Why is Pathfinder so much edgier and grimdark compared to D&D?
Pathfinder in 2e got massively defanged, softened and made progressive. What are you even talking about?
>>98611578I think he is comparing pre 2e revision golarion, before the cucking, with early 5e faerun, born cucked
>comparing a setting to a systempathfinder is just 3.x dnd, retard
>>98612012You and I both know he means Faerun, anon. No need to be disingenuous and hostile, nobody here is mad at you for anything
>>98611307Need more amiri pornThe one where she gets gangbanged by kobolds is decent at least
>>98611307it came out later and like most shitty kids they resented their parents and rebelled against them
>>98612056i'm mad at op's shitpost though
>>98611307>5e is implied>Faerun is implied
>>98612210Since when is Faerun, of all places, edgy?
>>98612228idk? normie opened a dark elf wiki?
>>98612228it's not like pathfinder was ever edgy either, definitely not compared to some parts of dnd like ravenloft
>>98612457Pathfinder/Golarion literally had a mini-Ravenloft + Lovectaft as one of its comstituent countries.
>>98612228Book of Vile Darkness.
>>98611307Pathfinder is only as edgy as you run it, like literally every other TTRPG, because of rule 0.
>>98611578Came in here to say this, OP is working off old lore.
>>98612479more like the party baloon version
>>98611307DnD world building:>we slapped some shit together we didn't really take seriously or think through because we know you'll reflavor everything yourself and make your own setting and lore so why even bother tryingPathfinder world building:>our fanbase is much more autistic so we've made a detailed and fleshed out setting and written the books in a way that makes them less friendly to being reflavored for your own unique settings are worlds because we don't for a second think you have the imagination to do it yourself and know you'll rely on what we write down to the letter and you'll complain when we aren't consistent. Whenever you try to sell anyone on pathfinder we know you'll brag about how little world building of their own they need to do because you don't realize most people see that as a negative thing.It's basically because of that.
>>98613217Ca$hfinder pandered to the neckbeards angry at 4e, and Pozzedo promised to simultaneously fix all of the problems with 3.x while simultaneously being 100% backwards compatible. Don't forget that.
>>98613262>Pozzedo promised to simultaneously fix all of the problems with 3.x while simultaneously being 100% backwards compatible. Don't forget that.I mean, 1e did most of that.
>>98613217forgotten realms and golarion are both the exact same type of generic theme park fantasy garbage
>>98611307Everything you need to do is utter the word "slavery" and both DnDogshit and Posszaizo explode and the nu-males that like them start to stroke their tiny clitties furiously
>>98611307There are more settings than just the Forgotten Realms/Faerun, you know, even if 5e does treat it like the default. Although you are probably new enough that you think a Greyhawk is a CR 2 monster.
>>98613301Personally I find Ed Greenwood's Magical Realm more palatable than the troonery that is Pozzedo's Gaylarion.
>>98613301They are. The thing is Paizo leans way too far into it because pathfinder fags think it's way more interesting than it is.
>>98611307Early-to-mid 2000s edgelord era. Plus, Paizo was much more influenced by pulp fantasy and weird fiction (Lovecraft) than WotC writers.
>>98611307>Why is Pathfinder so much edgier and grimdark compared to D&D?It's not, faggotron.>>98612003Faerûn was mildly deranged prior, it only truly went to shit with 4e.
>>98613321Yes, we can tell nogame tards like you never talked to anyone who plays any tabletop game.
>>98612012He's not comparing a system with a setting. He's comparing two systems while not even understanding that he should be comparing two settings. He's more retarded than most people can even understand.
>>98613301It's actually really not, though. Forgotten Realms, for all its faults, is fundamentally the world of Ed Greenwood that he built upon organically over time as part of his own games. Yes, the edges were filed down over time, especially after WotC took over, and it turned to shit when it was completely sanitized and beaten to fit into 4e, but that's still what it is or was, whatever.Golarion started as a generic D&D world in Dragon Magazine, but when it came time to make Pathfinder it was largely invented wholecloth as a deliberate kitchen sink meant to sell product, made by multiple committees (one for each book). By late PF1 it was already getting sanitized and losing what little identity it had prior, which was mostly mostly edgeshit to begin with. It was never good and it became worse, and it is now the single worst setting I know of.These are not the same.
>>98611307Because it was written by Paizo. These are the same people who wrote that infamous Dragon Magazine article about drow fetal cannibalism. Random edgelord stuff and weird fetishes was just their MO. Modern PF has largely sanded off the edges and sanitized the setting, though.>>98611307
>Slavery utterly abolished everywhere, even in the worst villain nations>the Worldwound has been closed and sealed>evil Cheliax is tanking loss after loss after loss>backstabby and chauvinist Taldor has now a progressive woman on the throne>Galt got rid of its secret revolutionary police and is freeing all the souls trapped in its guilloitines >the elves got rid of the demon lord at their border>Absaloms horrible nightmare district got fixed and made nice>the Apartheit state is now a progressive freedom and liberty nation>the arch-lich Tar Baphons mega plan and return got stopped in its track, he is now stuck with his immediate neighbours>the orcs are no longer violent monsters, but progressive, proud and accepted people>the hobgoblins are no longer violent monster, but also proud, progressive and accepted people>the god of war commited suicide by cop because he was sad about there being too much war>the taldan colony nation in Tian Xia left Taldor and is now a progressive tian xian nation, because colonizers are evilI have probably missed a couple more, but jesus christ, Paizo sure is on a way to step by step get rid of all the sources for interesting conflicts in its setting
>>98614316Don't forget getting rid of Folca, damn shame we can't have an OBVIOUS enemy
fantasy themeparks are good btw
>>986113071e was safe edgy trying to bring back that TSR style of world in their terms. However, 2e went full woke and gay. Which is the reason most people don't care for it. Hell, the only thing I like about 2e was the new remastered Magus class.
>>98614316Demons were the true heroes, turns out. Pathfinders need their punching bags
>>98614316Barely know anything about the setting but isn't most of that because it's assumed that all the adventures were cleared by players by the time that 2e is set?Compare to D&D where Strahd and Barovia appear to be in a perpetual pre-adventure state.
>>98614316Pretty much, you had some great worldbuilding a lore that could be going on in the background to every nation is basically the fucking same with a knock off culture theme they're working on and if it's a non-white they can keep it just them. However, all the white nation will be filled with POCs and whatever cause you can't have a white nation without it being racist.
>>98614461yes, but that still means that you slowly but surely solve all the major plot hooks of your setting. But you dont deliver people new ones at the same rate or of the same severity. So now you are in this state where everything gets progressively better and better in Golarion, which might be nice from an in-universe perspective, but it also means that the jumping-in point for adventure to be had needs more leg-work. Adventuring in the fucked up places is easy. Adventuring in the place that already got fixed, you need to work between the lines, or just mop up some leftovers
>>98611307what is this
>>98614922More arabian nightsSpecifically Jalmeray.
>>98614922>king of legally distinct India came around some centuries ago>made a colony here>now its the fake india meets middle east island setting outside of actuall fake india, further east
>>98611307>Pathfinder so much edgier and grimdark compared to D&Dthey are both fake and gay at this point
>>98614443>Demons were the true heroes, turns out.Which ones? PF has like 3 variants. The demonic embodiments of tyranny, the demonic embodiments of entropy and the demonic embodiments of sin/murder-rape.You also have evil djin from Hell, evil Titanspawn from Hell, evil divine mistakes made flesh, demon-eating eldritch horrors from outside reality, former psychopomps gone rogue and Pennywise-esque and Zon-Kuthon's giga-Cenobites from the Shadow Plane.And if that wasn't enough, the planet is still a cage of Rovagug, and his kaiju-sized spawn duke it out with the Great Old Ones and their servitors. Oh yeah, did we mention that Lovecraft's Outer Gods might be the ultimate cosmic authority in the setting?PF's cosmology looks extremely bleak, once your zoom out.
It isn't anymore
>>98624851the books still exist, you can still play it, this isn't some live service video game slop where you're forced to update
>>98613217now, i dont play pathfinder (i sort of want to, just havent found time/people) but i know of at least 3 campaigns ran by friends, an all of them are set in homebrew settings, one of its 1:1 of 1700's norway during the great northern war, i dont think the system in itself is inimical towards homebrew settings and reflavoring.what's exactly stopping me from running a completely weird campaign?
>>98625906Nothing. There's nothing in pathfinder that makes it harder or different than DnD when it comes to ignoring the in book lore and setting. There's just a large number of pathfinder fans who are weird about it. And they did put more effort into the setting. I've had people rant to me about how the pathfinder setting is perfect and world building is a waste of time and no other games have as well made a setting. If your friends aren't like that, that's good. They're not unique, they're just not the stereotype.
>>98626676i mean, if you file off the woke and just re-add the edges into Golarion for your home campaign, its a perfectly servicable setting. If my campaign about eldritch horror, undead, hags and vampires is set in Ustalav or some OC place is ultimately window dressing and may serve no other reason than to jerk off the fact that the setting is my own creation.
>>98626763Well that's the thing. It is a fully put together setting anyone can pick up and use and it covers a lot of bases. And DnD half asses the same but most people don't care for premade settings either way.
>>98612056>faerunno one on /tg/ knows what that is because they heard a guy say they know what dnd was like before critical role and it was just>the rogue checks the door>it's locked>pick doesn't work>the barbarian checks the door>not strong enough>the wizard checks the room and gets a cookie for being smart enough to do that from the dm who was retarded enough to make the solution that the door was fake and the one that can actually open is hidden>combat is just math equations>no player character interactionand they absolutely do believe that this is just what every edition before 5th was and they believe an entire gaming subculture was built around that until it was ruined by enthusiasm, abstract thinking and zoomers wanting to do anything except stare at a wall and slowly die. Then if you rally too hard against the narrative you get banned for "irrelevant shitposting" by obsessed jannies. No one knows what forgotten realms or faerun are, they could not be paid money to care.
>>98612012Pathfinder and D&D are both systems, OP posted a meme image of the map for the Inner Sea, the main focus of Paizo's Golarion setting - comparable to the Sword Coast.
>>98614922>>98615099India by way of Arabian Nights.
>>98626860pathfinder is completely married to golarion, you can treat them as interchangeable
>>98614922Arabian Nights but in the sea and with a magic elephant kaiju
>>98614316>>the god of war commited suicide by cop because he was sad about there being too much warExcuse me?
>>98624938Literally just play 1e.
>>98628551Not so much "there is too much war" bit "too much needless war and bloodshed," mostly people claiming to be his followers warping his message to try and just kill and maim people, particularly the weak.
>>98618958>did we mention that Lovecraft's Outer Gods might be the ultimate cosmic authority in the setting?Only Yog Sothoth, what with him being the only native survivor of the previous reality alongside Pharasma. Of course, being a malevolent demiplane of time allows for certain shenanigans. To be honest, the lore for the Outer Gods feels kind of shit and tacked on, often poorly. I get one of the devs is a big fan of Lovecraft, but it needs to be properly dealt with.>>98628551Gorum, the god of war, realized too many of his worshippers were literally just bloodthirsty psychopaths, has an existential crisis, decides to maybe mention to the elven goddess of whores and vengeance that he's not exactly a true god but the collective bloodthirst of all humanoids in the form of a god. Achaekek, the mantis god of divinity and assassins, gets wind of this and surprise-attacks Gorum while he's doing his daily feud in his realm, Gorum dies, sprays godblood and shards of his armor all over the place while a strange smoke flies off to somewhere, causing big problems for the setting.Turns out he might not have been a traditional blood-and-body god after all considering his armor was basically empty besides some strange smoke and a bit of godblood.Now theres a world war on the horizon and demigods popping up left and right causing all kinds of issues.Also, a lot of retards here like to troll about this event because they are pathologically unable to tell the truth.
>>98614316To clarify something, Worldwound might've been closed, but Cheliax reversed their fortunes by becoming the 10th Layer of Hell, the Thrune ascending as an Archdevil and Worldwound 2 Opening up.
>>98626763The problem is we shouldn't have to pick out the woke shit. Sorry if I ask for a pizza and they make a okay pizza but add some gay vegan toppings or put "86 47" on it. I shouldn't have to remove the tofu pepperoni or move it around to remove the message. This is why these freak keep winning. Too many on our side just accept it, the freaks don't when they don't like something. They basically call out the company and start boycotts. We seen when we can be serious we can force them to change hard. We don't need to be quiet about it anymore. Just tell the companies, Daddy Blackrock cut you off, so if you want us back spending a dime on your shit. We want you to bend the knee and purge the woke from your company and IP. Retcon or, de-canon it, I don't care but their shit needs to be removed with a public promise to "Do Better." If they can do it for them, they can do it for us.
>>98614922magical Kung Fu monks and genies
>>98611307When PF1 was made it was during peak edgy grimdark. However, the group running the company is now all about freaks and fags. So everything is wrap in pride shit and pushing as much leftist politics as they think they can stuff in. Plus pf2 kind was a dumper fire since they no longer catering to the 3.5 crowd with 2e. Which is funny if they weren't as woke as WOTC they could repeat what happen the first time. However they also shat the bed right next to D&D and had to remake 2e to 2.2e.
