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>>98608099Collage theme: Psykers
>posting the m versionbased FUCKING phoneposter
Stompa bros...
>>98608127>1500 pts army>2 stompasBased
>>98608099>TQTerrain if it's not on the vote already. I don't remember seeing it the other day when I voted but I could also just be a fucking retard.
>>98608127Even at 700 points now its still much better than it was at 600 points pre-codex.
>>98608127C'mon man, it's permanently in the WAAAGH all game now.
>>98608127will this be the first edition where the stompa is somewhat playable?
>>98608127the real its ova
>>98608162>+15 +20Wait, why was 10 boys 75pts and 20 boys 160pts instead of 150?
>>98608166maybe the old version didnt get a second nob and/or special weapon
why is the incestor's transport capacity smaller than the rhino's if they've got the same space in their dumptruck?
>>98608162>10 retards in flakk armour with average melee and meme shooting are 90 points.I can only assume most of that is the boss nob. Some things never change.
>>98608174because le spec ops operating behind enemy lines truck
>>98608173But this one does?
>>98608132All the new CSM infantry is about a head bigger than the old models. Terminators are the same size as their old models. For some reason they didn't fix the scale of terminators for CSM but did for every other model (including terminators for 30k and DG terminators)
>>98608174Because the impulsor isn't an ATV.
>>98608174What the fuck is that double stubber turret attached too.
>>98608176Anon have you been living under a rock? The Boyz datasheet is extremely powerful, just look at what the old version was doing in 11th already to justify green tide going to 3dp
>>98608174The rhino has been 10 capacity because at the time it was used by everyone, including guardsmen and marines weren't that much bigger. They never updated it. with the impuslor, however, they made it to scale and as you can see the transport capacity is shown on the model by the seats with wall plugs.Also the impuslor is not just a primaris rhino, it's also half razorback.
>>98608176>average melee3 attacks at S5 AP-1 a piece is average? Assault intercessors get half of that for the same points.
>>98608174they're slightly different, if they upscale the rhino a bit to the impulsor's proportions they can justify the extra space because it's got a shorter snout and pilots cabin.
>>98608174I scream every time I see marines with stubbers.
>>98608180I hope one day we get a remake of the old ones.
>>98608191>and marines weren't that much biggerMarines have been 7+ feet tall since the early 90s. Every single vehicle is smaller than it should be for gameplay reasons.
>>98608176@Gork, is that image real?
>>98608196I like stubbers, but not like this. I think marines should be able to take stubbers and hellguns.GW tried to appeal to the burger market by getting rid of the trusty stormbolter and replacing it by a not-ma deuce.The bigger crime is what they did to assault cannons, replacing them with generic fucking miniguns.
>>98608201>early 90sGood thing the rhino was released in 88, you fucking cretin.
>>98608182>All the new CSM infantry is about a head bigger than the old models.Not all of them, some are bloated by chaos, others are as small as normal firstborn, the newer HH marines and terminators are specifically smaller than primaris too.
>>98608196See people bitch about the knee flanges and shit on primaris and not the actual problems like every primaris vehicle having 12 useless chip damage guns each. making their shooting phase last for six years.
>>98608212And the current kit is from 2002. And the 30k deimos rhino was released in 2022 for the upscaled marines and it's the exact same size. Your point?
Fucking lmao, they just deleted equatorial hordes detachment.How long did it exist? A month?
>>98608221nta but people complaining about A doesn't mean they like B.>Reee, my personal hung ups first!!!No, there is no line, you can complain at the same time as everyone else.
>>98608188The boys datasheet is extremely powerful because boss Nob's are absurd and Marines haven't gotten their T5 good boy boost yet.Against the overwhelming majority of infantry going from S4 to S5 doesn't do anything. It only affects space marines who are getting +1 Toughness next month anyway.Except marines are also getting S5 on all their S4 shit so Boy durability will go down substantially and their damage output won't change at all.We're back to the era of the 11 wound boss nob (12 now). He's just swapped out his claw for a big choppa.
>>98608220>the newer HH marines and terminators are specifically smaller than primaris too.I never said they were the size of primaris, I said they are bigger than the updated CSM terminators because for some reason those weren't made bigger than the old models so they look tiny and aren't representative of the new scale for non-primaris terminators. The new cataphractii is like a head taller than the 2019 CSM terminator. The super henchback pose every model has doesn't help either.
>>98608186One picture doesn't have the canopy with the mount attached. You leave it off if you want the option to put the gladiator sections on it for a real tank. Also imo it just looks better more open.
>>98608196You can circumcise them if you're used to that.
>>98608235>and their damage output won't change at all.Choppas went from S4 in 10th to S5 in 11th though. And lethal hits everywhere. And sustained in green tide.
>>98608235>He's just swapped out his claw for a big choppa.Keep the claw and add a kombi rokkit.
>>98608224>why is the rhino 10?>Because when it released it could fit ten>B-but some time later marine got big>Yeah, later, you mongol>B-BUT LATER KITS??Holy shit you actually are retarded, aren't you?I explained to you that the rhino could fit 10 marines originally because 10 marines could fit and they didn't update the capacity despite the updates.What do you not understand? What is your major malfunction, pal?
>>98608111some of us are lazy fat chuds who can’t be assed to go on the computer to post images. that’s just how it is.
Are the monthly points updates over? I wanna know if the ork points are gonna last until christmas.
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98608283I hate that this makes me laugh, everytime. It's just funny stupid and stupid funny.
>>98608257rhinos got updated to 12
>>98608257Anon he's baiting you.
>>98608291They made it worse, yeah
>>98608244>S4 to S5>still wounds eldar on 3's, still wounds regular humans on 3's, still wounds death guard on 5's, still wounds custodes on 5'sThe only advantage S5 has over S4 currently is against space marines (And Votann but who cares).We know, for a FACT. That space marines are getting +1 Strength and Toughness on everything in power armour except the shinlets. We can presume Terminator armour is going to T6 but thats not confirmed.Meaning S5 is going to stop being a relevant buff over what S4 was last edition. Because we'll go from wounding marines on a 4+ last edition to wounding marines on a 4+ this edition.The price of one month of orks wounding space marines on a 3+ is going to be three years of space marines wounding orks on a 4+.
>>98608301Pretending is still retarded.>implying
I count a grand total of...2 units with wargear costs>Battlewagon: Wargear Costs RemovedSo much for that bullshit of them coming back. Sigh, second edition skipped in a row then. I was kind of looking forward to coming back too.
>>98608176Nazdreg was such a letdown.
>>98608306Eh there's lots of T5 stuff out there though, it matters against that too
>>98608312>he keeps biting the naked hook and getting mad for it
just woke up from a dream where a flayed one was slowly walking up to me, presumably to flay my skin, but then I told him “those [skin wraps] look like shit.” then he looked really embarrassed and skulked away.
>>98608334You can tell they do that because they only ever wear white skin.
>>98608334>your fit ass, yo>battleshock'dkek
So what do people think about the leaked new ork codex? Is sovl back?I'm asking as a sigmarfag because 4th edition is utterly flavourless and I assume 11th edition 40k will be a decent indicator of what's to come in 5th
>>98608316That's such a tiny, irrelevant thing to avoid the game over.
>>98608306>Meaning S5 is going to stop being a relevant buff over what S4 was last edition.Point is that boyz didn't have S5 in 10th so their melee didn't get worse, it's the same against marines and better in general.
>>98608360Shit is gonna get worse because GW can't keep good rule writers from leaving.
>>98608360>leakedIt's available now broWe just got points today
>>98608253No, we don't need hidden melee anti-vehicle like we used to, and the Big Choppa profile still looks favorable into MEQ or weaker targets. Big Choppa still kills 2 marines out of a 10 man on average, PK kills 1.
>>98608360did they end times your game yet or was that all a lie?
>>98608360>Is sovl back?It's more soulful than 10th but it's not there yet. A definitive improvement.
>>98608364Are they hiring any new ones?Asking for a friend.
>>98608326Votann, Tyranids and Necrons.It matters against Votann, Tyranids and necrons, All flavours of Eldar are T3, All baseline humans are T3 and now all marines are T5 so nothings changed there.Necrons, Orks and Votann were the only T5 armies in the game and if we're honest with ourselves Votann should be T4. Tyranids I believe have more variance in the toughness of their infantry than any other army. Most factions have a default infantry statblock with 1 or 2 outliers. For most armies in the game S5 and S4 might as well be the same thing. S6 is the big infantry break point.
>>98608235>He's just swapped out his claw for a big choppa Add shootas with lethal hits against infantry to that.Add lethal hits on charge with all of those choppas to that.Add a rokkit launcha and a big shoota and a skorcha to that, and make sure you remember that those models keep their choppas.Also, the boss can keep his claw. He also gets a combi shoota now.If you can't understand why 90 points is generously low then you're retarded anon
>>986083674 rokkits per squad is a real ranged threat though.
>>98608306>still wounds eldar on 3's, still wounds regular humans on 3's,OH NO MY BASIC BITCH INFANTRY UNIT DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY DELETE KARSKIN AND ASPECT WARRIORS ON CONTACT THE INJUTICE!!!
>>98608360Everything bad about modern 40k comes directly from AoS so reach your own conclussion.
>>98608371I don't know, I just know the good ones keep leaving
>>98608382They still will delete them if they get to charge.
>>98608316Nah I don't appreciate being retroactively made a fool for having kitted out units to be cheaper, and I don't care for this awful choice ofa) Fully equip every guardsman squad so that you're resolving four different sets of attacks every time they shootb) Gimp yourself by passing up extra firepower you're still paying for
>>98608257Rhinos could never fit 10 marines in it. Vehicles have always been way too small in 40k.
Why does the 9th edition captain with relic shield look so much better than the new 11th edition one?
>>98608383AoS played better than 40k nogames.
>>98608390MEant to reply to >>98608361
>>98608363We used to get +1 strength in Waaagh, when Marines were T4. We therefore already had S5 in melee and it was more effective against them then than it will be now.
>>98608393It includes a model from an actually interesting faction, so they had to step up the quality of the marine so it wouldn't be outshadowed.
>>98608375Yea I didn't say a word about the kombi-rokkit, do as you please there.
There's too much toxic positivity among the ork player communityif someone's conversion/kitbash looks like shit people should tell them
>>98608365I legit have no idea, heard it got leaked earlier.>>98608369Whatever's going to happen will happen in 5th edition, so next summer. The leaker who broke all this news in the first place has already walked a bunch of shit back so things are looking not quite as apocalyptic. Definitely a shakeup though, but not quite end times in terms of impact. I would compare it to what happened in 40k at the end of 7th / beginning of 8th. But without primaris.>>98608370Alright, that's good to know.
>>98608393the pose is atypical, the shield is atypical, the base is atypical and the helmet is atypicalmeanwhile the new one has a generic pose, a generic helmet, a generic shield and a generic tactical rock
>>98608416that looks sick thoughbeit
>>98608416it's so retarded it wraps around to being based again
>>98608416nah
How many of you own 3d printed models?
>>98608391what if a vehicle's total transport capacity represented both getting inside the thing and advancing rapidly behind the thing?
>>98608363I didn't say boyz melee got worse, I said it was average melee. Wounding most infantry on a 3 or a 4 with AP-1 and 2~3 attacks per model is the bare minimum you want on a melee battleline. Anything less than that does not belong in melee.>>98608373>ShootasMeme guns, they've been a meme for decades and auto wounding isn't gonna change that in an edition where cover literally halves your chance to hit.>rokkit and big shootaWe had those already. New cover has made them worse than they were in 10th, the skorcha is nice tho.>The boss nobs.Are insane I agree. That's why we're back to the tried and true ork tactic of ablative boyz for the boss nob. He's just swapped his old claw out for a Big Choppa.
>3DP detachments get two dispositions nowHoly hell thank God! Now do it for all the other factions GW
>>98608386With how popular board games are on crowdfunding I'm not surprised, if you're a good writer you can just use "worked on warhammer/40" in your pitch and make actual profit on your work rather than be a wageslave for GW
>>98608410If you get the big choppa you can't use a ranged weapon.
>>98608447It's not average melee my dude. Most units don't come close to that. Not even melee marines get close to that for those points.
>>98608382>"bro you don't get it, you went from S4 to S5, BIGGER NUMBER."Because of how the S/T formula works the jump from S4 to S5 does literally nothing to most infantry in the game.>"EUGH YOU JUST WANT TO WOUND EVERYTHING ON A 2+"No I don't, S6 on a basic battleline would be fucking disgusting. I'm just saying S5 is not a massive buff over S4 anymore because the marine statline has changed again and the entire game is balanced around that statline.If you want to argue with me then argue with me and not your own schizophrenia.
>>98608099>TQElevatedTreasureSneakyVictory
>>98608470Intercessors hit 3 times at S5 in melee while actually being able to aim their guns. Not assault intercessors. Regular fucking intercessors.The sarges Chainsword hits 5 times's. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume assault intercessors will hit 4 times each with the same profile while packing a 3+.The game has changed. Everyone without a codex is gonna suffer but once your codex does arrive I promise you the statbloat is going to get silly.The boyz datasheet is the new normal.
>>98608497Ints are more than double the PPM. Boyz are probably some of the most efficient melee profiles against low T targets now.
>>98608497>Intercessors hit 3 times at S5 in melee while actually being able to aim their guns.No AP, no lethals on the charge. No special melee weapons and for the same cost intercessors get half as many attacks.
is there an issue with the pre-10th torrent in the OP? its just been on "gathering info" for a while now, didn't have this issue last weeklacl of seeders?
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98608497The worst, absolute worst part about this is there will be armies who get their codex and they will still be left behind.
>>98608199> Never realized how perky they made the booba, armour booba can carve woodExtremely based. I'm sure there's an STL out there where they've just rescaled them to match modern sisters.>>98608447Dude, that's not average melee for 90pts. Then you have the boss nob. Lethals, sustained, other strats and buffs from detachments. 90pts for Boyz is a good fucking deal and I'd take that in any other army in a heart beat.
>>98608478There is still quite a bit of t4 in the game, but yea, all it really does is keep them up to date with marine power creep. 5 is the new 4 in the T/S world. 4 is competent, and 3 is shit. It makes them a little more flexible against t9 monsters and vehicles if they're ever in a situation where they have to fight one I guess too.
I've been away for a few months. Did there happen to be news on firstborn? I saw a mention in another thread.>I even had to wait a while to post it's been that long
>>98608099>Do you have any suggestions for new collage theme options?Old Good versus New GoodPaint your favorite sculpt that has had multiple versions and pick your favorite version, whether the newest one or an older one.
>>98608515doubt it
>>98608519It's an "average melee profile" for any models supposed to be in combat in the game, but those models are usually pushing 15ppm at least. I see what he means but he's retarded.
>>98608527Genocide. Q&A this friday though.
>>98608166Because 20 boyz was a different unit than 10, anon. They very much benefitted from reaching a critical mass where more of them simply crossed a threshold where some enemies couldn't handle them, and any buffs (such as warboss +1 to hit and painboy 5+ fnp) were better applied to larger units.The codex actually changes this up a bit, where leader buffs aren't as readily available to boyz (no more fnp, leaders don't give out +1 to hit, need a support for that, and so on) and the general increase in their points means it gets harder to hit the critical mass necessary and still maintain the rest of the army. At least, that's what I assume the thinking is.
>>98608504Ints also have a D2 gun with heavy, gain plus one to hit with everything when attacking or defending an objective and have an actual armour save. They'll cope.In a white room simulation an intact squad of boys are an efficient threat, it also never happens outside of a transport assault so you'd need to add the cost of a trukk to their statline, which almost doubles their price.Boyz relied on their Toughness to keep them alive in 10th. Since Marines where S4 the infantry metagame was balanced around killing S4. This meant having 4< toughness gave you some resistance against small arms which was important because their save is ass.The boyz didn't get any tougher in 11th, tho nobs did get an extra wound. However Marines are T5 now, the new infantry metagame will revolve around killing T5, meaning in real terms boyz will be more fragile once other people get their dex.This should have been an index edition. Fuck every edition should be an index edition.
>Reading Ork points in tge MFM>all that REDIT'S BEAUTIFUL
>>98608556>Mega nobz>Different costs for 2, 3, 5, and 6 mega nobzI hate this schizo setup.
>>98608447Anon I don't think you understand what 90 points is being compared to. The Boyz datasheet used to be 80 points for 10. Let's see what changed.>melee weaponsThe choppas are relatively the same, and the nob is much better.However, all of these attacks get lethal hits when they charge, which is a massive buff.>RangedMassive buffs across the board. Previously you had sluggas, and that's it.Now, you have shootas with extra range, extra shots, lethal hits against infantry on all of your models.Additionally, you can take 3 heavy weapons (previously limited to 1).Keep in mind that to get ANY ranged beyond sluggas, you threw away your choppas.You're arguing that a datasheet that got better in every conceivable way should be either the same points or maybe even lower points. You're fundamentally retarded anon.
>>98608569What's so complicated about ppm that they refuse to bring them back? Everyone that plays the game has to know how to do basic additon and multiplication anyways.
>>98608579To me it seems like they're trying to normalize things, like having squads fit what the box has to a T. It simplifies things big time but makes it look really fucking stupid.
>>98608579Playing devil's advocate but strategems are more powerful on bigger units.This edition is very light on actions and in general there's much less incentive to go msu.
>>98608582But why would you even do that? Make the minimum size what's on the box sure, but if I get a second box and I want to use 2 models instead of 3 why the fuck should I not be able to?
>>98608586Because FUCK YOU!
>>98608584Don't see how ppm changes that.
>>98608586Who knows, it seems pretty deliberate but I can't discern why they'd want to do that given what the hobby is. I guess they're just chasing a certain kind of player or whatever.
>>98608444people would complain if the vehicle could only move as fast as the embarked unit
Ork bros i dont feel so good anymore...
>tfw going to need 32 to 40 mm bases extenders for my nobz>wasn't that long ago I was swapping out 28 mm onesThe double power klaw thing is going to be a bit of a fuckaround too, its like they are forcing us to buy a new kit
>>98608579>Everyone that plays the game has to know how to do basic additon and multiplication anyways.https://youtu.be/-d8cVMcK66U
>>98608593Spending 1cp to buff 20 9-point dudes is more value than buffing 10 9 point dudes, changing the prices based on unit size helps offset that
>>98608579Point per models gives more freedom to hobbyists and customers.You can convert one dude into a character and still field the remaining models by just discounting the points of that one dude, or you can buy second hand someone's spare 5 dudes to add to your unit for cheap.Instead now, even if by a tiny bit, people have a disadvantage if their unit is understrength and the resale value of incomplete units is destroyed.You can still get around all this with base fillers and such, but the above being the norm makes any concept of flexibility a completely alien mentality to the average modern gw customer.
>>98608600isnt it just the boss nobs that get 40s? I think Im just going to use old warbosses for it.
>>98608569It was like that in the last edition too, taking 4 meganobz cost the same as 5
>>98608604Anon that's how ppm worked already. You had a base cost for the minimum unit and models after that could have a bigger ppm cost. Say you got a tac squad for 100 points and every extra marine would be 25 points instead of 20.
>>98608606I'll have to have a look again but from seeing the new nobz models it looked it they were all on large bases, which makes sense for 3W each>using old warbossesThat's fuckin based, wish I had more AoBR warbosses for it
>>98608605>Instead now, even if by a tiny bit, people have a disadvantage if their unit is understrength and the resale value of incomplete units is destroyed.This does the opposite of incentivizing sales though.
So when does the 40k app get updated for the 11e codex for orks? I probably won't even have my code by then
so which weapons will be affected by marines getting +1T? overcharged plasma, melta, gauss, etc.? or rather: just how impactful will +1T be? and is this S/T buff a confirmation that female marines exist?
>>98608586Simplifying the product portfolio to eliminate the need for customers to procure supplementary components, partial products, or externally sourced alternatives. Each product is designed as a self-contained, fully integrated solution that consolidates all requisite functionality within a singular product unit, thereby minimizing dependency on ancillary purchases, third-party ecosystems, and fragmented procurement pathwayssomeone said some retard shit like this in a meeting and the people in charge of making choices ate it up because they're retard niggers
>>98608573NTA, but boyz actually lost some crucial things. First is the extra attack from Waaagh, which means across a whole unit you're doing 20 less attacks. Which is A LOT. Second is they no longer (afaik) have a way to access crits on 5s, which they used to be able to get, and that greatly diminishes the value of their sus/lethals. Third, they can't get a fnp any more, which is a huge deal for their survivability. The difference between just a 5++ and a 5++ plus 5+ fnp is gigantic.The datasheet doesn't just exist in a vacuum. I do think a points increase was reasonable (and feel 90 per 10 is a pretty good spot for them) but there are very legitimate reaons to claim they shouldn't have gone up, or gone up less.
>>98608623Anything that's strength 4/5 id imagine
>>98608573I'm not arguing that. I have never been arguing that.>>98608176I'm paying 9 points per model for 9 retards who die to bolters and a Nob who kills shit. Outside of a wagon or a trukk the new boyz die to bolters almost as hard as they did in 5th edition. We are back to the hidden power klaw.Free shootas is fun but you'll never roll to wound because you're always gonna be hitting on 6's. They're genuinely meme weapons.The specials are good if they hit but again, 6's. The skorcha is great tho because torrent means I get to ignore Ork ballistic skill, they're auto take on every squad and will be the second to last man to die.
We don't use that word here.
>wondered why the painboy halved in points>tfw no more fnpInto the bin it goes. We probably have access to better support characters now anyway
>>98608612PPM used to work "a Dire Avenger costs 13 points, you can have between 5 to 10 in a unit".
Are they getting rid of random attacks on torrent weapons? Most of the profiles I've seen so far have been a flat 3 attacks with blast. No idea if blast weapons have been affected
>>98608636Some units, yes. Not all. many in many editions came at either a premium for the initial models, rarely for additional models.
>>98608111Decent turnout last month lads, what are your plans for this month?
>>98608643Mmm no, it really did used to just be purely model-based
>>98608638Yeah it's all A3 + Blast 1 now, at least for Orks.
Why does 40k still have a general, anyway?>can't play newer editions because they're trash>can't play older editions because you are the newfag dregs that could never understand them>can't play specialist games for the same reason>can't play homebrew systems because no one cares about your homebrew>can't play narrative campaigns because no one cares about your homebrew>can't play to win because that's for fags>can't play for fun because that's onions cope for nogames who don't win and build shit armies >can't play with unpainted models because it's passionless>can't play with mediocre painted models because it's ugly>can't play with professionally painted models because it's manchild redditoid self-indulgence that you got from a youtuber>can't play with newer models because they're shit (primaris, woke, sanitised aesthetic)>can't play with older models because they're shit (rogue trader skub and finecast)>can't proxy because the other games and their models are gay too>can't 3D print because plastic is aids and resin gives you aids>can't not 3D print because you're supporting GW>can't third party or second hand because that's for poorfags>can't whale because that's for redditors>can't not whale because that's for poorfags>can't play any of the factions because they're all gay for tediously outlined different made up reasons by the autistic fanbase>there are no exceptions to this, if you ever thought there were>can't make up a faction because no one cares about your homebrew>can't give up on GW and play any other wargame because GW is a containment field for scum like youIs it just a huge meme? Does anyone actually play 40k anymore?
>>98608658spooked as fuck nigga
>>98608658I like posting my models and posting about my games. Sometimes I even get to talk about a faction I like.
>>98608624>Simplifying the product portfolio to eliminate the need for customers to procure supplementary components, partial products, or externally sourced alternatives.Removing PPM doesn't do that. PPM doesn't force you to get single minis, it lets you use less than what the kit provides but it doesn't let you go below the minimum.
>>98608654Kill yourself retard, I'm not going to the effort of looking up and screenshotting any of the 8 trillion codexes where they did this.
>post minis>no (you)s>post shitty bait>instant (you)sand you wonder why this board is dying
>>98608636>Tac squad - 90 points>extra models - +16You guys started with 10th and know shit.
GSC bros, is this a magus or clamavus?
>>98608658>can't play older editions because you are the newfag dregs that could never understand themdont old edition fags keep saying one of the best tings about old eds was how simple and less clunky they were compared to newer ones? isnt your statement contradictory? I didnt bother reading the rest of your post
>>98608515>>98608530He's gonna get monkey pawed so hard when they only update half the range and delete the other half from the game
What are you working on, /40kg/?>>98608669I'll save us with a WIP post
>>98608672sources on google say magus
>>98608623Sisters will be going to T4 2W, yes
>>98608586>>98608579Adding granularity doesn't necessarily make the game more fun or engaging- it just makes it harder for people to build lists and collect models intelligently.
I'm so annoyed with myself, I saw someone selling a bunch of rogue trader era gsc over a month ago and he lived about 15 minutes from my house, he had everything except the fat patriarch, now its all fucking gone fuckity fuck FUCK
>>98608638>>98608656There are some random shot torrent weapons in the codex, but they tend to be the non-flamer ones. The big walkers and I believe Ghaz has variants of it where it represents just an absolute hail of bullets, rather than an actual spray of fire or liquid.
>>98608676the aircraft is going to go away for sure.
>>98608573>Now, you have shootas with extra range, extra shots, lethal hits against infantry on all of your models.Actually I'm coming back to this because you're seriously overrating shootas.A mob of 20 boy's is gonna have 12 shootas in it, the rest is gonna be nobs and special weapons.In ideal conditions (At half range, shooting a squad of MEQ's out of cover) those 12 shoota boyz are gonna kill a single intercessor.A. Single. Intercessor.They're meme guns, have always been meme guns and always will be meme guns. The orks now no longer have to choose between their meme guns and their actual job of killing shit in melee. THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHOOTAS ARE USEFUL.
>>98608671I started with 7th, all the eldar shit at least was pure ppm like I described.
>>98608676>New Vect mini>He's on foot
how difficult are GSC for a first army? am i fucking myself over?
>>98608707yes
>>98608696a single intercessor is not a bad points return for the handful of basic guns in a melee unit.
>>98608683Ty anon, i think there might have been several models in that era but some of them are listed as "advisors">>98608707I wouldn't do it personally, they aren't particularly easy to paint and are hard to play (as a gsc player myself)
>>98608623I think it's more than just that, now it makes me wonder how many weapons and profiles will have to shift upwards to maintain what they're supposed to do. Autocannons are going to go up probably or else there's no point in taking one over a heavy bolter, etc.
>>98608694The Voidraven will stay. The razorwing is fucked tho.Orks got an entire detachment for their fliers. Marinefags just get cucked by daddy James because is a day ending in y.
>>98608707Stay away from Sisters and GSC as a first time player.
>>98608687Adding +16 points per model instead of 160 points for 10 models doesn't make lists harder to build or models to collect, quite the opposite. These are insane arguments uttered by absolutely no one for 35 years before 10th.
>>98608696Sure anon, they're meme guns that kill 1 intercessor. Now you can roll your 7 special weapons and then charge and kill the rest in melee. Previously, you would be shooting only sluggas at the intercessors, killing 0, and then charging. Or maybe you could shoot worse shootas and 1 special weapon, netting you maybe 1 model kill, and then you wouldn't charge at all.My point is that the unit is overall much better and thus the points increases are justified. Shootas are allowed to be meme guns considering Orks still have other better weapons and melee on top of that.
>>98608649What does this have to do with 40k?
I haven't been keeping up with the lore for obvious reasonsAre primaris still totally perfect and pure with none being corrupted by chaos or going renegade?
>>98608698No.
>>98608729angron blew up some psychic device that made a fleet of primaris go mad and turn to chaos
>>98608707They're a little complicated to play because mistakes are punished harshly, almost everything is made out of wet paper and they're reliant on a combined arms approach of killing opponents by a thousand cuts. But as a beginner army they're better than people give them credit for, the range is entirely modern plastic, the basic infantry and vehicle kits are absolutely stuffed with bits for kitbashing (and they're compatible with all other GW human kits, like all the necromunda gangs) and the characters all brim with personality and fun details. They aren't the best beginner faction, but I'd say they're pretty rewarding and can teach you a lot about the hobby you won't learn with something like marines.
>>98608710>>98608713aww man>>98608723literally the two armies I'd be interested in. guess I'll just go buy some fucking marines
>>98608733>NoThey're 9 pts/model and cost 90 for 10.
>6 battlelines>3 dedicated transport>3 transport of a type until all battleline are stuffed in cars>sprinkle in characters to attach to battlelines as needed for remaining pointsExplain to me why this wouldn't work.
>>98608724It does create weird list building situations and ending up with "unusable" spare models because the optimal thing to do is add like three spare bodies to the Sisters Retributor squad to give them some ablative wounds against stray fire.
>>98608744Your damage?
>>98608711Its only like, 0.3 more wounds than asaault intercessors will do with heavy bolt pistols at 9".But heavy bolt pistols are 18" range so their effecive range is equal to a shootas max range. In a max range firefight assault intercessors will genuinely do more damage than the shootas in a boyz squad.Of course boys have special weapons which flips the math further in their favor, the rokkits plus double kombi rokkit will kill another intercessor and the skorcha's plus big shoota together will kill a third. Its good shooting for a melee unit.But shootas are still a meme. Two things can be true.And of course cover massively slashes the effectiveness of Boy shooting because >BS5+
>>98608579There isn't any point to having ppm really>individual models don't matter anymore, you take units for their unit wide abilities>wargear doesn't matter anymore, most have been abstracted away>no unit upgrades anymoreUnits themselves barely exist, they are vague abstractions of stats to apply Stratagems and combos to in order to produce victory points
>>98608707Anon, picking your army isn't something you should be doing with your dick.
>>98608658because outside of generals it's even worse
>>98608744Because battleline are worthless chaff meant to get killed by tanks. Just bring all tanks and maybe 1-2 or non-tank units with a named character attached to buff them
>>98608744It would work. You would want to play an objective orientated disposition like take&hold or priority assets, or one that focuses on mobility like recon. But you could very easily field an army that is entirely in transports, and people have been doing it forever. I did it with guard+sisters as long ago as 4th edition.Just be careful since transports exploding inflict mortal wounds on the people inside.
>>98608750>firing deck 2Let me guess. You NEED more?
>>98608736At the end of the day anon choose an army you'll like the look of as you'll be spending countless hours building and painting. If you really like these armies I would suggest buying test minis off ebay, you should be able to find a spare neophyte/acolyte to try and paint, would give you a feel for how the army would be to paint. Sisters desu if you get the celestian insidiant KT that will have almost all the surfaces on other sister models (exclu. vehicles). Tbh of the two Sisters is not nearly as hard to learn as GSC, they're just a little pricier compared to other armies. Don't let anons here deter you
>>98608739Dumb frogposter. the original claim was that you pay per model. A claim which is demonstrably untrue.You pay for the minimum squad size as a lump sum and then its ppm for every additional model.
>>98608739>90 points for the base squad>+9 for each extra guardianMate. Read.
>>98608766literally what is the point then?
>>98608736>literally the two armies I'd be interested inHonestly in that case you might as well go for it, don't feel forced to play factions you aren't interested in.
>>98608758All three claims are completely wrong. And you forget the most important part: I'f I'm 10 points over I can just remove a single dude and not 3 units.
>>98608188That's because you could give them Ghaz, a 5+ fnp from the painboy, or be permanently in the waagh from the bannernob. Now none of those things are true because Ghaz runs solo and the other characters were whacked hard.
>>98608729Go read it, we aren't going to spoonfeed you.
>>98608773I never said you don't pay for minimum squad size. I said the minimum squad size corresponds with ppm, which was true at least for eldar.
>>98608736I dont know about sob but gsc are very expensive to collect, unless you plan on printing them of course
>>98608786>PPM used to work "a Dire Avenger costs 13 points, you can have between 5 to 10 in a unit".
I have not played a game of 11th yet, but how are transports/tanks so far this edition? I've been thinking if I want to do a 2nd army I would want it to be vehicle/transport based with dudes hopping in and out to shoot. Armies for this feel?
>>98608790Yes, this is indeed where I say that the minimum squad size was 5. And the price of minimum squad size was 5*13.I probably fucked up the exact numbers.
>>98608771>firing deckYeah...
>>98608798Only tried marines with land raiders so far but orks with their transport detachment looks fun. The good thing is that you're no longer locked to every singel part of your detachment only working the moment you disembark so you have way more flexibility while keeping the theme.
>>98608573>Massive buffs across the board. Previously you had sluggas, and that's it.>Now, you have shootas with extra range, extra shots, lethal hits against infantry on all of your models.Almost completely useless.>Additionally, you can take 3 heavy weapons (previously limited to 1).True>Keep in mind that to get ANY ranged beyond sluggas, you threw away your choppas.Actually false. You could take special weapons in a melee boy squad in 10th.
>>98608809>Old trukks are being charged $60+ on ebay>Armageddon Ork half keeps going up> Really like the junker look thoI don't feel good Mork...
>>98608804>And the price of minimum squad size was 5*13.Not always. And you said this in response at someone saying that you had a base cost and then a separate cost for the extra dudes that didn't have to be the same as the base. So either you're retarded and your post says nothing relevant or you're retarded and your post was wrong. Choose your poison.
>retroYou got it bossI have no idea why one is yellow
>>98608798Heavier tanks are good. Transports are in a weird place and have had points reductions to compensate, making them really poor value for money. My impulsor gets blown up or blocked off very easily, I only take it for the hazardous hellblaster shooting from firing deck. Even then the damage I save is usually lost when it explodes.
>>98608823You're an illiterate retard who misunderstood my post but you're too much of a brick to admit it so now you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Fuck off.
>>98608827>I have no idea why one is yelloHappens
>>98608778I get you bro, I really do. But it's best to be horny outside the tabletop side of things.
>>98608830>Heavier tanksThis is mostly SM/CSM and guard right?
>>98608830All in preparation to make the rhino OP and we'll be having a rhino rush edition 2.0 you love to see it
>>98608758I just want it so list building isn't miserable, if I include the units I actually want I often end up like 40 over and there is no way to fix that without completely swapping out one unit for another, possibly even multiple and playing musical chairs. It sucks.
>>98608853The rhino still doesn't solve the inherent problem of small boards and rampant advance and charge access. Transports are the new drop pods, infantry can do what they do without the big hunk of plastic.
Cell shaded minis are cool
>>98608869that's what enhancements and upgrades are for
>>98608871I just find it sad that the boards are getting smaller wholesale,
>>98608798>>98608871 I really hope that this is not the case
>>98608875It looks very tedious to do though
>tfw dont have goblin green to complete the vintage base lookIs there an accessible green paint that's close to the original by chance?
>>98608717Huh.Today I learned those are separate kits and not just two different noses on the same plane.
Okay what the fuck is this?
>>98608914Yeah I think the Voidraven is the largest plastic flyer GW ever made. It dwarfs the razorwing.
>>98608921Sure love seeing basic infantry special weapons spun off into limitless datasheets, quality game.
>>98608927I will never forgive GW for turning space msrines into eldar.
>>98608877only works if you're 40 under. When you're 20-40 over and all your units are 90-150 points, you have to fuck around.
>>98608927Literally the only unit there that applies to is the Infernus squad though, everything else is either weird chapter specialists or completely different units like bladeguard.
>>98608893probably a lot less tedious than glazing / layering
>>98608956You forgot about the shrine of the missile, the melta, the plasma, and the heavy bolter.>>98608938They also stole stubbers from the guard.
>>98608921Marine character datasheets look like this and then every other leader looks like this>points 100>leader:>horde trash infantry (aka 20 models 1 wound)>elite infantry (aka 10 models 2 wounds)>support:>wtf is a support
>>98608893It's the exact same level of tedium as one (1) layer of edge highlights.
>>98608982You aren't getting perfectly opaque well defined color regions like that in a single layer and it requires much more thought than an edge highlight. Its basically doing clean freehand on the entire model.
How do we fix them?
>>98608995It's easier than you'd expect. Try it and you'll be shocked.
>>98609005Unfortunately there is no fixing them because the game that would support this sort of army is no longer possible.
>>98609005release chaos agents and then proceed to merge both into SM/CSMalternatively create codex imperium and throw all that shit into one pile and figure balancing out later
>>98609005Reintroduce proper ally rules.
>>98609017>Buy Codex: Imperium >It's 70% different flavours of space marine>15% Imperial guard>10% Sisters of Battle>5% other
>>98609008t.thick paint glopper
>>98609005Requsitioned imperial guard section like dark eldar section in eldar codex
>>98609017There's simply no way they could fit all that into one book. It'd be like having Eldar, Corsairs, and Harlequins all in the same codex!
>>98609037That's the kind of person that cel shading appeals to beeteedubbleyou
>>98609056You forgot deldar, but don't feel bad because GW also forgot.
>>98608921>3 Deathwatch only units>2 Black Templars only units>1 Dark Angel only unit>1 squatted unit>5 normal unit options to lead
>>98609005Turn it into a codex: allies where it contains units for a bunch of different factions and not just imperium. Then introduce proper rules for bringing those allies in their respective armies.
>>98609005Roll them into the different imperium codecies with rules as allied units for specific factions.>Admech can't take sisters or GK>GK must have an inquisitor in the list to be included in guard> Custodes only have access to the inquisitor units (old KTs)>Knights and agents are more easily mixed.>DW are rolled into codex compliant SMOr something like this. There's no reason GK should be taken in a guard list. Sisters and Admech worship different deities so they'd probably hate each other. Custodes should only NEED assassins. Give them a way to be uniquely sprinkled as a flavor of unit in the other imperium armies. would also cut down on bloat.
>>98608921I think the judiciar will get squatted in 12th and given "official proxy" status as a chaplain.
>>98609084GOOD
>>98609005Stop treating them like an army, they're add-ons for other armies and a way to soup together imperial armies.
Is it even possible to make a viable imperial agents army?
>>98608099I think it's amazing how many entries we still get every month even after more than a year. I wonder how many models have been painted for the collage in total
>>98608099>TQNamed characters being killed by /yourdudes/
>>98609084Giving the chaplain the option for a greatsword is okay with me.
>>98608625They can be affected by a ton of differeny detachme t rules and strategems now though
>>98608623T 4, breakpoints are S5, S8.T 5 go up to S6 and S10.anything S5 and S8, 9 got screwed
>>98609005>Remove access to GK, Deathwatch and SoB (maybe let them take Repentia/Flagellants) >Give them Tempestus units with a supporting detachment, rename them Stormtroopers>Expand the psyker part of the army>Give them something with actual AT For flavour you could throw in some more out there bodyguard units for Inquisitors like Demonhosts or Xenos.
>>98609146Is this because 7 ate 9?
>>98609163>xenosI want this guy
>>98609005Imagine a codex full of rules for making custom inquisitorial retinues and rogue trader entourages, that encourages conversion and custom models.
>>98609191How far we've come from kino like this
>>98608623I play Elves so this is just my perspective.Regular shurikens will be worse off, S4/-1/1, so pretty much all the battleline infantry is considerably worse. Guardians and Dire Avengers.Corsairs are now also considerably worse because their power swords are S4/-2/1 without any special rules.Scatter Lasers (S5/0/1) got marginally worse at wounding but they also got more efficient when they do since Marines are presumably going to be more expensive. Windriders and Shroud Runners are kinda cooked though because of S5 bolters now wounding them on 3s.Everything else I think gets better actually, simply by just being more efficient (hopefully) into Marines. The rest of the army has lots of access to S6-S10 weaponry, or get more efficient like Banshees who have anti-infantry 3/-3/2d weapons. The light vehicles have great shooting too but many of them now get wounded easier thanks to S5 bolters. Vyper chassis gets wounded in 4s now with the S6 shots, Fire Prisms get wounded on 5s now with just regular S5 bolter fire. So it's a bit of a wash.
Been thinking about Neurogaunts lately. They're super cute. Have you been thinking lately?
>>98609198>>98609191anyone know a good system for running custom forces like this? 40k doesn't scratch that itch really
>>98609139None of which are as good as critting on 5s and a 5+ fnp. You can definitely pump boyz to the gills with extra rules, and this is cool and thematic I think, but I don't think you can actually get them as tanky or offensively powerful as they used to be.Like, if you'd compare a fully powered boyz unit pre-codex with one post-codex, I have little doubt the pre-codex one will do more damage into any target (though both units probably kill most things they hit). There's also surprisingly little defensive support in terms of stratagems. You can get grot shields which is an extremely powerful defensive tool, but boyz are probably THE worst user of it, since the weapons that kill them will be D1 and mow through the grot unit very efficiently (rather than something like Ghaz who gets lascannons and meltas aimed at him where the grot shields are supremely effective). You can ressurect and reactive move and do some tricks, but there is less raw power available to them.
>>98609115>>98609097I just see that model having the same problem that suppressors did. They were on a sprue with other units, no kit of their own and they just aren't distinct enough to justify a datasheet of their own. I also worry about the apothecary biologis for the same reason, but it's a new model- it will last a while.
> all this marine whining about +1S/+1TBuffs are awful, nerf them back. Make them even worse than Ork Boyz and Nobz. Spoiled children don't deserve rewards
>>98609208head empty
>>98609208>Have you been thinking lately?Too much
Eldar better get some sick psychic powers with the codex or I'm not playing
CSM better get some sick rape powers with the codex or I'm not playing
>>98609008Have you done it before anon?
>>98609181Giving imperial agents the rules to field kroot kill teams and grekh would provide enough rules to proxy any similar xenos.Also the zoat.
>>98609208>Have you been thinking lately?
>>98608875And then your turn it sideways on the tabletop and realize it looks like complete ass outside of the intended display angle (so for like 95% of the time you play with it)
>>98609208I have, my heads proper fucked. With i could turn it off desu
>>98609242
>>98609240just have a Dogs of War/Mercenaries Codex/Index at that point.
>>98609280YESSSSS
>>98609243You're thinking of NMM and OSL, anon
Does GW have a roadmap for codex releases or anything?I’m just curious if there’s any actual info on timeframe or which factions are actually getting codexes this edition
>>98609299I usually huff plastic glue fumes until James sends me a vision, but it always fades by the time I'm sentient enough to write it down
>>986081402 stompas, 3 dakkarigs, and a big mek is 2000 on the dot if you want to run Orky Knights.
>>98609299lolno all we know is Custodes & T'au are next.
>>98609005My first army back in 4th edition was the guard+sisters+inquisition soup army. It was a lot of fun. Agents doesn't quite give the same feel, so i would start by having actual ally rules instead of the current system of just 1-3 units. Make it armies can be half and half again, or even thirds.Rules for customizing your inquisitor. I recall back in the day selecting psychic powers and lots of wargear options. Make your choice of Ordo matter too. Basically just add a ton of flavor and customization, which are two things that should be added more of everywhere for every faction. I remember having a bunch of weird retinue models too, some of which you can see in this image.I got the new Greyfax model and I love her so I include her in some lists but give me an excuse to break out my old Ordo Malleus guy here. I have Karamazov around here somewhere too.They could start by giving them more than a couple detachment options. As I've said many times, it's outright insane but also completely unnecessary to have some factions with like 2 good detachments while marines are swimming in 23 detachment options, most of which are good, and that's before adding in the codex noncompliant chapters.The option to pay points for characteristics like WE and LD would be cool, build an inquisitor like you're building an rpg character.
>>98609319I wonder if pulse rifles will end up at S7 or something.
>>98609327and pulse blasters better be able to shoot trough walls (not indirect fire)
>>98609343Maybe fire warriors will hit on 2's too, or they'll just stack a bunch of stupid keywords on a ton of weapons plus firing modes.
>>98609319Where did that get announced? Some article ending sentence?
>>98609307can any other factions run not!knights?
>>98609356Leaks for both iirc but Custodes just lost it's Combat Patrol + Codex on the site so it's confirmed.
Dark Eldar should get their version of knight tier units.
>>98609376dark knights
>>98609240and ork freebooters and ork big bossand eldar corsairs and amallynand votann with coats and a votann engineer
>>98608827Something in the pewter leaching out, IIRC it's slightly tacky? So you may want to scrub it before priming.
I just look at my Purestrain Genestealers and the paintjob is absolutely horrendous, it's been a year since I painted them but now thinking of just dunking them in 99% IPA and do a repaint from scratch.
>>98609449I guarantee you can glow them up with a couple layers on top, no need to strip them. Post pics.
i just picked up 10 pink horrors for £14
>>98609376Dark Eldar explicitly do not field Titanic units. They're raiders and scavengers. All their big shit is probably stuck back in their dark city and can't reasonably be deployed anywhere else in the Galaxy
>>98609449Can't be any worse than my basic bitch behemoth ones
>>98609459>>98609487The carapace is fine but the paint on the faces and the skin are way too thick, I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. And the wash I had used went based, it dried extremely glossy. Patriarch turned out okay for what I can do, took me the longest to paint.
>>98609384Add that new Tarellian dog soldier from the Huron Blackheart squadAdd Sslyth from the Dark Eldar
James! There's only one way to save 40k! Release the Hrud!
I can't tell if this is worth £60, I'd need to sand off the blood angel insignias and the broken iron halos really bother me
>>98609480They do have a lot of old pre-fall tech, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had titanic stuff. The problem for them is that all pre-fall Eldar tech requires psychic input, which goes agaisnt probably one of the only actual rules in the Dark City, no psychic allowed.I also like to imagine Cabals would never redeploy their heavy assets away lest another Cabal seizes the opportunity to destroy a rival. Like nukes today. Necessary to have but never used.
>>98609357Depends on how strict your definition is, and also if you care at all if they are good.Tau can run all big suits, for example. Necrons can do C'tan spam and big robots.
>>98609512Maybe rules will change but you probably don't need more than 5 assault intercessors as a character bodyguard unit, and combi sternguard are objectively worse than bolt rifles. You can get two boxes of marines retail for ~£60, so there's not much actual value there for broken painted stuff.
>>98609498add an extra highlight layer and some matte varnish and peep the results homie
>>98609512Not great not terrible. You have a lot of work to do.
>>98609512>primaris>worth £60LolLmao
>>98609477I bought them because the staff included was balling same with the bird in kairic acolytes...
>>98609498Bruh. Those are fine. If you want to glowup the units I'd do like a yellow/orange or even a yellow-green wash on the exposed brain, maybe a similar color wash on the expose muscles/alien parts. Would add some nice alien looking contrast imo. I actually like the glossy look, makes them even more alien. If you want, just take some matte/satin varnish to some spots so it's not all shiny, and then the gloss will pop out nicely. That's just my opinion.
>>98609512the paint isnt applied too thickly so you if you strip it with Isopropyl alcohol you can pretty much paint them fresh. Just be careful when scrubbing off the paint around thin parts.
>>98609582how long for the Isopropyl alcohol smell to go away
>>98609384
>>98609590IPA has almost no smell aside from the slight alcohol tinge, it's probably the denaturant/bitterant they put in to make it safe to sellgive it a quick wash in lukewarm water with a small amount of soap
>>98609590Instantly, Iso doesn’t leave a smell it’s just raw alcohol and once you rinse it off you can’t smell it at all.
>>98609594kek
>>98609658Are these new space wolves? Wow.
>>98609594Kek, what's the original?
>>98609578i love the egyptian style so im all in on thousand sons/tzeentch stuff
>>98609668firstborn, yeah, the poor sods just got their terminator armors taken so they could be handed to biggers
>>98609658dang they bringing gav thorpe's leagues of votrannian novel to the screen?
>>98609674sexy pokemon
Today I learned that one of Tom Clancy's kids plays Tau.
>>98609696Honestly that makes sense.
>>98609696Everyone, post your favourite Tom Clancy novelWarhammer 40,0000
>>98609696Is he a Farsight Chad or Dog of the Ethereals?
>>98609721Working on a Farsight repose right now it seems, so the first one.
>>98609208Yes, I asked today how small they were.
>>98609696>>98609719I honestly thought that Tom Clancy was the name of the guy from splinter cell
>>98609719Could do without the Japanese samurai tomboy shooting satellites out of the sky though, that came across a bit silly.
The Drukhari range is so old that the Warhammer Fantasy Dark Elves have had two range expansions, then the entire setting blew up, then Age of Sigmar came and went, then GW revived The Old World, and The Old World reintroduced Dark Elves all before the Dark eldar got redone
>>98609480i could shit out a bunch of lore accurate titanic units they could feasibly have
>>98609719Sorry I only read bolter slop and the comics in the newspaper
>>98609208The only one I actually like is the nodebeast, and even then the whole idea of a unit of disposable synaptic nodes makes no sense.The old rules allowed you to add a synaptic leader gaunt to your broods to help them go further out alone, and it would make sense if small groups of neuorgaunts could act as that specialist for gaunt swarms, but then they're also the most disposable of them all and even a bodyguard unit instead of a buffer for synaptic creatures?I just don't think they thought them through.
>>98609739That's your problem and not the wandering around Iceland while Clancy jerks off about the pregnant girl chapters?
>>98609754>The Old World reintroduced Dark ElvesEh for now they're still legacy. Check back in a few months
>>98609754why are you counting the dragons and sorceress as a range expansion and not counting incubi, drazhar, hand of the archon, lelith, 2 archons, malys, a homunculus, a succubus, the bomber, mandrakes, and plastic wracks?Not to mention corsairs and harlequins which are also tangential to their roster, if you're feeling extra hypocritical and want to consider aos khainites as dark elves too.
>>98609754You've had so many mini releases since that period you just posted I can't fit it all on my screen at once.
>>98609791centerpiece model vs single infantry characterHand of the archon is a now-squatted half size upgrade sprue, not a new model.
>>98609780No because I was listening to the audiobook and the 60 something year old man narrating it put on a very funny accent + girls voice whenever she spoke and it carried the chapters, going to guess the studio vetoed the one he was going to do for the Japanese girl.
I like how boyz have got better shooting than a number of other random troops, significantly better melee and a sgt that hits like a character for the cost of 90 pts and Ork players are trying to say it's weak
>>98609754Just bringing back this time you got raped
>>98609800lets be honest and remove the single infantry characters and sprue halves then, shall we?
>>98609754god' i'd love some new dark elf models
>>98609719what's the one where the ex-navy seal falls in love with a hooker and then she dies and he goes around killing pimps? that shit was tight
Does Heroic Intervention give fight first or no in 11th edition? Otherwise, whats the point if this stratagem if you can't take priority?
>>98609815vanguard veterans have been refreshed twice in this time period btw
>>98609826
>>98609827All charges give fights first, but you don't get priority as the player whose turn it is picks first activation.
You know gw could write rape without rape by having a slaaneshi demon engine force an imperial knight to “malfunction”.
>>98609834Space Marines are spoiled more than other factions??? No way, someone ring up the press, this has to be exposed!
>>98609800the only reason the hand of the archon is removed is because the kit is getting updated
>>98609791Monopose characters with no options don't count. We've had 1 archon, the bomber, mandrakes, incubi and wracks.Which isn't nothing but in the same length of time GW have invented multiple new armies and rereleased almost the entire craftworld eldar range, not even mentioning space marines.
>>98609834>My faction doesn't get as many releases as space marines so my incessent whining is justifiedI hope deldar get squatted just to spite you
>>98609856>and rereleased almost the entire craftworld eldar rangeThe one that was 10 more years out of date than yours?
>>98609848I wish you stayed away from /40kg/, it's obvious by your many posts that you would rather be elsewhere and discuss Destiny or Gundam or leftypolitics or vtumors whatever other thing that's actually not 40k-related at all beyond a schizophrenic rambling.
>>98608846Source? R34 comin up empty
>>98609866The very same yes. Point is everyone who's been waiting longer for a range refresh has had one by now. Even armies like the SOB's who were basically dead or the GSC/Squats who were literally dead have gotten multiple release waves.It is time for the adarki aeldari to get their time in the sun.
Should probably post this in WIP but I said I'd post them here when I decided on this for my guard so I'll keep my wordI need to do a few bits of touch-up here and there, buy a blue paint for the power sword, actually paint on eyes, do some shading/highlighting and finish basing them, but I'm close enough for me to say I'm "done" with my Confederate Guard to be playable.Pic is my Castellan model that I plan to use as an Ursula Creed proxy. My actual guardsmen that he leads are in a mixed state of basing so I didn't get a picture of them and I forgot to grab them for the picture.
>>98609856>updating the perfect 5th dark eldar plastics should take precedence over the ancient craftworld range or factions that never got a >not even mentioning the fact we aren't taking precedence over the posterboys...I think you just want to whine for the sake of whining at this pointthe update is happening, why don't you get the kits you like in the meanwhile?
>>98609848GW should write graphic rape scenes from tall sexy drukhari/ec if they want to be more inclusive to women
>>98609876>beyond a schizophrenic rambling.Pot meets his supposed kettle because this is the only the gundam thing I’ve posted in the 40K general in years. I don’t know what the rest of what you’re talking about is but I’ll have you know I have more greyride models then you.
I think marines going S5/T5 is a good change.I also agree with marines being a more elite army with fewer models.
>>98609909but new bad old good, anon
>>98609909The only problem is that all marine equivalents will now require buffs as well.
>>98609909No its gay
>>98609208It's such a shame they're only worth taking as bubblewrap instead of anything thematicThey're also easily the cutest 40k models ever
>>98609847>as the player whose turn it is picks first activationWell that's retarded, the ability should let you take priority if you use Heroic Intervention regardless of whose turn it is.
>>98609839yeah that was it, very deathwish which is my whole vibe
>>98609902this guy understands women
>>98609208they remind me of the scrabs from oddworld, i picked 10 of them up at a bargain price of ebay. havent painted em yet.
>>98609888Art by AnonArts
>>98609905I don't doubt for a second that you have got more gayrides than me.
>>98609974if he did he would have written nl, not ec
>>98609974After reading around 300 romance manga targeted toward women, I’ve reached the conclusion that the female fantasy is essentially "I’m so hot that he can’t resist pushing me down"works cited:662758, 655322, 652680, 649033, 649039, 644475, 646481, 642793, 638103
>>98609834You can't be serious
>>98609957First First was too powerful last edition when defender got priority. Heroic Intervention is still really useful when used right.
>>98609909So now we need S5/T5 Genestealers and S6/T6 Tyranid Warriors and Ogryns and Custodes and S5/T6 Death Guard and etc etc
>>98609856Nigger our current Falcon is older than your army, fuck off
>>98610003tyranid warriors wont get buffed until they get new models.
>>98608650I've got an old timey striking scorpion exarch
>>98609901>Updating the perfect plasticsholy fucking retard, the issue is that half the fucking Deldar range was resin that all got squatted without any replacements.The 'perfect 5e ' kits are mostly gone. There are only 9 5e plastic kits left (Kabs, Scourges, Hellions, Wyches, Reavers, Venoms, Raider+Ravager kit, Cronos/Talos kit, Razorwing), compared to 10 kits that got squatted. If the entire 5e range was available, nobody would complain. The issue is that the army first lost about half of the range when chapterhouse nuked it (since the range relied on kitbashing), then they lost another third of the range to resin going away.If the entire 5e range was available it'd be fine, the whining is because the dark eldar codex is quite literally smaller than it was during 3e
>>98609989after studying the mating patterns of women IRL my conclusion is that their ultimate sexual fantasy is to be chopped up and devoured
>>98610010That's probably coming with the new codex desu there's almost nothing else for GW to update for nids.
just got some new higher-quality paints and brushes, maybe now I won't suck so bad at painting
>>98610018
>>98610025You can get by on average brushes if you have good brush control.
hell yeah I just won hellblasters for £15 shipped and someone nice gave me a transfer sheet
>my mega and meka dread and the kannon wagon are glorified paperweights according to GW >but the lifts a wagon, mekboy workshop, and big trakk get to have legends rules.Not sure if I should be pissed at how half assed this culling was or laugh that some fucker thought a terrain piece and two bad hyper specialized vehicles where more worth keeping then the two coolest ork walkers and a second side variant of the battle wagon.
>>98608177>razorback was a proper fire support afv that could have a fire support role or support its dismounts>Impulsor is just a technical hodgepodge with mistmatched guns>and it's all we got now
>>98610034Agreed, I have cheap Amazon Chinese brushes and beat the hell out of the and they still get the job done.
>>98609989Is that like, an unreasonable fantasy to have?Also this is the 40k general my dudeI like tyranids and stuff
>>98610017>all got squatted without any replacements.it's 3 units and one character, that's a small release wave
>>98610034How does one judge the quality of brushes? I got some brushes from the warhamer store, because I'm autistic and only warhammer supplies can be used on warhammer minis, are those bad? I put some nicpro brushes on my wishlist when I was thinking about getting into Warmachine, how are those?
>>98610039based, you gonna strip them or are you going to keep them as is?
>>98610021Carnifex and the hive tyrant could really use a new model, but i get your point.
>>98608207>The bigger crime is what they did to assault cannons, replacing them with generic fucking miniguns.This, the assault cannon was a perfect blend of modern high-tech and anachronistic visual design, like if some crazy person decided to try and upgrade a gatling gun with modern minigun technology.
>>98610080Keep them they're better than what I can do
>>98610056>Is that like, an unreasonable fantasy to have?considering that most women now are hambeasts with awful tattoos, a triple-digit body count and six-figure college debt, yes. this is on-topic because the world we live in is grimdarker than the 40k setting.
>>98610051>Predator Annihilator was a tank-killer that could hold its own>Predator Destructor was a battle tank that could chew through marines but also contest enemy armor>Gladiator Lancer has 1 lascannon that is just objectively better than the Annihilator, but it has heavy and doesn't have as good of sponson guns>Gladiator Reaper is just a LR Punisher with another gatling gun that can float with bolter sponsons>Gladiator Valiant fills the Destructor's main gun role, but its sponsons are multi-meltas which don't suit a the role the main gun hasGW either isn't considering what roles each vehicle fills, or they're trying to take versaility and certain utilities away from certain factions.
>>98610075>I'm autistic and only warhammer supplies can be used on warhammer ministhe general consensus is that GW brand shit is overpriced and of middling quality, anons sold me on vallejo paints as a cheaper, more reliable alternative
>>98610056no lol men want the exact same thing except with a big titty goth girl instead of a 6ft 5in vampire
>>98610109the difference is that I am entitled to it
>>98610063Court and beastmaster are only listed as one kit because they got pushed up into a single kit so they could be executed. They were historically counted seperately.There's also Urien, the Reaper, grotesques and the Tantalus
>>98610091Amen
>>98610099Its a fantasy anon (much like warhammer fantasy I might add)Men fantasize about fucking a harem of beautiful exotic women despite being 5’7” and skinnyfat with skin problemsSo what?Also primaris are notable much larger than firstborn
>>98610123I too remember running a 35 point Lhamean as my Warlord because all the other character options were such shit and she was cheap.
>>98610075I took scissors to my starter brush since it had a pilot hair and ended up giving it a flat top haircut, the two small layer brushes I got instantly split apart during painting. GW tools are overpriced and really really bad except for the artificer brush which is just overpriced and I think the silly handle for priming squadsI still own mostly citadel paint though and I'm using two vallejo brushes that sadly are getting a hook tip despite me using brush goop every session
>>98610045>nob warbikers are just warbikers nowWell now I rather wish they'd let warbikers take two nobs.
>>98610102NTA, but I think it’s just outright bad/lack of game design knowledge. Marines were 100% a bloated force and still are the bulk of what they are losing doesn’t really have a good replacement for its role. Even as fucking stupid as the bunker and the centurions are they are kind of the only thing in the marine range that did what they did. Marines had a lot of units nobody was using because they had another five units already doing that thing and bloating roles, but they culled units that mostly had their own lanes to stay in. They either genuinely think ranges struggling to fulfill certain basic gameplay functions is a good idea or they can’t see why that’s a bad idea because a lot of factions struggle to do basic things and a lot of armies all struggle to do the same things. Bad choice for Anti tank anti monster is a common issue with a lot of factions that also regularly fucks their functionality for example.
>>98610123>counting FW shitno, it's 3 kits and one character, beasts+master, court, grotesques, and rakhartit's not half the range, it's not most of the range, the range hasn't been neglected because they still got kit updates via kill team and characters their larger release wave is already essentially confirmed, so what are you even whining about?
>>98610131The Warp is just a metaphor for women.
>>98608207assault cannons were always miniguns
>>98610165You do realize the minigun is a specific weapon, right?
>>98610176the minigun is any multi-barrel rotating weapon to non gunspergs
>>98610154Lot of factions have to count FW units if certain roles are only fulfilled by those units and past editions saw FW units be outright meta picks. The Leviathan Dreadnought was a son of a bitch to deal with in 8th and a good chunk of 9th. Orks only had like three vehicles that weren’t walkers if you didn’t count their FW range for a good little bit.
>>98610153I'd agree with lack of game design knowledge, I don't think the people making the balance decisions are the same people making the "what models go away and what models have what features" decisions, and the people making balance decisions don't have a good understanding of how the game actually functions. They might understand *their* army and how to do certain things with it, but they don't understand the broad archetypes and principles to apply them.I do think GW is getting rid of the Predator because it's old and has a "kind of close" parallel, but there are others that don't have anything filling their role, which makes me think it's intentional to introduce new models that aren't out yet (bad business decision to have unanswered questions like this about game balance for long periods) or they want to reduce the scope of certain factions to make them "easier to understand" without considering how that will actually play.>Bad choice for Anti tank anti monster is a common issue with a lot of factions that also regularly fucks their functionality for exampleI'm well aware, I play Sisters. I'm tired of bringing Morvenn to be able to kill tanks AT ALL in most games
>>98610075How well they hold their shape & don't get loose "hairs" as it were. Synthetic are the most common & cheapest option. They will get the job done but you'll probably want some brush soap to keep them having a sharp shape. I have heard it's recommended to have at least one real hair brush at 1 size.
what kind of terrain should I make if I don't want pipes and ruins as light terrain?sandbags feels a step better until half the board gets cluttered with it
>>98610107Yeah I noticed the Vallejo paints were much cheaper, and I might switch because I'm going to start using Vallejo brush-on primer , but idk the citadel paint pots seem more intuitive to me than the droppers, but I'm relatively new so what do I know.
>>98610211Trees?
>>98610182So you don't know, gotcha.
>>98610211Natural terrain? Rocks, trees, shrubbery.You can go find rocks outside. You can find/make trees and shrubbery easily, but the info to do so will be in model train spaces most likely.I have a bunch of jersey barriers that I 3d printed and some rocks from my driveway that I use for light terrain.
>>98610222just experiment and see what you get the best results with, the learning process is part of the fun
>>98610102It probably has to do with every vehicle now needing 9+ weapons systems to be worth taking. For example, look at all the guns on the close combat dreadnought.
>>98610211>I don't want pipes and ruins as light terrainI don't understand the question
>>98610189>Lot of factions have to count FW unitsNo, you shouldn't count FW units for any faction
>>98610195>be GW>bloat and overfocus marines for years>10th edition>announce ranges will be seeing a lot of stuff go to legends because they are bloated>only marines are really bloated>everyone else loses a metric fuckton of units>a lot not even getting legends rules>spend all of 10th rebloating marines>announce unit culls for 11th edition>cull units that really aren’t the issue>gut punch orks and cull a randomly drawn out of a hat list of units>99% chance marines leave 11th with more units than they came in with anywayfuck I hate these people
>>98610226>>98610229>In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only treesI'll go with it and probably build a catachan army in some years
>>98610005The falcon is deadass the greatest plastic vehicle GW has made in 40 fucking years and if they ruin it I will burn england to the ground.
I really hope they cut down the number of weapon profiles on the repulsor executioner more. Main heavy gun, anti-infantry gun, anti-fly gun, then lump everything else into the "defensive array" please and thanks.
>>98610227NTA but he's rightUnless they're a /k/fag you can put any rotary cannon together and everybody will call every one a minigun
>>98610253You either get cheap model train trees or make your own. DIY trees are fun. Could be a nice collage theme.
I can either paint a bunch of old (90s) genestealers, or a very old magus for the college
>>98610211Shell craters, small burnt out vehicles and depending on the armies you want to represent their trash? IE if orks quickly built totems of rocks and scrap to Gork and Mork, if nids some kind of bio slurry pit, chaos small idols and scarf ice sites.Bigger then you where talking, but I like my chaos shit rock alter. Could be scaled down to just a small stone structure and some skulls on it with some offered weapons
>>98610236>we want to simplify the game and reduce time taken for dicerolls so we're removing special weapons from infantry and standardizing weapon configurations as much as possible>puts 9 different weapon profiles into every vehicle so you have to roll 9 separate times per vehicle>>98610241I am genuinely scared of GW sending the Russ and Chimera into legends; both kits are quite old and are "technically" served by other units (but those other units are either worse at the same cost, or more expensive) like the Predator was.The Russ is absolutely the backbone of the Guard roster, but they keep putting Dorns into new releases and give it the centerpiece so I'm nervous.The Taurox is the only guard vehicle that I can see going to Legends without much complaint.I also expect Catachans to go on their age alone, but they aren't as "roster essential" as the Russ/Chimera; Catachan players would be devastated, but as a whole the guard roster doesn't rely on them like it does the Russ and Chimera.>>98610253Make desert world scenery out of rocks and clay. Make agri-world scenery out of plants and bits meant to look like ruined farm equipment (or model railroad diorama stuff). Make mining world scenery out of rocks, clay and bits out of some of the GSC kits (or model railroad diorama stuff).
>>98610056>Also this is the 40k general my dude>I like tyranids and stuffYou know you can click the posts he's replying to and see he's discussing how to make women feel more welcome in 40k (a 40k topic.)
>>98610285Magus
Can't wait to get shit on by marines and orks for over a year until my armies codex comes out, and then to keep getting shit on as im terrible at the game
>>98610328You could try space marines or orkz if you wantedOr maybe kill team or something
>>98610295The poor guards legends section which I think is also one of the largest in the game is going to be a fucking massacre. I’m also terrified for my iron warriors since most of my heavy hitters and work horse units either culled be up for a cull if GW goes full tard or already are legends units.
>>98610273First off>ntaMy assSecond: you're wrong on all counts. I said minigun to refer to the actual weapon, for its distinctive look and bucket like muzzle. You came in, full of shit as you do, telling me all proudly how you're a midwit who doesn't know shit and every rotary barrel weapon might as well be a minigun because that's how little you know or care about weapons, in and out of 40k. And then when rightfully called out, you then try to shift the blame onto me and the other anon for "caring/knowing too much", as if being ignorant was a thing to be proud of just because there's a lot of you stupid cunts.Let us be real now, you are just fishing for a reply because you recognize when people are more interesting than you. You come to beg for funnies for you are a thirsty boy incapable of bringing your own laugh. Now suck my dick you little twatty dick muncher.
>>98610344I am a third unrelated anon and I agree that rotating multibarrel weapons will be called miniguns by everyone unless they launch like rockets very slowly or somethingIf its just a laser minigun thats what people will call it lol
>>98609498Just a few washes/shades and then matte topcoat. they look fine.
>>98610338It's kind of sad that guard are getting crammed into a box like marines did.
>>98610275It's a shame that the terrain collage was the one with the fewest entries, even if fewer people being around to paint in December might have had something to do with it.
post ILLEGAL assembly tips>inhale plastic glue after inhaling plastic dust in order to melt it out of your lungs>fuck up with a hobby knife and call it "war damage">put a head on backwards for a cuhrazy mutation
>>98610390Its sad but i think part of it is many of us are hobbylets who cant build or paint anything that doesnt come on sprue
>>98608681>What are you working on, /40kg/?Kroot and Eldar
>>98610344>Second: you're wrong on all counts.>A rotary cannon, rotary autocannon, gatling cannon, gatling autocannon, or incorrectly a minigunEverybody calls them all miniguns
>>98610393>put a helmet from one kit onto another kitthis one is super illegal, GW sent the pinkertons to steal my 2000 point army while i was asleep
>>98610424you're lucky you escaped with your anus intact
>>98610377Guard are probably in for a hell of a ride this edition one way or another. >Guard are one of the last factions to get their book so by the end of the edition they are literally unplayable and the tanks have had their points reduced a dozen times to try and fix it only to basically be a very early 12 edition army in how the book is writtenand massively over preform just to get beat into the dirt again and unplayable for that edition.Or >Guard are one of the first books and their stats also get stat crept to keep up and reduce the army size down so we end up worth guardsmen that are weirdly tanky and hit way too hard to be guardsmen, but you also won’t have more then 40 in a list because of points cost. And then they get power crept by late edition armies Choose your way conscript man.
Kino
>>98610344Yes you're a gunsperg like I said, normal people don't give a fuck, it spins it's a minigunNo need to turn schizo over this
>>98610393>after building a model you can put a liquid called "paint" on it to earn you more points (canon 40k lore)
>>98610436>no bbc>kino
>>98610433Both scenarios sound like the ad mech experience for a while now.
>>98610449i will never understand “people” who play this game but dont like painting 3/4 of the hobby is painting and listening to audiobooks
>>98610393>If you use a hobby knife to cut the legs off your models, you now have legless models.
>>98610465I would understand more if the game was good
>>98610393>putting symmetrical breasts on daemonettes
>>98610393You actually get banned from Warhammer World if you bring a fully helmeted Sisters of Battle army.
>>98610465Painting my cool little dudes and playing with friends from college is pretty much the only thing keeping me in the hobby >rules suck >all my favorite units are slowly getting replaced by bastard successors or they get flung off into the void because rules are hard to write for GW.If this was some random video game I would have stoped play a decade ago.
>>98609815Orks were 5th (AoBR)Nids were 4th (BfM)my Catachans are waiting.
theres actually an official warhammer store in my town out here in midwest US
>>98610536>walk in>msrp >walk out and continue buying online with a 15%+ discountNot my problem.
Anyone got that ork nigga throwing a TV from the top of a cop car?
>>98610536What actually is the point of GW physical stores at this point? My “local” is infamous for not being open or randomly closing whenever the manager feels like it to the point the stores social media is mostly “yep closed again” and right down the road is a store with better stock and prices.
>>98610579It's to bait children to come in and sell it to parents over a demo game
>>98610045>Squiggoth as Garg SquiggothWhich retard at GW wrote this? Might as well proxy a grot as Ghazghkull
Are you a hobbylet, anon? Surely you've stepped out of the warm comfort of grey sprues and easy to build kits and scratchbuilt something atleast once?
>>98610579>mini of the month gone>cheaper product elsewhere>paints aren't exclusive to GW stores (and are cheaper elsewhere)The only reason I can think to go to a GW store is for the free shipping on a product you ordered from GW directly that you couldn't find *anywhere* else.
>>98609181They should make kits for the three flavors of inquisitor ordos. Xenos can get alien bounty hunters, malleus can get daemonhosts.
>>98610610A display board for AoP 8 years ago. My friends and I also built tables to play on that only got a couple years of use sadly.
>>98610579I went there to get the anniversary minis
>>98610605I guess GW doesn't care about modeling for advantage then, or did they pre-emptively put their new "legendary proxy" category into the "banned from tournaments" list too?
>>98610579>>98610550I just thought it was neat that theres an actual store for it here might visit it after i get all my painting supplies together
>Buy a pile of unpainted ork junk from a guy thinking I could kitbash whatever I want out of the stuff>He used plastic cement on a ton of itYou faggots who use this shit are the worst
>>98610536Is it true the midwest is nothing but farms and bored teenagers drinking and doing drugs to cope? Don't tell me tv lied to me. Am yuroid
>>98610610Made this notLysander dude a while ago. Haven't painted him because I want to greenstuff an over the shoulder cloak but my greenstuff is dry so I've been postponing it. Recent events for marines have led me to focus on my orks.
>>98610034Brush control ain't ever gonna make up for not having a size 000 W&N or something similar- sometimes the right quality brush DOES matter
>>98610610I've made a scratch built trukk and participated in the kitbash collage, but that's about it
>>98610647What does it do? Is that the tamiya glass bottle?
>>98610654A lot of it is farms and bored kids, but there's other stuff too. We also have:>big crime-ridden citiesYou've heard of Chicago, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Detroit and Gary. They're all in the midwest.>weird tech companies with facilities in random places>huge amusement parks in the middle of nowhere>for some reason some of the best hospitals in the country>tiny, grimy restaurants that were built in the 1950s or earlier that have phenomenal food in every little townEvery little town along the great lakes has at least one little restaurant that was started by an Italian/Greek immigrant in the 30s/40s that's still open today, and they're always good.
>>98610676Only size matters.
Did the XD posts die out?
>>98610687Yea, that's plastic cementIt melts the outermost layer of the polystyrene on both parts so when they solidify they're now one contiguous piece. It's a sturdier (and permanent) way to assemble models. Pieces can't snap the glue bond if there isn't a glue bond.It's also what people use to make sprue goo.
>>98610465>listening to audiobooksson...
>>98610687It melts the plastic and fuses it. Makes breaking bits off intact and reusing them pretty much impossible, unlike super glue which is just a self adhesive you can make clean breaks with.
>>98610654No its not really true
>>98610708That's normal though. Like what everyone uses to build minis.
>>98610691Similarly sized walmart brand brushes have a shit tip and are unusable in the same applications
>>98610712I find models built with plastic cement break apart way easier though. I've removed heads, armas, shoulders and whatnot from plenty of models.
>>98610718Yea, but the anon that started this reply chain bought used, pre-assembled models with the intention of breaking them up to use the bits in kitbashing and can't do that because of the cement, so it works directly against his specific wants.Some people use superglue (cyanoacrylate glue) though, because it's easier, or they're used to assembling resin models instead of polystyrene ones so they just use what they're familiar with or they're afraid of it because "chemical reaction" or something.
>>98610465This accurately describes painting for me, minus the panic attack part
>>98610735Anon should be buying sprues or secondhand boxes if he wants to kitbash. It's senseless to buy preassembled models if you want to tear them apart.
>>98610718Everyone who's a retard uses it maybe- people with foresight use super glue because not only does it let you change/reuse models for future projects with ease, it also better protects your models from a fall since pieces will snap at the bond point & remain intact rather than bend, dent & unnaturally break.
>>98610465I agree, the people who play with grey models are strange to say the least.
Isn’t the hyper aggressive culling of units going to have a pretty obvious drawback for GW of people just don’t buy anything even a little old and are far less likely to pull the trigger on new things off the fear they become proxies an edition latter? >look guys irs Bobby Big Dick hero of the Cool Guys chapter. >yeah, but he will be a legends proxy for a sergeant in a edition >look guys a new FOMO box with a good discount on a lot of units that haven’t been in discount boxes before >your are just trying to offload theses before you cut support for them, I’m not buying these.Kind of feels like they have trained people to assume every model has a expiration date and to expect rugpulls.
>>98610519Most of their armies did not get updated with those sets newfag.
>>98610758In the long run, maybe. In the short run GW is about new customers. By the time new people get fed up they've already spent 1k
For his crimes of being yet another shit attempt at yellow, I sentence him to drown in streaking grime to hide my shame
>>98610758Hopefully people do start treating GW like this until they get the fucking memo.
>>98610757It takes a while to paint an army anon, nothing wrong with wanting to play the game before everything is painted
>>98610750May as well leave everything on the sprue then. No one normal expects to take apart built & painted minis they've already put together for the future of Frankensteining parts.>>98610771The yellow's fine. Even has shading. A wash & metal highlight would make it overall look better though.
>>98610746>buy sprues or secondhand boxesIf faggots on ebay weren't charging almost exactly msrp for ork shit I would
>>98610758the only thing more insufferable than GW are the self obsessed plebbitors who act like theyre the spearhead of a color revolution because they huff plastic fumes from their 3d printer 8 hours a day
>>98610771I dont know why you bad moons bros torture yourselves like this, theres plenty of other ork klans that are far easier to paint
>>98610780Tried FB marketplace?
>>98610758Did the GW CEO not say something like "they'll buy whatever we put out" a few years back?This shows that GW has no respect for its customer base and no expectations that said customers will stop buying, they think they are immune to backlash and that there are enough mindless slop-eaters among the customer base that they can do ANYTHING and still make money.
>>98610780Ebay is fuckin shithouse for buying second hand models these days, marketplace is pretty good though
>>98610797He's not wrong though, marine paypiggies are the worst
>>98610741Not sure how people have these skill issues. Grainy paint is from not thinning properly. Fixing overspill so much is because you are being too fast and sloppy, go slower. Rotate your brush to tighten the bristles and brace your arm properly on the desk so your hand doesn't shake. Just fucking use your brain.
>>98610706XD
>>98610758>the hyper aggressive culling of unitslmao it's been 10 years, idiot
>>98610815Do you like orks though?
>>98610791Because variety is the spice of life & I already have a blue army (with heavy black trim so no goffs either), a red army, & a green army in my cabinet
>>98610802The only positive I've had with eBay in regards to 40k is I bought 3 Leman Russ track sprues individually so that I could build each LR kit I had into 2 tanks. Each set of 2 tanks cost me ~$100 US, so I still saved ~$120 total.>>98610805Sure, but that comes with the other side that we, the discerning customer base (assuming you agree with me on buying good products/what we like and not just whatever is new and available) are unable to voice our concerns because we are the minority of customers, meaning that we have no say in the "vote with your wallet" sense, so the entire game will inevitably cater to the marine paypig lowest common denominator until you and I and everyone else either relents and joins in, gives up entirely, or plays something else.
>>98610816The orks lost units as new as last edition and 9th along with a apparently randomly selected selection off older stuff.
astarteKINGS are the only reason this hobby even exists show some fucking respect
>>9861081610 straight years of people telling GW we don't want their fucking Gravos Tacticus Strategus Operatorus Masturbatinators with Insipidus Boltstrike Stormtempest Thunderlightning Primaris Riflecarbines. And they listened and released Terminators three years ago which should have been the turning point where we were done with this faggotry but here they are still squeezing the old models out.
>>98610848Whos “we”?
>>98610848>WeWe bought them though. We bought so much of them they keep making them. Primaris are king, anon. Gravis bespoke stuff for dark engles soon.
>>98610852Everyone who isn't a retarded zoomer faggot.
>>98610846Not. Xenoschad
>>98610846pay up, piggy
>>98610848Look up the door in the face technique in regards to social psychology (marketing is social psychology).How it works is you start with something the other party will outwardly reject (and you know they will reject it), and then walk it back in a tiny way that doesn't really affect you but matters greatly to them, so they see it as a "win." Then you keep going on like this, doing this over and over, giving pittance victories to the other person that barely hamper you until you have eventually achieved your original goal and the other person still thinks they "won," because you gave them these little victories in the moment that ultimately didn't matter.Letting people use firstborn when Primaris marines released was the first walk-back. Those Terminator models were another.I'm done being a pseud now, go ahead and reply to me with "interesting schizobabble" or something.
>>98610807>just be experienced like me, someone who has spent years making mistakes before getting better!gee wizz, any other stellar advice, aho-senpai? I know the answer is practice, but it's not like practicing is some soothing experience when you keep seeing every fuckup in HD
>>98610857>get off my lawn posting in the sixth year of our fauci its nap time gramps
>>98610883>I'm done being a pseud now, go ahead and reply to me with "interesting schizobabble" or something.No I think you're genuinely onto something here, with the one caveat that I don't think doing things like this was GWs original goal, I think they thought they could just shovel out the initial slop and everyone would love it and when they got the pushback they decided to pivot to the strategy you are talking about.
>>98610852The fact a lot of the more specialized primaris units are perpetual shelf warmers and combo box fodder would suggest they really aren’t popular
>>98610892Just go slower. You don't need years of practice to be good, you need years of practice to be fast.
>>98609996How do you use it then if the other player gets to fight still after charging when activating Heroic?
>>98610892Take the model as-is and put it in the middle of a table that's the size of one you'd play on. Now stand up and look at the model as if it were on a game table among other models and see how much you can even notice the little fuckups you had.This is to put your fuckups into perspective, they're tiny and hardly noticeable unless you specifically look for them. Don't stress over it so much, take it slower and be methodical.>>98610898It was definitely a case of "they'll love this" and then going to the marketing department after the initial rejection of primaris, who then implemented this social conditioning means of achieving the end goal.Marketing people are taught to use these manipulation tactics in their degree programs, they all do it no matter what industry they're in.
Kill primaris. Behead primaris. Roundhouse kick a primaris into the concrete. Slam dunk a primaris neophyte into the trashcan. Crucify filthy cawl-marines. Defecate in an intercessors food. Launch primaris into the sun. Stir fry primaris in a wok. Toss primaris into active volcanoes. Urinate into a repulsors gas tank. Judo throw primaris into a wood chipper. Twist primaris heads off. Report primaris to the Inquisition. Karate chop primaris in half. Curb stomp primaris progenoid glands. Trap primaris in quicksand. Crush primaris in the trash compactor. Liquefy primaris in a vat of acid. Eat primaris. Dissect primaris. Exterminate primaris in the gas chamber. Stomp primaris skulls with ceramite boots. Cremate primaris in the oven. Lobotomize primaris. Mandatory exterminatus for primaris. Grind primaris organs in the garbage disposal. Drown primaris in fried chicken grease. Vaporize primaris with a ray gun. Kick redemptor dreadnoughts down the stairs. Feed primaris to alligators. Slice primaris with a power katana.
>>98610610Does my old Chaos Lord that I now use as a Lord of Poxes count?
So land raiders and rhinos are going away for chaos too right
>>98610952land raiders and rhinos aren't even going away for loyalists you retard
>>98610775Not really if you’re committed
>>98610930You don't have to wait until your turn to charge and hit them back. Gives them a choice to make over where to concentrate attacks. If they have multiple charges/fights first they have to resolve that unit first, which could have implications elsewhere. Some units have auras and do mortal wounds on the charge (JPIs)It'd good that Heroic isn't always the ideal option to use. It would have to be at least 2 command points for something that OP.
>>98610952Yeah you're going to get the Fleshborn Predator which will be a big flesh golem that barely resembles a tank because chaos is all about being fleshy.
>>98610952They're not even on the list of stuff being squatted for regular marines
>>98610961>which will be a big flesh golem that barely resembles a tank because chaos is all about being fleshy.This but unironically. Sick of retarded Chaos players complaining about this, it's always been their thing. If you don't like it just buy the loyalist kits and stick spikes and eight-pointed stars on them.
>>98610965>>98610956They’re being listed as being sold out online though, for the last chance to buy.
Why do people primer their minis in black even if they know theyre going to be using a lighter color as the base coat? Wouldnt it make more sense to use a grey or something? Shadows arent always pitch black
>>98610979You can buy one of the five other rhinos still available.
>>98610979Then they're probably just getting new kits. Or maybe GW is going to do the thing they did with Custodes and let 40k players use the 30k ones.
>>98610979Rhino kit comes with a sprue for the Razorback, it's just being removed from the box and repackaged.
>>98610883If this is what they are trying to do they have honestly been really bad at it. >introduce Primaris>"don't worry you can still use your old guys, they're not going anywhere">immediately fuck the faction rules so nothing interacts properly between the ranges>churn out Primaris slop at such a rate that "weekly Space Marine release" becomes a meme>every new kit somehow dumber than the last>hit 10th edition>open the edition by shoving a mountain of units into legends>"here's some new Terminators, you like those right :)">spend the entire edition further bloating Marines roster>by the time 11th edition starter box rolls around there's genuinely nothing new or fresh left to do>just refreshing kits that already got refreshed and digging the speeder out of the dumpster>Marine players openly saying their half of the game sucks>start culling even more units going into 11th>this time not even giving them legends rules>just straight up deleting them either they are catastrophically bad at executing the long con because they have effectively only offered a couple things people actually wanted while regularly throwing a middle finger up or they genuinely believe they're too big to fail. Even though the pushback keeps getting louder and Heresy 3.0 already proved they can kill a system by fucking the players too hard.
>>98610980Back in the old days black was the only spray available that wasn't shit (white). Some painters are stuck in their ways, others are just hipsters.Black primer is for painting black or metallics.
>>98610979>for the last chance to buyNo they aren't
>>98610952more like predator and vindicator, which are already absent in many chaos cult codexes
>>98610999>the pushback keeps getting louderno it doesn't lol
>>98610980I need to get a grey primer.
>>98610976Heavy metal chaos looks great, the fleshy bits end up looking corny in some cases.
>the pushback keeps getting louder
>>98610980I prime in white or the basecoat colour of the scheme. Black primer is good for people who like fast results and cutting corners when possible. Nothing wrong with that
>>98610980I like it because it'll cover up spots that I miss very nicely.
>>98610805This didn't sell and they still squatted devastators for them.
>>98611021Redditors are the people that like primaris, nice try though. NTA either.
>>98611026Not even Nerf guns are this retarded
>>98611028>n-no uLOL
>>98611015>>98611000>>98611024>>98611025what kind of primer do you guys use?
>>98610797To be fair that was the old CEO (or might have been the IP manager), that was a long time ago during Chapterhouse.>>98611034It is legitimately just true though and you know it. Reddit is where you go to find slop consoomers who go LOOK AT MY NEW PRIMARIS INTERFAGGORS and everyone claps.
>>98611009They did get moved to last chance to buy. The current listing right now is sold out online slated for removal. Probably like everyone else said of they intended to remove the razor back parts and put it back up, but it’s current version is listed to go.
>>98610980Black was what I saw recommended and was the only thing I saw in hobbycraftThe guy forgot to put the nozzle on at the counter and I had to go back in for itIf I could go back in time I'd buy mephiston red
>>98611028the plebbitors fancy themselves as morbidly obese leninites
>>98611040>i-it's true!!!keep crying
>>98611036I use black primer but I've used light grey before and found it to be pretty nice, but I'm just lazy and I like building up from black for metallics and such. I've used white for special cases too.
I want more primaris Firstborn trash can go to horusbheresy
>>98611052The way you type is so desperate for people to believe you, I think you know I'm right
>>98611043Valrak said it's getting a new kit. We'll see this monday anyways.
Everyday I thank god for not making me like vanilla marines.
>>98611053I mean brands and rattle can vs airbrush
I don't know why marines have so many infantry types, they should have more vehicles that can actually be different stuff
>>98611036I got black as my first brush on primer. I don't remember if was the only one available at the time or not.
>>98611058Yes I'm the desperate one not the poser desperately trying to convince people that there's a giant consumer movement to bring back squatty marines and not understanding why he's being called a redditor
>>98611054Genuinely what makes someone have this vitriol for the things that defined and made popular the faction they supposedly enjoy?
>>98610999>churn out Primaris slop at such a rate that "weekly Space Marine release" becomes a memeThis is part of the door-in-the-face. The door was "you have to buy your entire army again" via Primaris marines replacing old ones. This was walked back to "you'll have to buy your army again in the future, but you can still use your old ones in the meantime." Then GW kept going full-steam-ahead with Primaris releases meant to replace the old ones, knowing that the negative press had been dodged via the walk-back of the squatting (at that time).From GW's perspective, it's not "bloat," it's "replacing the entire roster so these saps have to buy whole new armies.">or they genuinely believe they're too big to failThis is what I believe GW thinks of themselves with the CEO paraphrase; they think that they can make any decision and enough people will still buy the garbage because it says Games Workshop on it.
>>98611036colour forge trench brown spray can for my deserty marines, a light grey auto primer for almost everything else.
Is it time for GW to just split 40k into Age of Guilliman and The Old Imperium? People say "Horus Heresy" but that's a very specific much older thing that's only about Marines fighting Marines. What if I want to play the era of the Battle for Macragge with Firstborn Marines vs Tyranids? Or the Corinthian Crusade? Or the Second War for Armageddon? Or the War of the Beast? All of these things need Xenos, but also old Marines and not Primaris.So GW should just release a separate set of rules and make it another game - they can even re-use the same Horus Heresy core rules - and new kits for Firstborn with it, while Xenos will be compatible with both that and the regular streamlined 40k. Everyone is happy.
>>98610958If you dont want it to look like shit that is
>>98611014>>98611021Heresy 3.0 is an outright dead game from GW fucking it up, Old World which would have been up for the three years churn only got an updated rule book, and the other smaller systems are also seeing a “but y tho” response to edition churn. We are barely into 11th edition and the bulk of anyone having anything they feel like saying is some form of exasperation. Either from clear stat creep, units getting removed, prices, bad design and balance ideas, or other issues. 40K is not in a healthy place even if it can limp on simply through whales and getting tards to by the new thing for a few years.
>>98611078take a showerbrush your teeth touch grass
>>98611064I've used rustoleum for lots of stuff but I stick to army painter and GW for my models just in case. I just got an airbrush so that might be way more handy.
>>98611068I'm not even the anon who said that, although I agree with him. Funny, seems there's more of us than you?>not understanding why he's being called a redditorYeah because I don't go to reddit, you sound like the expert though, please enlighten us redditfag.
>>98611088>Heresy 3.0 is an outright dead game from GW fucking it upMemes. It's the best 40k related game since 4th edition.
>>98611093>seems there's more of us than you?Nope, because I'm not the original guy who called you a redditor either.Guess there's more of us than you?
>>98611083They'd have to kill off HH for that, they can only afford one niche passion project setting for old grogs at a time.
>>98611082I fuckin hate you
How many times a day does this anon sperg about primaris?
>>98611088>40K is not in a healthy placelmao record sales, record profits, growing player base, but you personally don't like it so it must be circling the drain.
>>98611082its interesting how everyone agreed that the fire coming from jump packs and stuff is blue
>>98611109>he thinks it's one anon
>>98611109Its not the one poster but its every day, in each thread
I hope they add more ogryn units to guard in 11th edition.
>>98611109you get this fake outrage three times a thread at minimum
>>98611113blue fire hotter than red fire, goes faster
>>98611111quints have spoken
>>98611113Blue fire is hotter than any other color of fireIt makes the most logical sense
>>98611120>fake outrageYeah dude no one is mad GW squatted their entire faction for fanfiction bigger marines it's all just performative to get clout on an anonymous imageboard where no one can even be identified.
>>98611132There he is now!
>>98611073Well Primaris is the reason behind GW's explosion in popularity, so ask the primaris haters
Remember most of the fake primaris support is just non-marine players who hate marines and are glad marine players got fucked.
>>98611065>entire lore idea is they are super soldiers able to fulfill almost any role needed. >old specialist only had different weapons and maybe some mild armor modifications to suit the job >now marines are in the German tank design theory of a thousand things to do every job and raising the question of why it isn’t just one thing doing the job. >meanwhile in the guard who are objectively a million different worlds and tactics everyone is from Cadia, Kreig, or maybe space Vietnam is they are feelingspicy.
>>98611109Roughly once or twice, today he already cried about terminators again.
>>98611073Primaris are marines. Firstborn are nothing, a shadow of what marines truly are.
>>98611140This has been disproven ten thousand times.If they were so popular this wouldn't be something people fight over in every thread for 10 years. Notice how none of the other factions that got updated have this problem?
>>98611127>>98611123Oh yeah good point i wonder if you could headcanon a reason for the color to be different like how some chemical rockets have a ruby red exhaust because of the reaction
>>98611119That's a big Ogryn.
>>98611159A loud minority is not the majority.
>>98611140Having multiple big video games releases and paying drivers to advertise them is what made GW explode. GW execs have always been retarded and out of touch. Multimedia empires are successful because they are multimedia.
>>98611159The only people outside of 4chan who cry about firstborn are literal furfags who shill for tortuga bay
>>98611161For you
>>98611167>this post has been removed for violating community guidelines
>>98611159>I can't be wrong! If I'm wrong, why have I been arguing for the last 10 years?
>>98611167Even if it's a minority, if like 40% of players hate what happened to their faction GW fucked up and it's a mistake. Because almost all the people who bought primaris would still buy upscaled Firstborn, the hate wouldn't flip the other way.
>>98611083I need you to understand that nobody wants to fragment the game even more and I don't want to go play a different game to keep playing my favourite army that has been the posterboy of this game. If anything it should be primaris who should find something they actually like instead of ruining somethign that was already established.
>>98611170The big explosion of sales coincided with the end of 7e and the introduction of primaris though, and the main game that broke into mainstream (SM2) was also all about shilling Primaris
>>98611170all secondary media combined isn't even 15% of their profits per their own reports
>>98611160All that really matters is that it contrasts nicely with the rest of your scheme. It's space fantasy, use whatever colour you like. Cawl did some science.
>>98611176You haven't even been here for 10 years and have no idea how many people were shitting on Primaris during the 8th edition initial waves.
>>98611116Until primaris stop existing.
>>98611119if i pull that off will you die?
>>98611182>The big explosion of sales coincided with the end of 7e and the introduction of 8eFixed that for you
>>98611170GW deciding to blow up fantasy right along side Toal War Warhammer actively bringing in a huge level of interest to the setting after GW’s own mismanagement was killing it is a prime example >oh shit this is cool and it has a table top game with it? >yeah sorry we killed that off actually, but you can play this vaguely related thing that occasionally name drops factions and characters from the other thing >wut?
>>98611191It'd be very painful
>>98611189Based
>>98611177>if like 40% of playersit's literally just you, wherever you go the same paypigs that bought marines before are still buying marines now and there are more than ever.
>>98611182The 500 other things that happened at the same time don't count? 99% of primaris sales are from new players that would have bought any marine they were shown because,well, they are new. They have no idea what was before.
>>98611160>could headcanon a reason for the color to be different>some chemical rockets have a ruby red exhaust because of the reactionYou gave the headcanon reason.>red? strontium chloride>orange? calcium chloride>yellow? sodium chloride>green? barium chloride>blue? no change or copper>purple? potassium chloride>white? magnesium or aluminumThis is high school chemistry, at least it was for me. You can always asspull whatever, it's sci-fi.
>>98611202See>>98611090
>>98611116Even normies that started this shit during the memedemic bitch and moan about primaris.After all sales are not relevant indicator, we are in tournamentfag territory now and those insane fuckers will buy anything that is remotely meta.The amount of second hand GSC I've got thanks to the random moments they have been meta is absurd.
>>98611218>Even normies that started this shit during the memedemic bitch and moan about primaris.and other delusions to joke about
>>98611212You don't even go outside. Everyone I know shits on primaris. 40k is only still alive because of the non-marine factions getting good updates, like Tyranids, Sisters, Necrons, or the Marine players I know just proxying Horus Heresy models or still running their old Firstborn that they already have painted up before Primaris.
In the real world every single person that collects primaris just thinks the proportions are better and that bladeguard helmets are cool. So every other change was completely unnecessary.
Primaris just look cooler to people who weren't already invested in the game and have no attachment to the "iconic" marine look.
>>98611225Take your meds
>>9861122540k is still alive because gigachads like henry cavill dispelled the stink you and your friends leave hanging around every time you walk out of the lgs
>>98611229This. Which is why I keep reiterating that if GW upscaled Firstborn all those guys would buy those too, but also all the people that hate Primaris would buy them, it would just print GW money.Case in point the Terminators in the 10th edition box. That box was GWs best selling producted ever in the history of the company by a landslide by their own admission. Interesting how they have not said anything to that effect for the 11th box.
>>98611218>sales are not relevant indicatorthen marines have never been popular
I'm new but I prefer the new models and poses, the lore is retarded though
>>98611231Touch grass retard. All you do is sit on your fat ass in a basement all day watching tournament shit on youtube which is not representative of the actual fanbase, you don't know what real average 40k players at the local stores are like. Primaris aren't popular.
>>98610264It really is. Just keep the mould and QC good and its still timeless. >>98611109I don't even own a single marine but even I can see how much firstborns mog Primaris on the table top.
>>98611086Can we see your models fren?
>>98611225>Everyone I know shits on primarisFitting, because you know noone.When lying you're meant to make the lie believable.You'll find primaris pigs in every 40k community, no exception.
>>98611218>Even normies that started this shit during the memedemic bitch and moan about primaris.No, they don't.
>>98611230What makes them look cooler apart from proportions?
>>98611248trying too hard
>>98611255Saying things like this just makes you look more out of touch given that I know I'm telling the truth. You're so doubtful because you're projecting your own experience of having no friends. I've been playing 40k for decades and made a lot of buddies in the community and primaris are more hated than not.
FAGGOTS ANNOUNCE THE CODEX ROADMAP ALREADY I DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE SAME DETACHMENT ANYMORE IMMA NUKE THE NOTTINGHAM
>>98611258Ah the classic "I've been fucking destroyed and have no other response" tactic. As soon as I'm right and you can't think of anything else to say the other guy is "trying too hard" lmfao.
>>98611242>pretending to not understand
>>98611266Saying things like this just makes you look more out of touch given that I know I'm telling the truth. You're so doubtful because you're projecting your own experience of having no friends. I've been playing 40k for decades and made a lot of buddies in the community and primaris are more loved than not.
>>98611266>>98611272 ntayou're pretending to be over 40 and still getting this mad over toys on the internet
>>98611268Play 3rd/4thEven the fucking citadel journal rules are more fun than this boring shit of an edition
>>98611276>being this childishLol, you know you've lost.
So which Guard/Marine tanks could I proxy this guy as?
>>98611242He’s not wrong. We genuinely have no idea when the hobby has been so bogged down by mega fags and retarded zoomers as to if something is popular or just broken on the table at any given moment. Eldar where THE army people brought during early 10th because GW apparently can’t write rules worth a fuck. Had Eldar secretly been super popular? Not really, but they where busted to shit. Was the new defiler popular? Fuck knows it was instantly out of stock so tourney fags could run three of them in an army and it’s stayed out of stock since.You could’ve sell the worst looking model possible, but if it had a guaranteed win statline it would stay out of stock
>>98611281>manchild throwing fit over taller spacemen calling others childish
>>98611281Meant for >>98611101
>>98611277>retard unable to do simple math>"toys on the internet"
>causes the mentally ill to spiral into a sputtering seethe in your path
>>98611285Eldar ARE popular, and people WERE hyped for the defiler even before rules dropped.
>>98611286>manchild throwing fit over shorter spacemen etc etcSee I can do it too.
>>98611277>you should not care about things>just let me destroy the things you like>why do you care, it just toysNot that anon, but this kind of discourse gets old fast.
>>98611289>>98611301I dont need to get my way, I enjoy the toys I haveYou are a failed male with no prospects in life so you need to cry about your toys online every day for 9 years
Shitposter-kun getting so assblasted while defending primaris he's samefagging with a phone and computer at the same time lmfao.
>firstbornfag is the shitposter who always projects his shitposting onto others when he's out of steamwhat a shock!
>>98611284>on a baseNot a guard tank
>>98611308Doing that projecting again! You understand that when you say things that I know are obviously not true I can tell it's coming from you looking in the mirror, right?
>>98611298People are really miss the GSC part of the OP.I've seen it even my third world country. Random armies being sold as soon they get nerfed.
>>98611279>citadel journal rulesWhat are those?
>>98611324I don't throw daily fits over slightly taller toys, that's (you)
>>98611317>the shitposter who always projects his shitposting onto othersThat's been you from the beginning and I've seen multiple other anons notice it over the past few weeks, you're really becoming a noticeable stain on the threads. Hell I'm not even the person that named you "shitposter-kun", you've become that identifiable.
>>98611290Primaris are 9-10 feet tall, firstborn are 7-8 ft.
>>98611332>slightly taller toys
>>98611335Look, you're doing it again!
>>98611341NTAThat fallacy doesn't apply here
>>98611330GW had White Dwarf and Citadel Journal. The journal was more of a hobby thing than the brand new thing of White Dwarf
>>98611312Noticing that he stopped doing it after this post kek
>>98611284hammerhfall bunkerpredatorvindicator
>>98611349There are still multiple people laughing at your temper tantrum
>>98611290fixed that for you
>>98611355No one buys it retard, you try way too hard and I've never seen anyone project as hard as you, it's now easy to tell it's you posting because of it.
>>98611312>Shitposter-kun getting so assblasted while defending primaris he's samefagging with a phone and computer at the same time lmfao.defending? you mean attacking
>>98611362by giving the viewer astigmatism?
>>98611330Mostly hobby rules, tips and tricks.White Dwarf would tell you about this new model and maybe give you some rules.The Citadel Journal would sometimes go "lol here have an entire army rule for an army that never got rules"
>>98611363Meds, unironically
>>98611363You don't genuinely believe you can identify anonymous posters do you
>manlet marines finally squattedall those people who don't play the game are gonna be so mad
>>98611368He likes to create fake scenarios in his head to pretend like he’s winning or else he’d kill himself.
>>98611285>Eldar where THE army people brought during early 10th becausethey just got a massive refresh with awesome new models
>I LOVE BOLTERS, BUT IF THEY'RE SLIGHTLY LONGER I HATE THEM!>THERE'S A 7' MANLET IN THAT TERMINATOR ARMOR I SWEAR!>NOBODY BUYS PRIMARIS, 40K LIVES THANKS TO XENOSFAGS ONLY!>EVERYONE MAKING FUN OF ME IS THE SAME PERSON, I'M NOT CRAZY!>ME AND ALL MY FRIENDS PLAY FIRSTBORN, NO YOU CAN'T SEE PICS!
>>98611393that refresh was almost 2 years into the edition
Once again the mini of the month is not an intercessor...
>>98611203Extremely so, in fact.
>>98611411That's because a primaris marine is the mini of the edition, every edition, anyway.
>>98611362Primaris are at least a foot taller than firstborn.
>>98611411And they're scrubbing the program for something stupider next month.
>>98611421>primaris and female stormcast paired togetherWhat did GW mean by this?
>>98611422They are one foot apart in that picture, the firstborn is shorter than 220cm by a few cm and the primaris is taller than 240, especially because he's not standing upright completely.
>>98611421That is an odd looking Custodes model
>>98611083At this point yes. Setting the Primaris larpers aside, there are people who get genuinely, violently annoyed at the mere idea of models more than a few years old still being in the game. They want 40K to play like a zoomer card game of pull off power combos and gotchas, swap armies as they rotate in and out of the meta, and treat anything from the previous edition as ready for the incinerator.At the same time the game itself sits in a completely different design space. GW doesn’t want 40K to be the things that made it iconic. They want the new stuff to be the face of the game and are starting to actively force older units out so they can’t compete with their modern abominations.I mentioned this a few threads ago, but expanding the Heresy into some arbitrary point before the current timeline just folding in all the factions left out of the original Heresy and using the Heresy ruleset would be a win-win.>The zoom zoom fags can rocket into whatever awful new shit GW vomits out.>People who want pre-8th edition back in a modern, supported ruleset get what they want.>And GW gets to sell the old molds they’ve had sitting around again.The only real downside I see is that if you give 40K players a clean way to break off from the main system, 40K’s player numbers probably tank. And a lot of Heresy players won’t love the bulk of their games suddenly being against 40K armies that they’re based off a single line in a book 30K forces never saw. Imagine the poor fucker who went out of his way to make a last stand of the loyalist on Istvan III only able to find CSM, Orks, or random post Heresy chapters to play against. That guy will be the real loser if GW tries to save the system from its current nose dive by becoming 40K The Old World
>>98611431> What did GW mean by thistheyre adding a personal hygiene rule to tournaments like yugioh did OGs are up in arms
>>98611421>female sanguinary guard on footGW pls
>>98611435You are mentally ill
>>98611432This firstborn model is clearly bigger than the primaris model anon.
>>98611431That they can't make female marines without massive pushback so the token fantasy marine is always female to compensate.and also every 40k faction that has women must overrepresent them to compensate.
>>98611435cool chatGPT post!
>>98611384I'm not really happy about the units I like being deleted from the game, anon. I don't know why that's such a controversial opinion to have.
>>98611454The Chaos and Loyalist command squads get random female models for some fucking reason.
>>98611451nu uh
>>98611458Do you not have friends to play past editions with?
>want to post about the game>The furry is having his threadly melty*sigh*
>>98611398>I LOVE BOLTERS, BUT IF THEY'RE SLIGHTLY LONGER I HATE THEM!I do hate when they change something that I like and that has been consistent for the past 40 years. Especially when they keep showing how unnecessary the change is. I don't like change for the sake of change, much less for the things I already like how they are.
>>98611464>post a non miniatureI accept your defeat.
>>98611469>40 yearslarp larp larp
>>98611435>>98611363>>98611335>>98611225Genuinely get help, you're starting to sound even more delusional than the fecalfag.
>>98611465No. Most people don't want to spend money or time on warhammer. And the few that do, don't want to play old editions where their army or units of their army that they like aren't playable because they didn't exist yet.
>>98611470It isn't a miniature why does it have a game appropriate round base? The one you posted isn't even painted.Checkmate.
>>9861147339 years my bad. I don't know how that makes the point any less true.
>>98611473First 40k was release around 39 years ago. Think on this September it would 40.
Why does 40k not have a collection of its release history documented somewhere like how AOS/Fantasy does. I want to rape your community for being so incompetent.
>>98611484>game appropriate round base>clearly bigger than 32mmGrasping at straws anon.
>>98611469People already told you that the change is to keep the bolter proportionally big to the now bigger primaris.A normal bolter in the hand of a primaris looks like a pistol, like in your picture.
>>98611468Is the anti Primaris guy a furry too?
>>98611485>>98611486bolters were changed 9 years ago retard-kun
>>98611489GW deletes it. For some fucking reason GW goes out of their way to delete 40k related things.
>>98611490>>clearly bigger than 32mmThat's because he's a special character, retard, haven't you seen the tactical rubble?
>>98611489The vast majority of shit this old faggot is crying about needing to retvrn to deserves to be forgotten
>>98611495Hi fecal, kill yourself.
>>98611450Yeah GW would never ever want to create a system where the entire business model for them is selling old out of production molds to players who prefer the older system. Nah they would much rather just let molds sit around talking up space and gathering dust. Not making easy money is their stated objective as a business.
>>98611489lexicanum maintains one>>98611495Yeah, you can see his posts on reddit about his space wolf army
>>98611496Yes and? Is not like GW does not make mistakes.
>>98611257knee flanges
>>98611454>massive pushbackLiterally nothing would happen. /40kg/ would grumble about it while the threads are basically unusable due to all the infighting for like 2-4 weeks and then move on and bitch about something else, and after that it just becomes sometimes that only gets mentioned occasionally to people to grumble about.Here is the undeniable truth:GW and 40k are genuinely too big to fail. Literally nothing will happen to them.GW oes not care what you or anyone else thinks. If they want to do something they will do so and there is nothing me, you or anyone else can do.
>>98611508So, not 40 years you fucking RETARD
What's the lore with fecal living in a car in Alaska? I thought he was in arkansas or something. Nigga's gonna freeze, winter is already starting here.
>>98611469God those look goofy on primaris.
>>98611511>GW and 40k are genuinely too big to fail.Wonder how long will it take to enter the Star Wars and Star Trek phase.
>>98611514Not sure if dense or just bad faith.Not even the original anon.
>>98611496Bolters were changed a long long time ago.
>>98611496And? Boltguns are still being made and they still look like the same old boltguns. That's the point.
>>98611511>Literally nothing would happen.Wrong.
>>98611534god EC look like such fucking trash it's unrealhow did this make it beyond the first pass
>>98611480You just have to go back one. It can't be that hard.
>>98611541I'm not following you.
>>98611511>GW and 40k are genuinely too big to fail.Actual bullshit. Guaranteed money printers actively bleed money these days. GW is near constantly finding ways to test peoples patience anymore. Majorly fumble an edition and they are fucked.
>>98611534That's not a bolter, THIS is a bolter.
>>98611549Picture unrelated I suppose.
>>98611549I'm not arguing about this again.
>>98611480>go back to old editions >stuff you like didn’t have rules yet >or they where awful that edition>play modern 40K >half your stuff got removed from the game this or last edition.We are going to be at a point where the bulk of the game just isn’t playable in any edition aren’t we?
>>98611556Good, you're finally learning to not shit up our general
>>98611561whos we
>>98611088>Heresy 3.0 is an outright dead game from GW fucking it upQuote from man who never played Heresy 2.0.3.0 isn't perfect but it would be genuinely hard to make something worse thsn 2.0. Honestly 3.0 is what I wish 8th edition was.
>>98609447I finally realised it's some contrast paint that seems to have leaked but thank you anon
>>98611561>going to
Do you think Perturabo is traumatized enough to keep his brother in stasis?
>>98611579>Honestly 3.0 is what I wish 8th edition was.It is a way better path for the modernization of 40k than copying AoS.
>>98611549Why would any of the bolters have scopes? Kind of feel like the helmet would handle that and would actually be awkward to use with the scope. Or is the marine supposed to take off his helmet to use the scope?
>>98611561>stuff you like didn’t have rules yet>or they where awful that editionHouse rule them? editions like 3rd/4th are easy as hell to modify and since the game was mostly the same from 3rd to 7th.Hell even 8th to 9th you can back port thing easily since the stat line is just missing imitative
>>98611502Hey fuck you I posted this originallyThey have sovl!
>>98611290marines are 7 ft (2-2.1m) tall
>>98611556Because you can't.
>>98611585>Perturabo: Hello, Rogal. It’s me, Perturabo—your brother.>Dorn: ...>Perturabo: I just wanted to tell you what I did today; say something if you don't want to listen.>Dorn: ...>Perturabo: I destroyed one of your sons' fortresses again. Do you know why?>Dorn: ...>Perturabo: BECAUSE I AM BETTER THAN YOU! ADMIT IT, BROTHER!>Dorn: ...>PERTURABO: I HATE YOU!
>>98611561If I (a random anon) was to make a game that takes some things from nu-40k and make a ruleset inspired by old-40k would anons play it?
>>98611587To look cool.Because redundant systems prevent getting stuck when one fails.Because the integrated targeting may not have the same magnifying capabilities as the scope.Because the helmet connects to the scope when it's present.
>>98611618Please base it on 7e with modernized concepts.
>>98611290Why is the guardsman measured at the head and the marines are measured at the shoulder?>>98611610Your pic shows then at 8ft despite having a wide stance
>>98611615Because they are different weapons no matter how you try to spin it.
>>98611610>1 starts at 0
>>98611451>the primaris plasma rifle is the same size as the =][= scale bolter >somehow the truescaler gun is tenytiny lol
>>98611546>GW is near constantly finding ways to test peoples patience anymore.And people buy their shit regardless.>Majorly fumble an edition and they are fucked.People have been saying this same shit for like 15 years at this point.Nothing ever happens.
>>98611618>would anons playno
>>98611636The countdown starts from 1 to 8, saar
>>98611454>and also every 40k faction that has women must overrepresent them to compensate.Imperialfags are the only people who bitch about women in their armies, presumably because they get in the way of some homoerotic fantasy. Chaos and xenosfags don't give a shit in my experience.
>>98611615Heavy boltrifles are cool. I like that they look like a marksman's bolter/DMR.
>>98611652uh why?
>>98611634Why 7e specifically?My current idea is to take stuff like advancing, dispositions, detachments from 11, with stats, FOC and a bunch of other stuff from ~4e.
>>98611658The guy who drew the scale was a retard saar. He still set the scale. Marines are 7 foot, primaris are 7"6.
>>98611653There are currently less female models in the GSC model line than in the marine line.
>>98611658You may ask Jes about that
Least favorite Necron Dynasty? Mine is Nihilakh. I hate them!!!
>>98611610>7 heads tallNo wonder they look so fucking stumpy lol
>>98611660I’m not the anon you asked originally but the one that recommended 7e.7e felt like it had the best mix of flavor and crunch. Sure, there was an insane range of power across the factions but there was still fun to be had even when my GK and DE were getting BODIED by turn 2.
>>98611666No theyre 8ft when you consider that the ground they stand on is always 1ft tall thanks to their tactical rock
I keep buying plastic but it’s not filling the hole inside of meWill buying a slaaneshi kit work? I was thinking of maybe picking up some flawless blades on the side
>that one mentally ill anti-ECfag is still lurking
>>98611653Eldar are the only ones that can get away with not bitching about women because elves are fundamentally more feminine, so the inclusion of women fits them.Orks and necrons would have problems if they suddenly started adding female orks to the ork boys kits and female necrons to the necron warriors.Votann and chaos cultists are infinitely worse because of the inclusion of women in their faction.Tau get away with making them barely any different to stop tau gooners.
>>98611676Because you're counting Titus' Harem and your angry he's fucking people other than his fellow battle brothers.
What would the best way to go about solohammerMy work schedule prevents me from going to in store things and all my friends are normies
>>98611519Let's hope so.
>>98611658Because jes fucked and started counting from 1 instead of 0, and rolled with it instead of cancelling shit.
>>98611469>I do hate when they change somethingThat’s because you have autism.
>>98611697Try painting the plastic.
>>98611703A couple threads back we had someone posting some solohammer. it looked fun, just need two armies and some terrain
How normal of a life could a regular citizen of the imperium live? Like could you go your whole life without ever hearing about a Space Marine or an Ork or a Tyrannnid etc?
>>98611703Go full autism and actively build an entire overly convoluted narrative as you actively try to one up yourself with both armies in the campaign. Like actively play like you are a warlord trying to outwit your greatest foe.
>>98611722YeahIt probably happensThe universe is vast and there are tons of lost civilizations that have no contact with the Imperium
>>98611712I paint daily
>>98611701Literally no one would care if they made a female necron character. A skeleton is a skeleton and undeath as a fantasy archetype is riddled with women.
>>98611722Considering that most imperial worlds do not seem to be shitholes. Yes
>>98611731I would possibly not like female necrons lol
>>98611703Randomly generated army lists, asymmetrical scenarios, and heavy roleplay (in the sense that you immerse yourself in what a given side is supposed to know and take actions exclusively based on that instead of metagaming) with real fog of war and secret objectives.Or you write complex flowcharts for how the non-player-army moves and acts and selects targets.This way the game turns into a puzzle to solve rather than an opponent to beat, and a self unfolding narrative.
>>98611706Do you love it when something that you like changes for no reason and the thing you like stops existing?
>>98611676>saboteur>she-magus>2 atalan Jackals>Jackal Alphus>Ridgerunner's spotter>BenefictusAm I missing anyone?
>>98609357CSM still has Vashtorr’s Crab Farm.
>>98611731I didn't say character for a reason.
>>98611722Depends world to world.Sure some all you know is suffering before dying at the ripe old age of 14 from an industrial accident or some trench on a foreign world. Plenty would be the equivalent of living in a modern day authoritarian state.Don’t shit talk state religion, the state, or the war effort and you can live your meaningless life in peace and the most war you ever see is the PDF ships dealing with some random ork raiders trying to come in the system.
>>98611744Lucky you things have changed for good reasons here and the thing you liked is now made objectively better in every way!
I like orks :D
>>98611751I could get this pregnant.
huh, interesting. Chief Librarian Tigurius does not grant the unit he joins an invuln save, he cannot join hellblasters or infernus, and he cannot take the Fusillade (or any other) enhancement since he's an epic character. He grants them stealth and he makes overwatch cost 1 compoint less which are nice, but between the two I think I'll take regular librarians. Especially since I happen to be shopping for characters for hellbalsters and infernus. What an odd rule, that he can't join those when a regular librarian can.
>>98611731Trying to force one of the warriors to look female would look really really dumb since you would have to try and force a female design out of them when all the base necrons all look alike and are mindless. I could buy any necron wifh a rank having feminie details because for whatever reason all the sentient necrons do look different from each other.
>>98611744>for no reasonI think its for readability on the tabletop>stops existingThey still exist? All your models probably have them and you can still buy a ton of them onlineThats just part of life man shit changes and moves forward
>>98611751It might be possible for me to impregnate this
>>98608196Is it time for me to install 40k mods and post screenshots of my character with a stubber?
>>98611751There’s no way this could get pregnant.
>>98611722The Imperium has about a one-to-one ratio of planets and Marines. You're probably never seeing one and likely not hearing about them beyond prayers involving His Angels of Death if you don't live on a recruiting world or important warzone. The general culture also means that there are good odds you won't be literate and wouldn't have heard about most xenos until hours before they ate you.
>>98611751I would defy biology and get this thing pregnant
>>98611722The majority of humans in the galaxy live on hiveworlds, not because their are loads of hiveworlds but because a single hive spire can hold 10+ billion people and a hive world typically has a dozen.Hive worlds are miserable shitholes to live on so the standard imperial life is one of miserable tedium. Imagine real life in a ghetto but with more crime, more mandatory religious festivals and worse food. Thats your average imperial life.Things might be better if you're lucky enough to not be born on a hiveworld, or thry might just be a different sort of bad.Certainly tho most imperials go their whole life with the biggest threat to their life being their own government and not any aliens, cults or kooky demons. Marines might as well be a myth to your average imperial.
>>98611685I've not looked into 7th, but I'll see what it's like. I was already planning to use Keywords and USRs to make the game a little more flavourful without trying to add a rule to every unit like nu-40k.
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>>98611503I didn’t even do anything
>>98609005Make them exclusively Ordo Assasinorum stuff, imagine Custodes but on 10 lines of meth.
>>98611744I'm indifferent to it because I know change is inevitable.And if I no longer truely like something, I just move on and don't look back.
>>98609048I like how the show jokes about things looking the same, but they still went and gave each one a different statsheet. Regular show's baller.
>>98611592You can house rule things, of course, but it still piles extra work onto everyone else at the table.>Hey man let’s play 4th edition, 11th sucks.>Sure let me grab my dudes>Uh… my favorite unit/entire army doesn’t have rules. What’s the deal?>Oh yeah, we’ll just homebrew it. Don’t worry, most of my stuff didn’t have official rules yet either.>…..Some people are happy to go full autism and write a complete fan codex from scratch. Most guys just want to throw dice and hangout after working all week especially if they have family stuff going on like my guys. At worst they check out entirely because why bother learning an older system and inventing rules for it when they could just play 11th or like you semi suggested go only a couple editions back? Which might even end up being what going back to old editions means, a lot of people started 7th/8th over 3rd/4th. Going back to old hammer might end up being slightly home rules 7th soon.That and not everyone really gets what makes a game tick either. Start adding homebrew and you end up with guys trying to port modern rules straight over, not realizing an 11th edition statline would be completely broken even a few editions earlier.One of my friends in particular is very bad for this. Even if you can fully recreate a character he likes in an older edition (or a different system), it’s not the same to him unless the official stat card specifically has that character’s name and the abilities he expects so he will just refuse the entire idea.
>>98611744>tfw the new codex comes out and my old models crumble to dust after James hits the kill switchNOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>98611817I just care about things I like.
>>98610815On one hand, the armor stays ON when GMan plaps eldar pussyOn the other hand, i need that ultramarine pajama.
>>98611435>>98611450>>98611504BADAB WAR SIDEGAMEUSE YOUR FIRSTBORNFIRSTBORN WILL LATER BE UPDATED TO TRUESCALE FIRSTBORN
>>98611751>flayer queenJohnny what the fuck
