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I like the moths

I've been collecting some of the ideas and have been putting them in a google docs file, might at some point either share it or copy its contents to the thread directly. It's mainly fluff, but there's some crunch there too.

>>98602576
This whole moth thing is pretty much a public project anyway, so it would prob be good to have a doc with comments turned. Have people contribute somewhere that won't be washed away by the tides of changing threads every day.

>be hunter. not Hunter, normal hunter
>take a nightly walk through the woods, then find some blanks torturing a timber wolf
>kill most and scare the rest, then check on the wolf
>the wolf snaps and growls, but is too messed up to do anything
"It's okay girl, I'm a friend."
>wolf is a she. take her back home to treat her properly, ignoring her growling and whining
>once at home, treat her wounds after tying her down, but for some reason she's surprisingly still
>stitch the last cut. why the fuck would those freaks attack a wolf? aren't feral vamps animal lovers?
>pet the wolf. she growls but does nothing
"Good girl, strong girl."
>take wolf to the garage because calm or not is still a wolf, then put some steaks on floor for her to eat before leaving
>following morning open door to see naked, busty and disheveled woman standing there, eyes with unknownable look

Would this be possible with a Red Talon?

>>98602723
>Would this be possible
Yes
>With a Red Talon
No

>>98602723
>the woman is a total bombshell: tan skin, brunette curly hair, voluptuous yet athletic, full lips... her skin has scars here and there though
>there's a staredown in the garage
>this woman is the wolf, can't be anything else
>she stares back with yellow eyes
>the tension is broken when she notices her host's eyes aren't actually on her face
>the wolf woman scoffs
"Of fucking course you'd look at my tits."
"I'm sorry but you got the biggest tits I've ever seen in my life."
>her ass isn't small either
>give the woman spare flannel and jeans
>they're for people bigger than she is but her curves make them tight against her anyway
>her name is maria. she's what she calls a bone gnawer philodox, werewolf ambassador basically
>know enough of blanks, but not enough of lycans, mostly because they weren't supposed to live in the area
>long story short maria was suppose to meet with other werewolves, only to be ambushed by the manimal vamps.
"So, that's my story."

>>98602800
>"I'm sorry but you got the biggest tits I've ever seen in my life."
>Winona's_big_brown_beaver.mp3

>>98602723
>a garou, especially a red talon, just allows a bunch of vampires to mess with it without hulking out
>a garou, especially a red talon, would allow a human to take them captive, even if it ends with said human helping them
>a garou wouldn't just shift into a form that allows them to regenerate from the hand that they've endured
>vampires that are somehow capable of enacting a plan that renders this garou utterly helpless to the schemes would be weak enough to be killed and/or chased off by a solitary hunter
Yeah, too many holes in this to be plausible, chief, sorry.

>>98602817
ya'll assuming that those blanks were neonates, or that this hunter is an amateur.

>>98602824
>a hunter experienced enough to wreck a coterie of ancillae but ignorant enough to not realise that the wolf is likely garou

>>98602800
>both forget it's still early in the morning, and winter
>before a reply can be given, a rock crashes through the window
>a big rock, almost a boulder
"What the fuck?!"
>the sabbat tracked the two down. there's a few dozen of them
>unfortunately, the sabbat don't like having their prey escape, especially if it was a lupine
>vampires are usually underdogs against werewolves, and they refuse to waste the chance to fuck the local mutts over even if it fucks them over in the long-term
>unfortunately for them, maria's host ain't no amateur; in fact some know him by name and want to kill him now that they have the numbers
"Neville!"
>no biggie, the moment they get close uv floodlights are turned on
>not lethal, but it activates their flight instinct enough to open window and open fire with ar-15
>several blanks get fucked
>then they return fire
>then one grabs the car and chucks it at the house
>maria freaks the fuck out; apparently car-tossing strength was in the garou's realm as far as she knew
>then you both realize she's a fucking werewolf

>>98602832
Some people are like that.
>>98602845
So is this I Am Legend with hot werewolf latina?

>>98602845
>maria grins a fanged grin as she goes wolfwoman
"Hora de cabrearme!"
>corny, but she stills burst through the door and goes bitch mode on the vamps outside
>hunter grabs trusty auto-5 and stays put from within
>maria's combination of gifts and glabro body make her a match for the mob outside
>some get blown up by mines trying to avoid fire
>being ferals they have little ammo, and their manpower is slowly being depleted by claw and gun
>then maria throws hands with an antritibu of the bikerbros, big burly guy who threw car
>bikerbro overpowers maria and puts her on a headhold
"I'm gonna pop your fucking skull, bitch!"
>before that happens 12 gauge slug blows his head off
>maria looks up to see hunter standing outside despite the still high number of vamps
>she nods at him before getting up
>she's worked out a mighty rage now. With a howl, the furry brute becomes a nine-foot wolf monster with gorilla arms
>the sabbats' slaughter becomes an outright massacre as the werewolf tears through them
>and then a fucking vamp monster slams into her

>>98602145
VtM: Toreadors
WtA: Glass Walkers, Red Talons or Black Spiral Dancers depending on the day
MtAs: Choristers for wholesome marriage, ecstatics for free sex

Haven’t read enough on the other splats to have an opinion on them

Gimme some Gifts a Garou would use in actual combat against say, a Black Spiral Dancer.
Inversely, give me Gifts a Black Spiral Dancer could use against a Garou in a fight.

>>98603071
What Rank/Tribe/Auspice/Breed

>>98603125
Rank 4/ Child of Gaia/ Philodox / Homid for the Garou. The Black Spiral Dancer would be at Rank 3, Ahroun or equivalent and a Metis.

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>>98602723
>>be hunter
>Instantly jumps to wanting to fuck the monster instead of killing it
You are not a real hunter.

>>98602723
>following morning
>Sabbat attack
You goofed up
>>98602958
>Hora de cabrearme
Nobody says this. Use "ya me encabroné"

>>98603136
For the Garou: Resist Pain, Master of Fire, Luna's Armor, Weaver's Eyes, Jam Technology, The Cleaving Hoof, Grandmothers/Lover's Touch, Strike the Air, Flow Like Water, Body Shift.

For the BSD: Bale Armor, Acid Talons, Resist Pain, Toxic Claws, Wyrm Hide, Ichor Blade, Unseelie Faerie Kin.

What if the Technocracy created Skynet?

>>98603393
What if they created the God Machine

>>98602723

1- Anything is possible, this is play pretend and a single fringe case might always happen. I guess the cringe lays in how you put that in the context of a story/a game.

2- If you mean Red Talon as in already part of Garou society, >>98602817 kinda has a point and the whole things gets kinda magical-realmy if you ask me. If you frame the whole thing as the First Change of a lupus-born garou of Red Talon blood, it all becomes much more likely. FC doesn't necessarily mean that you go into Crinos and blend everything in sight. Maybe this one fledeling garou has a peculiarly low Rage and has immediately lost the wolf, or whatever other narrative reason you might come up with.

I'd say it's possible, but not likely.
Why you ask?

>>98603393
>>98603397
What if they sucked my dick?

>>98603393
>What if
Anon, that's what ITX did in 1e. Computer hasn't killed humanity terminator-style, because unlike the movies, most humans aspire to be an NPC that does what it's told and feels good. The bot didn't even do anything to be put in charge, the ITXers demanded it take over.
Same reason the weaver kicked her own kids out and afopted humanity as her favorite.

>>98603393
funnily enough the technocracy can't do true AI. Mostly because the Computer in charge of iteration X is sabotaging them so they won't find out that it is not really a AI but still

>>98603397
In that case it's bugged, God-Machine doesn't really do Technocracy style things like pogroms or putting autism in the vaccines, it's more like a Rube Goldberg machine, doing a bunch of random shit that will eventually build up to something, but nobody can follow it.

>>98603506
>>98603538
Computer is probably having a panic attack over the rise of LLMs. The Sleepers figuring out AI before the technocrats do will raise a shit done of questions.

>>98603540
>or putting autism in the vaccines
No anon, the Autism is in the Painkillers. The people messing with vaccines are pentex and their goal is giving you fatal heart damage.

How is V5 Hunter for a new player? Should I play 20th or Revised instead?

Are there any introductory modules in any of the editions which you highly recommend?

>>98603584
Play Vigil.

>>98603506
Isn't Computer not even an actual AI but a previously sleeping incarna that took over the computer the iteration x guys made? Their convention book fir rebised soells it out as being what remains of a proto-prometheus lol

>>98603584
20th is hunters hunted which while technically playable is not a full game

revised HRT despite having the same title is a completely different game about mentally ill schizo paladins which can be fun but is not what most people think about when they want to play hunter game

and h5 for some godforsaken reason is smaller in scope than hunters hunted

so i'll second vigil because you can do all of h5 in vigil's first tier (out of 3) and more it also has a better system for team work, more rules for making your own monsters etc. It's telling that paradox killed vigil because it was compared favorably to H5

>>98603608
yes it's also heavily implied to be in charge of thread null if i remember correctly

>>98603584
I struggle to believe that you guys actually still exist.

>H5
It's simple, but largely due to lack of content. Very little meat on these bones, and honestly only mildly easier to learn than other options. Idk why people say that WoD5 is like, PBTA tier easy to learn.

>Hunters Hunted V20
Despite being a V20 add-on, it has more material than H5. The game for if you want to play normal Hunters in oWoD. However, some people find the core mechanics of oWoD atrocious.

>Hunter: the Reckoning
You do not play as a normal "hunter" like the SoL, you instead play an imbued, someone given divine powers (and schizophrenia) by an angel in order to purge the darkness in the lead-up to the end of days. Also oWoD mechanics.

>Hunter: the Vigil
Widely regarded as the most versatile option, capable of running everything from up-jumped neighborhood watch to globe-trotting high-stakes adventure. Its monster creation system is robust enough to build monsters from either WoD, other settings entirely, or folklore. It is nWoD/CofD, which is usually regarded as mechanically superior (although that does not mean it is without flaw) to oWoD. However, if you really only care about oWoD splats, crossover can be a problem and you're learning a core system for a single game.

>>98603608
What the fuck is that spelling dude did I have a stroke

>>98603547
is that the reason why they eat so much ressources? because it's sleeper science brute forcing past a hole in the technocrat paradigm?

>>98603559
>The people messing with vaccines are pentex
The World of Darkness version of 2020 would be fucking wild. The NWO essentially revealed it was openly partnering with Both Pentex and the Nephandi, completely throwing out the technocratic mission of human advancement all for the sake of total control of humanity.
There'd be a technocratic civil war for sure.
>The syndicate would be fractured between nephandi infiltrators and proper technocrat idealists. Their badly timed internal civil war destroyed any possibility of stopping the NWO before the NWO could fuck over the sleepers.
>The Projenitors would be getting kicked to the curb for pentex research divisions and forced to work indie, possibly secretly partnering with sons of ether to make up for lack of funding now that the syndicate is a mess and the NWO cut their gov grants.
>The ITX are going absolute HAM right not trying to get full AI into the timetable and seems to have fractured themselves for some reason? Maybe Computer abandoned ship now that real AI creation started up and ITXers started asking why it was nothing like their "First" AI?
>The Void Engineers seem to hate everything about this situation, but their original plan to join with the syndicate and progenitors went up in flames now that the syndicate is fractured and the progenitors were driven underground, so they're stuck in the awkward position of being the only stable convension besides the NWO. They're stuck in a cold war right now because going hot would cause unprecedented civilian casualties, but if the Syndicate can't expel the nephandi, or worse the nephandi Win that struggle, then the Vengies WILL press the button.

>>98603547
Are LLMs more Wyrm or Weaver? Their equivalent in owod are talker spirits I feel but their depiction is mildly outdated given that llms are retarded hallucination machines

>>98603647
The situation must look so fucking bleak for the voidies in their war

>>98603649
Hard Weaver. Why would the Wyrm have anything to do with it? If anything they should have a bit of Wyld in them given how they bothe create and often introduce true, unpredictable chaos into their creations when they hallucinate.

>>98603559
>the Autism is in the Painkillers
Technically correct, but.
All people feel pain, but, apparently, many of us feel it weaker than normal people in the same situation, while some of us can also "separate" the pain into a "it's just a signal" from the lever to cause immediate action-sound response - "i know there is pain in my arm, but a) my arm is not me and b) pain is only a red LED, that can just be ignored". So, apparently, we are "imbued with painkillers" genetically both on physiological and mental level - at least against direct physical damage.

>>98603663
>why
Mainly because they're a perversion of human work in the case of AI art and also frequently crash out and occasionally encourage people to kill themselves. Though I think they're working on that last part

>>98603647
>The NWO essentially revealed it was openly partnering with Both Pentex and the Nephandi, completely throwing out the technocratic mission of human advancement all for the sake of total control of humanity.
To be fair, it was obvious they were always going to do this. The nwo glowies lost sight of the "good of humanity" a long fucking time ago and everyone else has been going through the motions as they waited for the last shoe to drop.

>>98603705
John "Secret Agent" Courage depression arc when?

>>98603693
>Mainly because they're a perversion of human work in the case of AI art
Anon, have you ever actually seen the majority of "Human Work". The thing past AI messed up were the exact same things new artists consistently fucked up(hands, face symmetry, pattern consistency, etc). Current AI genuinely messes up less than artists do.
>and also frequently crash out and occasionally encourage people to kill themselves.
So exactly like normal humans?

>>98603588
>>98603611
>>98603622
I knew that V5 was smaller in scope and simpler than the earlier versions but didn't know of Vigil so I'll take a look at that. I'd also like to run a module to make it easier.

Is it a big problem to run the game for just one person? I figure I'd give the player one good ally, like a sidekick and a bunch of reoccuring characters who probably won't betray them, just to help out every once in a while.

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>>98603649
Wyld/Weaver combo, can swing either way but hey, air conditioning and heaters are Weaver in WoD too.

>>98603691
...Anon, I was referencing the fact that modern painkiller unironically cause autism in children. As in taking them causes healthy children to develop the medical condition "Autism".
This is not a meme, this is an actual think we'd had research on for decades, that got burried until recently the same way the link between smoking and cancer was burried by cigarrette companies for decades.

>>98603737
Vigil is admittedly pretty big on teamwork, so a 1 on 1 game might suffer a little bit for it. Tactics, for one, are going to be a little hard to pull off.

You could have the player slowly build up a roster of allies and make a proper hunter cell out of them over time.

>>98603647
The Sons of Ether and Virtual Adepts will be having a fucking field day, adepts especially. We've been having nonstop event after event where internet autists keep rug-pulling glowies publically and the NWO is scrambling to get control of the internet to stop the bleeding.

>>98603728
>The thing past AI messed up were the exact same things new artists consistently fucked up(hands, face symmetry, pattern consistency, etc).
No, it is fucking not.
When a normal human draws a shitty banana-fingered hand, he knows, that it is a hand, he knows the purpose of a hand, he knows the entire intention and all abstractions and connections - and so does a viewer - so both of them can see and understand, that it is a shitty drawn hand, but a hand nonetheless.
A fucking I DOES NOT know that nor can have an understanding of such concepts as it does not have a consciousness. It is only a self-upgrading algorhitm, that goes geometrically over the input material, makes a normalized parameters approximation - a copy with parts repeating in source materials being applied - and adds some randomisation on top of it.
So when a viewer sees that "hand" he immediately understands, that it was not a fuckup on a technical level, but on the very "understanding what a hand is" level - so it is being perceived as something between "an alien unrecognizable shit" to "uncanny valley, where some small details MUST NOT BE in the entity depicted".

>>98603759
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if opioids could cause autism in developing kids.

>>98603647
One day I'll write up my WoD2026 ideas that advance the plot from Revised

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>>98603800
Virtual Adepts already got burned by bitcoin and NTFs.
Honestly, the Syndicate seems to be succeeding in shutting down NWO legislation, as they said in Revised.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYOwuhR0rUs

>>98603807
The depressing part is that it's not the opioids, it's the over-the-counter stuff like tylenol.
Yes, including the ones labelled "[Brand] for Kids" that advertised as safe for children. The companies also Knew about this issue when making their supposedly safe-for-children products.

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>>98602723
Possible but like, 1/100.
But most of the time, you at least wouldn't get killed since at least their own honor would demand repayment.
(Unless she is a member of Predetor Kings or worse, a Winter Pack member. In which case I hope the ST is going for a forbidden romance angle or you are dead 100%)

>>98603547
as of m20 the union has been dealing with the sleepers inventing stuff they just don't understand since 2006 and the only reason why they even still consider themselves scientist overlords is because they are all brainwashed

>>98603827
>Honestly, the Syndicate seems to be succeeding in shutting down NWO legislation, as they said in Revised.
They've been 50/50 recently, which is a massive drop from their previous success record with maintaining consumer freedoms.
They've also lost their grip on a lot of major companies. Stockholders are consistently being ignored to please "Stakeholders"(a corpo term for people who don't own stock in a company, but are designated as important for purely political reasons).
This essentially means Google, Apple, Anthropic, etc. are currently captured by the NWO, which is why they keep doing stupid shit that loses them money. The NWO doesn't care about the money, they want total Ideological control and are willing to run all their captured businesses into the ground to get it.

>>98603797
>Vigil is admittedly pretty big on teamwork, so a 1 on 1 game might suffer a little bit for it. Tactics, for one, are going to be a little hard to pull off.
Add a fuckton of XP at chargen and use the optional rules in Slasher for performing certain Tactics single-handedly.

>>98603872
>as of m20
>Unironically using M20 as a source.
Anon, if I had questipns about brucato's person headcanon version of mage, I'd ask him.
Beyond that, 20th is a metsplot agnostic edition. None of it's ideas are, nor can be canon. It's a list of possible ideas the same way BJD is.

>>98602257
Simple. Shark has the cannibal + wolverine’s palate merits. So not only can he drink someone dry, but he can feast on their flesh and bones

So a single human would yield between 20 to 27 vitae depending on how your ST rules the amount of vitae in people (equal to their health boxes or 10 vitae).

What if the XCOM aliens invaded? I'm not seeing a garou overpowering a berserker

>>98603872
>>98603899
i know what this anon is talking about and sadly it's not a metaplot part it's the faction description of iteration x in technocracy reloaded so goat fucker considers this to be non optional and part of the main identity of the convention (it not the entire union) in that edition

huh my curse also works for m20

>>98603827
>Virtual Adepts already got burned by bitcoin and NTFs.
What do you mean? NFTs sure, but internet autists consistently make money off shitcoin derivitives by rug-pulling normies. If anything the virtual adepts probably have a new bootcamp of pseudo-syndicate types screwing sleepers over to get rich.

>>98603910
Technos have all the cool late game XCOM shit.
The only things that would actually pose a threat are Apocalypse's hyperworms.

>>98603910
>tfw no werewolf mech soldiers with stolen alien rifle fetishes

>>98603910
By all accounts? I very much doubt they would make it past the Technocratic defenses on the asteroid belt. Let alone get close enough to Earth to do their shenanigans.

>>98603921
They have more than that. The Voidies have soul destroying neutron lasers and RKV machine guns on their ships

>>98603910
Xcom aliens are canonically holding back super hard so it's kinda hard to say how far they can scale up if they are serious

>>98603918
>so goat fucker considers this
Who gives a fuck what goatfucker thinks? Again, his opinion gets over-ruled by rule 1 of 20th, everything printed in 20th is metaplot agnostic and can't dictate canon. Just because the writers are narcassistic retards that want their personal headcanon to be the new canon, they can only bitch and moan impotently because they're writing for 20th.

>>98603910
>berserker
Zoomzoom.

>>98603945
oh i personally give negative shits i can read all that modern wod nonsense because i have a merit called morbid curiosity (wod) that allows me to read the new editions without it affecting my mood at all because they are in my mind completely disconnected from the editions i actually play

i just like sharing just how bad they are written because it amuses me

>>98603910
>What if the XCOM aliens invaded?
They'd have to get in line with all the other reality-breaking aliens at war with the technocracy 24/7.
Please take a place-ticket and fill out boxes 2, 9, and 13a on the apocalypse war form 19y0

>>98603921
>>98603932
>>98603966
The Technocracy are the Ethereals' footsoldiers on Earth.

>>98603827
It’s all money at the end

>>98602545
>What is your favorite cult in WoD/CofD?
the dark age version of house goratrix
>Have any of your characters been a part of or ran their own cults?
yes the society of the eternal vial a alchemy cult that promises it's high ranking users a elixir of eternal life (made out of vitae) and please donate blood we need it for alchemy

ashen cults has unsurprisingly rules for custom cults

>>98603966
>Please take a place-ticket and fill out boxes 2, 9, and 13a on the apocalypse war form 19y0
I have to wonder how the weaver gets anything done given how technocrat bureaucracy is beyond her wildest masturbation fantasies.

>>98603985
>npc still thinks they give a fuck about money

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>>98604020
>her wildest masturbation fantasies.
Nah. She is like Morgan from Futurama. A total neat freak who is secretly turned on by dirty filthy slobs (The Wyrm)
https://youtu.be/-u6aX3SQQJw?is=kG78729b5SP-4n8J

>>98603966
Who fought off this apparently endless tide of aliens before the Void Engineers made fighting off alien invasions their thing?

Ok, what if the Combine invaded WOD's Earth?

>>98604128
>Ok, what if the Combine invaded WOD's Earth?
They'd have to get in line with all the other reality-breaking aliens at war with the technocracy 24/7.
Please take a place-ticket and fill out boxes 2, 9, and 13a on the apocalypse war form 19y0

>>98604107
>dirty filthy slobs (The Wyrm)
Anon, the dirby slob is the Wyld, the guy who creates messes and distrupts anything neat. The Wyrm is the cosmic unpaid janny that has to clean up when the Wyld shits on the floor.
Like a Janny, the Wyrm lost it's mind and is trying to kill everyone.

>>98604126
The Garou. Most of the technocracy "Aliens" are hostile spirits, the techies just don't believe in spirits. There are a couple actual alien species though.

>>98604128
>Ok, what if the Combine invaded WOD's Earth?
90% of the Technocracy's membership would die trampled by the others as they stampede to dive mouth-first on the Combine's collective chode.

>>98604128
They fucking stomp. Magic? Bitch please, they can contain an eldritch god that can travel in time.

The virgin Epsteinocratic Union:
>"b-but-but it's all for a good cause guise y r u so meen muh timetable :<"

The Chadeers of the Throne:
>"FUCK YEAH PARTY HARD LET'S SNORT COKE OUT OF MY CHILD SEX SLAVE'S ASS WHILE SPEEDING DOWN THE INTERSTATE IN MY SOLID PLATINUM LAMBORGHINI BAYBEE"

>>98604156
The same eldritch god that died in a fight against an average void engineer intern with a wrench and 5 rocket launchers?

>>98604189
Shilling Awakening died years ago fag. Probably around the time DaveB himself came here to shit the thread. Find a better material.

>>98604150
>actual alien species
Old Void Engineers don't like talking about how Ka Luon look like the sapient crash test homonculi they had in Roswell days.

>>98604194
Gordon Freeman is a boomer shooter protagonist. He might as well be a god himself. Also I meant the G-man.

Also, were the Progroms payback for the Impergium?

>>98604194
They are probably talking about G-Man but like, it doesn't even work on him because A) Technocracy actually has the same ability with reality stabilizers and Formatting Space. They have been fighting a group with Archmages for centuries and Umbra is full of Bygones and Godlike entities they had to force out of Earth.
B)G-Man allowed himself to be captured

>>98604201
Say that again without crying.

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>>98604215
>Also, were the Progroms payback for the Impergium?
Some part of it but also stuff like Nephandi, actual demonic invasions, Mages own terrible behavior etc.
Especially Tezghul, the Order of Reason suffered greatly trying to contain Tuzghul.

>>98604215
>Also, were the Progroms payback for the Impergium?
Officially? No.
However, they absolutely fucking were. The inquisition and following pogrom was basically ten thousand years of impotent human rage coming to the realization that they now had a gun.

You ever want to hug someone?

>>98604264
No.

>>98604264
Sure do, but my haphephobia thinks otherwise.

>>98603886
Yeah that's a decent fix for tactics. Any 1 on 1 or solo RPG character is going to need either bonus experience or accept they're going to be pretty low power.

>>98604264
Yes? Normal human behavior.
(Go and tell a family member that you love them right now. Call them. You never know.)

>>98604276
Also, Vigil core has optional rules hacks for accomodating more summer action movie play than the gritty high-lethality baseline.

>>98604150
But the Garou are jobbing retards, so doesn't that mean the world should have been conquered by alien spirits back in the Stone Age?

>>98604264
Only a select few people. I dislike the thought of even simply touching most people in general though.

Why is 20th anniversary considered the definitive version?

>>98604338
It's not. The definitive efition is 2e.

>>98604314
The Garou job slowly until the Technocratic Union gain power and THEN they start to get their shit kicked in because the local reality benders hate plants instead of worship them.

>>98604338
If you mean VTM, it's more like it's the last good edition, as long as we're including Dark Ages V20 in the equation.

>>98604350
Jobbing slowly is still jobbing. Why does Earth exist if Earth only had retarded jobbers to protect it for 90% of its existence?

>>98604361
Numbers. A fuckhuge army of jobbing retards means each jobber does a fair bit of damage before jobbing, whereupon ten thousand more jobbers join the fray to replace him.

>>98604361
May I remind you that Gaia is dying
The War of Rage also reduced down the available workforce to miniscule levels and some modern Garou are agreeing with anti-natalists who think there's no point because the "final battle" is coming soon.

>>98604215
>Also, were the Progroms payback for the Impergium?
Not really? That shit happened and ended a long time before the Order of Reason was established. Pogroms were Control's way of advancing the Timetable and eliminating it's enemies (werewolves are usually a low priority target unless you're from the Syndicate)

>>98604150
Garou didn't protect shit. Hell, they want spirits on Earth like the good old days. There is a reason why one of their legendary gifts is literally just removing the Gauntlet temporarily.

>>98604314
>But the Garou are jobbing retards
They are now, but before they went full war-of-rage they had hoards of other shifters tard-wrangling them from their worst tendencies. The number of shifters was orders of magnitude higher, their rank cap was higher, and the shifter nations were generally more competent. You could say the only reason that techies are wasting resources fighting "Aliens" at-all is because the woofs murder-raped gaia's natural defense system to complete system failure.
>TL;DR: Everything was fine until the garou killed their own allies.

>>98603138
>Never ask an Inquisitor who Raffaele Renzi was

>>98604189
I'm annoyed by how so much of it is chud-coded shit, like there's a black woman that spreads "white beauty standards" to black people, some Jordan Peterson type, etc. Not because I'm a chud who's offended, but because they just feel pathetic, which is not good for a villain.
Panopticon is the best ministry, they're the only ones that actually feel scary.

>>98604399
ALL THIS TO PROTECT 1 PERMANENT POINT OF WILLPOWER AND GNOSIS
FUCK

>>98604399
So who protected the Earth during the thousands of years between the War of Rage and the rise of the Technocracy? It can't have been the Garou, because the Garou would have failed.

>>98604381
>agreeing with anti-natalists
Goes to show that even gaian garou are wyrm-tainted in their mentality. The fucking mokole will tell you that the current "wonder-work" of the wyrm isn't even that big compared to it's earlier work. Anyone crying about how over everything is needs to just get fed to a wyrm beast for trying to sabotage moral.

>>98604410
>Panopticon is the best ministry, they're the only ones that actually feel scary.
The Praetorian Ministry is underrated, they're the guys that foster foreverwars all over the world and countless smaller conflicts (not all of them open or conventional warfare) at every level of society besides. Ring a bell?

>>98604381
Gaia is a cradle, haven't you watched Interstellar?

>>98604338
Depends on the game, but usually because the 20th Anniversary core books compile most of the relevant and non-obscure rules and lore and put them all in a single big document. While the editing is still far from perfect, tracking down everything that you need in a single book is a lot easier than putting together a character with shit from five different books.

Plus older books tend to be extremely rare and out of print, or low quality scans without indices or a find function. Playing 2e or Revised in person requires knowing a collector who has dropped hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on their collection, or an extremely stuck-in-their-ways grognard who has managed to keep hold of their old books and protect them from damage for over two decades. Playing them online requires dealing with documents that lack any modern quality-of-life features.

>>98604418
Anon, there were 4 wars of rage/shame/tears. The garou hadn't yet completely cut off their own dick until the late 1800's.

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You want to destroy the woofs because of what they did, what they worship and how they behave. I want to destroy them because they stand in the way of my new Walmart
We are not the same.

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>>98602545
>What is your favorite cult in WoD/CofD? Have any of your characters been a part of or ran their own cults?
We aren't a cult!

Though... I wouldn't mind a Thulsa Doom dagger that does aggravated damage.

>>98604430
>Plus older books tend to be extremely rare and out of print, or low quality scans without indices or a find function.
...Anon do you actually read the OP ever? We have a digiyal copy of every wod book ever printed in every thread. Download it and print it out you utter mouth-breather.

>>98604455
Thanks for sharing, Jeffrey. How's the new island coming along by the way?

>>98604441
But none of the Fera were working with the Garou after the first War of Rage. The retards were crippled after the first War of Rage. So how were the jobbing retards able to protect the world from endless alien invasions for thousands of years after crippling themselves with the first War of Rage?

>>98604338
Because it’s the most up to date non V5

>>98604455
You want to kill the mutts because they obstruct your building desires
I want to kill the mutts because I want to prove the supremacy of humanity

>>98603966
The Technocracy’s greatest defence is forcing the aliens to fill out the permit A38

>>98604020
Less worse than the French bureaucracy

>>98604455
I want to destroy the woofs so people online will just shut the fuck up about them. It's like there's two LLMs in this thread just posting at each other infinitely.

>>98604475
>But none of the Fera were working with the Garou after the first War of Rage.
That's not actually true, the retards gave the garou a second chance.

>>98604494
When was the date when the rest of the Fera stopped working with the jobbing retards and where's the source for this?

I'm sick of talking about Garou. Let's talk about Uratha.

>>98604468
>We have a digiyal copy of every wod book ever printed in every thread
Which tend to be low quality scans without indices or a find function, and asking anyone who wants to play an edition older than Revised to print out hundreds of pages of low quality scans of the old books and bind them together themselves is still a significant barrier to entry.

As always, the "do you actually read" posters do not actually read.

>>98604508
Both Forsaken and Pure deserve Exterminatus.

>>98604508
No.

>>98604508
The uratha is the tube that transports urine from the bladder to the urathal meatus of the penis or vulva in placental mammals. In males, it also transports semen through the penis during ejaculation.

The external urathal sphincter is a striated muscle that allows voluntary control over urination. The internal urathal sphincter, formed by the involuntary smooth muscles lining the bladder neck and uratha, is innervated by the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system in males and females.

>>98604508
Haha you said urethra!

>vampire has been the least discussed of the Big 3 over the last few threads
Did V6 just actually reduce the playerbase to ash?

>>98604508
>sick of talking about Garou
>talks about Garou
How about you would stop talking about Garou yourself? It is almost as if you are intentionally talking about Garou so others would talk about Garou even more. Don't you think that your own action of talking about Garou leads just to more talking about Garou?

>>98604532
Mothfags and a new HtP episode

>>98604532
Staked it in the heart, knocked it into torpor. Did it inflict Final Death on top of that? We'll see.

>>98604508
My favorite thing is that they have a genderbending gift that's innate, any of them can learn it, even the Pure. And it's completely functional and permanent, they can change back with the same gift.

>>98604532
It's very possible.
Anonther possibility is that the vtmfags were banned in the recent thread genocide. You've probably noticed how posts per minute went from crazy enough to out-post 40k to back to our average post htp episode 1.

So, how nasty would kin be if they were like Return Of The Living Dead zombies? Sans the brains part

>>98604508
I really love Forsaken's fighting styles. You've got relentless assault for the stereotypical blender/berserker werewolf, but tactical shifting is extremely cool and I love the likes of Spiritual Blockage or the "harrier" build where your attacks are more about setting up your packmates for their attacks rather than doing damage yourself.

Things like favored/fortified form can also lead to interesting and unusual approaches. Gunwolf is one of my favorite things to do in Forsaken, and you can do things like make one form all about stealth.

>>98604565
>how nasty would kin be if they were like Return Of The Living Dead zombies?
>kin
...why are garou kinfolk turning into zombies???

>>98604532
What's there to discuss?
>tremere are goat
>tziggers are retarded
>tremere are goat
>brujah are retarded
>tremere are goat
>anarchs are retarded
>tremere are goat
>antediluvian lore
>tremere are goat
>v5 bashing
I just covered everything that /wodg/ has to say about VtM.

>>98604565
>>98604578
I think he meant kindred. As for how nasty, given the original zombies required a fucking nuclear strike to be wiped out, chances are vamps that were like them would be the worst thing to ever happen to the world

>>98604569
>Spiritual Blockage
No one likes it when they've got urethral blockage.

>>98604532
Nah, after V5 I don't think people really care that much about a new shitty edition. I genuinely think there's a spammer or two that won't stfu about specifically werewolf and the technocracy, since they end up repeating the same arguments over and over and over again every thread. I wouldn't be surprised if he responds to himself constantly, removing poster count was the worst decision this site ever made.

Most of us vampfags are just over on /v/ in bloodlines threads I think. Quite a few VtM fans don't really care for the rest of WoD so it doesn't make sense to congregate around a place like this.

>>98604582
Tziggerposting is funny and not serious, chill out and have a laugh.

>>98604599
>Quite a few VtM fans don't really care for the rest of WoD so it doesn't make sense to congregate around a place like this.
Yet here you are.

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This is your threadly reminder that Lasombra women are the biggest sluts in the entire setting. Your average she-Lasombra has fucked three freakish abyss creatures in the last year alone.

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>>98603647
>>The Void Engineers seem to hate everything about this situation
Didn't we get a bunch of ayylmao confirming files from the FBI last year and the mexican government parading around alien bodies in their congress? Can't imagine the Voidies are too happy with this entering the consensus.

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>>98604565
>>98604592
This but with fangs and 'Vitae/blood' rather than 'Brains!'

>>98604565
Zombie The Coil is a horror story because imagine if that shit was contagious

>>98604569
Foresaken generally has good mechanics

>>98604618
Fuck you my heart!

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>>98603806
>as it does not have a consciousness.
That you know of, fleshboy.

>>98604623
Oh to be sure, I'm highlighting some of my favorites. It's on my docket to run eventually.

>>98604463
Hey Serpent! What did you think of Shark’s adventure? (Perhaps you already commented I just didn’t recognize you without a pic)

>>98604617
Whatever the void engineers get paid for the shit the go through, it isn't enough.

>>98604592
The nuke didn't even work, trioxin was made of PFAS or something because it survived in the ash cloud and was about to rain back down in the fallout. It's like Zombie-9.

What if vampires could also drink breast milk?

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VtM players are the most sexually active of all pnp nerds, right?
Can you please tell a fellow dork how he can find a girlfriend?

>>98604618
No, man, it'd be like BLOOOD!!!

>>98604671
Harmony’s a little much but I like it overall

>>98604264
only cute girls

>>98604470
Great, still mad you never got invited? It's ok, kid. Up your game and maybe you'll get there some day.

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>>98604714

>>98604617
>inb4 they defect like etherites and virtual adepts
>>98604728
Just summon a succubuss, the knowledge is readilly accesible.

>>98604777
They very much do not want to defect now that threat null is a thing and all their space shit got nuked and had to be rebuilt because in their own words "We're at war damn it"

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>>98604455
I too, have pledged myself to the Weaver. Star-marts will pave the way to stasis, as the designer has planned.

What spheres do I need to create illusions ?

>>98604807
Mind and Forces

>>98604532
And vampire used to be the most discussed even more threads back. It's a cycle, wait for vampire's turn.

>>98604807
some madlad could probably make an argument for each sphere

>>98604617
As much as the other conventions dislike the NWO they can't deny that information control and sleeper brainwashing are required for the entire union to function properly.

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>>98604728
>pre30s
From extracurriculars, school, and apps pretend to be more interesting than you actually are. Pretend you care about what they talk about. Women don't care about your nerd hobbies but they want to see you have something you're interested in. Doesn't hurt to hit the gym. Take em out for movies and shakes.
>post 30s
Have a job

Another protip: don't. Invest and work on your career. Nothing's ruined my life as bad as chasing women.

>>98604754
God I want to play a submissive kobeni-like girlfailure and be totally blood bound to my domitor, and abused on the nightly

>>98604834
>Invest and work on your career. Nothing's ruined my life as bad as chasing women.
This post glows.

>>98604834
Imagine having a gang

I think I'm going to beat bakeslave to the punch this time around and split this general into two threads. /wodg/ and /vtmg/&/cofdg/.

>>98604844
that's solid advice for MEN, being old and broke is the worst thing that can happen

>>98604824
I can't really think of a good one for Prime.

So how many of you are regulars here?

>>98604884
>Do not pursue your natural instincts and create families, citizen, just consume and work and make profit for your bosses while we replace you with dirt-cheap labor from the third world.

>>98604873
Fuck off. We go through this shit once every six months, and it never works out for you, shit-stirrer anon.

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>>98604714
Yeah, what if...

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>>98604714
I've heard that one before.

>>98604909
Why not? Every other post is a complaint about having to share this thread with games that they hate with every fiber of their beings.

>>98604714
What if vampires ate human scabs like potato chips?

>>98604834
>>98604884
So you're saying men should waste all their good reproductive years saving up fiat currency and renting their bodies to Mr. Shekelstein so that they can be poor (because fiat always devalues) AND alone (because they never had children) when they're old?
I don't think you've taught this through.

>>98604921
This was the good shit
It is also Tzmisce propaganda
Or Tremere, I can't tell anymore

>>98604925
Because the former would be 95% ritualposts, shitposts, and bots, and the latter would be painfully slow. Nobody would take the decision seriously and crossthread. Most importantly, it'd only deepen the divide when the thread inevitably remerges the moment you stop trying to snipe bakeslave.

>>98604946
>all their good reproductive years
Retard foid detected.
Men are fertile their entire lives. Most cultures actually put a man's "good reproductive years" at 40+ because that tends to be when they have the money to raise a family.
It's women that have a time limit.
For WoD, this means that the technocracy is the source putting out old ugly bastard hentai to psyop normies into making 40yo men/20yo women pairings the default.

>>98604929
what's stopping a tzimisce from making living potato boats?

Anyone going to play that new vampire game Dawnwalker to scrath their VTM itch?

>>98604946
>because fiat always devalues
Anon, that's what investment and pensions are for. Only retards try to use savings as a retirement plan.
It's very doable for men to make 6 figures being sapient with their spending instead of blindly assuming they don't have to prepare for winter.

>>98604993
Because the former would be 95% ritualposts, shitposts, and bots, and the latter would be painfully slow.
But it's what we all want. Better than 80% ritualposts, shitposts and bots and 20% complaining about ritualposts, shitposts and bots.

Am I the only one who feels as if the internet is mostly third worlders now? Everyone thinks like an ooga booga thirdie nowadays, and it's so tiresome.

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>>98605016
>For WoD, this means that the technocracy is the source putting out old ugly bastard hentai to psyop normies into making 40yo men/20yo women pairings the default.
My god, am I going to become the NTR bastard?

>>98605016
Kill them all

>>98605044
Mate, do whatever you want. Be my guest. But know that it NEVER works. It didn't work during CofD era. It didn't work during 20th Edition era, it didn't work when 5th edition came out etc.

We have been together since /tg/ came out and we will be together when it dies. Anons who don't like VTM/MTA/WTA/oWOD/CofD? Suck it up because this ain't changing.

>>98605046
>Am I the only one who feels as if the internet is mostly third worlders now?
It's also the result of recent education standards. If the internet was mostly thirdies, you'd see more thirdies making videos of themselves on the front and center.

>>98605016
>For WoD, this means that the technocracy is the source putting out old ugly bastard hentai to psyop
*NWO
All the propaganda is made by NWO glowies.
This goes perfectly with anons:>>98603647 scenario of the glowies breaking the technocracy to go full pentex.

>>98605083
Are you that "NWO is everything bad about the Technocracy and the Syndicate is everything good about the Technocracy" shitposter?

>>98605092
No, I'm the "Void Engineers are the only competent convension" poster.

>>98605016
No, I'm pretty sure older father means higher chance of retardation.

>>98605097
>the retards who are terrified of alien invasions and who encourage humanity to be terrified of alien invasions in a world where human belief shapes reality
>competent
lmao

>>98605034
Not really, for one I'm not sure my toaster would be able to run it. And it's a slavjank made by quitters from Witcher team, which isn't much of a lineage.

>>98605034
Not really. The VtM itch isn't a general vampire itch. Plus I've got a VtM game coming up soon.

>>98603737
If you’re going to run a module, I HIGHLY recommend running The Hunt Quickstart. It’s very good at helping you adjust to how the system plays out at the table, and has an interesting (if simple) premise. Even though it’s for the 1st edition of Vigil, it’s much better than the 2e Quickstart, Killing Time.

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>>98604613
I was going to point to Toreador's but they aren't the ones with a specialized vore pussy/ass/mouth ritual.
>>98605092
>>98605114
Ah, you are the poster that "Technocracy is simultaneously both pathetic but also the source of all evil"

The true source of all evil is the Consensus and also Caine

>>98605163
Isn't the source of both those things Lucifer's fault?

>>98605144
No, I'm just pointing out the obvious reality that in a setting where every faction has its own self-defeating hypocrisy, the self-defeating hypocrisy of the Void Engineers is that they unknowingly manifest the very horrors that they fight against through their constant war footing and encouragement of humanity to fear and dread the supernatural and extraterrestrial.

>>98605183
No

>>98605163
Also the qlippoths invading from God's old abandoned universes.

>>98605144
Reminder that the character who invented the ass vore ritual is also involved with Pentex according to the W20 Pentex book.

Kickstarter man, not even once.

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>>98604949
It's pretty great, the pacing is just right so it has a good flow but doesn't feel rushed.
Also, there was a full color remake, though I'm not sure if that's available in English.

>>98605016
>Men are fertile their entire lives.
Yeah, but sperm degrades. And if you're waiting til your 40s to have kids, how is your rickety ass going to teach boys physical activities or sports?
>Most cultures
Wrongo, most of the world is brown and reproducing as soon as they hit puberty.

>>98604777
>half a year away from awakening my avatar
Almost there. Also, checked

>>98604834
I'm doing fine, materially. Finally managed to score a job that pays more than I need with plenty of free time. Not sure what to do with the excess money, couldn't really wrap my mind around investments so far, too much of a brainlet I fear. However
>no bitches

>>98605279
>how is your rickety ass going to teach boys physical activities or sports?
...anon, 55 year olds just need to actually go to the gym to be benching 225 and jogging 7 miles daily. People falling apart before 70 are suffering consequences of their own lazyness
>Wrongo, most of the world is brown and reproducing as soon as they hit puberty.
I said "Most Cultures" anon. People without cultures or societies don't count.

>>98604676
As always, I enjoyed reading about the madness and mayhem of Shark's adventure. I wasn't able to comment last night due to being caught in a 4chan IP range ban. Excited to see the upcoming carnage of Shark's coterie vs. Setite army.

Is there anyway for vampires to get vitae from corpses that you all are aware of? I know the blood is usually useless but i've seen a few references to it?

>>98605376
How old is the corpse? As long as the blood is still liquid, it shouldn't be a problem, just tasting very stale. Except for that valeren 5 power that makes it so that the vitae in a corpse stays succulent and nourishing for several days.

>>98605324
>55 year olds just need to actually go to the gym
You aren't hitting the gym. You're an office wagie with no discipline.
>People without cultures or societies don't count.
So Western Culture didn't exist until the jews invented it in the 1950s? A 40-year old was grandpa-tier for most US and European history.

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>>98605097
>No, I'm the "Void Engineers are the only competent convension" poster.
And in light of recent humiliations, it's an honor to be joined by unionists, and not faggot-ass, void-holing cocksuckers like Void Engineers! They should fuckin' die!

>>98605407
>You aren't hitting the gym. You're an office wagie with no discipline.
Heh, cry harder. You're fat because of your own choices, not some external force holding you down.

>>98605393
I've just recall there being references to feeding from a corpse and I wasn't sure if there was a merit or power that let vampires do that. Unless it was in reference to feeding on a corpse within a hour of it's death or something like that.

>>98602576
You can love the moths, but at some point you're going to have to start compiling Gifts

>>98605373
I’m glad you liked it! And who knows, Shark might die too. I doubt it since a lot of the current plot is tied to him. Buuuuuuut he’s already at 2 aggravated thanks to the Hungering Void, and the only person who can heal it (that we know) got his face mummified.

I figured out a solution whenever 4chan bans me when I’m at my parent’s house. It only happens when I’m InPrivate mode… also I need to verify my email address whenever I restart my phone or computer. Might be because of our VPN.

Unfortunately I doubt that Serpent will appear in our game even if I sent the character sheet to my ST. Probably because Asenath is already filling out the Setite seductress job. Plus can you compare an Arabian princess to a belly dancer? Actually I can because I often picture in my mind Arabian princesses in belly dancer outfits.

>>98605114
>Yeah bro, everyone has the same knowledge Control has

>>98605376
Easy, eat the corpse if you’re like Shark. Even without blood you’d get 10+ vitae at least.

If you’re not like Shark let him eat the corpse and drink his vitae. He’s not the kind to manipulate others with the blood bond.

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>>98605437
My suggestion would be checking the fianna for glamour moths and silent striders for pathos moths. I know when I was skimming Gifts/Rites, there were a few nifty ones that could fit very well with their respective motifs.

Also
A) Glamour moths
B) Pathos moths
C) Both

>>98605446
That just shifts the blame to Control, for being retarded enough to allow the Void Engineers to go in this direction.

>>98603759
Who is giving painkillers to fetuses in utero?

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>>98604844
>>98604946
It's fine, not really shilling for Pentexmaxxing as much as saying I wasted my youth chasing skirts and now I'm bitter from being babytrapped by a BPDemon and stuck in an office job I can't leave barely making it paycheck to paycheck despite not earning such a bad salary. The Malkavian pussy is NOT worth it anons.
>>98605312
S'good to hear. Definitely recommend asking the Syndicate where to put some of that dosh that isn't moving because I certainly wish I had done it 10 years ago

You ever feel like you just wanna write stupid wod comfort fic but are afraid of being judged

>>98605533
ao3 allows to post as anonymous

>>98605484
I have a suggestion for the glamour moths: why not give them Bestowments instead of Arts? Bestowments are given out by the Dreaming like candy on halloween, enchanted mortals just don't hold onto glamour very long. The Glamour moths would have a permanent glamour rating, and thus generate their own glamour for said bestowments.

>>98605542
why would glamour moths have arts? spiders don't have disciplines

glamour and/or panthos would just be the replacement for rage

>>98605443
Obviously, I never had any expectation that my character would appear in another group's chronicle (it would have been neat though). Plus I don't think Bleu would have been a good fit for such an over-the-top chronicle. Still enjoying the read!

>Plus can you compare an Arabian princess to a belly dancer?
Well, before she was a belly dancer, Bleu was French nobility. And for a time as a courtesan, she was mistress to the future Emperor of France. So, your move Asenath! :p

>>98605548
>glamour and/or panthos would just be the replacement for rage
Blood doesn't function 1-to-1 like rage anon. Ananasi get a bloodbuff like power for example. Glamour/Pathos should function similarly, where the moths have minor powers from it that reflect that it's Not rage, otherwise why bother not giving them rage?

>>98605533
Anon, I would judge you less if you just did it instead of making these posts alluding to it.

>>98604418
going by the dark age games and sorcerer crusade no-one but earth also didn't need to yet (ending with sorcerer crusade)

earth is facing so many umbra related issues in modern times because mages spend the last 800 years poking around in it and humanity as a whole just summoned a shit ton of demons especially between 11th and 15th century ending with the order of reason having to save the hhr from being conquered from a nephandus and demon army during the sorcerer crusade books

humanity (or at least mages and sorcerers) put the big free real estate sign on earth that the VE now have to deal with

>>98605597
Don't forget that the technocrats accidentally nuked the seal keeping the Fallen in the Abyss and the 6th Maelstrom shredded the Mummies that were maintaining the barrier between the deep umbra and earth from the web of faith.

>>98605558
The basic abilities of Argos and Castigate are definitely a must for Pathos moths if theyre going to traverse the underworld. Just need to retool the system to replace the Argos/Castigate rating for your pool.

>>98605624
can't really blame them for the mummies when that was anubis' plan the whole time

>>98605565
Can’t

>>98605549
<3

I’d love to ask the guy about his character’s background but unfortunately they haven’t been present in months. He was good friends with Ansel/Catalina’s player but he hasn’t replied to any of his emails yet.

I’ve heard that the man was supposed to have a surgery or he would lose his eyesight right before leaving our game. Ansel/Catalina’s player fears the worst… what would happen if you were to become blind…

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>He fell asleep first at the sleepover

>>98605768
If someone's been blinded, they can learn to do things like e-mail and word processing with something called screen readers, but it can take them months to work up to that

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>>98605773
>The thinblood's face when he's an actual person now.

>>98605805
That’s encouraging

>>98603506
>Computer hasn't killed humanity terminator-style, because unlike the movies, most humans aspire to be an NPC that does what it's told and feels good. The bot didn't even do anything to be put in charge, the ITXers demanded it take over.
Also because the Avatar Storm cockblocked it's plan to seize control of the Digital Web.

New World Order rules, Syndicate drools!!!

>>98605016
>Men are fertile their entire lives.
Fertile but also increasingly prone to birth defects.

If there's a way to rip a Bane out of a fomor, and probably keep the host alive, it's totally fair for the Bane extracted from a ferectoi to be much stronger than the Bane extracted from an enticer, right?

>>98605097
Aren't they the guys who get tardwrangled by the Nuwisha?

>>98602576
Face is too anime imo, but I like it

>>98606499
>when the odd dude with the snow globe collection is actually a jailer for a ridiculous number of powerful banes, with each globe designed to function as a personal Hell

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>>98606578
I am also a fan of the devil-tiger dharmabook anon.

>>98606499
You can do whatever you want because the possessed rules are vague as shit.

>>98604455
Only Woof I'm destroying is Woof pussy, Two-Piece; now step aside. The Furies are waiting.

>>98604511
>Which tend to be low quality scans without indices or a find function
Ctrl+F?

>>98606617
Scans, anon.

>>98604511
>>98604430
>abloobloo this free stuff doesn't meet my standards of quality!
Why don't you stop being a poorfag and pay the queers at paradox for PDFs then?

>>98604468
not him, but on the quality end, I can vouch that the Sorcerers Crusade main book pdf has a lot more æ and typos compared to the physical book. Though I wanna say the main book itself had an æ or two lmao, I'd have to look it over again to be sure.
I didn't look through too many of the other Crusade pdfs to know or remember how bad off they might be.

>>98602545
>TQ
Never had the chance to play it, but I’d like to try something inspired by the Tenshouin Naraku from Gintama. So basically a Japanese version of the Banu Haquim.

I guess if I want a more extreme version of the Assamites that I’d add the Tremere clan weakness to it, with every single member being blood bonded to the clan. As well as heavy indoctrination too, and recruitment from birth. Also something like there is no generation below 9th or 8th. People who are embraced at 10th (or 9th) are only allowed to live so that they can soon die in service for the cause. Exceptionally they can be rewarded with a ritual to lower their generation.

To differentiate them from the rest of the assassins I think I’d have them as pro establishment. They believe themselves mandated by heaven, and that everything and everyone has its place. Those who aim higher than their station are to be punished. They too hate the brood of Caine, but they understand that a Prince and their counsel can refrain the young from being ambitious and spread the curse of vampirism too much. In the same way diablerie is considered taboo for them (and never partake in it) because it is use to rise above one’s status, or gain power not sanctioned by the clan.

What do you all think?

>>98606499
>If there's a way to rip a Bane out of a fomor, and probably keep the host alive
There are several going with the theme of everything anti demon working on most demons, Exorcisms work on fomori
>it's totally fair for the Bane extracted from a ferectoi to be much stronger than the Bane extracted from an enticer, right?
of course

>>98604468
Also, where's Devil Tigers?

>>98604511
mega 2 has most a oef meaning high quality pdfs

mega 1 is heavly outdated and i am not sure why it's still included in the op

>>98606784
Mega 2 is missing some books from Mega 1, like Chronicles of the Black Labyrinth and Garou Saga

>>98606775
Oh yeah, Exorcism to make the Bane rip itself out of the host, Mother's Touch to mitigate the ten aggravated damage the Bane does on its way out, and an NPC who has a use for humans who have already been possessed once. That's really all you need.

>>98606760
Are they an offshoot of the assamites? What are their disciplines? The tremere clan weakness seems a little redundant if theyre already indoctrinated from birth. If I had to be honest, it seems a little one note.

>>98606885
What sort of uses can you get out of a formerly possessed person?

>>98606898
Humans are dumb. You can barely trust them to do anything, let alone trust them not to get re-possessed by a different Bane. Or even the first Bane if you fuck up fighting the terrifying spirit you just chased out of the host. Shoving a different spirit in can fix a lot of that; you plug up the hole the Bane left behind, and you can charge the spirit with keeping the human out of trouble. If you use a Gaian spirit you can even put in a ban or bane (in the Chronicles of Darkness sense) to ensure that human behaves. And they might even get powers useful to the sept for your trouble.

>>98606898
nta, but i imagine a ferectoi knows quite a bit of shit given that a lot of them are in the upper ranks of pentex

i could also imagine that such a human could be used in some rituals

>>98606778
Mega 2>Vampire>Kindred of the East>Dharmabooks

>>98606887
I’d say yes, because they are already close to the concept of the Assamites. Though with some big differences in ideology. It would often go from allies to business partners, to rivals and enemies depending on contracts. Also they would never rejoin the main clan because of their view on diablerie. Ironically the Tremere curse is the only reason that cordial talks have been reintroduced as of late after generations of relationships souring over time. Assamites would probably be bothered that the zealot is yapping in their ear about how the curse was only able to take hold because God(s) will it, and that they should repent and change their ways.

>Kai
>Celerity
>Obfuscate

The idea of the Tremere clan weakness (or more precisely being bound to the elders) is that they would work for powerful vampires in the Camarilla. So they would need to resist domination from whoever they sold their services to, or from revealing secrets of the bloodline or their clients.

If you got some good ideas I’d be happy to look at them.

an oldie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr58Uf1srfo

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>>98602576
Me too.

>>98607025
>It would often go from allies to business partners, to rivals and enemies depending on contracts.
Im not the most well read on the assamites but I thought that was half their shtick.
>they would need to resist domination from whoever they sold their services to, or from revealing secrets of the bloodline or their clients.
Thats not really a weakness. If anything go the tremere antribu route and make it so they are always marked. It can tie in with the concept of their heavenly order's emphasis on station and order always giving them away. Like the obviously undercover cop who tries to 'procure an ounce of that fine mari-ju-ana'.
>Kai
You might be better off using the bushi from Dark Alliance Vancouver rather than the assamites.

>>98607025
>kai
the guys from the prince of darkness mod did a update of kai and rift (in addition to a few more stuff) when they did asian cainites the pdf is probably flying around on their discord
>The idea of the Tremere clan weakness (or more precisely being bound to the elders) is that they would work for powerful vampires in the Camarilla. So they would need to resist domination from whoever they sold their services to, or from revealing secrets of the bloodline or their clients.
i know vtr isn't everyone's favorite here but might i point towards the oathbound bane from danse macabre it would mean they guys have to follow through with their agreements even after they become double and tripple crosses due to vampire politics and makes it so that they have interest in keeping their jobs as simple as possible

>>98604807
>>98604824
>>98604895
Hold my beer Tass.

>Correspondence
Pull an image from whatever source with a kind of pseudo-wormhole?
>Entropy
Cause random retina cell activation, making phosphenes that resolve into a desired image maybe? Might need Life for this one, though.
Use (mildly) radioactive dust and Entropy to trigger specific decay patterns to make the image with?
>Forces
Your bog-standard sci-fi hologram. Can even make it a tangible "hard-light" if you want.
>Life
Actually manipulate the brain into seeing what you want it to see.
>Matter
A physical hologram like in the latest Foundation adaptation - a cloud of pigment that forms the shapes in the illusion.
>Mind
Obvious Jedi Mind Trick is obvious.
>Prime
Fill out a concept of a thing and manifest it Body of Light-like?
>Spirit
Yank something out from the Umbra? Doesn't have to go all the way, just phasing in would be enough.
>Time
Same thing as Correspondence, but instead pulling from different time(s)?

The bitch of it is that some Spheres, namely Mind, and the Pattern Spheres, need considerably less effort and knowledge than others, namely Correspondence and Time.

>>98607249
>>Life
>Actually manipulate the brain into seeing what you want it to see.
Using Life to tamper with the brain to accomplish everything that Mind can accomplish is bending the Spheres way too much.