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>>98608099Collage theme: Psykers
>posting the m versionbased FUCKING phoneposter
Stompa bros...
>>98608127>1500 pts army>2 stompasBased
>>98608099>TQTerrain if it's not on the vote already. I don't remember seeing it the other day when I voted but I could also just be a fucking retard.
>>98608127Even at 700 points now its still much better than it was at 600 points pre-codex.
>>98608127C'mon man, it's permanently in the WAAAGH all game now.
>>98608127will this be the first edition where the stompa is somewhat playable?
>>98608127the real its ova
>>98608162>+15 +20Wait, why was 10 boys 75pts and 20 boys 160pts instead of 150?
>>98608166maybe the old version didnt get a second nob and/or special weapon
why is the incestor's transport capacity smaller than the rhino's if they've got the same space in their dumptruck?
>>98608162>10 retards in flakk armour with average melee and meme shooting are 90 points.I can only assume most of that is the boss nob. Some things never change.
>>98608174because le spec ops operating behind enemy lines truck
>>98608173But this one does?
>>98608132All the new CSM infantry is about a head bigger than the old models. Terminators are the same size as their old models. For some reason they didn't fix the scale of terminators for CSM but did for every other model (including terminators for 30k and DG terminators)
>>98608174Because the impulsor isn't an ATV.
>>98608174What the fuck is that double stubber turret attached too.
>>98608176Anon have you been living under a rock? The Boyz datasheet is extremely powerful, just look at what the old version was doing in 11th already to justify green tide going to 3dp
>>98608174The rhino has been 10 capacity because at the time it was used by everyone, including guardsmen and marines weren't that much bigger. They never updated it. with the impuslor, however, they made it to scale and as you can see the transport capacity is shown on the model by the seats with wall plugs.Also the impuslor is not just a primaris rhino, it's also half razorback.
>>98608176>average melee3 attacks at S5 AP-1 a piece is average? Assault intercessors get half of that for the same points.
>>98608174they're slightly different, if they upscale the rhino a bit to the impulsor's proportions they can justify the extra space because it's got a shorter snout and pilots cabin.
>>98608174I scream every time I see marines with stubbers.
>>98608180I hope one day we get a remake of the old ones.
>>98608191>and marines weren't that much biggerMarines have been 7+ feet tall since the early 90s. Every single vehicle is smaller than it should be for gameplay reasons.
>>98608176@Gork, is that image real?
>>98608196I like stubbers, but not like this. I think marines should be able to take stubbers and hellguns.GW tried to appeal to the burger market by getting rid of the trusty stormbolter and replacing it by a not-ma deuce.The bigger crime is what they did to assault cannons, replacing them with generic fucking miniguns.
>>98608201>early 90sGood thing the rhino was released in 88, you fucking cretin.
>>98608182>All the new CSM infantry is about a head bigger than the old models.Not all of them, some are bloated by chaos, others are as small as normal firstborn, the newer HH marines and terminators are specifically smaller than primaris too.
>>98608196See people bitch about the knee flanges and shit on primaris and not the actual problems like every primaris vehicle having 12 useless chip damage guns each. making their shooting phase last for six years.
>>98608212And the current kit is from 2002. And the 30k deimos rhino was released in 2022 for the upscaled marines and it's the exact same size. Your point?
Fucking lmao, they just deleted equatorial hordes detachment.How long did it exist? A month?
>>98608221nta but people complaining about A doesn't mean they like B.>Reee, my personal hung ups first!!!No, there is no line, you can complain at the same time as everyone else.
>>98608188The boys datasheet is extremely powerful because boss Nob's are absurd and Marines haven't gotten their T5 good boy boost yet.Against the overwhelming majority of infantry going from S4 to S5 doesn't do anything. It only affects space marines who are getting +1 Toughness next month anyway.Except marines are also getting S5 on all their S4 shit so Boy durability will go down substantially and their damage output won't change at all.We're back to the era of the 11 wound boss nob (12 now). He's just swapped out his claw for a big choppa.
>>98608220>the newer HH marines and terminators are specifically smaller than primaris too.I never said they were the size of primaris, I said they are bigger than the updated CSM terminators because for some reason those weren't made bigger than the old models so they look tiny and aren't representative of the new scale for non-primaris terminators. The new cataphractii is like a head taller than the 2019 CSM terminator. The super henchback pose every model has doesn't help either.
>>98608186One picture doesn't have the canopy with the mount attached. You leave it off if you want the option to put the gladiator sections on it for a real tank. Also imo it just looks better more open.
>>98608196You can circumcise them if you're used to that.
>>98608235>and their damage output won't change at all.Choppas went from S4 in 10th to S5 in 11th though. And lethal hits everywhere. And sustained in green tide.
>>98608235>He's just swapped out his claw for a big choppa.Keep the claw and add a kombi rokkit.
>>98608224>why is the rhino 10?>Because when it released it could fit ten>B-but some time later marine got big>Yeah, later, you mongol>B-BUT LATER KITS??Holy shit you actually are retarded, aren't you?I explained to you that the rhino could fit 10 marines originally because 10 marines could fit and they didn't update the capacity despite the updates.What do you not understand? What is your major malfunction, pal?
>>98608111some of us are lazy fat chuds who can’t be assed to go on the computer to post images. that’s just how it is.
Are the monthly points updates over? I wanna know if the ork points are gonna last until christmas.
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98608283I hate that this makes me laugh, everytime. It's just funny stupid and stupid funny.
>>98608257rhinos got updated to 12
>>98608257Anon he's baiting you.
>>98608291They made it worse, yeah
>>98608244>S4 to S5>still wounds eldar on 3's, still wounds regular humans on 3's, still wounds death guard on 5's, still wounds custodes on 5'sThe only advantage S5 has over S4 currently is against space marines (And Votann but who cares).We know, for a FACT. That space marines are getting +1 Strength and Toughness on everything in power armour except the shinlets. We can presume Terminator armour is going to T6 but thats not confirmed.Meaning S5 is going to stop being a relevant buff over what S4 was last edition. Because we'll go from wounding marines on a 4+ last edition to wounding marines on a 4+ this edition.The price of one month of orks wounding space marines on a 3+ is going to be three years of space marines wounding orks on a 4+.
>>98608301Pretending is still retarded.>implying
I count a grand total of...2 units with wargear costs>Battlewagon: Wargear Costs RemovedSo much for that bullshit of them coming back. Sigh, second edition skipped in a row then. I was kind of looking forward to coming back too.
>>98608176Nazdreg was such a letdown.
>>98608306Eh there's lots of T5 stuff out there though, it matters against that too
>>98608312>he keeps biting the naked hook and getting mad for it
just woke up from a dream where a flayed one was slowly walking up to me, presumably to flay my skin, but then I told him “those [skin wraps] look like shit.” then he looked really embarrassed and skulked away.
>>98608334You can tell they do that because they only ever wear white skin.
>>98608334>your fit ass, yo>battleshock'dkek
So what do people think about the leaked new ork codex? Is sovl back?I'm asking as a sigmarfag because 4th edition is utterly flavourless and I assume 11th edition 40k will be a decent indicator of what's to come in 5th
>>98608316That's such a tiny, irrelevant thing to avoid the game over.
>>98608306>Meaning S5 is going to stop being a relevant buff over what S4 was last edition.Point is that boyz didn't have S5 in 10th so their melee didn't get worse, it's the same against marines and better in general.
>>98608360Shit is gonna get worse because GW can't keep good rule writers from leaving.
>>98608360>leakedIt's available now broWe just got points today
>>98608253No, we don't need hidden melee anti-vehicle like we used to, and the Big Choppa profile still looks favorable into MEQ or weaker targets. Big Choppa still kills 2 marines out of a 10 man on average, PK kills 1.
>>98608360did they end times your game yet or was that all a lie?
>>98608360>Is sovl back?It's more soulful than 10th but it's not there yet. A definitive improvement.
>>98608364Are they hiring any new ones?Asking for a friend.
>>98608326Votann, Tyranids and Necrons.It matters against Votann, Tyranids and necrons, All flavours of Eldar are T3, All baseline humans are T3 and now all marines are T5 so nothings changed there.Necrons, Orks and Votann were the only T5 armies in the game and if we're honest with ourselves Votann should be T4. Tyranids I believe have more variance in the toughness of their infantry than any other army. Most factions have a default infantry statblock with 1 or 2 outliers. For most armies in the game S5 and S4 might as well be the same thing. S6 is the big infantry break point.
>>98608235>He's just swapped out his claw for a big choppa Add shootas with lethal hits against infantry to that.Add lethal hits on charge with all of those choppas to that.Add a rokkit launcha and a big shoota and a skorcha to that, and make sure you remember that those models keep their choppas.Also, the boss can keep his claw. He also gets a combi shoota now.If you can't understand why 90 points is generously low then you're retarded anon
>>986083674 rokkits per squad is a real ranged threat though.
>>98608306>still wounds eldar on 3's, still wounds regular humans on 3's,OH NO MY BASIC BITCH INFANTRY UNIT DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY DELETE KARSKIN AND ASPECT WARRIORS ON CONTACT THE INJUTICE!!!
>>98608360Everything bad about modern 40k comes directly from AoS so reach your own conclussion.
>>98608371I don't know, I just know the good ones keep leaving
>>98608382They still will delete them if they get to charge.
>>98608316Nah I don't appreciate being retroactively made a fool for having kitted out units to be cheaper, and I don't care for this awful choice ofa) Fully equip every guardsman squad so that you're resolving four different sets of attacks every time they shootb) Gimp yourself by passing up extra firepower you're still paying for
>>98608257Rhinos could never fit 10 marines in it. Vehicles have always been way too small in 40k.
Why does the 9th edition captain with relic shield look so much better than the new 11th edition one?
>>98608383AoS played better than 40k nogames.
>>98608390MEant to reply to >>98608361
>>98608363We used to get +1 strength in Waaagh, when Marines were T4. We therefore already had S5 in melee and it was more effective against them then than it will be now.
>>98608393It includes a model from an actually interesting faction, so they had to step up the quality of the marine so it wouldn't be outshadowed.
>>98608375Yea I didn't say a word about the kombi-rokkit, do as you please there.
There's too much toxic positivity among the ork player communityif someone's conversion/kitbash looks like shit people should tell them
>>98608365I legit have no idea, heard it got leaked earlier.>>98608369Whatever's going to happen will happen in 5th edition, so next summer. The leaker who broke all this news in the first place has already walked a bunch of shit back so things are looking not quite as apocalyptic. Definitely a shakeup though, but not quite end times in terms of impact. I would compare it to what happened in 40k at the end of 7th / beginning of 8th. But without primaris.>>98608370Alright, that's good to know.
>>98608393the pose is atypical, the shield is atypical, the base is atypical and the helmet is atypicalmeanwhile the new one has a generic pose, a generic helmet, a generic shield and a generic tactical rock
>>98608416that looks sick thoughbeit
>>98608416it's so retarded it wraps around to being based again
>>98608416nah
How many of you own 3d printed models?
>>98608391what if a vehicle's total transport capacity represented both getting inside the thing and advancing rapidly behind the thing?
>>98608363I didn't say boyz melee got worse, I said it was average melee. Wounding most infantry on a 3 or a 4 with AP-1 and 2~3 attacks per model is the bare minimum you want on a melee battleline. Anything less than that does not belong in melee.>>98608373>ShootasMeme guns, they've been a meme for decades and auto wounding isn't gonna change that in an edition where cover literally halves your chance to hit.>rokkit and big shootaWe had those already. New cover has made them worse than they were in 10th, the skorcha is nice tho.>The boss nobs.Are insane I agree. That's why we're back to the tried and true ork tactic of ablative boyz for the boss nob. He's just swapped his old claw out for a Big Choppa.
>3DP detachments get two dispositions nowHoly hell thank God! Now do it for all the other factions GW
>>98608386With how popular board games are on crowdfunding I'm not surprised, if you're a good writer you can just use "worked on warhammer/40" in your pitch and make actual profit on your work rather than be a wageslave for GW
>>98608410If you get the big choppa you can't use a ranged weapon.
>>98608447It's not average melee my dude. Most units don't come close to that. Not even melee marines get close to that for those points.
>>98608382>"bro you don't get it, you went from S4 to S5, BIGGER NUMBER."Because of how the S/T formula works the jump from S4 to S5 does literally nothing to most infantry in the game.>"EUGH YOU JUST WANT TO WOUND EVERYTHING ON A 2+"No I don't, S6 on a basic battleline would be fucking disgusting. I'm just saying S5 is not a massive buff over S4 anymore because the marine statline has changed again and the entire game is balanced around that statline.If you want to argue with me then argue with me and not your own schizophrenia.
>>98608099>TQElevatedTreasureSneakyVictory
>>98608470Intercessors hit 3 times at S5 in melee while actually being able to aim their guns. Not assault intercessors. Regular fucking intercessors.The sarges Chainsword hits 5 times's. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume assault intercessors will hit 4 times each with the same profile while packing a 3+.The game has changed. Everyone without a codex is gonna suffer but once your codex does arrive I promise you the statbloat is going to get silly.The boyz datasheet is the new normal.
>>98608497Ints are more than double the PPM. Boyz are probably some of the most efficient melee profiles against low T targets now.
>>98608497>Intercessors hit 3 times at S5 in melee while actually being able to aim their guns.No AP, no lethals on the charge. No special melee weapons and for the same cost intercessors get half as many attacks.
is there an issue with the pre-10th torrent in the OP? its just been on "gathering info" for a while now, didn't have this issue last weeklacl of seeders?
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98608497The worst, absolute worst part about this is there will be armies who get their codex and they will still be left behind.
>>98608199> Never realized how perky they made the booba, armour booba can carve woodExtremely based. I'm sure there's an STL out there where they've just rescaled them to match modern sisters.>>98608447Dude, that's not average melee for 90pts. Then you have the boss nob. Lethals, sustained, other strats and buffs from detachments. 90pts for Boyz is a good fucking deal and I'd take that in any other army in a heart beat.
>>98608478There is still quite a bit of t4 in the game, but yea, all it really does is keep them up to date with marine power creep. 5 is the new 4 in the T/S world. 4 is competent, and 3 is shit. It makes them a little more flexible against t9 monsters and vehicles if they're ever in a situation where they have to fight one I guess too.
I've been away for a few months. Did there happen to be news on firstborn? I saw a mention in another thread.>I even had to wait a while to post it's been that long
>>98608099>Do you have any suggestions for new collage theme options?Old Good versus New GoodPaint your favorite sculpt that has had multiple versions and pick your favorite version, whether the newest one or an older one.
>>98608515doubt it
>>98608519It's an "average melee profile" for any models supposed to be in combat in the game, but those models are usually pushing 15ppm at least. I see what he means but he's retarded.
>>98608527Genocide. Q&A this friday though.
>>98608166Because 20 boyz was a different unit than 10, anon. They very much benefitted from reaching a critical mass where more of them simply crossed a threshold where some enemies couldn't handle them, and any buffs (such as warboss +1 to hit and painboy 5+ fnp) were better applied to larger units.The codex actually changes this up a bit, where leader buffs aren't as readily available to boyz (no more fnp, leaders don't give out +1 to hit, need a support for that, and so on) and the general increase in their points means it gets harder to hit the critical mass necessary and still maintain the rest of the army. At least, that's what I assume the thinking is.
>>98608504Ints also have a D2 gun with heavy, gain plus one to hit with everything when attacking or defending an objective and have an actual armour save. They'll cope.In a white room simulation an intact squad of boys are an efficient threat, it also never happens outside of a transport assault so you'd need to add the cost of a trukk to their statline, which almost doubles their price.Boyz relied on their Toughness to keep them alive in 10th. Since Marines where S4 the infantry metagame was balanced around killing S4. This meant having 4< toughness gave you some resistance against small arms which was important because their save is ass.The boyz didn't get any tougher in 11th, tho nobs did get an extra wound. However Marines are T5 now, the new infantry metagame will revolve around killing T5, meaning in real terms boyz will be more fragile once other people get their dex.This should have been an index edition. Fuck every edition should be an index edition.
>Reading Ork points in tge MFM>all that REDIT'S BEAUTIFUL
>>98608556>Mega nobz>Different costs for 2, 3, 5, and 6 mega nobzI hate this schizo setup.
>>98608447Anon I don't think you understand what 90 points is being compared to. The Boyz datasheet used to be 80 points for 10. Let's see what changed.>melee weaponsThe choppas are relatively the same, and the nob is much better.However, all of these attacks get lethal hits when they charge, which is a massive buff.>RangedMassive buffs across the board. Previously you had sluggas, and that's it.Now, you have shootas with extra range, extra shots, lethal hits against infantry on all of your models.Additionally, you can take 3 heavy weapons (previously limited to 1).Keep in mind that to get ANY ranged beyond sluggas, you threw away your choppas.You're arguing that a datasheet that got better in every conceivable way should be either the same points or maybe even lower points. You're fundamentally retarded anon.
>>98608569What's so complicated about ppm that they refuse to bring them back? Everyone that plays the game has to know how to do basic additon and multiplication anyways.
>>98608579To me it seems like they're trying to normalize things, like having squads fit what the box has to a T. It simplifies things big time but makes it look really fucking stupid.
>>98608579Playing devil's advocate but strategems are more powerful on bigger units.This edition is very light on actions and in general there's much less incentive to go msu.
>>98608582But why would you even do that? Make the minimum size what's on the box sure, but if I get a second box and I want to use 2 models instead of 3 why the fuck should I not be able to?
>>98608586Because FUCK YOU!
>>98608584Don't see how ppm changes that.
>>98608586Who knows, it seems pretty deliberate but I can't discern why they'd want to do that given what the hobby is. I guess they're just chasing a certain kind of player or whatever.
>>98608444people would complain if the vehicle could only move as fast as the embarked unit
Ork bros i dont feel so good anymore...
>tfw going to need 32 to 40 mm bases extenders for my nobz>wasn't that long ago I was swapping out 28 mm onesThe double power klaw thing is going to be a bit of a fuckaround too, its like they are forcing us to buy a new kit
>>98608579>Everyone that plays the game has to know how to do basic additon and multiplication anyways.https://youtu.be/-d8cVMcK66U
>>98608593Spending 1cp to buff 20 9-point dudes is more value than buffing 10 9 point dudes, changing the prices based on unit size helps offset that
>>98608579Point per models gives more freedom to hobbyists and customers.You can convert one dude into a character and still field the remaining models by just discounting the points of that one dude, or you can buy second hand someone's spare 5 dudes to add to your unit for cheap.Instead now, even if by a tiny bit, people have a disadvantage if their unit is understrength and the resale value of incomplete units is destroyed.You can still get around all this with base fillers and such, but the above being the norm makes any concept of flexibility a completely alien mentality to the average modern gw customer.
>>98608600isnt it just the boss nobs that get 40s? I think Im just going to use old warbosses for it.
>>98608569It was like that in the last edition too, taking 4 meganobz cost the same as 5
>>98608604Anon that's how ppm worked already. You had a base cost for the minimum unit and models after that could have a bigger ppm cost. Say you got a tac squad for 100 points and every extra marine would be 25 points instead of 20.
>>98608606I'll have to have a look again but from seeing the new nobz models it looked it they were all on large bases, which makes sense for 3W each>using old warbossesThat's fuckin based, wish I had more AoBR warbosses for it
>>98608605>Instead now, even if by a tiny bit, people have a disadvantage if their unit is understrength and the resale value of incomplete units is destroyed.This does the opposite of incentivizing sales though.
So when does the 40k app get updated for the 11e codex for orks? I probably won't even have my code by then
so which weapons will be affected by marines getting +1T? overcharged plasma, melta, gauss, etc.? or rather: just how impactful will +1T be? and is this S/T buff a confirmation that female marines exist?
>>98608586Simplifying the product portfolio to eliminate the need for customers to procure supplementary components, partial products, or externally sourced alternatives. Each product is designed as a self-contained, fully integrated solution that consolidates all requisite functionality within a singular product unit, thereby minimizing dependency on ancillary purchases, third-party ecosystems, and fragmented procurement pathwayssomeone said some retard shit like this in a meeting and the people in charge of making choices ate it up because they're retard niggers
>>98608573NTA, but boyz actually lost some crucial things. First is the extra attack from Waaagh, which means across a whole unit you're doing 20 less attacks. Which is A LOT. Second is they no longer (afaik) have a way to access crits on 5s, which they used to be able to get, and that greatly diminishes the value of their sus/lethals. Third, they can't get a fnp any more, which is a huge deal for their survivability. The difference between just a 5++ and a 5++ plus 5+ fnp is gigantic.The datasheet doesn't just exist in a vacuum. I do think a points increase was reasonable (and feel 90 per 10 is a pretty good spot for them) but there are very legitimate reaons to claim they shouldn't have gone up, or gone up less.
>>98608623Anything that's strength 4/5 id imagine
>>98608573I'm not arguing that. I have never been arguing that.>>98608176I'm paying 9 points per model for 9 retards who die to bolters and a Nob who kills shit. Outside of a wagon or a trukk the new boyz die to bolters almost as hard as they did in 5th edition. We are back to the hidden power klaw.Free shootas is fun but you'll never roll to wound because you're always gonna be hitting on 6's. They're genuinely meme weapons.The specials are good if they hit but again, 6's. The skorcha is great tho because torrent means I get to ignore Ork ballistic skill, they're auto take on every squad and will be the second to last man to die.
We don't use that word here.
>wondered why the painboy halved in points>tfw no more fnpInto the bin it goes. We probably have access to better support characters now anyway
>>98608612PPM used to work "a Dire Avenger costs 13 points, you can have between 5 to 10 in a unit".
Are they getting rid of random attacks on torrent weapons? Most of the profiles I've seen so far have been a flat 3 attacks with blast. No idea if blast weapons have been affected
>>98608636Some units, yes. Not all. many in many editions came at either a premium for the initial models, rarely for additional models.
>>98608111Decent turnout last month lads, what are your plans for this month?
>>98608643Mmm no, it really did used to just be purely model-based
>>98608638Yeah it's all A3 + Blast 1 now, at least for Orks.
Why does 40k still have a general, anyway?>can't play newer editions because they're trash>can't play older editions because you are the newfag dregs that could never understand them>can't play specialist games for the same reason>can't play homebrew systems because no one cares about your homebrew>can't play narrative campaigns because no one cares about your homebrew>can't play to win because that's for fags>can't play for fun because that's onions cope for nogames who don't win and build shit armies >can't play with unpainted models because it's passionless>can't play with mediocre painted models because it's ugly>can't play with professionally painted models because it's manchild redditoid self-indulgence that you got from a youtuber>can't play with newer models because they're shit (primaris, woke, sanitised aesthetic)>can't play with older models because they're shit (rogue trader skub and finecast)>can't proxy because the other games and their models are gay too>can't 3D print because plastic is aids and resin gives you aids>can't not 3D print because you're supporting GW>can't third party or second hand because that's for poorfags>can't whale because that's for redditors>can't not whale because that's for poorfags>can't play any of the factions because they're all gay for tediously outlined different made up reasons by the autistic fanbase>there are no exceptions to this, if you ever thought there were>can't make up a faction because no one cares about your homebrew>can't give up on GW and play any other wargame because GW is a containment field for scum like youIs it just a huge meme? Does anyone actually play 40k anymore?
>>98608658spooked as fuck nigga
>>98608658I like posting my models and posting about my games. Sometimes I even get to talk about a faction I like.
>>98608624>Simplifying the product portfolio to eliminate the need for customers to procure supplementary components, partial products, or externally sourced alternatives.Removing PPM doesn't do that. PPM doesn't force you to get single minis, it lets you use less than what the kit provides but it doesn't let you go below the minimum.
>>98608654Kill yourself retard, I'm not going to the effort of looking up and screenshotting any of the 8 trillion codexes where they did this.
>post minis>no (you)s>post shitty bait>instant (you)sand you wonder why this board is dying
>>98608636>Tac squad - 90 points>extra models - +16You guys started with 10th and know shit.
GSC bros, is this a magus or clamavus?
>>98608658>can't play older editions because you are the newfag dregs that could never understand themdont old edition fags keep saying one of the best tings about old eds was how simple and less clunky they were compared to newer ones? isnt your statement contradictory? I didnt bother reading the rest of your post
>>98608515>>98608530He's gonna get monkey pawed so hard when they only update half the range and delete the other half from the game
What are you working on, /40kg/?>>98608669I'll save us with a WIP post
>>98608672sources on google say magus
>>98608623Sisters will be going to T4 2W, yes
>>98608586>>98608579Adding granularity doesn't necessarily make the game more fun or engaging- it just makes it harder for people to build lists and collect models intelligently.
I'm so annoyed with myself, I saw someone selling a bunch of rogue trader era gsc over a month ago and he lived about 15 minutes from my house, he had everything except the fat patriarch, now its all fucking gone fuckity fuck FUCK
>>98608638>>98608656There are some random shot torrent weapons in the codex, but they tend to be the non-flamer ones. The big walkers and I believe Ghaz has variants of it where it represents just an absolute hail of bullets, rather than an actual spray of fire or liquid.
>>98608676the aircraft is going to go away for sure.
>>98608573>Now, you have shootas with extra range, extra shots, lethal hits against infantry on all of your models.Actually I'm coming back to this because you're seriously overrating shootas.A mob of 20 boy's is gonna have 12 shootas in it, the rest is gonna be nobs and special weapons.In ideal conditions (At half range, shooting a squad of MEQ's out of cover) those 12 shoota boyz are gonna kill a single intercessor.A. Single. Intercessor.They're meme guns, have always been meme guns and always will be meme guns. The orks now no longer have to choose between their meme guns and their actual job of killing shit in melee. THAT DOES NOT MEAN SHOOTAS ARE USEFUL.
>>98608671I started with 7th, all the eldar shit at least was pure ppm like I described.
>>98608676>New Vect mini>He's on foot
how difficult are GSC for a first army? am i fucking myself over?
>>98608707yes
>>98608696a single intercessor is not a bad points return for the handful of basic guns in a melee unit.
>>98608683Ty anon, i think there might have been several models in that era but some of them are listed as "advisors">>98608707I wouldn't do it personally, they aren't particularly easy to paint and are hard to play (as a gsc player myself)
>>98608623I think it's more than just that, now it makes me wonder how many weapons and profiles will have to shift upwards to maintain what they're supposed to do. Autocannons are going to go up probably or else there's no point in taking one over a heavy bolter, etc.
>>98608694The Voidraven will stay. The razorwing is fucked tho.Orks got an entire detachment for their fliers. Marinefags just get cucked by daddy James because is a day ending in y.
>>98608707Stay away from Sisters and GSC as a first time player.
>>98608687Adding +16 points per model instead of 160 points for 10 models doesn't make lists harder to build or models to collect, quite the opposite. These are insane arguments uttered by absolutely no one for 35 years before 10th.
>>98608696Sure anon, they're meme guns that kill 1 intercessor. Now you can roll your 7 special weapons and then charge and kill the rest in melee. Previously, you would be shooting only sluggas at the intercessors, killing 0, and then charging. Or maybe you could shoot worse shootas and 1 special weapon, netting you maybe 1 model kill, and then you wouldn't charge at all.My point is that the unit is overall much better and thus the points increases are justified. Shootas are allowed to be meme guns considering Orks still have other better weapons and melee on top of that.
>>98608649What does this have to do with 40k?
I haven't been keeping up with the lore for obvious reasonsAre primaris still totally perfect and pure with none being corrupted by chaos or going renegade?
>>98608698No.
>>98608729angron blew up some psychic device that made a fleet of primaris go mad and turn to chaos
>>98608707They're a little complicated to play because mistakes are punished harshly, almost everything is made out of wet paper and they're reliant on a combined arms approach of killing opponents by a thousand cuts. But as a beginner army they're better than people give them credit for, the range is entirely modern plastic, the basic infantry and vehicle kits are absolutely stuffed with bits for kitbashing (and they're compatible with all other GW human kits, like all the necromunda gangs) and the characters all brim with personality and fun details. They aren't the best beginner faction, but I'd say they're pretty rewarding and can teach you a lot about the hobby you won't learn with something like marines.
>>98608710>>98608713aww man>>98608723literally the two armies I'd be interested in. guess I'll just go buy some fucking marines
>>98608733>NoThey're 9 pts/model and cost 90 for 10.
>6 battlelines>3 dedicated transport>3 transport of a type until all battleline are stuffed in cars>sprinkle in characters to attach to battlelines as needed for remaining pointsExplain to me why this wouldn't work.
>>98608724It does create weird list building situations and ending up with "unusable" spare models because the optimal thing to do is add like three spare bodies to the Sisters Retributor squad to give them some ablative wounds against stray fire.
>>98608744Your damage?
>>98608711Its only like, 0.3 more wounds than asaault intercessors will do with heavy bolt pistols at 9".But heavy bolt pistols are 18" range so their effecive range is equal to a shootas max range. In a max range firefight assault intercessors will genuinely do more damage than the shootas in a boyz squad.Of course boys have special weapons which flips the math further in their favor, the rokkits plus double kombi rokkit will kill another intercessor and the skorcha's plus big shoota together will kill a third. Its good shooting for a melee unit.But shootas are still a meme. Two things can be true.And of course cover massively slashes the effectiveness of Boy shooting because >BS5+
>>98608579There isn't any point to having ppm really>individual models don't matter anymore, you take units for their unit wide abilities>wargear doesn't matter anymore, most have been abstracted away>no unit upgrades anymoreUnits themselves barely exist, they are vague abstractions of stats to apply Stratagems and combos to in order to produce victory points
>>98608707Anon, picking your army isn't something you should be doing with your dick.
>>98608658because outside of generals it's even worse
>>98608744Because battleline are worthless chaff meant to get killed by tanks. Just bring all tanks and maybe 1-2 or non-tank units with a named character attached to buff them
>>98608744It would work. You would want to play an objective orientated disposition like take&hold or priority assets, or one that focuses on mobility like recon. But you could very easily field an army that is entirely in transports, and people have been doing it forever. I did it with guard+sisters as long ago as 4th edition.Just be careful since transports exploding inflict mortal wounds on the people inside.
>>98608750>firing deck 2Let me guess. You NEED more?
>>98608736At the end of the day anon choose an army you'll like the look of as you'll be spending countless hours building and painting. If you really like these armies I would suggest buying test minis off ebay, you should be able to find a spare neophyte/acolyte to try and paint, would give you a feel for how the army would be to paint. Sisters desu if you get the celestian insidiant KT that will have almost all the surfaces on other sister models (exclu. vehicles). Tbh of the two Sisters is not nearly as hard to learn as GSC, they're just a little pricier compared to other armies. Don't let anons here deter you
>>98608739Dumb frogposter. the original claim was that you pay per model. A claim which is demonstrably untrue.You pay for the minimum squad size as a lump sum and then its ppm for every additional model.
>>98608739>90 points for the base squad>+9 for each extra guardianMate. Read.
>>98608766literally what is the point then?
>>98608736>literally the two armies I'd be interested inHonestly in that case you might as well go for it, don't feel forced to play factions you aren't interested in.
>>98608758All three claims are completely wrong. And you forget the most important part: I'f I'm 10 points over I can just remove a single dude and not 3 units.
>>98608188That's because you could give them Ghaz, a 5+ fnp from the painboy, or be permanently in the waagh from the bannernob. Now none of those things are true because Ghaz runs solo and the other characters were whacked hard.
>>98608729Go read it, we aren't going to spoonfeed you.
>>98608773I never said you don't pay for minimum squad size. I said the minimum squad size corresponds with ppm, which was true at least for eldar.
>>98608736I dont know about sob but gsc are very expensive to collect, unless you plan on printing them of course
>>98608786>PPM used to work "a Dire Avenger costs 13 points, you can have between 5 to 10 in a unit".
I have not played a game of 11th yet, but how are transports/tanks so far this edition? I've been thinking if I want to do a 2nd army I would want it to be vehicle/transport based with dudes hopping in and out to shoot. Armies for this feel?
>>98608790Yes, this is indeed where I say that the minimum squad size was 5. And the price of minimum squad size was 5*13.I probably fucked up the exact numbers.
>>98608771>firing deckYeah...
>>98608798Only tried marines with land raiders so far but orks with their transport detachment looks fun. The good thing is that you're no longer locked to every singel part of your detachment only working the moment you disembark so you have way more flexibility while keeping the theme.
>>98608573>Massive buffs across the board. Previously you had sluggas, and that's it.>Now, you have shootas with extra range, extra shots, lethal hits against infantry on all of your models.Almost completely useless.>Additionally, you can take 3 heavy weapons (previously limited to 1).True>Keep in mind that to get ANY ranged beyond sluggas, you threw away your choppas.Actually false. You could take special weapons in a melee boy squad in 10th.
>>98608809>Old trukks are being charged $60+ on ebay>Armageddon Ork half keeps going up> Really like the junker look thoI don't feel good Mork...
>>98608804>And the price of minimum squad size was 5*13.Not always. And you said this in response at someone saying that you had a base cost and then a separate cost for the extra dudes that didn't have to be the same as the base. So either you're retarded and your post says nothing relevant or you're retarded and your post was wrong. Choose your poison.
>retroYou got it bossI have no idea why one is yellow
>>98608798Heavier tanks are good. Transports are in a weird place and have had points reductions to compensate, making them really poor value for money. My impulsor gets blown up or blocked off very easily, I only take it for the hazardous hellblaster shooting from firing deck. Even then the damage I save is usually lost when it explodes.
>>98608823You're an illiterate retard who misunderstood my post but you're too much of a brick to admit it so now you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Fuck off.
>>98608827>I have no idea why one is yelloHappens
>>98608778I get you bro, I really do. But it's best to be horny outside the tabletop side of things.
>>98608830>Heavier tanksThis is mostly SM/CSM and guard right?
>>98608830All in preparation to make the rhino OP and we'll be having a rhino rush edition 2.0 you love to see it
>>98608758I just want it so list building isn't miserable, if I include the units I actually want I often end up like 40 over and there is no way to fix that without completely swapping out one unit for another, possibly even multiple and playing musical chairs. It sucks.
>>98608853The rhino still doesn't solve the inherent problem of small boards and rampant advance and charge access. Transports are the new drop pods, infantry can do what they do without the big hunk of plastic.
Cell shaded minis are cool
>>98608869that's what enhancements and upgrades are for
>>98608871I just find it sad that the boards are getting smaller wholesale,
>>98608798>>98608871 I really hope that this is not the case
>>98608875It looks very tedious to do though
>tfw dont have goblin green to complete the vintage base lookIs there an accessible green paint that's close to the original by chance?
>>98608717Huh.Today I learned those are separate kits and not just two different noses on the same plane.
Okay what the fuck is this?
>>98608914Yeah I think the Voidraven is the largest plastic flyer GW ever made. It dwarfs the razorwing.
>>98608921Sure love seeing basic infantry special weapons spun off into limitless datasheets, quality game.
>>98608927I will never forgive GW for turning space msrines into eldar.
>>98608877only works if you're 40 under. When you're 20-40 over and all your units are 90-150 points, you have to fuck around.
>>98608927Literally the only unit there that applies to is the Infernus squad though, everything else is either weird chapter specialists or completely different units like bladeguard.
>>98608893probably a lot less tedious than glazing / layering
>>98608956You forgot about the shrine of the missile, the melta, the plasma, and the heavy bolter.>>98608938They also stole stubbers from the guard.
>>98608921Marine character datasheets look like this and then every other leader looks like this>points 100>leader:>horde trash infantry (aka 20 models 1 wound)>elite infantry (aka 10 models 2 wounds)>support:>wtf is a support
>>98608893It's the exact same level of tedium as one (1) layer of edge highlights.
>>98608982You aren't getting perfectly opaque well defined color regions like that in a single layer and it requires much more thought than an edge highlight. Its basically doing clean freehand on the entire model.
How do we fix them?
>>98608995It's easier than you'd expect. Try it and you'll be shocked.
>>98609005Unfortunately there is no fixing them because the game that would support this sort of army is no longer possible.
>>98609005release chaos agents and then proceed to merge both into SM/CSMalternatively create codex imperium and throw all that shit into one pile and figure balancing out later
>>98609005Reintroduce proper ally rules.
>>98609017>Buy Codex: Imperium >It's 70% different flavours of space marine>15% Imperial guard>10% Sisters of Battle>5% other
>>98609008t.thick paint glopper
>>98609005Requsitioned imperial guard section like dark eldar section in eldar codex
>>98609017There's simply no way they could fit all that into one book. It'd be like having Eldar, Corsairs, and Harlequins all in the same codex!
>>98609037That's the kind of person that cel shading appeals to beeteedubbleyou
>>98609056You forgot deldar, but don't feel bad because GW also forgot.
>>98608921>3 Deathwatch only units>2 Black Templars only units>1 Dark Angel only unit>1 squatted unit>5 normal unit options to lead
>>98609005Turn it into a codex: allies where it contains units for a bunch of different factions and not just imperium. Then introduce proper rules for bringing those allies in their respective armies.
>>98609005Roll them into the different imperium codecies with rules as allied units for specific factions.>Admech can't take sisters or GK>GK must have an inquisitor in the list to be included in guard> Custodes only have access to the inquisitor units (old KTs)>Knights and agents are more easily mixed.>DW are rolled into codex compliant SMOr something like this. There's no reason GK should be taken in a guard list. Sisters and Admech worship different deities so they'd probably hate each other. Custodes should only NEED assassins. Give them a way to be uniquely sprinkled as a flavor of unit in the other imperium armies. would also cut down on bloat.
>>98608921I think the judiciar will get squatted in 12th and given "official proxy" status as a chaplain.
>>98609084GOOD
>>98609005Stop treating them like an army, they're add-ons for other armies and a way to soup together imperial armies.
Is it even possible to make a viable imperial agents army?
>>98608099I think it's amazing how many entries we still get every month even after more than a year. I wonder how many models have been painted for the collage in total
>>98608099>TQNamed characters being killed by /yourdudes/
>>98609084Giving the chaplain the option for a greatsword is okay with me.
>>98608625They can be affected by a ton of differeny detachme t rules and strategems now though
>>98608623T 4, breakpoints are S5, S8.T 5 go up to S6 and S10.anything S5 and S8, 9 got screwed
>>98609005>Remove access to GK, Deathwatch and SoB (maybe let them take Repentia/Flagellants) >Give them Tempestus units with a supporting detachment, rename them Stormtroopers>Expand the psyker part of the army>Give them something with actual AT For flavour you could throw in some more out there bodyguard units for Inquisitors like Demonhosts or Xenos.
>>98609146Is this because 7 ate 9?
>>98609163>xenosI want this guy
>>98609005Imagine a codex full of rules for making custom inquisitorial retinues and rogue trader entourages, that encourages conversion and custom models.
>>98609191How far we've come from kino like this
>>98608623I play Elves so this is just my perspective.Regular shurikens will be worse off, S4/-1/1, so pretty much all the battleline infantry is considerably worse. Guardians and Dire Avengers.Corsairs are now also considerably worse because their power swords are S4/-2/1 without any special rules.Scatter Lasers (S5/0/1) got marginally worse at wounding but they also got more efficient when they do since Marines are presumably going to be more expensive. Windriders and Shroud Runners are kinda cooked though because of S5 bolters now wounding them on 3s.Everything else I think gets better actually, simply by just being more efficient (hopefully) into Marines. The rest of the army has lots of access to S6-S10 weaponry, or get more efficient like Banshees who have anti-infantry 3/-3/2d weapons. The light vehicles have great shooting too but many of them now get wounded easier thanks to S5 bolters. Vyper chassis gets wounded in 4s now with the S6 shots, Fire Prisms get wounded on 5s now with just regular S5 bolter fire. So it's a bit of a wash.
Been thinking about Neurogaunts lately. They're super cute. Have you been thinking lately?
>>98609198>>98609191anyone know a good system for running custom forces like this? 40k doesn't scratch that itch really
>>98609139None of which are as good as critting on 5s and a 5+ fnp. You can definitely pump boyz to the gills with extra rules, and this is cool and thematic I think, but I don't think you can actually get them as tanky or offensively powerful as they used to be.Like, if you'd compare a fully powered boyz unit pre-codex with one post-codex, I have little doubt the pre-codex one will do more damage into any target (though both units probably kill most things they hit). There's also surprisingly little defensive support in terms of stratagems. You can get grot shields which is an extremely powerful defensive tool, but boyz are probably THE worst user of it, since the weapons that kill them will be D1 and mow through the grot unit very efficiently (rather than something like Ghaz who gets lascannons and meltas aimed at him where the grot shields are supremely effective). You can ressurect and reactive move and do some tricks, but there is less raw power available to them.
>>98609115>>98609097I just see that model having the same problem that suppressors did. They were on a sprue with other units, no kit of their own and they just aren't distinct enough to justify a datasheet of their own. I also worry about the apothecary biologis for the same reason, but it's a new model- it will last a while.
> all this marine whining about +1S/+1TBuffs are awful, nerf them back. Make them even worse than Ork Boyz and Nobz. Spoiled children don't deserve rewards
>>98609208head empty
>>98609208>Have you been thinking lately?Too much
Eldar better get some sick psychic powers with the codex or I'm not playing
CSM better get some sick rape powers with the codex or I'm not playing
>>98609008Have you done it before anon?
>>98609181Giving imperial agents the rules to field kroot kill teams and grekh would provide enough rules to proxy any similar xenos.Also the zoat.
>>98609208>Have you been thinking lately?
>>98608875And then your turn it sideways on the tabletop and realize it looks like complete ass outside of the intended display angle (so for like 95% of the time you play with it)
>>98609208I have, my heads proper fucked. With i could turn it off desu
>>98609242
>>98609240just have a Dogs of War/Mercenaries Codex/Index at that point.
>>98609280YESSSSS
>>98609243You're thinking of NMM and OSL, anon
Does GW have a roadmap for codex releases or anything?I’m just curious if there’s any actual info on timeframe or which factions are actually getting codexes this edition
>>98609299I usually huff plastic glue fumes until James sends me a vision, but it always fades by the time I'm sentient enough to write it down
>>986081402 stompas, 3 dakkarigs, and a big mek is 2000 on the dot if you want to run Orky Knights.
>>98609299lolno all we know is Custodes & T'au are next.
>>98609005My first army back in 4th edition was the guard+sisters+inquisition soup army. It was a lot of fun. Agents doesn't quite give the same feel, so i would start by having actual ally rules instead of the current system of just 1-3 units. Make it armies can be half and half again, or even thirds.Rules for customizing your inquisitor. I recall back in the day selecting psychic powers and lots of wargear options. Make your choice of Ordo matter too. Basically just add a ton of flavor and customization, which are two things that should be added more of everywhere for every faction. I remember having a bunch of weird retinue models too, some of which you can see in this image.I got the new Greyfax model and I love her so I include her in some lists but give me an excuse to break out my old Ordo Malleus guy here. I have Karamazov around here somewhere too.They could start by giving them more than a couple detachment options. As I've said many times, it's outright insane but also completely unnecessary to have some factions with like 2 good detachments while marines are swimming in 23 detachment options, most of which are good, and that's before adding in the codex noncompliant chapters.The option to pay points for characteristics like WE and LD would be cool, build an inquisitor like you're building an rpg character.
>>98609319I wonder if pulse rifles will end up at S7 or something.
>>98609327and pulse blasters better be able to shoot trough walls (not indirect fire)
>>98609343Maybe fire warriors will hit on 2's too, or they'll just stack a bunch of stupid keywords on a ton of weapons plus firing modes.
>>98609319Where did that get announced? Some article ending sentence?
>>98609307can any other factions run not!knights?
>>98609356Leaks for both iirc but Custodes just lost it's Combat Patrol + Codex on the site so it's confirmed.
Dark Eldar should get their version of knight tier units.
>>98609376dark knights
>>98609240and ork freebooters and ork big bossand eldar corsairs and amallynand votann with coats and a votann engineer
>>98608827Something in the pewter leaching out, IIRC it's slightly tacky? So you may want to scrub it before priming.
I just look at my Purestrain Genestealers and the paintjob is absolutely horrendous, it's been a year since I painted them but now thinking of just dunking them in 99% IPA and do a repaint from scratch.
>>98609449I guarantee you can glow them up with a couple layers on top, no need to strip them. Post pics.
i just picked up 10 pink horrors for £14
>>98609376Dark Eldar explicitly do not field Titanic units. They're raiders and scavengers. All their big shit is probably stuck back in their dark city and can't reasonably be deployed anywhere else in the Galaxy
>>98609449Can't be any worse than my basic bitch behemoth ones
>>98609459>>98609487The carapace is fine but the paint on the faces and the skin are way too thick, I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. And the wash I had used went based, it dried extremely glossy. Patriarch turned out okay for what I can do, took me the longest to paint.
>>98609384Add that new Tarellian dog soldier from the Huron Blackheart squadAdd Sslyth from the Dark Eldar
James! There's only one way to save 40k! Release the Hrud!
I can't tell if this is worth £60, I'd need to sand off the blood angel insignias and the broken iron halos really bother me
>>98609480They do have a lot of old pre-fall tech, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had titanic stuff. The problem for them is that all pre-fall Eldar tech requires psychic input, which goes agaisnt probably one of the only actual rules in the Dark City, no psychic allowed.I also like to imagine Cabals would never redeploy their heavy assets away lest another Cabal seizes the opportunity to destroy a rival. Like nukes today. Necessary to have but never used.
>>98609357Depends on how strict your definition is, and also if you care at all if they are good.Tau can run all big suits, for example. Necrons can do C'tan spam and big robots.
>>98609512Maybe rules will change but you probably don't need more than 5 assault intercessors as a character bodyguard unit, and combi sternguard are objectively worse than bolt rifles. You can get two boxes of marines retail for ~£60, so there's not much actual value there for broken painted stuff.
>>98609498add an extra highlight layer and some matte varnish and peep the results homie
>>98609512Not great not terrible. You have a lot of work to do.
>>98609512>primaris>worth £60LolLmao
>>98609477I bought them because the staff included was balling same with the bird in kairic acolytes...
>>98609498Bruh. Those are fine. If you want to glowup the units I'd do like a yellow/orange or even a yellow-green wash on the exposed brain, maybe a similar color wash on the expose muscles/alien parts. Would add some nice alien looking contrast imo. I actually like the glossy look, makes them even more alien. If you want, just take some matte/satin varnish to some spots so it's not all shiny, and then the gloss will pop out nicely. That's just my opinion.
>>98609512the paint isnt applied too thickly so you if you strip it with Isopropyl alcohol you can pretty much paint them fresh. Just be careful when scrubbing off the paint around thin parts.
>>98609582how long for the Isopropyl alcohol smell to go away
>>98609384
>>98609590IPA has almost no smell aside from the slight alcohol tinge, it's probably the denaturant/bitterant they put in to make it safe to sellgive it a quick wash in lukewarm water with a small amount of soap
>>98609590Instantly, Iso doesn’t leave a smell it’s just raw alcohol and once you rinse it off you can’t smell it at all.
>>98609594kek
>>98609658Are these new space wolves? Wow.
>>98609594Kek, what's the original?
>>98609578i love the egyptian style so im all in on thousand sons/tzeentch stuff
>>98609668firstborn, yeah, the poor sods just got their terminator armors taken so they could be handed to biggers
>>98609658dang they bringing gav thorpe's leagues of votrannian novel to the screen?
>>98609674sexy pokemon
Today I learned that one of Tom Clancy's kids plays Tau.
>>98609696Honestly that makes sense.
>>98609696Everyone, post your favourite Tom Clancy novelWarhammer 40,0000
>>98609696Is he a Farsight Chad or Dog of the Ethereals?
>>98609721Working on a Farsight repose right now it seems, so the first one.
>>98609208Yes, I asked today how small they were.
>>98609696>>98609719I honestly thought that Tom Clancy was the name of the guy from splinter cell
>>98609719Could do without the Japanese samurai tomboy shooting satellites out of the sky though, that came across a bit silly.
The Drukhari range is so old that the Warhammer Fantasy Dark Elves have had two range expansions, then the entire setting blew up, then Age of Sigmar came and went, then GW revived The Old World, and The Old World reintroduced Dark Elves all before the Dark eldar got redone
>>98609480i could shit out a bunch of lore accurate titanic units they could feasibly have
>>98609719Sorry I only read bolter slop and the comics in the newspaper
>>98609208The only one I actually like is the nodebeast, and even then the whole idea of a unit of disposable synaptic nodes makes no sense.The old rules allowed you to add a synaptic leader gaunt to your broods to help them go further out alone, and it would make sense if small groups of neuorgaunts could act as that specialist for gaunt swarms, but then they're also the most disposable of them all and even a bodyguard unit instead of a buffer for synaptic creatures?I just don't think they thought them through.
>>98609739That's your problem and not the wandering around Iceland while Clancy jerks off about the pregnant girl chapters?
>>98609754>The Old World reintroduced Dark ElvesEh for now they're still legacy. Check back in a few months
>>98609754why are you counting the dragons and sorceress as a range expansion and not counting incubi, drazhar, hand of the archon, lelith, 2 archons, malys, a homunculus, a succubus, the bomber, mandrakes, and plastic wracks?Not to mention corsairs and harlequins which are also tangential to their roster, if you're feeling extra hypocritical and want to consider aos khainites as dark elves too.
>>98609754You've had so many mini releases since that period you just posted I can't fit it all on my screen at once.
>>98609791centerpiece model vs single infantry characterHand of the archon is a now-squatted half size upgrade sprue, not a new model.
>>98609780No because I was listening to the audiobook and the 60 something year old man narrating it put on a very funny accent + girls voice whenever she spoke and it carried the chapters, going to guess the studio vetoed the one he was going to do for the Japanese girl.
I like how boyz have got better shooting than a number of other random troops, significantly better melee and a sgt that hits like a character for the cost of 90 pts and Ork players are trying to say it's weak
>>98609754Just bringing back this time you got raped
>>98609800lets be honest and remove the single infantry characters and sprue halves then, shall we?
>>98609754god' i'd love some new dark elf models
>>98609719what's the one where the ex-navy seal falls in love with a hooker and then she dies and he goes around killing pimps? that shit was tight
Does Heroic Intervention give fight first or no in 11th edition? Otherwise, whats the point if this stratagem if you can't take priority?
>>98609815vanguard veterans have been refreshed twice in this time period btw
>>98609826
>>98609827All charges give fights first, but you don't get priority as the player whose turn it is picks first activation.
You know gw could write rape without rape by having a slaaneshi demon engine force an imperial knight to “malfunction”.
>>98609834Space Marines are spoiled more than other factions??? No way, someone ring up the press, this has to be exposed!
>>98609800the only reason the hand of the archon is removed is because the kit is getting updated
>>98609791Monopose characters with no options don't count. We've had 1 archon, the bomber, mandrakes, incubi and wracks.Which isn't nothing but in the same length of time GW have invented multiple new armies and rereleased almost the entire craftworld eldar range, not even mentioning space marines.
>>98609834>My faction doesn't get as many releases as space marines so my incessent whining is justifiedI hope deldar get squatted just to spite you
>>98609856>and rereleased almost the entire craftworld eldar rangeThe one that was 10 more years out of date than yours?
>>98609848I wish you stayed away from /40kg/, it's obvious by your many posts that you would rather be elsewhere and discuss Destiny or Gundam or leftypolitics or vtumors whatever other thing that's actually not 40k-related at all beyond a schizophrenic rambling.
>>98608846Source? R34 comin up empty
>>98609866The very same yes. Point is everyone who's been waiting longer for a range refresh has had one by now. Even armies like the SOB's who were basically dead or the GSC/Squats who were literally dead have gotten multiple release waves.It is time for the adarki aeldari to get their time in the sun.
Should probably post this in WIP but I said I'd post them here when I decided on this for my guard so I'll keep my wordI need to do a few bits of touch-up here and there, buy a blue paint for the power sword, actually paint on eyes, do some shading/highlighting and finish basing them, but I'm close enough for me to say I'm "done" with my Confederate Guard to be playable.Pic is my Castellan model that I plan to use as an Ursula Creed proxy. My actual guardsmen that he leads are in a mixed state of basing so I didn't get a picture of them and I forgot to grab them for the picture.
>>98609856>updating the perfect 5th dark eldar plastics should take precedence over the ancient craftworld range or factions that never got a >not even mentioning the fact we aren't taking precedence over the posterboys...I think you just want to whine for the sake of whining at this pointthe update is happening, why don't you get the kits you like in the meanwhile?
>>98609848GW should write graphic rape scenes from tall sexy drukhari/ec if they want to be more inclusive to women
>>98609876>beyond a schizophrenic rambling.Pot meets his supposed kettle because this is the only the gundam thing I’ve posted in the 40K general in years. I don’t know what the rest of what you’re talking about is but I’ll have you know I have more greyride models then you.
I think marines going S5/T5 is a good change.I also agree with marines being a more elite army with fewer models.
>>98609909but new bad old good, anon
>>98609909The only problem is that all marine equivalents will now require buffs as well.
>>98609909No its gay
>>98609208It's such a shame they're only worth taking as bubblewrap instead of anything thematicThey're also easily the cutest 40k models ever
>>98609847>as the player whose turn it is picks first activationWell that's retarded, the ability should let you take priority if you use Heroic Intervention regardless of whose turn it is.
>>98609839yeah that was it, very deathwish which is my whole vibe
>>98609902this guy understands women
>>98609208they remind me of the scrabs from oddworld, i picked 10 of them up at a bargain price of ebay. havent painted em yet.
>>98609888Art by AnonArts
>>98609905I don't doubt for a second that you have got more gayrides than me.
>>98609974if he did he would have written nl, not ec
>>98609974After reading around 300 romance manga targeted toward women, I’ve reached the conclusion that the female fantasy is essentially "I’m so hot that he can’t resist pushing me down"works cited:662758, 655322, 652680, 649033, 649039, 644475, 646481, 642793, 638103
>>98609834You can't be serious
>>98609957First First was too powerful last edition when defender got priority. Heroic Intervention is still really useful when used right.
>>98609909So now we need S5/T5 Genestealers and S6/T6 Tyranid Warriors and Ogryns and Custodes and S5/T6 Death Guard and etc etc
>>98609856Nigger our current Falcon is older than your army, fuck off
>>98610003tyranid warriors wont get buffed until they get new models.
>>98608650I've got an old timey striking scorpion exarch
>>98609901>Updating the perfect plasticsholy fucking retard, the issue is that half the fucking Deldar range was resin that all got squatted without any replacements.The 'perfect 5e ' kits are mostly gone. There are only 9 5e plastic kits left (Kabs, Scourges, Hellions, Wyches, Reavers, Venoms, Raider+Ravager kit, Cronos/Talos kit, Razorwing), compared to 10 kits that got squatted. If the entire 5e range was available, nobody would complain. The issue is that the army first lost about half of the range when chapterhouse nuked it (since the range relied on kitbashing), then they lost another third of the range to resin going away.If the entire 5e range was available it'd be fine, the whining is because the dark eldar codex is quite literally smaller than it was during 3e
>>98609989after studying the mating patterns of women IRL my conclusion is that their ultimate sexual fantasy is to be chopped up and devoured
>>98610010That's probably coming with the new codex desu there's almost nothing else for GW to update for nids.
just got some new higher-quality paints and brushes, maybe now I won't suck so bad at painting
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>>98610025You can get by on average brushes if you have good brush control.
hell yeah I just won hellblasters for £15 shipped and someone nice gave me a transfer sheet
>my mega and meka dread and the kannon wagon are glorified paperweights according to GW >but the lifts a wagon, mekboy workshop, and big trakk get to have legends rules.Not sure if I should be pissed at how half assed this culling was or laugh that some fucker thought a terrain piece and two bad hyper specialized vehicles where more worth keeping then the two coolest ork walkers and a second side variant of the battle wagon.
>>98608177>razorback was a proper fire support afv that could have a fire support role or support its dismounts>Impulsor is just a technical hodgepodge with mistmatched guns>and it's all we got now
>>98610034Agreed, I have cheap Amazon Chinese brushes and beat the hell out of the and they still get the job done.
>>98609989Is that like, an unreasonable fantasy to have?Also this is the 40k general my dudeI like tyranids and stuff
>>98610017>all got squatted without any replacements.it's 3 units and one character, that's a small release wave
>>98610034How does one judge the quality of brushes? I got some brushes from the warhamer store, because I'm autistic and only warhammer supplies can be used on warhammer minis, are those bad? I put some nicpro brushes on my wishlist when I was thinking about getting into Warmachine, how are those?
>>98610039based, you gonna strip them or are you going to keep them as is?
>>98610021Carnifex and the hive tyrant could really use a new model, but i get your point.
>>98608207>The bigger crime is what they did to assault cannons, replacing them with generic fucking miniguns.This, the assault cannon was a perfect blend of modern high-tech and anachronistic visual design, like if some crazy person decided to try and upgrade a gatling gun with modern minigun technology.
>>98610080Keep them they're better than what I can do
>>98610056>Is that like, an unreasonable fantasy to have?considering that most women now are hambeasts with awful tattoos, a triple-digit body count and six-figure college debt, yes. this is on-topic because the world we live in is grimdarker than the 40k setting.
>>98610051>Predator Annihilator was a tank-killer that could hold its own>Predator Destructor was a battle tank that could chew through marines but also contest enemy armor>Gladiator Lancer has 1 lascannon that is just objectively better than the Annihilator, but it has heavy and doesn't have as good of sponson guns>Gladiator Reaper is just a LR Punisher with another gatling gun that can float with bolter sponsons>Gladiator Valiant fills the Destructor's main gun role, but its sponsons are multi-meltas which don't suit a the role the main gun hasGW either isn't considering what roles each vehicle fills, or they're trying to take versaility and certain utilities away from certain factions.
>>98610075>I'm autistic and only warhammer supplies can be used on warhammer ministhe general consensus is that GW brand shit is overpriced and of middling quality, anons sold me on vallejo paints as a cheaper, more reliable alternative
>>98610056no lol men want the exact same thing except with a big titty goth girl instead of a 6ft 5in vampire
>>98610109the difference is that I am entitled to it
>>98610063Court and beastmaster are only listed as one kit because they got pushed up into a single kit so they could be executed. They were historically counted seperately.There's also Urien, the Reaper, grotesques and the Tantalus
>>98610091Amen
>>98610099Its a fantasy anon (much like warhammer fantasy I might add)Men fantasize about fucking a harem of beautiful exotic women despite being 5’7” and skinnyfat with skin problemsSo what?Also primaris are notable much larger than firstborn
>>98610123I too remember running a 35 point Lhamean as my Warlord because all the other character options were such shit and she was cheap.
>>98610075I took scissors to my starter brush since it had a pilot hair and ended up giving it a flat top haircut, the two small layer brushes I got instantly split apart during painting. GW tools are overpriced and really really bad except for the artificer brush which is just overpriced and I think the silly handle for priming squadsI still own mostly citadel paint though and I'm using two vallejo brushes that sadly are getting a hook tip despite me using brush goop every session
>>98610045>nob warbikers are just warbikers nowWell now I rather wish they'd let warbikers take two nobs.
>>98610102NTA, but I think it’s just outright bad/lack of game design knowledge. Marines were 100% a bloated force and still are the bulk of what they are losing doesn’t really have a good replacement for its role. Even as fucking stupid as the bunker and the centurions are they are kind of the only thing in the marine range that did what they did. Marines had a lot of units nobody was using because they had another five units already doing that thing and bloating roles, but they culled units that mostly had their own lanes to stay in. They either genuinely think ranges struggling to fulfill certain basic gameplay functions is a good idea or they can’t see why that’s a bad idea because a lot of factions struggle to do basic things and a lot of armies all struggle to do the same things. Bad choice for Anti tank anti monster is a common issue with a lot of factions that also regularly fucks their functionality for example.
>>98610123>counting FW shitno, it's 3 kits and one character, beasts+master, court, grotesques, and rakhartit's not half the range, it's not most of the range, the range hasn't been neglected because they still got kit updates via kill team and characters their larger release wave is already essentially confirmed, so what are you even whining about?
