it was like having a group of braindead AI that struggled to take a legged Locust 2ft in front of them cause PGI can't figure out how to make your pilots improve properly.
>>98549952>Even then it was like having a group of braindead AI that struggled to take a legged Locust 2ft in front of themOof, so these guys aren't improving the AI or anything...
>>98550049It can't BE improved. Limitation of the engine.
>>98550049They might but considering that a lot of stuff in Clans was legit a ctrl+f from Mercs I don't think they will.>>98550110It can actually. They never finished the scripting that lets them do that. Nothing to do with the engine just PGI's shit coding.
BTW, have anyone managed to scan this mapset?
>>98549002Which one?
Would you rather have a Firebee WAM-B or WI-WAM?
>>98550636From a purely monetary perspective, the museum piece would be worth more in the Dark Age. I'd sell it and at least get a real bug. Ideally, if I got my pick, I'd grab a Chingchong as the most advanced Firebee.
>>98550807For whatever reason, a ton of manufacturers decided the primitive 'bee was the way to arm up, and for much less explainable reasons, it's one of the primitives that remained in production and use.
>>98550825Weird. I knew the primitive Toro stayed in production past the Jihad, but I always assumed the Firebee got canned like the Mackie.Now I kinda want one in my Regulans...
>>98549326>Not the Unseen IIC 1The Humble Boatman remains the best.
>>98548860
>Omen 2Anybody ever run one of these things before? It has HarJel III, which I have never used before, but it sounds absolutely silly to have a mech that regenerates health every turn. I *have* used the Omen (Standard) before but I didn’t get a good chance to assess how I like it because it took a sensor crit on turn 1 and missed everything for the rest of the game.
Getting back into the tabletop game after 35 years. Well, Alpha Strike anyway. Settling up for Scouring Sands.
>>98551568Welcome back.That's a handsome Hunchie!
So I decided to try some Celestial omnis in an actual game, and damn are these zombies hard to kill. Whoever said the Archangel was bad hasn't played one.
Get out of here, Stalker.Also some tiny little hovers. Was kind of lazy painting them because they're so small.
>>98551672Nice. Pic is a little blurry but your white looks good. What's your process? Planning on painting up some Lyran Guards and Comstar myself but I'm worried my white is going to look like shit.
>>98551839Off-white over light blueish-gray basecoat. I've normally used Ulthuan Grey for white, as it's close enough to true white while being easier to paint, but I think GW has fucked up with their paint formula since recently I've had issues with the paint and medium separating in the pot and the paint having very poor coverage. It worked fine here, but the FWL mech I painted a few weeks earlier with the same paint required so many coats to get any coverage that it obscured some of the details.Lyran Guard isn't too bad to paint since you only need to do about 1/3rd of the mech in white, and it's pretty easy to just drybrush the right side and then fix the border between the blue and white.
>>98551961>Ulthuan GreyI had the same shit happen to my pot of that stuff, very frustrating
>>98551982>>98551961unless you have it brand new never been touched, a whole bunch of GW's paints need to be shaken like its a baby you hate and are trying to kill, because a bunch of them are all fucked up like that and you have to pretend to be a paint mixing machine to semi- unfuck them.so.. uh... enjoy looking like you're having a furious wank shaking gw's shitty pots.
>>98551961Thanks. Only recently got back into mini painting after a decade or two out of it. So far I've painted up a company of "my guys" that had white "heads" and "hands", but I used a black primer and tried to build up to white. Ended up having to do multiple layers of army painter Matt white which left the paint looking thick, flat and impossible to highlight. Feel like it stands out too much against the red that most of the models are that I was able to highlight and get a bit of a gradient on. I'll try a lighter primer and base coat when painting my lyrans.
>>98552012https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3VQfTzZH4
>>98552012I actually used black primer for my Lyrans, since the 2/3rds of the mech that is blue works better with black primer. I just painted a light grey (specifically blueish gray, since it's a "cold" shade that works well with white) on the white side before starting to apply the white.
>>98552101>>98552133Cheers both. Will post results when they're done.
>>98545009Piss poor optimization.Story-focused game without much of a story (although cinematics done pretty well).Cobalt Star story certainly lacks of relevant screen time to develop characters beyond their basic cliches.Bears story was more or less coherent.Wolves, none fucking cares about Wolves, Tukayyd campaign from ComGuard perspective would be much more interesting.And add bad encounter design as cherry on top.
>>98552382>Tukayyd campaign from ComGuard perspectiveAll the normal spawns are on your side.AI is too retarded to defend itself.Great Success.
>>98552515You also forget>Clanbusters will have SHS cause PGI doesn't believe IS has access to DHS
>>98545009I think a serious part of the problem is that the average gamer wasn't born yet the last time there was a game in this setting that featured the Clans in any form, and we haven't had a game where they player was a Clanner since Mechwarrior 2 released over 30 years ago.We've got a whole generation of fans who have only seen the setting in the context of the late Succession Wars era that both the Battletech strategy game and the Mechwarrior 5 base game were set in. For an audience like that, the Clans are just a really weird plot twist that comes out of nowhere. It's like, "Who are these autistic furries and what are they doing in my gritty mercenary game?"
>>98552004Throw a bb or glass bead in them and use a tattoo ink mixer that costs like $15. I have to do that with my paints I don't use much like once a year and add a little water. I actually have some Ral Partha paints from the 90's that are still good. They made my absolute favorite purple and yellow ink wash.
>>98552572To be fair it's more like writting problem, because Clans campaigns really lacking some time to dive into the whole Clan thing, like trials,inter-caste interactions, banters, etc.
>>98552572>We've got a whole generation of fans who have only seen the setting in the context of the late Succession Wars eraThat does tally up with my experiences of introducing people to tabletop. A lot of them start with introtech then go off on their own to experiment with 3039 before bouncing hard off Clans as they don't like the way it changes the game outside the few who are the equivalent of "that guy" whom naturally can't wait to stack as many Clan pulse boats they can.PGI has it in their mindset they can get the MW2 audience while forgetting that audience is made up of mainly dead or dying Boomers. There are a lot of references in their games to stuff that happened in sourcebooks but again they also forget the average person who played a MW vidya title has never read a sourcebook in their life. So they end up producing shovelware slop which tries to survive by key jangling "remember this character and event?" which very few people will understand and get.
>>98552685>don't like the way it changes the game outside the few who are the equivalent of "that guy" That's really a flaw inherent in the Battletech ruleset and has been a source of controversy since like 1990.The tonnage, heat, and damage of weapons was balanced based on single heatsinks. Once you add double heatsinks to the mix, whether Clan or reintroduced Lostech, you suddenly create a game in which some weapons are just plain better than others in a way that isn't reflected in their cost.
>>98552004There's this ancient and forbidden technique called "stirring". But be discrete about it, the cool kids will never accept you into their midst if you do anything to imply that dropper bottle aren't always and in every way better than pots.
>>98552731Not helped by lasers being even more clearly superior in the games than they are in the tabletop, which is saying a lot. Imagine already having everyone naturally build towards laser boating and then the big tech advancement is to take their one weak point and fix it. Clan invasion is a pretty terrible upgrade to the gameplay side of the tech in the videogames, it's just rich get richer.
D.R.T. just got dropped in audiobook format, will be dropping into the Archive when I get the chance.
>>98552755>There's this ancient and forbidden technique called "stirringGay
>>98553322Are thevGSL and other audiobooks anywhere? I'm not seeing them.
>>98553744*GDL
>>98553749All the current audiobooks available are in the archives, even the old crappy ones.
>>98553932OK, I found it, I was looking in the one with the ebooks. Thanks
>>98551568Scouring Sands is a great campaign, you'll have fun with it! Don't get too caught up by the Aces cards, follow the intent and the AI still acts pretty smart.There's plenty of replay in Scouring Sands too.
Which was more devastating: the 1st SW or the 2nd?
>>98554378The first by a mile. The second was already moving into cripple fight territory where everything was getting spent by the end.The who "Last battle of the last X" stuff is cool in the 2nd, though.
>>98552620The ball bearing works too. It's all about violence of action forcibly re mixing ingredients.>>98552755No where near violent enough to re mix. Unless you're going to whisk the paints.
>>98554398>"Last battle of the last X"Can you elaborate please?
I've decided to get a sort of Planetary Empires set of map hexes to run campaigns. Are there actual rules for running campaigns like this? If not I was gonna do something simple
>>98553932Did Shrapnel 25 ever get uploaded?
>>98551646thank you! He is a very dashing Hunchback.>>98554323Ive been watching a few videos on gameplay for it. Looks a bit rough at times....
>>98548733Sorry to ask for the joke to be explained but I don't speak japanese. What's the reporter asking and what's the Atlas pilot saying? Google translate isn't giving me a good picture.
>>98555406It's a take on this viral moment from a Japanese tv show.
>>98555406"LRM shower while I'm with my lover make the moment feel special, so I like it."
Do you guys have any 3D print-on-demand shop you can recommend? I got only a couple stls I'd like to print, so I don't know I want whole set of printer for that
>>98556005No, you pay your dues to the LDS as is proper
>>985543781st Succession War burned down the library. 2nd pissed all over what remained. In terms of wholesale destruction the 1st was way more devastating. In terms of being able to recover and starting the true downward spiral of lostech then the 2nd was more devastating for humanity as a whole as although by the end of the 1st Succession War the Inner Sphere had been brutalized they still had the ability to recover what was lost and were in the process of rebuilding before the 2nd kicked off.>>98554665NTA but there were a few desperate last roll of the dice attempts normally involving warships with the Lyrans for example using their last remaining Tharkad to lift the siege of Hesperus and smash the remaining Combine warship fleet.>>98552801They tried to make the Davionman method viable and technically it would be if they didn't throw unreasonable hordes at the player making it a nobrainer to go energy boat.
Amaris did nothing wrong.Richard Cameron was an imbred retard and SLDF was led by incompetent slav.
>>98552572Honestly I feel the current time period (3152, third star league) is a great period for a mech warrior game with all the different sides and minor skirmish scale conflicts. Personally how I would have it set up>Custom character creation like the Paradox published battletech game, can have parents be clan descended>Customizable starting mechs through a point buy system vaguely analogous to BV (obviously not 1 to 1 price)>Flashpoints and campaign scenarios are built around you picking sides and effecting the outcome of conflicts within the inner sphereIt is weird how the mech warrior games still don't have customizable characters and background especially when shit like character appearance and gender plays no role in a game like mercenaries (at least clans it would be weird of your character was a mandigo sized black man surrounded by normal whiteish people who are purportedly your full blooded siblings).
>>98556711His only real mistake was trying to sell our the other periphery states to try to get Kerensky to bend the knee, both because Kerensky would never but also he alienated the Periphery when they inevitably found out and it was the Periphery backing Kerensky that gave the SLDF the needed base to actually win the war. Even the RWR ended up being fractured between Amaris' yes men and RWR citizens pissed off about everything, with the latter oftentimes joining hands with the SLDF. If Amaris hadn't tried to a pointless backstab, the SLDF forces under Kerensky very likely would have floundered and been slowly ground down via attrition, and Amaris night have genuinely won.
>>98556711Kerensky was the biggest retard in the setting at least for actions. Leave an impressionable idiot in the care of a psycho who hates the Star League, leave to fight a distant war and withdraw forces from the core of the Terran Hegemony to do so, and after everything is settled just fucking off from the Inner Sphere instead of trying to preserve the Hegemony or playing kingmaker.Hell if Kerensky was willing to play kingmaker they could have probably just destroyed the other four great houses and had a truly united Inner Sphere.
>>98556763>, leave to fight a distant war and withdraw forces from the core of the Terran HegemonyCannot blame him. He was a spheroid and a russian. Bingo for small, special military operation in the Periphery.>year later> By this point Kerensky had lost the equivalent of 140 divisions, nearly a million soldiers
>>98556747For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Clan sibkos can have pretty different looking people in them because of how the genetic engineering process works. Isn't the deal that instead of having two "parents", they're all made up of DNA from a bunch of different people?
>>98556840I always assumed it was just two shared parents eg. A Ward-Kerensky sibko might be made up of the progeny of Vladimir Ward and Natasha Kerensky instead of any combination of Wards and Kerenskys.
>>98556747>It is weird how the mech warrior games still don't have customizable characters and background especially when shit like character appearance and gender plays no role in a game like mercenariesThey wanted to do it for MW5 Mercs. They basically abandoned it at some point during development. Can still see references to it cause Mason is in fact classed as a girl according to his character card in the game files.>>98556763>Hell if Kerensky was willing to play kingmaker they could have probably just destroyed the other four great houses and had a truly united Inner Sphere.Then you'd probably get Herbs nightmare scenario aka Empires Aflame where the Terran Hegemony didn't fall, tech did advance but there's no Clan tech and most horrific of all, every faction still has some LAMs and warships.
>>98556953LAMs are destined to be either inferior to battlemechs, or render them obsolete completely.
>>98556953>Can still see references to it cause Mason is in fact classed as a girl according to his character card in the game files.Are you misgendering Mason just because he was assigned female at birth? It doesn't matter what his records say, what matters is Mason's true gender identity.
>>98556953>Can still see references to it cause Mason is in fact classed as a girl according to his character card in the game files.I assumed that was because the protagonist's gender was changed at some point in the development. The MWO promo items for MW5 preorder with the protag merc company logo refer to the unit as "Chloe's Cavaliers", while in the game they're called Nick's Cavaliers. That suggests to me that the original protagonist was a female mechwarrior called Chloe, but it got changed at some point, leaving the original gender of the character still in the game files.
>>98556840Clanners do have a "genefather" and "genemother", though the terms only indicate which donor's DNA was used for which gamete. Theoretically the same person could be both the genefather and genemother, but they generally prefer to mix the genes of two people to create new genetic combinations. I don't remember if all sibko members have the same geneparents, or just the genemother. Bloodnames are traced based on the genemother so that's the name that is used for the sibko, but I'm not sure if the genefathers can be different between sibkin.
>>98556991There's leftover entries for a gender toggle where players could have made their character male or female. So being able to pick your gender at the very least was on the table. Probably was scrapped mostly out of financial concern i.e. having to pay two voice actors.
>>98556964LAMs we're still experimental enough, that a timeline where the SLDF didn't fall likely would have had the Terrans keep experimenting with the concept long enough that by the current period Mechs would be basically be Armored Cores.
>>98556964I mean you can already see this. The mechs aren't getting that much tougher but they are getting lighter and faster, and accurate enough to fire on the move. It's steadily reinventing LAMs from first principles, especially whoever invents overed boost.
>>98557044We've already seen glider protomechs like the Svartalfa work in universe. All it takes is one faction wondering if you can do LANs without the transformation gimmick and suddenly the battlefield is full of Battlemechs gliding around like they're Gungriffins.
>>98557008> Bloodnames are traced based on the genemother so that's the name that is used for the sibko, but I'm not sure if the genefathers can be different between sibkin.Unless new warrior made out of genes of the Bloodhouse founder.Or freeborn descendants like Phelan.
>>98557008My question is do they have sibkos where both parents share the same bloodname? After all actual genetic separation could be several generations between people with the same bloodname.
>>98557009It also means if animate a cutscene you have to do it twice for every part Mason is in.>by the current period Mechs would be basically be Armored Cores.Kerensky's crimes are truly unforgivable.
LAMs in the mechwarrior games when?Quads in the mechwarrior games when?Quadvees in the mechwarrior games when?Superheavy tripods in the mechwarrior games when?
>>98557500Never because the devs are hacks that can't even make a functioning AI, let alone introduce entirely new mech types. It took a stupid amount of time just to get fucking melee weapons, let alone transforming mechs. It's a shame too, because being able to switch between stompy mech gameplay and Ace Combat style ASF gameplay on the fly sounds really cool on paper.
>>98557664>sounds really cool on paper.Go play Space marine 2
>>98557664Grab Macross Triangle Frontier and cheat so you can use units cross-series.
>>98555107Yeah, its with the rest of the Shrapnel magazines.
>>98557500That would require non-awful level design, at the very least.
Does anyone know if a formula exists for converting TW aerospace fighters into aerospace BSP Assets yet?Looking to test them out for integration into a campaign where we already have aerospace fighters. Right now they're just chucks of BV to be converted into strikes, but the assets seem like a good low-overhead way to give them some more flavor and interaction with ground units. So I need a way to convert units that don't already have cards provided with the playtest.
>>98559155I don't think the formula even exists to turn tanks into assets yet. At least not publicly. Assets are already an iffy proposition, but the lack of hard rules to make them is stopping a ton of players from even considering the idea.
>>98559264hmm. perhaps I'll have to look into a way to adapt the abstraction of the aerospace mapsheet to work with TW record sheets. that would probably end up being easier.
>>98555035>I've decided to get a sort of Planetary Empires set of map hexes to run campaigns. Are there actual rules for running campaigns like this? If not I was gonna do something simpleThis is exactly how Map Campaign Anon got his name.
>>98557117There’s a case in IlClan recognition guide 7 where two hell’s horses warriors of bloodname Cobb serve together, and one is specifically the genefather of the other, so unless horses disregard the usual genemother bloodname only rule, that means that sibko was all Cobb.
>>98559424As far as I know, the only clan to change up that rule is woof, and only very recently because they literally couldn't scrape up enough maternal geneheritage warriors to fire off a bloodname trial across the whole clan. They let a warrior legalese around it by claiming that because the very first set of bloodname trials allowed the participants to choose either maternal or paternal, any warrior ever *could* have chosen to trace paternal, they just... didn't. This was backed by the loremaster and khan because they really wanted the "moral" win of still being able to fire off at least one blood trial.
>>98556575What is the name of the jumping mech in pic?
Does anyone know if you can refit a mech to a different version in MeqHQ? Like if I want to swap a Locust 1V to a 1E, can I do that?
>>98559527Starslayer
>>98559617Yes you can. And refits in general are easier and cheaper than normal customisation
>>98559678Navigating the menus is hard sometimes, where do I find the refit option?
>>98555107Thanks for reminding me it exists.Ace Darwin's great-granddaughter has run off in a Wight to be a mercenary because they wouldn't let her take the original Panther. Why a Wight and not any of the myriad other options available? Because it's based on a Panther.
Does anyone know where I could find the ace cards for alpha strike, especially scouring sands?I'm tired of having to buy full-priced boxes for a handful of tokens.
>>98548181oh my goodness anon. What's the point value's here or is it campaign specific scenario so it doesn't matter?As well, curious how long games like this usually take you ? When I'm playing 8K BV and above the games are already 5 hrs and we're rarely using more than 4-5 mechs per side.Glorious either way
>>98560440I don't have the first clue what the BV is. It's a campaign, so I don't really care: the OPFOR is the OPFOR and they can deal with it. Balance is for tournaments and LGS pickup games with strangers, and both of those are the *worst* way to play BattleTech.We start our games at ~10am on Saturdays, and they run until ~530pm, with a 45 minute lunch break. This game got 13 turns in, and ended with all of 4 Lyran units left on the board, but the Warhammer and Zeus were retreating back to their board edge, so it was a clear decision. Keep in mind my "low population" days have 10 players on the board, and high population days can push 20.Incidentally, this is the next scenario. The PCs were complaining that they expected more Lyran Wall of Steel stuff on this contact so I adjusted the OPFOR generation in AtB a little bit. To make them happy.they are not happy
>>98560440Anon, you are talking to the GM of what is basically a group of professional battletech players, half of whom got made demo agents so they would stop winning all of the events at gencon all the time. They know the rules better than the devs. Their resolution time per unit is probably 1/10th of what yours is because they've all been playing for 20+ years. Don't compare your home games to what NEA posts. Use it as inspiration to work towards and understand it's going to take a decade of regular play to get there. I do mean a decade. It took me 5 years to get my group to stop pickup play and start a campaign, and we had multiple campaigns crash out. It's been 12 years since we started, and we're only finally now playing games that approach this size and speed of how the Cincy boys play.
>>98560639Nta, but do your players roll up a single mechwarrior or a lance?
>>98561096The format of the campaign is that each player is responsible for the complete upkeep, logistics, and maintenance on a single lance, with no crossover of parts or personnel between lances. The Unit CO handles support forces and unit-level issues (DropShips, ASFs, administrative personnel, etc.). The classic problem with a full AccounTech campaign is that one poor bastard gets stuck with the maintenance and logistics for the entire unit, and burns out. Aside from scheduling issues, that kills more campaigns than anything else. So this solution has seems to solve that problem.Give me a bit and I'll upload the campaign ruleset to somewhere and link it. I miss being able to attach PDFs.
>>98560639you clearly know what BV if you frequent this board and get offended at it's mere mention.>>98560779I do not consider this level of play a goal, I was just curious. 8hrs sounds about right if you knew what you were doing.
>>98561190Here you go. Two hosting services so hopefully one works correctly.>limewire com/d/CIKmD#KqQvpIJCFY>files catbox moe/wa1ebh.pdf>>98561205Relax, my man. Nobody's offended by the existence of BV. If I'm offended by anything, I'm offended by the people who think that games must be balanced in order to be acceptable or fun, and while BV does enable those people, that's not the fault of Battle Value for existing.>we auditioned a new player a few months back. Since we play in the home ballroom of one of our players, we vet people before letting them join, so run them through a couple of solo games to get to know them and make sure they know how to play first. Dude got mad in the LGS, and made a bit of a scene and insisted that the game was unfair because his side was at 3989 BV in a 4000 BV game, when the other force was at 3993 BV. We did not move forward in adding him to our group.
>>98561205>>98560440Anon he's answering your question. You asked what the point value was, and he answered that he doesn't have the first clue of what the BV (point value) is. He's not saying he doesn't know what the concept of BV in general is.
>>98561272What the fuck? I'm generally pretty strict about BV limits (if we're playing at 8000, 8001 is a no go) but I also tend to be 50-100 under the line anyway. How would you even close such a small gap? Completely rework your entire force by changing variants and piloting skills until you stumbled on a perfect match? Add a single squad of low skill rifle infantry?
>>98561190I am logistics man for my ACKS rpg game and I can totally understand the burnout.
>>98560639Jesus christ. So if I am reading this right, you essentially have 8v10 lance game and finish in about 8 hours.That's insanely fast.
>>98561272Thanks for the updated document NEA. Just now i am organizing to re-start a small capaign. 5 pilots, small time merc unit in 3023.
damn, having a partial cover was actually detrimental back then?
>>98561435You still got the defense bonus so you could ride the outside of the dice curve (like force your opponant to 10's or 11's when you're riding 9's) but you were fucked if they hit.
>>98561482TRVE Battletech is having a gauss rifle roll a 6 on the punch table. Only pussy ass millenials like that change.
>>98561525>6 on Gauss against partial cover.Ah yes, a true turrettech connoisseur. Our DVS-2 is a 3049, an exceptional vintage.How would you like your heavy woods prepared today, sir? With or without light smoke?
>>98560440We usually play Company V Company games. 3 x merc players (roughly a lance each) vs DM with Opfor. Roughly speaking 12-15kpts value in a campaign game. Takes us anywhere from 6-8 hours depending on how long my teamates dither about making fucking decisions. Yes I care that it took you ten fucking minutes to figure out where you were going to move that Atlas. ITS GOT THREE FUCKING MP AT A WALK IT ISN'T THAT FUCKING COMPLEX REEEEEE.We'd probably get it done faster if they could make a choice worth a damn.
>>98561550I can do company v. company against my bud in about 5 hours with Helm tech. Grogtech drags out longer and clan v. IS is about the same because of trying to abuse the better weapons and protect the lighter armor for the BV. However, I'm the one making all the decisions strategically, so probably save some time there. Counting hexes is still what takes me the longest. I can eyeball it, but I have to count when a hex or two matters in a range bracket for firing phase.
>all the shortest paths to the target hex are illegal for the jumping ’MechWhen is this true? Can't really picture this condition in my head
>>98561580Your height capable by jump is only equal to your total JJ movement. If you have to cross a height 12 mountain with a 5/8/5, that's illegal. Or when you would hit a cavern ceiling. There's some nasty Solaris Maps like this and Devil's Bath IIRC.
>>98561571Yeah.FWIW, we're set in about 3060, but no clan tech. (We're in the boonies in the pereiphery, and the only helm-level stuff we realistically have is what we brought with us. So we're limited force too and limited pilots. I've already lost 4 (2 in one game!) so its quite fun. I wish i'd brought more mediums.
>>98561592Oh, I see. Thanks. Most of the time I played with maps which Jump 3 was sufficient for terrain-crossing I couldn't think of that becoming a problem
>>98561592This is why Urbanmechs and Shadow Hawks are even worse than they look on paper. You don't even need to have buildings on the field for jump 2 or 3 to fail to cross terrain.
>>98561637Urbanmechs pretty much get to use their jets for free turning and crossing rough terrain hexes or landing in some woods in the park.
>>98561646Hopping from street to street just over level 1 buildings is useful enough for a defender; as well as climbing little sturdy buildings for elevated shooting.The free turning and jumping TMM when they go in is useful though and arguably more important for sure.
>skipped battletech night to go on fun road trip>hit pothole that caused flat tire partway into road trip>by the time i hobbled into town on my spare, all places that could provide a replacement are closed>have to get hotel room and wait for tomorrow to get new tire so i can get homeI won't skip Battletech night in the future. My group is having fun without me
>>98561746Shame, friend. I hope you get to enjoy the rest of your road trip, tomorrow.If it makes you feel better, I had a locked caliper on my rear wheel this morning that made my wheel smoke, but, thankfully, my tire didn't explode or catch fire. Just nearly caught on fire. Still made it to work with my spare vehicle after limping home and got voluntold to be part of an outreach thing on Thursday. Now, I've semi-responsibly stopped eating leftover ribs from Sunday and have switched to a salad and whiskey. Fuck Mondays. Glad to be here with you lovable bastards, though.
>>98557500>Quads in the mechwarrior games when?>Quadvees in the mechwarrior games when?>Superheavy tripods in the mechwarrior games when?Hopefully never. They all suck.
>>98560779There's that dickriding again.
>>98561858Nigga, you are getting mad at some other guy reading the legitimate titles and status of a storied player. You may not like them but they're not fake. Besides, oldfags know how useful he's been. Motherfucker identified a Tiger LotB mini for me of like 10 ever produced that landed in my collection. That alone is worth more than whatever your sniveling idol toppling has ever pretended to do.
>>98561874You're the one that sounds mad here dickrider.
>>98561888>No uI told you I wasn't the one that originally replied to you, bro. Facts is facts, though. NEA has contributed more to this game and this thread than you ever will. You can cry and gnash your teeth about that however you want. Those of us who have been here a long time recognize value.
>>98561837shit your pants
>>98561933Jokes on you, I'm wearing yours.
>>98561550So we use "1 card per player" initiative, and have a specific "on deck" call, so you can start thinking about your move before it's your turn. Then you have 60 seconds to actually make your move, though it's a *soft* limit when someone is having to run high MP units or make skidding/standing/sideslipping rolls during the movement. If you didn't move your unit in time? It's stationary that turn, put a 6 on the movement die. Does it feel bad to do that? Yes, it does. "Feels bad" moments can also be teaching moments, and doing this to force people to move faster trains them to move faster. Which means that, by now, I don't usually even have to mention a time limit; my players move fast and make decisions without needing to be reminded.Players will usually adjust to the expectations you hold for them as long as you're open and up front about it, and apply those expectations fairly across the board. If they aren't capable of doing that, then, frankly, you probably don't want them on your table anyway.
At this point i just dont care anymore, i just enjoy the burning trashbin that Battletech lore is becoming....
>>98562030>author of 834 BattleTech novels>eight hundred and thirty fournigga WAT
>>98562030If I ever win the lottery, the retcons will begin with ropes and trees.
>>98562058https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR8D50G2B9M
>>98562218https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaYjscvdJlQ
>>98562249Didn't make it 45 seconds into the video award
>>98562030If you haven't learned when to declare things canon or not yet, then you're in for a rough time.>>98561837It's really weird how many battletech/mechwarrior fans think quads are stupid. Pure cultural momentum from when they decided to make them a non-starter?
I'm sick of the video games being mid and refuse to leave my house. Are solo megamek campaigns any good?
>>98561272Is that campaign ruleset something focused purely around a Wargaming campaign, or is it viable for a TTRPG campaign as well?
>>98562320>refuse to leave my houseget over it
>>98562379no. you wouldnt want me at your table anyway.
>>98562320Do you have an example of something you think is good?
>>98562391ive never played a tabletop simulator before so im just wondering if the ai holds up and so on
>>98562409Princess is notorious. Also it's a simulator first and a shiny fun time gamebox second. A simulator of a fun game, but still a simulator.
>>98562030Nothing by Mr 'likes to rape them' young, the gay faggot paedophile, is canon. Ever.
>>98562389Then be a better person or just die already. The world already has enough shit people. You will not be missed.
>>98562306Just grogs being retarded.>>9856232just get ACES so you can automate your opfor
>>98562513didnt realize that wanting to have fun by myself in the privacy of my home should be punishable by death
>>98562537get aces, fuck all the haters REEEtarding out ITT. you do you man. have all the fun games you want with physical minis and games yourself.
>>98562537It's a social hobby. Be social or get out. If you can't be social, then fix your attitude.
>>98562666which is why people like orson welles, Rob howard, various emporers and kings, princes, potentates and merchant captains all played wargames... by letter with each other, or alone.
How hard would it be to hide/find mothballed JumpShip or WarShip in space (like in astroid belt or something)? Or DropShip on a planet?
>>98562666why would anyone want to socialize with someone who wishes death upon them?
>>98562768That is an incredibly vague question.
>>98562768Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.
>watch stream of friends having a blast with MW5 Mercs>get neuron activation on cool big robots >dig through Sarna, get information overload on mechs, there's a lot holy shit>also dig through what minis are on sale and look into the tabletop, and the bigass guide in the OP>only conniption is that another set of starter boxes are rolling out tooIt's all very cool but I am getting a bit overwhelmed. As I understand it, there's different eras and the Clans have divergent designs and culture from the Inner Sphere. Otherwise, got a few questions.>do people mostly or exclusive play in matching eras like a pseudohistorical, and does this have gameplay ramifications to the mech statlines>would the existing essentials box with the two models be good for onboarding other locals and myself into the game for a start>does any media in particular stand out to get a better read and understanding of the setting and then some, as i imagine one can try a bit better than just mercs for /yourdudes/>for making an Inner Sphere force, are there any suggestions on what lance boxes to pick up? what seems to be iconic looks cool and all but i imagine going off that alone would just end up with a less coherent composition>is the upcoming starter box better suited in starting a Clan-based force? don't mind necessarily waiting a bit for the updated rulebook before playing the full gameThink that's about it from the top of my head.
>>98562913>do people mostly or exclusive play in matching eras like a pseudohistoricalNo.>does this have gameplay ramifications to the mech statlinesKinda. There's different mechs, different variants, and different weapons, but most newer weapons and armor (outside of clan stuff) are sidegrades. The issue arises with introtech stuff vs later stuff because you don't hit the limits of specialist gear under introtech. A well optimized clan mech might forgo endosteel because it runs out of space, but an introtech mech doesn't have access to endosteel and probably has like 30 empty crits, so it's just several tons heavier than if it had endosteel. In general if you put anything past 3050 against something from 3151 it will be a mostly fair fight.>would the existing essentials box with the two models be good for onboarding other locals and myself into the game for a startI don't know what specific mech variants they have in the box and you can always just run them as whatever variant, but yeah it's pretty solid. Wouldn't be my preferred mechs for onboarding games, but serviceable.>for making an Inner Sphere force, are there any suggestions on what lance boxes to pick up? what seems to be iconic looks cool and all but i imagine going off that alone would just end up with a less coherent compositionHonestly find a theme you like and play it. Megamek vs the AI is a good way to get a feel for the game without sinking a lot of time playing against yourself. I personally like aesthetically cohesive forces eg. all chicken walkers or all humanoid mechs or all quads and at least for the first two examples there's so many available that you can make whatever you want as far as force design (heavy vs light, fast vs slow, etc.). But just a general suggestion with regards for nothing else IS Command and IS Battle lances offer relatively balanced forces, fire support mixed with mobile scouts or strikers.
>>98562913Eras stuff can get super autistic depending on your local scene, but normally it's just an upper bound for the tech that you can expect. Unlike IRL, mechs and variants that are hundreds of years old are not suicidal to take against stuff made "last year" whether that means 3039 or 3150.
>>98562913>do people mostly or exclusive play in matching eras like a pseudohistoricalMy experience is that a game agreement usually goes like:>Hey Anon, wanna play 6k FedCom Civil War?>Been playing a lot of that lately. How about 10k ilClan?Or sometimes, rarely>I really want to play this super weird scenario I found in an old book, everyone else has turned me down, you are my only hope.>...what the hell, sure.
>>98562952>>do people mostly or exclusive play in matching eras like a pseudohistorical>No.Yes they do what the fuck is wrong with you?>>98562913Anon, Battletech is basically a historical wargame about a history which hasn't happened yet. It can ALSO be approached as a generic pickup game, and it can ALSO be approached as tournament game which is either era specific or isn't era specific, depending on the TOs goal. But a GMd campaign featuring you and some buddies against a GM controlled OPFOR using "period accurate" Mechs and equipment is the core gameplay mode the Battletech has always used.Go see if you can find a Game of Armored Combat starter box right now before they disappear. That will get you plenty of minis that will serve you well no matter what era you end up focusing on.
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>>98563034Thought that was the case to some extent, so I guess that leaves finding a solid entrypoint to the fluff than a primer.>That will get you plenty of minis that will serve you well no matter what era you end up focusing on.Will check if an LGS here can order it in, or otherwise hunt it down. Looks like a pretty neat selection.>>98562952Thanks, will look into those two lances, and then some if the above is somehow inaccessible.>>98562971>>98563018Also noted. Guess it's not too expensive if someone wants to play into a different era.
I like the idea of protomechs adding some VOTOMs/Heavy Gear mini mecha to the mix, but damn, the designs are absolutely retarded furryslop
>>98563034Most groups I've seen don't give much of a fuck about era, certainly not to the extent of actual wargames. I don't see any groups that just play first succession wars, and pure introtech is only for the groggest of grogs. Most I've generally seen is a sort of "hey don't take broken IJJ targeting computer pulse boats because that's unfun"
>>98563146From my experience a lot of people don't want to go past FCCW or at the latest Jihad, since after that you start seeing a lot more equipment with rules not found in TW/BMM and a bunch of extra complications like different armor types that take different amounts of damage from certain weapons.
>>98563141The original first gen protomech designs are definitely a departure yeah. They have a super robot mazinger mook sorta vibe which is not really what people expect out of a Dougram/Macross style stompy war game. The later protomechs look a lot better imo. Unfortunately there's not much done with them and the fluff seems to turn people off from using them.
>>98563165Why did they do such a shit job on the first protos anyway? Who actually thought battletits on a combat unit were a good idea?
>>98563155I generally just see less "none of this era" and more "none of this tech." Nobody really gives a shit if you take a post-Jihad mech if it doesn't have IJJs or annoying armor types, meanwhile shit like "this mech has several clan large pulse lasers and a targeting computer" gets much worse reception even if it's possible in 3050.
>>98563173Yeah it doesn't really make any sense, especially since the entire point of photos is because a point of them was supposed to cost less resources than a mech, kinda feels counterintuitive to waste resources adding unnecessary ornamentation. Personally, between the fluff of the pilots feeling like their machines, and the designs giving off super robot vibes, my theory is that the writer just wanted to sneak in some Getter/Mazinger type designs in the setting.
>>98563165>the fluff seems to turn people off from using themHot garbage shouldn't be used, ProtoMech tech is a failed branch fielded by Clans too pathetic to keep their OmniMechs in good working order, or failed to build enough of them to keep their MTOE at strength.
>>98563213Yeah that's what I mean, what's the point of introducing a brand new type as garbage from the start?Mechanically they're not even that bad, they're basically super Battle Armor units, they're even meant to be used in groups of 5. Everything around Protomechs' writing is bizarre.
>>98563165A lot of pic related still runs true.
>>98563034>But a GMd campaign featuring you and some buddies against a GM controlled OPFOR using "period accurate" Mechs and equipment is the core gameplay mode the Battletech has always usedThat's a funny way to say "3v3 mechs only 2 map sheets final destination">>98563141It's just a rushed, desperate "we need ideas now" concept. That BA can already be piloted from a cockpit and ultralights exist means that they never really had an open niche to begin with. Making them ugly as well just doomed them to the dustbin. Even if you totally redesigned them they still don't really do anything interesting and their role in the setting is half-baked and pretty pointless.>>98563233Still say that deciding early that quads would be a near-boondoggle doomed them to bipedal essentialism and ruined the potential of alternate frames. Battletech is absolutely riddled with "this sounds cool, pity it was only made once by one guy and then it blew up and no one ever did it again, 500 more years of bipeds with medium lasers"
>>98563173They were literally first drafts and the artist expected to get notes back since the art direction was pretty vague, along the lines od "small, animalistic mechs". But instead of coming back with changes and revisions, they sent them to print.
>>98563294Quads at least still exist and aren't canonically a complete boondoggle like LAMs or protos, the designers just very rarely stat new ones. You get maybe 1 or 2 in a TRO at most. There's no real reason why there couldn't be more, except people just aren't that interested in making them. Which is a shame, cause I like designs like the Scorpion and the Xanthos.I suppose the big issue was that there originally wasn't dedicated rules for quads, so the two quadruped anime mech models FASA had were awkwardly shoehorned to use biped rules even if it didn't really make sense, which discouraged the statting of new quads until they actually got proper rules, but by that time there were probably hundreds of biped mechs out there, including all the iconic designs, so quads never stopped feeling like a weird outlier. Also doesn't help that the construction rules make the design space for quads rather limited. You can basically only put guns in the torsos, due to the legs having few free crit slots and getting blocked by level 1 terrain.
>>98563294>>98563233I think protos could've had their place as mooks. As the IS moved away from Introtech/salvage mindset and built increasingly more complex Battlemechs, refined Protomechs that fixed most of the fluff issues that the First Gen Protomechs had could've made way to factories across human space churning out loads of Protos at a faster rate than Battlemech production could hope to match. Game wise this would set Protos up as the designated mooks of scenarios to make Battlemechs look that much better, like a professional mercenary lance wiping out companies of Protomechs run by pirates and milita units, with modded Indomechs being for the truly desperate and primitive areas of Periphery space, with Battlemechs being focused in state and large private military hands where they can involve real power against the small timers and the lesser systems' militaries.Simultaneously you could run campaigns surrounding Protomechs where you're wiping out infantry and BAs but have a decent challenge in Tanks and Battlemechs can act as major boss encounters.Design wise Spheroid designs would distance itself from Clanner Protos by building them more utilitarian in design compared to the Clans' totem like design scheme. Think VOTOM or Heavy Gear. I think that would've worked pretty well imo, like comparing ACs to MTs or Gundams to GMs.
Big problem with quads is a lot of the mitigating bits introduced over time like directional torso mount weapons or extended torso twist are hidden in quirks which a lot of people just don't use in play for whatever reasons.They should actually just make those specific rules not even quirks but just basic mechanics same as a Quad Turret, and just factor that shit into BV3 when they work that out. At least Quad Turret is now in the core rules. Those things are a fucking game changer for quads.
>>98563455Calling LAMs boondoggles is inaccurate. They're weren't willingly abandoned like Protos were, the factories were targeted and destroyed because they were high value targets, and the last one was kept in service for centuries straight until being destroyed by Clanners.Even then Nova Cat destroyed the factory for ideological reasons, not because of the systems itself.
Hey... so I'm going through the new rulebook and... did we discuss how Thunderbolts now have special munitions at the time? Because I don't remember that?
>>98563534quad turret rules baked in and some extra torso slots would pretty much solve all the criticisms people have for Quads.
>>98563543I mostly meant them being treated as abandoned technology both in- and out of universe. Most Clans consider protos a failure, with only 2 IS-based Clans using them at all, and the only post-3025 LAM designs are one failed Clan prototype and a trio of WoB ones that, along with other weirdos like drone mechs and superheavies, were meant to represent the Blakists pulling out all kinds of super-science wunderwaffe to desperately try to change the tide of the war.Quads meanwhile are considered a viable weapon system in-universe that still sees active use with new models being developed, even if they're vastly outnumbered by more conventional biped mechs.
>>98563534Blake's virgin balls, what a shitwagon that thing is
>>98563660Another one of TRO 3060's finest: the Sirocco.At least they saved the obligatory FWL issued light gauss rifles for a variant not the standard.These days it has the quirk for directional weapon mount so those autocannon can flip and shoot behind it... if you're playing with quirks (again, that shit should be standard tech)
>>98563738>autocannon ammo stored in the rear legsSavannah Master-bation intensifying!
>>98563738Problem with making directional torso mount standard tech is that, unlike the later quad mech turret, it's not equipment on the record sheet, so they'd have to make it standard rules for all quads' torso-mounted weapons which wouldn't make sense for weapons not mounted on a turret, like Scorpion's PPC.Though we do have mechs with record sheets that read "if using advanced rules, treat this mech as having a full-head ejection system", so something similar to mechs like the Goliath and Sirocco could work.
>>98561905Jump on it, jump on it. Pucker up and hold on tight. Don't fall off now boy!
>>98562513You're not a good person.
Hey 'techers, tourist here. I'm trying to shitbrew the most minimalist beer & pretzel mecha wargame to convert some friends. What are the staples of a good mecha wargame?I guess I'll boil that down to:- different frame choice (speed vs armor vs firepower tradeoff)- power management (move or shoot)- heat management (extra punch or low signature)- hit location (hull, weapon, heatsink, reactor)
>>98563455Inner sphere quads are utterly screwed over by inner sphere bulky equipment yes. There's simply too little room to mount big low heat ballistics, and likewise to mount the heat sinks needed for energy weapons that COULD in theory fit the mech. At least Clan quads can hide 4 sinks in the legs, making them pretty well suited for wading into a river and ripping a few ER PPCs off the rack.
Personally I'd argue Quads should've had three crit slots in each leg instead of two.
>>98563233>Miniaturization is inevitable in technologyNot in military technology. Compare a Sherman to a Patton to an Abrams, or compare a P-51 to an F-4 to an F-35, or compare a Nimitz to a Kitty Hawk to a Midway class carrier. The main factor for military tech is mobility, protection, and weight of fire and for two of those superior size tends to lead into superior armament and protection.
>>98563233I really want to like the Scorpion but that side torso just being a bomb is too much.
>>98563660>>98563738its the knee lasers for me
>>98564259>The main factor for military tech is mobility>Nimitz>Midway
>>98564780This anon thinks mobility is how fast your rudder can turn 1800
>>98564780>Decrease speed by 10%>Increase firepower by 30% (air wing increased from 70 to 90)Seems pretty reasonable. Between two identical mechs would you prefer one with 3 medium lasers and 11 walk speed or one with 4 medium lasers and 10 walk speed? Again, it's three factors of importance, speed is only one, if you lose a bit of speed but are much better armed and protected it's probably a pretty good deal.
>>98564857>Seems pretty reasonable. Between two identical mechs would you prefer one with 3 medium lasers and 11 walk speed or one with 4 medium lasers and 10 walk speed?First one if it comes with DHS and lower BV
>>98564870>BV>Talking about points in a conversation of in universe pragmatism
>>98564896Okay let me rephrase it.I would take first one if it carried DHS and costed less C-bills
>>98564921What if they both had DHS? Also what's the break point for price? 5% more expensive? 10% more expensive? 50%? An F-35 costs a 5-10 times more than an F-4 in today's money but America prefers to opt for F-35s.
>>98565015>An F-35 costs a 5-10 times more than an F-4 in today's money but America prefers to opt for F-35s.Yeah surely because of it's efficiency, not because Military Industrial Complex have a new Chevrolet/Call of Duty to sell.
>>98565201Yes that is why only America uses modern stealth fighters and the entire rest of the world uses prop fighters with no radar or tracking electronics or communications besides a radio.Are you really disagreeing with the premise that more guns and armor make things bigger and militaries like more guns and armor?
>>98563233The image is forgetting that they bent the LAM rules over a barrel first and that they *did* retcon the Industrial MODs into earlier eras it's just that people aren't going to play an IndustrialMech that will blow up from being sneezed at
>>98565786I'd play industrialmechs as like a deep periphery ghetto brawl but I'm not taking industrialmechs against real mechs under any circumstances. You could give me a 50% BV advantage and I'd still take real mechs.
>>98565867That's something I don't get about the dark age "upgrades" to bring primitive mechs "up" to industrial standards. Yeah sure, the primitive parts weigh like 30% extra for no benefit, but they also don't have any extra penalties on the field. Even purpose made combat industrials fold like wet paper towels if they so much as get tapped in melee, and fall over if they're sneezed on. The actual upgrade to primitives would be turning them into retrotech with modern components to shave the weight off. A real psycho could even mix clantech with primitive tech.
>>98565396The State Department in combination with the Defense Industry torpedoed fighter projects in US-aligned nations. They sunk the Japanese next gen one and directly told the Germans to stop working on their own stealth program.It's not that they can't, it's that they compromised as part of their acceptance of US hegemony.
>>98566125So why does China have stealth fighters? Why does Russia have something resembling a stealth fighter? Why does every single country have an MBT more expensive and complex than those used during WW2?
>>98565201Back in the ground, Pierre
>>98565867>>98565786>>98563233The Industrialmech problem is that they aren't supposed to be in a mech fight, as in operate under TW rules. They're supposed to slap mechanized infantry and AFVs built to the standards of mechanized infantry, with maybe some light combat vehicles in the mix.LAMs aren't part of mosh pits, they're strategic units.There's nothing wrong with Protos, they are a politically correct way for Clans to not use vehicles and they do what BA is supposed to do according to fiction and early concepts of how Clans operate.There simply aren't enough tripods around for the class to matter.Quads have two sensible uses: 1) Scouts that won't face-plant and reliably return, even with heavy damage2) Camping in heavy woods, Running whatever stealth armour you prefer, using their front legs as ablative armour to gausszilla/Itano Circus.
>>98566284Some day I will use my Seekers with a Fire Scorpion 3. It asks the question "what if there was a Victor IIC that was also a quad?"
>>98566350Nothing "asks" that question, it's a stupid question.
>>98566504>scuttles towards you and unloads cuac/20
>>98566125fuck off iranny
>>98566620>not supporting US Hegemonytranny behavior spotted
>>98565867I now kind of want to see a campaign where you play as Bumfuckistan IV planetary militia, who try to stop a band of marauding pirates using industrialmech MODs. It would probably be a pain to actually play, but it would put things into perspective when an introtech Wasp would be a challenging fight an a Shadow Hawk would qualify as the final boss of the campaign (and God help you if the pirates have a Charger).
>>98566284They used to also be a good choice to carry an HGR, but the PSR for firing rule is gone
>>98566726Quad assaults and heavies are also good if you play with scaling damage PSRs. Something like a goliath is going to spend a lot less time rolling on the ground when it eats 80 damage in a round.
>>98566682The biggest problem with actually USING industrialmech mods is that they're mostly urbie speed, which just leads to boring non-interactive gameplay.
>>98563233Protomechs had a problem because Battle Armor in general existed.Don't get me wrong I think they are neat but Protomechs where a last ditch effort to try and make mini battlemechs.
>>98566795>Protomechs had a problem because Battle Armor in general existed.BA can't move as fast or fight as many turns per game as Protos.
Oh fuck, Loren Coleman just said there will be an alien in the Atomic AU
>>98566897Just the one?Also, there are aliens in the main setting.
>>98566840My man, protomechs suck compared to Battle Armor. Both lore wise and gameplay wise, get the fuck out of here.
>>98566922Using a damage location system might fuck over the lower end protos but a point of Gorgons will destroy a point of elementals 10 out of 10 times
>>98563233To be fair BT in general, on a meta level, really struggles with introducing a new cool thing but either poorly thinking out it's rules or just deliberately gimping it in the rules, thus making it ass to play, thus making it unpopular, thus letting the devs say "we told you so" about the thing and then relegating it to the shitbin of history. There is a whole armory full of weapon types that should be very cool and add a lot to gameplay but instead they made them stupid and not make sense and therefore they are useless, which is dumb. The new rules at least seem more open spiritually open to fixing some of these issues to make more stuff make sense, and I'm hoping they continue that trend. I don't think two legged battleship tech should remain the undisputed and uncontested supreme forever and that under certain circumstances other things should work better
Comstar Battle Level II, Clan Fire Star, Clan Support Star, and 2 other IS forcepacks are retired
>>98567067>Retiring any of the Comstar packsThey're retarded.
>(Battletech Atomic) will be a just a call back to that golden age of sci-fi and the universe will reflect that, in that we will finally, as for many years we said will never do it, we found a way to put aliens in the Battletech without breaking continuity because it's completely one-off thing. So we'll have some alien influences out there, I won't say exactly which one...Oh god it will be the birbs
>>98567111>Battletech Gothic - October 2025 releaseLess than a year and that shit is in clearance at 40% discount. How much until 20%?Atmic and Anime will be the same money sinks (or money laundry probably)
>>98567111Personally, I would have gone with something like Gorn, or an ensemble collection of alien henchmen for Evil Emperor Kerensky from beyond known space.
>>98567111I'm holding out for BattleTentacles. CGL already has experience publishing alien rape simulator games with Eclipse Phase, and want to see the tranny brigade cry when they realize that women are just incubators even in the sci-fi future. They may have the bodies, but it's the aliens choice.
>>98567269>$100 for 8 mechs and some other stuff.Damn. I just got 50 metal including new stuff for $375. Finally nabbed a Triskelion. Also just looked it up on IWM for a lark.>36.95Sweet retarded Kerensky, prices are out of hand.
>>98567111Hmm...they expressly ruled out the Clan Invasion in Gothic by having the Exodus fleet die out, and a massive alien invasion would work as variation of that theme.Similarly relevantly, there are considered to be multiple Golden Eras of Science Fiction with two big ones being during the Flash Gordon era of the 50s/early 60s and another with Original Trilogy Star Wars to Star Trek: the Next Generation in the late 70s/80s. Military Sci-Fi also picked up a big boom in the 00s.As such, my bet is on the aesthetic of the 60s with the main aliens taking a lot of cues from Star Wars and Star Trek species, but with a plotline similar to Halo's Human-Covenant War.
>>98567393Let's be honest. It's gonna be Battletech: Fallout Edition rather than real chrome 1960's Atomic Age. Might still be fun, but I'm saying that as a guy that likes fins on my Cadillacs.
>>98567405You don't think that Klingon-expies using rayguns commanding the Vree expies to use their War of the Worlds tripods to attack humans in the name of a dumb ideology isn't something that wouldn't be in line with a "Fallout edition"
>>98567269What's Atmic and Anime?t. retarded
>>98567465If it isn't this aesthetic, it's wrong.
>>98567497Other AU boxes to follow up Gothic. Atomic is next. This was the teaser art from the time of Gothic's release. Barely any other info. I do like the Art Deco battlemaster
>>98567546What I really want is for them to go full Elektro for the Atlas. I want it to have an unsettlingly human-like head and a smooth, square body.
>>98567559I wouldn't expect an Atlas after we got one in Gothic. I would, however, expect at least one mech in it to draw heavily from Robby The Robot.
>>98567572I think it would make sense to have the Atlas as a universal throughline in all the AUs. Then they become a bit collectible and you can more directly compare the different styles. Not like these models are cross-compatible anyway.
>>98567465>VreeI could only wish for that much B5 influence...
>>98563233>quads etcThey're just awkward. I'm not a fan of quads but I don't hate them, the GF loves them. From a 'lore' perspective though I can absolutely see how the neurohelmet interface would be fucky and weird and therefore uncomfortable to pilot. >LAM's etcI fucking hate LAM's, but for the sake of the argument LAM's are either incredibly broken because of tactical/strategic movement ability, or incredibly fucked because they are (and should be) incredibly fragile. Even assuming both things are true, if that were the case nobody would ever give a fuck about Battlemechs because a LAM outclasses them in every scenario except durability. But if that were the case, why the fuck are you fighting fair if you've got a LAM? And then the game ceases to be Battletech and becomes Aerotech. Which if that's what you want, fine. >ProtosTo big to replace PA infantry. To small to threaten anything other than Lights and some shit Mediums. More expensive than tanks/IFV's which could do the same job better. They were always a solution to a problem that didn't exist, they deserve to be forgotten.>SuperheaviesNot a fan personally, but I don't mind them. I kind of like the whole 'moving fortress' thing they had going as an interim between the SDS mobile fortresses and a Battlemech. Kinda cool.>Civil/IndustrialmechsThese are fucking awesome in concept, the execution of the dark age Industrialmechs was fucking awful. The Loader King for example is fantastic, more of that please. The Roughneck is a prime example of what we should see more of.
>>98567678You have to keep in mind that if LAMs are in play, then so are ASF. And that's not a fight the LAM will win. Compare a Stinger LAM's air mode to something like an introtech Sparrowhawk. It's slower, has less armor, and depending on exact variant, might even have less firepower (but it's pretty close any way you cut it). A LAM that flies carelessly is a lawndarted LAM.
>>98565396>Are you really disagreeing with the premise that more guns and armor make things bigger and militaries like more guns and armor?My point was that militaries like more guns and armor because it makes more money. F-35 is a straight scam, which lives on F-22 hype, while F-16 remains main workbird.
>>98566184>So why does China have stealth fighters?Because China is preparing to take Taiwan by force in needed, which means collision either with USA or militaries trained and organized in the simmiliar manner as USA.>Why does Russia have something resembling a stealth fighter?Idk, honestly. My biggest guess was that Soviet had an early stage project of their own stealth fighter, so Russians just picked what was left and sold to their own president to get fundings.>Why does every single country have an MBT more expensive and complex than those used during WW2?Literally leftovers from the Cold War mindset, when militaries were preparing to engage massive amount of NATO/Pact tanks.Meanwhile since Ukraine, cope cages are mandatory for all, T-series, Leopard, Challenger, Abrams, Merkava
>>98567512>romance novel>smut for girlswhy?
>>98567914It sells
>>98567807I completely agree which is why I said it ceases to become Battletech and instead becomes Aerotech as now the primary battlespace shifts to the sky (and sub-orbital I guess) because now you're trying to use aerospace units to interdict flights of LAM's, which have taken the place of conventional Battlemech units. By the same token, anything that is not capable of being air-transported is now easily capable of being out maneuvered by LAM's. LAM's don't need to face off against conventional units if they or dedicated aerospace units can bomb the shit out of standard Battlemech or Armor formations. This also means that LAM's can swoop in to the battlefield after having OPFOR bombed like crazy and act like vultures, picking off the wounded and never fighting conventional opponents at full capacity. Which then, in turn, means that infantry, power armor and air transportable armor (unironically, fucking Protomechs of all things) become the primary ground based defence. Easy to move, easy to dig in and hide, tough enough to fight fragile LAM's on their terms, as well as being cheap, and you do actually need to have 'boots on the ground'.At some point, heavy fortifications would exist which you would need to assault conventionally, so Battlemechs wouldn't disappear but they would be second fiddle to LAM units. They would almost exclusively become heavy siege units for very specific targets.
>>98563173They have organic features because it helps the pilots' synch ratios. They're controlled by a direct link with the pilot's brain, so the more it resembles a living thing, the more easily the pilot adapts to it. Some of them like the Erinyes actually have fully articulated animatronic faces so they can match the user's expressions.
>>98567985It also means LAMs are grounded if there's a big scary ASF lurking the airspace nearby. The last thing you want as a LAM is to rise three elevations and get sniped right back down by something that was just waiting to swoop down on your rear arc.
>>98567873>Because China is preparing to take Taiwan by force in needed, which means collision either with USA or militaries trained and organized in the simmiliar manner as USA.Why not use the superior doctrine of swarms of MiG-15 equivalents. After all they could probably field 50 MiG-15s for the price of a single J-20.
>>98567819>My point was that militaries like more guns and armor because it makes more money.Got it, you're a retard
>>98563233who doesn''t like quads?
>>98564259BUT something like an abrams or f35 has a whole lot more technology in it's footprint that, were you to try and put the period equivalent into a sherman or p51 would be impossible.
>>98568110>You've seen a human woman before, right?>Yes. Absolutely. I can draw one from memory.
>>98567923Tranny money isn't good here.
>>98568110>who doesn''t like quads?Everyone who actually plays Battletech
>>98563233Pre-MechWarrior grogs had the right idea, giving us neat mechs like the Huntress, Hedgehog, Afterburner, BX-8S Box & JCK-3E Jack, etc.
>>9856697Doesn't matter how much makeup you put on it.Still sucks at the end of the day.
>>98568170Hedgehog my beloved
>>98568120Not really, a Sherman has a similar footprint and weight to a Bradley CFV and that can carry troops to boot.
>>98568055On the other hand, and to play devil's advocate, fighting ASF is one of the few times where Battlemech node is useful, because the LAM can just park and transform, then start taking potshots at ASF to knock them out with some PSR checks. Using LAMs is almost like roshambo. You use Airmech mode to travel quick over land, scouting, and to better handle better equipped conventional mechs. You use Battlemech mode for anti-air duty and when you need accuracy over movement speed. And then ASF mode is for getting on and off world, or to quickly get out of dodge.
>>98568450If the ASF actually come down to fight you when you're on the ground. Circling overhead like vultures at elevation 9 is perfectly reasonable when there are LAMs on the ground. Even if they're able to glide along the in airmech, that's waaaaay slower and makes time for defensive units to get in their way or for high priority targets to be hidden in basements or caves or whatever.
There's little point in discussing fully the details of LAM viability as long as the writing says "yeah they were great harassers and tactical assets and they built them for hundreds of years" and the rules are just a high pitched nerd scream.That aside, of course ASF are better at being ASF. They sure suck at landing and fighting though. That's the whole point.
>>98568503>That aside, of course ASF are better at being ASF. They sure suck at landing and fighting though. That's the whole point.I mean.... they can do it *really well* but only once per airframe.
>>98568450>You use Battlemech mode for anti-air duty and when you need accuracy over movement speed.A pretty shitty anti-air duty, since most suited for anti-air duty mechs are just walking turrets like Rifleman, or Bane.>or to quickly get out of dodge.By default not as quick as mech with jump jets.
I think it's a good thing that ASF are objectively better than LAMs in the air, a LAMs main purpose should be a versatile unconventional unit that can run around hitting the enemy forces where they're weak, or ambushing and backstabbing unprepared enemy units. They shouldn't be able to directly compete with ASF, otherwise what'd be the point of ASF? Otherwise what ever new rules they work out for LAMs in the future need to take in account and rebalance the multiple forms a LAM has access to, so that you're incentivized to actually bother transforming rather than just staying in Airmech mode all game.
>>98568611>By default not as quick as mech with jump jets.I know iJJ partial wing is silly, but I don't think there are any mechs that can jump 48 hexes in one turn. Because that's the lowest max safe velocity a LAM can achieve. Most of them double it to 96. All of them can push it by half again.
>>98568818A LAM in ASF mode, that is. ASF move in mapsheets. Each mapsheet is 16 hexes.
>>98568829Even in just Airmech mode, a 4/6/4 has a jumping flank of 18 hexes, even cruise is still 12. That's about as slow as LAMs in Airmech mode get at that, even with IJJs and PW available Battlemechs just can't match that.Though tbf, an IJJ pulse boat is objectively the scarier unit in a straight fight regardless.
>>98568611>A pretty shitty anti-air duty, since most suited for anti-air duty mechs are just walking turrets like Rifleman, or Bane.to be fair to the LAM in that scenario, it's less that it's actually specialized in AA like a Rifleman or a Lancelot, just that it does have an answer to fighting ASF if it needs to. If transforming into a Battlemech scares the ASF to stay high in the air and away from fighting the LAM, that's effectively a tactical win for the LAM, because it's free to continue to its objective.
>>98568912But at a much slower pace, which is also a tactical win for the ASF unless there's no ground units along the way at all.The archetypal LAM is a 6/9/6 that can cruise near the ground in Airmech at 18/27 and fly in ASF at speeds of up to 192 hexes (or 12 mapsheets) per turn. Forcing it to move in single or double digit hexes is a big win. The LAM is probably on a timer, if they had infinite time, they'd have just dropped a lance of big fat mechs and let them waddle to the target.
I thought the LAMs were for providing Close Air Support and bullying the enemy vehicles for our infantry and tanks
>>98568818>I don't think there are any mechs that can jump 48 hexes in one turn. Because that' the lowest max safe velocity a LAM can achieve. Most of them double it to 96. All of them can push it by half again.How are you getting those stats, anon? The absolute maximum I've been able to push LAMs is to a 40 Ton with a 7/11/10 in 'Mech mode which translates to Cruising 30, Flanking 45 in Airmech and 10/15 in Fighter mode. And that is with absolutely zero armor and weapons.
>>98568956If you just need a little bit of support, it's definitely a lot safer for a LAM to drop into Airmech mode and then scream through your battle, wildly shooting at anything it crosses paths with. It can't lawndart at least.
>>9856897010/15 is in mapsheets. And it's Thrust, which is turned into Velocity, which is what actually moves the unit. You spend all 10 of your safe Thrust at the start of movement and now you have 10 velocity. That means you move 10 mapsheets, or 160 hexes.
Since anon is confused, fast moving air and space units don't have "speed" like every other unit type. Instead they have Thrust. Thrust can be used to increase or decrease velocity, turn in the inky blackness of space (in atmosphere you get free turns after a certain number of straight hexes thanks to your control surfaces), or do special maneuvers like fancy flips and rolls.A flying unit can spend Thrust at the beginning or end of its movement, then must move a mandatory distance equal to its Velocity. In space, there is no cap on Velocity. In atmosphere, there's a harsh cap on Velocity and you lose half of your current amount every single turn, so keep spending Thrust or else you'll stall.
>>98568936That's also fair. I'd argue that ultimately the edge would still go to the LAM because the ASF would face the same problems if the LAM shifted to Airmech mode to in atmosphere, but I'll concede it'd ultimately depend on tht objective itself, as well as what support is given since this is probably getting a bit too whiteroom to actually matter. For me this kind of discussion does make LAMs more appealing though, because it's genuinely fun to think about.
>>98568979...this is one of those fuck-ass conversions between Aerotech's two movement types of High and Low Altitude movement with its own unique maps and the more conventional to battletech ground maps, isn't it? I ain't the most familiar with the Aerotech rules as I'm till learning all the ground units, so I had generally been assuming a more VTOL style rather than that sorta style.Speaking of VTOL, though...would a reasonable rebalance of the AirMech mode to swap from its bespoke WiGE to use it's Jump for the base VTOL movement and applying 1.5x to it for Flank? That feels decently strong but also way less of an insane outlier of TMM madness.
>>98569060I think part of why I was assuming a closer-to-VTOL setup for Aerotech on ground maps was probably because when skimming through the rules at first, I saw this and made some erroneous assumptions and hadn't gotten to buckling down on Aerotech to learn how it actually worked just yet.
>>98569060Aerotech has like four kinds of maps. Space is space and each hex is 30km.Upper Atmosphere is partially space and partially... the upper atmosphere and each hex is uhh... a distance. The view is like if you were in a satellite looking up over the horizon. There's a hard line on the map where you cross over into the atmosphere and things get hot. Ground units floating in space want to stay away from this line. Gravity wants to pull them across it. If you go all the way off the map in the direction of the planet, you move to the low atmosphere map.Lower Atmosphere is more like a satellite view looking straight down and each hex is an entire ground mapsheet. You can use a normal ground map to represent this, in which case its levels become Elevations for things like mountains or megastructures."Aerospace Units on Ground Maps" is the same exact map you play with mechs on, but the ASF does its best to pretend it is still on the Low Atmosphere map, so instead of each velocity making you move a mapsheet-equivalent hex, you move 16 dirt grubbing hexes instead. At any time, if an ASF moves across a mapsheet edge, they can go back to low altitude view. Gameplay-wise, it's as close as they could get it while letting you fuck around with individual hexes inside a mapsheet.
>>98569096That chart is for the free turns you get for control surfaces. Your 10/15 moving at velocity 10 has to move 160 hexes, but it can change its facing at any time after moving 44. If you want to change facing twice, you have to move 44, turn, move another 44, then turn again.
>>98567067Where was this announced?
>>98569109Isn't there technically a fifth with Planetary Hex Maps of Battleforce, and at least for Jump Ships and the like, the Inner Sphere at War maps? Or are those their own, extremely specific, jank?
>>98569117Nevermind answered my own question: from Tuesday Newsday cast.
>>98569123Maybe, I don't know anything about Battleforce. A campaign map showing a whole world in hexes is definitely not the low altitude map though. A whole room's worth of low altitude mapsheets would barely even be a blip on a planetary map.
>>98569123Those are each yet another form of jank.
>>98569123The ISW is a campaign map so it doesn't really count. You don't fight on the map, and your movement is limited to 1 hex (2 with lithium fusion batteries).
Has CGL said anything about restocking Desert Map Pack? Don't see it for sale
>>98569180No, they don't usually say with stuff like that. It'll happen eventually but the focus lately was on Volcanic and Glacier
>>98569216So it's expected it'll return, that's good. Was curious if Grasslands/Deserts was sort of like a mainstay that kept getting renewed every once in a while.
>>98569129Yeah, while this is a wrap-around (sheet is from Campaign Operations, but the right side map is the Planetary Hex Map that Battleforce 2 uses for specific things), this is still very much a hell of a lot more than what Low Altitude would cover.May track at least somewhat close to High Altitude? It is somewhat harder to tell from first look, but its sorta made as a flat d8, with partial hexes linking together. Going from the North pole formed of one set of the 6 points and South pole formed of the other 6 needs a total of 15 Hexes of movement to create a 30 hex circumference "sphere". Dunno how well that map size would translate for Aerotech.
>>98569375I'm tired. It's two sets of 5 points not 2 sets of 6. And it kinda would form more of a d20 shape from its d10 flattening. Dunno how I got d8 from that.
>>98567067>Comstar Battle Level IIDamn their eyes, I needed that one to finish my mercs!
>>98567111>we found a way to put aliens in the Battletech without breaking continuityKzinti catpeople are my guess.
>>98568450>roshamboThis is not a word
>>98567067So these mechs are squatted from the game and setting?
>>98569502It is and it's older than you. That and it's just plain faster than writing out Rock, Paper, Scissors.
>>98569525They just aren't being officially sold. Their sheets are still legal for play and you can use already owned models, printed models, cardboard standees, and so on to still play them.Like even if a 'mech is labelled as Extinct in an era, you can play them if you can justify it enough for your opponent to be chill with it.
>>98569534Rochambeau is a word
>>98569525what >>98569537 said and the easy answer is always you found said mechs in a previously undiscovered cache, successfully salvaged a rare mech off someone else. Nobody in or out of universe will even bat an eye.
>>98569547it's interchangeable
>>98569525Just out of production. Both devs and players are really autistic about never having retcons of any kind. There are people still mad because a 2018 video game filled in a blank space on the map with a new minor faction.
>>98568912>If transforming into a Battlemech scares the ASF to stay high in the air and away from fighting the LAM, that's effectively a tactical win for the LAM, because it's free to continue to its objective.Why exactly ASF supposed to be scared off by LAM in it's the most vulnurable position (transforming)?
>>98569550So they are probably just repacking them.
There was a lot of talk about the utility of LAMs, but what about Quadvees? I get that they give movement redundancy, and some differing movement bonuses like the Notos moving faster in tank mode because of its wheels, but is that all?What's the use case for these beyond larping as Hell's Horses for fun?Also I know OmniQuadvees are a thing, and wheels and treads are both available, but can you give a Quadvee hover locomotion instead?
>>98569585I'm not too familiar with the rules, but I think the tank form gives the reduced height in the same way as prone (dropping Mechs from height 2 to height 1 allowing for hiding behind terrain easier) does but maintains near-full movement speed? I think it can also take advantage of Hull Down ability of tanks, as rarely used as that is, for a buff to defense.
>>98569585One thing I see no point in is having Quadvees run by a pilot and gunner by default. If a LAM can be piloted just fine by one Mechwarrior, there's no reason a Quadvee needs two guys.
>>98569481>Kzinti catpeopleCan we fuck them?
>>98568110There are plenty of people who want to like quads but are put off with the rules and stats of quads being so shit that nobody really has a serious reason to use them.
>>98569558>players are really autistic about never having retcons of any kind. There are people still mad because a 2018 video game filled in a blank space on the map with a new minor faction.Bitch, we're still mad that the 4th Succession War happens the way it did in 1988. The Capellan Confederation would have fairly beaten the FedSuns if the authors weren't interfering all over the place.
>>98569652Not unless you want to be torn apart by 3-meter, 850 lb carnivores that think Scream And Leap is a viable tactic and monkey meat tastes good when it's afraid.
>>98569661The capellans having a military half the size of the fed suns and being led by an insane moron is from the first house books.
>>98569702Well he was always insane, being a bumbling moron was sorta a novelism. Prior to that he was supposed to be a ruthless schemer who knows how to smile and nod while keeping the other houses focused on each other.
>>98569702Warrior Houses > RCTsDon't @ me to dare dispute this truth
>>98569731Honestly even in the novels, the only reason Max didn't end up destroying the Fedsuns from the inside was because Ardan is autistic.He outmaneuvered Hanse as thoroughly as he possibly could with the kidnapping to doppelganger switch the Cappies pulled off.
>>98569525No, will be remastered with different pose and stuff in the future forcepack in the future (so 2-3 years)
>>98569631Yeah, a quadvee is literally just a quad mech with tracks or wheels on its legs so that it can roll around while prone. It really shouldn't even be a separate unit type when it could just be equipment for quads. Use some tonnage and a critslot in each leg to let the mech move using the rules for tracked/wheeled vehicle movement while prone.
>>98569848>It really shouldn't even be a separate unit type when it could just be equipment for quads. Use some tonnage and a critslot in each leg to let the mech move using the rules for tracked/wheeled vehicle movement while prone....huh
>>98569652I remember some comic boom strips featuring a female character resembling the pic getting posted here but can't find the title. Can anyone guess what that was?
>>98569537>Use royal mechs well past their extinction date>Yeah we just decided to upgrade older mechs with star league tech after the helm memory core and clan invasion
>>98569585The wheeled ones seem to make the most sense, on account of them getting the largest bonus from running on roads.The rest of them are just vehicles with enough crit packing to make them survivable.Finally, they're for cheating in Batchalls, because you deploy two tanks per point and these count as tanks.
>>98567111>we found a way to put aliens in BattletechOh god it's going to be clan invasion but the clans are animal people aliens.
>>98570201We're going back.
>>98570006>and these count as tanks.They don't. They aren't piloted by tank crews.Also, pretty sure the main pro of Quadvees is that you don't need to waste space and mass on turret.
OH N-
>>98569656What's wrong with their rules/stats?
>>98570707Stats wise as many anons have already said the main issue is a lack of crits meaning you can't really mount much equipment on them or if you do can't really take advantage of weight savings materials effectively. So you are just paying for an non optimal design.Rules wise I feel I am broadly generalizing here but it is a case their positives are too niche. Like the rule about them being considered one weight less i.e. an assault quad can cross a bridge only rated to carry heavy mechs, the situations where that is going to be useful are few and far between. The bonuses they also get to PSRs are best described that if you are in a situation where these are proving to be useful you've got much bigger problems to worry about.
>Capellans are canonically mostly hapas>especially House LiaoExplains both the mental illness and how grippy the girls are
>>98569525IWM still makes them and still has the higher priority for model licensing even if they're owned by CGL.It's also entirely irrelevant to the setting whether models of any particular thing are being made currently. There are hundreds of units that never had models and probably never will.
>>98570240But you can still technically equip quad turrets on Quadvees. Is there any purpose to that or is it entirely redundant.
