>>98607842
>Why do you keep bringing up heroin like the existence of some junkies means that some people
Because heroin junkies and "good honest people on hard times" are valued equally in your model. They are both treated, morally and economically, the same.

>>98611122
>New thread
>Immediately starting political debates only tangentially related to the setting at best
But no it's the actual Lancer players that are wrong, right?

If your economic model tells both of those people to fuck off and die on the street, then it also values them equally and treats them morally and economically the same.

>>98611122
Don't bring that shit into the new thread, you had multiple hours to continue shitflinging and deliberately waited to try and restart the fight.

>>98611076
Displacer Toku is best Toku, accept no substitutions

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/lg/ - socioeconomic conditions general

Is there any non-porn fanficition any of your read? Do i have to write it myself? I've kinda had an idea:
>Young, idealistic but inexperienced Doj/hr clerk who never left the Cradle in his life
>Due to staff shortages is pulled out of his deskjob on an assignment of pillar violations in bumfuck diasporan planet
>is attached to a squad of lancers who bully him relentlessly cuz he's nerd
>By the end realizes that this stuff is more complicated than enlightening savaged to the correct way of life
Essentially, the campaign viewed from the perspective if the party's pet npc

>>98611360
I can't recall seeing any Lancer fics but Ao3 has hundreds of them. Not really my scene though so no clue if any of them are good.

How often do you change up your build? I have a player who has changed their mech literally every license level, and I'm happy the system allows you to be that flexible, but it makes it a pain to plan encounters ahead when I don't know what he's playing.

>>98611376
I might tweak one or two things if I didn't like how a weapon felt once I was playing with it or if I know we're going into a situation where I want to cover a different niche, but a full respec more than once or twice is pretty egregious.

>>98611360
The deep state prevents me from having your picrel.

>>98611417
I will say he at least is sticking to the role of a close range skirmisher to keep consistency with the team, but jumping from an Atlas to an Empakaai to a Caliban to a Tortuga to a... you get the idea.

>>98611436
What LL is this?

>>98611436
to be entirely fair, jumping away from an atlas is entirely reasonable when you realize you're trying to melee in a frame made out of wet tissue paper

>>98611457
Started at 1, currently up to LL 8.

>>98611475
Past LL6 it's not hard to just have two separate frames that you pick between anyway, I'm surprised he's still that indecisive. If nothing else he'd run out of mechs to switch to that he hasn't already tried...

>>98611376
Isn't it the point? By taking into account what you're going to face you might want to change mech depending on what you need

>>98611209
>If your economic model tells both of those people to fuck off and die on the street, then it also values them equally and treats them morally and economically the same.
Interesting question of values there. It seems like you would rather be in poverty than have a minimum standard of living, just so that a heroin junkie can be "punished" by a marginally worse standard of poverty than you. That seems more about superiority and spite than any real sense of fairness to me. I dont hate heroin junkies so im not overly bothered by the idea of being in the same "class" as them.

The other odd thing is you seem to be rejecting the idea that all human life has innate value, and the system of human rights that idea builds into. It doesnt seem ethical to deny the rights of others, nor particularly smart to deny my own rights just to be morally superior to a heroin junkie. Thats a really high cost for a really low bar dont you think?
>continuing the argument
Nah, im just a tourist popping in to see if you have PDFs. Ill be gone after this, just thought it was a very interesting ethical position to take

>>98611209
Playing lancer is political action, remember?

>>98613108
Playing it isn't. Giving money to mentally ill trannies is

>>98612344
>not giving people free heroin is forcing them into poverty
>all life has value even the ped- sorry Minor Attracted Persons, almost did a microagression against a persecuted minority there. A heroin junkie is worth just as much as Bob the builder.
>nonono I'm not a lancer player I'm just lurking to watch for pdfs [document] being posted even though pdfs [document] have been unposteable since the start of the year
Glaringly obvious.
Anyway, why are you lot still forcing this attempt at colonisation? If the fact your thread is dead and only kept up by coordinated bump posting that can be roughly predicted by a handful of posters whose styles and convo are easily recognised wasn't enough, the amount of vitriol from genuine mecha fans and resident anons you receive over this blatant piece of poorly written communist propaganda should be

>>98614765
you'd think they would go for grindr or something before maintaining a dead thread for a month, after queftopia guy got banned for raisins there's nothing to talk about anyway

>>98614814
If only, but that's not how communists and leftivists work. This thread is not just about talking about their game, it is about colonisation and conquest. It's a step to pushing beyond the containment zone and into the rest of the rpg fanbase, and into the mecha fanbase. Those have dared to hold out and its making the commuhairs seethe so something has to be done.
Of course the only system they understand is dnd so of course rather than making a true mech game they have to reskin an edition of dnd.

>>98614830
Take your meds grandpa

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How would one go about making baddies out of SSC? I think my group is just about done with random pirates and HA

>>98614869
well they do all kinds of fucked up bio-mech experimentation and try to make sure only the success stories get out to the public
they're also heavy into covert-ops stuff, in no small part to protect their secrets like say the fact one of their mechs fused with one of their vat-grown pilots and is now going full Tetsuo

How do you get your lancers into their mechs?
I like to have them be able to call for them like titanfall or something kind of horse in red dead redemption unless there's something blocking it(like a plot element)
Having them be cumbersome things that you have to get into is also pretty cool since they have to be cautious to not be caught without having easy access.

>>98611360
>>Due to staff shortages is pulled out of his deskjob on an assignment of pillar violations in bumfuck diasporan plane
earth is like a super exclusive natural reserve park where only a few millions of union's the elitest of the elite are allowed to live. To have a native from there be "reassigned" it means some major fuck up or internal power struggle

>>98614869
There's a lot of flavor text about how SSC only services a very select clientele (LUX-Iconic stuff like the Terashima blade and Black Witch). What if they were making some non-mech product that was only made available to some fat cats or something, and something about developing it/manufacturing it was ecologically or socially damaging? You could include some topical plotlines like, I dunno, they built a giant NHP datacenter that destroys nearby communities or something (maybe literally, like some paracausal shit).

>>98615419
You have moments in your games when pilots are NOT in they mechs?

>>98615419
I'm a sucker for the Gundam Wing grappling hooks.

>>98615956
>>98615419
Current mech is a Fomorian Taraxacum, my pilot doesn't leave the small apartment sized cockpit with full amenities unless the rest of the party drags him out.
Once showed up to a meeting sending his remote controlled drone with a hologram.

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>>98615419
There’s ladder rungs on the side, from there you just hop in the turret hatch and you’re good to go.

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>>98615419
Unironically this, if they are away from their ship's mech hangar they have old timey rope ladders to climb into the cockpit
>>98615956
plenty, id say the split its 70-30 of out of mech and in mech stuff. Right now they are on a sabotage mission where only the goblin pilot is bringing his mech because they decided that going in silent its a better option and if shit hits the fan they'd rather get in a gunfight than have their big ass warmachine level a city block in the fight.

>>98615444
I assume those people breed and have children. Could also go the route of a union higher up sending his useless bum son out to the diaspora to man up

>>98615444
>where only a few millions of union's the elitest of the elite are allowed to live
The "elitest of the elite" part isn't entirely true, or at least there's no evidence of it aside from bias. Most bureaucrats aren't particularly elite, they're just paper-pushers, even if they work in a very important place like a capital.

That said, there are inhabitants all over the Sol system, both planet/moonside and in orbital habitats, and there's mention of multiple blink gates within the system. You could probably live on a moon of Jupiter and commute to work on Cradle every day.

>>98617911
>You could probably live on a moon of Jupiter and commute to work on Cradle every day.
Unless that moon is Callisto you'll end up with literally all the cancer

>>98615419
Ladder rungs built into the outside. I'm also a sucker for the Gundam style big catwalks right at cockpit level if they're in a docking station of some sort. Currently they enter most engagement zones via assault catapult that they cobbled together from a stolen anti-gravity engine and a captured Harrison Armory tank.

>>98614869
It's an interesting question because it should be easy. SSC, in my opinion, is the second most sinister of the big four companies after Harrison "we're not the reigning power anymore and we want to pick fights about it" Armory. They have entire worlds built around eugenics. They have their fingers in a lot of Karrakin cloning operations. They have great PR to hide the diabolical shit they do. Some of their mechs are their own little horror stories.

I think, if I wanted to do it, I would make it personal to the team. No one in their right mind is picking a fight with SSC, but if SSC took over a PCs world for a new eugenics world, or even more specifically, kidnapped friends and family members of a party that grew up on a specific planet because the people there have a rare and valuable genetic mutation that needs to be harvested, then I think you have a hook. Make it a personal vengeance quest.

>>98615558
It didn't click until the Charlie Kirk stuff that "Bella Ciao" is an Antifa thing. And then I started looking at all the other stuff in the setting like Subaltern which are, likewise, Antifa terminology.

>>98614869
The party kidnaps an important SSC executive or scientist, things go wrong on the way to the delivery.

>>98615956
Just the wargame feels tedious. And my players made unique, cool characters. It would be a shame if they couldn't interact with their surroundings.

My game is basically like a monster of the week format. My players are carted around on a ship to perform surgical insertions into hotzones or independent planets to fulfill contracts. If the situation calls for it, they enter without their mecha, get intel or cause sabotage, then deliver the final blow in their suits, which are dropped from orbit

>>98618275
Sounds like there should be a protocol for that.

You never appreciate how busted reliable weapons are until you fight a bunch of invisible enemies

>>98620011
I forget, does a reliable hit still proc bonus damage?

>>98620016
No because its a flat damage when you miss

>>98620063
That's what I figured but couldn't remember if it still counted as a hit in that respect. Makes sense that's it's a miss that does damage, Lancer's pretty literal like that.

>>98618448
Agreed but I'd even consider SSC being worse than HA. Harrison is very blatant about being mean, bad, evil guys while SSC is very sinister and behind the scenes. Maybe I just like their brand of evil more than military conquest.

In my campaign a small (plausibly rogue) branch of SSC kidnapped a brilliant scientist who wanted to make SSC tier tech available to worlds at GMS prices. The scientist has been managing to send out brief messages and SoS's to the players after she was yoinked. Players are now following her path and trying to rescue her while SSC black ops try to stop them.

(Big reveal is that SSC merked the scientist ages ago but not before performing a personality copy onto one of their NHP's where they have her continuing her research but now for SSC. The scientist doesn't realize this is what happened and still think she's a real person which is why she's sending out SoS's to the players. Insert fun cascade plotline and moral dilemmas when players get there.)

>>98611360
>lancer
>fanfic
lmao

>>98620690
*
>Lancer
>non-porn fanfic
Lmao
Ftfy

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>>98614869
Just play pic related and rip it off lmao.

On my end there may be some conflict with SSC later in the campaign due to one of the pc's having an explosive brain tumor genetically coded in his DNA (so even his kids and clones will get it) from his past as a generational gulag inmate/child soldier which is 100% ssc tech so.

Are Ace, Heavy Gunner, and Nuclear Cavalier good for a Genghis? Idea is to fix mobility issues, allow me to suppress with the superheavy flamethrower, and vent heat as needed.

>>98621441
heavy gunner explicitly does not work with the superheavy, heavy only so you need to use the krakatoa for that

good news is that a krakatoa heavy gunner build is pretty damn effective, I've done it it on a Tortuga

you can make ace work with a genghis, though the 1d6 can end up being 1 and then you boost for 4 spaces which feels bad

>>98620650
>Harrison is very blatant about being mean, bad, evil guys
Yes my fellow xister, they are indeed meany bad cis white folx. What utter poopypants we should forcibly queer them

>>98621963
they're literally firebombing civilians, they're blatant about it

>>98621963
You joke but Harrison Armory are often the whitest faction in artwork. The artists know what they’re doing.

>>98622374
the only Harrison Armory frame with a pilot on it has a black pilot

Meanwhile the Lancaster, the Viceroy and possibly the Emperor have white pilots though I will gladly accept the argument the Emperor pilot is pale Japanese

>>98622374
Art may be what it is, but lore wise HA only cares about you being human and willing to abandon your culture for the culture of Harrison Armory. They explicitly don't give a shit about your skin color.

>>98620650
I'll agree with SSC being more sinister. I like that each of the companies is both good and bad in their own ways. IPS-N will create pro lens so they can sell you the solution, and Horus is as likely to help an oppressive regime as they are to boost the rebel forces depending on their inscrutable whims.

>>98621441
I like Skirmisher 2, especially since it won't interfere with a Skirmish + Covering Fire turn. Also Superheavies can't Heavy Gunner.

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I wish Harrison was subtler. It's comical in it's moustache twirling. The writing of the corporations suffers because they're all supposedd to be evil, but in comparison to HA, all others seem like regularly grey companies. And because of that every newbie lancer DM defaults to punching evil harrison nazis the same way a toddler defaults to putting stuff in his mouth to chew on. Which is sad because there's a vast potential in the "Humanity first" antrochauviniwhatever ideology that is being reduced to "space fascism"

>>98623401
>antrochauviniwhatever
nigger there be humans and exactly one species more like how that term makes sense whatsoever lmao, lancer in general has probably the most pathetic juvenile and inhuman writing ever devised this shit is sub LLM before local ai models were even a thing

>>98623424
>didn't read the book
Antrochauvinism means one humanity with one culture (and likely one race if the writers weren't cowards). No cultures, religions and anything besides the one approved version of humanity. Its not alien racism

>>98623457
that's what gay brown trans mandate of heaven bureaucratic nightmare is doing o algo o also

>>98623401
>And because of that every newbie lancer DM defaults to punching evil harrison nazis the same way a toddler defaults to putting stuff in his mouth to chew on
My first game is in a month and i sorta pegged them as a neutral/helpful faction who i planned on using as early fake-out badguys.
I AM a lorelet thoughever

>>98623506
>lorelet
there's barely any lore and what there is is gonna give you a lobotomy based on how braindead stupid it is

>>98623516
games with shit lore are more fun to work with than games with lore people actually care about desu

>>98623401
I'm actually trying to work a more balanced take on anthrochauvenism and ThirdComm's aversion to it in the setting I'm working on specifically because of this

it's one of the driving conflicts between ThirdComm and nearly all rebel factions since their culture involves a very heavy focus on terraforming and spreading life to a lifeless galaxy
One of the rebel cultures is also explicitly polynesian in origin to hopefully make people reconsider the morality a bit because I'm well aware if it even remotely reeks of a european culture everyone will try to oppose the evils of colonialism

>>98623401
PUNCH A NAZI.
BELLA CIAO.

>>98623457
considering it explicitly is why ThirdComm stopped expanding it is also anti-alien and ThirdComm believes that colonizing more systems is an act of human supremacy, this is literally part of the lore

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If i were to improve Harrison. I'd turn them into a mirror of Union. No more firebombing, puppy kicking and dedicated anti-civilian flamethrower mechs. The armed forces are aggresively polite and murderously focused on good PR. Handing out food, blankets and building hospitals. Antrochauvinism, you see, is all about humanity and we're all humans here. There's no good reason to be uncivilized! We're here to show you the light and the way to a unified humanity! Don't listen to the unionites, the thirdcomm wants humanity divided into a trillion tiny disperate cultures so that they can control you easier. Harrison wants you to be strong, Harrison wants us unified.

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>>98623387
>Superheavies can't Heavy Gunner
I'm trying to run Superheavy melee and it feels like Superheavy overall just gets shafted. After re-reading Heavy Gunner/Covering Fire, I now realise the one time I used it with an Assault Cannon was against the rules but everybody in the party is new to Lancer and nobody in the party will particularly care.
I am going to change that talent though because my DM is already allowing Duelist to work with Heavy/Superheavy Melee. Problem is, I could take Executioner again but across the entirety of Solstice Rain, enemies have so rarely clustered that I couldn't have used its talents more than once.

>>98623693

I think this is the correct way to play Harrison. It's what I've been skewing towards more and more in my campaign as things move on, even though Harrison are explicitly the bad guys for this campaign. It's a better feel for them when meeting parts of their sales team than corpro-military.

>>98623746
heavy gunner I would hesitate to make work with a superheavy because a superheavy is a barrage and this effectively gives you an extra action as you barrage during a skirmish
duelist is fine but I personally wouldn't let you do that if I were DM'ing

also heavy gunner doesn't work with melee weapons anyways

really it is a choice to make and heavy gunner not working with superheavies is an explicit choice to avoid you being able to fire things like the plasma thrower 3x in a round

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>>98623770
I figured Superheavy Covering Fire would break the action economy, I think I got confused with Siege Specialist working with Cannons and assumed Heavy Gunner would also work with Cannons (Main.)
Duelist working with Superheavy melee might be a problem if I was zooming around the battlefield but I've just picked up a Drake. LL3 will be Sunzi 1 to alleviate a 3Speed melee build. In the unlikely event that it's way too good to allow, the DM will rescind it, which is fair.

>>98623856
if you want heavy gunner to work with superheavies my first suggestion would be: the initial action to set up covering fire with a superheavy is a barrage, not a quick

but yes heavy gunner has significant restrictions on it in part because it also requires you to select a heavy gunner friendly heavy weapon slot and even the most blatantly overpowered frames don't let you get 2 heavies on the same frame

>>98623401
>play a propaganda game
>huh I wonder why this feels really biased against this one faction

>>98623746
Yeah the standard superheavy melee weapon sucks. There's a reason they made two alt frames with integrated superheavies and the D/D 288. Combat Drill can be fun though, despite having to very heavily build around it.

>>98624379
honestly if you have some way to take advantage of knockback and have high speed the tempest charged blade is not the worst at all
especially not on frames without heavy mounts, using superheavy mounting to get a tempest charged blade on like an Orchis does work
Hell I've done funny things with a dusk wing with a tempest charged blade

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kitbashed and modified some retrograde minis, they are supposed to be the same mech chassis "modernized" by two different countries with different design philosophies in one of the possible theatres of war available to the pc's.
also post tokens if you have any cool ones, my library always hungers

>>98623401
in the HA lore pdf Harrison 1 is an actual gigachad who went from nothing to a hero who saved millions against the trade baronies trying to take advantage of seccoms downfall and then died a martyr for his people. the core rule book sucks giving pages of union bureaucracy slop rather than compelling factions and ITS A MECH GAME RETARDS WRITE ABOUT THE FUCKING MECHS

>>98624452
Do you have to pay to get this level of detail on retrograde minis? All i manage to do is change the general color of tye chassis and maybe the arms

>ISP-N
What if Amazon had a paramilitary branch
>SSC
That cyborg ninja from Metal Gear Solid
>HORUS
Dude AI lmao
>HA
Nazi but corporate

Who writes this shit

>>98625470
you made them sound so much better than their actual lore

>>98624581
You would almost think the writers dislike the mecha genre and have contempt for it....

>>98622405
>Latino
>Mezoid
>Chingchong
>"white"

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>>98624581
>ITS A MECH GAME RETARDS WRITE ABOUT THE FUCKING MECHS
Nigga what's the point of the mechs if you don't know why the conflict happens.

>>98625470
>Who writes this shit
I think its because they wanted to maximize the potential audience by referencing as many mecha and mecha adjacent things as possible. So that retards could entrench themselfes and get into waifu wars about which designs are cooler or more realistic.

>SSC
Gundam corporation
>HA
40k corporation
>IPS-N
Battletech corporation
>Horus
Evangelion corporation

>>98625520
>referencing as many mecha and mecha adjacent things as possible
It succeded but the game suffers for it now because there's no essential, popular and immidiately identifiable THE Lancer TTRPG mech design.

>>98625526
There is - Halloween getup where mech looks like a dude in syfy original series armor and pilot is a smaller dude in the same kind of armor and they're both tranny colored o algo.

>>98625545
So, every 2nd/3rd bit of lancer art?

>>98625426
You don't get that level of detail natively on Retrograde no matter what tier. Those are recolored in photoshop or some equivalent software. Note the little hand drawn decals on the left one.

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>>98625526

I'd argue the Monarch is the poster mech for the game. It's at the very least the one they use most often for splash art.

>>98625623
That's impressively anemic looking.

>>98625623
>tfw you realize that toes are probably the most unique element of mech design that Lancer added

>>98624581
>>98623401
Seccom sounds more like stalinism to me.

>>98624581
the writers, at least the publishers, are giga commies and say so.

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>>98625616
exactly, i screenshot what i need then i use clip studio to photobash things togheder and draw some stuff with a pixel art brush. If the photobashing comes out a bit sloppy due to the difference in the various parts's resolution i either run it trough a pixel art filter or feed it to an ai with only a "give it a white background" prompt, and that its the only time retarded ai "art" is useful because it ignores the request to not change anything and brings everything to the same resolution.

If you want to kitbash stuff like this you really dont need to pay, there is plenty of resources on the "chop shop" section as well

>>98622405
I think he's talking about the artwork set-pieces. You look at the supplement for Karrakin Trade Baronies and it's 90% black or brown, but then you see "Purview Admirals" and it's some navy-looking white man with a mustache.

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>>98625676
>mfw all the mechs in the party have chunky brutalist hooves, even the ssc and horus ones

feels good to not be a footfag

>>98625520
>Nigga what's the point of the mechs if you don't know why the conflict happens.
Nigga theres not even pages of that, its mostly just garbage talking about the different union bureaus. pages of info that in any real game will get a single passing mention at most from a GM as reference that your players wont give a single fuck about
>>98625730
horseshoe theory honestly, thirdcomm is mostly reactionary to seccom going total biome kill on the only actual aliens ever found
>>98625809
id hardly care about that as long as the game is fun, closest example being disco elysium (which I know is a whole other can of worms for people without their own formulated opinions). I have my issues with it as i mentioned but I also have issues with DnD, cyberpunk Red, and apocalypse world but those have also been enjoyable experiences too

>>98625470
>What if Amazon had a paramilitary branch
What if?

>>98625526
>there's no essential, popular and immidiately identifiable THE Lancer TTRPG mech design
As >>98625676 says mechs with little piggies is THE Lancer mech design

>>98625884
if you think there isn't a footfag subset dedicated to hooves you're sorely mistaken

>>98626996

Warframes don't even have toes, right? SSC mech design often makes me think of warframes, but im pretty sure they mostly have boot feet.

Anyone got this?
I have been eyeing to run it with my group, but there's not much info about it, and I don't have the money to spare
https://ktrail-studios.itch.io/the-flight-of-the-phoenix

I was looking over the various mechs and apart from HORUS which let's face it is an NPC faction, its pretty clear that the Everest is the best mech

>>98630080
Yeah but during a fight instead of acting out your anime fight moves you just move and shoot your gun

>>98630091
Anime moves are for SSC faggots anyway

Been thinking of running a sort of horror dungeon crawl, something ala dead space, maybe toss a cascaded nhp in it as well to make things worse.
The idea would be the dungeon to be a large space ship that has both large sections that accomodates mechs such as hangars and storage bays and smaller ones forcing the players to dismount and brave the horrors without their tanks on legs. Bad idea?

>>98630964
Totally organic post btw.

>>98631031
nigger, smelly smelly nigger

Do multiple auxiliary weapons in the same mount count as a single weapon for the purpose of barrage?

>>98631145
yes you usually fire as a mount not as a weapon

>>98630964
Great idea, honestly, especially if you can contrive a scenario where the players start outside their mechs and have to mount up before The Horrors can get to them, or even reasons to have a mixed in and out of mech sitrep, like someone has to man a control room while the rest of the party fends of creatures. I'd love to play something like that.

How would you fix Pinaka Missiles? I see no reason to take them over any other Superheavy, let alone Gandiva missile from the same license.

>>98631827
dynamic warhead, can customize their damage type and an extra effect of your choice whenever you repair

delayed blast are blast 3 zones and range 30 to account for just how unlikely it is anyone will actually be in them

>>98631827
>>98632485
If you can get your whole group to build around your Pinakas with forced movement and immobilization, they can be pretty powerful. But that's a big ask.

>>98633103
I mean it's still just 3d6 base damage AND it's only at the end of the next round so enemies will have an extra turn to deal damage to you
like, I'll take 2d6 now over the promise of 3d6 any day of the week

>>98633259
2d6 on probably only one enemy vs 3d6 each on as many enemies as you and your teammates can corral into the target areas over the course of two rounds.

>>98633350

Honestly this. Pinaka exists if the group wants to do a build around team that's able to leverage it. If they don't, then you just don't run them.

>>98633350
unless you're doing something very wrong, you're hitting at minimum 2 enemies with pinakas
also the abilities your team uses to move them around can also be used to you know, bunch up a couple of enemies for your shots on that very same turn
really the 3d6 payoff is not that great and absolutely not worth giving enemies another opportunity to shoot you, especially not the type of high priority enemies that warrant a superheavy to the face

not to mention that they don't place nice with every mission type and it's just blast 1 zones, you can't really fit that many enemies in it

and course it requires your team to not just invest heavy into forced movement or teleportation but also immobilization at the opportunity cost of their own damage, like we're not talking about just a puppet systems here, you need to go in with vlad or white witch systems

really, if you want 3d6 aoe damage, just make a siege cannon build, blast 2 so you'll get about as many enemies as the pinaka will but you actually do your damage on your current turn

delayed damage in lancer is frankly, really really bad because a lot of NPC do not fuck around in the slightest, letting an operator live 1 extra turn can genuinely mean someone just got structured

>>98634148
It's not always THAT much lost damage to immobilize somebody. Grappling also immobilizes, so something like a Blackbeard or a Balor that's built to deal damage during a grapple contributes. Vlad deals damage while immobilizing with the Impaler Nailgun or the Charged Stake, and White Witch is a Defender who wants to get hit, and its weapons and systems that immobilize also draw the immobilized target's aggro, so it's doing its job there. Quite a few Talents (including the missile-focused Stormbringer that any Monarch build should be taking) can add immobilization, knockback, and the prone condition to certain types of weapon attacks too.

If the sitrep doesn't allow you to make full use of Pinakas, then by all means don't bring them. Lancer lets you do that. Tlaloc is a good enough reason to take the third level of Monarch on its own.

Can T3 Duelist be triggered by throwing a weapon? The rule says melee attack

>>98635169
Lancer's pretty literal. If it says melee attack, it means melee attack. It'd be weird to throw a shock knife 5 titles and warp over for free grapple.

>>98634682
oh no, Tlaloc absolutely is good enough, that I would never argue
grappling however is pretty darn awkward given that generally speaking the PC's don't want to get hit by the Pinakas, not even a White Witch wants that level of friendly fire

prone is generally not going to be enough to keep an enemy in the blast zone though and neither is knockback reliably going to get multiple people in the same blast zone

I guess the thing I don't quite see is how this immobilize and bunch up enemies plan has the Pinaka as a good payoff, stuff like the siege cannon, plasma thrower, whatever bullshit killzone the iskander has set up, or just putting a bunch of enemies next to an angry Lycan or Enkidu

Fixed up my Everest. Cyclone Pulse Rifle Build.

Bust down doors, Over charge every turn. So we can reload the CPR on demand

» John Lance // SUMMIT «
Mercenary, LL6
[ SKILL TRIGGERS ]
[ GEAR ]
[ TALENTS ]
Grease Monkey 3, Brutal 3,
Nuclear Cavalier 2, Siege Specialist 1
[ LICENSES ]
HA Sherman 2, HA Tokugawa 3,
HA Genghis 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Integrated Ammo Feeds, Heatfall Coolant System
[ MECH ]
« ABSOLUTE »
GMS Everest
H:2 A:2 S:2 E:2 SIZE:1
STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:0
STRESS:4 HEAT:8 REPAIR:6
ATK BONUS:3 TECH ATK:2 LTD BONUS:3
SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:10 SENS:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Main Mount: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
Flex Mount: Mortar
Heavy Mount: Cyclone Pulse Rifle
[ SYSTEMS ]
Redundant Systems Upgrade, LUCIFER-Class NHP,
Deep Well Heat Sink

>t-the thread is dropping off again
>quick post some organic engagement!
>uhhh shall we post about gameplay?
>gameplay? How do we do that?
>erm erm erm.... I know post BUILDS instead

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>>98615956
Several times. Just this session, I've had them my players doing combat outside their mechs, since their mechs were too small to fit inside. Converted Light weapons to 1d2, Mediums into 1d4, and heavies into 1d8. It worked out well enough.

Whats a good build for a blackbeard frame for it to be able to make the most out of Nuclear Cavalier? I think managing heat will be a problem so should probably dip in some heat resistant frame to compensate. Assuming I only can take one, would Genghis or Sherman be best for a purely melee build based on throwing as many attacks to the enemy as possible and turning heat into an additional weapon?

>>98635568
Neither. Take Tokugawa for Heat Sink and then grapple as many targets as possible into a cluster and deep fry them with Annihilator.

>>98635169
Ranged attack with a melee weapon =/= a melee attack

>>98627074
From what I perused most of the warframes have booties or other molded footwear like Excalibur's ninja feet, and the few that did have separate toes had 3 clawed dinosaur feet.
I also thought there were more Gardevoir/Flame Atronach "legs end in points instead of feet" designs in Warframe, but then i remembered these character models have to look good while animated running on walls so shoe feet is gonna be the norm.

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>>98635539
Anon...?

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>>98635689
Average Nelson pilot.

>>98612344
Where does the value of a human life come from in a historical materialist worldview?

>>98631031
Haha, aren't they all? The lancerfags fit in like spotemgotem at a klan rally.

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>mfw GM's pc got bricked
Next lancer game in months minimum

>>98635814
Run something for him then.

>>98635631
Tokugawa is ass though

>>98635833
But his pc is bricked... and he's on a different continent. We just were pointing and laughing at the Karrakin because they failed miserably and we had to save their asses.

>>98635870
Resistance against Heat is always good and Blackbeard is uniquely well suited to cluster enemies together for Annihilator. Not to mention Torch is good.

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>>98631558
>if you can contrive a scenario where the players start outside their mechs and have to mount up before The Horrors can get to them
So far im thinking of having a ship/station with different rooms that can accomodate or not a mech, for example the hangar bay and engineering as a whole would be pretty mech accessible, probably have some civilian mechs to commandeer in case the players get busted with their pants down. But in general im gonna go the dead space "holy shit you have to go there to fix this" route to contrive them going in and out. like having most of the station depressurized, and them having to delve into the not so mech sized upper decks to reboot the atmospheric systems. and of course as you said, plenty of occasions like that control room scenario.
found a pretty good map set with deck plans and all for free to run it, i may even buy the abandoned version when/if i finish writing the mission. I kind of have an idea already based on last threads discussion about ssc and it sort of fits with the overall main "secret danger" of my campaign

>>98635169
yep, thats why Blackbeard with war pike is scary (also executioner 3 triggers on a grapple attempt as well should you miss it)