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I'm converting a Bray shaman in full plate, any ideas on how to make him look more wizard than warrior? Although the idea is this one is going to be my selfbuff beatstick shaman.>TQBeastmen Chariots
>>98574890How bout this? Carefully but that staff top and add it to his crown directly. Then you can change the staff to another type of bray staff. Also, I approve suicide shamans. They are under respected for what they can do.
>>98574890You should give him the Mantle of Ghorok spell as well as the Jagged Dagger.Place him in a unit of Ungors or Gors and go wild, pun intended.
>>98574926>>98574938naw, Mantle of Ghorok on a chariot with the potion of more attacks. It's possible to have 10 S 10 A, AP2, reroll 1s to wound, plus impact hits, plus jackass dudes on the chariot, plus first charge bonus.
>>98574951Wild Herd [285 pts]Bray-Shaman, Braystaff, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], Razorgor Chariot, The Axes of Khorgor, Potion of Fervour, Gouge-tusks, Lore of Primal Magic - 285AP3, my bad.
>>98574830i've never ran cavalry because i think they look like ass but this is nice, i'll steal this idea
>>98574938Funny enough that's why I'm converting this dude. A game I played last weekend had my normal shaman kitted out like that. He wiped a unit of 4 minotaurs out and then proceeded to hold my flank down with his ungor retinue late into the game.
i decided to get a box of night goblins just in case i ever feel like running them, love how each goblin is 5 separate pieces and customisable.i hope modern gw never touches orcs
>>98575108I prefer Skull Pass night goblins because they're a single piece...
this is utter nonsense. unironically makes royal clan warriors worse than regular warriors, on top of just making no sense from a common sense perspective. because their axes are more finely crafted they suddenly cant sling a shield over their shoulder? this is pure "unit balance" totally destroying outfitting standards for arbitrary meta reasons.
>>98575162You shouldn't be allowed to carry a shield together with a great weapon, or a shield with a ranged weapon, or a great weapon with a ranged weaponyou only ever could because the dwarf book was wrong in the first place, and it should get rectified soon as well hopefully
>>98574830I wish Saurus Warriors were better
>>98575235>You shouldn't be allowed to carry a shield together with a great weaponthere are entire sections in the core rulebook on carrying multiple weapon loadouts and how and when you are allowed to switch, it is definitely not unintended.maybe its hard to imagine if you are used to frail elf or goblin arms i suppose, or the gape jawed bumbling of men
>>98574830>TQState/Ranged trooper, drop details and useless crap, make it more uniform, it's supposed ot be professional armies, not some rag-tag bunch of mercsI just did the colours on my Standard, now to do the skeleton in the circle., grass, rim and done with the painting contest.What are YOU working on right now?
what paint should I buy
>>98574830Not my favourite army, but I would collect High Elves if the spearman didn't have fucked up fat hands.I think the thickness of hands (and perhaps fundamentally the thickness of weapons) is the biggest problem I have with older models, otherwise I really like them.>>98570799uhhhh
Rolled 4, 5, 1, 2, 6, 4 = 22 (6d6)Fuck I'm so embarassed how do I log out
>>98575162just use them with gromril great axes and shields anyway and just claim you got it wrong by mistake if anyone asksgw mistakes are no reason to not use them
>>98575336At least you know how to roll. How do you do that?
what're good alternative mini lines? mantic seems like dogshit. wargames atlantic has some good stuff at least but it's all very nonspecific for their fantasy stuff, except their skeletons which are kino
>>98575344Lurk more
>>98574890do beastmen use books? add a book or scroll, or some sort of totem, decorated skulls, a cape...or a wizard hat
>>98575368Beastmen aren’t dumb, while more regular Gors, Ungors, Bestigors, etc can’t read and if they can it may be the runes of their own beast tongue it wouldn’t be out there for a clever beastlord or a bray shaman to read the local language if humans and other races, if only to know where to strike next. And seeing as spell scrolls and such are a thing you could take for granted that some do know how to read books and scrolls.
>>98574830>TQSkeletons and skeleton horses, obviously.
>>98574951Oh my god. I al building a shaman on a chariot because it looks cool, I never even thought of making a rapemachine out of him. Here is my dragon ogre I posted yesterday. Only 1 more to go.
>>98575401Kino Dogres anon, I love the old metal sculpts. So much character.
>>98575309You mean paint brand? AK 3rd gen is the probably the best
>>98574379It's a competently written lore book, but it has minimal crunch in it
>>98575444Thanks, I got 3 with axes and 6 with swords. Just ordered a metal shaggoth from an Italian man.
A few threads ago an anon posted his sketches of chorf helmets that were pretty cool. Been trying to find them but no luck. I don't suppose any of you lads saved them? Thanks.
>>98575344The previous post was mine too, I flubbed rolling.This isn't solved by "Lurk more", it's solved by "Read and observe available information more" specifically via checking the /tg/ sticky post which has the instructions.>>98575614The advice for this is: check desuarchive and search for warhammer fantasy general. I had a brief look, because I thought I remembered it but didn't find it in the past 3 threads.Maybe search other variations of the thread subject line, maybe that thread had a typo or different subject name and that's why I didn't see it in my search.
>>98575720>The advice for this is: check desuarchive and search for warhammer fantasy general.That was what I was doing but I didn't have luck finding it.Turns out I forgot to check the filter for chorfS, plural like a retard, and missed it. Found it by looking for helmets eventually. Was from almost a month ago too wtf.Here they are by the way, if anyone else is interested.
>>98575266Certainly not some tranny-coded bait posts you homo. Brown, pink and teal is an awful color scheme.
>>98575151i think i actually have a few monopose single piece night goblins i got in primary school, so might sprinkle them into my forces
>>98575957ntab>sees pink and turquoise>instantly thinks of trannieshis color scheme is awful but you should spend less time online, anon
>>98575309I agree with >>98575467I think AK 3rd Gen are the best. I have GW/Vallejo/Pro Acryl/TTC in addition to AK and these days I almost always use the AK if I have it when I reach for a color.
Rolled 17, 64, 15 = 96 (3d66)>>98575344Test.
>>98575344Just put dice+2d6 (or any other required numbers) in the "options" field.
Are there any color schemes for High Elves that can rival than their original white+blue? I want to start them as my second army. I loved that default scheme as a kid but I don't want to be a box art baby again
>>98575266>What are YOU working on right now?Very cool. Got some greatswords almost done
>>98576018that sword on the banner is so good, great job my guy
>>98576012Have you checked the High Elf Heraldry book?That has a lot of examples so you might find something good in there
>>98576036I was not aware of that book. That's very helpful, thank you anon.
>>98575368They probably can, but they probably would prefer something more primitive like a human hide with the spells carved in.
>>98576012Always was in love with the red- white Chrace.
>>98576018Man, those are some really nice Averlanders. Good job, dude.>ringYou lucky dog.
>>98574830>TQNot really a problem since I'm not married to Gw and there are dozens of alternative models; but the basic dwarf troops are badly designed miniatures and the sculpt themselves are bland and anonymous. They lost all the whimsy and charm of old models but also lack any gritty bitterness of other plastic ranges. They're very... doll-like.Their warmachines and the crew are also very ugly models, with maybe only the flame cannon being a notable exception.New models would be cool but i fear they'd also see a substantial size increase.
should I finish my 40k army before starting my old world army or work on both at the same time
>>98576436IDK anon. I don't know anything about either your 40k army or TOW army, nor do I know anything about what you consider "complete"
>>98576436if you're close to finishing one or the other, then i'd say finish it, if they're both about half done, then whatever.
>>98575354It depends. What range? Any material?What style of sculpt?I have dwarfa from 20+ different manufacturers in plastic, in resin, in metal and in PVC.There's tons of alternatives out there, it just requires some digging. AWG might be a good place to start if you're really curious.
>>98574830>TQI want new pigs and wolves. Other than that I genuinely adore every single O&G model I own. The greenskins are just timeless. And I secretly like the old pigs and wolves too but they do look a bit shit next to newer stuff.
>>98576447Craftworld Eldar and Cathay“Complete” as in a 2000 point list that I can use in a game>>98576457I only have 1 unit done for my Eldar so far
>>98576610>Craftworld Eldar and CathayAwful taste all around. Just fuck off to 40k please.
>>98576610if you only have one unit in your Eldar army and are already tiring of it, maybe you should just move on to another one to keep your interest up
>>98576635>tastelet seetheyeah that's what I thought>>98576637not really tiring or anything just trying to figure out what I should paint next
Thoughts on using contrasts? Citadel vs Proacryl 1st step? Noticed larger model count size so thinking of changing it up.
>>98576678don't do it its not worth ituse an airbrush scheme
>>98576635you own no models and know warhammer only through tww
>>98576678Depends on how you use them. Contrast are, essentially, just inks by a different name. You can use them to tint other colours, including metallics, you can use them for very potent shading and a thousand other techniques, or you can use them to be lazy. It's up to you. I personally think the bare bones look of just primer and contrast looks a bit crap. You're going to be playing with your models for a very long time, anon. Are you sure you want to speed through painting them?
>>98576678dont listen to them, speed paints and slap chop are a revelation
>>98576696Yes. Lazy and not artsy describes me so was thinking of trying it out so sounds good. I'll use my regular paints as wanted if it hits me, like metallics as you mentioned. Just getting the wet palette and paints set up on them all the time when I want to get to all these models was getting to me.
>>98576742Well, get after it then. I'm looking forward to seeing your models, anon. Don't disappoint me.
>>98574830Got a scenario for you guys I ran into last week- a big line of infantry (about 10 guys long) wants to charge a chariot in front of them. The line is directly facing the chariot's flank, but only 2 of the 10 guys are in the chariot's flank arc, while 8 of the 10 are completely within its rear.Does the unit charge & line up with the chariot's flank or rear?
>>98576851Assuming its TOW, you would charge the rear since most are in the rear arc. You use the charge target's arcs to determine even if directly speaking the flank is closer.https://tow.whfb.app/movement-in-detail/flank-and-rear-charges
>>98576610Maybe try to paint a Cathay unit and see if you enjoy it more. Eldar are really bad now apparently anyways so no rush, meanwhile Cathay are very solid
How easy is it for warriors of chaos or greenskins to kill a war altar?
>>98576678I use em as a combined base coat and ink wash. They’re better over a zenithal’d model and better still over a zenithal of color (as opposed to just black/white). If the part is important I’ll do a layer on top but if it’s something like their belt? I just call that shit done after the contrast
>>98575266I am shaving/dremelling/sanding the shields off bretonnian knights to prep them for my Renegade Crowns project (so they look more generic and less bretonnian-specific, and to give me a bigger canvas for freehand/patterns)
>>98577112Can I ask why you're doing that instead of just buying some plastic shields in bulk?Seems like you're spending a lot of hours to make some fantasy shields into historically inspired ones
is there a potato cam version of march of chaos?
>>98577140? - did you look at the image? The 'shields' are moulded plastic shield shapes on the horse caparisons - that is what is being removed, not literally plastic shields from the riders lmaoSee this image which is the normal kit but unpainted, in which you can see the shield shapes on the horsey cloth
>>98577215Okay, fair enough. Sorry, I forgot Brettnoia has the gimmick of random tourney shield on even the Knights wear
How do bretonians get a new horse? Say for instance, a Bretonian knight is mesmerized by the sight of his fair steed being raped by a Minotaur, and in the process of thereafter trying to save it the steed dies, is he condemned to forever walk with his shame? Or does he just buy a new steed?
>>98577236What the fuck are you talking about?Dispose of the drugs you are taking, they're not helping you whatsoever
I’m interesting in starting TOW, and making a battle march army to learn with. I’ve seen that giant spawns of Nurgle are powerful but is it too much in a 750 BM list?
>>98575309>richfag, artfagScale 75>poorfagAK/Pro Acryl/Vallejo>poorfag slopperArmy Painter>richfag slopper goysumer uberwhale nu-40gay marinepigCitadel
Wip foot paladin.
Isn't Vallejo in bad shape at the moment?
>>98577446no they had a big launch last year with their coloured metal range.I think the paint company in the worst place is probably Scale 75
>>98577443For m'lady
>>98577443Bretonnia 6e plastics are so vile. Fuck Anthony Reynolds shitonnia
>>98577452>in the worst placeBeing in fakkin Spain certainly doesn't help. If they hadn't had a bundle deal a few years back on their Fantasy Colour box sets, I would never have tried them. Top quality paints though.
>>98577443I would need to replace the shields for something else for me to do this conversion.
>>98577364You can definitely use a giant spawn of nurgle, just make sure your wife's boyfriend is also okay with it, you massive faggot.
>>98577456Denounce the Perry twins
>>98575266I’m slowly working on my Cygor.
>>98577364Way too much. There's a reason competitive lists bring 2-3 of them at 2000 points and they're still considered busted there. Consider playing with some regular spawn instead.
>>985775742 of them* to be precise, because of the 0-1 per 100
>>98577574Understood. Thank you!
>>98577422Is army painter really considered so bad? I've been using their speed paints to cheat a bit for my infantry blocks and been more or less satisfied with the results. I've also just bought a can of Army Painter satin spray varnish and if it fucks up my models I'm going to be inconsolable. I think the best brand of paint changes color-to-color, but the line that Duncan Rhodes sells under his own name accepts thinning SO well that it's kind of a default pick for my layer paints. Other brands you can't add nearly as much water before the paint is unusable. Turbo Dork does a series of meme metallics with a color shift gimmick that actually look really nice on a table.
>>98577621Army Painter has historically had a bad reputation but they improved that after they released the Fanatic line and updated their Speed Paint
What purpose do milita have for the empire? Are they just purposefully bad chaff?
>>98577636To make money off Mordheim players without officially supporting Mordheim
>>98577422>citadel >richfagPic related, citadel enjoyers
>>98574830In the capital of the Empire of Man, how much education would a typical peasant orphan girl receive, and what would her daily life look like in a well-run orphanage that takes its responsibilities seriously?
>>98577422Whats wrong with Vallejo?!
>>98577728Yes. And all their money goes into Chinese plastic and awful bong paints
We're getting there, the lava OSL will be next.I'm not sure I like having so much lava on the bases, I might put some crackle paint on it eventually.
>>98577753Their contrast paints are kinda crap compared to the other paints on the market
>>98577753Perfectly fine paints, but still a cheaper (poorfag) option. Best value =/= best paint. Also depends on style; if you're a layer painter, then Vallejo is what you want.
Yeah I think the empire just isnt the army for me. I think what im looking for is just a discount warriors of chaos.
>>98577794>I fucking LOVE stormcasts
>>98577794
>>98577752I imagine the orphanage is run by nuns? So I suppose they train the young girls to become nuns themselves once they grow up.
>>98577805naw....well...maybe? Idk. Probably not, I like the priest dudes those xbox huge guys have, but beyond that im indifferent on them. I think the only thing I care for the empire are their zeal and their different faiths being represented on the battlefield, but I feel like there's not enough of a way to represent that on the table. The gun powder, and the pajama dude asthetic just does nothing for me. Funnily enough I think Brets are what im looking for, but their lore is absolutely rancid whenever I try to read into them, and the grail relique isnt grand enough. Also while the peasants are...quite grounded they do still kinda lack the grit im looking for aesthetically speaking.
dwarfs need some cavalry
does anyone have that pic of the empire pulling a fucking huge mobile castle or whatever the fuck it was
>>98578012Ten thousand flagellants dragging the automemorial of Middenheim
>>98576436I shelved my HH Iron Warriors to start a Ghoul horde. Might expand it into a proper VC army, but for now a tide of trogs attacking an army just to eat them sounded more fun than painting my gorillionth hazard stripes.
>>98577752I feel like the average orphan at a well-run orphanage would be more educated then a typical peasant. I assume a normal peasant has literally no education, aside from whatever craft their parent works. Beyond that I don't know, but I would assume any education you got would probably be more religious focused, as usually it's religious organizations that run orphanages.
>>98576904That's what I thought- guy tried to argue you had to move the most direct path in your charge, move straight forward, and line the two guys up b2b with the chariot but I said 'no dude, you have to wheel to maximize contact and the majority is inarguably in the rear arc' and he took offense to that.
>>98577621>Other brands you can't add nearly as much water before the paint is unusable.I'm using some Army Painter and this is my problem with their normal paints. I assume it's because their cheap and have very little pigment, but I find them kind of think and gooey, but then thinning them out basically just turns them into nothing. This is only their default normal paints, I haven't used their speed paints. This isn't a problem with my Citadel or Vallejo paints, which is probably why Army Painter has a lower reputation.>>98577446Pretty sure that's all fear of them being bought out and taken over, but I got some paint from them recently and it seemed fine. The enshittification hasn't been noticeable to me yet.
>>98577364It, like the cathay balloon is absolutely insane at Battle March level. Very few armies would be capable of facing one.
>>98577987Mules in the plains and hills, ibex in the mountains.
Almost done base coating 87 night goblins. Man was not created for such tasks.
Hadn't played in like 18 years or so, buddy hit me up for a game last weekend, was cool getting out some of the guys I had painted so long ago, haven't really seen or thought about them. Just sharing my shittily painted Brets I used.
>>98578534First of all. Glad you enjoyed it.Secondly. Your painting is pretty decent.Third. How did you store those cause they have basically no damage if you haven't used them in 18 years. Fourth. I hope you keep playing and become a valued member of our community.
>>98577987WROOOOONG
>>98577930I don't know what version you're playing cause I checked out with the end times but there used to be an empire army list where you could take flagellants as core, I don't know if it was tied to a special character or something like that but that plus some creative converting could be your base.Like if you look at >>98578030 you could take inspiration from that for a battle-wagon. Maybe also go knight heavy but instead of the full-plate and lances do some knightly order similar to the white wolves, beards, fur and hammers.You can also go heavy on the militia and scouts to avoid the state troops you don't seem to like.
>>98578534I love your Brets, they oose classic charm. I hope you had fun and become a regular poster expanding your Brets (or starting something new).
>>98578690here's an example of an alternate knightly order I foundI also remember seeing a converted unit where they had skull masks, maybe someone's interpretation of the knights of morr
>>98578712Why would you post the trannies ragebait?
>>98578519Which ones? I ordered the 7th edition (AoS) goblins, and now I kind of regret not grabbing the retro older TOW goblins. I think I find them more charming.
>>98578519Gork's strongest warrior
>>98577443Mon frère de cœur
>>98578849
>>98575266Just scrapped all the sculpting I did for a unit of ungor skirmishers I've been working on. Wasn't happy with how the legs were turning out, so I've gone back to the planning stages to make comprehensive references for myself before I try sculpting them again.Digitigrade legs are a motherfucker.
>>9857882740 of the older ones, 27 skull pass ones and 20 newer ones. So there's at least been some variation to break things up.>now I kind of regret not grabbing the retro older TOW goblins. I think I find them more charming.I prefer the skull pass style a bit more, but the older ones have charm for sure. I especially like the fact that they're posable and have really good faces. It's weird how much bigger they are compared to the skull pass gobbos though, and I wish there were more variety in equipment. Would prefer hand weapons over spears, and I don't like the completely flat shields with transfers. I haven't done the shields yet and I'm wondering if it's worth my sanity to start making them look a bit more interesting with green stuff..
>>98579004Make a few greenstuff faces, then pressmold them.
>>98579016Huh. I think I'll try that, thanks anon.
>>98578735literally what the fuck are you talking about, I only come here maybe once every 6 months
>>98578519Im painting 95 EM4 dwarfs. Love the little fuckers but man this is NOT fun.
>>98579226I wish to own that many EM4 Dwarfs.
>>98579226Nice. I stopped at 48.
>>98578640>>98578708They were stored in one of these little plastic tub trays? Not sure what to call them, but I made sure nothing really bothered the container itself, looking forward to putting them in a display case some day.Maybe I'll get them all out sometime and do a full army picture.
>>98578708Realized I didn't answer you but linked you into the reply. I do have a few more knights errant and knights of the realm to paint for the army that I never got around to. I also picked up the MTO 5th edition Men-at-Arms Spearman that GW did last year because I never bought them back in the day, and I didn't like the 6th edition models. Other than that, I have a pile of shame from the late 90s/early 00s of 5th/6th (maybe even 7th?) edition Empire, Dogs of War, Dark Elves, and Dwarfs that I never got around to. Was going to be a mixed Dogs of War army of all those factions. Maybe when I'm situated better I'll start painting again and post updates on those.
>>98579346Hell yeah brother, definitely show us what else you have/paint. Did you enjoy playing the game?
USHABTII WILL ACQUIRE YOUNEXT YEAR MAYBE
>>98579357It was enjoyable enough. We played using 6th edition rules, but added in the Give Ground and Fall Back in Good Order rules from TOW, because that sounded really cool. We both loved that. He was playing Skaven, and the fact that when my knights hit his clanrats or slaves, and didn't immediately break the unit and run them down to destroy them because of those rules felt pretty good to both of us. Previous games in years past had my knights just completely wipe out units like those in the first charge because of the Combat resolution being too greatly in my favor for him to stand his ground.One unit of peasant Bowman managed to kill 3 plague monks, and that's all for the entire game. The other unit missed every shot, so I ended up charging them into his poison wind globadiers and beating then running them down in close combat. Only to then themselves get eaten by the same plague monks the other group was tickling. Both had a good laugh at that.I'll try to get the whole army out tomorrow for a picture, and maybe even some of my pile of shame.
TOW just feels comfy compared to the current state of 40K. I can’t really say it better than that. No meta chasing, no constant churning of releases. It feels like the people who work on this game really love it. The Cathay and Chaos releases have been amazing. Hopeful for the future. Would love to see updated KOTR eventually.
>>98579448>no meta chasing
>>98579448>Cathay and Chaos releases have been amazingChaos was disappointing, I never held any expectations for Cathay however so they were null for my part.
>>98579453Compared to the way 40K releases affect the meta, it’s slow.
>>98579466>Disappointed by big ass chaos dragon. What?
>>98579448It is comfy, but it saddens me that your point of comparison is 40k rather than previous editions of Warhammer. A lot of people say (truthfully) that TOW is a better wargame than 40k, that it has more options than 40k, that the magic items and spells are so much better than what 40k has... but WHFB had more and better before, anon. TOW, thought it has many merits and is a worthy successor, pales in comparison to a proper edition of WHFB in many ways. I'm glad you like it, anon, but don't forget what came before. Try to maintain higher expectations than whatever 40k has forced you to have until now.
It would be so simple for GW to make a cool supplement for fighting your dudes on 28mm scale warships, and they would make an absolute killing selling the ships. Why doesn't GW ever make epic SOVL supplements and add-ons like they used to?
>>98579580I compare what I have, not what I had.
>>98579593You won't keep what you have for long with that attitude, anon.
>>98579588Adapt your own with the Warcry system?
It took the Nagash/Glottkin showcase today for me to realize Luthor Harkon is a Blood Dragon.
>>98579816That is avoiding the question
>>98579859The what?
>>98577987Fuck off
>>98577987"everyone has everything" sure is a very quick way to dilute your setting/game/franchise and suck the soul out of itlike giving almost every class to almost every race in the game you posted
>>98577987Slayers on big angry badgers is kino
>>98579878For Total War Warhammer 3: End Times. They released a video showcasing the new units available to the Glottkin and Nagash.
I am reading the Dwarf novels, old WHFB rule books and army books while waiting for my order to arrive. Does anyone happen to have the 8th edition Dwarfs army book? If you do have it and are willing to toss it on a sharing site I would greatly appreciate it!
>>98579448>no meta chasing Couldn't be more incorrect. Anyways, if you think this is nice you should have seen WHFB. On another note, what in da fuck has this website come to (pic related)?
>>98580000On the m fire sitefolder/tjox84dz7i2mv
>>98580056Ads are personalized to your 4chan history man. I’m still only seein the shitty SoundCloud dude and sometimes I see that one /x/ dude.
>>98580057Thank you, Anon!
>>98580069I use brave browser which doesn't store cookies or cache,
>>98580100and /tg/ is the only board I use
>>98580056Install an ad blocker. Stop being retarded.
>>98579259Last year i painted 50 (the crossbow ones) this year I'll try to finish them all or at least get the 50 axe ones done before the end of the year; leaving the spear ones for next year.>>98579240The price went up a bit since i bought them years ago, but they're still a really good deal.And while I will never need any more of these, I'm be tempted to actually order more spear dwarfs to convert into banner bearers and pike/halberd dwarfs.
>a model with full plate armor and shield gets a 3+ and no parry bonus since it reached the cap>gets hit with an AP -1 attackDo they now save on 4+ or does the parry bonus kick in and give them a 3+ save again?
>>98577987AoS might be more your speed.
>>98580269The dwarves there have dragon mounts
What factions don’t have access to dragons lore wise now, also did tomb kings always have access to them or was that just an odd inclusion?
>>98580273They also all slayers! Except for the ones with balloons!
>>98580283Dwarfs.
>>98580288This guy is just a regular-ass dwarf ranger. All the heroes in this boxed game were oddly not very AOS in vibe
>>98580291What about the empire and Kislev?
>>98580296Listen dude, I just want to rebase my Magmadroth for TOW and my Dwarf King.
>>98580299Magmadroths do look pretty cool, but you aren't going to find any options for it for dwarfs in TOW that aren't really awkward at best.
>>98580299He could be a giant chaos spawn for chaos I guess. Or something else entirely.
are slayers any good in TOW? are they any fun?
>>98580366No Maybe if you used them in battlemarch, but otherwise fuck no
>>98580372very sad.
>be one of the most iconic units in the history of the game>game gets revived>get dogshit rules even in the army list composed of them, while the nu chinkshit army btfos themIt hurts, slayerbros.
Just checking inYou HAVE incorporated Ring of Doom into your list, right? It is bonkers broken and should be a must take no matter what army you take. Your basic fuck ass champion is now a level 3 wizard, congratulations.
>>98580295I wish I could take a second hand weapon on a Thane and not just slayers, I always liked dual wielding axes.
>>98580480Yep, dual axes are sick. Really most of the time I feel dual wielding should be an option. I know dwarfs love their shields but still.
Aren’t additional weapons kinda awful most of the times
>>98580489Did you forget to use the reply functionAnyway, yeah, but that doesn't stop them being cool
>your hero special rule works only with one hand weapon What a waste of points. I get it might be limted because of magic weapons, but they should still work with other non-magical weapons.
>>98580518>no army with this era of armour's aestheticTragic
All that's left to do is give this man a hood and a cape when I can find greenstuff. I used the extra plates I cut off the chaos sorcerer on his thigh plates after I shaved them down, I liked it it helps the sorcerer bits blend a little better with the bestigors legs
>>98580518Made for BBC (Big Burgundian Cock) >>98580533Pic related
>>98580557bretroonians absolutely mogged
>>98580551Looking good Anon. Make sure to give him a cool name and some background fluff to make your games more fun!
>>98580563Why rely on a beastlord when you can bring the will of chaos yourself
>>98580551>>98580563I concur. May I suggest some play on words for the Bullet Farmer from Mad Max.
>>98580557Thin bases look so much better and I'm tired of pretending otherwise >>98580551This model just doesn't do it for me. It looks so far removed from the classic Warhammer beastman aesthetic. Not your fault, it's just the new sculpting style
>>98580261I'd play it the way you specified, but pretty sure it doesn't work that way.
Done with the Standard Bearer! I was aiming for a pseudo Eddy-the-Trooper pose, but my imagination does not match my skill with a brush, still it is done and wiht it, my Infantry Regiment for the painting contest!>>98575957It's Castellan Green, Genestealer purple and the rim is Waagh Flesh, the brown is merely due to the basic base colouring.
>>98580295>this boxed game were oddly not very AOS in vibeProbably why it was a major flop while Chorf redesign was a huge success acording to the investors report. AoS designs sell, classic fantasy doesn't
why are new lost kingdom miniatures so much worse than the older ones? i remember quite liking their chorfs
>>98580632They look great though, aside from having added women, which is fucking retarded, but they've always done that.
>>98580658I wish they were more woke, so they would've done women without boobplate, then I can just give them men's heads instead.
>>98580632They ran out of ideas and went full monopose?
>>98580620t'es francais ?
Since we know Kislev is coming back I'm wondering, do you think they'll bring back their special rules or make up new ones?>kossars: always stand and shoot, no penalties to stand and shoot if the enemy is over half of their charge distance away>lancers: enemies have to take panic tests when chargedI could see streltsi getting the kossar rules as well, same with bear cavalry getting the lancer panic rule.pic related, it's how the queen will look like after the polonization of kislev is complete
>>98580735I'd like if they actually went in on the polish-lithuanian commonwealth bit and gave them some of the kino look. Unfortunately I expect them to look like they do in TWW3 (aka like shit) and just have some polish and ukrainian names instead
>>98580743I don't know, I don't expect too much BUT Cathay wasn't translated 100% from TWW3 so they still might tweak some designs. Probably nothing revolutionary but I wouldn't be surprised if they at least removed the bears from the cannons and warsleds.
>>98580735Why should they have these special rules? What is it with Warhammer players and piling special rules on top of special rules?But if they bring Kislev back, I sure hope they go the PLC route instead of ice and bears and bears and ice.
>>98580753>why would an army in warhammer have special rules
>>98580709Non, mais pareil.
>>98580785>québécoispouah .. écœurant
>>98580835Je sais, on est pas mal 'hot'.
>>98579588This would work very well with the 6e Skirmish rules, just write some simple rules for steering the ships and you're golden.
>>98580762It's a critique of the rules as a whole.
>>98579588because companies nowadays are alergic to risk, making a new system and gigantic tools for molding ships with no proven interest is risky, tow was already a stretch
>>98580960Sorry but that's nonsense, special rules along with stat lines are what give armies their personality.
>>98579588You mean The General's Compendium, Chapter 8: Boat in Warhammer, page 128? >download PDF>3D print boats >enjoy
>>98580982Could be, but it also leads to an arms race where first infantry was too weak, then parry and fight in extra rank where added (but not for monstrous infantry). That made infantry more defensive (in principle there is nothing wrong with this), so some infantry units got furious charge to differentiate them from regular grunts (but not for monstrous infantry). So they end up adding more and more rules and special rules to units to fix issues which were caused by previous rules updates, which were attempts to fix issues which were caused by previous rules updates...
>>98581007This has fucking nothing to do with unique army special rules.
>>98581035It does in the sense that army special rules add more clutter and arbitrary exceptions to the rules.
>>98581041No. Go play saga or something.
>>98576678Nothing against them but personally I dont care for them. I think minis painted entirely by them lack any personality. They are decent If you just want minis into tabletop condition and dont really care to improve as a painter.
>>98580366The slayer host army is currently extremely powerful and annoying to deal with in certain regions that don't comp doomseekers.
>>98580440always funny to see grogs seething about cathay.
What's next for the main character of The Old World?
>>98580533There is one, but you're not gonna like it...
>>98579507Not him, but it definitely is about an order of magnitude too big.
>>98581578Have you seen it irl? It looks spectacular in person.
>>98581570That might be the first decent CoS face I've seen
>>98581563Zhao Ming and western provinces release.
>>98580000If you want to read about Dwarfs, avoid that shitty book like the plague, it's where GW go full-retard with the Flanderization and start putting in dumb shit like>Um ackshulee Dwarfs don't use wood at all, everything is made of METAL because DWARFS and MINING and shit
>>98581603Western provinces are way more interesting. I understand why they launched with Miao Ying and the Northern Provinces but they are played very straight. Western provinces feel more Warhammer with the rogue alchemists and warpstone use/abuse
>>98581595"Looking spectacular" is, at most, a tertiary consideration for what is supposed to be a fucking wargaming figure.Gigantic centrepiece models or these fucking mobile dioramas modern GW is obsessed with are brilliant for them new main audience - aspiring instagram poofters who put things on shelves and never, ever play with them - but they're a pain in the arse to transport, a pain in the arse to paint, a huge fucking annoyance to move around on the table, and needlessly expensive because of their size.Nobody's asking them to go back to tiny monsters on 40mm bases, but for fuck's sake exercise a *little* restraint.
>>98581611Oh don't worry anon, they'll find a way to sanitise even that vague hint at complexity. Afterall, the Sensitivity Readers won't want GW's chink overlords to be offended by something that might be construed as a reference to the humiliations of the Opium Wars.
>>98581631I'm asking them to go back to slightly less tiny monsters on 50mm bases. Then again, I refuse to add a dragon to my collection out of spite at this point.
>>98574951(Gets challenged by a unit champion)
>>98581631The top of the dragons wings actually clip in via pressure. There is no need to glue them and you can easily disassemble them for easier transport. Something you’d know if you saw the model irl and got a chance to see how it was designed. It’s really dope.
>>98581749Repeatedly removing and attaching the wings will damage the paint on and around them. That's a terrible idea.
>>98581639All the CA lore from Total War was written and overseen by GW themselves. The Total War Northern Provinces are also boring. It’s just they decided to start the army with the Cathayan straight man (woman) faction.
>>98581754You’re supposed to protect the paint with varnishing anon
>>98581663This is the correct spirit for the game
>>98581759I'm well aware, I use gloss varnish on all my models. No amount of varnish can hold up to that much wear and tear.
>>98581599Is it just the doomseekers that are powerful, or are slayers themselves improved enough to be decent?
>>98581631Someone with common sense. Models don't even have to be big to be spectacular but james has contracted a terminal case of bigger = better. Or maybe the size is just to justify charging so much for the damn thing.
>>98581780Slayer Host armies being oppressive has, sadly, nothing to do with how strong they or their units are. No, the truth of the matter is that whoever decided you could take 0-4 doombringers per daemon/dragonslayer in your list was a total retard who couldn't conceive of a future where people would run 16 doomseekers. That's 800 points worth, by the way, and remember: Doomseekers don't give your opponent victory points when they die, they give you those VPs. So, Slayer Host armies play a really fucked up anti-game. If your opponent can't play dodge the doomseeker, he loses. Guess what competitive SH players do with the other 1200 points of their list? They hide it in a slayer bunker, a really big, 30+ dwarf slayer bunker, and they pray their opponent can't kill it. Luckily, they're aided by having 16 naked retards wielding axes on chains (though nobody actually uses the End Times models and the guy most famously known for abusing this list in my area 3d printed his entire army) they can throw at their opponents' units. Some regions rightfully comp this and enforce a hard limit on the number of doomseekers you can bring. Other regions, like Ottawa (the capital of Canada and home to the beardiest gamers in the world, from my experience), don't, and so players who run a Slayer Host army have been fucking up the tournament scene. So, no. Slayers still suck. Doomseekers still suck too. That's part of why they're so good. They suck so hard that they die super easily, which is what lets SH players win.
>>98581810What causes people to play in such a Jewish manner?
>>98581855It’s a Jewish army inherently
>>98581855They want to win. Some of them find that winning through loopholes and chicanery is enjoyable in a post-modern kind of way. I was going to rant about how anons ITT would know about this (and many other excesses and abuses made manifest by the idiots writing the rules for TOW) if they actually played the game, but that wouldn't be fair. Most anons, assuming they play the game, probably play in areas with far less metagamist butt-fuckery afoot. I envy them, truly. Ignorance is bliss.
>>98581810That is really funny. I wouldn't even be mad.I'm gonna tell my dwarf buddy about this.
First unit based and ready. I still have no idea what I'm doing but it's turning out okayish.
>>98581810see that sounds like a funny gimmick to try out once, but unironically running this shit at a tourney sounds miserable
>>98580632They stopped making the arms and head separate so customizing is a pain. Also half women and boobplate
>>98579975so for some reason its no problem when the chaos dwarfs have cavalry, but when regular dwarfs have them its diluting the game?dwarfs having no cavalry is one of the stupidest sacred cows of this IP
Has anyone ever seen more photos of the Dark Elf castle from the 7th edition army book?
>>98581957It's also briefly shown in the 8th edition army book but nowhere else afaik.(I checked the White Dwarf magazines released alongside the 7th and 8th edition army books, but it isn't in them).
>>98581949Yes. If sacred cows bother you, Warhammer Fantasy is not a game you should be playing. Dwarfs should not have cavalry. They're a slow army. That's what they are. Instead of demanding they change to match your tastes at the expense of people who like dwarfs now, you should pick a different army.
>>98581670That means it wins fully. 6 br (1 w 5 over w), d6+2 impact hits at ap2, and enemy doesnt get rank bonus and doesnt even get to fight back.Please challenge me little champion. Please.
>>98577987This. Everyone else naysaying it a retard.
>>98581968but chaos dwarfs are also a slow dwarf army, yet they have cavalry and all sorts of monstrous mounts and it seemingly bothers no onein fact the dwarf army itself isnt even that slow, it just gets forced to use stupid helicopters to make up the difference for lack of proper mounts, and the fact that you seem to have no issue with apache attack squadrons but all the issue in the world with some ram riders or something is very stupid
>>98581965Bases and light from them looks decent enough I'd say, but the light effects inside the blunderbuss barrels sadly looks more like white/yellow that isn't covering properly than anything else.
>>98581670That's not how challenges work, anon. They only do what you're trying to imply they do against units that need to rely on their mount attacking to win combat. The great-bray shaman in question does all the attacks it needs to do by itself.
>>98581855Dwarfs are the jewish faction so it fits
>>98581987The helicopters are stupid, I agree with you. They're another sacred cow and you have no right to change them. Stop trying to change something you don't like into something you like. Go find something you like instead.
>>98581920It is miserable, but it wins games. Why else would they play it? They're not there to have fun, anon, they're there to win. It surprises me that more anons didn't know about this. It's been a hot topic for months now.
>>98581938GAYYYYYYYYYYYYI don't understand the boob plate on stuff like their nurgle chaos warriors. They're deliberately made to be ugly, why try to give them a sex appeal factor? At least GW mostly makes their random women additions androgynous enough to swap heads out
>>98582013Yeah those breastplates are ridiculous. I noticed the old Tzeentch and Khorne warriors don't have that. They just have optional female heads and are maybe 2% shorter.
>>98582002this is exactly the kind of dumbass heel digging that got the game killed in the first place
>>98580622No its because they’ve shit the bed with the past two WHQ releases. This one’s rules didn’t work, and I also don’t think AoS is a strong enough IP to sell very specific side-games like quest.
>>98582029You very clearly don't like Warhammer Fantasy and don't belong in this thread.
Not playing this dogshit game until the soul grinder gets rules in warriors of chaos.
>>98582032Last whq was very popular wasn't it? Just fucked up with stock issues for years. But apparently the new nurgle one had major gameplay issues
>>98582075You're going to be waiting a very long time, anon. Have you considered playing 8th, which had those exact rules you claim to want, or is playing an old edition too much for you?
>>98582085Yeah it was relatively, but yeah the stock issues and subsequent axing of the dlc was them fucking it up. But I think Cursed City especially showed that more grounded designs sell better. Darkwater was stupidly released alongside the AoS Nurgle release, so it was literally competing with itself, where Blackstone Fortress and CC were both preludes to the chaos and undead releases respectively. I think there was a good amount of wait which caused people to buy in, where I think a lot of people just opted to buy the bespoked AoS Nurgle stuff over Darkwater.
>>98582117Idk what’s with this revisionism, aside from the stormcast, silver tower itself was also quite grounded. Was also probably the only quest game worth playing outside of the original, but that’s a different conversation.
>>98582153GW are looking for a new designer for Warhammer Quest btw
>>98582153Idk in what world Silver Tower is at all grounded. A stormcast, glittery slayer, a floating mirror mage, a weird dark elf berserker. All fighting metamorphic tzeentch daemons and weird spider goblins.
>>98582013I don't think it's a matter of sex appeal as much as sex representation for some reason technically it's still better than when gw does it because in this case it's just potential stl files you can just not print for your own unit, but it's still something most people definitely aren't asking for at allmaybe it's just completionist autism because they have done male and female warriors for some other set
what would be the best chaos dwarf unit to proxy this thing in as? an iron demon? seems like it might be kind of the wrong silhouette but the base size is pretty close and the two weapon profiles kinda match its two weapon loadouts the model comes with
>>98582329It’s so fucking stupid how chaos dwarves don’t have soul grinders and have that ugly kdai thing instead.
>>98582329Why would you willingly buy that when awesome 3D prints exist?
>>98582329Yes, Iron Daemon is closest - simply because it is a daemonforged construct that either has two guns or melee weapsI dont think there'd be another profile with an appropriate base size in any case.I wouldnt worry about silhouette given how the rules deal with LoS stuffThat said I prefer the actual iron daemon to this thing to the point of gladly getting a recast
>>98581949Chorfs have all this wild wacky shit precisely because they're the dwarfs that dont give a fuck about breaking traditionNormal dwarfs however do have a fairly static culture and are very traditional, and thats part of their identity
>>98582032AoS already sold 2 quests vefore. It's only the ToW looking one that wasn't a hit
aosfags go and stay go
>>98582153>silver tower itself was also quite grounded.
Love me some grounded, low fantasy mudcore like this
>>98581911You want to blacken the top of the cork, no osl there. For the lava, you want to do some stiplling with yellow and white, and some orange. NO BLENDING then once its dry do lots of yellow glazes with one final red at the rocks. Don't do orange glazes, it doesn't work
>>98581965Why won't GW make Dark Elves part of TOW? Do they hate money? I'd buy them in an instant. Love me some raptor cav.
>>98582452The same reason why they havent bothered to update dark eldar in 40k, they dont know how to handle them anymore.
>>98582153There's nothing grounded about silver tower.That being said it is absolutely kino and has some of the best sculpts in aos (outside of the spider goblins). Compare the darkoath chief from silver tower to the rest of the darkoath range which came out like 7 years later.Silver tower is one of the few cases where they actually managed to pull off the mega high fantasy stuff AoS was trying to do. Shadespire is another good contender.
>>98582452This has been discussed to death already. You can play a dark elf army right now if you'd like. You can get the models from the second-hand market. If you want them, get started now. If you're looking for an excuse, it means you never really wanted a dark elf army in the first place.
>>98582389How tf is Darkwater more WHF than Cursed City in your eyes
>>98582496cursed city is without a doubt more aos coded than darkwater is with its human and dwarf heros. ogre too.
>>98582452They're already gone from the webstore, relaunch imminent.
>>98582329Or you could get this with a fraction of the price. The helmet design is also reminiscent of the legion of azgorh.
>>98582496The heroes of darkwater are definitely the most "classic" fantasy of the bunch, outside of the centaur. The enemies are about the same in that regard, can't say one is more or less "whf" than the other.
>>98582452When TOW launched, it was obvious GW wasn't sure what they were doing in the long run other than they were avoiding armies that had large crossover with AoS. Skaven was the big one with AoS 4th about to launch, but stuff like Cities, Chaos, and whatever they call the dark elf AoS faction were also pushed back for the same reason.This TOW 1.5-ish patch with Battle March brought much more care and attention than expected to TOW, but it obviously affects people interested in certain armies. Many people are just buying old models or converting from AoS (like the new ogres especially).tl;Dr you can use old models, models from AoS, or convert. TOW players aren't as anal about appearances. May have to consider base size.
>>98582504other than the kharadron with the harpoon launcher, none of the Cursed City characters was very AoS-y; the ogre pit fighter is a mainstay of whfb and was a thing the Mordheim skirmish gamecursed city also had a very whfb witch hunter and female wood elf archer
>>98582335>willingly using one of the ugliest 40k models of all time>in wfblmao
>>98582627The heroes are all very much more anime inspired than historical what the fuck are you on about. >mordheim Not fb.
>>98582013I sigh every time I see him do a kit like this. I appreciate that he offers 10 unique sculpts and 3 command for infantry units but half of those bodies are unusable for me.
>>98582627>The ogre pit fighter is a mainstay of whfbIt's also directly based on one of the Badlands orges from the 90s that you can currently buy for TOW
>>98582641>>mordheim>>not fbYou may be mentally challenged, anon. What, is WFRP also not "fb"?
>>98582689> is WFRP also not "fb"?You will get many people who will argue that, yes.
>>98582699Those people are retarded and so are you. Mordheim is set in the same world as WHFB and WFRP.
>>98582671I prefer this design for ogres.
>>98582704>Mordheim is set in the same world as WHFB and WFRP.But it was not made with the same vision of fb as fb at large.
>>98582689>is WFRP also not "fb"?People in this general do argue that it is the case from time to time anon.
>>98582711Irrelevant.
>>98582721and that mind set is how we got 8th editon.
>>98582722Good. 8th edition is woefully misunderstood and overhated.
>>985827228th edition was good and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>>98582728>>98582727>>98582727stop same fagging and fuck to /aosg/.
>>98582732>retard
>>985827328th ed is an edition of Warhammer Fantasy, anon. It's not AoS. Also, look at the time between those two posts. They're not from the same poster.
>>98582667I can empathise with you anon; I also find girls to be icky.
>>98582689>Not a wargame>No rank & flank gameplay>No battles>No 'fantasy battles' subtitle anywhere >Troonplaying gameNo, WFRP is not FB, arguing otherwise is cope.
>>98581949>so for some reason its no problem when the chaos dwarfs have cavalry, but when regular dwarfs have them its diluting the game?Correct. Next question.
>>98582838I reject your argument entirely. Yes, WFRPfags are fags sometimes. No, that doesn't mean WFRP isn't WHFB and it certainly doesn't mean Mordheim isn't WHFB either.
>>98582739>I-i-i swear I'm n-not samefagging anon, look at the timerino, it couldn't have been me despite all posts bearing the same amount of faggotry
>>98582874What do you dislike about 8th?
>>98582877>What do you dislike about a literal pile of rancid shit?You are not worth engaging.
>>98582892Neither are you. A pity, really. I like 8th's army building, charging, and magic rules, despite some spells being overpowered.
>>98582704Eh I think there's some truth to it. Set in the same universe obviously but had a somewhat different aesthetic and tone, which did end up influencing the main game.
>>98582329kdaii destroyer
>>98582819You're being disingenuous and boobplate is still silly.
>>98582496darkwater's characters are all white
>>98582029What got the game killed in the first place was GW's period of utterly retarded game design during 7th that led to a handful of the new army books being autowin to the point that many armies might as well concede instantly rather than waste two turns confirming their defeat, combined with GW corporate under Kirby's period of ludicrously greedy behaviour around unit sizes, number of minis in a box, and prices.The fact you don't know that is proof-positive you're a piece of shit outsider and probably even a disgusting Sigpigger, to where I invite you to fuck right off - they're revamping their Duarwianinios or whatever the fuck they call Dwarfs soon, no doubt they will have plenty of farcical bullshit like Dwarf goat-esque-trademarkable-creature cavalry to sell you.
>>98582980im not seeing that in the army builder or the rules, is it some FW exclusive pdf rules from 8th or something?
>>98583241it was from 8th ed but didn't get a mini, yeah, didn't know they didn't include it in the legacy rules
>>98582029>was it the newly-commercialised powercreep, the shift to giant centerpieces, and the new necessity for 50-strong horde units that killed the game? >no, it must have been the... *checks notes*... winning formula, stable roster, and established setting, which were responsible for the game's commercial success for the preceding two decades
>>98583543Whfb was in trouble long before 8th. All the things you mentioned were nothing more than desperate attempts to squeeze more money out of the existing playerbase. Symptoms, not the cause.
>>98583543>stagnant rosteryes, exactly. you hit the nail on the head. there was nothing new for anyone to buy. just more of the same units they already had, just buy them again and again and make people require more of them to play, instead of giving them new units and new ways to play their armythat was EXACTLY what killed fantasy as a product line. there was nothing new for anyone to buy until the end times when it was already too late
>>98583575The game was in trouble, perhaps. Rank and flank is a hard sell in the best of times. The setting, however, was all hunky-dory. There was a case to be made (a case I do not agree with in any way, but nevertheless) for Warhammer moving away from RnF to a new ruleset. There was not, is not, and never will be a case for blowing up the Warhammer world.
People who wish they didn't blow up the world, consider this: If they didn't, then stormcast would have been added to WHFB
>>98583591WHFB wasn't designed in such a way that constantly adding or replacing units would work in the long-term. You could, eventually, finish collecting an army, and if you so choosed you could start a new one. There's a reason people still used models from the 80s and 90s right up until the end. WHFB wasn't 40k. You couldn't have three different varieties of bretonnian knights of the realm (weapon options notwithstanding), you just had knights of the realm, or chaos warriors, or empire militiamen, or what have you. GW didn't (or at least not as often as they did/do in 40k/AoS) delete units from the game and say you couldn't use your old models anymore. We now see what the kind of business model you're advocating for results in. How many times have they tried to sell people variations upon variations of space marine, anon? Is that what you want for WHFB?An army from the heady days of 3rd ed still being valid (more or less, some things did eventually get changed enough to be unrecognizable) as late as 8th is something to be envied, not decried. The notion that WHFB had to follow the same business model as 40k is foolish and hindsight has shown that position to be completely wrong. They could have released new armies. They could have released new versions of old models that were actually worth buying. They could have gone back to casting in metal. They had options, but instead they chose to blow up the world. The game may very well have been better off dead instead of becoming what 40k/AoS are today. The verdict is still out on if TOW will manage to not fuck up enough to earn a place alongside WHFB proper.
>>98583701adding stormcasts to fantasy still wouldn't have been as destructive as destroying the worldthe point of destroying the world was to rebuild it with stormcasts at its front and center if stormcasts were added to fantasy they couldn't possibly get made the front and center of it, only an ugly appendix
>>98583777>y they couldn't possibly get made the front and center of it,*cough* cathay? *cough*.
>>98583794>Cathay are exactly like Stormies; a new addition that came out of nowhere and has no real place in the settingThe lack of reading comprehension hints at you being American.
>>98583777You know how in everything space marines and guardsmen appear in, the guard are just mooks to die to prove how cool space marines are? The human factions would become that
>>98583794cathay is a perfect example of an ugly appendix that's unable to become the front and centergw is trying their hardest to shill them and connect them to the empire, but they're still distant shit that hardly changes the status quo and can be easily ignoredthe empire remains the empirethe most logical way to add stormcasts to the old world would have been to make them essentially act like grey knights: they're secret/secluded and appear like a divine intervention only when needed to deal with the weirdest shit and then disappear
>>98583815That's only the case because space marines and the guard were introduced together, if the setting existed with only the guard for 40 years and then marines got added they wouldn't have the same focus.
>>98583735>There's a reason people still used models from the 80s and 90s right up until the end.yeah and thats why it went out of business. the only thing you could sell you was new refreshes of your old kits because they werent adding actual new units and armies. they could try to convince you to start a new army but then you look around and a lot of the army lines are neglected for 10+ years a time with bad looking models and no new units to buy anyways. this problem, preservation vs financial viability, is described well herehttps://youtu.be/KrKvud6ZRM0?si=sI6hYLZZ2ErVwucz&t=260if you dont give anyone anything to buy, shocker, no ones going to buy it and you (as GW the company) make no money to keep your product line going
>>98583823You say that as if it was a bad thing. Better to die and be played by true enthusiasts than to shit the game up solely to squeeze out another buck.
>>98583837>Better to die and be played by no oneyou do you but i'd rather play a warhammer fantasy thats actually alive and supported
>>98583811>a new addition that came out of nowhere and has no real place in the settingso, cathay? >>98583818I honestly kinda like that but doesnt the empire already have its own illumanati thing going on?
>>98583872If you weren't playing WHFB between 2015 and 2022, that's on you, anon. Plenty of people were keeping the game alive and in a far better state than it was while GW was strangling it to death. Remember how 8th was oh so horribly unbalanced and shit? The people who kept playing it after the end fixed it with comp. The return to 6th edition may have started during 7th, but it kept going and only grew in importance after 8th came and went. Warhammer Renaissance only happened because of the End Times. Shame on you for being such an obedient dog to a master who killed the game you supposedly enjoyed. And what has that master done for you lately? Every new arcane journal for TOW breaks the game all over again. Don't get me wrong, it's nice that people are playing WHFB again and that some models are being brought back into production, but don't think for a second that GW won't take it all away from you again.
>>98583904i have 3 game stores in a capitol city where i play, i dont think i saw a single game of warhammer fantasy played until the old world came out. people dont want to play dead games. idk, maybe its different in your little european basement club but in any civilized country no one is playing dead games with unsupported rules and out of production model lines. and, i'll go further to say that grogs who unironically think the game is better as some stable frozen carcass instead of a living and supported game are bad for the hobby as a whole and should be spat on.
>>98583971I'm from Canada, anon. People were playing WHFB here for years and years after it "died". There were also plenty of people playing it in Europe and I bet there were loads of people playing it in the states too. Maybe you were just unlucky. Maybe you could have gotten a scene going if you cared enough. It doesn't really matter, I'm glad you're enjoying TOW. You should thank the grogs for that, by the way. It was the grogs who kept the game going for damn near a decade while people like you pissed and moaned and did nothing. I'd say they've done more for the hobby than you have, though I suppose if by "good for the hobby" you mean "good for GW", all bets are off.
>>98583971>and, i'll go further to say that grogs who unironically think the game is better as some stable frozen carcass instead of a living and supported game are bad for the hobby as a whole and should be spat on.NTA, but as a person who use to enjoy video games, this is sadly not the case. Corporations want money. They do not care about any hobby, any fluff or anything in the past, unless they can monetize it. Look at how MMOs went from multiplayer adventure and roleplaying simulators, to cosmetic lootbox money pits that have lost most of their creators and ended up with horrible new fluff and story being forced into them.
>>98583904>>98583971Coming in more recent years on the outside, Warhammer minis are a big investment monetarily and time wise so I don't think anyone likes seeing them being made irrelevant in any way.You both have good points but gdubs is obviously trying to have it both ways with wanting new people AND getting players to rebuy shit or churning out new buys (usually characters and center pieces). Just never stop bitching about a game you have vested interest in, that is your American right to do so. If you're European, you're fucked.
>>98577987This from that similar franchise Kings of War ?
>>98583904>The return to 6th edition may have started during 7thWhy? 7th is 6th with some convoluted rules cleaned up and improved in most regards. You could (and should) use 6th army books and expansions with it.
>>98577987That's what the gyrocopters are for.
>>98584234From a historical perspective, largely due to an overreaction to how bad the army books were, as you described. They tossed the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. There have also been differing opinions regarding the changes 7th brought to the ruleset, most notably to magic (power dice no longer being pooled between wizards, for one). 6th edition is weird. A lot of people treat it as the golden age of WHFB. It's not entirely rational! It also depends on where you're playing. Some countries are more into 7th with 6th army books, others are all about a "purer" experience with just 6th stuff.
>>98577987In the book you go
Skeletons or ghouls tonight, lads?
>>98584389Every night is a skeleton night, paint ghouls in the dusk.
>>98584452I’m building, got both boxes today. Skellies it is!
Are there any dark elf stls/alternate models that fit the aesthetic of them in late fantasy?
>>98584498Based. What kind of skellies
>>98584547Kings of War has their not-dark elves, check those out.
Meow YingThey're clearly fucking with us right?
>>98582475Well I burned my first one.
>>98584806you'll get no sympathy from me for destroying the models you were supposed to cherishtroll trader or ebay, get cracking
>>98584813It's a shitpost
>>98584822You vex me, anon. Get the models you want or don't.
>>98584595Oathmark, but I’m swapping the skulls with GW ones because I think they look better. Building a block of spear dudes for my VC.
>>98584850no F1 gifs in /wfg/ pls
>>98583971You are a rancid, novelty-poisoned paypig and it is you who should be spat on, and beaten, and driven from the hobby you would ruin with your slavish corporate asslicking. People like you make me wish I could hate things to death.
>>98584258>It's not entirely rational!It's completely rational. It was a long-lasting edition with substantial amounts of supplementary material and by GW standards solid balance, while its downsides were modest and well understood thus easy to houserule if you cared enough. It's a bowl of porridge that's Just Right, having neither the excessive focus on characters that plagued 5th, nor the abysmal balance of 7th's army books, nor the egregious attempts to force giant armies to sell more minis of 8th(nor its grotesque Flanderization of the IP). You can even sacrifice a little flavour for even better balance by using the Ravening Hordes lists exclusively. Like 4th edition 40K(with only the first half of that edition's codices) it was part of a golden age of GW products where they had the resources to expand the IP and model ranges, but retained enough of the original creators and still relied enough on cultivating their core fanbase that most of the things they made were good.Was 6th perfect? No, but it's better than any other version of WHFB that exists.
>>98582001Dwarves getting compared to Jews is literally the dumbest thing I see on here. The only credible connection: they both love gold and treasure. No shit jackass, tons of cultures love gold, it's the reason the Conquistadors wiped out the Aztecs. Jews don't love treasure, they love Usury. Dwarfs are more famous for their mining efforts, being extremely talented craftsmen and artisans - both things that Jews are extremely poor at, creating beautiful things and honest labor.
>>98585368Shalom
>>98585383Are you retarded?
>>98585368>Big schnozes>Funny hats>Braids>Live in tunnels>Hold grudges forever>Spend their wealth in masses artillery, which keeps them from getting raped into the stone age
>>98585368okay but dwarves are cucks.
>>98582001No that’s the halflings
>>98585399>big noses Dwarfs don't have hooked noses. >funny hatsEvery culture on earth has funny hats. >Live in tunnels Jews have never lived in tunnels. New York rape tunnel didn't exist when WHFB dwarfs were invented. >Holds grudges foreverThis is the only valid comparison to Jews.>Spends wealth in massed artilleryJew don't do this. Jews biggest weapon in their intelligence agencies.
>>98584850>>98585226I want a swarm unit for beastmen so bad. Either tuskgor swarm or raven swarm.
I don’t really care for the chariots or the horses or the infantry getting redone for tomb kings, the scorpion and catapult needed to be plastic yesterday. The heroes were also uneeded too.
Finished painting Malus
>>98585267Except 7th is a better version of WHFB and compatible with 6th armybooks.The only house rule I'd implement is infantry getting their rank bonus at four models in a rank like in 6th.
>>98585431Owning every media is their biggest weapon
>>98582001Are skaven the /pol/estinians then?
>>98585368normal dwarfs no, but the chaos dwarfs had an uncomfortable resemblance to some old antisemitic propoganda. like, VERY uncomfortably close
>>98585752They're very clearly Babylonians, and the Babylonians were a semitic people. Moron. Iranians, Saudis, etc. and lots of other middle eastern people have large noses lmao
>>98585752Why is it uncomfortable for you eh
>>98585752You find it uncomfortable because you're obsessedYou protest too much, as the saying goes
Today i will paint
>>98586036Today you will paint.
>>98582980Doesn't have rules in OW dummy
No new thread?
When you duel and have both a champion and a hero in the unit which one do you accept with first?
>>98586307depends if you are gonna win or not
>>98586349Always the hero. Brets because honour honhon, beasts because no way is a filthy underling taking the spotlight.
>>98586148We don't ned one just yet
I'm not posting my doods in a thread that's about to die
>>98586583Then make a new thread anon
>>98586611I will bake when I get home in 20ish
>>98579448I agree, the newer release have put to rest any worries I had with new launch kits, and the rules and FAQ and lack of a 3 year cycle really bodes well for the long term health of the game. The people working on it really seem to love fantasy and care. Which I can’t say for the other game I play ( HH )
>>98586636to be fair to HH they clearly do care they just don't know what the fuck they are doing. They did one of the biggest ground up reworks of the rules of any GW game in recent years, but entirely missed the mark. It was supposedly designed at the launch of 2.0 as well so they had high fucking hopes for it.
I kinda want to get myself a MTO queek even though i have 0 skaven models
>>98586683then do it anon and treat it as a painting projectMTO are for collectors more than they are for people making armies
>>98586697>MTO are for collectors more than they are for people making armiesExactly. The Elves are honestly a blessing though. The current resin galadrahim guard are a fucking abomination and have single handedly stopped me from considering elves in MESBG. I bought some just in case I want to play elves in the future as an alternative sculpt.
>>98586724>>98586724>>98586724>>98586724New
>>98585368>living in not!europe after being kicked out of the not!middle eastit's not subtle, anon
