Were the campaign and books as bad as the Prime show?>S4, EP12The worst episode of any fantasy show.>Vecna wants to eliminate death>Vox Machina: "NOOOO AKSHAULLY DEATH IS LE GOOD!">women crying every 2 seconds>Vecna's apotheosis being the slowest event in history>moralfagging every 2 seconds>Pike being a backstabber every 2 seconds (never trust women)>Vecna actually is a man of honor and brings back Grog just to be betrayed by him tooImagine a fantasy / scifi show where deities are not assholes or atheist-revolutionaries triumph and we have a wholesome ending.Or there are no gods at all, so we have no retarded moral systems nor retarded afterlife bureaucracy.Why are fantasy / scifi writers so against to change, evolution, human triumph? All shows, games, films, books... feel the same>NOOOO pathetic human peasant you can't want something more, better despite elves or elf-like species lost their chance by going down into stagnation, narcissism and degeneration
>>98556868The campaign was (much) better and was carried by Sam and Travis.
>>98556872Perhaps it's too much to ask, but how different? Do you remember moments that show good it was?
>>98556868>>>/co/155150888
>All shows, games, films, books... feel the sameWhich other shows, games, films and books feel the same as Vox Machina, and in what ways?
>>98556868It’s an adaptation of Critical Role, what did you expect?
>>98556868what are you comparing them to?
>>98556897Sam understood the rules better than he let on and had amazing improv that was mostly played for comedy but he had sense enough to know when to flip the script.Travis played his character to the hilt and always wanted to push to the extreme end of something even if it ended up mechanically bad for his character/party.Therefore, a lot of the most dramatic and interesting things within the game happened thanks to those two.
>>98557120Why did they not keep them for the show?What was the point of turning Pike into a Celestial-descendant? In the og campaign she was just a normal gnome paladin.Was her #StrongWoman moment or what?
>>98556911Something good.
>>98560142First mistake.
>>98560154What was the second?Also, how did you know it was bad back then?
>>98560258It’s an animated adaptation of a podcast of other people playing ttrpgs. It was a bad idea to even consider in the first place.
>>98560592But that is more a problem for the screenwriters and the people that control their quality, not because it's from a TTRPG series perse. If the story is cool and you have a team with talent, you can create a masterpiece.
>>98556868The show misses a lot of details and fun moments.Also it ignores the drama behind the players, e.g that one bitch who ruined one guys life based on false allegations
>>98561092It’s specifically the “podcast of other people playing ttrpgs” aspect, not any of the individual elements. Podcasts are fine, they’re like long form radio. Watching other people play ttrpgs is weirdly passive, but adapting stories from real plays is fine. And Critical Role are entertainers, so I’d get wanting to listen to their out to character banter. But it’s why doing an animated adaptation is is bad idea. Ttrpg fans miss out on the gameplay. Thr podcast fans miss out on the banter and longer format. And Critical Roll fans miss out on the OOC discussions and insights behind their characters, as well as the actors themselves. It’s overall a shadow of all of those things by default.
>>98556868sucked
>>98556868Your hate thread in /co went nowhere. so you do a slight rewrite to looks for support here. Pathetic.
>>98561161Ok, thanks, that is a good explanation.
>>98561135>it ignores the drama behind the players, e.g that one bitch who ruined one guys life based on false allegationsWait, what has happened? How that affected the final version of the story?
>>98556909>LotR>Star Wars>Wheel of Time>Avatar>WF / 40k>GoTEtc. ALL of them have tech stagnation or even regression, despite having species with ultra-high-IQ and millennia old knowledge (elves, elf-like, dragons, "spirits", etc) and they still use unironically the term of "magic" despite they have knowledge (aka, "science", "sapienta") of that "magic". The theological and moral systems are retarded af.And again, the """bad guys""" (usually humans) are the ones that want to change the lame and retarded status quo and start a new Golden Age. While the """good guys""" are the ones that want to preserve the current awfully lame status quo (usually elves).
>>98556868Stupid horrid people made stupid horrid shit?Nooo....
/tg/ is SFW /trash/
>>98556868I dropped it in season 3. The dragon plot was boring
>>98568257Trvke. I still don't get why Raishan did reveled her plot, instead just disappearing fast and in silence. Also, what was the point of moving to another if Raishan became an undead, why not use her already dying body?Why did the (bureaucrat) gods of death not intervene?Why was bad that Raishan gets a new body? Would she starts a new war or just chill for all eternity?If she became an undead / immortal dragon, why did she not join Vecna and his 500-year masterplan?
>>98566792Why the Critical Role hate?
>>98571571Because it ruined the hobby by bringing in hordes of nornalfags, ending the Forgeite era and diluting that generation. Sure, The Forge was gay and pretentious and let to faggots like Adam Koebel being dominant figures in game design when he never even actually designed a game, and sure Vincent Baker was the progenitor of the PbtA slop craze, but there were tons of different games out, D&D 5e was new and fairly balanced and fresh, so people were interested in D&D again. Then Shitical Roll came about and dumped hordes of homosexuals and fat dykes into the playerbase and that encouraged the fags trying to pozz up D&D to pozz it up even more, everything became about 5e, everyone wanted to score Le epic nat20 greentext to share on social media, encouraging YouTube channels like Neckbeardia and Crunchy Tavern to come about, plus loads of others I don't even remember. The scamdemic made it worse, turning the hobby into a roll20-centric pissing contest for a few years, but the groundwork was already laid by then. Critical Roll fans came to expect this epic story from a professional-tier DM, and became the most spoiled brats imaginable. Everything about old TTRPG culture is dead now and it's thanks to Critical Roll. By 2019 their victory was assured and the scamdemic ended the old paradigm completely. Now everyone plays D&D and they all suck at it, every other book is about purple and green tieflings and orcs having a gay romance while running a tavern together, D&D is so gay soft and quirky that it truly is despicable, and Critical Roll being led by a man who paints his finger nails and whose uncle died of AIDS is a huge part of that.
>>98571626>very other book is about purple and green tieflings and orcs having a gay romance while running a tavern togethercan you name 1 (one) adventure modules in which this is the main content?>hard modemake it 2 (two)
>>98571685Waterdeep Dragon Heist has you literally owning a tavern.Journey to the Radiant Citadel is about a gay ass night market crawl.Strixhaven book has rules for your gay interracial college romance (and you're expected to do it).
>>98571705>Waterdeep Dragon Heist has you literally owning a tavern.and is the adventure module about being a homosexual tavern owner, or is it about dealing with Xanathar/ the drow/ Manshoon and a heist?>Journey to the Radiant Citadel is about a gay ass night market crawl.And on this night market, you do what exactly? Have gay sex? Is the premise of the adventure to get your cheeks filled, or is there something supernatural problem going on?>rules for your gay interracial college romance (and you're expected to do it)Can i see these rules and the expectation to use them?Going by the number of buzzwords in your previous post alone, i am going to assume you have terminal culture war brainrot and are desperately trying to see anything and everythin as gay and lame, to validate your culture war viewpoints
>>98556868you made this exact thread a few days ago you fucking retard>>98556900oh it was on /co/ . well kys.
>>98561161i can't ague with that. hell one of my favorite pieces of media is an animation of a various replays i.e. Record of Lodoss War.https://youtu.be/kagzOJsHBg4?list=RDkagzOJsHBg4
>>98571626>Forgeite era, The Forge, scamdemic, roll20-centric greentextExcuse my ignorance, but I don't know any of this terms. I know DnD for the Jeremy Irons' Kino (I know all the hate to that film, but for me it was epic). Can those changes in the editions ruin the game that much? Also, how has CR so much power?I can skip the fetishes they adds in their shows, but the shows themselves have no logic at all.
>>98571781Just because it doesn't have explicit gay sex scenes doesn't mean it isn't gay. If you had an actual registered testosterone level you would understand this and wouldn't be asking these questions.
>>98572456That movie had a lot of good parts. It's also pre2010 so before The Forge. I remember the 00s and yes they were ruined by 4th edition but thats a different beast. In the end Critical Roll is far far worse.
>>98572015Lore? Where can I watch it?Do you recommend it?You can't see this Kinos in tv anymore.
>>98573358>they were ruined by 4th edition but thats a different beast. How? >In the end Critical Roll is far far worse.Why? (Beyond the fetishes, nonsensical action scenes and retarded moral system (here I'm talking about the show))
I'm more of a storyfag than most anons in this board so I'm more forgiving of CR's campaign style. I think the main issue with it bringing all these normies into the game is that they have a specific expectation of how a D&D campaign is supposed to go, being a tailor made plot with "character development" and arcs and a whole hero's journey structured for their OC. 5e is possibly one of the worst games for that experience.The math of the game (around the time CR started) revolved around a character who is good at 2-3 things. It required you to have a very specific character build if you want to be good at most things, and even then you're trading off effectiveness in some aspects. This doesn't play well with the power fantasy of a semi-omnipotent borderline Mary Sue like Beauregard, so either you end up with a weird reflavored multiclass abomination to accommodate the fantasy or your GM has to pull a DoorMatt Mercer and neuter every single challenge in the game. The absolute state of D&D now is you've got classes front loaded to shit so you're already cool by Level 5, enemy math makes them all pathetic, and your DM is expected to structure a whole hero's journey curated theme park ride for your party without any tools that can accommodate that experience. Actual storygames have mechanics for escalating tension, challenging character beliefs, consequences for breaking/sticking to principles, and engaging with the world. 5e pretends it can be a storygame but it's just a mid combat RPG
>>98573375well one the most famous anime elf and why Gundam look like that they are all descendants of Deedlit. Also its dnd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Up8DQ6Mgoo that became sword world rpg if i remember correctly.https://recordoflodosswar.fandom.com/wiki/Lodoss?also there are 2 shows the 13 ep OVA by madhouse which is the kino beyond kino one and the adventures of a knight is the tv show and its worse but still better than most isekai bullshit today.https://anime.uniquestream.net/series/e48ozfft/Record-of-Lodoss-War also you can google this shit but i NEED more people to realize how good we could have it even today.
>>985734004e shifted the paradigm and identity of the game. It killed d20 system, for better or for worse, it reached for a new fan base, change the structure of the game just like 3rd did. Critical Roll however utterly raped the fanbase by bringing in outsiders. Before then, new players were mostly "groomed" by existing gamers, ensuring this sort of mentoring that preserved the culture. Critical Roll bypassed that and turned that social bond into something parasocial and destroying the culture, which WotC encourages because they hate the old guard who are harder to please. Better to bring in hordes of normalfags who will eat up whatever slop they put out. Which is what happened.
>>98561919That didn't happen until the third campaign, and it didn't affect anything.The blonde was married to a jerk, and they had a nasty divorce. The guy hosted a spin-off interview show and wasn't a player.The drama stems from the woman lying about being abused; the guy sued her for defamation and won.
>>98563517>Star Wars>elves>dragonsWhat?
>>98575629>ALL of them have tech stagnation or even regression, despite having species with ultra-high-IQ and millennia old knowledgeThey were just examples, you damn retard.
>>98576166Avatar and Star Wars don’t really use the terms “magic” outside of the token normie of their groups making a few jokes either.
>>98563517I get it, you're a retarded communist who thinks "change" is a noble goal in and of itself
>>98578645Go back to /pol/, fagtard.
>>98561919A woman made allegations of domestic abuse for one of the DM's and players. They cancelled him, it went to court, then the judge determined the entire thing to be without merit. They settled out of court after the fact. The woman still gets to play DND with the gang, by the way.
>>98556868You all are literally Just Jealous and caught up in your own fee fees
>>98579045Jealous about what?
>>98556868>>NOOOO pathetic human peasant you can't want something more, better despite elves or elf-like species lost their chance by going down into stagnation, narcissism and degenerationCan't post PDFs any more, so here: https://open.lib.umn.edu/ivanilich/chapter/full-text-english/
>>98579045I don’t run a podcast, what would I have to be jealous of?
>>98578947Heavy flak, post over target. Go back to bluesky, bluehair.
>>98579683What is the link about?
>>98578982That woman is Ashley Johnson, the voice actress of Pike, the new "demi-goddess" descendant of a Celestial that can't stop crying every 2 seconds, and betrayed her friends and later Vecna because "muh feelings" with 0 consequences against her.
>>98573350fucking kek
>>98576245"Magic" in the sense of stuff that has little or 0 scientific explanation, at least, for a while in the story.
>>98586536That’s still way too generic
>>98586791Yet, it happens in all those universes, and it cause the same bad cliches and faults.
>>98588805Maybe stop thinking of everything is like Tvtropes tells you?
>>98571626I think you're an insane person but I do also think that Actual Plays have fundamentally altered the hobby in a way that has damaged it and which it will never recover from.The audience is now far larger than it should be, so suits expect big returns on investment that literally can't be delivered.They demand the 5e audience because of shit like CR. Sloppification ensues.The Actual Play guys are now your playtesters for a lot of things, most relevant to me personally is Vampire the Masquerade. So the games become more and more tailored to them.Games are now designed around Actual Play groups, since it benefits the devs from 'exposure and hype' and benefits AP from exclusive access.And nothing can ever break this. The barrier of entry to TTRPGs is simply too low, anyone can upload a pdf to DriveThru. You will never have a Pathfinder come to shake it up, never have a VtM shake things up and be the 'second shelf' game. 5e is 70% of all TTRPGs, total, and the next 3 most popular beneath them are D&PF or something ridiculous. And that trend will continue because the suits want the 5e audience because of market dominance because of Actual Plays because...None of our old books are going anywhere, but I genuinely believe that Actual Plays have created a condition where for this to end or change, we'd lose mass produced TTRPG as a medium in the process.
>>98588818Dude, if those universes got adapted to the big/little screen by directors and screenwriters known for doing those (universally bad, disliked) cliches, welp, then those tropes are correct.
>>98591975Making an awfully lot of declarative and incorrect statements there. Including not knowing what a trope is.
