What is the best weapon and why is it the medium pulse laser?
Everyone knows large pulse laser is stronger.
>>98570400Why the fuck did you screenshot this when you could just post the image? Surely this was more work, you dumb motherfucker.
>>98570400easy! its because it's the light PPC
It's magic.
>>98570400IS MPL is kind of shit outside a very specific niche of light and fast medium mechs with lots of jump jets, because you need to be right next to the target to hit better than the standard medium laser. The best weapon is Clan LPL, since not only does it have insanely high effective range (pulse laser long range is equivalent of other weapons' medium range, and there's only two non-artillery weapons with better medium range than cLPL long range, one of which is the light gauss rifle, which has kind of anemic damage for its range, and the other is extended range LRMs, which have extremely high minimum range and are very rare) and unlike other long range weapons actually gets even more effective up close.The best IS weapon is still the humble medium laser, due to being so efficient. All the supposedly improved lasers end up doing less damage than equivalent weight in medium lasers.
LRM 20 Artemis my beloved.
>Clan ER PPC
>>98570400In Introtech it's the PPC, since it can effectively punch holes in things on the approach so your smaller weapons can start fishing for crits.In Lostech it's the Gauss Rifle for long range headshot kills taking things off the board immediately. You could also make a case for LB-X 10s as the most versatile primary but that's my bias.In Clantech it's the LPL as >>98570585 said. In all eras the Medium Laser is so tonnage, crit, and heat efficient that you want a few as a secondary.From there you can argue things like ATMs and iATMs, Heavy Gauss, or X-Pulses, but Medium Pulses are only great in the games where you have an unrestricted MechLab and are slapping Endo and an XL on everything.
>>98570400It isn't the best weapon, because it doesn't exist in every game.
>>98570400What the fuck are you doing you dumbass Fedrat?
>>98570703>he doesnt put M Lasers in all of his campaigns
>>98570717I wouldn't put a Shelby Cobra in a Neolithic fantasy game, either.
>>98570723Your loss. Or I guess it's grug the caveman's loss.
>>98570400>snipes your cockpit with a ball of steel
>>98570456Alphoids don't know how to save a picture and find it in their devices' file systems.
>>98570787Christ it's all coming to an end, isn't it?
>>98570456>>98570787>>98570948so you've been posting here for 20 years and you still haven't figured out how to use 4chanX
i dont think that's true. on points - 1PPC is 10 damage for 10 heat at 7 tonnes and 3 slots3 M-Ls are 15 damage for 9 heat at 3 tonnes and 3 slotssure the PPC has the range, but the lasers have the spare tonneage for a larger engine and more sinks and jump jets. So it's going to close, and when it does it will close to short range, where the PPC is below it's minimum. it does the same thing to LRMs, and other lasers, and ballistics. maybe SRMs beat it on paper, but they cluster and explode so...
>>98570701>>98571118This is the correct choice especially from a practical perspective since you have unlimited ammunition, you limit exposure, it messes with electronics, and it applies relatively all of its damage without having to expose the unit too long. The only downside is with all energy weapons it points a big "I'm over here" tracer, but if you're in a fast light or medium it really doesn't matter and you can whittle away anyone.
>>98571200Anyone moving 4 hexes per turn or less since you're reversing, right? Assuming that very slow 'mech doesnt also have a PPC or AC10 or anything else that can match your range brackets, or worse two ac10s that can out-dps you, or that you dont just hit the end of the board...Also your exposure window only matters if you're not firing every turn, which just makes you even more of a free meal when the more efficient laserboat catches up.
Sex with Clanner women.
>>98570400Why screencap an image, you mouthbreathing fucking mongoloid?
>>98570400Clan ER Pulse PPC, bitch!
>>98571420Clan ER Improved Heavy Variable Speed Re-engineered Large Pulse Hyper Laser.This is a true weapon for the ilclan era.
>>98571453What the fuck is a hyper laser?
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>>98571453Improved and heavy are redundant on a hyper laser, that means there's space to make it a Binary Laser too, so it can be a Clan ER VSP Re-engineered Hyper Blazer.
What if its chemical and one shot as well.
>>98571567Chemical would just turn it into a regular IS grade laser.
>>98571503We could dectuple its weight and make it Naval.
>>98571481I know what you screencapped that off of.
>>98571503This would be like, 32/28/24 damage for 34 heat or something and explodes if it gets hit.
>>98571118It depends. You're not going to make a fast jumpy introtech assault without leaving is massively undergunned due to how much the engine and jump jets ends up weighting, so for assaults (and heavies as well), PPCs are a more practical choice. Though it never hurts to carry a brace of medium lasers for backup in case the enemy gets in your face. They weight so little it's not much of an investment.
>>98572074But that same weight limit applies to the sinks you need to fire your PPCs. You need 10t of heat sinks to fire two neutrally, and 20t (and 34 crit slots) to fire three. At that investment the same dpr in m-lasers would run me 15 heat and 11 criticals and only 11 tonnes, which i can actually practically afford to fire every turn without dropping armour. The same thing that makes mediums OP as a support weapon is what also makes them the king of primaries
>>98573353Two medium lasers will spread the damage across twice as many locations, in exchange for getting twice as many chances to crit. On a light, or medium, that's usually a good trade since you can get. On anything heavier, you don't have the speed to get into a firing position against a lance of Stalkers and Thunderbolts barraging you with increasingly accurate LRMs and Large Lasers before there's a hole somewhere. So, you need something with range to put that danger on them. The PPC is the best Introtech long range weapon because it consolidates the damage, runs on the same heat sinks your laser bank will, doesn't require explosive components, and can still be decently capable once you're within minimum range. All of that is especially important because it's introtech, and even though the fight is going to be settled with an ammo explosion or both sides kicking the shit out of each other within minimum range, the first three or so turns of long range fire are going to decide whose kick hits actuator first.
>>98571118This was somewhat answered by the mech design thread when discussing a light mech Clanbuster.Gauss rifles came first as in practice they only needed to hit a few times to start tearing chunks out of the Clan mech which quickly brought it down to a more manageable threat.MPLs came second as the -2 to hit just cannot be understated how useful that is so fast jumping lights can overwhelming an opponent.PPCs came third as they just scraped a win as they were in a position that while can do damage they didn't do enough damage when they hit they didn't bring down an opponent quick enough so took a lot of casualties. MLs and missiles failed to place as they just spread damage too far apart.
>>98570426consumes more energyfar bulkierniche applicationsoutclassed by better weapons for the purpose its meant to dofar more expensive to build for not much more practical outputDo I need to add more or will you shut your mouth and be quiet, rook?
>>98575730>consumes more energyYour mech has a fusion reactor. Energy isn't a concern>far bulkierYou're saying that like it takes up 6 crit slots>niche applicationsIf anything the medium has niche aplications with its short range, LPL can be used at much longer ranges and can be used for mechs besides brawlers>outclassed by better weapons for the purpose its meant to doWhich are?>far more expensive to build for not much more practical outputIf you're penny pinching on weapons just get a medium laser>Do I need to add more or will you shut your mouth and be quiet, rook?Anon you support a shorter range, lower damage alternative that requires you close to point blank range to be effective, by the time you can even fire at all you're well within the medium range bracket of an LPL, and nearly in the short range bracket of an ERLPL.Only use for the medium pulse is for mechs that can't fit a large pulse or a weird mech with like 9 improved jump jets and a dozen medium pulse lasers, and even then a slower mech with four LPLs will probably be better.
>>98570400Clan ER PPC or Heavy PPC with a capacitor is fun. Like a long range AC/20 with a fraction the space and weight.
>>98575730So aside from CLPL being the most broken OP weapon in all of Battletech, regular LPL still is a 10 range, 9pt damage hole puncher with a -2 to hit and manageable heat. Unless you are using something stupidly slow that is a handy weapon to have when your average map is 16x17 hexes. It only really becomes mediocre when snub PPCs become common but even then its a cheaper weapon to have.XLPL though yeah that is trash. Needs either more range or less heat to justify it.
>>98575730Words of man about to be lasered.
>>98571895It would also be huge and heavy.
>>98570400Wrong
>>98575688>MLs and missiles failed to place as they just spread damage too far apart.To be fair, this is because Clanners get ER Medium Lasers as DEFAULT, PLUS their version has damage and range stats nearly matching an Inner Sphere Large Laser.Also, Clan LRMs are bullshit with their lack of minimum range.
I am not sure how I feel about my favourite game being this popular. Finding games is a bit easier but the extra attention has brought in a lot of the perpetually offended types.
>>98570948This isnt new, the average level of practical computer literacy rose over time then started to decline pretty sharply after the introduction of smartphones. That includes among people with non-degree computing qualifications too. My thesis was about that and the whole experience was pretty upsetting. People increasingly dont know or care what a computer they are using is actually doing, in about 20 years all computers will be remotely operated black boxes that run on a subscription, require a scan of your scrotum and your social security number to use, and that information is perpetually being stolen and used for fraud and everyone on the fucking planet will be all "but that's just how you use a computer".
>>98577283>in about 20 years all computers will be remotely operated black boxes that run on a subscriptionMy god they're taking us back to the future of the 50s!
>>98577321More like the past of the 90s. For a while in the 70s and 80s, the most practical way to do computers were simple terminals that were just a monitor and keyboard that connected to a server that actually did all the work. If the network was down, you couldn't do anything local except stare at a blank screen.
>>98577784>For a while in the 70s and 80s, the most practical way to do computers were simple terminals that were just a monitor and keyboard that connected to a server that actually did all the work.Yeah, but that was always the assumed Default until the Personal Computer boom.Still, I'm reminded of Isaac Asimov's "Feeling of Power," where the rediscovery of analog mathematic was considered revolutionary due to a dependance on large, expensive computers, and Robert A. Heinlein famous quote about how anyone who couldn't work a Slide Rule was "culturally illiterate."
>>98577871That ties into ancient anxieties about the youths and their newfangled conveniences.There are writings (ironically) of a Greek philosopher lamenting that his students don't have to memorize everything because they're literate and can take notes.
>>98577923Exactly, the reason computing literacy is at a low is because we're in an age of unprecedented accessibility, naturally skewing the average downwards.I think we're already hitting the point where centralized computing is at it's limits, at least from a cost effectiveness viewpoint, and that's just going to make the computing literate even more important.
>>98575730>2 is the best number because it's more than 1 but less than 3le centrist
>>98570400My dude no. It's the CERML
>>98575995VSPL's are pretty neat. That said, if you can pack four iATM12's and fire them every turn without heat issues there is literally nothing in the game that can survive you once you get into HE range. This is why the Turkina Z is considered a dick move. It makes sense in context, given who developed it and why, but in real terms. Having the ability to offload 144 points of damage in 5pt clusters to a mech will generally delete anything in two turns or less.
>>98578047>I think we're already hitting the point where centralized computing is at it's limitsWell, they're sure as fuck trying to go back to the central data days, with all the data and software "in the cloud" and all the hardware bought up for datacentres three years in advance.What actually comes of i? We'll see.
>>98578486The more I play ilclan, the more I like re-engineered lasers. Fuck your special armor, you take 9 unmitigated damage.
>>98578500Might I also interest you in Acid warhead SRM's in these trying times?
Since we're talking weapons, I need someone to tell me if I'm brain damaged. I've started to really dislike the gauss rifle and have started taking some version of AC/10 over it when a I get the chance (usually UAC/10). I just have a hard time justifying the insane weight of the gauss rifle even with all the benefits. I feel like a schizo when I talk about it and need someone to make a case for the gauss rifle over other ballistic counterparts.
>>98578575The case for gauss rifles is that 15 is enough to decapitate most mechs and much closer to the PSR threshold than 10. It cuts clean through pristine armor on most locations for anything smaller than 50 tons and still makes heavier units nervous about their now much more precarious armor situation.
Five hundred machine guns.
>>98570585For the BV, ISMPLs and ISLPLs are quite efficient.
>>98577283no but you're actually just being a backinmyday boomer for no reasonit's just as easy to ctrl+c a part of the screen with the snibbing tool and ctrl+v it into your reply as it is to right click copy an image and ctrl+v it into your reply. It's the same number of button presses either way you do it.
>>98578575Gauss can instagib any mech not using hardened or ballistic reinforced armor in one headshot, and has better range.That being said, I am a big fan of LBX-10. It's decent hole-punching capability and extremely good crit-seeking in one package, with 10 damage with solid slugs being respectable and 10 cluster 1 hits giving you a lot of rolls to cause crits on targets that have been stripped of armor. Also, you get -3 against flying units when firing buckshot, which came in really handy when playing against a guy who liked spamming VTOLs.
>>98570723Is that an Age of Empires reference?
>>98578672That gives me an idea for a warship. Be right back.
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>>98580795It's literally less inputs to save and upload a file than it is to use a screen shipping tool.
>>98583510Except any more sites are displaying Media as .webps...
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>>98583630Keep in mind they can be fired in point defense mode.
>>98583619Stop being an absolute brainlet and just download the file support packages for your operating system. For fucks sake, people used to install USB drivers; that wasn't even hard and this is even lower stakes.
>>98588204I have a better, more violent solution.
