>ask players for character art>they all post AI slopwhy are playoids like this
Like it or not, (and I don't) AI-slop is serviceable and easy. If you really have a problem with it, buy art commissions for your player's characters, like I do.
>OP's post is made by a real artist and the character depicted is Leon BelmontThat piece in particular was used as his portrait in the Castlevania show.
>>98604047>GMoid wants playoids to commission decent art of their specific character on their dimeYou should abuse your GMoid powers to make your players give you money so you can commsion player art yourself, if you want to be a cheapskate. Otherwise accept that playoids are going for the cheapest option to get decent art of their characteroids, especially if they can't a free one on the internent in 1 minute, if their playoid attention span even lasts that long.
>pick some existing art might fit, but diverges in points A, B or C, or might not exist if your idea is too unusual>commission artcosts money, might not be worth for a character you may not play for the long term>draw it yourselfyou might not be able to do it>slop iteasy, quick, gives you exactly what you envision
>>98604047I draw mine, no matter how badly it comes out.
>>98604177Based drawGOD
>>98604177>I draw mine, no matter how badly it comes out.Dubs confirm the correct attitude. Even the shittiest hand drawn doodle will always be superior to even the best AI slop.
>>98604177based. i dont give a fuck if it's "good", i want it to be authentic to the vision
>>98604081Did placeholders stop being a thing?
>>98604174>easy, quick, gives you exactly what you envisionNever gets the hairstyles and ornaments I want right.
>>98604047because its the future or whatever , and for them it doesn't feel that different than taking a picture of google.I heard thier was actually kind of a wholesome AI slooopa comunity in this board though (I wonder what happened to them) , so maybe the AI connection is stronger.
>>98604174>easy, quick, gives you exactly what you envisionna
>>98604080Is there a point or is this just a random comment? Kinda neat fact but like, are you taking a dig at him or..?
>>98604047character art? what are you talking about?
I can't even draw good stickmen. I'm not paying for commissioned artwork for a character in a campaign that'll fall apart in a few months. Option A: google images and steal them. Option B: prompt an AI which has stolen everything ever. I see no difference.
>>98605490Yea, if you're gonna complain about AI slop you shouldn't use a piece of real art to do it.
>>98605668Most of the idiots who use ai slop trip over themselves to pretend they aren’t thieves. And it often comes out looking ugly or wrong anyways.
>>98604047What are you going to do about it faggot?
>>98605894No that anon is right, this is good enough for 99% of games and players. I prefer this to a fucking screenshot of a hero forge mini, and it's no more stolen than something snatched off pinterest.
>>98605994Nah. Looks like shit.
>>98606021Better than a still frame from the LoTR movies
>>98606033Not really.
>>98606041If your taste is that shit you have no right complaining about AI slop
>>98606057They’re equally lazy, one just allows me to mock the other player if they’ve taken the hobbits to Isengard.
>>98604047AI slop killed the worldbuilding fag
>>98604047>tfw the racial designs and cultural motifs of my setting, which were developed over the decade preceding the advent of genAI, are distinctive enough that a lot of characters just can't be promptedIt's a pretty great feeling, to be honest. And one of my players is an artist with enough free time that he just draws everyone's characters, anyway.
>>98604174>easy, quick, gives you exactly what you envisionOnly if you have the most basic bitch taste imaginable.
>>98606061>They’re equally lazyThey're quantifiably not
>>98606181You're right, taking the time to think about which Lord of the Rings character you want a frame of, which movie(s) they appear in, and which scene is going to produce the best shot takes a lot more mental effort than kowtowing to the cognitive surrender machine.
>>98606155Which is fine for a basic bitch campaign that's not going to last 4 months.
>>98604174>pick some existing art>might fit,My biggest grievance here is that it is already supposed to be something, somebody else's 'character' that might have a history you aren't aware of.
>>98606188No, skimming through a film on fast forward and randomly picking a shot of a character that vaguely looks like the one you're playing doesn't take more effort than describing your character to a beep boop, but for what it's worth it's only slightly lazier.
>>98606194Why bother with one of those to begin with?
>>98606206Usually comes out better than AI slop tho
>>98605994Her boots aren't even thigh-high and she doesn't have a necklace with the key to my chastity cage, how am I supposed to jack off to this?
>>98606219Idk, ask OP
>>98604047
>>98604047Why wouldn't they be? It's a trivial amount of tokens, vs paying an artist $100
>>98606324The people producing the image on the right were literally doing so at the behest of the people trying to force you to use AI. What utter fucking nonsense.
>>98606330Why aren’t you just doing it yourself if you don’t want to pay anyone?
>>98604174>easy, quick, gives you exactly what you envisionEh, the multibreast lora I have isn't great and struggles doing them in that regressed size each row that I like.
>>98606354>force you to use AIwhy do you hate science and progress so much? If this can be art why can't AI make art?
>>98606354Are you suggesting that the elite spent most of the last century intentionally sabotaging traditional art in anticipation of a future where AI would eventually be invented, so as to prime the populace to embrace AI a generation later?Not to say that ridiculously elaborate long-term conspiracies don't happen, but that's a real stretch.
>>98606203Who cares? Now it's your character you can make a history for. I used Griffith fanart as My character picture once. The actual stuff Griffith did didn't matter within the context of this world and nobody else read Berserk so I could get away with it.
>>98606392Even if you find that giant fountain ugly as sin, the flaws of its design and inception can be learned from. Ai art can’t be learned from by artists because it’s not meant to be a learning experience. It’s slop.
>>98606424>Implying bottles of piss can be a learning experienceYou are in full meltdown mode.
>>98606453…You’re calling an honest attempt to take your question seriously a “meltdown”. And you wonder why people never take you ai niggers seriously. You know that there already a general you should be plaguing, right?
>>98606424>Ai art can’t be learned from by artists because it’s not meant to be a learning experience.Token art for a TTRPG isn't a learning experience.
>>98606479You are not being honest at all. Before anything and everything is and can be art, including things which serve zero purpose other then to lash out or to fuel ones ego which zero effort was put into, which fair enough. Then AI art comes along and now everyone is shitter shattered over it for no good reason other then it threatens their ego. So either have standards for what art is and adhere to it, or fuck off and truly accept the "everything is art" stance.
>>98604047Cheap, easy, and it can fulfill my images well enough.I'll only pay for art if the game has gone for a while. No sense is paying for art just for a DM to quit.
>>98604047>why are playoids like thisBased, sensible, conscious of their time and money, and not terrified of technology? I don't know, why shouldn't they be like that, and why wouldn't you want them to be?
>>98606511I never said “everything was art” to begin with, you autistic fuck. Maybe direct your anger at someone other than the strawmen living in your head.
>>98604047shut up and run the game you fucking dork
>>98606523>Sure, I am defending ugly as sin "art" and implying all "art" can be learned from, but not everything is art!>You are the angry one! Also you are the one doing strawmen! All I asked for you was some sort of standard and you failed to provide even that and instead attacked my character. See, I knew you were being dishonest. No reason to continue this discussion now.
>>98606550My standard is “ai slop isn’t art”. But you’re right, no need to continue this discussion with a willfully obtuse retard.
>>98606387Train your own then, or add an artist that's known for doing multiboob like paigraph or one of the thousand furry artists that do it
>>98606479>Beginning a sentence with ellipses Opinion disregarded, you're a retarded nigger.
>>98605490Yeah it's called tearing apart the brownoid bait threadAi niggers and browns are the same
>FF14 has a free character creator for PC>toram online is free on PC and mobile to make a character in and not play the game>sims has been cracked for ages>wow exists>picrew and charat if u wanna be a zoomer>baldurs gate 3>skyrim with or without mods>fallout with or without mods>dragon ball xenoverse 1 or 2 for 1 dollar on various sites>PSO2>dragons dogma has a free character creatorIdgaf if u like how any of these particularly look they look infinitely better than some overly shiny piece of AI slop powered by data centers that steal my jack off data and drink gallons of coom to cool themselves off
>>98604047All I know is, I have exceedingly specific tastes in terms of artstyle that I often can't find out in the wild. If it's handy for it, it's handy.
>>98606810FUCKING PNG TUBER MAKRRS OR GACHA LIFE I DONT GAF ID RATHER YOUR TOKEN BE BLANK OR HAVE SOME CRINGE ASS GEN ALPHA MAKE A CHARACTER SHIT THAN SOME GODDAMN SOULESS UGLY ASS AI NONSENSE IN MY FACE FOR 4+ HOURS A WEEK
>>98606811You are fucking pathetic and I hope you die.
>>98606811You know, the funny thing is, the guy whose artstyle you're cribbing for that (Kaneko, the old SMT guy) actually went all in on AI after he left Atlus.
>>98606774Thinking the scary White man magic is going to steal your soul is more of a brownoid thing, really. Have you accused anyone of penis theft recently? Seen any toilet witches?
>>98606826What a nigger, I hope AI replaces him and he dies broke
>>98606826>(Kaneko, the old SMT guy) actually went all in on AI after he left Atlus.There are no fucking heroes
>>98604450>Even the shittiest hand drawn doodle will always be superior to even the best AI slop.Nobody really believes that. In fact even your own wording sort of admits that the doodle is shittier. Shittier is shittier.
>>98604047>Doesn't just accept a textual description of the characterNogames apple-spinlet GMoid wannabe hypocrite.
>>98604888So your "vision" is that the character is literally a bunch of scribbles walking around in an otherwise real world? That's odd.
>>98606830>No uWhat a pathetic brownoid response, god I hope your mom cries when you inevitably kill yourself>>98606845>NobodyYou are nobody, everyone who values their lives know how to appreciate human effort>>98606847>UnrelatedAI bitches are so easy to spot>>98606851My vision will always be something I have on my mind, not something everyone can look.
>>98606424>Ai art can’t be learned from by artists because it’s not meant to be a learning experienceThis makes no sense whatsoever.
>>98606854I appreciate human effort, but that doesn't make a shitty doodle less shitty or an aesthetic piece of slop less aesthetic. Like, pound-for-pound I will appreciate a human piece more, of course. But that doesn't make a scribble better than a good AI pic. I have an IQ higher than 90 so I'm not hysterical and dogmatic about this sort of thing.
>Fails to get the ironyOnly people dumber than AI feel threatened by it.
>>98606854can look at*, learn English before calling others brownoids. And if you don't care about your character being seen, why are you even here sulking about AI?
>>98606838>>98606840You're hysterical and effeminate.
>>98606879I don't use corpo models and that wasn't a spelling mistake, it was a grammar mistake, made by an ESL who is projecting his brownness onto others because he's seething.
>>98606811This looks fine, what do you use and how do you prep it to follow a specific style rather than going generic?
>>98606883I actually drew it by hand, your dumbass fuck AI could never achieve such quality
>>98606881>"Corpo models"All AI is bad, wether it feeds moloch or wether you masturbate to midgets.
>>98606892A second ago you thought it was all corporate Jewry. You are a hysterical ignoramus who is in over his head in this argument. being angry at things you don't understand makes you an NPC.
is the pro AI anon in this thread the same person or not?I can tell anti AI people by slight changes in what they specifically moan about.but for some reason I keep seeing what reads as blatant same fagging on pro AI people , inspite of the fact the position is quite popular.
>>98606905>samefags don't know how to switch their punctuation slightly
>>98606901>Nigger who unironically uses AI has the audacity to call anyone an NPCkek>>98606905He is, yeah, he sucks so much cock the only other way to feed he has is by people giving attention to his overpriced toy.
>>98606914You really lost this argument.
>>98606883It's been a bit since I only dabbled in it when I needed it, but I followed some tricks from the /slop/ general we have here.https://rentry.org/tgslopI think the model I used was Midjourney.
>>98606905You're just really low IQ, like most luddites. I wouldn't worry about it. All hail Uncle Ted.
The arttroon is so mad he's impersonating people.
>>98606926>The slop general we have hereAnother thing we should get rid of>MIDjourneySpeaking of sucking Jew cock.>>98606924Yet you keep replying, why? Oh right, you are an NPC.>>98606934Unlike AI, at least there's effort involved
>>98606941We're replying to each other, and no, even just prompting, let alone building your own models and stuff, is more effortful than samefagging. You really do just seem like a genuinely stupid person.
Is it better or worse in your opinions if a person who posts AI pics if the pic is from Gemini/Grok/Perchance or if it's something they made locally with stable diffusion checkpoints?
>>98606973you may not want to read this on an echo chamber thread such as this one but it actually doesn't matter to most people, AI is AI and all AI is bad
>>98606973The latter takes more effort and local installs aren't the ones requiring huge server farms with all the environmental impacts that come with them.
Before AI art became this fearsome challenge to the artists' identity, it was a mainstream point of argument among artists that doing art was skilled work. Against the idea that artists were just "born with it", many took much pain to explain that all art forms involve a lot of specialized training, that you get good at drawing not through natural luck but through hard work. This reaction responded to an anxiety about being seen as a legitimate field of industry, to be on an equal basis as specialized workers such as engineers, doctors, etc. - and deserve the same compensation.Since AI art came in to displace artists, the tune has suddenly completely reversed. Art is now an inherent capacity of the soul, and anyone can do it. Why use these AI image generators when "anyone can pick up a pencil and draw"? Doesn't even a bad drawing "have more Soul and Meaning" than a result generated from the recombination of other art pieces? Suddenly the notion of arts as a skill with technical components flies out of the window.Both attitudes reflect anxieties about seeing your work respected as such, while also refusing the industrial implications of art being a form of work, and subject to the same market forces as all other fields. This is an attempt to have your cake and eat it too.
Things that get pastiched through AI have already been sucked dry vampire-like. They are already ubiquitous and lifeless, you don't need to come to their defense. If something has enough cultural weight to be parodied or imitated, whether by AI, nerdy t-shirt sellers or fanartists, that usually means that this particular cultural phenomenon has escaped the category of "artist's work" and entered the domain of mass marketed meme or brand. I believe this to be equally true of fashion house logos that get bootlegged, marvel slop, and more beloved examples like the "classic ghibli style". My more personal and less marxist take on this is: pastiche of household "art styles" is fundamentally tacky whether it's done by an AI program or a "real human artist", and fandom is a disease.
>>98607144>>98607191Cool beans bro. Still looks like shit, and im still not allowing it as character art on my tables. Doodle something or find a reference like god intended
>>98607221>my tablesDon't worry, those aren't in high demand lmao
>>98604047You know, I go to pinterest, and I look for an art to use, and it's sloppa sloppa sloppa even though I tell pinterest not to show me sloppa.
>>98607221Doesn't mean much from a guy who plays 4e d&d and is into armpits
>>98604177I do too but I don't draw anime art
I find it amusing that many times people can't actually distinguish stuff made by AI, like poetry, and actually even prefers AI-written poetry to the real deal. Also, people often misidentify poetry written by a human being as if it is was written by an AI.
>>98604047>asking players for character artthere are dms who actually do this?
>>98606845>even your own wording sort of admitsHis wording does not admit this in the slightest, you illiterate retard.
>>98607144Well, basically Art having soul is something of a narrative born around the time of the Romantic movement, although it sort-off already existed in the 15th century and beforehand. The idea of the artist as an untouchable, tortured vessel for the human soul really did get its modern superpowers during the Romantic movement (late 18th to mid-19th century).This is why people didn't really praise Shakespeare as this massive artist, or are there any bios in his time. He was a playwright. Look at the word wright. He was a skilled craftsman of letters, not the modern conception of the tortured artist. He praised his craft, wit, and mastery of language, not his "tortured soul." He was celebrated as a master practitioner of his trade. Theater was also viewed as low-status trashy popular entertainment at the time.Still, other mediums did have early forms of the "artist's soul" narrative well before the 15th century. The ancient Greeks believed poets were possessed by the Muses or divine frenzy. So while "art having a soul" isn't strictly a Romantic invention, the idea that art's primary value lies in expressing an inner, transcendent human soul (rather than demonstrating skill, utility, or civic function) is very much an invention of that era.
>>98607527Note that even the muse thing. The Greek mania or "divine frenzy" mentioned by Plato wasn't actually a praise of the artist's personal soul. The artist was merely a passive, empty vessel: a channel through which a Muse or god spoke. The genius belonged to the divine entity, not the human carrying the pen or chisel.
I prefer to use Hero Forge because it allows me to change easily outfits and hairstyles, but one game all other players went for anime avatars and my HF stood out like a sore thumb, so I told a slop machine to make it look more anime.Nice thing about new models is that they can change details like hair colour and not make the whole result have this >>98605994 basic style that triggers my uncanny valley effect.
The thing is that with minimal effort slop can look passable, compare >>98606811 to >>98605994.But people use AI precisely because they don't want to make any effort.Another thing is that I haven't found any model that makes characters in the 3-7/10 attractiveness range. It's always picture perfect model face until you go overboard with the prompt and get an ugly bastard or an old hag. I have one character that's supposed to be middle aged and with a horse face and the slop gives me either Hollywood handsome or 70-year-old hobo.Conversely, I have skill issues making attractive faces in Hero Forge. :-P
Actors and actresses have often been one of the lowest rungs in society and often doubled as prostitutes for a good reason.
>>98607515Easier to make tokens for online play that way. Cause otherwise you just pull a pic you found online cause there’s more important shot to do, and the player complains that’s not what their character looks like at all despite not giving you anything to work with. Like it’s not that important in the grand scheme of things, but stuff like it being like pulling teeth to get a single jpg from someone to help them gets annoying.
>>98607562Honestly, it’s always been more about attitude than anything when it comes to actual tabletops. The couple of times someone has used ai art at my table, it was night and day. One made it clear he just couldn’t find what he wanted online and just wanted something for their character sheet, the other copped an attitude about how their ai generated glub shitto was god’s gift to art and got real pissy nobody else cared. I personally can’t use it cause nothing the machines generate ever comes close to what I want, but I understand that’s just my autism at work.
>>98605994That shit looks like something from pucklfuck, but with even less soul.
>>98607564>Easier to make tokens for online play that way.Yeah I don't think you understood the question
>>98606995Neither is image gen though. The huge server farms are because of Chinese style government surveillance on citizens as well as for military applications.
I trace instead.When caught I had someone tell me "tracing is better than using AI", which kind of surprised me because isn't the whole point of AI being bad that it steals art?
Most homebrew is absolute nonsense AI art is absolute nonsense
>>98607666this
>>98607595It's something I had grok shit out as an example token
>>98607751Do you also have slop that doesn't look like it has been shat out as an example token?
>>98607851No, I don't use AI slop, I draw things myself or buy commissions. I'll take slop over this any day of the week though.
>>98607851I don't think AI can make something that doesn't look artificial
>>98607891Sounds fishy.Post your work.
>>98607964What the hell does that even mean?
>>98604898Sloppa IS a placeholder.
>>98604174>easy, quick, gives you exactly what you envisionFunny. Whenever a player slops a token post character creation, it never looks like what they described to me the previous session.
>>98607983You don't sound like anybody that creates or pays money for art.Post your artworks, so we know you're not some larper.
>>98608007The internet isn't live action. You can't live action roleplay on the internet.
>>98608011
>>98604047It creates what they want quickly with approximate accuracy. Unless you're a skilled artist or have the disposable income to commission a skilled artist who doesn't throw schizo tantrums and stop doing their job, your options as a common person are:>trawl image repositories >go without>use sloppaNow is where you say "but anything drawn is better than-" and that's simply not true. An unskilled, talentless illustrator is not "better than nothing" any more than a person is beautiful at any size. If you cannot capture your idea and translate it you have wasted your time and possibly actually done worse than nothing because you've associated your character idea with garbage.I don't think sloppa can or should replace actual artists. But I understand why players and GMs use it in this hobby and I don't blame them for it.
>>98608011Aaah, no commissioned art, self made art, or character art at all because no games...
>>98608007>You don't sound like anybody that creates or pays money for art.And how exactly does a person who pays for art sound retard?
>>98604047Because it's either AI or a random image found in 5 min that was something kind of close. Both of these solutions are obviously bad, but I'm not going to spend hours searching for the perfect image, or $50 commissioning one that might take weeks to show up.
>>98608021>>98608034When slang isn't even correct it deserves to be corrected despite your ignorance and faggotry. LARP is an acronym meaning Live Action Role Play. It's not something that can be done on the internet. Now you know.
>>98608072You've still not posted any art, liar.
>>98608034Well, he has slop. But none, that would look good, because uhh...reasons!>>98608054Less slopologetic.
>>98608083Because I'm not the one whom you were originally talking to, I simply corrected your misuse of the term LARP. But I hope he doesn't. You seem to have an overinflated sense of self entitlement, much like a boomer.
My fundamental beef with sloppa more than "muh theft" or even its inability to consistently depict real objects (which don't get me wrong, IS a problem) is that it always has this weird, inbred style. A digital mark of the beast.
>>98608027No, the mspaint will always be more accurate to what the player actually wants.AIs have proven strictly unable to do anything of actual use, including specific characters posed in specific ways.
>>98604177Based.Sloppers are soulless
>>98608110Admission of larping accepted. Now, shoo!
>>98608123The internet isn't live action.
>>98608110Of yourse you're not the anon. You're just his convenient white knight and goal post mover.
>>98607512I find it amusing that AI fags push this, then cry over and over that people can tell their shit is AI.
>>98606409He's saying both are corpo slop pushed by suits.
>>98608126It is turn based though
>>98608129>AIfag seething that he is disliked by essentially everyone threadalways good.
>>98608135And you're turn cringt
>>98606392As someone who is really excited about the idea of AI, modern AI is absolutely garbage tier that is worse than the AI we had in the 90s.There is no redeeming quality of modern AI, it is entirely backwards and has removed any possibility of getting a general intelligence in the next century.
>>98608147It's hilarious that no matter how much money is pumped in, AI CANNOT be used for any kind of business or endeavor without that endeavor immediately sinking.Its only viable niche is robbing grandmas.
>>98606392That artwork wasn't made by a human though
At this point, only shills care to even bring up AI.
>>98604047Because actual artists will gladly take your money and then ghost you for basically ever. I'm still waiting on a character pic from February 2022 for this very reason. And AI produces something more vision then just faceclaiming a preexisting character, or using a random piece of "eh, good enough" art going randomly online. Also it costs less
>>98608185>Literally every AIfag is in permanent seethe mode about artistslol
>>98608185>Because actual artists will gladly take your money and then ghost you for basically ever.Found the very specific fetish retard
I'd take players sending me this over slop any day of the week (including stains).
>>98608119If you want to pretend either of those assertions are true, be my guest. You can't speak sense to someone who chooses a delusion out of ideological zeal.
AI is, if nothing else, useful for creating sci-fi material. I've finally got refs for a bunch of alien species for my ongoing campaign rather than having to go 'Good enough, kind of like this but more XYZ'
>>98608197>AIfag accusing others of being delusionallol, you faggots have failed in every respect compared to even 90s AI.
>>98608200And for character refs as well. Pic related is pretty solid all things considered.
>>98608200>AIs are usefullol, good joke.All they do is demonstrate you're brain damaged in some way.>>98608205Ah yes, generic man staring at camera, how could anyone want more.
>>98608094You're retarded>>98608129And that anon is right, you were replying to the wrong person retard
>>98608211>AIfag seething that he is hated by multiple peopleEvery time.
>>98608213I accept your concession
>>98608209>Ah yes, generic man staring at camera, how could anyone want more.You mean a sci-fi military officer in a pretty specific garb for my setting? I'd say it works well.What, you're now going to argue the GM saying 'This works for my table' is wrong are you?Or are you going to huff some farts about how it's soulless sloppy seconds because a real artist would've injected SOVL into it?
>>98608218>AIfag can't even think of a responselol, go on and spam now.
>>98608219I'm going to laugh at you for being brain damaged, duh.What kind of retard are you to not see that coming? lol
>>98608204Now you're arguing with a strawman. The fact of the matter is that the AI zealots are as dedicated as you, but unlike you, those guys have billionaires backing their delusions. They're not going anywhere. Your intentional refusal to see why they even exist won't make them any weaker, either.
>>98608222>Xhe says while spamming AIfag
>>98608229>AIfag doesn't even know what a strawman isyou can't make this shit up, it's too good.>>98608232>AIfag too embarrassed to try concessions againlol
>>98608233>caught being wrong multiple times>Doubles downI accept your concession
>>98608227>I'm going to laugh at you for being braindamaged and retardedWell, I wonder what that makes you given you've just been outwitted by a braindamaged retard.The image I posted wasn't AI, but one of the unedited refshttps://www.deviantart.com/kimsihyun/art/Captain-495194724Nov 18 2014If anyone else needs more proof that Anti-AIiggers aren't engaging their brains, let alone in honest critique, feel free to screencap this and report it going forward from here until the end of time.This isn't an honest discussion where they actually believe what they're saying.They're just trying to find a combination of magic words they think will work against you.
>>98608247>AI fag too dumb to think of a response againlol, these people are truly braindead.
>>98608252>AIfag can't even read well enough to note there was no accusation of whether the image was an AIlol, you guys just keep walking into these.Maybe one day you'll learn to read without assistance, eh?
>>98608252>Nov 18 2014
>>98608263>TWO AIfags can't readfuck, man, these guys are retarded.
You fools are being baited. Please use some of that greymeat you got.
>>98608254>Coping this hardI responded to you tranny, exactly as you requested
>>98604047Oh I'm sorry, let me just google anime boy instead.
>>98608271>AIfag literally doesn't know what "requested" meansholy shit, lol
>>98608275DO NOT REDEEM SAAR
>>98608276WHy does this look like it was made by indians?Can't you spring for a png?
>>98608273Just play a Ciel Phantomhive and be done with it. We all know you want to. We all know you based your character on him. Just use his picture. It's fine.
>>98608271NTA and I have no idea who's flaming about whom anymore, but I appreciate the booba.Got anymore of that? Looks quite awesome.
>>98608276>repost this>don't tell anon I'm a sikh
>>98608300I don't like this poster. Someone better have been fired for this debacle.
For gamers in particular, AI fills a niche actual artists have difficulty competing in. It's not even a desirable niche.The images people use for a character in an RPG are usually:>compositionally boring >needed within 24 to 48 hours>valued by the user at less than 50 dollarsThis isn't universal, but I've been in the hobby long enough to confidently say it describes most players. Now, an artist would point out that these are unreasonable and undesirable conditions and refuse to cater to them. And they're not really wrong, either. Until the last few years, this means most players just>use references from celebrities, art posted onlineOr>draw a scribble Both have their weaknesses. Digging through the trash heap images for something approximately right is time consuming and rarely actually works perfectly. As much as you politically correct types will claim bad art is better than no art, something that looks nothing like what the player sees in their mind is not satisfying for the player and not useful for the GM or the other players. It is also embarrassing to them, often. The idea that art has inherent value is a false canard.Into this gap steps AI. It's free. It's quick. It will humor very specific details. The time you spend doomscrolling gis, deviantart, pinterest, artstation, Twitter, troonsky, etc. is instead spent tweaking. Are these images art? No! But they fulfill a very specific demand niche. And so you're seeing more and more people do it. I expect this will become more common as models improve in their ability to obey instructions and eliminate hallucinations. I wouldn't expect actual artists to be splattered expect graphic designers who do UI mockups and logos, or the ones who do globohomo clipart. That's sad I guess, but no one cared when Bubba Joe's mill job got sent to India, and no one will care when the dude designing the Liberty Mutual logo is replaced with a clanker, either. Tough old world.
>>98608292Nah it was just a one off for a player token, game only lasted 9 sessions.
>>98608320Leave it to AIfags to take three paragraphs to say >I'm retarded
>Goes from 'It's bad because it's AI art, all AI art is dogshit, anyone who uses it doesn't have a brain' to 'Uh, actually I never said it was AI art, I just said it was bad, please don't bully me for not even checking before going off on one ;_;' after being punkedI guess reverse image search is another one of those devil tools only retards know how to use, eh buddy?
>>98608320it's really hilarious how these people always have a bone to pick with artists.
Did you know that the Mortal Kombat theme is based off of a Nordic religious song?It's a Finnish Hymn.
>>98608331You may want to improve your literacy.
>>98608330>too dumb to read what was posted, must resort to barking at shadows like a doglol, AIfags never learn.
>>98608336Don't respond to trolls
>>98608336nou, fag.you tipped your hand with the last paragraph.
>>98608342>Stop being mean to me, that's TROLLINGThin skins on these AIfags.
>>98608374>>98608368ah, not getting enough attention with your previous posts, eh?
>>98608300If memory serves, the actress of blue alien was getting cucked right there during movie production.
>>98608377Probably, AIfags tend to be desperate for attention.
>>98608387I can give you one more attention, but then you're on your own for filling the thread up.Unless you have something funny in there.
>>98608344Oh no, I don't hate them. I don't hate Bubba Joe, either. I draw that comparison on purpose because both do a (valuable) job that no one romanticized and no one will care enough to try to save. You don't have to believe me, go ask graphic designers trying to fight corpos to hire them and not chatGPT. In some cases the human wins because AI is not nearly as cost efficient as its cultists pretend, but low end artist jobs like that are ones AI actually *can* do. If the last 100 years shows anything, any job that can be replaced with a machine or a cheaper laborer will be. I don't think that's going to change now that it's coming for artists in a new way.
>>98608420>N-nuh uhlol, keep backpeddlin'
>>98608342I probably should've listened to you.
>>98608435If you're going to go off about artists unprompted, you make things real obvious.
>>98608435¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Having been thoroughly pantsed in front of the entire class, the Anti-AI 'Intellectual' is now reduced to spamming to try and avoid people noticing on the front page and coming to laugh at him.
>>98608456>So terrified of being made fun of he has decided to stop responding, but still has to try to make a response anyway to save his anonymous facelol, the contortions you people go through.
>>98604047Cuz it's free and no, your gay stick figure isn't good enough.
>>98608463It's doubly funny because he's STILL seething about his gotcha not actually working because he failed to actually read.
>>98608466It obviously is good enough, after all, you've settled for even lower quality images.
>>98608192Not even. I just wanted a reference sheet for my elf divine soul sorcerer.
>>98604047>ask for character art>they give you character art>no not like thiswhy not be more specific in your demands next time?
>>98608500>>98608495>>98608492Man, you've really got only the most basic of edgy material, huh?
>>98604047The question you actually seem to be asking is: "how do I make them stop?"There are three ways:1.) Exercise your authority to force them to stop ("do not use AI art or you can't play").2.) Search for players who already agree with your dislike for AI images.3.) Solve the problem your players are solving with AI in a better way.
>>98604174If it gives you exactly what you think you envision you probably have an extremely low resolution animation tbqh
>>98608121CuteThe whole point of playing pretend with your friends is to communicate as humans, involving the unholy machine is spiritually the same as looking at your phone the whole time at the table or otherwise being a golem and not a man.
>>98608601Okay, interesting religion, but that doesn't really answer OP.
>>98608601ttrpgs are not a visual medium, you shouldn't need any pictures at all
>>98604047You get slop or penis drawings. Best I can do.
>>98608619And yet, going back to the 70s, TTRPGs are a visual medium and those that skipped on art were and indeed still are mocked for it.
>>98608627Are penis drawing drawings of a penis or drawing made by penis?
>>98608640Drawing of a penis, made by a penis. Like creates like. The pen is held via urethral sounding.
>>98608647How very avant-garde, I'm sure Salvador Dali would approve.
>>98608619Not wrong, which is why pictures that corrupt the imagination are worse than no pictures. AI imagery is not good because of how imagination works. Until you see or create a concrete image, the image in your mind is flexible and not fully defined unless you spend a good amount of time rotating it in your head, and even then it remains malleable until manifested in some way. Once you generate an image you corrupt that nascent image, it becomes solidified by an outside force, where as creating it yourself is the natural process of maturation into a complete form for the imaginary image.If you're retarded and disagree because you're the kind of sweatpants person that watches short form video all day or whatever and lacks any introspection, I dont care, this message is for knowers.
>>98608619kind of and kind of not. the books do use art to communicate the setting and feel through art. to try to bring every player onto the same baseline
>>98606387A man of culture.
>>98608637Yeah, it's great at padding page count and pandering to wankers (or whatever gooners used to be called back then), which helps with sales, but adds nothing to objective quality of a game.
>>98608661If creating a thing corrupts the idea of a thing, then commissioning an artist or having a character art folder is no better than straight sloppin it.
>>98604174Or you're like me, go find a Fire Emblem character maker and go ham with it..
>>98608680It has a similar effect, and creating it is by far the best, but commissioning is direct communication with another imagination, and character art is adoption from another imagination, which are both superior to direction corruption of your imagination
>>98608678I don't know many RPG people who masturbate to city maps or pictures of beholders or the soijak door from Tomb of Horrors.Did know a guy who stuck his dick in its mouth though.
>>98604047>>98604174>might fit, but diverges in points A, B or CIt's a bit of a shame. Understandable that players want an accurate pic of their character.But there is a magic in friction and limitation. Including not getting exactly what you want. There was a character whose pic had some elements that didn't fit, so I added some backstory to explain them, and that character would turn into one of my favorites.
Watching those who don't believe in anything, attempting to appeal to those who believe in something using their own language is so aggressively painful.You can scream soul as much as you like, but the problem is you don't fucking believe in one to begin with so why would I or anyone else listen to you? You smug, cringelord fuckers have taken every chance in the past when it suited you to smuckle about how everyone is just a meat computer riding a giant rock tghrough space.But the picosecond you're inconvenienced by something, oh, suddenly we're all the emetheral children of the Mumischerheiligergeist and us refusing to shuck you $2m annually to draw cocks in your own shit on canvas.You deserve the suffering you endure, not because all suffering is sacred and noble, but because the rest of us are watching Lucifer during his fall and going 'Lol, warned him about his ego'
>>98608695Thats a really important point. Friction points are often the main place where creativity happens in reality.
>>98608690I'll allow human imagination is superior to computer simulation. That still doesn't solve the cost or time problems, which are the ones you need to solve if you want people to stop sloppin on their own rather than forcing them.
>>98608699Trying to figure out what you're saying here because it's weird and idiosyncratic, you believe the people who are anti AI are nihilistic basedence types just larping?
>>98608709I dont particularly care if individuals make bad choices that are bad for them. People eat fast food every day, that will never stop. But lets not deceive ourselves that it's a good or even neutral thing, or that it's polite to do the equivalent in social activities. Taking the easy way is one thing in day to day necessities, but in an optional social hobby, it's gatekeeping worthy.
>>98608730I'm saying most anti-AI people are unrelenting materialists who have spent quite a lot of time smugly telling others the changes brought on by technology on their lifestyles are things they should just live with.The 'Learn to code' types.And any attempt to hoot, rave and kvetch about how AI art is soulless is just them trying to save their own livelihoods using words they think will influence people they never (and will never) extended an inch of consideration towards.If AI were fucking over, I don't know, wood carvers or something, in the exact same way they claim it fucks them over, they'd give not a single tug of their cocks over it.
>>98608763I don't disagree. Still, I dread the day AI becomes cost efficient enough to do to art what compushit graphics have done to animation and special effects.
>>98608699>Mumischerheiligergeistwhat is that even supposed to mean
>>98608802I think it's the safeword anon is supposed to yell out when he's getting pegged too hard at the Foltersexkirker
>>98608800Oh don't get me wrong, there's going to be some drawbacks, dogshit and dubious fuckery to AI.But at the end of the day we've all got to live with new technology as it comes.The only people who spend all their effort trying to put the toothpaste back in the bottle are Luddites.And their modern equivalent who, ironically enough, also tend to be men in dresses.
>>98608763You've gotten two different types of people in your head mixed up and combined into one
>>98608763I dont think that's close to true outside of the nigger-cattle world of redditors who just repeat the opinions they're told to where ai-bad is popular, and they're the people who use the arguments of water usage, plagiarism, and energy efficiency because the only language they understand is materialism.In fact though, such people are vaguely spiritually aware, and are just the "mass" who can only express their half formed world view in language they're given. They have a vague intuitive understanding of the obvious spiritual evil at play. Trying to meaningfully critique their world view logically is a fools errand since it's all external language that only gets a surface level vibe check, so going "hehe - but before you said..." to that type of person is only good for le epic reaction video one liners, and little else. Basically, they're women.The actual, ideologically considered materialists are massive AI boosters who are the kind of dudes who read Less Wrong and think this is all the coming of their material god of Reason and Logic. The other big pro ai group just being ideologically vapid materialists, like boomers and gooners who don't have a single thought in their heads other than want and spite, but perhaps think they're "spiritual" because the consider themselves Christians despite just being therapeutic moralistic deists or spiteful gooners who larp as a catholics or orthodox despite having nothing but a longing for tradition and meaning. I have yet to meet a single spiritually oriented person who doesn't instantly express skepticism at best towards AI unless they're a whacky low IQ UFO type nigga who are just the Less Wrong types with a layer of retard paint.
>>98608841I’m just sick of seeing the slop flooding the internet and the retards that act like it’s somehow a win against artists that are usually paid like shit anyways. Where do I fall under the Luddite umbrella?
>>98608730He's one of those people that believe everyone they don't like is one big monolith. And any differences inside that monolith is just hypocrisy or schizophrenia.
>>98608826The thing that scares me is that we lose the ability to do superior things that require a great deal of human skill when inferior things are cheap. Nowhere is this more obvious than in animation. Once the people who master and teach those skills die out, those skills are gone and must needs be rediscovered or done without. Which leaves us in an uglier, more vapid world.
>>98608882Very true with animation. I've noticed significant decay in my own ability to program, even though I'm making much more much faster. Even seeing the process happening, it's so powerful I feel obligated to make the Faustian bargain. It's very easy to imagine a future where no one knows how to draw, no one knows how to code, ect, because the 80% ok version ai shits out is good enough to never bother learning.I think we also have so much more powerful distractions than before. People used to learn skills for fun, sometimes obsessively. How many people devote hours to their passions now instead of vegetating watching videos? We're attacking quality and craft from all angles.
>>98608925The funny thing is, we anticipated this problem in fiction, whether it's the Eloi in The Time Machine or something as downstream as one of the AI starts in Stellaris.
>>98608738Jessie what the fuck are you talking about
>>98609074Ask chat gpt to simplify it for you
>>98609074He's saying he's not interested in the OP's issue, rather in the trend/problem AI represents as a "replacement" for human creative endeavors in general.
posting in a schizo threadi don't mind ai generally because it's a quick and easy approximation of what a player wants to represent their character asyou could also just make your dudes in oblivion, which is what I've been doing recentlyit doesn't matter thoughthe point is to have fun
>>98609087NTA but I think it's particularly pernicious because of how individual use cases are so innocuous. It's just gunning a fantasy character for a game that will, on average, last 3-5 sessions. It's just responding to email from a department that only exists to clog your inbox. It's just cheating on homework that is only busy work in the first place. Little by little you eliminate the part of you that exercises creative will in pursuit of convenience in petty circumstances. It's not inconceivable that the more you slack, the more vestigial your creative ability becomes, the less you use it because you're incompetent at it. Leaving you only with brute animal immediacy. Shitting, eating, fucking, fighting. And even this can be easy-streeted away with fent, lol.
>>98609086You used a >food analogy that's sign enough that your your nonsensical ramblings are simple enough, just incoherent.
>>98609177I don't agree that anything which evokes feeling is art in the first place. I don't think things like Tree are art, or if they are, they're bad or even evil art (by virtue of bringing contempt to the word).
>>98609177Emotional reaction to AI art is very diluted, sure the overall sum of reaction seems strong, but that's weak reaction per piece multiplied by sheer volume being produced faster than humanly possible.Truly profound art gets it right in a single image, because brevity is wit.
>>98609196Well that's the official definition, regardless if you agree or not.
>>98608818kek
>>98609318There's no such thing. That's what you (and other postmodernists) argue is true.
>>98609409Words have definitions anon
