RIP
>>98561823Fuck those gay floating tanks, the tracked vehicles should’ve never gone anywhere
>>98561823I get what they were going for with the little flyers but man it did not work very well at all.
>>98561823the fact that 3 primaris units are getting sent to legends makes it worse to buy Primaris.It took them 20+ years to get rid of Normal marines and yet we're already getting rid of ~5-6 year old models.
>>98561823These are getting squatted because they're piloted by FirstbornGW will eventually release primaris centurions and flyers.
>>98561823KEKHEY YOSOMEONE CHECK ON THESE NIGGAS
>>98561823we all knew the fuckers were going to do it eventually. I'm honestly surprised it took them nine years.Primaris look so incredibly dumb and shitty, my dudes.
They shoulda cut even more.
>>98561823>a bunch of classic 40k kits>and a squad of primaris that were never available outside boxsets because even GW recognised how retarded they werelmao
>>98561823Standard Rotation for Minis finally came to pass.
Primaris and adjacent stuff would be a lot more bearable if they didn't fuck up the designs; who the fuck thought gravity boots looked cool, or anti-gravity tech in general?
>>98562497A bunch of Sigmarines getting taken out back for AoS 4th should have clued people in.
>>98562497Space marine players are thepaypiggies that keep their company going, they cant keep buying new stuff now that even the primaris range is getting bloated. Its the dark side of the coin for getting all those new models all the time...
>>98562506Gravis are centurion primaris
>>98562707Primaris are great, your taste is just dog-shit, but that is a given on this dog-shit incel board
>>98562782True... the whole grav-meme still doesnt really vibe with the imperiums lore and aesthetic. In fact the whole primaris stick clashes with it. We're supposed to be in some galaxtic dark age where no innovation is possible so lets just crank out an entire army of *NEWMARINES* with flashy tech and tau/eldar-tier antigrav tanks.Should have just made the marines bigger and given them new helmets without the entire lore override. Just call em the mark IX helmets or something. Should have just made the predator bigger and called it the "predator ultra" or something stupid like that. It would at least fit the setting.
>>98563009>Primaris are great, your taste is just dog-shit, but that is a given on this dog-shit incel board
>>98563010This. Apart from being ugly in their own right, they are thematically inconsistent.
I love how "Primaris Chads" are actually hugely telling on themselves with their crowing.Because not only are "firstborn" units getting squatted, but PRIMARIS ERA units like the Suppressors and the flying bunker thing, which lasted all of ten minutes.They are actually admitting they are churn piggies who live to honk and squeal for the next GW Twitch reveal stream. Nothing about the setting or the armies actually matters to them more than [next product].Imagine any other wargamer talking like this, a Stargrave or Warmaster or Malifaux or Man o' War or whatever player.
>>98563040The stiff rigid teddy-bear posing is the most egregious part of them to meIt stands out particularly hard when usually modern sculpts now all have some clear effort put in to posing them 'dynamically' or at least having them standing in a cool way
>>98561823I don't mind it. I've been out of the GW loop for so long that modern GW anything only parses as creepy skinwalkers badly posing as the original games, so it doesn't even touch my 90s nostalgia. Their newest mini I actually wanted was the Khornate marine based on an old illustration, so of course they gated it behind a subscription. I kinda admire their dedication to not getting my money.
>>98562782Grav-tanks are a fine concept by itself (nobody complains about Eldar and Tau having them), but the problem is thatA) They don't fit with the established lore and aesthetics of the ImperiumB) Even if the designs were tracked, they'd still look hideous due to having random weapons sticking from weird places like they're suffering from some kind of tank-cancer.
>>98563010This is the best argument against primaris, I don't personally mind their looks that much, but lorewise it's a complete clusterfuck
A big RIP for my niggas the burnas and the lootas
>>98562652I still say all Marine vehicles should be operated singlehandedly by plugging into the Black Carapace neural interface.
Damn, the Interceptors were pretty much the only new Primaris specialization I actually liked. It feels like an extension of the idea of power armor as a miniaturized tank. Once you can give them reliable VTOL capabilities you can make miniaturized helicopter gunships, too.
>>98562791Sigmarines are a bit of an exception though, they tried a different aesthetic for them every edition until they finally landed on something they liked in 3rd (hence 4th edition continuing with those designs by remaking a bunch of 1st edition stuff with the new aesthetics).
>>98562725>gw have started squatting some retarded looking primaris marines>they double down on preserving picrelHow fucking hard is it to take a rocket launcher and give it to a tall boy. What are these super soaker looking motherfuckers even?
>>98564231Having to plug into something is a hassle in the middle of combat when the pilot gets shot, to me it seems like physical controls where you can just jeet the dead body and jump into his place make more sense.
>>98564267This guns are so ass.Top are bunch of missiles with a targeter. something that should be on a servitor looking thing or on a vehicle.The bottom part is a rotating missile pod that is belt fed? The fuck is this thing. Sure fine the rockets are belt fed into the pod, by the fuck are they poking at the end of the a barrel, clearly the missiles can't be that long so there is another mechanism that pushed the missile from the belt into the pod and to the end of the barrel. While the sarge has a hunter killer looking thing strapped on the side of the gun.The entire thing is visually mess that not even AI would make something this schizo looking
>>98564267>>98564349Within seconds of seeing them the internet started doing this. Anyone who plays the model out of the box is a certified tastelet and should be mocked
>>98564654More BattleTech-style walking MLRS type Armors would be kino as all hell.
>>98564267That gun looks like something a 10 year old would design after seeing a NERF commercial
>>98565077Which is an improvement over regular primaris guns, which look like something a 15 year old would design after playing Call of Duty.
At least this will mean a lot of cheap second-hand Rhino-chassi tanks for my Sisters of battle and Chaos armies to hoover up
>>98561823You forgot the humble Boxnaught on your pic, OP.
>>985627325 more years before they roll out 40k "Classic" with pre-great rift models (and convenient new models for it as well).
>>98561823MY AIRFORCE LIST!!!
>>98565116Oh man, that one really hits me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWTaaS7LdU
>>98565077>>98565092Frankly, they both suck. The Desolator guns look like Ork cobbletech but prettier up, and the Bolt Rifles take a gun that was already pretty oversized and doubled it and jammed a bunch of modern miltech detailing onto it.
>>98565116That and the rino are still being sold because grey knights use them
>>98565499For now.They'll get a new codex for 11th eventually, and with it some kind of bespoke new transport or something, and Rhinos will go extinct.
>>98565509Rhinos are in far too many other armies to go entirely extinct. In Marines? Sure they've been trying to do that forever (implusor apparently wasn't "it"), but they're still in Sisters and Chaos and GK and IA. There's more rhinos in the wild than honda civics or actual rhinos.
>>98562506Centurions deserve to die and the existence of primaris doesn't suddenly turn their dogshit design into SOVL. Flyers should just be removed from the game period, their initial introduction by forgeworld has been nothing but mistake.The loss of the rhino chassis vehicles and Chapter master Pete is unfortunate, but at the very least they have update HH kits and are unlikely to go anywhere in that game. Fuck suppressors and flying gravis units in general.
>>98565289Man I grew up hearing that song throughout the 90s and it still gets played so often that I forget she's dead.
>>98561823Were suppressors that hated.
>>98565812>Chapter master Pete is unfortunate, but at the very least they have update HH kits and are unlikely to go anywhere in that game.I know you don't give a shit because you can't get his name right, but Pedro's Crimson Fists are a second founding chapter and not in HH.
>>98565812>Flyers should just be removed from the game period, their initial introduction by forgeworld has been nothing but mistake.>nothing but mistakeI don't take advice from ESL redditors, now fuck off back where you came from.
>>98565855No they were just awkward and part of a box sprue that GW clearly didn't care enough to liberate them from
>>98565855At release yes, but then they sucked rulewise due mostly to true LOS, never saw the tabletop, and hen s were mostly ignored.
>>98562506Pilots, you mean those guys that never actually touch the tabletop? For that matter, vehicle crews would benefit from not being fuckhuge. Firstborn drivers and pilots for everything means less space for cockpit and more space for armor/weapons/transport capacity.Not even grimderp. Just plain derp.
So when does the 11th edition ground marines codex drop?
>>98565855GW tried throwing a lot of thing to the wall during 8th ed and see what sticked to it. Supressors were found wanting.
>>98566134Someone in the studio really wants rivers to be a success. They basically have no role.
>>98566163Reivers were the primaris but scout models and it didn't click with the playerbase. They still fill an important niche in the hobby base though... supplying helmetswaps for models people actually like
>>98566608>it didn't click with the playerbaseYeah, we can get S4 AP0 shots and swings on accident. Nobody was ever going to pay for more of that on spooky scouts.
>>98566608Chaplains, the only marines that should wear skulls on the helmet. Erase all phobos from this universe.
>>98565499>>98565116the boxnaught was squatted like 4 years ago anonthe only one remaining is the veteran version used by GK
>>98564349Counter point, anything powerful enough to punch through a tank and then punch through the second man-shaped tank inside the tank has probably made such a mess of the vehicle that putting another guy in the driver's seat is completely pointless.
>>98566608>>98566679>>98566694Reivers were supposed to be a 40k loyalist version of Night Lords terror squads from the HH. Hence also the name of their armour variant: Phobos ("Fear")But GW half-assed and botched the execution.
>>98561823>out of the loop of 40K>see they squat heavy weapons on Space MarinesSo what is their replacement?
>>98567212Bland misery.
>>98567212Its... Its...uh, this thing>>98564267
>>98567349>Primaris Desolator with one weapon for each mini in 2 sprues>5 for $60>old Desolator>6 for $65 with having 2 of each weapon option as bitz in 3 spruesWhat a scam!
>>98567212Presumably mono weapon Gravis kits dripfed over the next couple editions. Right now melta and heavy bolter are covered, plasma has a tac squad. Ideally we get a grav weapon squad soon since those are in danger of going extinct on the table currently.
>>98567428So you dont have any mixed squad but specialised squads? What a shit decision.
>>98567458They want to sell boxes with the fewest sprues possible at the highest price people will tolerate.
>>98567484Good i had a jumping off point before GW became even bigger capitalists.
>>98567458Space marine squads are all eldar aspect warriors now, and the codex rules change weekly. Why sell players one devastator squad when you can sell them one primaris missile squad, one primaris melta squad, one primaris heavy bolter squad, (etc) and then fudge their numbers on the app so that a different squad is meta each month?They're all hyper specialized, no weapon option primaris squads to replace the broader original firstborn units. No rules = no models has been taken to the capitalist extreme.
>>98561823no bro you see we're grognards or something idk change is good
>>98561823>Are all my current Space Marine miniatures redundant now?>No way! Primaris Space Marines do not replace regular (if a superhuman killing machine can be described as ‘regular’) Space Marines. These guys have a few extra genetic enhancements, thanks to Belisarius Cawl, and serve as additional reinforcements in the Adeptus Astartes arsenal, not replacements.Fantastic, thanks James.
>>98561823Really like those heavy armored maris
>>98565855Kind of? They were mostly just VERY weird as a kit and that combined with their rules affected their popularity.
>>98564267OK, I figured out how to fix Primaris heavy weapon guys. Just make all their weapons handheld versions of the ones mounted on tanks. Battle Cannons, Lascannons, Whirlwind Rockets, Vindicator mortars, etc. By the same token, get rid of all non-transport Marine vehicles, except maybe artillery and missile carriers for long range support. The idea being the Primaris Marines ARE the tanks. Doctrinally they should be considered not infantry but light armor/super high mobility self-propelled gun platforms.
>>98567934Going back to basics? I love it
>>98562351>>98563010>the whole grav-meme still doesnt really vibe with the imperiums lore and aestheticI remember walking into a Hobby Town with my dad back in the early 2000s and seeing all the usual models and miniatures. Plenty of 20th century military stuff, trains, landscapes, and so on. The back quarter of the store was dedicated to 40k. They had a tall plastic case showcasing different painted models - most were imperial guard stuff - and beside it was a stand with a bunch of rulebooks. I didn't know what the hell 40k was so it looked like a weird mishmash of ww2 armies fighting robots and aliens. It looked cool.My dad let pick something out and I chose a box of tyranid warriors. Never assembled or painted models before, so I completely fucked it up and tried to glue a giant pair of scything talons to a warrior because to my young brain it just looked awesome despite being way too damn big. I think it was an extra bit you could use to build a carnifex or hive tyrant. Painted it all black and had an ugly xenomorph that couldn't even stand up on its base. I probably butchered thirty dollars between the models and paint.Growing up, that impression of ww2 soldiers in space held firm up until I completely forgot about 40k in 2012. Yeah, it's nostalgia, but the advanced technology typically reserved for aliens looks so damn out of place for the imperium. I just don't like it. I don't understand why gw is insistent on changing things so drastically when they can make superficial changes and still get people paying hand over fist for overpriced plastic.
>>98561823Those gunships, especially the bottom left, belong in Gundam.
>>98567131Phobos are supposed to be redundant trash to make money, and that is what they are. They don't belong in the game like most of the marine bloat.
>>98568916Indeed, 40K got anime-fied and /v/.
>>98567563>fudge their numbers on the appYou need an app for the rules? But they still sell books. Or do you have to constantly print errattas? They really want this to be a liveservice and you have to pay a monthly fee to use your minis on the table.
>>98568911I guess the problem is that GW became too big with too many running costs. Than you have managers, CEOs and investors who essential do nothing but get a big piece of the profit.Most players have already full armies, less new player because it is expensive to enter the hobby and videogames have a lower entree point. So selling them new Space Marines isnt working anymore. What do you do? Create new units noone already has and cant be simulated by tokens.
>>98564231>I drive with my spleen
>>98561823fuck GW, I can 3dprint old onesand fuck tournaments too
>the big company said my little platic men HAVE to be replaced by slightly bigger plastic menNo.
>>98567096There are plenty of attacks in 40K that only hurt biological matter and leave the tank alone. If some psyker fries the brains of the driver, being able to replace him quickly would be an useful feature. Not to mention that several marine vehicles (including the one in the picture that opened this conversation) have open tops, so you can snipe the driver without damaging the vehicle (which would be a tactic many intelligent species would try to utilize to neutralize the vehicle).
>>98565943Didn't they just say October?
>>98563009>Primaris are DOG-SHIT, your taste is just GREATfixed that for you
>>98570304Yes?
So if you can proxy firstborn for their rough primaris equivalent now, doesn't that mean you can "model for advantage" with firstborn proxies? Since theyre shorter theyre easier to break LOS with.
>>98564654This but with a Commando-style quad launcher would be kino.
>>98572217There are those who could
>>98572285True. Which then begs the question: Dark Eldar confirmed to be Indian?
>>98570323>the big company said my little, EXPENSIVE platic men HAVE to be replaced by slightly bigger, MORE EXPENSIVE plastic men
>>98570323>>98572350only if you want to play in tournaments.
>>98572443Some people have no friends that play.
>>98569878I know you're being sarcastic but that's actually how it works now. Codices don't even contain points cost you have to have everything digital.
>>98572536if you play warhammer semi-regularily, then you will have friends. If someone plays warhammer regularly, but doesn't have friends, then they might be the problem. If they don't play warhammer then why are they even bitching.
>>98561823In 10 years, we're gonna have 50 different kits of the same ugly primaris muhreens with no noticable difference aside from the weapons, and some chucklefuck at GW is gonna have the groundbreaking idea of consolidating them all into one kit with a bunch of weapon options. Mark my fucking words.
>>98565855They look weird as fuck but unlike every other goofy-looking primaris thing their look makes sense in-universe:>they use the fantastical technology in a way that would make sense. There's no reason anti-grav should be just virtual vehicle tracks that don't touch the ground. treating cars like horseless carriages>devastator squads never made as much sense tactically because it doesn't make sense for marines having long-range weapons without the same or more mobility than the standard tactical marines. I like the way primaris units use heavy weapons with a seeming focus on closer range in comparisonThey should sitll have never been made because they're so goofy and against the aesthetic of marines, and if the technology actually worked it should be a key part of their doctrine to place firepower where it's needed.I'm less angry about these than I am at the nacho-flaps and ankle-bulbs that every jump pack marine has now.
>>98561823>not liking the flying potato.
>>98565812>Flyers should just be removed from the game period, their initial introduction by forgeworld has been nothing but mistake.You're wrong, flyers are cool.
>>98573491You're wrong, flyers are cancer. But also >>98565812 is wrong, the original FW version was perfectly fine. It was only when GW tried to shove them into the base game as core units that they became cancer.
>>98563484Get good
>>98573590A wargame without aircraft is just medeival fantasy with guns faggot.
>>98574781
>>98572443The problem is that you still want to heavy weapons, a flamethrower or other unit options. Or want to win against your friend.Than you can only buy the expensive models.Or you already have the cheap minis or play older editions.
>>98574781The scale of engagement in 40K is infantry combat, and most aircraft are going to be well outside of the range of the game. Aircraft should only be present as VTOL troop transports and off screen assets that can be used for things like airstrikes. Or terrain pieces.
>>98576397>Aircraft should only be present as VTOL troop transportsYou mean like the stormraven they just axed while giving orks a whole flyer focused detachment?
>>98573599thank you anon for inspiring me, I will do this with my own meganogz.
>>98576432Stormraven is now GK exclusive, as it should always have been
>>98577404It is getting taken from them too, retard.
>>98573060>with a bunch of weapon options Anon, it is GW. They will make one standard primaris muhreens sprue, than sell the other weapon options as an upgrade sprue.
>>98563010Cawl is just that good. Singlehandedly.made.a new age of technology, kek.Also Robie Girlyman is like a second coming of Jesus, its normal it became a bit lwss grimdark and theres more hope now.
>>98576397>and off screen assets that can be used for things like airstrikesOr you take the Imperial Armour approach and have aircraft as shiny models on the table and off-map assets at the same time and it mostly just works.
>>98567934Building on this, I think it would have made more sense for the Suppressor Marines to have been around from the start and come BEFORE chainsword-swinging Assault Marines. Like flying Marines started as a replacement for gunships but then they realized they could also give them swords and use jet packs to get to grips with enemies faster.
>>98567934Wouldn't it make sense that Gravis units could/would carry those? They are mini Terminators but expanding their weapons options seems like it would be a good idea.
GW, please squat Firestrike turrets and Agressors for 12th ed, thank you.
>>98589544The Firestrike is just plain bizarre and doesn't fit with how Space Marines are depicted as operating at all. Why they didn't release a plastic Tarantula (either original or growth hormone flavoured) instead is beyond me.Also it's ironic that the Firestrike is hanging around while the Hammerfall Bunker that actually does fit the Space Marine MO perfectly is getting deleted because it doesn't work well with the ultra-dense terrain layouts used in the modern game.
