>Don't draw them wearing loincloths. That's offensive.>Because it makes them look inferior.>Loincloths, honor culture, and might-makes-right are objectively inferior to sweater vests, rainbow flags, and democracy, obviously.>When I see an orc that doesn't share my 21st century urban white culture, it makes me think less of them, and that makes me uncomfortable.>So just draw them like this from now on, ok?
>>98574929kek>these old depictions of orcs are so racist!>i think what we need is for orcs to be… whiter
>>98574929okay, but we also need to change their names to some more familiar ones, let's say--- uncle Tom.Oh white.
>>98574929the same lefty types who colonized the orcs also colonized the game itself, as Critical Role fans and similar now make up a large portion of the player base and want to play a gay tea party simulator instead of an action adventure game.
>>98576612I unironically will not play in a game setting that doesn't include at least 1 major genecide.
>>98576612it's okay when they do it because they're the Good Guys™
>>98574929"their culture isn't your costume"
DnDogshit never understood orcs.
D&Dogshit never understood anything, except how to falsely advertise and gaslight.
>>98576627Tell me about genocides in your setting>Holy Roman Empire equivalent invaded by big nomadic empire>Scorched earth and bogs them down in sieges>Breaks siege of their capital and shatters enemy army>Enemy emperor captured, mutilated, and sent home>Fleeing soldiers are hunted down by peasants and slaughtered>Holy Roman Empire equivalent declares a war if extermination on nomadic invaders>Other conquered nomadoc tribes rebel and join in the extermination as the (now unfit to rule) emperor's brothers and sons fight a civil warWas mostly successful, Mongol equivalents were wiped out in the western half of their old empire and were reduced to a few warring rump states
Nobody show this to Brennan the new critical role dm. His whole campaign is based on orcs who were “forced” by the god who created them to be warlike, but they rebelled and killed him so now they get to live like contemporary Californians like they always wanted. Lmao.
>>98577246I hate that pasty potatonigger so much it's unreal. God bless the chads who used to bully him whom he undoubtedly still thinks about 24/7 (while masturbating)
>>98577246Californians sniff they're own farts, more news at 11.>pic - propper orc
>>98574929How has this affected your last session?
>>98577246>orcs who were “forced” by the god who created them to be warlike, but they rebelled and killed himdelightfully ironic
>>98576838The Halfling genocide. I fucking hate halflings because since 3.5 they have basically been gypsies. I've even had towns hire the party to exterminate Halfling camps when they set up near said towns.
>>98577246>Everybody show this to Brennanftfy
They should be big women with huge tits that fuck men who look and sound exactly like me.
>>98576612>Critical Role fans and similar now make up a large portion of the player basedo they though? I mean people that actually play, not shitpost on the internet or make RPG themed web series.I find it very hard to believe that most people that actually sit down and play the game would reject your typical green barbarians if you included them in a game.
>>98577246That dude is so annoying. I've never even watch CR, but he keeps popping up everywhere going on some cringe pseud rant. He's like less funny David Mitchell without any of the charm.
>>98576838The Nome wars
Why do you pretend? You are upset about the changes to orcs because it removes your thinly-veiled African stand-ins that you want to slaughter with impunity.
Don't give your orcs dark skin like boars, that's incredibly racist!
>>98578547>orcs because it removes your thinly-veiled African stand-insWhat was African about orcs?
>>98578650In spite of being only 13% of the population orcs commit over 50% of all random encounters.
>>98574929You mean you don't like green latinas?
>>98578694Too religion brained.
>>98578694Only when they're goblins
>>98578547I’m just as happy to kill humans and elves. I just wish there were still different cultures instead of everyone being the same gay communist just with different color skin and hair. the only differences allowed are superficial, skin deep. it makes the world feel much less fantastical and ironically less diverse.
>>98578547Orcs have always been Mongolian you fucking tourist
Orcs were better when they were the colonizers. I love myself some proto industrialist orcs.
Tribal brown people actually exist in fantasy worlds though
>>98578547If I wanted to slaughter oogabooga nigs I would slaughter nigs, nothing is stopping me from having human tribal stand-ins. Orcs aren't africans, and I've never thought of them as africans. They're obviously german. Think about it, the whole barbarian thing, conan, guttural language, savage honor system, warlike, tribes.
>>98578750Same; kinda disappointing that the whole concept of OG Tolkien orcs essentially being industrialized warfare personified goes over peoples' heads
>>98578788Blame that on 3.0 D&D making them and half-orcs the "Barbarian" race. Some might try attributing the shift to Warcraft, but the Orcs of WC2 still have industrialized warfare elements to the point where the backstory of the Orc flying unit is shoving the Dragon Queen into a factory farm and forcing her to lay eggs.
>>98578685Top kek
>>98578773>guttural language, savage honor system, warlike, tribes.Sounds like the french to me
>>98578916French are more like elves.
>>98578938Not even slightly.Well ok, sometimes the elves are fags, but never to the level of the frogoloids.
>>98578374Is not so much about who plays and more about who pays. What's important to wotc is that they buy the new book or dnd beyond sub because is more inclined to their view.
>>98577246>a """god""" killed by little shitstain orcsmust've been a real fragile faggot god, huh?
>>98580270pretty sure his motivation was more like>look at these strong independent orcs who don’t need no godin his kind it’s probably a metaphor for slavery or something even though black people didn’t end slavery, white people did.
>>98580537in his mind*
>>98578694I don't see what Zoe has to do with this
>>98578916>>98578974No, that anon is right, orcs are precisely Germanic because they always ruin shit for everyone else, lower class anglos tend to exhibit these behaviors too. Someone would say niggers would be fitting here as well.
>>98574929I wouldn't really care, you can make your orcs as you please, but they shouldn't change the "evil" orcs that already present in established settings.
>>98574929My orcs are always subhuman Frazetta Man type fuckers with green skin who were created by an Evil Entity to be his blight upon the land. They arent human, they are animals made in mockery of man.
>>98578938>>98578916The French are frogmen
>>98574929Is the elf supposed to be an orc? Have we made so much progress that we’ve come full circle and are back where we started?
>>98578547>thinly-veiled African stand-insNobody:You know who: is this me?
>>98574929>make the orcs pure Tolkien evil>make them be at war with a nation inspired by historical African empires"but.. but they're racist stereotypes!!">"yeah, and these brave black soldiers are fighting against them"
>>98580630>always ruin shit for everyone elseAgain, the french.
>>98582028>jewish mastersOnce again, a quality of the french.https://youtu.be/9U_iBWkAB1g
>>98578750These kinds of Orcs are way more interesting than mindless murderers or Basically Just people, as they are mostly presented now. They can even be presented as "Progressive" in the material sense, dragging the frilly world of benevolent feudalism kicking and screaming into the harsh light of Pseudo-Capitalism through their colonial and industrial endeavours
Orcs are GermanGoblins are Celtic (French/Irish/Scottish)Dwarves are ScandinavianElves are JapaneseDevils are ArabsDemons are AfricanFey are gayDragons are JewsHumans are English
>>98574929If savage orcoids are meant to represent blacks, how do they explain the fact that I like savage orcs despite being incredibly racist?
The "Beautification" of Orcs by WotC is more bigoted than basically any of the history of Orcs. It's literally saying in order for Orcs to become "Good" they need to act and appear as close to baseline humanity as possible, up turned noses, freakish body proportions and general ugliness are implied to features that inherently make Orcs evil and unsympathetic so they are all gone now, they are merely taller, green/grey sorta-strong humans and this makes them more virtuous. Abstract, historical "racism" replaced with a deeply close minded fear of deviation
>>98578374Just eavesdrop on a D&D game at an LGS and you'll find its almost exactly like that.
>>98584837it's always the Welsh that get left out
>>98585624halflings.
>>98585626I meant that Welsh are Celtic
>>98585624The welsh are fish people
>>98576627Werewolf: the Apocalypse has several.
>>98585253>a deeply close minded fear of deviationNothing could describe progressives more accurately than this. It and projection are their two most prominent traits.
>>98577246So he's ripping off Bahzell Bahnakson poorly? Especially irritating when he probably hates David Weber.
>>98574929
>>98574929Going against the grain I firmly believe that orcs should be Not!Germanics
>>98574929>Don't draw them wearing loincloths. That's offensive.Nobody said that.
>>98580812If they didn't want the stereotypes they shouldn't have named their country after a biblical "hero" who conned his brother out of his inheritance and justified it with "He deserved to lose his inheritance because he was stupid and trusting. If God didn't want me to have it he'd have stopped it."
>>98576627Would you count it as a genocide if it's white people getting wiped out?
>>98586035>you're paraphrasing and simplifying a complex social dynamic, therefore you’re wrong and orcs really should be made whiter
>>98578547uh, yeah? who's pretending retard? slaughtering niggers is morally good.
>>98585997>oh my SCIENCE! They're actually EXACTLY the same as us! All division is arbitrary and we should stop defending ourselves against the enemy who's vastly different values are completely equivalent to ours!>but also fuck Putler
>>98580752based
>>98586035You can actually wear even less than a loincloth and wear a koteka, but that would require anyone involved to actually look up how diffetent tribal people dress.
>>98576769It's true, Tolkien tried to give some humanization to orcs instead of depicting them as the purely evil creatures that a LARPer like Gygax wanted to portray them as in making his fantasy wargame
>>98578084>propper orcyou had one job anon
>>98574929Orcs are the only cis white race in my setting
>>98585899>puckeeslop
>>98585899>puckee aka redditor pucke℮21 spamming his commission againhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1f7fyl0/artcomm_orc_by_pedro_silva/https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/tsy_l8sbr_q-AwGFvIghuw/>53 times since September 2024
>>98585997Religions and cultures are not the same and some are vastly more conducive to human flourishing (Christian and Western) than others (Islamic, African, Hispanic, LGBTQ, Communist, feminist, etc.)Western Civilization is the best, and against my better judgement, everyone's invited, but we have standards, so behave.
>>98589620Porcs suck. Only nips and weebs like them.
>>98574929>Loincloths, honor culture, and might-makes-right are objectively inferior to sweater vests, rainbow flags, and democracy, obviously.Considering every he-man honor culture has gotten BTFO by gay as fuck democracies since literally forever yes, they are objectively inferior>b-but my based chad barbarians sacking rome!Yeah, because they wanted to BE roman you dumb fuck.
>>98591535I want /pol/ to fuck off.
>>98591686>Considering every he-man honor culture has gotten BTFO by gay as fuck democraciesActing like democracies weren't trumping around as he-man honor cultures, lol.
>>98592238and yes, democracies lose too.>armenia lost to azerbaijan>multiple democratic countries were totally shat on by the nazis before they got defeated.>macedon conquered athens>The Roman Empire conquered more 'democratically' representative systems, including the roman republicit goes on
>>98585645I'lla I'lla Sheepshaggfthan motherfucker.
>>98592273athens also repeatedly lost wars to its other greek neighbors, i should add.
>>98591686that has nothing to do with the OP
>Orcs killing their gods because they're oppressed and want to go back to sucking cocks and being Californians (But I repeat myself)Broke>Orcs killing their gods because they're hateful little shits who are too bastardly to be controlled even by their own dark lordWoke and Bespoke
