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>bawww I can't proxy because I can't picture an apple in my mind
MY VINDICATOR
>>98557893we knew it was gonna happen and having GW telling event organizers to just accept tacticals as intercessors is nice, I'm more concerned with the absurd power creep
I'm just happy 11th is going to have fewer models on the board, and all marine armies are getting updated at the same time.
marinefags got an entire game with only marines and they still complain
>>98557893woah, cool primaris predecessor intercessor with bolt carabine :)
>>98557920Normies gonna normie.
>>98557893>TQIt's the last straw for me to just proont and paint instead of building armies with GW plastic. I had thought of buying a SM combat patrol.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bbnskauh/big-space-marines-news/So T4 is no longer the gold standard. What a time to be alive (derogatory)
>>>98557893I only play Titanicus now desu
Real marines will return in The Scouring, this is my cope.
>boxnought and rhinos survive after being unplayably bad all edition and being ignored in every update>vindicators, whirlwinds and predators get squatted after being decent all edition, vindicators being pretty popular and getting multiple balance passesWhat.
Having to proxy Tacs as Intercessors is actually WORSE than if they got proper Legends rules because now there's no way to use a Tactical squad with heavy/special weapons in it. Your plasma gun or melta gun or flamer is just gone, your heavy bolter or missile launcher or lascannon is just fucking gone. Thanks dipshits!
DON'T TOUCH MY FUCKING CV
>local club non-tourney player is having a meltdown over the bunkerrumao
>>98557934
>>98557920>hey fuck you you're gonna leave favourite game and setting if you want to keep playing with your armyI hope your army gets squatted.
>>98557920Nobody wants that, it's the biggest problem with HH.
Sorry you cannot use your 25 year old kits firstbornfags, Primarischads just keep winning in the meanwhile
>>98557946see >>98557907
>>98557930I mean at least now there's finally a stat difference between normal power armor and the slimmer stealth power armorOnly one point of toughness separating mortal humans from superhumans in power always did seem kind of limiting. And Orks lording over them in both S and T would have stood out
>>98557950who asked for the pajeet head bit?
GW please... the chaos bikers...
>>98557942>Orks keep their flyers>Orks keep their terrain feature nobody usesLmao
>>98557893>marinelets deadRip Bozo.
>tfw the only reasonable thing left to do with my firstborn is add spikes and play them as CSM>I now know exactly how renegades feel
>>98557933the boxnought only "survived" because it's soon getting replaced by a primaris version that will wear the same name
>>98557952Yeah just let me proxy 80% of my army for units I don't want or like, most of which are just more boring versions of the old ones, that will sure make me enjoy the game a lot more.
>>98557950Saar I am not buying the new models
>>98557922Anyone who gets mad at this deserves it
>Orks get an entire detachment for Aircraft>new Space Marine codex sends all their Aircraft to legendsmake it make sense.
>>98557935There is... an option.
>>98557962>I know why the renegade cries
>>98557934I remember when Grav-cannon centurions were the stars of the game (7th ed I think?)Speaking of, is this the death of grav-weapons? Are they surviving this purge at all?
>>98557934>centurionsBecause they look like shit, like the rest of your army
>>98557964>80% of your armycan we see it?
>>98557950TWO KINDS OF HATS
>>98557954You say this as if it was a good thing. There shouldn't be stealth power armour in the first place and there shouldn't be any stat differences between them.
>>98557930It makes me vomit seeing T5 on models that should be T3
>>98557933Grey knights still use them
>>98557957>GW please... the chaos bikers...Gone, reduced to atoms. Pray that they don't replace with daemon engine riding chaos marines.
>lasguns need to roll a 6 to wound Intercessors nowinb4 "why do all guard players only bring tanks?"
>>98557963Doubt it unless it's a direct 1:1 update like they did with terminators as the unit is just callled "Dreadnought".
>>98557957Horus heresy doesnt have plastic bikers so it doesnt matter at this point.
>>98557985Bitch what I want thatFucking gimme
>>98557971We can agree to disagree but there is no reason to get personal or hostile
>>98557979Maybe you weren't around when there were rules for like four different types of terminator armour with rules just for marines
>>98557976I'M ON A BIKEI'M ON A BIKEEVERYBODY LOOK AT ME 'CAUSE I'M RIDIN' ON A BIKE
>tfw you started playing Chaos and now use 30k models as proxiesJoin me, brothers. Embrace the tanks that James Workshop has stolen from you.
RIP first born, you will never be forgotten.https://youtu.be/qKGM7gi50H8?is=scPmjnZALVhLukknMy firestrike turret lives for another edition
>>98557979it's not even like the phobos units have that much less armor than tacticus armor. it's still an 8 ft tall super human fully covered in space steel.
Leaked Eldar codex changes:>M 12" standard, 24" fly on vehicles/bikes>S4 Lethal Hits 3 on D1 shuriken weapons>A10 S4 melee profiles for basic eldar>All Eldar are automatically Level 1 psychers >Eldrad is Level 100 with access to any Psycher ability listed in any current-edition codex of any faction>Fire Prism Focuses Beam now S24, AP-7, D10>Fire Dragons squatted
>>98557986Bro what?
>>98557986you need a 5+ to wound against T5 with a lasgun, yah dummy
>11th edition reveal>not tactical intercessors with special weapons, just literally basic-ass intercessors, carrying the same 10 bolt rifles, and a few different helmets>11th marines codex gets teased>tacticals are now squatted and count as intercessorsI give up.
KOLOSSALKUSTODESKNOCKERS
>>98557983They won't.
How many of you are turning traitor
>>98557907Modeling for advantage.
>>98557986Wrong, this isn't 7th ed.T3 dudes shooting S3 at marines feel LITERALLY NO CHANGE from S OR toughness buffs
I'm never buying primaris, James, it's not happening. I'd rather just not play marines and pick a different army.
>>98557986>guardfag in charge of math
>>98558005>>98558009>>98558020I may have mathed wrong, my badMy point still stands though, if most of your opponents are now running "elite" armies, you're going to have to chase them with overbearing strength via bigger guns to beat out the dice odds on your weapon stats.
>>98558002based and lore accurate
>>98558017me >>98557962
Dear god, what is the Custodes power creep going to look like? Toughness 8 on basic custodians? Toughness 10 on their terminators?
You want tactical squads? There's a game for that.
>>98558019nice try /v/ermin shitposter, they're legally permitted proxies as per that article
>>98558025I mean it's funny because you would have been correct if it was still 7th edition or earlier. The changes to the wound table for 8th are retarded.
drazhar should be stronger
>>98557986>the most intelligent guard player
>he collects the posterboy army
>>98558030You primarisfags could have found an army you actually liked instead of removing every single classic and iconic unit from space marines.
Is this how Angron felt
>>98558031>but if attending a competitive Warhammer event, these units should only be used with the permission of the event organiserwrong
>>98558029Being TWO toughness above Marines baseline was already taking the piss. Hopefully they let gold boys stay where they are
>>98557950I'M THE CAPTAIN, OF COURSE I GET A GOLDEN BIRD ON MY MOTORBIKE!
I want to see a Heavy Bolter profile
>>98558030Nice, does it have rules for my friends who play Orks and Tyranids and Eldar and Sisters of Battle and Necrons and stuff too?
>>98558036I play chaos predators in tsons and know some time next year they'll also be squatted
>>98558029Don't forget the Death Guard!
>Cadia blew up and its model line still outlasted firstborn.Cadia Stands
I wonder how this will fuck up the arms race for the game. As if it wasn't bad enough having to plan your lists around skew armies or having to blow apart marines as they were.
>>98558002>Eldarfags so assfractured as a result of not being the most broken faction for all of five minutes.Money can't buy entertainment better than this.
>>98557893I mean, it was going to happen sooner than later, but stll hurts. And I don't even play marines.I didn't expect predators and vindicators to get squatted too.Rest in peace, emperor angels.
>>98558039Marinefags are just Closet Eldar player.
So in summary, GW is bad at running their own games?
So purestrain Genestealers are going up to S6 T5 then, right?
>>98558049if they don’t mind proxying them as daemons, sure
>>98558030but then they couldn't mock xenos every other posts as their enemy options are other marines, cooler mechanicus, custodes and knights
>>98558041Tourneyfags are the source of 90% of 40k's rule bullshit and deserve nothing but suffering.
>>98558063This has been known for decades
>>98558057did you memoryhole the guardfag melty that happened a few weeks ago or?
>>98558065Kill yourself
>>98558066They can also fight guardsmen in diving suitsDon't forget the guardsmen in diving suits
>>98558064Not everyone has to get crept up. If anything this new standard opens up more room for granularity that wasn't there before
>As a guard players most of my guns are either too weak or too strong to notice the marine toughness chancelolLmao even
>>98557986I mean, yeah why wouldn't they? The whole point of lasguns is weight of fire. Isn't that how Guard plays in lore too? Bog down elite shit with cheap bodies so you can have your specialists deal with the problem? They should make heavy weapons teams BS 4+ and squad heavy weapons better too, like give plasma guns D2 on their regular shot, D3 on overcharge.
>>98557950I can't get over how shit are Primaris bikes
>>98558071Shouldn't even worry about the game aspect & just collect minis then.
>98558057>OINK OINK, now muh Marines are finally accurate, SQUEEEE >Take that, filthy xenos!>Where's the updoot button?
>>98557976is that crest really obscuring the barrels of the bolters? goddamn
>>98558040He doesn’t really feel anything, he’s an idiot.
>>98558063I don't even know what they're trying to do. Half the stuff they're squating is already pseudo-squated by having dogshit rules for the last couple of editions. I don't get why they want HH and 40k to have separate product lines. It's all the same plastic.
>>98558089No? Just look at it
>>98558039>instead of removing every single classic and iconic unit from space marinesYou say this like it's the primarisfags fault. It's GW's fault be accurate about it.
>>98557893Can you add Drookianon's stuff to the Your Dudes list? That autist posted a whole PDF of his army with lore and unit compositions and I know one of you guys must have saved it. I hope he still lurks these threads, last I heard he was getting married.
>>98558064It's now pretty obvious that the new enhancement was a quick patch to get them where they are supposed to be compared to marines, so S5 T5 D1
>>98558066>cooler mechanicuslollmao
>>98558050You might get lucky and get a new kit
>>98558080Genestealers are explicitly stronger and tougher than Marines in lore retard.
>>98558031>Ahhh I want to cheat and use tiny older models as good models
why are people pretending like they care for firstborn. We all know you have the surperior primaris.
>>98558094Primarisfags enabling it by buying them.
>>98557930Are the new bolter stats a side grade since you arent getting 4 shots per marine now?
Surely marines will get a huge increase in points... right?
>>98558086Literally the same
>>98558066>they couldn't mock xenosThey hardly do that now, like 80% of space marine posts in /40kg/ expressing any opinion on any faction are just crying about the state of space marines.
>>98558072guard are SS tier now, guardfags had a melty about not being able to run armies true to the lore instead of kasrkin escorting dorn companies
>>98558103>using oldmarines is cheatingi wondered when we'd get here
>>98558017I think I'm just gonna give up on learning to play altogether.
>>98557893Rest in peace space marines. Glad I got to run them a couple more times in 10th but hey it's time. I've got plenty of armies and I can still play old editions with my dudes so it's whatever. I require a bit of karmic balance for how good Orks have gotten it anyway
>>98558119stop replying to your own bait
just imagine custodian stat lines
>>98558101Depends on who is writing Genestealers also regularly lose in close combat to a baseline human in the cain novels
>>98558107>how dare people like different things than I doAre you gonna get mad that people buy xenos shit too?
>>98557986Do people really complain about Guard only bringing tanks? They are literally the "tank faction" of 40k.
>>98558109They literally stated in the vid that they are getting pricier in points, yes
>>98558098>>98558066Fitstly its the mecanicum in 30k, not mecanicus, secondly thats a skittari model, not a mecanicum model, skitarri a seperate faction in 30k, tourists
Somebody check on the copper shouldered lolcow he's probably about to kill himself LMAO
>>98558125>cain novelsBL isn't canon, I posted actual rulebook lore.
>>98558126You can like shit all you want, you just don't get to take away my stuff, replace it with shit and tell my I should be glad.
>Orkfags justifiably mad about losing Burnas/Lootas and two buggies>It turns out that Marines get Squathammered even harder, but without any good models to make up for it.Turns out that Orks really are the best.Pic related, an Ork groundclearancemogging an elite Space Marine Captain
>>98558064Genestealer have been nerfed so hard it is absurd.Genestealer should be M9, S6, T7, W4 if we apply marine stat bloat logic.
>>98558139I didn't take away your stuff though? It's still GW who did that.
>Eldar are currently bottom of the barrel>New Marine update reveals that Intercessors will now wound all Eldar infantry on 2+, and all Phobos Marines now move as fast as Banshees while remaining T4 (and likely getting upgraded Bolters to match Intercessors)>This is also before any buffs from Leaders or Stratagems, which Marines have the most of anywaysSo they turned Eldar from being 'Unfun To Play' into 'Genuinely Unplayable Trash'Next GT is going to have more Imperial Agents players than Eldar players.
>>98558098
has it ever been so joever?
>>98558137>BL isn't canonYou can argue that shit books aren't canon but the minis are nothing if there's no lore narratives holding everything up.
>T4 Phobos>T5 Tacticus>T6 Terminator>T7 Gravis
>>98558143Correct.
Rip my sweet prince. You can rest now
>>98558150Sicarians are that concept done well, battle pilgrims are an AI generated attempt at recreating them
>>98558149>New Marine update reveals that Intercessors will now wound all Eldar infantry on 2+S5 bolt weapons still wound eldar on 3+ this has changed nothing.
>>98558153>Melta Guns only wound Intercessors on a 3+ now
>>98558152The actual lore is in the rulebooks, newfag.
>>98558149This is the filter that will weed out the undesirables from the Eldar playerbase
>>98558149>New Marine update reveals that Intercessors will now wound all Eldar infantry on 2+The bolters are worse against you dipshitYes S6 bolters hurt you on a 2+ buts its no longer 4 shots per marine.
>>98558159They have a S:6 profile.
>All Rhino-chassis tanks going into legendsOh I'm about to get some predators and whirlwinds for my midhammer collection dirt cheap
>>98558157I don't see much different other than being in narrower stances.
>>98558159Anon, the Focused firing profile is S6 with the same range.
>>98558156
>>98558169As less shots you imbecile
>>98558169And you won't be using that one against T3 shmucks
>>98558172See
>>98558171>pilgrims have world of warcraft guns>pilgrims have legs way too long for their bodies and not in a cool transhuman body horror way>pilgrims have tiny pinheads
>>98558149fairweather fans will sell their eldar models for pennies on the dollarmore cheapies for me
>5 intercessors kill a tyranid warrior from 24" away>The warriors kill 0.5 marines in retaliationI hate this fucking game
>>98558101Yeah lore wise, purestrains should be anti-infantry 3+, fuck your toughness.>>98558125Cain novels were written a long time ago now, stuff since then has definitely made out purestrains to be terrifying to fight. I like the idea of having GSC throwing mostly disposable chaff (your hybrids and other brainwashed units) while you have your sneaky scalpel units take care of problems.
>>98558170except the rhino itself apparently
The hammerfall was done dirty
>>98558156how many do you own?
>>98558025Terminators will be T6.
>marines will be more expensive so they feel more elite So it's basically a direct black templars nerf since their basic guys only come in squads of ten.
>>98558195I have literally never seen one of these IRL
>>98558083If they're meant to be volume of fire, they should have a "critical mass" where it's rewarding to have so many. As it stands, they're just bodies to sit on points and die because they CAN'T do damage to most enemies they fight.Which them goes back to tankspam as the only logical conclusion. People don't want to get set up for a game of 40k that they know they'll lose, there needs to be the belief of a chance at victory.>>98558129I have unfortunately interacted with a good few people who complain about tank spam because it's "hard to kill" and "unfun"They never seem to comprehend the shoe being on the other foot, or the logical conclusions of intentionally weak weapons existing alongside intentionally strong ones in the same list for comparable costs (1 LR Vanquisher is the same cost as 2 10-mans of Cadians)
>>98558191>2026>playing anything past 4thIts your own fault at this point.
This is the actual 40k end times. Pretty sure they're just going to fully wipe the setting and Age of Sigmar us for 12th edition now.
>>98557893Is 40K dead or will all the players update their models to play in tournaments?
Gonna work on my collage project as a coping mechanism. What chapter of marine should I kill?
>>98558183>pilgrims have world of warcraft gunsForced meme.>>pilgrims have legs way too long for their bodies and not in a cool transhuman body horror wayIt's the same legs, they are just standing straight.>pilgrims have tiny pinheadsGorgets.
First in all things
So will GW just pretend that it was Primaris Desolation Squads and Primaris Gladiator Tanks that fought the Battle of Macragge or will it simply never be mentioned again? Only quarterly hardback narrative campaign books now
>>98558194Even though it's not legends'd those will be cheap too, people rarely use them because of the armor types restricting transport options.
>>98558149Eldar weren't the bottom, we actually were fairly OK. You just needed to play the mission and be smart. After the Marine buffs yeah it's gonna suck but there are definitely lots of armies worse than us rn.
>>98558195it was always dumb
>>98558204>Just roll 4th into /grog/ and fuck off already
I wanted to buy a hammer fall bunker.Never got to meme it up.I guess some people may sell them on the chap now, I could use some for Terrain.
>>98558208most players won’t have to update because they saw the writing on the wall 9 years ago and switched to primaris
>>98558205what's the point of Legendary Proxies vs Legends?Just so they can legally claim they didn't put tactical marines into Legends? Aren't Legendary Proxies and Legends units functionally the same thing?
>>98558212Gee, Boxnaughticus, how come your chapter master lets you have TWO assault cannons?
>>98558200Actually wait this might be even worse cause how are they gonna handle neophytes? Are they going back to having their own melee profile? They already have a worse save so multiple saves in a unit, but now it's also gonna be a mixed toughness unit with strength and toughness 4 neophytes.
>>98558211>superiority>not primacySome effort, please.
>>98558223No legends profile
>>98558213I’m more wondering why it isn’t legends, like what can even still ride in it?
>>98558212
>>98558212Do you understand how timelines work?
>>98558098now compare the vultarax to the archaeopter
>>98558098Crazy that they tried to sell these without even making them good, and even made them their own army list so you have to do a backflip to get them in an army at all.
>>98558210okay so you're blind and retarded or just shitposting, thanks for clearing that up
>>98558222What if I hate primaris? Why would I have switched?
>>98558179You will against Eldar who can't afford to lose their infantry.All this means is that Marines can just opt to obliterate any T3 infantry models they want to.Meanwhile>Avengers now wound Intercessors on 5+>Hawks now wound on 5+ with AP0, making them even worse>Fire Dragons now wound Marines on 3+ with MELTA GUNS>Dark Reapers need to use Starshot, the anti-Walker missiles, just to POTENTIALLY hurt Marines, Sunburst now wounds on 5+>Scorpions now wound on 5+ in Melee, taking them from usable to unfeasible>Banshees still wound on 3+ purely by virtue of Anti-Infantry, but will instantly get sniped with the Focused profile if they're ever even glimpsed by the Intercessors' 24" range
>>98558219This is 40k general anon. Not my fault you are playing ass editions.
>>98558245then you’re just retarded, you get nothing because you deserve nothing
No one not even primaris players like the desolation squad I don't understand what is GW doing
>>98558227BRRRRRRTTTTTT
>>98558251I hope your army gets squatted and all your models burn in a fire.
Don't worry grogs! They are still selling your model!
>>98558247Don’t worry, 5 Scorpions are also only 10pts cheaper than 10 new Boys making them even more worthless.
>Would need to play CSM for a proper marine armyWhat the fuck
>>985582472 shots at S6 is a flat nerf from the intercessors current 4 shots at S4 against eldar
>>98558205Some poor sod is going to quit playing 40k due to power creep, start playing AoS buy, build and fishing painting an army only to watch it get squatted when The Last World drops
>>98558245Play Horus heresy
>>98557930>T now on par with plaguebearers. Ah yes the notorious resilient nurgle daemons.
>>98558262This is me. Every army I've collected since I got into the hobby in 2014 from both WHFB and 40k has now been squatted.
Imagine how many more players and games we’ll have once the grid goes down, it’s gonna be sick!
>>98558262>last worldalready deboonked with the ogre refresh proving the """leaker""" wrong
>>98558267I don't want to switch to a different game and setting to keep playing my army. This is not okay.
>>98558260GW should write a story where firstborn marines turn traitor en masse
>Te..tell me about my firstborn.. w..we gonna have a great big army! and I'll get to paint the marines and play gam..
>>98558261It’s way better against aspects because you just guarantee killing them.
>>98558276>my armycan we see it?
>>98557935The heavy/special weapons are now the grenade launchers. Very difficult anon.Are you literally too retarded to figure out how proxying works, or are you so fucking no-games you don't know the current loadouts of the basic troop choice for your own army?
>>98558192Genestealers are also supposed to go ahead of the Hive Fleets and find new worlds to attack. They need to be able to survive on their own while outnumbered and surrounded.
IN THE ARMS OF AN ANGELFLY AWAYYY FROM HERE
>>98558262>Some poor sod is going to quit playing 40k due to power creep, start playing AoS buy, build and fishing painting an army only to watch it get squatted when The Last World dropsAnyone mentally retarded enough to spend money for AoS deserves to be rugpulled
>>98558286
>>98558276Show us your army mate.Show me those beautiful old Marines.I almost bought a vindicator this week, I was on talk with a friend but missed the store this Saturday.I wonder how the rest are taking it.
>>98558192Cain novels in general have Cain that is almost a super human. So everyone looks like shit by comparison
>>98558213The armour types it's restricted to are gone. It'll carry everything now.
>>98558277I'm still mad the og rumors of the imperium split was a primaris / firstborn split too, with gulli on one side and lion on the other, was bullshit.That would have actually been a great change in the setting>>98558279Never saw the movie, why did he kill him?
>>98558292Much smol, many uglee
>>98558283Do you know how math works?
>>98558291they still can because 99.9999% of the time they won’t be fighting marines
>>98558195did the toy buggie also get squatted ?sorry I play AoS, I don't follow 40k news usually
Did they really squat Rhinos and Vindicators? Why? How will death guard get anywhere now?
>>98558299That was never a rumor that was your wishlist
But... But why the aircrafts too?
>>98558294Lovely beakies.You could get away with using them in HH if you want to keep playing them.
if the imperium won't have you, chaos will.
>>98558289>a lascannon or a meltagun are now a grenade launcherYeah anon that makes me feel so great! This is exactly the reason why I liked tacticals, so that their special weapons are meaningless and reduced to a stupid underslung grenade launcher and not 8 distinct weapons with different uses and flavours.
>fatrak was right againSo rhino and land raider refresh incoming, tau get new crisis, new mech and new broadsides, custodes get new character and more refreshed units, and legion of the damned vs nobs box
>>98558299Nta but he was a larger than life retard and accidentally killed someone because of his tremendous strength.
>>98558212>So will GW just pretend that it was Primaris Desolation Squads and Primaris Gladiator Tanks that fought the Battle of MacraggeNo? What idiot thinks this?>or will it simply never be mentioned again?Obviously this, it's old history.
>>98558292These two are great kitbashes and I'm sad this era of customization is gone.Wonder how ass the new intercessor sprues will be.
>no deep-strike denial bubble>no CP generator>no FNP 6+Objectively downgraded.
>>98558304>marines vs genestealer in the rulebooks>marines lose their entire chapter>marines vs genestealer in the game>genestealer have issues killing an unarmed guardsmen
>>98558299Lenny had retard strength and accidentally killed a woman so a lynch mob was after him, George mercy kills him
>>98558299>I'm still mad the og rumors of the imperium split was a primaris / firstborn split too, with gulli on one side and lion on the other, was bullshit.Never heard of this, as other anon pointed that seems more like a grognard delusion than something games workshop would do.
>>98558299He had retard strength and accidentally killed one of the kids. He didn't understand the weight of what he did. His companion chose to shoot him before the mob did to save him from the likely beating/torture/horrible death he would have suffered.
>>98557893RIPIt took them 9 years, but they finally killed the Firstborn.
>>98558308It was a rumor, but you're too new to remember it>>98558314Doesn't feel right to have killed him, he needed help at worst, not a bullet
>>98557976>50 USD for one leader modelI will stick with the Chaplain on Bike I got for 15 bucks in 2024.
>>98558306>Did they really squat RhinosNo, learn to read ffs
>>98558310I want to play 40k, shoot at tyranids and orks. No one plays 30k here and I don't want to play against marines every single day.>>98558295>>98558294Here it is. Not shown there are another land raider, 20 termies, 3 drop pods, another 4 boxdreads and a bunch of characters (thankfully those survived) and a vindicator and whilrwind I got just last year that now are just gone.
I want different Bolt Rifle variants back. Bring back flavor
>>98558252>No one not even primaris players like the desolation squad I don't understand what is GW doingClearly a stop gap until GW properly updates devastators. They threw the suppressors and hammerfall bunker into the bin, they'll just do the same to desolation squads in like 12th edition.
>>98558315I can see it happening though. This is NuNuGW after all.At least during 5th-7th they pretended to care about the setting
>>98558324>It was a rumor, but you're too new to remember itBeen around since 4thYou're a larper
>>98558039Fuck Primarisfags.
>>98558330The different stat thing was retarded, but this was one of the rare primaris win.
>>98558330I want bolt rifles to die in a fire and be replaced by actual boltguns.
>>98557962>>98557968LET THE GALAXY BURN
>>98558273GW will just port all of those new models to the Last World too.
>>98557998Ngl the more I eye CSM the more I like the idea of an IH-themed army. Storm of Iron has also been great IW propaganda so far The 30k sculpts also look nice which is a plus.
>>98558342feels good man
>>98558332>Clearly a stop gap until GW properly updates devastators.It's just not gonna happen.
>>98558299>the movieIt's a book.>why did he kill himLennie (the retarded man being killed) had earlier that morning killed the wife of the son of their employer by using his tard strength accidentally. George shoots Lennie to save him from the lynch mob, figuring that a simple, quiet death would be preferable to the alternative.>>98558324George had 8 bullets in his gun (7 after Lennie), and the lynch mob wouldn't take no for an answer after Lennie killed Curley's wife. George chose to give his friend the easy way out.
>>98558306Death guard use the SM codex?
>>98558299>I'm still mad the og rumors of the imperium split was a primaris / firstborn split too, with gulli on one side and lion on the other, was bullshit.That was never a rumor. Nevermind that it is fucking retarded and anyone with a half a brain would've realized that GW would have never done it.
>>98557893DAY OF THE YOU-MUST-BE-THIS-TALL-TO-RIDE SIGN IS UPON US
>>98558302>most intelligent marineoinkerIt's like fucking poetry, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Did you notice that Scrungaloids were NOT squatted. They are the lowest form of life after all.
>>98558318other than t5 on Intercessors(a unit people only take 1 unit of 5), is the SM codex a huge nerf? they also lose Oath of Moment.
since both 11th edition codex so far got unit squatted, why would anyone buy anything for their armies until their codex is released?
>>98557930M8 Phobos lol, Eldar should've invested in tactical jorts
Kinda sus how GW just decided that Uriel Ventris and Honsou never existed, is Graham McNeil on blacklist or something?
>>98558313Why do tau need new suits? They are fine
>>98558328You don't have a xeno collection?I mean even if my entire Marines dropped from the face of the earth I still have my Orks and Tyranids.Maybe you can get away with a paint job and theme them as renegade space Marines that were unrighteously persecuted by the ordo astartes(Games workshop squatting them). You can still make them a renegade warband with some elbow Grease to salvage them.
>>98558325>>50 USD for one leader modelPiggies gonna pay.Also>Laughs at Star League English
>>98558358
>>98558352I thought death guard use CSM?
>>98558369the Twin Lance was clearly a proportion update to Tau crisis suits, like Primaris were to Tacticals.
>>98558358We'll see with their Codex rules
>>985583554 shots at S4 kills more eldar than 2 shots (1 shot past 15") at S6
>>98557893Honestly with the recent removal is how I've just noticed people liked Centurions.
If you’re so worked up about marines, you are welcome to play a better, non marine faction. No need to worry about a churn of retiring models, especially if you pick an army that just got a refresh.
>>98558365>HonshouYikes he's cancelled with Neil Gaiman.
>>98558384It's performativeThey're the most hated marine models until flying gravis and desolators for a reason
>>98558360hitting pause on my tau proont project until things crystallize into their new shape for them but i've plenty to work with in the meanwhileplaying it safe in the wake of how hueg if inevitable a change to mehreens has been carried out
>>98558358T5 bladeguard could be nasty depending on cost
>>98558312Tacticals have been completely useless since 8ed. The only flavor you've been tasting if you've been using them for the last 3 editions is shit, and if you couldn't guess where this was going 9 fucking years ago, you're retarded.
>>98558358Doctrines is good, but without Gladius stratagems it's for sure less powerful than Oath.
Pic very much related.They were called his Space Marines, and thry knew no fear.
>>98558375Where in the article does it state Chaos is losing anything?
Who got done dirtier?
>>98558345Also Perturabo will probably get a release eventually soon
>>98558394i felt this
>>98557930we are reaching movie marines stat line for fuck sake
>>98558398I didnt read an article I just saw someone say death guard use the space marine codex but they use CSM codex no?
>>98558399Firstborn marines literally carried this game for 50 years, yah dumb nigga
>>98558384It's a meme because a youtuber likes them.
>>98558204We should all just start playing 4th
Hello can I ask a lore question about chaos or will it get lost in the sea of tears that is the thread right now?
>>98558384the anti-primaris crowd latched on to them even though they were among the most hated marine model release possibly ever.
>>98558337>>98558353>Mad about a rumor they missedBoo-hoo>>98558351>it's a bookThat picture is from the movie, Brian.
>>98557930Genuinely disgusting. The marinebabs who wanted this will never be satisfied with any universe where their beloved primaris verbers can die.God help us when the custards are released because thats going to be even worse.
>>98558411You are not currently doing that?
>>98558370I have orks and I would buy admech the instant they allowed the 30k units but marines are still my favourite army. The big armoured space man with drop pods autism is strong in me and I loved how customizable marine squads were. I got tons of tactical and devastator marines to have different loadouts and now all of it is gone.
>>98558399there's more tactical marines with a rocket launcher out in the wild than there are sigmar marines ever sold.
>>98558403Death Guard have their own codex.
>>98557930Hell yes baby>>98558419SeetheMarinechads stay winning
>>98558377They look so ugly
>>98558413>can I ask a questionjust ask you mongrel if this post had the actual question I'd have answered already now you've wasted both out out times
>>98558289>a fucking PLASMA gun or LASCANNON is now the shitty grenade launcherDude you actually need to fuck all the way off and kill yourself
>>98558416>real life skub niggerLmfao
>>98558426Ah ok yeah that makes sense theyre super popularIm pretty new
>>98558428>winning >having more units squated keep coping.
>>98558403>I didnt read an articlemany such cases
>>98558399sacrosancts in a sense that they werent even 6 years old at the time of their squattening.and they were the best looking SCEs imo.
I'll be honest, I miss the real Space Marines so much. The real Angels of Death. Those who were the desperate thin line on Macragge, on Armageddon, on the World Engine that wiped out the Astral Knights. Those who fought each other in the Badab sector.Forge World Chaplain Dreadnoughts and resin bits. Brothers cast in the 80s still being usable with their later plastic brethren.Tactical Squads coming with a plastic Missile Launcher and Flamer for some fucking reason lel.Now they are endless and limitless but not in a cool way. Not in a tone befitting those that came before. There's so much churn that even Primarine units are being phased out. A disgusting way to treat your most iconic line.
>>98558384These are not people you would ever converse with in real life. They are contrarians online who started after 8ed who are pretending. They are the second most hated marine model kit after the GK baby carrier.
>>98558417The movie is based on the Steinbeck novella (it's like 110 pages depending on font size) of the same name. You don't have to have seen the movie to know what happens in it.
>>98558383Anon the number of casualties doesn't matter when most Aspects are running in squads of 5 for field more Exarchs. Eldar are not supposed to be a high model count army.
>>98558405larp larp larp
>>98558352If rhinos get squatted for sm then death guard will also lose them and have to use the NEW 82 dollar mega sharttransport or the Shitmobible
>>98558436Malding about my toughass units lmaoo
>>98558341Fucking this
>>98558160Unless they're GODWYN PATTERN MELTA GUNS which will be S14 to wound terminators on a 2+.
>>98557968I feel like primaris themselves are so jarring when CSM didn't get their own truescale equivalent. Like GW could have just upped the scale of marines instead of doing primaris.Now firstborn have been squatted and CSM are just short marines. Like, that is so weird for the villains of the setting to be a shorter version of the heroes of the setting for no tangible reason other than the bullshit primaris lore.
>>98558417uh oh larper melty
>>98558448every chaos marine codex uses rhinos they aren't going anywhere, yah dumbo!
>>98558402>Actual marines have the same number of attacks (or more) as movie marinesHilarious
>>98558416As anti-primaris myself I fully admit that centurions were fucking shit tier and I'm embarrassed some of my allies in this fight are becoming such contrarians they defend the centurions just because they aren't primaris. Two different things can both be shit at once.
>>98558423I don't think it's completely gone.Some of it can be salvaged as renegade CSM for a while, or you could just rebase them and run them as primaris equivalents.People aren't normally assholes if you have the right base and we talked it out before the game.
Kinda want to do a CSM army where they're mutated into beastmen /spoiler . I'm torn between > primary legionary model with a beastman head /spoilerOR> Gors/ungors and minotaurs wearing salvaged marine armor (shoulder pads, weapons, a trophy rack of helmets) etc. /spoilerIt would be my first time kitbashing but I was curious if anyone has tried something similar and how successful you were
>>98558394
>>98558447>nigga acting like tactical marines weren't GW's best selling kit for 50 years (said by GW themselves)I honestly don't know what to tell you if you aren't shitposting except you are the larper.
>>98558166How are you so sure that there won't be a detachment/leader/stratagem that'll buff the number of bolter shots?
>>98558456They're literally the same size you retarded redditor faggot, stop your truescale shit or we will sacrifice you to the dark gods.
>>98558444>Talk about movie>urm, actually it was a book>Okay?>It's 110 pages longAre you on the spectrum?
>>9855847640k isn't even 40 years old you fucking shitbrained zoomer
>>98558441>Tactical Squads coming with a plastic Missile Launcher and Flamer for some fucking reason lel.They were free.
Trueskiggers are why all this shit got squatted in the first place giving gw an excuse to raise prices.
>>98558479Where do you think you are
>>98558445He's never fought Eldar before, otherwise he'd have instantly understood the consternation of a S6 bolter profile.
>>98558476They said this once, in reference to the new tactical kit, and they only mentioned it because the fighting uruk hai outsold it
>>98558483>anon's first day with hyperboleNGMI
>>98558484free*
>>98557893It's over. Last bits of 40k soul died.
>>98558484>freeWhat the fuck is that
>>98558467I don't want to run them as those things. If I wanted to play primaris or CSM I'd play those. I want to play my marines. Yeah I can run my 60 tacticals as intercessors but why would I want to? Intercessors are not tacticals and don't have the qualities that made me like tacticals. Devastators are practically impossible to run as other things too.
>MFW my Imperial agents gets tabled turn 2 by custodes
>>98558500>Last bits of 40k soul died.40k had no soul to begin with, it's an IP, not a person.
>>98558493How many times was it mentioned for a primaris kit?
>>98558503How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast yesterday
>>98558441>I'll be honest, I miss the real Space Marines so much. The real Angels of Death. Those who were the desperate thin line on Macragge, on Armageddon, on the World Engine that wiped out the Astral Knights. Those who fought each other in the Badab sector.This is so real, and the reason I get so pissed when people are like "lol just play horus heresy". No. Firstborn aren't the iconic units of the Horus Heresy, they're the iconic units of 40k itself, they were there at all the biggest most eventful battles for thousands of years in setting and decades in the real world. And we're all supposed to just toss that aside for these uglier new designs that look like Disneyfied marines?
>>98557962>>98557968>>98557998>>98558017Man I sold my Blood angels in 8th edition when the intercessors were released. I saw the writing on the wall a fucking decade ago.The CSM range update did sucker me back into playing marines tho. Its genuinely funny to me that GW managed to authentically recreate the feelings of the traitor legions within the new CSM players.Let the galaxy burn indeed.
>>98558445the number of casualties do matter. 20 shots at a unit of 5 is much more likely to wipe them than 5 shots at a unit of 5.
>>98558133It's 'Mechanicum' with an H, like 'mech'anized. Second, that is a heresy model you double tourist. However, the retard that posted that is just seething by not posting all the based 30k mechanicum models vs their bug eyed anorexic troops and their laughable Leonardo da Vinci vehicles.
GW can't win over the autistic unless they freeze the game and stop making new models.
>>98558505>playing imperial agents
>>98558306Rhino is literally the last non-slop model remaining.
>>985585025th edition codex. The edition that started the Free wargear stupidity>>98558484>5th>people still claim it was a good edition>it started all the stupid shit the game is still suffering from
>>98558507Repeatedly actually, they've talked about how primaris and contrast paints saved them from bankruptcy
>>98558503Just trying to help.I'd you are adamant they have to be space Marines the rules will leave you behind unless you find a group that wants to play old editions.
>>98558502Yours is 3rd, mine is 5th. The true reason is that the RT marines plastic kit came with missiles and flamers because it was the only thing they could carry at first and the following kits just kept the same weapons.
>>98558503Then fuck off to 30k already. GW basically announced loud and clear that they don't give a single fuck about firstborn anymore, either accept it or move on
>>98558491Not that kind of autism, I'm afraid.
>>98558516Nobody complained about new models until the new models started being shittier than the old ones. The 4th edition Marine releases for example were fucking beloved by all.
>>98558470I have neve done thisProbably make a test model
>>98558515>contrarian trying to pretend any of this can compare to the baseline skitarii kitLMAO
>>98558509I'd be hungry until lunch and probably in a bad humour if something irritated me while hungry, If a day had passed already I wouldn't care. Why is this relevant?
>>98558522No they did not ever mention any primaris kit as being their best seller ever. The gibberish you brought up is not the same thing lmao nice try
>>98558537>n-no they didn'tseethe more, tourist-kun
>>98558523>Just trying to help.I know man. It just sucks. Doesn't help that the reaction people usually have is this >>98558527
>>98558505>IA
>>98558522>primaris saved them from bankrupcyPost proof. You can somehow never, ever do this.No, the chart with the line going up at the release of 8th edition is not proof because GW sold 10 fucktillion kits for every faction including non-marines, oldmarines, everything under the sun.
Okay, what over the top cheesy story moments do you actually want to see happen? Be honest.
>>98558524>The true reason is that the RT marines plastic kit came with missiles and flamers because it was the only thing they could carry at first and the following kits just kept the same weapons.Not true. They could take all sorts including needle rifles and shuriken catapults but only those two were made in plastic.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
Good thing my army has almost nothing to buy so I'm not tempted to buy new shit
>>98558535The skitarii kit is really fucking good but the later waves of AdMech kits are mostly ass and everyone always wanted to mix their Mechanicum with their AdMech, that's why you still to this day have people mourning Fires of Cyraxus.
>>98558543nigger you're an adult man crying about plastic toy soldiers, find an actual support group if it hurt you this much
>>98558456the legionnaires and surrounding models were released like 14 years ago. Chaos marine's latest models, the red corsair raiders (who are also firstborn) are practically the same size as primaris.
>>98558276Ok then play the previous editions, unless you are a slave to the app. You have all the rulebooks physically and faq's printed out right?
>>98558548In the RT rulebook that's all they could carry. In the army list they added more options but flamer and missile launcher was still part of the default loadout you were forced to take.
>>98558550Careful what you wish for, anon. There will be Squattings.
>>98558543As rude as it may sound he isn't wrong.HH and CSM are secretly retirement houses for people that want to play Marines but don't feel like playing with primaris.I really don't mean to upset anyone with that sentiment but it is true.
>>98558547Fuck are you talking about? I just want rules and models that don't suck, I write the fucking stories by playing narrative games.
>>98558541We are not talking about the same things you stupid fuck. GW said the tac kit was their best selling kit ever. You are responding with primaris saved 40k. We are not talking about the same thing, you stupid fuck. Get the fuck outta here before I slap the taste out of your mouth. I don't have time for kids who started 40k in 9th edition.
>>98558524They could take almost all the same shit as tactical squads in later editions, the flamer and the only thing they put on the original sprue for cost savings reasons, because it was included in the starter set.
>>98558505>Playing against custodes
This sucks man, marines lost all their cool air unitsbut at least we have captain/chaplain/librarian on a bike/feet/jumppack/terminator/gravis
Lmao, all you can buy are the ugly as fuck primaris now. Even 30k made everything look like that awful MkX mix.
>>98558567>substitute all flamers with
>>98558533You were young. The old timers hated the new shit then too.
>>98558554I hope you find something you care about in your life.>>98558560It's hard to find people to play older editions, especially when the army or units they want to use didn't exist in it.>>98558570I just find the premise of having to go to a retirment house to keep playing the posterboy army fucking retarded. There was no need for any of this. It doesn't matter how anyone spins it still sucks and it will always suck.
>>98557907>>98557919>not even being allowed to use tacticals and devastators as tacticals and devastators rather than primaris units in cosplay is a good thing
>>98558582>flamer and missile launcher was still part of the default loadoutThis means you start with those. So the kit came with those as you weren't allowed to run 10 bolters.
>>98558516Truth Nuke
I like orks :D
>>98558579Suppressors were so iconic looking to me
When i was 11 and first got into warhammer, most players i played with were around the same age and had no isdues with loadouts being corect or building the torsos, now that 40k is mostly aimed at adults who have full internent access and seem to ask really basic questions at every step, why do kits need to be simpler?
>>98558596you and... nobody else.
>>98557919hahaha lol lmao
>>98558030Yeah, it's called 40k, and now you can "officially" use Tacticals as Intercessors, with 30k legionnaires.
>>98558165>>98558187These guys get it, if you collect and play eldar because they're strong I want you out of my fucking playerbase. >>98558261Are you accounting for the fact that marines can get 2 different sources of +1 to hit now so they hit on a 2+ through cover?I'm pretty sure there isn't much difference between 4 shots hitting and wounding on a 3+ and 2 shots hitting and wounding on a 2+.At least not enough to matter. Honestly leyhality changes don't fucking matter when everything already squad wipes eldar infantry. The real trouble is marines being so much tougher now.I'll adapt, I'll just guardfag it up and bring all tanks.
>>98558543You had 9 years to get your affairs in order or come to terms with it. Every edition people warned you of the great squatting to come. GW did everything but outright state it in plain text. They made those models worse than all their primaris equivalents, they stopped stocking them in stores, more of them were legends every edition. How is this a shock?
>>98558586There's still time before the squatting happens, dust your beakies and give them one last chance of glory while they are legal.It's now or never, give them the last glorious stand they deserve.
They could have at least aped mk 7 helmets with primaris instead of giving all primarines a retarded version of mk 4 (the worst looking helmet)
Do I l:>paint final 3 members of squad>try to magnetize tank>work on building a transport
>inb4 MkVII for inevitable Scouring game
>>98557930This unironically makes me want to use my 30k legion in 40k nowLike GW just gave me official permission to proxy them as intercessors when I would have just run them as firstborn before and now I'm giddy
>>98558596You still have them they're just merged into another unit
>>98558205That list is too short they should axe every single unit that is not a remake of the original space marines and cut this primaris cancer for once.
>>98558598Why don’t you go pound sand nomodels
>>98558611Scouring is never happening.Also you already got your mk7, go buy the Red Corsair legionare models.
>>98558617stop ban evading
>>98558605>bring all tanksSay it with meFive. Hundred. Hippogriffs
>>98558484I will say tacticals were overpriced in 5th and 6th edition for what they were. The free weapons were kinda necessary.
This is now a 4th edition General, ask questions about 4th edition rules, post 4th edition armies, discuss how to backport modern kits into 4th edition (surprisingly easy in many cases, there are custom vehicle design rules that can make anything and even tyranid monster rules for the bugs to get in on the fun). Plus you can almost effortlessly backport anything up to 7th edition and from Horus Heresy 1st edition, too.Fuck GW, intercessors are the ones that have to be proxied as tacticals.
I keep getting told by Ork players that one of the downsides of their codex is the complexity and number of shitty rules/abilities are causing problems. I thought the narrative said they were shrimplifying everything?
>>9855860690 years could have passed and my thoughts wouldn't have changed. I don't want this and never will. I don't think this is hard to understand.>>98558607I signed for the biggest tourney in my country but this codex is gonna come out right before it and now my list isn't even gonna be legal. I still had stuff to paint and now all my motivation is gone.
>>98558605>Are you accounting for the fact that marines can get 2 different sources of +1 to hit now so they hit on a 2+ through cover?what else is in the new codex, nostradamus?
>>98558204Agree
>>98558608Mk7 looks too scary for normies
>>98558627Are these ork players in the room with us now?
>>98558612>Like GW just gave me official permission to proxy them>bro the hecking mega corporation gave me a permission to do something that I and anyone else could have always doneActual goy cattle mentality. Good Christ
>t goes up to 5>but all weapon s also goes up to 5What's the point then? Just to bully factions with no new codex?
>>98558606>GW did everything but outright state it in plain text.Instead of warning they could have... not squatted the most iconic and basic units of the army? Just a thought.
>>98558610yes
>>98558646Which one?
>>98558624Go make another dead /Fourk/ general instead that'll die in less than a week.
Man they still SELL most of those marines. My local Warhammer store has three of those kits on the fucking wall
>>985586271 ork unit datasheet has more rules than an entire detachment rules.
>>98558652Nah, we'll just do it here instead. This is where it belongs actually.
take 6 wave serpents all crewed by corsairs so they can scout and clog up the board
the marine aircraft was fucking ugly and I'm glad it's gone
>>98558535I don't know why you think it's contrarian to like superior kits. Unless you think I just be kneeling to stilty here.
>>98558643They've already been slowly replacing them across the years. They even replaced them in fucking HH with the primarized versions of old marks. Just accept that the corpos wanted you gone for several editions now.
>>98558543
>>98558662Stormraven was pretty cool actually. I didn't hate the Stormhawk either, the only really ugly one was the Stormtalon. Xiphon obviously mogs, though.
>>98558341Kill phobos and heavy intercessors too.
>>98558660Ok, so it'll die in less than a week here. No difference.
>>98558664>They've already been slowly replacing them across the years.And they could have just not. They could have just done a proper update like they did with terminators and CSM instead of ruining the army.
>>98558631That's for a tournament, you should be able to schedule some games before that right?
Not even a day..
The only Space Marine flyer
>>98558672But Phobos look like mk7. They were designed for fans of tacticool marines like mk7&8. They even got smg bolt carabines and darth vader helmets
>>98558624SOVL
>>98558667Both of those Q&As are typed in the present tense, they explicitly promise nothing
I'm praying really hard that valkyries and other legend variants are good in the IG codex
>>98558683I'm honestly surprised they killed centurions. I know everybody hated them at first, but recently they seem to have obtained some "so bad it's good" type cult status. Wonder if we'll see primaris equivalents sooner rather than later.
In what world would GW refresh firstborn units? Firstborn fags should be admitted to mental hospitals for psychosis.
>>98558682I was gonna play a bunch to practice for said tourney but again now my list doesn't work. Right now I don't wanna touch a model.
>>98558700The world where they remove them from the codex?
>>98558700>In what world would GW refresh firstborn units?The world where they did this with Terminators and it was the biggest hit for a new marine unit of all time.
>>98558700We could have had compromiseCould have changed Ints to be called 'Tactical Intercessors', finally let them have special weapons and then bam, the units are merged
>>98558700?
>>98558698When you say bad do you mean visually or mechanically?
>>98558684I know they do it because its cool but its a pet peeve of mine when they have SM vehicles with multiple crew. Like when you're a demigod superhuman you don't need a gunner and navigator and radioman and tea fetcher. You do all that shit yourself.
>>98558711You have S:10 Grenade launchers as your special.
>>98558711>'Tactical Intercessors'Literally why? Just call them tacticals even if they are still all mkX. There's no reason for intercessors to be a thing at all. They didn't call sternguard and vanguard vets any different with their updates.
>>98558689How they were typed is irrelevant.The image illustrates the point of how clueless idiots people were thinking that GW wouldn't axe the firstborn when primaris first showed up. And then combine this shit with every subsequent edition where GW took away more and more firstborn units.It's literally frog boiling in a pot metaphor. I don't feel sorry for the frog (firstborn players) because it was told time and time again by everyone around it that the temperature of the water is rising (GW removing firstborn entirely), and the frog still decided to stay inside the pot.
>>98558694Wait the Valk is going into legends?? But I just bought a kit!
>>98558711It's weird they haven't done that. Even in SM2 you have Tactical class which are just all those Tacticus monoloadout Intercessor like units merged together
>>98558698>but recently they seem to have obtained some "so bad it's good" type cult status.This never happened. It's literally a fucking meme that only appeared on here.
They could have at least done a "tactical intercessors" squad with two embedded special weapons. But no, 11th edition calls for a rerelease of the same basic-bitch intercessors that started all this shit.
>>98558633Intercessors can also do actions while battleshocked. They can also do actions and still shoot.Basically if these assholes sit on an objective they suddenly hit on a 2+ through cover with their S6 AP-1 D2 guns.It also works just fine for shooting enemies off of obectives, tho you probably want the other profile if you're doing that so you can advance and shoot.Source, the fucking video in the new article.
>>98558714Visually
>>98558725Christ you people are idiots (he didn't say valks are going into legends and nowhere anywhere is anyone talking about IG legends right now).
>>98558710>>98558713new firstborn sculpts, not primaris versions of old units retard
>>98558725No, the valk is still a normal unit but the vendetta, the vulture etc are legends
Space Marines core unit should have been called Tactical Death Angels. That name goes hard as fuck. "Intercessors" sounds so limp-wristed.
Feels weird being a cutodesfag and seeing everyone flipping out over marinefags.
>>98558711>Could have changed Ints to be called 'Tactical Intercessors'They'll release a kit of those during 11th edition at some point, maybe in 2028. Or they'll make them in 12th edition and replace the intercessors with them, or make them a separate unit.
>>98558733I know when I started it was one of the first units I purchased because of the way they looked, shocked people disliked it.
>>98558735We all know they'll never do new firstborn sculpts we just don't want the core units of the army to stop existing and be replaced by shit primaris replacements that miss everything that made the originals cool.
>>98558569>>98558550Kabalites (refreshed)Hand of the Archon (squatted)Vect on Dais (NEW) centerpiece vehicle+vect also gets an "on foot" profile (no slave girls)new urien rakarthThat's it
Rip centurions, and rhino variants. I can see the rhino getting a new kit tho.
>>98558572>GW said the tac kit was their best selling kit ever.Nah, fighting uruk-hai is
>>98558735We have had this conversation 145,663 times.
>>98558624It's the only reasonable way to play 40k
>>98558732>can do actions while battleshockedSo what's the point of battleshock at all then if the basic unit in the most played faction can just ignore it? An "invisible hand" way to coerce players into playing marines by making it seem like it was the player's idea to begin with?
>>98558735the new terminators are not primaris versions because they don't have retarded names or retarded weapons (like that cyclinder on every primaris gun) or retarded armour changes
>>98558743Anon they just updated the intercessor kit in 11th. If it happens it will be in a decade.
>>98558751>intact 3rd ed necron codexI kneelI read mine so many times it eventually disintegrated.
>>98558663That's better than 95% of the mechanicum range but you'll just pretend thallax are the entire range like every other larper
>>98558618THEY'RE RAIDERS REEEEEEEE
>>98558721They still want a word in there that makes it easier to copyright
>>98558732>Heavy AND +1 on ObjectivesHoly shit they really can just park themselves and start blasting anything within 24"
>>98558750Firstborn are dead now. We can recognize that Termiantor armor is only for kings.
>>98558751Based, missing an Ork dex though.
>>98558750>new models have primaris balls on the ankles and knees, a trait only seen in gravis armor>the half mask head is just a gravis "gasmask"They are just primaris terminators.
>>98558752It can do actions but it can't capture objectives.>>98558761Unit names aren't trademarked so that's irrelevant.
>>98558686As god intended
>new marine wave>intercessors 2>fancy flying intercessors>bikes>maybe land raiderHoly BORE
>>98558555>the legionnaires and surrounding models were released like 14 years ago.they were released in 2019 retard
>>98558700All they had to do was Truescale the classic Marine designs, update the posing a little bit, and throw the occasional new unit in and they'd have printed endless cash. The entire Primaris aspect was entirely unnecessary and could've been completely ignored, even with the whole Gathering Storm thing. Just make Cawl's stash a stash of regular Marines that he's been stocking up on for millennia.
>>98558751The art back then was so nice
>>98558711seriously like how fucking hard is it to just add a special and heavy weapon to the squad whats the big fucking deal? It would make everyone happy. Same goes for dev squads, and all the metal boxes their getting rid of for no reason.
>>98558752It will still drop their OC to 0 and block them from using strats
>>98558755>Anon they just updated the intercessor kit in 11th.Ok, so they'll make a tactical intercessors into their own kit/unit.There.
>>98558767>the half mask head is just a gravis "gasmask"
>>98558774>what is hyperboledamn you autistis just can't help yourselves. the point stands because the more recent CSM models are bigger as clearly shown in the image.
>>98558735New Tactical squad will be all Mk10 anywayMk7&Mk8 at best will get only Mk7 and only Mk8 boxes for HH, exactly this same as beakies
>ork codex still has rules for fortifications>has an entire detachment for aircraft>"oh cool, maybe they'll actually do something with those this edition">space marine codex removes their aircraft and fortificationsare the multiple groups writing the rules for this edition just not talking to each other? The core rulebook didn't have the rules for psykers, that had to come out with the Ork codex. The Ork codex has an entire detachment for flyers, but the SM codex is sending them all to Legends. don't all these people work in the same building? how do they have no idea what anyone else is doing?
>>98558752If your army specializes in battleshock then it can fuck with them via other mechanics and prevent them from capturing objectives. Battleshock is also sticky now which is nice.
>>98558776This, it's actually insane how easy it would have been for them to appease everyone. Even mix in a few new bits of Mk X armour just not make it everything, everywhere.
>>98558716serfs and servitors
>>98558767>>new models have primaris balls on the ankles and knees, a trait only seen in gravis armorwrong, ankle balls AND gorgets are a mk8 invention zoomzoom
>>98558470This would be a very difficult project desu AnonThere's no way you could make it look good without learning how to sculptIf you do just beastmen heads they will look mid as they wont have the iconic hooves. If I was doing this I'd use Bestigors as a base because they already have armour & find a 3D print or 3rd party bits for some left-handed bolters. Then add some MK6 shoulder pads and sculpt some bigger flat bits of armour so they look like they could've once been marines.
>>98558772And the pigs will STILL leave the slop trough empty.
>>98558779Think they're just set on the roles of basic Marines units being very rigid and clear. 'The basic space marine unit has basic space marine guns'
>>98558792It’s to push marine players to buy Primaris vehicles.
>>98558752Erm, Space Marines are the bestest and most elitest force ever with the most powerfullest combat doctrines and stablest tactical thinking. Clearly they should never actually be battle-shocked as tbat goes against their lore.
>>98558784That's a covid mask, completely different.Also that's an inquisitor model, it's irrelevant to marines.
>>98558547I want to see nemesor Zahndrekh team up with Titus to help him slay nekrosor ammentar and then publicly a Necron Hero in front of Leandros
>>98558785You can't just claim hyperbole when you make an unexaggerated claim
>>98558763yeah, but 5 shots of 6/-1/2 for >100 points isn't doing shit to anything.
>>98558740Dw. The yellow man says you and Tau are up after the space marines.Marinefags will get their panties scrunched and come after you when your T8 Terminators make them feel inadequate again.
In fact the new kit they showed doesn't even have the token mk7 helmets. Mixed marks my ass.
>>98558792>are the multiple groups writing the rules for this edition just not talking to each other?SAME AS IT EVER WASSAME AS IT EVER WAS
>>98558752This is how GW has always made this shitty game. Make a rule, make rule for one army that completely ignores it. See leadership for 4th and 5th edition, may aswel not have even been in the game for marine players.
>>98558801Pigs are mostly newfags who don't know anything but primaris and comp/meta/combofags who pay money to win at games.
>>98558811*publicly declare him*
>>98558685Die scum. You deserve to pay 60+€ primaritrash rhinos.
>>98558801Yes we will fund the hobby for you ungrateful poorfags
>>98558803That's antithetical of space marine unit design and the biggest problem with the whole primaris thing.
>>98558799Only ankle balls are mk8, knee balls are primaris exclusive.
>>98558799Such a fugly armor pattern.
gw should have stopped making new things after 4th edition
>>98558801And you will still be here seething, yah poorfag fuck!
>>985586861235 points today.
>>98558835Watching people pretend mk8 wasn't universally hated after primaris released was always funny
>>98558819>incredibly flexible multipart kitWatch it not even get close to the shit we had 20 years ago
>>98558841Perfection.
>>98558799If they had just updated the classic squads with this look and CSM proportions I would have been very happy.
>>98558841That wasn't a 2k list back then either
>>98558747>New Kabalites>New Mandrakes>New Talos/Cronos>Yuge Vect model>Beastmaster squatted>Voidraven squatted>Razorwing squatted>Lelith redone again, looks even more masculine, is wearing pants
So the normal intercessors are all gonna be a mix of different mk armor but the assault ones will have all shiny new mkX armors now
>>98558845Of course not. By pure virtue of none of the weapons from the other kits being usable in the squad.
>>98558711It's wild how much of this comes down to not using the word "tactical" in the name. Autists cannot deal with that change in particular.
WHY WOULD YOU REMOVE THE KNEE PADS?I USE THOSE FOR COMPANY DESIGNATIONFUCKING MANLET BULLSHIT TAKING ONCE LAST SHOT FROM THE GRAVE
>>98558819>Retard thinks because the promo pic doesn't show options that were in the ETB kit that they won't be includedWould you think I disappeared if I left the room
>>98558821Leadership was a shitshow in pretty much every edition due to how it half the units ignore it, and another quarter have such a high value that they rarely flee, and then you have units no one takes anyway with their lower LD.
>>98558864keeek
>chooses to go to legends instead of becoming a shitmaris marinepedro has gone beast mode
>500 posts in an hour and a half40k.... is thriving....
>terminators buffed to T6>normal boltguns also buffed to S6ngl whats the point, can we not just have a creep free editionAlso RIP Manz being the only T6 TEQ
>>98558732No more sticky. Even less useful than they are now.
>>98558792>Be Robin Cruddace>Make broken codexes for the armies I like (too much seniority to be stopped)>Let the interns handle the restyou know it's still happening
>>98558864You just freehand a circle on it like they used to do
>>98558864womp womp
>>98558861>So the normal intercessors are all gonna be a mix of different mk armorNo it's all mkX.>>98558867Yes I think they won't be having extra legs or torsos and all of them are mkX in the pics. If they still have a token mk7 helmet per 10 models the point still stands.
>>98558049No, tell your friends to stop being fags and start playing the only faction that matters
The multipart incest sisters look so much better than all the firstborn shit that got squatted.
>>98558885>Yes I think they won't be having extra legs or torsos and all of them are mkX in the pics. If they still have a token mk7 helmet per 10 models the point still stands.not the point that was being discussed you fucking illiterate retard
>>98558642>basic weapon gets S6 D2if anything marines are MORE fragile now
>>98558793>army specializes in battleshockGreat, I can wait and see how the guard codex buffs artillery to hard shut down this bullshit in 2.5 years and then get to play with it for 5 months before starting the cycle over like 9th again
>>98558876MANZ just constantly catching strays>Unique gimmick of extra health for a termie? Now everyone has extra health in similar suits>Higher S+T? Now everyone has higher S+T>Unique weapon optionslol
>>98558891The point is that the whole mixed marks thing was a lie.
Maybe the heretics were right.
>>98558875>half the posts are calling the other half secondaries because of disagreement over space marine minutiae
>>98558858>BeastmasterI meant Scourges. Got birds on the mind apparently.
>>98558829Phobos are a natural extension of Mk7&Mk8. Everything about them with pouches everywhere, scopes and other tacticool bits, grill helmets it all stems from them and people hating on Christmas trees This is why focus on Tacticool and Phobos releases was first and never happened again after they were rejected by people for whom they were made. So they pivoted 180 degrees into Knight Marines with 9th, from now on inspiring Primaris by mk6 and below since mk7, 8 and Phobos approach failed
>>98558772yeh i really only give a shit about a new rhino or land raider kit desu
>>98558811Do you have any idea the level of seethe this would generate? GW should 100% do this.
Feels good being stuck in the past for once
>>98558889>The multipart incest sistersI don't remember the Devout sisters being a multipart kit.
>>98558912I'm really not in the mood for your bullshit.
>>98558875Yea this place is the go to hot spot it seems for recent news scuttlebud
>>98558863You may be unto something here.
>>98558899I was already pissed they didn't get bumped to 4W after normal Nobz got bumped to 3The 1+ armour save is pretty nice, if they give that to regular terminators I'm gonna reeeeeee
>>98558799The OG sculpts even had the swooping ear covers that everybody lost their mind over on primaris lmao
>>98558914I’m curious to see how they improve on the existing land raider, maybe they go hover raider instead? I like it how it is now personally and already have 2 dolled up.
>>98558554>nooo, you're not allowed to care about your hobby, just eat the slop you're given and get excited for next productkys
>>98558932I feel like terminators need some actual killing power, not even more survibability.
>>98557968Man these look so good, almost makes me want to start a CSM army and these are just the most basic battleline.How do you even run them? Just give them all chainswords, pair it with an evil chaplain to get +1 on the wound roll?
>>98558877>actions and shoot.>actions while battleshocked.>actions while engaged.>+1 T.>but muh sticky.Retard.>>98558815Rapid fire 1, 10 shots at S6 AP-1 D2 hitting on a 2+ through cover within 12" is better than 20 shots at S4 AP-1 D1 hitting on a 3+ through cover.Though I must admit that old intercessors are better at shooting between 13" and 24". 3 shots are better than 1.
>>98558935>maybe they go hover raider instead?Fuck no. It just needs a new kit that fits properly. No need to change any of its looks. Same with the rhino.
>>98558885>No it's all mkX.Isn't the whole point of the armageddon intercessors that they use parts of older MKs because they're running out of primaris parts
>>98558864You would have had an autistic shit fit over firstborn kits. 1/5th - 1/3rd of their legs didn't have kneepads depending on the kit.
I thrive when marinepiggies cry. It’s so cathartic.
>>98558938and now you have it with S6 D2 stormbolters
Primaris are new so they’re the cooler ones and only the cool models should be in games Imagine being poor and not getting the cool new things lmaoooooo
>>98558938As long as Genestealers can kill terminators all is fine in the world.You can buff their weapons to strength 10 for all I care if a Genestealer can wound them on 3s.
>>98558953You would thrive if you decided to wash your ass more than once a week!
>>98558953You don’t have any models and it’s made you bitter and ugly
So am I retarded now if I play space marines and not ultramarines/blood angels for their extra units?
>>98558955Remains to be seen if this extra mode will available for storms too, could just be a rifle thing
>>98558949Yes, people are just mad because they're slightly "primarized" i.e. ear covers.Also they should have been more mixed, as it is it's barely a helmet and a knee flange.
>>98558811>literally this but with Zahndrekh and Titus.
>>98558864The knee fins look pretty well defined, so the shins might still be separate pieces, which hopefully means universal knee pads are still possible.
>>98558875>major 40k news>/40kg/ at insane speed>/wfg/ dead>/aosg/ normal#noticing
>>98558947>>actions and shoot.>>actions while battleshocked.>>actions while engaged.Nigga there's barely any actions in 11th are you high?
>>98558938They’re going to T:6 and will have base stats S:5 AP:1 storm bolters.
>>98558175
>>98558949That's what they said, the models don't show that.
>>985579304th edition tourist here, I guess pulse rifles are not strenght 7 for being literal pocket plasma and canonically stronger than bolt weapons. Nu hammer sure is a fucking joke.
>you think i like space marines?>i squat space marines for fun
>>98558959>Primaris are newIt's been 9 years.
>>98558879>You just freehand a circle on itFree handing circles is difficult, and it doesn't even look as good as a nice knee pad which has areas for shading.
>>98558867if they wanted to promote the kit for its variation, they’d have shown more variety than the mk10s back to back.
>>98558955We haven't seen the profiles for storm bolters yet. I don't think they'll have focused fire.>>98558989They'd still need to be 4 shots instead of 2 rapid fire 2. Also the heavy weapons would still be pretty terrible unless they also change them.
I don't get it. All the firstborn poses are already squatting?
>>98559006With Intercessor GLs going up to S:10 I can see the missiles going up to 12.
lol, fuck firstborn marines, such ugly models
40k feels like it's balanced by gacha game designers.
>>98558995Tau don't have a new codex yet you fucking retard. This is 5ed 2.0, the power creep hasn't even started yet.
>>98558161Yes & Black Library books work from there. If they contradict each other then the book isn't canon. The fucking rulebooks are not what keeps people interested.
>>98559013Oh fuck off poorhammer podcast guy.
>>98559013BASED
>>98559012Problem with missiles isn't the strength, it's that they were a single shot (2 for cyclone). Ork rokkits are much, much better at 2 shots for krark and 3 with blast for frag. If they copy those stats then missiles will be great. Assault cannons would still be meh, especially when they are fighting for their niche with gatling cannons that for some reason are a different weapon.
>>98559016This is the marine edition. All codexes will be weaker than them. Because marine players have been complaining since the Iron Hands book in 8th that they’re weak and not lore accurate .
>>98559015If that were true where are the waifus with huge boobs
>>98559016>This is 5ed 2.0Meaning? These changes are way above what 5th changed.
>>98559029That's what the space marines are.
>>98559011
>>98558982It's no big secret the same retarded secondaries are shitting up all the warhammer generals
>>98559045They're the only reason why /wfg/ doesn't constantly fall off the board lmao
>>98558624Can I play as Genestealer Cults in 4th?
>11th edition is an increase the number buff to retardation editionBased only because it means that 12th will be a total wipe and that means there is small chance the game will not be total shit in 12th like it is now.
They need to cut back on stat creep.This is a world where an Ork boy is S5 T5.What are they going to do with Death Guard? What about Death Guard turbodeathfuckernators as the extreme of the Death Guard?What about custrannies?
>>98559059It'll be even worse.
>>98558751The trick is to play 4th edition with 3rd edition codexes. Also add the run rule from 5th and you've got a perfect game. There was no reason to ever move on from 4th edition as a core game.
>>98559059>>98559063Thing is with the ever increasing prices including another recent hike, it might be helpful to our wallets if the average model count of armies shrinks back down
>>98558864>68 dollars for the intecessors from the armageddon boxBut I can still buy the armageddon box
How much boyz am I supposed to be running as a new Ork player? 40?
>>98559066I genuinely don't think 40k can play any worse than it does now.>>98559070The problem is the core gameplay being shit, not the price or army size.
Why is GW so inconsistent in their retardness? On one hand they officially allow specific units to be proxied with minis that are totally different in shape and size but on the other hand they keep insisting on using TLoS like mouth-breathing idiots they are. Just switch to 2DLoS already ffs.
>>98559077nogames
>>98559073armageddon is ETB, those are multipart
>>98559063Imagine Custodes
>>98559058They technically had a 3rd edition army list which would play pretty cleanly into 4th edition, and also they had 7th edition rules which were still largely working in the same templates as the previous few editions.
Did they announce a new multi-part kit for intercessors or have they still kept that a secret?
>>98559081We don't sign our posts here.
Pedro Kantor… is gone
>>98559080Yeah, every edition they keep introducing more and more band-aids to the TruLOS system when, as you say, they can simply change it to 2D system or introduce more lenient 3D one that literally every other wargame has figured out.
Problem is, it's gonna take a year and a half for some factions to get their codex. Until then they're gonna get utterly raped by these new powerups. GW needs to speed up their codex releases
>>98559077>I genuinely don't think 40k can play any worse than it does now.They can still copy more stuff from AoS.
>>98558811This could actually happen
I actually like the stat creep if it also means higher points, makes the game cheaper to play in overall.
I'm kind of confused desuIf Orks and marines are T5, humans and elves are T3, what is even gonna be T4? Just necrons?
So, how are the STLs for proonted firstborn guys?
>>98559084the plastic termies look so shit though
>>98559117Vottan, Crons, the CSM probably .
>>98559109If anything this makes me just want to play sigmar more. I’m fucking pissed rn.
>stormraven squattedNot looking good for dark eldar, they might lose another two kits.
>>98559121nice try
>>98559069Run rule is cancer, 5th edition is pure destiled cancer. 4th is good. 4th tyranids, marines and tau codex are good.
>>98559030Non-index edition, released during a global market downturn, where the designers have already stated before edition came out that most units are getting buffed. Drip fed codexes with a steady power creep to force the churn to follow.
>>98559112Agree, in early 10th it felt that they made everything too cheap.
>>98559107>We live in a future of bi-yearly 70+ usd codexi that get invalidated by a FAQ less than a day before release.
>>98559112You know they can just increase points without increasing stats?>>98559117Stuff like sisters and eldar too I imagine.>>98559124Why? Everything bad about modern 40k was copied from AoS.
>>98559122Yeah the old aquilons are way better but they're too expensive for 3 minis
>>98559122This implies custodes have ever looked good
>devastators not refreshed, now desolation squadThey realyl want me to buy the fucking nerf gunsI don't want the nerf guns
>>98559107>GW needs to speed up their codex releaseswhy?
>>98559117Phobos marines maybe the EC basic guys too
>>98559075Ask us when we have points
>>98559133But 5th got us Vraks at least. 11th will never have such a legacy.
>>98559144Can you read
>>98558547>over the top cheesy story momentsork mek builds a kustom mega shokk attack power fist and punches makari so hard he lands back in time killing the ork that shot ghazkull when he was a boy, so he has to shoot ghaz himself now to make the timeline happen
>>98559091They showed them off in the vid with the article, I think also alongside a full kit for the vanguard vets
>>98559141I loved the old aquilons.
>>98559160>backbanners are backBASED BASED BASED
>>98559117Necrons should be a spectrum of Toughness. Warrior/flayed one chaff T4, Immortals/deathmarks/Canopteks T5, lychguard and destroyers T6.
>>98559117Votann, possibly some AM units like Sicarians.
>>98559123Votann are T5 alreadyCSM are also following the rest of marines up to T5 base
>desolation squad weapons are genuinely named after the movie marines rocket launcher optionsWho thought these were a good idea?
>>985591324th edition Tau was kinda busted from my memoryNot that it matters, people who got into 40k in the last few years would lose their minds playing 4th with the size of the tables being so much larger and the armies being so much smaller. They wouldn't like having room to maneuver kek.
>>98559154yes, whats the big deal? are you a new fag?
At least rhinos are surviving. Still fucking annoyed about my devastators.
>>98559107The only thing keeping GW from publishing all the codices at once in one big dump is themselves and their desire to moneygrub with "content drops" because those generate hype and therefore sales. The marketing department is to blame.Doing it all at once with balanced releases also doesn't guarantee the sporadic revenue spikes being spread over time that doing it the way they currently do does, which raises questions about their cashflow if this "big spikes of income followed by very little until the next big spike" is an essential part of it. If so, that's a very bad sign for the health of the company, despite the YoY profits.>>98559117Sisters are probably moving to t4 but it won't matter because marine bolt rifles are s5 or s6 nowI do hope they give guard an actual "heavy infantry" unit as well. Ogryns are either "melee" or "walking HWS" more than "infantry" and Kasrkins/Scions aren't really "heavy."
>>98559142You don't have to, you can use the proxy now.
>>98559187will they finally be able to transport intercessors?
>>98559187I smell them accepting a partial defeat and renaming desolators "devastators"
We riot if they touch the go-kart.
>>98559200Yeah.
>>98559188>If so, that's a very bad sign for the health of the company, despite the YoY profits.lmao
>>98559183/40kg/ did. when desolation marines released and people rightly called them shit, the usual suspects came out of the woodwork to throw the words 'secondary' and 'tourists' left and right.
Anyways we're due for another balance dataslate on wednesday right?
>>98559191Devastators as desolation doesn't really work. Even if we ignore every weapon that isn't missile launchers, you're still stuck with a sergeant with no weapon. Like me.
>>98558864Kek, but I understand your pain. I do like the small variantions they added.Like the rimless shoulder pad, studded one, different chest plate on the middle marine, etc.The 1 piece shins also have slight variant with some having 3 rivets on them and other don't.
>>98559200No, only phobos and scouts. Look at the infiltrators datasheet in the video.
Female custodes are heckin valid
>>98559171A lot of recent fluff seems to be going to down the path of "hard to kill, easy to wound" for crons
>>98559202There is no 'we'
How are they gonna handle scouts? Will my crusaders be mixed toughness?
>>98558864I'll buy this kit if>torsos are interchangeable>greeves are also interchangeable>Bolt rifles kept the alt magazine thing (optional)>The bits are actually good
>>98559063>What are they going to do with Death Guard? What about Death Guard turbodeathfuckernators as the extreme of the Death Guard?>What about custrannies?Most likely option? Nothing, they'll keep them the same.The 2nd most likely option is they buff the stats on them.
Marine edition. Marine game. Marine franchise.Nobody cares about your literal who aliens/background npcs.
>>98559217That shows nothing about transports.
>>98559238You already know the first two aren't happening, they haven't done that for a single kit released after 2016Or you didn't know because you're one of the shitstirrers who's never touched a model
>>98559153Yet another reason to despise 5ed. Changing DK from steel legion with skull helmets painted on their gas masks to shovel meme shittery.
>>98559234the nerfs keep coming for templars
>CSMfags are coping that chaos vindies won't get squatted because "it's lore accurate we use ancient machineryKEEEEEEEEK
>>98559247Probably give them their fnp back?
>>98559220And thats retarded. The original necron immortals were T5. The necron niche is Durable and hard hitting but short ranged and slow.
>>98559257GW already confirmed they wont since they don't have hovershit options but nice try
>>98559249Look harder, it's there.
>>98559139Everything that made Aos was copied from 40k, actually.
>>98559248Necrons are pretty cool too tho
>>98559098Orks unironically most affected
>>98559255Krieg have looked like that since 3rd.
>>98559201the whole thing is fucked>"refresh desolators" and they become primaris devastators>price goes up another 10 bucks because it's newThere's no winning in this hobby in the big 26. In 2022 you could still score some deals but GW is trying to skullfuck every reasonable price to death.
>>98559266No?
>>98559084not a single woman between those boys.
>>98559265? post proof
I keep starting new armies but it takes me multiple days to paint 1 infantry dudeI'm so fucked nigga
>>98559252>no they're not gonna make the models better fuck you nomodel shitposter retard reeeeee!!!11!You're not yourself when you're hungry, eat a dick
>98559248
>>98559265There's no hover equivalent to vindicators or whirlwinds either.
>>98559276NOOO THEY HAVE SHOULDERPADS NOW ITS RUINED
>>98559282lol
>>98559288>betterlol
>>98559188>I do hope they give guard an actual "heavy infantry" unit as well. Ogryns are either "melee" or "walking HWS" more than "infantry" and Kasrkins/Scions aren't really "heavy."There is a likely chance that ogryns might get updated this edition. The current ogryn kit is about 12 years old now, the current ogryn/bullgryn/nork dedogg kit was released in 2014. Which is relevant because GW updated the custodes as well once kit turned around 10 years old. Remember, the OG plastic custard kit was released during Burning of Prospero for Horus Heresy around 2015-2016 ish.
>>98559268Warscrolls, stratagems, command points, PL style points, every unit with a bespoke ability, renaming assault for combat, removal of templates and morale, removal of USRs... everything happened in AoS before 40k.
how do I play this game I have socially anxiety and never learned how to drive a car…
>>98559283Yeah, all the female custodes get bikes or jetpacks. The men get the terminator armour and they share the regular units.
>>98559069>run rule from 5thDo not do this, do not be retarded.
>>98558547I wanna see /mydudes/ crush a bunch of disgusting aliens underneath their adamantium heels
>>98559280>There's no winning in this hobby in the big 26.I only buy combo boxes with reasonable discounts and supplement with 3D prints, cheap second hands and recasts, I feel pretty winning
>>98559121Some Mk8 helmets and some Grey Tide bits scattered around go a long way to improving Primaris kits. It's actually shocking how much better they look even with just the helmet swap. Those old angry face helmets carried 90% of the Marine's vibe, regardless of what kneepad autists would have you believe.
>>98559252>You already know the first two aren't happening, they haven't done that for a single kit released after 2016Terminators.
I just fucking hate bolt rifles and even the artists keep drawing boltgun proportions for the covers.
We should bring back 7th editions formations
primaris look 95% the same as firstbornuse the new space wolf sculpts if you want older armor marksthe old helmets are still compatible too
>>98559280Look on the brightside, you could be a watchfaggot or a golffaggot. You've (probably) dodged those bullets.
>>98557930>We have moved from Wound inflation to Toughness inflation
Imagine buying and playing space marines in a setting where there’s multitudes of different factions and choices you pick the white bread choice.
>>98559354As long 7th army rules are nerfed I'm fine with it.7th issues are not really the base rules, but the fucking bullshit army rules.
>>98559276Also 3ed and an actual model. And if you finished reading what I wrote you'd notice the complaint was about the autism that surrounds them, not the look.
>>98559257Vindicators are cool as fuck
Custodes will be t6 base with t7 bikes and t8 terminators
>>98559368space marines are the basis as to why the rest of the setting exists you silly goose
>>98559303>updated the custodes as well once kit turned around 10 years oldThe Land Raider is 26 (2000). The Leman Russ is 17 (2009). The Chimera is 16 (2010). Warp Spiders were 31 (1994-2025) before getting an update. GW is extremely inconsistent on updated models.I would love to see new Ogryns though, give them weapon options beyond Ripper guns and change them to 2 transport space (they're 3 right now) in squads of 5 instead of 3 so you can still fit 1 squad and a Commissar in a transport. Just copying all the Darktide ogryn weapons to the Bullgryn/Ogryn squads would give a lot of variety to them; I'd LOVE to have a squad of 5 huge gunluggers walking down space marines with twin-linked M2 Brownings.
>>98559348Yeah this guy can't make up his fucking mind about bolter proportions
>>98559360They absolutely do not.Just look at Horus Heresy marks before and after they got primaris resculpting. They maybe called Mk4 and Mk6, but they look almost nothing like what 2, 3, 4, and 5 used to look like. Instead they look like that meme of a guy who painted his primaris as Luna Wolves and people thought he was playing them in HH.
>>98559380The chimera is very mature for it's age.
>>98559348I hate how thin this guy makes weapons look.
>>98559381that's clearly a bolt pistolby modern standards anyhow ;)
>>98559362I assume a golffaggot is someone who buys golf supplies for tens of thousands of bucks but what is a watchfaggot, one of those boomers who us like "it cost me 5000 bucks but I got tickets to the superbowl!"
>>98559376Maybe in terms of purchases but in terms of the lore the guard are the protagonists.
>>98559368Bet you like your bread filled will nuts or stuffed with seed, homo.
>>98559368>people are confident picking the coolest thing and don't need to pick a quirk chungus faction to feel uniqueHeavily armoured men is and will also always be the most kino in every ip
>>98559376Marines are the big mc, might be what keeps McDonald functioning. But we all know the only reason anyone actually goes there is due to the ice creams machine that are never working.
>>98559188>I do hope they give guard an actual "heavy infantry" unit as well. Ogryns are either "melee" or "walking HWS" more than "infantry" and Kasrkins/Scions aren't really "heavy."Guard aren't really a heavy infantry faction outside of abhumans. They're mooks with flashlights screening for tanks with big guns.I would like more Abhumans tho. Maybe the Ogryn kit can be split between gun Ogryn with simple heavy weapons and Melee Ogryn with clubs. Maybe we can get loyalist beast memes as melee chaff to go with our ranged chaff. Maybe GW will make catgirls real.
>>98559337it just really surprised me how everything got really shitty in the last 18 months. I could still find shit like kayvaan shrike for 15 bucks in 2024 but since 2025 everything that was shitty has accelerated. I didn't knowi t was possible to be so unhappy and still be alive.
>>98558324>Doesn't feel right to have killed him, he needed help at worst, not a bulletIf you haven't seen the fiction, nor know when and where it's set, you should stop passing judgement as though you have the answers, lest you consign yourself to "He wasn't right because he didn't do it our way" in the history books, or even the papers during your lifetime.
>>98559403>he says while posting lightly armoured men with fucking bowl cuts
>>98559311step one, learn to drive a car>>98559368wouldn't IG be the whitebread choice, being literally space army men?
>>98559397Incorrect. 40k lore is nothing but proxy wars between Genestealer cults.I bet you didn't notice all the bald and wig using characters in 40k
i lied, orks are actually the thing that marines were initially designed with as a foremost foe in mind and thus they are the most seminal and grimdark thing in the setting
>>98559311start taking estrogen and find yourself a daddy to take you to the lgs
>>98559388I'm basing it on the crust of my ass but I think it's going to get a refresh alongside the Steel Legion models in 2 years or so.>>98559407>aren't really a heavy infantry faction outside of abhumansAnd the abhumans don't really fit that role as well as they could IMO. Ogryns need more options.Otherwise, I know it's purely me wanting to give myself a buff but I'd love to see the Krieg Combat Engineers get a regiment agnostic sidegrade, since they're in that "heavy assault infantry" role already, just give them a bit more staying power.
>>98559117T4 doesn't seem fitting because anything that's already T4 probably has good reason to be T5 or T6 such as necrons.
>>98559426>find yourself a daddy to take you to the lgstips and tricks for this???
>>98559368Why do you feel the need to make fun of people for liking space marines? There's nothing wrong with liking space marines.
>>98559412Good thing I said "feel right" and that I never saw the movie, but thank you for assuming the worst in people anon, you're really sweet.
>>98559184Crons were worse. Near every waacfag at my LGS played Tau in 4th. Then one day a teenager beat one of them with Necrons and they all switched.
>>98559348that's a bolter, not a bolt rifle, how can't you tell?
>>98559421Orks for marines.Nids for terminators.
>Legendary Proxies can be used at homedamn, really grateful for this permission they gave i thought i was shit out of luck theredid NOT enjoy the first time the blackshirts kicked down my door
>>98559306No not really. Thanks for proving you don’t know either game newfag.
>>98559439Stop replying to your trash bait you hideous scum.
>>98559460>>Legendary ProxiesIt's unbelievable how they made a whole new way to spit on the traditional marines specifically.
>>98559445You're welcome, you really are the worst.
new throod please somebody
>>98559461Prove it.
>>98559471You've got five more images
>>98559372That's a steel legion model painted differently
>everyone buying new nazdreg model will be in shock when next edition hes a proxy for a warboss and he loses all his rules
>>98559449That's my point that the artists keep drawing boltguns while GW is insistent on killing boltguns for marines and replacing them with bolt rifles.
>>98559375>T6 W3 2+/3++/4+++>Ignore AP up to -2>When they die, on a 2+ they come back with 1 wound remaining>Also get to fight before this roll or before they're removed.
>>98559421Finally an ork that I can agree with.
>>98559436check ur dm's ;)
>>98558643They didn't.The Intercessor and Rhino are still in the codex. It's been 9 years most 40k players haven't ever played on a board that had a tactical marine on it. Not once.
>>98559462I'm not the mutant Retard.
>>98559491Boltrifles are just boltguns. That's why GW doesn't care.
>>98559478Yes retard.>>98559255
>>98559501>EldarYou're still a faggot lmao
>>98559501Where did I call you or imply you were this so called “Mutant”?
>>98559504>GW can't tell the difference between two weapons>makes the stat line of a rifle and a shotgun the same oneYeah we know NuNuGW are hacks
>>98559491your point was that he's drawing boltgun "proportions", implying he was drawing bolt rifles
>>98559511Well yeah that goes without saying but I'd rather be a faggot than a mutant. Or a cunt like you.
>>98559522>>GW can't tell the difference between two weaponsThey can, they just don't care. To them they are all just boltguns, and they are correct.Don't conflate not caring, with not knowing.
>>98559348>>98559381I wish they'd find a different artist but I don't think they have the right people to do so.I bought a new box of an old sculpt, made to order stuff, and one of the characters staring at me was the grimderp stormcast eternal lesbian (generic box, 40K and AoS art on the side, didn't even have the name of the model on it).I'd never have guessed the toy inside was for boys with that kind of cover.Ah, reddit provides, it was image related. The weirdest part is the far right art if I'm not mistaken in blood bowl back when they paid a good artist to make the good stuff before 2020 edition with its extremely budget, extremely gender-neutral designs I'd expect to find in a Beano.
>>98559522Are you implying that nugw or oldgw weren't hacks?
>>98559528>ss runes as smelly shitgotta admit that's pretty clever, lolAlso an example of how 40k designers keep shitting at right wing stuff when they can get away with it
>>98559537no my heckin' old geedubs was my friendo......
>>98559504So why do GW give bolt rifles a different name, different modfel and different stats?
>>98559499Doesn't change the fact that tactical marines have been the core and face of the army for 3 decades.
Another image limit hit fast>>98559565>>98559565>>98559565
>>98559537At least they could tell the difference between a rifle and a shotgun.The bar was never high anon.
Will they also increase Tyranid Warriors profile? Or will they leave them at T5 so the videogame Space Marine 2 will be more lore accurate?
>>98559579Some things will go up, some won't. One of the actual good things about shifting the S and T scales over the last edition is there's now more room for granularity like that
>>98559501You're replying the mutant, you're even more of a retard than he is
>>98559568> Haven't been present in marketing since 8ed> Haven't appeared in play since 8ed.> Haven't appeared in store since 8ed.> "the face of army"
>>98559568for 18 years*
>>98558505Nyagga, you don't play IA for winning. You play them cause you like to kitbash your Glup Shittos.
>>98558505>play fake army>loseImagine my shock.
>>98559560Because they wanted to? Not everything has a good reason in life, trust me I would know.
>>98558039Why are you mad? They're obviously going to be replaced with version that look 95% similar but without wheels or something. It literally doesn't matter.
>>98558133I’m about to mechaniCum in your machacnicuS if you keep up with your faggotry.
>>98558776Red Corsair Raiders have truescaled bolters ffs. Not bolt rifles. Just bigger bolters than chosen.
>>98558292Wait is this what marinefags are crying about? These models fuckin suck.
>>98557893>Stormraven, Razorbacks, and Dreadnought getting Legend'd.Literally my brother's entire army is legends now. He's gonna be ticked.
