Danse Macabre Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Battle March General's Compendiumhttps://mega.nz/file/tP5STCAS#4yDuu8WLk-Mn4Ut2pe7x7AWwxJmEjXW5cvV0xtwMWD4>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98596319>Thread Question:What army would you collect if you had to start completely from scratch?
>>98611570>TQHigh Elves, I think I'll actually do it at some point after I finish painting all my TK stuff
>>98611570>TQCollecting Lizardmen now....so if I had to get a second army/scratch Lizardmen, then I would either Chaos Dwarfs or Tomb Kings.
I want to have sex with Miao Ying.
>>98611570>TQWell I AM starting from scratch. Initially I thought about collecting 8ed. Chorfs (via some recast), but eventually my interest has moved towards the Empire.Now, I'll soon collect their BMarch box.
So it's been out for a day. What are everyone's initial impressions of the WFRP 5e core rulebook?Improvement over 4e?
Is there a rule that says we have to have a danse macabre edition at the start of each month or something
>>98611631Do I dare checking?
>>98611631I'm not complaining, but it is weird, but then again this is a small general.
>>98611628>Improvement over 4e?It's a strict improvement over 4e, yes. Combat looks to be faster and much more lethal for players, while the changes to CharGen are so blunt that I don't miss the loss of +90 XP for being a Good Boy and keeping all my rolls. The only gripes I have, and ones I've expressed quite a few times to my friends, are,>Blackpowder weapons no longer reload off your SLs in Ranged (Blackpowder,) but a strict number of Actions that must be taken to Reload (effectively 3 rounds of nonstop reloading if you don't have Rapid Reload for a handgun.)>Longbow has no QualitiesThat's really it. I've had friends calm me down about both by pointing out how Blackpowder weapons were *already* set on a Round timer (plus RNG) and Longbow missing Damaging is a nothingburger since you can give it that quality if you're really upsetti.
Anyone else find it ironic that TOW, which was supposed to be a limited scope revival of WHFB focused on The Old World, in specific an Empire civil war, seems to be spending half it's time focusing on Cathay?I'm not complaining, it's proof that the game is getting significant investment but damn boy did this project have some significant scope change/creep during it's development. Would love a behinds the scenes article on what happened - along with Kislev's disappearance.
>>98611570>Danse Macabre Edition
I found the scariest video everhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSeCJAePHws
>>98611616Makes a change from people wanting to shag Andy Law or a Firmir I guess.
>>98611628I feel the removal of talents giving hard roll improvements is good, as many talents in 4e are just statsticks (so to speak) and meant that higher level players could get some truly absurd SL's
>>98611700I'm personally impressed that they managed to make the Craftsman talents worth getting. Those talents were *shit* in 4e and now they make it significantly easier to make things during Downtime. Also, I like how there's Regional Events and Character Events, it feels very Conan 2d20.If I was a Dark Whisper in the ear of the devs, I'd have suggested getting rid of coinage entirely and integrate TOW's abstract currency into 5e, where Brass 5 *actually means something* compared to Brass 3 or Silver 2.
>>98611695No one wants Andy Law except maybe his wife, and even then I'm not so sure
>>98611714>spoileri think they thought that since they went abstract in TOWRPG then WFRP5e needed to be crunchy, so keeping the old coinage mattered
>>98611670>I don't miss the loss of +90 XP for being a Good Boy and keeping all my rolls.I do, and I'll be using that rule from 4e still.>Blackpowder weaponsI think I'll give the new rule a shot but this might be another one I just use 4e rules for. Though it seems like they've really tried to limit the amount of SL bonuses players were collecting over time, so this might just be a natural result of that. And maybe it plays better this way when you use the full 5e rules. It seems like they've reigned in the amount of power PCs gain over time through talents, which may be a good thing. I think 4e could get a bit silly towards the end of a campaign. Especially with how underpowered NPC profiles were.
>>98611623Hell yeah. A much better box than the Empire Battalion imo.>>98611687I don't think it's ironic. It's just as you said a symptom of the scope change. They expected TOW to be a small HH type game with some resin releases every couple months and not much else.Now it's a major product line and they are trying to play catch up both with demand (Core set) and with new releases/stuff in the pipeline. The Tomb King resin banner being replaced by a plastic kit in what? 1 year and change? That hasn't been seen before afaik.
>>98611725>I think 4e could get a bit silly towards the end of a campaign.There was a moment when running the Enemy Within that highlighted just how powerful 4e characters can get. The PCs stumbled into a meeting between Skaven and Chaos, which included a bonafide Chaos Warrior. I emphasized the 8 foot tall Norscan meathead juiced up by Chaos and wearing a half ton of plate armor, and when it came time to fight I had him charge at the party all scary-like. Except there was no fear, because our Tilean gunslinger whipped out two pistols and double-tapped him in the head, killing him instantly.I wasn't upset at the outcome; players deserve to feel strong when they earned it, but it showed me that barely 20 sessions of playing can turn a starter shithead into a Chaos-killing beast.
>>98611718I get the feeling there's some weirdness in that relationship. Well aside from the threesomes with Loremaster of Sotek.
>>98611687Yes, it's obvious that this wasn't in the cards originally. It's pretty weird actually. Especially when you have stuff happening in the Empire but the story still doesn't involve the actual Empire, but instead some random Cathay fleet. A massive shame considering how interesting the time period could be for the Empire. If they're just going to be moving on to the Great War and Kislev soon, it'll be a massive waste.
>>98611670>Blackpowder weapons no longer reload off your SLs in Ranged (Blackpowder,)I might houserule in that rapid reload can be taken multiple times, depending on how many players take guns in my upcoming campaign.
>>98611628The other new map from the book, interestingly, this was one of the few sections of the book that was completely different and expanded upon, since the 4e example of Noble estate was the Barony of Böhrn, im not sure why this was changed, but so much else was kept the same
>>98611749Gods I hate the stupid Cathay visiting the Empire lore - plus the lore that it's actually not that unusual for Cathayan merchants to arrive in the Old World and the status in WHFB is actually not the norm but just a sign of the declining world.I much preferred it when Cathay was distant and mysterious and the idea of a Cathayan rocking up in the Old World (even in the TOW timeline) was a likely as a Chinese person arriving in France in 1600, i.e. not impossible but damn rare.I've got nothing against Cathay in TOW but they should have just focused on their wars against Chaos on the Bastion rather than come up with bollocks lore to get them into the Empire.Also agreed, we're massively missing out on the Empire Civil War. Then again I would have wanted an old Forge World style book on that and we're clearly not getting that with GW's move to the crappy journal publications, so I'd have only been disappointed anyway.
>>98611724Which is rubbish. They played it too safe. Objective wealth has always felt like an appendix on the guts of the game, and it's become inflamed more than once during my campaigns. The promise of wealth should be an *incentive*, not an explicit number to be doled out at the end of an adventure. I've gotten significantly more mileage out of the realities of Brass or Silver characters (available entertainment, what food they can afford, where they sleep, etc.) Than the money in their pockets.
>>98611781I don’t feel anything from this map.
I think the Cathay book looks interesting. Can't wait to get a non primarch/propagandist view of Cathay.
>>98611786I'd love a theaters of war kind of thing in 2.0. Some way to update the entire worlds plot, show whats happening in each part of the world, or, if they could do it without fucking it up, something that allows players to use theater specific rules. Like weather tables or battlefield modifiers like that 6th edition biome stuff had. Just so we can not have Cathay suddenly sends junk ships to the desert to fight tomb kings kind of shit.
>>98611819It's very generic imo and isn't very detailed This was the map it was replacing from 4e, which is at least kinda more interesting, but I wouldn't really call it detailed.
>>98611819The maps are dogshit. I'm shocked at how bad they are. They could have gone for utterly stylized or blandly realistic and somehow failed at either. There are some gorgeous maps for the Empire (I happen to own the one I thiiiink Andy Law made for 4e?) But this one is bad.Also, I'm excited to see where 5e puts their stories. I heard more than a few rumblings that the spotlight province for 5e is Ostland, which is funny to me given how much of a shithole Ostland is.
>>98611862C7 usually go for cartoony maps with a obviously digital look to them. I hate it, wish they'd design the maps to look like actual in-universe maps or at least aged and hand drawn, like GW usually do in their Army books. It's weird because they go for a pseudo-hand drawn look for their character profiles.Given we've got another 2 Sylvania books to come in the near future, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a big campaign that starts in Sylvania before moving off into Ostland/Kislev...either that or the Ostland rumours were garbled retellings of the in development Sylvania series.
>>98611862>There are some gorgeous maps for the Empire (I happen to own the one I thiiiink Andy Law made for 4e?)The big one like pic?I'm pretty sure that wasn't Andy Law, as he had left C7 by that point.Don't know why the maps recently have been bad when they had good maps in the Salzenmund book
>>98611888>>98611898I quite like that map, as well as the one for the Reikland. It's a good map for putting on during overland travel; add some foreground clouds, throw on a pleasant track from Total Warhammer, and maybe some ambient environmental sounds. It's incredibly comfy.This is utterly tangential, but as a GM I've gotten strong use out of this specific track for both opening campaigns and concluding them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VrCZQk2Wxw&list=RDH4NthosJivY&index=5
>>98611921do wonder what the new TWW music will be like since their addeding more music with that ET DLC
>>98611746>has episodes where she's absolutely forbidden to be left alone even for a few minutes>had a psychotic crisis while heavily pregnant and suddenly decides her first child MUST be born with the Law surname so they had to organise a wedding in ten days>calls her first kid Lilith (kek) Andy never uses that namethey're both nutjobs but she's clearly the source of Andy's weird extreme old school feminism
>>98611955What do you mean by the first one, and what's your sources for the second two? I can believe you're right just curious.
>>98611898I nearly bought a physical copy of this map before I saw C7s ridiculous postage fees, it’s by far the best map C7 have ever produced for Warhammer along with the Reikland one in the same style.
>>98611946https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxEfy55PQCw&list=RDGxEfy55PQCwThey added this dwarf music for the end times dlc. Sounds Warcrafty in the middle.
>>98611975I considered buying it, but I didn't have anywhere to put it in my flat.I do like the Nordland map
>>98611965All from his twitter account, he heavily sugarcoated it and stayed vague so your guess is as good as mine it's either self harm or shit like burning the house
>>98611989why are there two enchacnted hills. Bit much innit.
been working on my characters for my orcs. how do my fellow orc enjoyers paint boar boys? i've never painted cavalry before and especially not a boar, and i'm a bit unsure of where to start. also do you guys think the paint dripping looks good or should i remove it? not sure if i should keep.
>>98612069Those look good to me and I personally like the paint on the banner dropping/messy.
>>98612068It's just a large range of hills, not two separate ranges with the same name
>>98612068There used to be only one, then it got enchanted.
>>98612068>why are there two enchacnted hillsThat's what you call a buxom Nordlander maiden's chest.
>TQIt would still be Chaos. It's always been Chaos for me. If anything, starting over would be fun. There are precious few models I still actually want to collect and even fewer I can justify collecting at this point. It's not like getting 30-40 chaos thugs from the '80s is cheap, you know?
>>98611570>What army would you collect if you had to start completely from scratch?Depends. If its something on rounds, maybe tau. If its something on a square, maybe, just maybe...demons. I would probably build the army from literal scretch with plasticard and my imagination. Maybe the greater demons I would buy in metal/plastic. I might even homebrew to make some new demon profiles, although at that point im not sure if I would still continue playing TOW, or even FB.
>>98611570Am new to TOW, so starting from scratch. Going with a WoC battle march list to learn the rules with (after I get them all painted ofc)
>TQorcs and always orcs. i started collecting 40k orks while fantasy was dead, i wouldn't miss them if i lost them somehow or sold them.
>TQI had to start over about a year ago because of a fire and I haven't really been able to bring myself to do it, I had so many old models in there and even with the insurance payout it's impossible to find all the shit I lost. I was using Beastmen/Minotaur Herd rules before (had a load of Fimir and then some of the Tamurkhan shit) but it feels a bit shit getting the 'normal' models for them.
>>98612478I think at that point you just let go.
>>98612490I mean yeah basically but I do kinda wanna get back into the hobby it's just like I say it's hard to get interested in the rest of the range now ya know.
>>98611570>from scratchToo much of a grognard in love with older minis to contemplate building something big from scratch these days, so probably the idea I've had for decades at this point and never started - a very small dwarf army based on an old dwarf fortress save with each model converted to be a character from it.
>>98612478>>98612533That's brutal anon. But on the bright side. You can go in any collecting direction you want. It doesn't make up for the loss. But looking forward can be quite exciting too.Are you doing Beastmen as your main army then?
Hot take, but tow wouldnt have taken off at all if it wasnt for the tow list builder website. New recruit does exist but its UI is pretty bad if you''re not on pc, and even then its pretty unintuitive.
>>98612727Pencil and paper. Excel if you're feeling frisky. Online list builders are a crutch for the waves of 40k refugees.
>>98612069You can absolutely get away with messy looking banners for orcs, if anything its a bonusYour boys look good
>>98612727Old World Builder?
>>98612756Genuinely what is even the point of a list builder for 40k. You just write down what you are taking, like cards in a deck. There's no variety or choice to be noting.
>>98612865You underestimate how retarded people can be.
>>98611628>>98611670the biggest issue with 4e combat was that ranged combat was overpowered for several reasons. Ranged attacks were typically impossible to oppose without a shield. Most ranged weapons also had impale, doubling their crit rate, and benefited from ranges long enough that most attacks would get a bonus to hit from short range. This meant that ranged attacks were a constant stream of damage and crits that could not be avoided without using a shield and which carried no risk of getting crit in response. The defender's stats did not matter in the slightest and attackers were completely safe. Crossbows and Blackpowder weapons were somewhat balanced by Reload preventing them from attacking every turn(without substantial EXP investment, anyway) but Bows were easily the best weapon type in the game. In 5e this is all, somehow, much much worse. Crit deflection has been removed and shields now require you to oppose ranged attacks with Dodge instead of Melee, so even heavily armoured characters will be pincushioned to death because crits are unavoidable and characters which use shields rarely have or want to invest in high Dodge. The Reload change means that 100 exp into Rapid Reload(which any character can now get using guaranteed Unusual Learning) removes the necessity of reloading Crossbows completely. So now both Bows and Crossbows are an endless stream of fuck you unavoidable damage and crits. Blackpowder, conversely, has gone from mediocre to trash, because even a very high investment character can't fire more than 1 shot every 3 turns at best. There is absolutely no reason to use a Handgun over a Crossbow: spending at minimum 2 out of every 3 turns doing nothing is not worth slightly higher damage(not even considering they also cost a lot more gold). Ranged combat was overpowered as fuck in 4e and they made it even more overpowered in 5e, except somehow the rarest, most expensive and most interesting option is now the worst one.
>TQ I actually did restart. I abandoned my old Orcs & Goblins to start both Vampire Counts and Empire armies because I like undead and german hillbillies with pikes and arquebuses.
>>98612727TOW exists because GW knows that their piggies will slurp up any slop that they dump into their trough. It was an easy and natural choice for them to just recycle an old ruleset and gets all the oldfags to buy it again and the nufags to buy it as well
>>98611616Most incel losers want to have sex with cartoon asian girls, we know this already.
From the previous thread, I am wondering how to best deal with ogres in an upcoming game of 1500. In summary I have- Orc Warboss- Blorc Big Boss- Lvl 1 NG Shaman- Wolf Rider Big Boss- NG BSB- 23 Big Uns- 23 Boyz- 10 Archer Orcs- 10 Blorcs- 5 Wolf Riders- 6 Boar Boyz- 4 Trolls- Stone ThrowerHe haa- Tyrant- Lvl 2 Firebelly- 8 Ironguts- 10 Gnoblars- 3 Mournfang- 5 Leadbelchers- 1 GiantMy main issue is deployment and I am wondering how to deal with the giant and mournfang.
>>98613533Do players not take pride in their ability as a tabletop general anymore? Deploying and commanding your troops is the whole point of this game, testing your tactics against your opponent. Bro is asking for tips like it's a League of Legends build guide lmfao. The absolute state
leadbelcher cannons should count as great weapons in melee
>>98613594I agree, they are essentially big unwieldy clubs that would do heaps of damage but be slow as
>>98613563I do but its not a matchup im familiar with.
>>98613658Just go experience it and have fun. Are you afraid of surprises or something?
What do you guys recommend for me?
>>98613533>>98613658As >>98613563 said, it's a game, take what you think is pretty 'ard-your listing sounds good, but I don't know O&G but it got punch, some speed, some heavies and limited arty/shooting. Play the mission, get in the Orky mindset and it'll be all right.If not, then do as I should do regarding the Greenskins and read about them; the legacy document is free on GW's site, and just check what the units can do, the army's possible tricks and try to have at the very least strategies/plans/ideas regarding XYZ Orge tactics/units/magic; know thy enemy and all that.Then when you deploy you can position your units to counter his effectively, or at least, until contact with the enemy. The giant I'd got with the Black Orcs and some lfanking action with something fast like the wolf riders or boarboyz. Again it depends on deployment, if the Giant is on the center it might require some sacrifice or risky maneuvers
>>98613594Correct
>>98613533> My main issue is deploymentOh, you mean the thing that is dependant on the scenario, deployment of the other army, and terrain on the table? Things we literally can't help you with, at all?Fucking retarded. Go play TWW
When do you think we'll get another wave of Cathay minis? I feel like a Celestial Lion would be awesome with modern sculpting, and would be great for kitbashing too.
>>98613903General deployment priciples but I assume you are just ventig after being shitposted. >>98613840I appreciate the genuine response. Will do my best then though I imagine it'll be a standard pitch battle. We will see. Mournfang are the main concern and the giant being T7.
im new, can someone help me out here? whats the difference between open order and close order? and how does it effect the game?i can see the obvious difference with skirmishers but open and close im having more trouble figuring out
>>98613606Plus it would be funny. They would rarely be getting into melee anyway but it would be amusing to delete someone after being charged and most of the ogres get wiped
>>98609896>Unlike 40k which has non-primarch characters, Cathay's only characters are the DragonsENTER
>>98614117I try to forget about him.
>Imagine playing with named charactersThey just make your own dudes feel like background NPCs in someone else’s story
>>98614125I use named character rules and convert my own versions, best of both worlds. I'm making a Kiknik Toofsnatcha thats a snarlpack cavalry rider on a reaper terrorbird mini I got for cheap ages ago. Gonna call him da Rooster. I'll take a picture when he's done and painted up.
Has anyone here played with German Comp rules?
>>98614009Lol lmao
>>98614009I can only refer you to the rule book page 100 for close order and page 182 for open order. Its pretty clear described there what the differences are.
>>98614125TruthnukeI do wish there were generic profiles for old minis that can't be used as generic leaders, like Archaon, Throgg, etc. Or if GW was based they would be like "here's a generic dragon child of cathay, give them this equipment to play miao ying". I prefer that
>>98614242>>98614183lol and people wonder why barely anyones picked up this game in 30 years when this is the attitude towards new players
>>98614279yes, TOW is a game where you cant learn the rules from youtube and reddit posts alone unlike 40k and AoS. you actually have to read the rules. I told where to find the rules. Its like 4 pages. If you cant read that, this game is not for you.
>>98614279Next thing they'll do is to ask you to paint your models!
>>98614279Stop being a faggot anon. The best way to learn the game is read the rulebook and then go ask for some small practice games with someone more experienced, play Battlemarch or something. 400 points each. Nobody cares if you make mistakes during your first games, or even your fucking 20th game, as long as you aren't a whiny bitch about it.
>>98613594no, too strong of a bonus, and they not comfortable enough to grip and wield as one
>>98611693lol
>>98603738Oy! Pastebin Anon.I've noticed your TOW RPG folder is a bit lackluster. Here's a temporary link, my compliments:m3g0 (dot) nz (slash) folder (slash) nD4hzKzD#XGTaQxi60x2p85xP1HWr9Q
>>98611641one of the things I like about Vermintide is that the characters (other than Kerillian) don't look particularly attractive with Victor and Sienna specifically being average looking. This is rare for any main character of a video game (or any sort of media in fact) and yet the way it was done by Fatshark, it feels organic and natural and not forced woke shit like body type representation, vitiligo representation, etc...
Hi /tg/, Currently I am split what to do with my new Orc Boss plastic kit. I was thinking of making a mounted version of this character but I am also thinking I could make a new, hardier boss.What woukd you suggest?
>>98614123That's a woman, man.
>>98614117She would look wonderful behind a High Elf's back.
>>98611599Very nice kangz
I haven't played or informed myself of anything Warhammer related in about 6 months. What did I miss?
>>98614973Some stuff, mostly TOW-related and some WFRP releases
>ogre BVLLSwhat were they thinking
>>98614973TOW got a SECOND novel!https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xu8t84x6/revealed-the-first-black-library-book-set-in-grand-cathay/
>>98614989His bibliography doesn't give me confidence.
>>98614973new (first proper) core set and new WOC models. also some rumors, especially for tomb kings
>>98614997Does any BL writer's bibliography fill you with confidence?
>>98611628Much better and straightforward overallAlso 5 zillion plus points for removing the mongoloid female halberdier they used to rep soldiers in the 4e book
>>98615038Some have a fun novel or two. It's relative.
Look how majestically the Storm Dragon rises to protect the downtrodden of the Empire against the vile invaders from the north.
>>98615048Good to see a Kruber get a cameoStill kept the Black Nobleman art though
>>98615038C.L Werner.
>>98615054
>>98615054with how incompetent and weak the empire is, they need all the help they can get.
>>98611570When and how will Vampire Counts become a fully supported army in TOW?
>>98615149Neverand not
>>98615149Who knows. But I think it's inevitable. And regardless of what GW does people will keep playing them anyway.
>>98615006I just checked out the new WoC models and man, I feel nothing for them. I mean they're cool and all but I didn't see the need for the refresh? What's the general consensus on them?
>>98615177>What's the general consensus on them?in general positive, as with most new models but similar to you that nobody really thought that a refresh of basic warriors and knights was neccesary.
>>98615177They're alright, pretty monopose. The only two reasons I could see GW wanted to refresh them now were to distinguish them from the AoS Warrior range in design language and as an excuse to stop producing the metal upgrade sprues for great weapons and halberds, which presumably are more expensive than just making plastic versions in the future
>>98615177I like them, they remind me of the older chaos warriors from 5e.
>>98615245I preferred the 2nd/3rd/RoC-era chaos warriors and champions, but I doubt I shall ever see such again.
>>98615282Maybe as an MTO? I doubt we will get that too because a lot of those designs don't read as WoC to even most older Warhammer Fantasy veterans. Not to minimize the first generations of course.
>>98615290I'm quite old (and fat) so I think you are quite right,
>>98615068Better res from Igor Sid
>>98615301Lose weight my friend, that way you can become even older and grumblier.>>98615344Love that art, reminds me of an 8th edition army book cover. I would love a Cathay geography/architecture sourcebook too. I am a sucker for pic related type art.
It's a bit sad how the rules writers didn't bother future-proofing the shugengan lord and general statlines. Their current statlines imply two things: One, that the shugengan lords/generals themselves have T7 and 7 wounds even without their mount and two, that they'll never make on-foot versions of these units. Cathayfags should be upset about this, but we all know why they aren't.
>>98615344Where did you find a clean version?It's not on his socials yet
>>98615351Because many bought the models but dont play the game?
>>98615354That's one of the more charitable interpretations.
>>98615349Some of the Total War 3 concept artists did a bunch of Cathay architecture designs, like the Fujian tulou-style farm
>>98615344what a chad
>>98615149I think a Vampire Coast expansion might be more workable in some ways.
>>98614694Dark Elves will get there before Vampire Counts. I'd be highly surprised if we don't get them in the next 2 years, only crap part will be losing the witch elves.
think we'll get a wu xing war compass?
To give a doombull a shield it's 5 points, however the Charmed shield which is the same but also gives a one off 5+ ward save is also 5 points. Why even take the regular shield then?
>>98615646Eventually, sure.
>>98615646Pretty lame for a chariot, especially for China.
>>98615646>>98615695Nah they retconned the compass to only have 1 in existence and it's located in the capital iirc
>>98615686More magic item budget by 5 points.
I caved and bought these
>>98615707There was no retcon, the war compass and the capital compass were introduced at the same time, they're different things.
>>98615351While far frpm being pros, I played some giy with a shogungen in Battle March where he suicidally threw it into my main regiment. I challenged it, it flubbed and broke. He wasn't too happy.
>>98615726Those are probably the best Chaos champion sculpts of all time. Heavy metal barbarian as fuck with the head being displayed
>>98615533No thanks, reddit coast can be relegated to AOS, like it deserves
I don’t really like how vampire coasts looks honestly. The mecha ship would be a visual mess and the flying pirates are just dumb. Crabs are maybe…doable but at the same time, like, why.
>>98615793>he doesnt realize 90% of TOW players are Total War secondaries
>>98615783Yeah, straight up Frazetta shit, I couldn't not add them to my army I really don't think GW have missed the mark with any of the new WoC sculpts from the last year or so and I appreciate that they've not pussied out with the nasty details, there's plenty of severed heads and flayed skin
>>98615809>TOW players are Total War secondaries>players are secondariesthat's not what that word means nigga
>>98615839it does, when you consider WHFB-players primaries.
>>98615809Is it really though? Of the 15 people who play at my store, only 2 are new and said they started because of TW. The rest are all grogs or oldheads. And all 15 are buying models. 12 are building a new army and 3 are buying units for the armies they've still not completed from 8th. One of those guys is insane though; he spends between 8 and 16 hours for each and every model to paint them.
>>98615802I don't think VC fits with the more grounded vision that the recent TOW releases seem to suggest. I am cautiously optimistic about Kislev due to the recent releases. I like some of the aspects of TWW Kislev but really dislike others (magical ice shit, magical ice bear, the frost wyrm thing). I think the current TOW team has a good head on their shoulders though and have hope for the future.
>>98615820>straight up Frazetta shitIf there was even a hint of that I would have bought these sculpts but they’re generic and bland as they can be.
we're reaching levels of autism that shouldn't even be possible
>>98615068>>98615344What a smug piece of shit.I love it.
>>98615820>Yeah, straight up Frazetta shit, I couldn't not add them to my armyYeah absolutely. They are some of the coolest chaos sculpts ever. Aesthetically I prefer the older warriors a bit, but the new Knights are GOATed.>>98615853Based blind anon.
>>98615853Were you born retarded or did your parents drop you or ?
>>98615802I don't like much of the vampire coast roster either but giving them the necrofex colossus was a stroke of genius to meoriginally it had nothing to do with the vampire coast, but it does allow the pirate faction to have a ship on the table, in a way, so it's goodif I could reinvent the faction I would distance them as much as possible from vampires
>>98615867I think he's just a generic old=good new=bad poster
>>98615862>>98615867lel keep it up with that positive toxicity for subpar sculpts. >>98615884Oh no these sculpts arent, new, space marines are older than most people in this general.
>>98615915>lel keep it up with that positive toxicity for subpar sculpts.Have you considered that if the overwhelming majority believes something looks good, while you don't, it isn't toxic positivity but instead your tastes being in the tiny minority?
>>98615820>Yeah, straight up Frazetta shit,I really don't see it.
>>98615945No I think its just a case of people being enraptured by "ITS THE HOTTEST NEW THING, BUY NOW BUY NOW" rather than people being enraptured by their actual merits. If they had released alongside with, say, updated high elves, or the empire, or brettonia, or hell even just something new for cathay, There would be a discussion to be had.
>>98615851>coastI'll completely agree if they just lift it completely from Total War. But if they do a more grounded approach of just cursed pirates it could work well. Give them a something closer to the necron style rez so each unit only gets a few wounds back at most a turn instead of sometimes 10+. Make their army special identity based around moving the enemy units in some way instead of making their own undead faster like TK or pure soaking hits like Counts.Zombie crew coreSkeleton elite heavy infantry Skeleton pistols Skeleton sappers that are skirmish explosives ranged From beneath the sand style ambushGrappling hook ballista that pulls monsters/behemoths towards it d6 inchesCannonsMortar that causes things to move away form it's impact locationGrapeshot that causes monsters/behemoths to give groundRat swarmSeagull swarm maybeCrabSiren unit of some kind that pulls cav/infantry towards it d6 inchesBoatman "chariot", but not an animated ship. Closer to Charon kind of deal that operates like the black coachOgre Maneaters and leadbelchers undead or livingJust spitballing. Could do something interesting without going full lunacy.
I dont like this persons suggestion at all.
>>98616006Can't imagine GW are going to spend the time sculpting a niche army like that. Feels like Vampire Coast should always be a cool idea for people who want to go mad on conversions.
>>98616044I'd agree except thats what they did with Cathay. And using some units like cannons, Grapeshot, maneaters and Belchers means you dont need new sculpts on a bunch of stuff. Maybe a different sprue for the crew of the siege but thats it.
>>98616044they would have to provide a good ruleset for them first, proxying them as imperials only goes so far
>>98616044If they wanted to add Vampires and another army of Undead to TOW without stepping on the toes of the SBGLs in AoS I feel like it’s a pretty obvious option. If it was an option, I figure a lot of it would hinge on the success of the TK refresh. If the skeletons are naked it leaves the door open for an upgrade sprue like how the TK snd VC used to share Skeleton warriors.
>>98616121Cathay has a much larger upside and potential market than Vampire Pirates.
>>98616158Vampire pirates has a much higher upside and potential market than bear cossacks.
>>98616151>upgrade spruemodern gw doesn't really like those anymore
>>98616158debatable, we still have zero mentions in gw's reports about cathay being particularly successful in the eastern market
>>98616200Are we ignoring the HH here?
>>98615881Do Vampire Coast have sentient zombies? I always wondered about that because of all the quotes from crew members in TW.
>>98616044If GW weren't doing this "No shared armies between AoS and TOW" I'd agree but as it stands having Vampire Coast would be a good way for the old world team to get both something kinda like vampire counts in TOW, while also getting some more TWW secondaries in (Cathay's success proves this is a good strategy).
>>98616178Bear Cossacks have a much higher upside and potential market than Cathay
>>98616239Also, regardless of the army itself, I really liked the vampire coast named characters. I can't say the same for WoC, DoC, Kislev, Cathay, or even Ogres (though I love the ogre army list). Hell, I play beastmen and the only characters of interest in their army is Morghur and maybe malagor. ToW beastmen characters are already more interesting sadly.
>>98616212yeah, we are, for good reason
>>98616221it's assumed that they retain enough of themselves to operate ships and gunpowder weapons, so more sentient than your average zombie farmerthe more necromantic magic you pour into the corpse the better results you get, up to wights with completely intact personalities
>>98616212Seems like the HH players are ignoring it too so I mean…
>>98616298But it a game that has a lot of Upgrade Sprues, same as Necromunda and both games are made by the Studio doing TOW.The GW marketing guy during the Q&A even mentioned, albeit obliquely, that the new WoC models are basically designed for upgrade sprues.
>>98615839They made AoS for people like you, this is where you'll enjoy your gay slop
>>98616314Are there any players of AOS that aren't trannies?
>>98616339Spiritually, no.
secondary is when you build models, paint them, and play the gameprimary is when you are a grogfag that hasn't played the game in 10 years but still posts 8 hours a day on /tg/
Soul grinder where. Aos and 40K don’t use them anymore, let me have it in warriors now. Or beastmen. Or the empire. Let me just play with the damn thing.
>>98616494No, they're ugly pieces of shit that should have never been a thing in the first place, let alone a thing in fantasy.
>>98616339>playersIs this what keeps me from trooning out? I have an army painted up but I haven’t played yet. Will my dick wither and fall off the second I throw some dice?
>>98616516Nah fuck you, They have a place in this setting more than any other.
>>98616528You're wrong and retarded.
post monsters!
>>98616587My favorite Monster, bar none.
>>98616494>Soul grinder whereUuh... Right here?
>>98616634In a NON legends army you doofus. telling someone to play demons in the modern day in tow is like asking someone to drop the soap in a nigerian cell with a shaved and bleached asshole. Which is fun, dont get me wrong, just not for the person who has to pick up the soap.
>>98616587these are the closest thing I have to monsters
>>98611570>TQBeastmen.I've been playing dwarfs for some time and I really crave something fast that can get into melee but I don't find painting horses and mounted knights fun. Them being evil and having magic would also be a plus, in contrast to always playing a good faction and not doing all the fun magic stuff.
>>98611570Either Greenskins again or beastmen if I couldn't choose the same army. They look cool and are pure evil bastards.
Were demons always so elite, or is this just something tow does.
>>98616647>telling someone to play demons in the modern day in tow is like asking someone to drop the soap in a nigerian cell with a shaved and bleached asshole.Well... wouldn't you rather play Daemons though?
>>98616717to all the faggots that run more than 6 of these guys... FUCK YOU. you're cancer
>>98616948pewpew bish
>>98616587This guy. Also, right now there's another dragon on my workshop getting basecoats.
>>98616587Do giants count as monsters? I mean, they're monstrous, but they look a tad too human.
>>98616522Nah your dick will remain but you'll pretend you're a woman instead, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. White liberal women will swarm around you to virtue signal before they realise you play Warhammer and then ditch you in disgust.
>>98617000Giants are monsters in my book
>>98617026Do dwarves eat giants like they do trolls?
>>98616939
I feel like half the anons here play TWW.
>>98617076You'd have to be a real boomer pvirist to not even try one of the better WFB vidya.
>>98617076I play 7th, TOW and TWW1 and 2. I also play Vermintide 1 and 2.
>>98615149No clue on when, it's really weird that they're not in at launch. "Oh well the von Carsteins are currently not a big threat" is a shitty excuse when there's plenty of other vampires running around. Corporate bullshit about not wanting to cross the streams with models. Anyway, their legacy army rules are mostly fine, the big problem is the Vampires themselves. Being limited to Wizard level 3 (and having to pay out the nose for it) makes them very sub-optimal generals, and not having an easy armored caster workaround (but also not having the bloodlines shenanigans of 6th) makes them pigeonholed into dragonlord shenanigans. I'd restore bloodlines but not make them as army-defining as they were in 6th. Carsteins get bonus leadership, Lahmians get bonus initiative, Necrarchs get higher starting wizard level, Blood Dragons get bonus weapon skill, and Strigoi get their own unique statline. Maybe make Jade-Bloods core too, since Cathay's an army now. Make Vampire Powers not overpriced and underwhelming, have an expanded roster of basic powers and a few bloodline exclusive ones each. Make armored casting and level 4 wizard achievable albeit as a tax, and give them a few new units to justify this being a de-legacy-ing.
>>98617076I don't really like the total war games. You're forced to play as named characters and I don't appreciate that. WFB is supposed to be about /yourdudes/. I guess you can primarily play with the generic lords and heroes, but that's still a little sad. Also, those games are absolutely not suitable replacements for the actual game. Nothing is as fun as WFB.
>>98617076ATM I'm again half way through Duke3D (I despise Lunar Apocalypse). You tell me if it has an impact on my hobby life
>>98617076I REALLY wanted to get into them and I still try from time to time but once a few turns the management and battles become too big to keep track off and have fun. I love the concept but wish we had a more mission based mode like the tutorial or Mark of Chaos.
>>98617076What if I only play BOTET ?
>>98617076No wonder the thread quality is so shit
>>98617076Yeah, I do. Recently I've tried playing the Man O'War vidyagaem. It was released in 2017, but feels & looks like it came out in 2009.It's growing on me though.
>>98617243Shadow of the horned rat might be to your taste. Early PC/PS1 game but nice linear missions and mission screen banter. Careful about giving upgrades to your troops.
>>98617493I'm old enough to have played older games too, but they didn't age as well as Mark of Chaos (even if they were better overall).
>shooty army>BS3 across the board so they can't hit shit most of the time>too expensive to spam dice and roll enough 6sWhy James?
>>98617621>>BS3 across the board so they can't hit shit most of the time>
>>98617657>0-1 per 1000 pointsAnd don't forget about the engineer. Because I guess thunderers and bolt throwers can eat shit I guess.
>>98617667In core*
>>98617076Absolutely. Since the release of TOW, the population of this general has been steadily and rapidly replace. Majority of the old grogs and WHFB enthusiasts have been pushed out and replaced with droves of TWW players and AoS/40k types. Anyone that he been here for long enough can notice a remarkable difference in the culture of this general and the quality of the content.
>>98617706White flight right before your eyes!Should have taken a stand, BISH!
>>98611786>>98611828Cathay beim in the game is good. Problem is how GW whitewashed it to appeal to China, but also that besides Chaos Barbarians and Beastmen, Cathay doesnt have any neighbouring hostile nations of size & note that are playable.GW should release Kuresh or even Ind so Cathay can get some big warfare campaigns on their own backyard.
>>98617735they could have plenty of backyard fights if gw wasn't retarded with cross compatibility and legacy factionsskaven, chaos dwarfs, ogres, wolf riders, and dark elves already had enough of a presence in the east without needing to make a faction out of kureshalso because kuresh and ind would work better as a single conjoined range rather than two separate things
>>98617735Aren't there some Orc tribes in Cathay?
>>98617735Cathay has problems with chaos cults inside Cathay, and from the warcom article it seems like they will be explored in the Cathay book.
>>98617023Oh no
>>98617076I don't even have 5h in the first one, and I swore of any and all CA/TW games after that shit show.
>TQIt depends. Back when i started playing armies and the hobby had a very different feel to them. Scratchbuilt weird and wacky units didn't look out of place in almost any army. What determined my path all those yeara ago was the fact that i got a really good deal from a guy in my school who sold me a ton of 4th and 5th edition dwarfs for pennies on the dollar; and i just stuck with them. I have Scratchbuilt things for them and converted toys into artillery etc; but it's fairly hard to do it right.I'm happy with my dwarfs and i enjoy painting them and adding to my never ending collection but, if i had to start today from zero it'd be mainly one of 2 choices.1)humans.I don't really give a fuck and would happily mix and match empire and bretonnian themes. There's just soooooo many alternatives out there for fantasy and historical humans that it would be so easy to just do whatever i wanted exactly how i wanted it. Plus there's still some room for scratch building.2)orcs and goblins.These and skavens are the army that probably remained the most true to its original feel. There's a lot of alternative greenskins out there especially in metal, both seriously grim and whimsically silly. I would also be able to scratchbuild the shit out of everything and it would still look good. Chariots, artillery, unit fillers, monsters, mounts... you name it.
>>98617866So artificial conflicts, got it. How uninteresting.>>98617763>skaven, chaos dwarfs, ogresThese litteraly pose no threat to them at all. For fucks sake ogres maintain neutrality with them so there aren’t any real conflicts with them Chaos dwarves don’t exist, they likely never will, and their supposed geographical location will also never matterSkaven are just free food. Regardless there’s nothing beyond random skirmishes you can do with them, Cathay probably has an all seeing eye that lets them cut them by their roots. >wolf ridersWhy the hell would you mention this. This is literally nothing. This is less than nothing you just typed that because you felt like this you fucking retard. >dark elves Arguably the only one they can have actual dynamics with, both from a meta and in universe one. That being said it’ll never develop into anything interesting. >>98617820There are ant hills outside your house, doesn’t matter when you can plant some dynamite in it.
>>98618059Artificial criticism. How uninteresting.
>>98618077Learn how words work before you attempt to use them you obtuse bastard.
>>98618059>These litteraly pose no threat to them at all.Bullshit, every faction poses a threat to all other factions, that's the point of a wargame, retard.
>>98618059>Why the hell would you mention this.because you faggots mention hobgoblin khanates like a faction, hobgoblin khanates are just wolf riders, and aos has expanded that subfaction.
>>98618124What are they called there? Hub Gitta Wulf Snatchas?
>>98612069finished them properly now with my custom blorc warboss based off an age of smegma model
>>98618173They look great. That banner dwarf is so gnarly.
>>98618146just gitmob, but they've got some retarded names like that for the sun and their units
>>98618173Looks amazing. Can I see the orc boss second from the left?
>TK soon>new TOW book>maybe Kislev teasedBros...the future is looking bright
>>98618596i hate that college.
>>98618649What?
I am the lucky owner of an old school modular realm of battle, two hills, a fortified manor, and arcane ruins. How much terrain is too much? One feature per square?
>>98618833>tfw lost the damn walls that came with the fortified manor
>>98618352i hope you meant this guy, this is my custom blorc warboss made from the age of shitmar model. still remember some anon having a shitfit over me calling AOS bad and saying the models were shit after i posted the initial kitbashing steps. anyway there's a bit of lore for him but i might do a little page write-up for him like the beastfag does for his pale brayherd before posting it.
>>98617076BretGOD here, never played TWW and probably never will unless I can mod all the Bret infantry to look like the 5th edition doods
>>98619191>might do a little page write-up for him like the beastfag does for his pale brayherd before posting it.Good we need more quality posts around here.
>>98619191Thanks man. He looks great! Like a Blorc who's been around the block. Keep up the mint work.
>>98617076I played the first, it wasn't that fun for me.I do play Mark of Chaos, which is the superior WFB game
>>98611786I like Cathay but I think you can thank corporate story telling for why miao ying, of all dragons, moved her ass to the empire instead of doing her job of protecting the bastion. >new army and named character has to be involved in the current narrative>but since we told everyone when launching TOW that the narrative will focus on the old world continent, they will now have to move there for whatever reason
>>98617076>TWWI play pic related.
>>98620084I hope Kul puts Maio Ying in her place.
>>98620095she will be how he's defeated
>>98620107She will convice Magnus to rally the knights and armies of the Empire to unite against the Chaos invasion, all while sending emmisaries to convince the Elves to help and teach the Empire proper magic, and even helping Magnus to stand inside the Flame of Ulric with some ancient cathyan seclet.
>>98620095>>98620107>>98620124either way the anti-everchosen kitten will be cucked
are peasant archers worthwhile as a ranged unit? or should i just arm them with spears?
is it "danse mccab" or "dance mc'caber"?
>>98613413people post this but every job I've worked at or interview I've been too if there's a mousey asian girl there, usually with glasses, she will immediately smell my nerdy white boy clark kent pheromones and try to get my attention.Literally not my fault.
>>98611955>>had a psychotic crisis while heavily pregnant and suddenly decides her first child MUST be born with the Law surname so they had to organise a wedding in ten daysit's not his is it. He got cucked.
>>98620142>tigerman poorly shopped in
>>98614839Depends what you want; Id go for the mounted version of the same character, that way you have more option to field him and, in a pinch, can field both of them at the same time as different characters
>>98616587Bragg's Brutes ready for a scrap (and chow)
>>98617034Wait, where does it sau the eat trolls? Far as I know they use troll blood to make a beer that regenerates in the mug from a single drop
They should get some sort of Legends release, just for fun. Some basic stats, maybe one special rule and the ability to be taken as mercenaries in the "good" factions so you can take all five together.
>>98620440They do in WFRP
This weekend i will paint(i wont)
>>98620422Thanks man. Guess Morgrash is getting a pig after getting killed twice.
>>98620107>>98620124I know you are joking but I am genuinely concerned that being the case.
>>98620433It's just one of those things you know but forgot the source of ages ago.
>>98620472It's debatable if Magnus will have been born yet by 2277IC
Triumph and Treachery. Chorfs vs White Wolves vs Tzeentch vs Khemri.One of three custom scenario of a mini narrative campaign. In this one there's a level 2 wizard in the tower which casts Fireball and Pillar of Flames at the start of every round on random targets. A player can gain the allegiance of the wizard by coming within 1" of tower and solving a riddle. If the answer is wrong or if another player already has the allegiance of the wizard, he'll have to bribe the wizard by spending victory points. Whoever has the allegiance of the wizard at the end of the game can field him in his army for the rest of the campaign.
>>98620496The empire was the first to solve the riddle and gain the allegiance of the wizard.
>>98620497The wizard successfully cast 5 fireballs in 5 turns by the way.
>>98620501The white Wolves move on the demons after the furies wiped out their outriders at the tower.
>>98620507Now of course the catapult snipe the chorf artillery turn one and they retaliate by blasting a unit of skellies to redeath.
>>98620524Now believe or not, the chorfs proceed to shoot that one Tomb Prince with their entire army 3 turns in a row and don't kill him. T5 3W heroes with ward and regen are damn strong in a 500pts format.
>>98620533The empire charge the demons and wipe them out after a couple of turns.The chorf gets flanked by 4 furies but the 7 fireglaives end up wiping them out in melee.I forgot to take more pics but the White Wolves wins the game with victory points and Khemri ends up stealing the allegiance of the wizard on turn 4 and the demons have only one Tzeentch flamer left.
Question for y'all, if I have the Razor Banner attached to a unit of tomb guard with halberds does that give it effectively armorbane (3)?Tq: I'm basically starting from scratch...and I've got tomb kings, Cathay, and goblins on order.
>>98620624first thing: armorbane doesnt stacksecond thing: tomb guard have cleaving blow and ignore armor on 6s to wound against most infantry and cavalry anyway. so they may not need the razor banner in the first place, depending on what you want them to fight.
>>98620387It’s “danz ma-cab-ree”
>>98620482How far are we till the GWAC actually kicks off?
>>98620702GWAC is 2302/2303 so roughly 25 years
>>98620496Really cool idea for a scenario. Gonna steal this idea for my local club, thanks anon.
>>98620472I'm not joking, I'm dead serious, they HAVE to make cathay important in the great war against chaos, and the already contested version of how asavar is defeated will be called into question even further.
>>98620496where did my guy get all those 1994 chaos dwarf models?
>>98620533now that I get a better look these guys look like 3d prints of TWW chorfs.
>>98617076tww IS fun even if tww3 is basically an aos game
>>98620793The new Dwarf music is kino and great for painting up a Hold/Clan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxEfy55PQCw
>>98620723Here's the text file if you want to print/customize it easily.https://files.catbox.moe/yy10wk.odt>>98620746>>98620750They're neither. There are plenty of 3D printed ranges. The big hats chorfs are from Titan Forge and the fireglaives are from meanmanindustries. I could print the originals but the 3D models available nowadays are just better.
>>98617735Ind would be kino. Indian mythology is legitimately pretty interesting and would generally be a pretty good source for fantasification. Plus stuff like the art of "Ten thousand flagellants dragging the automorial of Middenheim Delivered from the Darkness" is almost definitely inspired by jagannaths being pulled by thousands of people
>>98620816>almost definitelyor just thought up in parallel because increasing the size of a parade float and the manpower needed to push it isn't that alien of a concept
>>98617866>>98618059>>98617820>>98617735JADE VAMPIRESCATHAYAN TZEENTCH CULTISTSSNAKE MOMMIESCHAOS WARRIORS/NORSCANS BUT THEY'RE MONGOLIAN
>>98620824>JADE VAMPIRESAren't those more integrated into Cathyian socity then other Vampires?
>>98620826technically there are three bloodlines of cathayan vampires, at least according to the LOREEEEEEEE>the original Jade Vampires of Harakhte, who form cults worshiping themselves as gods, speculated to be jiangshi like>Neferata's handmaiden because she likes that asian pussy, but she never made more of her bloodline for some reason>the missing elixir that Neferata gave to a cathayan prince/diplomat that might be floating around somewhere
>>98620824> CHAOS WARRIORS/NORSCANS BUT THEY'RE MONGOLIANThats the Hung, and they exist already. Would be cool to see a confederation of them, hobgoblin khanate, and ogres as an evil version of Renegade Crowns.
Also the dark elves have long been mentioned as raiding cathay's coasts in the lore
>>98620838>the missing elixir that Neferata gave to a cathayan prince/diplomat that might be floating around somewhereConsidering that it is from the Negash trilogy books, which are rather inconsistent with other lore, it's debatable whether that is canon or not.
>>98620845eburithing is canon, not everything is true
>>98620824cathay tzeench units would be kino as hell
>>98620826No, there's a temple of the jade-blooded in cathay, but it's unclear whether those are the same as the jade-blooded vampires or just another thing that the cathayans call jade-blooded.Also because it's a temple of life magic, despite cathay not associating their life magic with jade like the west.
>>98620816Sadly they'd be white washed like Cathay. One, them and China are often at odds so using one as a good guy and the other as a bad guy or doing anything that can be read as "taking sides" would probably be too much risk for GW and they would worry it would impact their chances of selling their products to those two very large demographics. Not to mention back in the times of old fantasy, around 8th I think, one of the big guys (can't remember the name) mentioned in an interview that he tried pitching Ind or Araby as a new bad guy faction and was straight up told by the suits they can't have a non-white faction as the bad guys because of the implications.So with Kislev coming out that would be another good guy human faction in a game that could use a new evil faction.
>>98620904cathay are bad guys though
>>98620908If you say so.
>>98620741Ironically I am happy my faction is in the background. Too much bastardisation shoving Cathay in. If Miao Ying/Cathay is repelled during the GWAC i'll be happy. Maybe Arbaal can get rid of her.
>>98620919The plan says so, they're not in it.
>>98620932Is there any other mspaint doodles of other factions like this?
>>98620797I call this genre orchestraslop. Devoid of sovl and uniquenessI'll take 240p TING TING TING over this any timehttps://youtu.be/O9hJhXsIBZU
If empire ever gets an marienburg focussed army of infamy I want to be able to take one of these thingsAs if this is a "high elf" unit, wtf.Only humans or dark elves would be silly/ambitious enough to try to tame one
>>98621107When that model was sculpted it was thought as a more generic monster rather than specifically a high elven thing.Elven sea dragons should look closer to the ones depicted on their shields.Even now, if you took that thing and ran it in an empire army, provided you have some kind of manann themed feature like a bsb, banner, priest, or a wizard, I'd not bat an eye.And considering it's not some game breaking bullshit I doubt anyone else would object either.
>>98621153We’ve seen what water monsters look like, and they look like something from bad dragon.
currently building my ogre army.i have 6 bulls, 4 leadbelchers and 5 ironguts.i have to build another box of each. However i used 2 ogre bodies to build said 5 irongut and kitbash a butcher.Hence i need to now decide if i want to build less bulls or leadbelchers.Am i fine with 6 leadbelchers total (building 12 bulls) or should i go full 8. and only have 10 bulls then?Another way would be to build even less bulls or leadbelchers to get a 10th. irongut.I play both 6th and Old world.Ill probably fix the problem by buying more bulls long term but right now i cant seem to untangle this issue, any pointers?
>>98621188Holy fuck it’s a small army figure it out yourself or look online and just copy a meta list or something, I’m sick of you ogre fags looking for advice for your simple as balls army.
>>98621188It seems decent but leadbelchers are a bit tight at smaller points. If you can squeeze in a Mournfang, that'll serve you better. Ignore >>98621207, he can fuck off. Always shitposts to try to ruin the thread.
>>98621153So, just one-headed hydras?
>>98620951
>>98621234This is actually kinda cool
>>98621188Belchers kind of top out at units of 4 for usefulness. Two units of 4 wide make decent flank holders against cav armies and pretty good center point vanguard against infantry armies.
>>98620975It's not Jeff Van Dyck but it's not bad. We were robbed of what Van Dyck would have imagined Warhammer to sound like. He's the music video game GOAT tied with Marty O Donnel.Imagine this but warhammer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4QWG4Y_UAM
>>98621315At least we got Jesper Kyd stuff in Vermintidehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoMEgWmZQh0
>love power fists, regardless of setting>dark elves used to have on back in 6e but nothing since thenDid they add any fist weapons in ToW that can be taken by characters?
>>98621377>dark elves used to have on back in 6eThis back in Shadows over Albion?no SoA was the last time WFB really bothered to have tech weapons like power fists or las guns have rules.I guess the Kroxigors in that one TWW DLC had Power Fists
>>98621216>>98621285thanks. i guess it boils down to the question if i want 12 bulls or 8 leadbelchers. So far im leaning towards 12 bulls, i guess 2x3 belchers work just fine and it would allow me to play 3 units of bulls. Should have mentioned that i play like 70% 6th.edition, i guess bulls are less useful in old world(?)
>>98621394A magical one would be fine too. I mean I can always take any other high strength weapon and model a big fist on the model, but it would be cool if it was an actual one in lore. I'd even settle for a steam powered dwarf made one.
>>98621403They are legacy but if you use the official rules, they're ok but Ironguts seem to be superior, what with great weapons and all.
>>98621377Yeah, but it's niche.
>>98615915stfu ESL
UUUUGGGGHGHHHHH WHEN ARE WE GETTING NEW DARK ELVESSSS
How are night goblins in this edition? Would dusting off the goblin half of Skull Pass be a good start in Battle March?
>>98621483they're alright as long as you take a couple mind goblins
>>98621483Man what a joyful set
>>98621442Where is this from?
>>98621491Epic reference, upvoted.
>>98621483Is this the greatest Warhammer starter set of all time (any game)?
>>98621483SOVL
>>98621514no, the manlet box was not the greatest starter set of all time
>>98621483Night goblins are good. Cheap, can get a decent chunk of combat res in a block, and shamans are very solid spellcasters for their price. But of course fanatics are the thing that carries night goblins more than anything. Just don't spam too many or it'll be boring for your opponent.
>>98621514I'd say there is an argument for 2020 bloodbowl starter set. Blorcs vs nobility was a fun match up and good models.
Anyone here have any experience with the Avatars of War plastics? I was thinking of grabbing their Rangers to have my hooded Crossbow and Great Weapon Dwarfs. Hoping other Anons might have experience with the brand/miniatures. >>98621483>>98621514The novel based on The Battle for Skull Pass was shockingly good and fun to read. Short but sweet. I wish my LGS at the time had stocked non-40k stuff so I could have purchased a box.
>>98621107Fun fact, that Merwyrm model was based on a previous conversion made by Ross Watson, according to Watson himself.
>>98621525Any for chaos or greenskins?
>>98621600>>98620951
>>98621607Thank you.
Couldn’t a dwarf be a necromancer
>>98621635No, since they can't channel the winds of magic>ChorfsThey do turn to stone due to how unnatural it is for them to do it
>>98621635it depends on what assumptions you make on whether dwarfs can or cannot do magic by nature, whether one will or will not react to dark magic by turning to stone, or whether runes can or cannot be made to do dark magic just like they can be used to do normal magicin any case it's a very fringe case and would require an extraordinary character in extraordinary circumstances resulting in an extraordinary type of necromancer, not your run of the mill leech minion but bearded and short
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>>98621564This is all second hand information, but I have heard only the Slayers are a good kit and that the quality of the rest of their dwarf range leads much to be desired.
>>98621686I will look more into this, thank you Anon.
>>98621673>>98621643Shouldn’t the winds of shyish being hijacked by nagash make it easy for virtually anyone to tap into compared to the other winds?
>>98621734That only happened in the end times, and you still needed to be able to channel magic
>>98621514The Island of Blood was pretty kino.And I think the new Old World starter set is also goodI like how compared to 40k/AoS, Fantasy starter sets would have varied armies in them, and it wasn't just "Empire vs chosen opponent for the edition."
>>98621761That Griffin is so expensive to get now. Sucks.
>>98621761Orcs and Goblins got more starters than the Empire in WF
>>98621761More times than not it was high elves though.
>>98621752>only happened in the endtimes Was it? I thought nagash was always an influence on the winds, which is why amethyst wizards are seen as being so volatile. I know azhag got turned into a necromancer but that’s because of the helmets
>>98621514Nah, THIS is the best one.
Has there ever been a case of forsaken chaos warriors coming back to sanity or are they permanently lost like a chaos spawn?
>>98621483I don't think there are night goblin spider riders in this edition.
>>98621483That slayer model was so butt ugly. It has grown on me and become the champion of my unit
>>98621938Those are Forest Goblin spider riders.
>>98621761I've got those models and I'm tempted to pick up the battle march to fill out the units.
>>98621483>Would dusting off the goblin half of Skull Pass be a good start in Battle March?Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing, I literally dusted off the minis that I bought brand new in 2007 lol. They're nice and easy to paint, I'm sure you'll have fun with them.Night goblins can hold their own now, thanks to their special rules. Their leadership value gets boosted by their rank bonus, and they can claim one more rank than usual toward that bonus, so you can end up with Ld9 goblins iirc. Obviously you still need some damage dealing units too, but at least a full night goblin army can be fielded as more than just a joke now, unlike in previous editions where they would flee at the slightest thing.If you're using purely skull pass, a couple of things to bear in mind: TOW minimum troll unit size is 2 iirc, and also I still think you need some damage dealers. Cheap second hand fanatics or squig hoppers maybe. Or the pack of two common trolls to keep slugdrool company.Be sure to post updates if you do dust them off!
>>98621880They're lost and on the path to damnation. Chaos is not forgiving.
>>98621769Weird that they put put the sea guard on new frames but didn't do that for the griffon while at it. One of my favorite High Elf models for sure. Which is high praise for a starter set model.
Just finished the scorpion on the left. One step closer to painting my backlog.
>>98622323Dang these are some of the best looking scorpions I have ever seen.
>>98622328Thanks! It honestly wasn't so difficult to do. Black one was mostly drybrush with some touchups.
>>98622323Nice snippers
>>98622356You should detail how you did those bases, step by step so I can steal the scheme for my eventual skelly bros.
>>98622389You mean the painting stage?
>>98622209Unfortunate. Such is chaos I suppose
>>98622481Yes and also what those ruins are
>>98622520Vallejo Red Leather(and Vallejo Brown Sand mixed 1:1 for some tonal variety) > diluted Wash of choice(either Agrax or Reikland Fleshshade) > Drybrush of Citadel Ratskin Flesh > light drybrush of AP Barbarian Flesh>what those ruins areGSW Egyptian acryllic texture roller
I heard some details were changed about Kislev in the revised core book. Did anything change about any of the other armies?
>>98622755Cathay section got changed but that's more to line up with plotlines like them helping Marianburg, rather than just straight-up lore changes
Why isn’t there a profile for the kdai destroyer for chaos dwarves Also why does the renegade pack change so much for them in the tow builder
I'm reading the Dwarf Player's Guide for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4th edition, and it strikes me that it didn't undergo much revision work. Using a swivel gun requires the Ranged (Swivel Gun) skill? That's...not a thing?At least, the only people who could learn it are Engineers, since they have Ranged (Any), requiring them to forgo Ranged (Blackpowder) or Ranged (Engineering) and they're basically the only ones.Also not a skill that humans need to use their swivel guns. Then the mortars have different penalties to fire out of line of sight (-30 in the table, -20 in the text chunk on mortars). Does anyone know if this was addressed in the errata for the book?
>>98623001>Using a swivel gun requires the Ranged (Swivel Gun) skill?That's still there in the newest version. I guess madAlfred just expects a GM to make up the skill
>>98621788Ding ding ding
>>98621769Is it? Someone gave it to me for free recently, but since I'm not an elf player I donated it to my club. Hopefully whoever took it is actually going to use it in his elf army and not just selling it.
Is it possible for a cathayan sentinel to be corrupted or animated by chaos? I was thinking of running a converted/chaos'd up one as a bonegrinder giant.
>>98623384Lore wise they are normal inanimate statues animated by magical ritual so I don’t see why a chaos corrupted ritual wouldn’t be possible
>>98623405I thought they were animated by a soul completely loyal to the celestial dragon?
>>98623440Those are unconfirmed legends
>>98623333Thank you for posting all these meme pictures. I even got to play a game in between! Where are they from?
>>98623620>>98623620>>98623620>>98623620New
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