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>>98615144Battletech, one of the few wargames where most infantry can run faster in a ten second turn further than a mech mounted machinegun can shoot. Why are MGs so shit? I want my Stinger to stand off and hose the little shits from twenty hexes with it's MGs, not have to get only a single round of shooting before being mobbed with demo charges.
I don’t care that there’s only 3 republics in the setting that have battlemechs and that the largest of them is only 11 systems large. I will defend it to its dying breath, which will probably be soon.
>>98615250Gotta die defending something I guess.
>>98615250I'll always be of the opinion the emergency resolution that kept the Captain-General as a permanent, hereditary position should've been abolished and the modern FWL fully a republic.
>>98615278>Clan rule>republicPick one
>>98615222
>>98615263>brokeDie defending a bunch of politicians or gay civvies>bespoke Die defending your harem of kidnapped Canopian tugjob masseuses and your treasure hoard of drugs, money, and guns
>>98615241Just walk backwards bro. Also infantry run 1 hex a turn, jump or mech infantry can go faster but unless you're in an annihilator or great tortoise you should be able to kite jump infantry and if you're in an annihilator you should be able to shotgun the infantry with 4x AC/10s or LB-X AC/10s.
>>98615250As long as you die, it's fine. Republics are a shit form of government. Humans want to be ruled by a strong male leader who defines the law, not a cucked one who's bound by the law. Aristocratic dictatorships are the natural form of human society, and the sooner the mistake of democracy is dead, the sooner we can get to putting humanity back together and purging the libs and trannies. In Battletech.
>>98615321>t. russian
>>98615321>Aristocratic dictatorships are the natural form of human societyWhich is why they essentially only exist in a vacuum of chaos and geopolitical instability? Pretty much any stable country has some forms of control whether an outright republic, having a senate or parliament, being an elective monarchy, or being limited in raising troops or taxes without some form of approval. Pretty much as soon as feudal Europe began to stabilize you saw the Magna Carta and the implementation of Paris Parlement a century later while Scandinavian monarchies have always been semi-elective with various heavy influences from the upper aristocracy. Hell even the Roman Empire and Eastern Roman Empire had the senate having significant influence on the emperor's authority and right to action and they had ample capability to depose him as armies were loyal to their commanders instead of the emperor personally so it was easy for the senate to say "hey kill this fucker and we'll make you emperor" which is how most civil wars happened, meanwhile senatorial opposition to individuals even those who managed to claim imperial authority in practice often hampered them to the point where they were eventually deposed or forced to recognize senatorial power.
>>98615144>Ghost Bear editionNo this is a Marik edition!
Oh blessed Blake give us our threadly RAT!
>>98615396Legal property of Clan Spirit Cat
What are anons opinions on scouring sands? Worth getting? Is the singleplayer mode fun? My chances of finding someone to play with have dropped to zero unfortunately.I may, if I am extremely lucky be able to fool someone into playing co-op with me at least.
>>98615413The Scats are non canon.
>>98615278Unlike the FedSuns, Lyrans, Draconis Combine, Capellans or even Rasalhague, the FWL has no distinct visual identity or culture of its own and does not deserve to exist
>>98615278Yeah I could never see the appeal of the FWL since at the end of the day it’s just a monarchy in all but name. What’s even the point? This isn’t fucking game of thrones, I don’t give a shit about your dynastic political infighting, I just want a cool faction to paint on my guys.
>>98615475It's because House Kurita is the only one to stick to a theme and actually try to express it visually. The Liaos switched up their identity under Sun-Tzu and it feels cheap, but at least they're still distinct regardless of Era.The Mariks, Steiners, and Davions are all vaguely European knights but also don't do anything interesting with it.Davions were supposed to be full on white knights, but that quickly got dropped when they were made bland to appeal as a generic good guy faction for the books even though that defeated the original purpose of the setting's backdrop.The Steiners are vaguely German and like big, heavy mechs even though everyone else has those same big, heavy mechs anyway.The writers forgot the FWL exists.If even one of them went all in on knightly aesthetic they'd have completely mogged the other two by virtue of actually being interesting without writers having to prop them up the way Davions were hard carried by Hanse glaze for most of their protag faction era.
>>98615485/40kg/ few blocks down the street.
Continuing with the aesthetics discussion, I'd argue while the Dracs and Cappies have some unique designs, and the Fedsuns and Lyrans tend to be similar and share a knight aesthetic at times, the FWL should give itself more of a republic vibe, a mix of US/Rome without going full romaboo like the Marians.Frankly bringing back Mariks was a mistake, the FWL should have refused into a full Republic with the Captain-General being an elected position relying on votes from the Senate. Lean on the fact the iron hold of a Successor House is at an end, unlike the rest of the Successor States.
Instead of the Great Houses, a new BT universe should be introduced under the Continuum series in which the IS is dominated by five megacorporations which I created for my own original setting: Capitol (US), Bauhaus (European), Mishima (Japanese), Imperial (British) and Cybertronic (AdMech/Comstar)
>>98615499>Frankly bringing back Mariks was a mistakeIdiot
>>98615509Probably be one of their AU ideas that probably would have done better than Gothic.
>>98615499Rasalhague should have been allowed to continue and FWL is the one that should have gone under to Clanner rape. Rasalhague at least had a unique origin and history, and cultural and political distinctions setting it apart from the other Inner Sphere major factions. Unlike the fucking Mariks
>>98615509Aren’t the great houses literally just megacorporations with private owners
Are we all feeling SAFE today?
>>98615535The Clans shoulve come from the "east," invading the Outworlds Alliance, FedSuns, and Combine. This way the two biggest swinging dick powers eat the majority of the shit, the only minor faction killed is a nothingburger one with a bunch of wooden space shacks, and we get to keep the other major Periphery powers, the Bandit Kingdoms, AND the FRR.
>>98615509>>98615567A number of Succ Houses rose into power as owners of merchant fleets that added "invasion" to their product portfolio.You're welcome.
>>98615535Wasn't Rasalhague specifically created to job to the Clans so there wouldn't be major territorial changes for the existing Successor States
>>98615669>And the FRRWhy are you trying to keep the two Scandinavians from teaming up?
>>98615786Hmmm, I dont remember them being so big. I'm not complaining thou.
>>98615521I just think factions should stay dead.>FWL comes back from dead>Eridani Light Horse comes back from dead>Gray Death Legion comes back from dead>Smoke Jaguar comes back from deadThere's really zero long-term consequences to anything.
>>98615821WoB soon.
>>98615241>MGs are shitThis really bothers me and is way to much of an artifact of the fact this was designed to be a game first before anything, but even then it still doesn't make sense that MGs are so ass. Idk why BT is scared to do this but they should add an ammo type that gets introduced in later eras that allows for their range to at least be doubled with no drawbacks. By all accounts MGs are like 20mm vulcans, no reason for them to have a range of like 90 meters when IRL handheld squad automatic machine guns have an effective range of like 5X that. Makes no damn sense, plus MGs with double range would make MG spam mechs more viable which would be fun but the BT devs hate any kinds of fun that isn't medium laser spam fun
>>98615821Again, idiot.
>>98615821>There's really zero long-term consequences to anything.Plenty of short-term though, clan jade falcon is going to be licking their wounds for the next century at least after Malvina HazenAssuming the remnants don't all end up getting absorbed by the Alyina Mercantile League and they turn into a discount clan diamond shark without as many battleships.
>>98615828They're to retcon that the whole Dark Age and ilclan era as an in universe fictional holovid show set in an alt history where the Blakists lost the Jihad.
>>98615499No I like the FWL being space balkans. The fact they are their own inner sphere within the inner sphere in terms of inter-conflict is funny to me and I'm not even a huge FWL fan, I just have a proclivity towards their mechs
>>98615821>>FWL comes back from deadYeah no shit. Just like Poland came back several times.Also, Julio-Claudio and Severus dynasties.>>Eridani Light Horse comes back from dead>>Gray Death Legion comes back from deadThose names are fucking brand, of course someone will pick them up. It's like being mad at the fact that somehow GM and Nissan survived in BT universe.>>Smoke Jaguar comes back from deadFidelis joinning Alaric was borderline questionable-retarded decision.Alaric ressurecting them as Clan actually makes more sense, flex of power of Third Star League over corpse of the Second Star League, also same political shit as creation of clans Jade Wolf and Stone Lion.
>>98614826A bit late, but that's quite opposite.Vlad the Cuck followed Clan-law to the letter, he presented legitimate case and issue batchall to kill Cretchell.Alaric went full spheroid.Which just reflects what hapenned with Crusader Yiffs.
>>98615376The oldest form of human government is monarchy. It has survived communism, fascism, and liberalism, and when the west falls and America is dead, monarchism will plant its flag on its corpse.
>>98615932You do realise that oldest of the existing monarchies resides in the West mostly?
>>98615932>The oldest form of human government is monarchyNot in any meaningful sense. Oldest forms of government recorded were more along the lines of eldership consensus.>What do you think Grug leader of Oog tribe?>What do you think Ug leader of Mog tribe?>What do you think Bug leader of Gug tribe?The only time you see unregulated authoritarianism is in unstable shitholes like Iraq under Saddam or full fledged tribalism like early Feudal Europe, and even then succession is so arbitrary that calling any of them monarchies is a stretch when someone can just arvitrarily topple the king and nobody bats an eye or the king dies and a warlord murders all his children and declares himself king. What was the basis for the deposition of the Merovingians? Pepinids were the real power so yeah, go for it. Who got to be king of Italy? Well the nobles invited Louis to depose Berengar and then invited Berengar to depose Louis and then invited Louis to depose Berengar and Louis was finally defeated and blinded.This idea of monarchism outside of the early modern era having any formality or anything resembling consistent hereditary succession is a fabrication. The first consistently followed and formally written succession laws were those of France under Philip VI. Before that even agnatic succession was largely arbitrary, ignored when inconvenient, and usurpation on shaky or no grounds was common.
>>98615850The league will absorb them because theyre run by a stronk black womyn who dont need no caste system and will therefore conquer 400 planets with no effort at all in their next appearance
>>98616002Based knower>>98615932Cringe larper
Sometime this month or next, my group will be starting a Draconis Reach campaign. I'm waiting on the Core book hitting shelves. After lessons learned in the Hinterlands, the DR campaign will have everyone join one of two mercenary cooperatives similar to the canon Lone Wolves, and everyone in the coop takes the same contract, which is always opposed to the other coop's contract. This'll keep us synced up in time and space. We decided that the merc company some of us made up for Scouring Sands will be the core of one coop. Since they're named the Roadrunners, the other coop inevitably got named the Coyotes. I'm also gonna do a Mech Draft to start the companies. Everyone shows up with four mechs, stands around a table, passes them to the left, picks one, and passes the rest. This gets us the starting lineups for everyone. Should be fun.
>>98615376>>98616002God I love this general, one of the few places on /tg/ that will clap back at bootlickers with historical receipts!
>>98615321>Humans want to be ruled by a strong male leader who defines the lawUnironically sounds really fucking gay desu.
>>98615959Yes, and? Battletech is a European game.
>>98616122That can't be true, it requires reading.
>>98615834I agree that they should have better range vs infantry but the rate at which they kill them is a bit ridiculous. But adding a suppression mechanic for infantry is something that people will hate I think.
>>98615815I don't want the soulful FRR combined with Clan Reddit Bear. (Joking, but I don't like small IS powers disappearing.)
>>98616269Feels like the small IS powers should disappear. The Great Houses are so stable that there’s just not much room for balkanization in the setting.
>>98615455I enjoyed scouring the MUL and MekBay for bullshit I could throw at the AI next I will admit. Also, fuck that horrible little shit the Locust IIC. First mission threw that hateful little thing at me and it basically fragged a brand new Rakshasa and Avatar before we were able to take it down. After that we afforded it a lot more respect and targeted it first.I'm currently going into the last mission, having replaced the Avatar with a Timber Wolf and abusing the designers notes on cheap Omni-Pod swap costs. My mate decided to blow the rest of our bank on swapping out his old Thunderbolt for the meanest Daishi we could find on the MUL, and now we've got a Batchall to accept to finish things off.I do like how they go out of there way to give Probes and ECM actual things to do that are scout related too.
>>98615821ELH and FWL never should have been killed off.
>>98616300The lack of JunpShips and DropShips makes fragmentation more, not less, likely.
>>98615834BT is scared of substantial game design changes generally. CGL are also lazy and stupid so they're always going to do as little as possible.
>>98616378Not really, it’s not like some shithole planet filled with illiterate peasants that produces nothing but the left shoe strings of boots is going to be independent without a navy of its own
Has genetic engineering created functional hermaphrodites like in pic related or are they/thems just attention whores and perverted rapists like in real life?
>>98616919Most factions could do it if they wanted to, and some factions could do it en masse, but the only ones that actually conceivably do that are the star league as one of their fucked up colonization experiments and the gene caste because they're already freaks (if they're even real).
>>98616810>going to be independent without a navy of its ownWell what Navy are you going to suppress them with?!>>98616919>Has genetic engineering created functional hermaphroditesI mean it's a possibility, biggest issue is fitting everything in...
>>98616966>Well what Navy are you going to suppress them with?!Suppress them? You don’t need to suppress them. Just stop supplying them with food and they’ll literally all starve to death.
>>98616919Biology guy here: Genetic engineering can't really create functional hermaphrodites, because mammal genitals are derived from the bipotential gonad. A paired structure differentiates into either the testicles or ovaries, and the genitourinary tract differentiates into either penis or vagina, via a very long process that starts with the same tissues.Your question is like asking if baking has managed to create both an apple pie and apple tart from the same apples. You need more apples to do both.Theoretically, it would be possible to cybernetically create prosthetics that could be grafted in, or even culture the tissues to surgically attach, but that's a whole other question. Cybernetics that look and feel realistic and have nervous input are within Battletech's technology and probably your best bet.>>98616976I thought all those mono-product colonies already starved during the first succession war and since then nobody sets them up?
>>98616984>thought all those mono-product colonies already starved during the first succession war and since then nobody sets them up?I mean, who’s going to re-establish colonies? The great houses, who have every reason to continue the practice.
>>98617008Have they canonically though?
>>98617014Even if they don’t, starving illiterate peasants with sticks don’t make for good revolutionaries against mechs
>>98617031So you're just rambling about how much more economic sense your ideas make than what happens in Battletech?
>>98617045I mean planets being poor is just canon, that’s why they use convees
>>98616984>Genetic engineering can't really create functional hermaphroditesWhat about Omni-gamates?>I thought all those mono-product colonies already starved during the first succession war and since then nobody sets them up?And how does claiming ownership of a DEAD colony benefit anyone anyways?
>>98616096Holy mother of projection and father issues.
>>98617074Fuck off manic. Drop a cabinet on your mom again.
>>98616984>I thought all those mono-product colonies already starved during the first succession war and since then nobody sets them up?How badly a shitty mono-product planet got fucked up is variable, and not all planets listed as dead actually died.The great houses never had a reason to reestablish generic colonies in the face of the succession wars, but dead colonies are a great place to put a secret military base/staging point. Pirates love using them as bases/secret kingdoms, of course. Lostech prospectors might show up looking for lostech that was left behind. Cults might privately finance a colony/compound so their leaders can play god, but that's usually similar enough to pirates that no one else cares to differentiate them.
>>98616984For what it's worth, the ones in Sidonia aren't actually herms. I think they're called "Tiresians". They're humans born with delayed sexual differentiation. They start out sexless but develop into one or the other when they find a suitable mate.
>>98617161I only watched the first season of Sidonia and apparently missed that entirely. It's the sort of sci fi idea where it's interesting enough I'll shrug off how possible it is.
>>98617189Well in BT, genetic engineering can create fish people, and clan scientists will emphatically deny using ape-like alien DNA in the creation of elementals, whether you ask them about alien ape DNA or not.
>>98617203>hey, good work on that new myomer pattern, we're getting an easy 3% less stress on the knee actuators without any notable loss in power>we didn't use monkey juice in the first generation of elementals>what?>there were no aliens involved in elementals>but... we're not talking about elementals>yeah, but they were selectively bred from normal human gamete pairings>ok
>>98615815>one founder had a swedish last name and they have a vague arctic theme>GHOST BEARS ARE SCANDIES!Loren Coleman-level logic.
>>98617138No, there is SCIENCE to do!
>>98616122Anon, Battletech was created in Chicago by some dudes from Illinois.Warhammer is a European game, Battletech is All-American.
>>98617203Where are the fish people mentioned? I know they have mermaids in Canopus, but they're just cyborgs with robot fish tails.
>>98617633I always thought they were originally in Seattle or somewhere else on the West Coast, what with all the references to Japan and other Asian cultures and a lot of important locations in the Star League era like Yakima Base and Unity City being in that region.
>>98617811Frobisher. They're full on fish people, gills and all. The Star League was trying to engineer a population to better colonize water worlds and it was mostly working out until the star league collapsed, Canopus paperclipped all the researchers, and mysterious pirates with exact knowledge of where all the fancy medical technology was kept started raiding the place. By the time it was rediscovered by people other than those mysterious pirates, the lack of active intervention has left their genetics all kinds of fucked up, with failing immune systems and other inherited problems, and it's likely they'll only get worse as the generations go on unless some seriously talented geneticists step up to fix the problems of a population of very poor and very out of the way fish people who can't offer any kind of meaningful payment or reward for doing so.
>>98617846The fish are the most extreme star league genetic modification (that we know of), but it's not the only one. There are populations that have been genetically adapted to thrive in higher or lower gravity. iirc, there are also populations modified so their bodies don't have a lethal reaction to airborne alien contaminants. Some of these groups have co-mingled, some are legally prevented from breeding with baseline humans.
>>98617846In case anyone's curious: Gills would not actually provide enough oxygen for a human. Humans can live with air that's 20% oxygen, so a liter of air provides about 200 mL of free oxygen. Seawater only provides 6-8 mL of free oxygen per liter, so adapting a mammal to breath oxygen would require a much lower metabolic rate and a massive reduction in the size and capability of an oxygen-hungry mammal brain. This is why, despite adapting to live in water, dolphins and whales will never evolve. Breathing air allows them to have much high metabolic rates and more brain capacity, giving them a unique evolutionary niche as compared to the sharks and whale sharks that are their main competitors.And before someone asks, cracking water into free oxygen and hydrogen is a hugely intensive process that would not provide returns biologically. But this is a big stompy mech game, not an evolutionary biology game.
>>98617829Japanese culture and soft power was huge in the 80s, they had the second largest economy for a time
You know that, at least once during the early clan invasions, a clanner issued a batchall and was responded to by a sarcastic comms officer LARPing his ass off.
>"The Smoke Jaguar claims this world! Identify the forces that defend it so that we from the mists of space may know on whom we pounce!">"Sorry buddy. Unfortunately for you the only thing defending this world are Deez."
>>98617996The best one was the Von Strang IMO, figured out exactly who they were before anybody else and told them exactly how to fuck off.
>>98617978Alien gills
>>98617829They decided on Seattle for Shadowrun basically on the grounds that it was the largest city no one ever touched. Unity City is there because they decided that they liked it.>>98617978I think that the Frobisherians can still breath air. They just also have gills.
>>98618040I think fat bastard Helmar is better>sakhan deez nuts
>>98615396kino uniformis it AI?>>98615786>181x250
>>98618040I have mixed feelings on the periphery but RWR remnants confronting clanners is always sick as fuck.The more vehemently anti-SL parts of the periphery fundamentally despise the core principles of Clan ideology and I find that fascinating when they interact. When Clanners confront the Great Houses and Comstar, the parties involved are on some level operating under the same fundamental tenet upon which they all agree: "The Star League was great and it should come back." Conflict arises from the differing natures of each side's resurrected Star League (mainly who gets to rule it).But Von Strang and the more extremist Taurians reject this tenet outright and abhor the SL as a concept. To a Clanner, this mindset is probably nearly incomprehensible.
>>98618213I don't subscribe to the whole "THEY WOULD HAVE STARTED TOSSING NUKE!" school, but seeing the Clanners invade the Taurians would have been hilarious as fuck.destroying the CapCon would have been a nice bonus
>>98618213>nd the more extremist TauriansNot even the more extremist Taurians. I feel like "Star League bad" was a central tenet of Taurian culture.
>>98618225Forgot the picture
>>98618231Preposterous. Now, shut up and eat your shoes, citizen.
Is it time again for 1629 is the best 3025 sourcebook?
>>986182561629 is just the best sourcebook, in general, in all eras.
>>98618262Fuck, meant this one.
>>98618028>Clan Updog? Who are Clan Updog?
>>98618213I would also like to add one thing on the subject of Clanners dealing with RWR remnants: I still cannot believe that the one crazy comstar guy LARPing as the descendant of Stefan Amaris turned out to not be LARPing at all and was actually the real deal.
>>98618302I assume the Amaris bloodline is one of those "automatic promotions if you kill them" ones. Like the people distantly related to Wolverine from before the exodus even happened. Clanners headhunting random civilians because their fourteenth cousin eight times removed was a founding clanner surely endeared the clans in the eyes of the public.
>>98618283>>98618262>the book that tried to legitimatize tranny propaganda >goodThat book is shit and so are you.
>>98618283The "Coffee, tea or me?" line is almost as legendary as "I give you the Capellan Confederation."
>>98618315Given that killing “Richard Amaris VII” and presenting his severed head to the clan council got the disgraced Steel Viper who did so readmitted to the clan, I’d say your assumption is likely right.
>>98618321Are the tranny propagandists in the room with you right now?
>>98616078>Everyone shows up with four mechs, stands around a table, passes them to the left, picks one, and passes the restGood idea!
>>98618321>The book that showed the MoC as a once-legitimate state sliding into total barbarism>A state ruled by a poison witch who used men like cumrags before executing them>The state sending human waves of men to die against the enemy before even committing their tanksSure did make you want to side with them, yep.
>>98618348
>>98618340You're posting here, aren't you?
>>98618283There are multiple versions of this story too.
>>98618355>Ywn be catcalled, accosted and groped by corrupt qt Dandavella militiawomen
>>98618283>>98618398
>>98618283>>98618398I love the idea that this is an in-universe legend.
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>>98618424Why is CGL so fucking averse to depicting hot women? They're supposed to be sex incarnate. Picrel should have been the MINIMUM viable standard for showing a Centrella.
>>98618512Sister, that's not a Centrella. That's Ian Marik's mom.
>>98618512Why would they be hot? The entire Terran Alliance and its successor states is the descendants of the European Union.
>>98617105the irony to this post is palatable
>>98615850I think they'll get rid of Alyina and they'll get merged with Chistu and/or absorbed by the Horses.
>>98618732Doubtful. They gave Alyina one of the first few reactivated HPGs, which means that Alyina is gonna stick around. If they were jobbers to be killed off, someone else would've got the HPG.
>>98618762Unless the HPG is just a prize to be won by someone more important.
>>98618762>If they were jobbers to be killed off, someone else would've got the HPG.Someone else can get the HPG by killing Alyina. Sea Fox could also steal it, like they do everything.
>>98618823Alyina is just an extension of Sea Fox, so yeah, they're invincible, because nothing bad happens to Sea Fox
>>98618762>if they wanted a shark to have all these fish guts, why am I holding the gut bucket while treading water, huh?
>>98618512Because most of the time, the characters are depicted as portraits made late in their reign not early on, and often come into power in their 40-50s into an extremely highly stressful position as head of a state.Sure they could have access to the best medical care, but by all indications of stuff like average age and the like, the common person on the street lives longer lives than major players in the Inner Sphere by decades.Like, the common Inner Sphere citizen has a life expectancy in the 90s with some going to 150. Meanwhile, it's kinda hard for any IS noble to live into their 80s.
>>98619369>Meanwhile, it's kinda hard for any IS noble to live into their 80s.A nontrivial part of that is coming from assassinations, though.
>>98615455they needed to put in like 10x the aces decks
How viable would it be to have an army that only uses Warhammers, Archers, Riflemans,and Longbows?
>>98619699That is one sexy lance.
>>98619699In the 16th century maybe, not the 32nd.
Would a Casaba Howitzer type weapon be at all effective against a battlemech? Or are they generally too strong for nuclear weapons to hurt.
>>98619699The lack of recon elements would be pretty painful.
>>98619518which would add to the stress to be fair. The noble has to avoid every assassination attempt every time, an assassin just needs to succeed once.
Instead of the Terran Alliance/Hegemony and Successor States, Battletech should explore an AH like Gothic in which the Inner Sphere is still divided into capitalist West and communist East
>>98619757Casaba howitzer is a space weapon. But anyway, we have no idea. The bombs used are in a range with the larger nuclear weapons in the game.But the idea of the device is to make what's effectively a giant-ass laser. So who the fuck knows?
>>98619699That's a Crusader, not a Longbow
>>98615893What was the point of the Refusal War if you're just going to have Vlad Ward kill the Jade Falcon leadership and declare Wolf independence again?What was the point of splitting Clan Wolf into Warden and Crusader when they were eventually reunited again?What was the point of wiping out Smoke Jaguar if they are going to be resuscitated again by the IlClan era?What was the point of uniting the Lyran Commonwealth and Federated Suns if you're just going to break it up again after the FedCom civil war?What was the point of renaming it to the Lyran Alliance if Adam Steiner is just going to rename it back to the Lyran Commonwealth?What was the point of the Blakist Jihad if Comstar was going to lose and nothing changes?What was the point of the Dark Age when everyone would eventually recover to the same level of technology and there were no meaningful territorial changes to the Great Houses?What was the point of the Republic of the Sphere when it was just going to fall apart the moment Devlin Stone died and the IS went back to fighting among itself?What was the point of Operation Revival failing if Clan Wolf was just going to come in and win one hundred years later?
>>98619831>What was the point of the Refusal War if you're just going to have Vlad Ward kill the Jade Falcon leadership and declare Wolf independence again?Okay, but this actually was pointless.
>>98619815No, your idea is shit. Go away predittor.
What's a good way to paint heat sinks that are at low/neutral heat?If it matters, I'm aiming for a camo pattern in the vein of desert/brushland/savannah camo.
>>98618040Intensely based, the Clans fear the Periphery's vengeance for the crimes of the depraved Star League
>>98618398Which book is this?
>>98618338>presenting his severed head to the clan council got the disgraced Steel Viper who did so readmitted to the clan>Steel Vipers dispensing righteous justice on the right side of historyYou are welcome.
>>98620135You are getting the claw treatment anyway.
>>98620157>bloodlines so degenerate they willingly use dezgra weapons and call it totemicYour ilk deserve the Wolf knot, surat. The Founder himself would have spat in your face.
>>98615321Your dad really failed you.
>>98620184You are his dad
>>98620182U lost Tukayyid.Your words mean nothing.
>>98620249Tukayyid was a fool's bargain, and a trap. In spite of Devil's Bath, Steel Viper withdrew in good order with minimal losses. Contrast that with the tremendous losses other (lesser) Clans suffered on that miserable rock and then speak of meaning.
>>98620300>, Steel Viper withdrew in good order with minimal losses.Holy cope.
>>98619369I mean, there's stressful situations, and then there's aging at a speed that rivals whatever the fuck is going on in Tatooine that can turn Ewan McGregor to Sir Alec Guiness in less than 10 years.
>>98620182Why ARE melee attacks considered dishonourable anyway? Was it just a case of one of Kerensky's autistic sons going "NO THAT'S MEAN! WAAAAAH!" like most clanner stuff?
>>98620316Statement of fact, read a book.>>98620363Tbh I am still looking for that reason in lore. Someone more knowledgeable may shed more light on it than any of my guesses why. Personally, I wish it was less of a big deal, Clan Omnis kitted out with melee weapons as a regular thing would be a sweet Solaris circuit category.
>>98616810Those aren't the ones that make up small factions like FRR anyway. That is a heavily industrialized and militarized part of space. They have heft.The only reason factions like the Outworlds Alliance exist, meanwhile, is there's nothing worth the bother of conquering them.
ilclan era.merc faction400 PV.at least 8 unitsno more than 2 of any one chassis variant of not mech.no more than 2 of any chassis of mech, no duplicate variants of said mechi think my list is:...Heavy Battle Lancebl-18-knt black knightwhm-10k warhammerarc-7c archerc3 riflemanUnderstrength Battle Lancegrf-2n griffinc hunchbackngs-7s nightskyBattle Lance(armour) vedette(xl) manticore(armour) vedette(xl) manticoresum total of 398 pv.mix of roles, no REALLY slow mechs, some jumpers, etc. and a solid pair of lances, heavy mechs and tonks. with a trio of fun mediums because why the fuck not?
>>98619831>What was the point of the Refusal War if you're just going to have Vlad Ward kill the Jade Falcon leadership and declare Wolf independence again?To make Yiffs Crusader clans and so antagonists.To make both Green Birds and Yiffs weakened so they couldn't resume invasion in near future (that's literally was Ulric's plan)>What was the point of splitting Clan Wolf into Warden and Crusader when they were eventually reunited again?Different time, different writters, but let's not pretend LCW wasn't a collosal clusterfuck of incompetence and mistreat of its subjects, so no wonder why clanners jumped the ship, just like Spirit Cats.>What was the point of wiping out Smoke Jaguar if they are going to be resuscitated again by the IlClan era?To ressurect them. To give them identity crisis (but sadly it will never go further).>What was the point of uniting the Lyran Commonwealth and Federated Suns if you're just going to break it up again after the FedCom civil war?You've answered your question right there.>What was the point of renaming it to the Lyran Alliance if Adam Steiner is just going to rename it back to the Lyran Commonwealth?The same reason why Aurigan coalition was renamed into Directorate.>What was the point of the Blakist Jihad if Comstar was going to lose and nothing changes?Wanna buy some Comstar stocks anon?>What was the point of the Dark Age when everyone would eventually recover to the same level of technology and there were no meaningful territorial changes to the Great Houses?>What was the point of the Republic of the Sphere when it was just going to fall apart the moment Devlin Stone died and the IS went back to fighting among itself?>What was the point of Operation Revival failing if Clan Wolf was just going to come in and win one hundred years later?Are u okay 40k-kid?
>>98618827>Alyina is just an extension of Sea Fox, so yeahHow so?Sea Fox are clanners and so they are part of the Third Star league, the same Star League which considers Alyina a property of CJF.
>>98618732I think that would be a shame since they are a fairly unique faction, being Clanners who realized the warrior caste is a bunch of retards that fucked everything up for the rest of them, and reformed their society with the merchant caste in charge (CDS/CSF is similar but they're still led by warriors and do all the standard Clan retardation, but those warriors are also merchants on the side).
>>98620980>being ClannersThey aren't clanners, they hate being clanners in the past and doesn't want to become clanners again.
Did the goons ever use wolverines or was that too taboo?
>98619831>It's this guy againugh>>98621066MUL shows them using the WVR-6R in the late succession wars. Possibly because early sources did so before the whole "not named clan" thing has worked out, but it effectively shows how the Goons had already drifted from core Clan culture early on. As expected from a bunch of isolated freebirths
>>98620980>muh super speshul faction that sees through the lies and is totally smarter than everyone else guize seriously theyre so enlightened because they just are okay!>im so cool all those old fogey authors were just a bunch of morons, my faction will be way more better to show how much better of a writer I am Fuck that shit and fuck you in particular
>>98621066Dismissing a venerable, well regarded Battlemech that saw widespread use in the SLDF would be disrespectful to everything they believe in, so Clanners just call them Conjurers to cope. Even factories under Clanner control will be converted into Conjurer factories when possible.
Did anyone read the current free short story? “Take Your Daughter To Work Day” by Tom Leveen.
>>98621121Having breakaway factions that are meaningfully distinct from their parent factions is more interesting than resurrecting the Smoke Jaguars and making everything about Clan Wolf.
>>98621125Man they really went the extra mile to make this thing as mid as it gets huh? If not for clan large pulses being busted everything would crush this mech.
>>98621139Go play 40k if you want to balkanize everything on the altar of YourDudes where anything can happen and neither history, rules or logistics matter, micro factions are retarded.
>>98621139I do however agree that resurrecting the Jaguars was retarded. It fits with Alaric also being retarded, but two wrongs dont make good writing.
>>98621121I don’t think AML is meant to be ‘smarter’ than CJF. The idea seems to be, the Merchant Factor was as pissed at Malvina as any Falcon left in the OZ and maybe even more so because Malvina wasn’t the type (unlike previous Khans) to really value stuff like investments. It’s pretty easy to imagine concluding the whole organization is deeply flawed if someone like Malvina manages to take control of it. Now, we’d all sing a different tune if she had own on Terra.
>>98620363Supposedly they see melee attacks as more reckless and uncontrollable, which is directly counter to their idea of minimum destruction warfare. Two mechs bashing each other does do more "unnecessary" damage compared to the ideal situation of a laser precision carving a hole in the enemy's gyro to force a surrender. But in practice shooting someone with a UAC/20 or wildly blasting them with 8 mpls isn't much less destructive, and happens a lot more often than getting a single perfect skill shot for the win.
Hello frens,I fancy getting into Battletech classic and I’ve already got some miniatures because I backed the mercenaries kickstarter, but I didn’t have time to play. Now that I’ve got the time, I’d like to play but I’ve got a problem : I’ve absolutely no idea what to play with the miniatures I’ve got. I’ve got loads of vehicles, and I was planning to play with loads of them, but I’ve been told that playing with too many of them is cancer af and I don’t want to end up with a nofun list that won’t be any fun for anyone. Here’s a list of all my mechs and vehicles :Devastator, Flea, Firefly, Caesar, Quickdraw, Starslayer, Otsol, Chameleon, Cicada, Clint, Hermes II, Dervish, Jagermech, Scorpion, Vulkan, Whithworth, Locust IIC, Highlander IIC, Black Python Maxim tank, Galleon tank, 4 Savannah Masters, Patton, 5 SRM/LRM carriers, SM5 Field Commander, 2 HT Demolishers, PPC Schrek, 2 Condor Hover Tanks, 2 Pegasus Hover Tanks, 2 Manicores, 2 patrol boats Yeh t’s a lot, and that’s exactly the problem because I don’t know which ones to prioritise for painting... I’d really like to put together a bit of an IS OpFor/militia list with light and medium mechs and vehicles, but I’m not sure what to play, etc.Does anyone have any ideas for potential lists using theses units ? Tips for list building etc ?Thanks frens
>>98621183It isnt unreasonable to imagine those left behind as trying to make something from the rubble, but their leader immediately makes it just another culture war stand-in that will never do wrong or be seen making an error. Jiyi Chistu will fight them, be shown the error of his outdated ways, and be humbled then absorbed.
>>98615250I will fight for the grand army of the republic. Detroit belongs to the reach!!!
>>98621157>micro factions are retarded.Not in the Hinterlands.The main issue would be if those micro-states will become permanent residents of the region.
>>98621248Your friends are weak and deserve to be punished for their cowardice. You fight your opponent's bullshit list, you lose to it until you gain experience and git gud, and you become a real player instead of a whiny bitch. As soon as you start telling people they can't run certain armies, you start losing brain cells by never being challenged. Resist the temptation, the siren call of wallowing in being a casual shitter forever.They are hereby sentenced to burial by Savannah Master swarm.
>>98621248Don't commit to anything. Because battletech games are typically 3-6 units, people expect you to throw a new list together every time you organize a game.Your idea of doing a militia list is a good one. I would paint up the Ostsol, Dervish, Scorpion, and Starslayer to form your first lance. Back it up with the 2 manticores, Maxim, and Galleon when you want vehicle support. Then expand from there.
>>98621248Also hit em with that good Black Python jumping pulse, really make em feel it in the rear arc. Same thing with the Locust IIC, its great for teaching players to check flanking angles before trundling forward like a brainless idiot.
>>98620363It's akin to admitting incompetence and relying on the weight of your mech over actual marksmanship. Any retarded conscript can run headlong into an enemy mech and start swinging, gunning down an enemy mech takes skill.Or at least that's the idea.
>>98621183>The idea seems to be, the Merchant Factor was as pissed at Malvina as any Falcon left in the OZ and maybe even more so because Malvina wasn’t the typeWhy lie here?Merchant Factor was mad because she literally blamed ebil white clanners hating her for skin colour and thus sabotaging, somehow, her Trial of Position.
>>98621294It's probably best to ignore Bryan Young's first attempt at writing clanners that got everything completely wrong
>>98621272Should they be absorbed or destroyed as they should be given the impossibility of maintaining a small independent nation in Battletech, I will retract most of my concerns. Tiny fragments simply dont have the resources or defense in depth to avoid being broken by the loss of a single world, which larger powers can both easily make happen as well as endure the same loss themselves.
>>98621294This. It's literally "Be silent, a Black Woman is speaking" in faction form. She'll wind up ruling the entire Clan OZ in a few years due to her inherently superior value and mentality.
>>98621302>Tiny fragments simply dont have the resources or defense in depth to avoid being broken by the loss of a single world, which larger powers can both easily make happen as well as endure the same loss themselves.Ahem anon... ever heard about Comstar?Also, you are an idiot, who ignores millenias of history of small compact countries/nations/regions defending themselves from bigger powers.
>>98621294I haven't read the story, but going by their description in the sourcebook the impression I get of them is CJF merchants going "the warriors put that psychopath Malvina in charge and she proceeded to self-destruct our entire Clan in her autistic meltdown. Why the fuck were those meatheads in charge in the first place?", which is a valid question to ask, given the average Clan warrior clearly has an IQ smaller than his shoe size.
>>98621322In a world where you can go hole up in the mountains or on an island where terrain protects you from greater powers, sure. None of that applies in space. And you're really going to pretend Comstar, ruler of Terra with infinite money, political and religious protection and a gorillion SLDF battlemechs on top of all that, is in any way comparable to 1-4 random burnt out, badly populated planets in the Hinterlands? Holy shit you're retarded.
>>98621290>relying on the weight of your mechI mean, weight is going to be an advantage in most circumstances. More guns, more armor.>Any retarded conscript can run headlong into an enemy mech and start swinging, gunning down an enemy mech takes skill.feels like it would be the opposite, lore seems to support that moving mechs in more fluid and human ways is extremely difficult as a pilot. Meanwhile fire control and targeting computers conceivably do a lot of work for shooting.In fact, one would think that the targeting computer would be dezgra given it removes even more skill from shooting and changes a contest of martial prowess into technological prowess.None of it really makes sense when you think about it.
>>98621338>None of that applies in space.It's actually does applies in space, because space is fuckhueg and even sole star system could produce shitton of measure to sustain and defend itself especially in Battletech universe.Longstory short AML have plenty of ways to stick for a time in Hinterlands.>badly populated planets in the HinterlandsYou do realise that Hinterlands used to be huge chunk of Lyran industrial might and it wasn't rendered into wasteland when Green Bird took that chunk?
>>98620363>Why ARE melee attacks considered dishonourable anyway?Because melee fight reduces chances for participants to surrender and increases chances of mutual destruction, ergo wasteful by Clan ways.
Clanners dislike melee because when the clanners were introduced, Star Trek TNG and DS9 were on the air and they wanted the Clanners to be different from Klingons. That's it.
>>98621274Tbh savannah master spam seems fun for like one game but eh I kinda like narratives games where everyone can have fun, and In my country very very few people play battletech so I don't want to be excomunnicated and never play again :/>>98621275I didn’t realise it was expected to draw up a new list for every game, good to know. And yeh I quite like the idea of playing a bit of a makeshift retarded militia, sort of a random, peripheral planet that’s cobbled together a militia with whatever they had to hand because a greater faction had a interest in getting their planet. Plus, it’s great for narrative games it lets you play the OpFor militia. Thanks for the tips, I’ll be prioritising those minis desu>>98621287Yeah I really like Locust IIC and Flea types of mechs, like angry ankle biters eating their back armor of their far more expansive mechs
>>98621354Individual planets are conquered all the damn time in canon, up to and including major and well defended worlds. Take one planet from a major power and they're annoyed. Take one planet from a minor power and they lost half their strength. I get that you're presumably from some small country that held out against greater powers and you're jerking off your nationalistic feelings, but there is a vast difference between combat between nations on a planet and combat between spacefaring powers who can control orbital zones.
>>98620505>Rifleman >2 Vedettes Surely you can improve these
>>98621363>I will punch his cockpit, thus rendering the enemy unconscious without tearing apart valuable equipment>I will bombard him with my Warhawk's entire payload of ERPPCs, thus slagging both the pilot and machineReally makes you think
>>98621363>ergo wasteful by Clan ways.why isn't the Hunchback IIC considered dezgra? It exists to suicide charge and try to kill something before it inevitably gets its paper armor caved in. It's a waste of an extremely expensive XL Engine at the bare minimum. Imagine a distinguished warrior getting killed by an warrior sentenced to death in one of these things. How is that more honorable than ambushes and other tactics considered "dezgra"?There's so many problems with clan honor
>>98621322there is a difference between the mountainous nation of Georgia holding out against the Turks versus the Chaos March planets trying to hold out long enough versus everyone around them to become long term states anon
>>98621412Clans do not care about finances. A warrior defeated by a Hunchback IIC obviously did not deserve their honored status to begin with. The Hunchback IIC is a mercy killing because even a waste of flesh might get to be somebody for the 10 seconds before his ammo runs dry. There are no contradictions here, surat. Glory to Kerensky.
>>98621260I’m hoping Jiyi continues beating the hell out of CJF’s enemies>>98621298Got any screencaps>>98621334This is what I based my post on >>98621183
>>98621456He should, i like what he's been putting together. I suspect he is merely being fattened for the sacrificial altar in order to showcase how the old has been truly slain to make way for the righteousness of the new order
>>98619730kek
While sourcebooks can be retconned as they're treated as in-universe sources, I must wonder: is there an in-unverse explanation as to why Technical Readout 3026 made this claim about TechniCorp and its stance on customizing Manticores, and how after TRO 3026, we have subsequent TROs mention Manticore variants?
>>98621456>I’m hoping Jiyi continues beating the hell out of CJF’s enemiesI hope she is raped to death by a pack of freebirth Skye separatists
>>98621587TechniCorp forbade users to make mods, it didn't forbid itself from making mods.
>>98621587I'm pretty sure none of the variants were made by Technicorp. It doesn't matter if they reeee about your modifications when your warranty and service contract is with Defiance Industries or Bulldog.
>>98621622>sheTrolling or retarded, call it.
>>98620363Clan cucks don't like any tactic that narrows the tech advantage gap
>>98621631>>98621634But didn't it get retconned that TechniCorp was victimized by the Amaris Coup, hence why we do have other corporations making their own Manticore variants? So how did the retcon on TechniCorp's fate get addressed post-TRO 3026?
What are the most notorious IWM sculpts?I'm familiar with Warhawk gun barrels being too thin and snapping/bending, and the Rakshasa and Phantom being far too large for their tonnage. Any other notable standouts or models you had a bad experience with?
>>98621924I had a hell of a time even figuring out how the Phoenix Hawk LAM Mk II models were even supposed to go together. It's all slanted overlapping slots.
>>98621946how'd it come out after you figured out the build?
>>98615932>survived >looks at history HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>98621312The probability of that happening is almost one hundred percent, CGL are embarrassingly predictable and specific idealogues.
>>98616079Monarchists/Commies/Fascists/Whateverfuckingshitstate are "people" who genuinely think THEY will be a Noble/Party Member/Generalissimo/importantfaggot and not be one of the vast numbers of people either starved or worked to death in camps or just shot. These people struggle in the most permissive and soft era of all time, how do you think they'd be in a system where being a fuck up gets you killed?
>>98616269>reddit bearI read that as "pedobear" and I can't stop laughing.
>>98621924There's ugly blobs like a bunch of the Solaris Reseen. I got in my collection recently the first Colossus Reseen I've ever seen actually assembled and painted. There's ridiculous overscales like the Owens. There's the ridiculous underscales like the first sculpt Blood Asp. There's the million pieces era of the Project Phoenix and the Royal Mk I LAM's. There's the infamous Fafnir mold that usually doesn't want to cleanly fill up the giant chunk of metal. Oh, and the quads that overhang the bases ridiculously, but that's required to be accurate to the design.Fine breakable barrels is just a normal thing. They're easy to drill out and replace or beef up with some aluminum tubing if they get fucked. The 1st Sculpt Masakari isn't any different than an Unseen Rifleman in that regard.
>>98622116>ColossusGot any pictures? Love the model, but can't justify buying one yet since my local area plays with a blanket "no experimental" rule. >quads overhanging base Yep, I feel that. I've got a Stalking Spider I'm finishing the jumping pose on and a Tarantula in the mail that I expect to do the same with.
>>98622058It's fine. The slots do come together tight and in many cases flush, but they also fit together backwards in a way that looks reasonable if you aren't comparing it directly to a picture with the correct orientation.
>>98622094You aren't far off when you read how eager they were to capture young mechwarriors as bondsmen.
>>98622169Here you go friend. Not painted by me, but decent table grade IMO.
>>98616300>The Great Houses are so stable that there’s just not much room for balkanization in the setting.Only due to author fiat. Every faction except the Federated Suns and post-FRR Combine have significant independence movements. Really Capellan Confederation should have disintegrated after the Fourth Succession War, FWL never should have reunited, and Lyran Commonwealth is already facing numerous independence movements even with author fiat.
>>98622214Not that anyone cares but the lot that came in was:91 Mechs (62 Metal, 22 CGL Plastic, 2 3rd Ed Plastic, 5 Prints)6 Tanks5 Stars of elementals1 Invasion Jade Falcon Dice Set1 Deserts Map pack newFor $373+shipping. Dude was a rare DA Falcon and Stoner player. Got so many good new sculpts out of that. Gotta figure out where to plug in my Atlas III. It's hard to resist the Davion BoG.
>>98622214What a lad. Very cool.
Bigger Rotary AC when?
>>98618213>extremist Taurians That's just Taurians as normal.
>>98616300>The Great Houses are so stable that there’s just not much room for balkanization in the setting.Every single Great House had at least one seperatist movement committing terrorist attacks, some of which actually succeeded to varying degrees.
>>98618283>coffee, tea, or meGood lord CGL writers would die of a aneurism if ordered to write that.
>>98622334But no matter what happens, they always return. People WANT the Great Houses to rule over them, there's no popular support for republicanism.
>>98620096Grey.
>>98622310They had them in mektek clan RAC20s hilarious just eat through atlas in a burst.In game? Probably never.
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>>98622208If I was at my computer I’d be tempted to make a Ghost Bear groomer wojak edit>”Haha you’re so skilled and honorable for a spheroid lol”>”It’s too bad your family died in the Jihad. Maybe you could join mine haha.”>”What’s your bloodline lol?”
>>98621139>Having breakaway factions that are meaningfully distinct from their parent factions is more interestingYou're only saying that because you're a mindlessly antiauthority contrarian. You're just against any large government on principle, and if there weren't any large governments, you'd be calling out for breakaway planets that are distinct from their small parent faction.
>>98622501They already have a reputation for big elemental women crushing open the cockpits of mechs and dragging the little boys out.
>>98622268>Only due to author fiatQuickly now: what aspect of the Battletech universe isn't a product of authorial fiat?
>>98622536The parts I like
>>98622511I'm not specifically asking for more breakaway factions, just that if you have them they should be meaningfully distinct, instead of stuff like "yet another Clan" or "Lyrans, but slightly more/less incompetent". And if you do make them, you should actually do something with them instead of just rolling them back into their parent faction the next time you move the timeline forward (like, did St. Ives Compact ever actually do anything before being rolled over by the Capellans?).
>>98620132>>98622344They rewrote it for Historical:Reunification War. Even added a bit about her being nips out.
>>98622536More importantly, it doesn't really matter, does it? Sure, some things such as the plot armor Battlemechs receive is expected because that's part of the setting, it's a mech setting, the mechs are going to be OP as fuck, that's what's so fun about them.But there was no pressure inherent to the setting to glaze monarchism so much. It's a wargame setting for having mechs shoot at each other, it's not fucking game of thrones, nobody cares about the interpersonal drama, it's all about 'your dudes' anyways, the only cause they had to make monarchism so prevalent is to send a pro-monarchy message.
>>98622521giwtwm
what is the quality like on battletech's 3D printed minis? Someone told me that all of the MWO models have been used to make miniatures, but I can't imagine that looking good at tabletop scale. I like the look of the official minis but I don't want to spend money on them. Do print files for battletech look good or are they kinda shit but serviceable?
>>98622646Isn't it more of an anti-monarchy message when the only point of the Great Houses is to underpay your guys and then send them into a deathtrap they don't want to deal with?
>>98622660>Do print files for battletech look good or are they kinda shit but serviceable?Strongly depends on the individual sculpt. But the wonderful thing about 3D printing is that the marginal cost to print is low, so you can try a couple and decide if you like it.
>>98622660They're great. It's not all videogame rips, anyway. Resolution has been 5 microns since the original Photon in 2018
>>98622660They run the whole gamut. There are tons of guys making them, some from scratch, some by modifying game files, some just game files. There's a big community that just makes knockoffs for free and throws them up on whatever site.
>>98622663It's still portrayed as the best option of all available options. The only two viable options we ever see portrayed in the setting are the monarchism of the Houses, and the Clan system, and of the two the Clan system is portrayed far worse. Republicanism is never even entertained as a viable system at all. It only exists in brief periods in small regions, usually before getting conquered or coup'ed.
>>98622628>>98618398"Coffee, Tea, or Me" is a fucking famous joke line from a 1967 book that was also made into a 1973 film, and it's been used in dozens of movies through the 70s and 80s that the authors would 100% have been aware of, you dumb historically illiterate fucks. Shit, what do you think picrel is referencing?It's like putting Team Banzai in the game, or the Fighting Uruk-hai, or Char Aznable. It's a goddamn joke pop culture reference that make the authors giggle a bit when they wrote it.>>98622646>But there was no pressure inherent to the setting to glaze monarchism so muchOpinion, not fact.>nobody cares about the interpersonal dramaOpinion, not fact.>it's all about 'your dudes' anywaysOpinion, not fact.>the only cause they had to make monarchism so prevalent is to send a pro-monarchy messageOpinion, not fact.>>98622646Consider suicide you mindbroken faggot.
>the best medicine on the most advanced planets can keep a human alive to the age of 100Is the stagnation of medical care a part of the setting?
>>98622703Much longer than that dude. 120 is life expectancy on a good fancy world. There was a Zeus pilot that literally fought in all 3 Succession Wars and died in the 2900's.
>>98622671>>98622676>>98622680Do some sculptors make theirs to fit in with the look of the official ones? (possibly even doing scans of official miniatures)? When I get my printer this black friday I'll just print a shitload of mechs and see how I like them when in hand
>>98622521>>98622647I wish we had more content of clanner babes taking or trying to take sphereoid dudes as bondsmen.“Risk of Honor” did it, but the guy No Way Fag’d the Ghost Bear lady by committing seppuku.
>>98622713>Do some sculptors make theirs to fit in with the look of the official ones?One of my personal projects has been sculpting stuff to fit the common missing pieces of old minis but look a little more detailed and easy to tell when painted.There's no reason to do 40k type scans, though. A sculpt will be a rip or the artist's own flavor, even to the point of making the mini less like the official and more like the art.
>>98622713Probably. There are sculptors who wanted some random unit that only has a single piece of art so they learned how to use a modeling program and stuck shapes together until they had something vaguely similar, then uploaded it for anyone else to use. There are sculptors who are an entire team that have modular models with options for every single canon, apocryphal, and popular fan made variant they could find. There's a guy who modeled the japtech artwork.
>>98622728Those look amazing anon>>98622731Like these designs? holy shit
>>98622743
>>98622709>There was a Zeus pilot that literally fought in all 3 Succession Wars and died in the 2900's.That poor bastard. Imagine watching the near-entirety of human-owned space fall apart in real time. Imagine bearing witness to the sheer decline in technology and living standards within your own lifetime.Imagine the countless comrades you’d have lost by even the 2nd war.By the 3rd, they’re grouping you with fresh-faced newbies who never experienced how things used to be, who see this wretched state of things as simply normal.Imagine hearing them call what used to be everyday utilities for you “Lostech”.You started your career fighting in some of the largest battles mankind had ever seen, with hundreds or even thousands of mechs.By the end of your career, they have you fighting with a single fucking Lance if you’re lucky.I pity this man.
>>98622783>I pity this man.Worse, it was a woman.
>>98622703Less stagnation, more regression.Life span on Star League core planets was more like 150.
>>98622783>>98622787Which side did they fight for?
>>98622660Huge variation. Lots of MWO rips and reposes are out there for free, but there’s just as many models that are trying to match the official art or inject their own style that you can get for a few bucks. A lot of sculptors out there break up the models into individual pieces which can help massively with the posing process, and of course if you learn a little bit of modeling yourself you can always make changes of your own. It’s a very good time to be into 3D printing.
>>98622800Steiner Zeus pilot.
>>98622783I would be encouraged desu. Seeing that, no matter how bad things get, humanity will still hold onto their traditions and culture.
>>98622814Their traditions and culture of killing each other and destroying everything?
>>98622823War has always been a part of humanity, there's no need to be a whiny faggot about it, but seeing the same dynasty ruling your nation for nearly 800 years? That's something special, that's ancestral.
>>98622116I have a few and the only two that really gave me buyer's remorse were the Flea, which isn't a bad mini in and of itself but it's stupidly huge compared to the current plastic version and other lights and the Goliath C, with its weird, awkward legs and split base.
>>98622836>but seeing the same dynasty ruling your nation for nearly 800 years? That's something special, that's ancestral.Didnt' we talk about that in this very thread? Or was it last thread? How every single IS dynasty has seen the main line die out at least once, but the replacements always take the previous name.
>>98622844The modern Flea is based on the MechCommander 2 FireAnt which is the ultralight version of the Flea. Fun fact, the Flea sculpt is the oldest sculpt still in production, a literal 1984 Battledroids relic.
>>98621924The metal Hermes II is a teeny tiny baby mech. It's actually a good substitute for the Hermes I when compared to the plastic H II. I want them to make either the Mercury Elite or the Hermes III in metal using the modern sculpt.
>>98622846Even if that is the case that just proves how strongly the culture and traditions of your nation carry on, that even through the apocalypse people remain loyal to the dynasty so much that they carry on their name even if the bloodline died out.
>>98622836I suppose that the continuity of your state’s ruling house could be a source of solace for a vet of all 3 SWs, the one thing that stays constant while everything else falls to shit around you.At the same time, someone with a front-row seat to the carnage could easily become jaded and resent that after all this, those nobleniggers got away Scot free.
>>98622823
stupid question, but not a shitpost: Does anime exist in the battletech universe? Like are there propaganda anime showing on TV in the draconis empire or something like that?
>>98622928Yes. There's even an SLDF Regiment that painted all their mechs in Drac anime girls, and the Dracs hated them doing such a lowly otaku thing.
>>98622928>>98622951https://www.sarna.net/wiki/124th_Royal_Heavy_Assault_RegimentI also consider the Japanese replays/novels art canon as well.
>>98622928Japan, Terra still exists.
>>98622928>>98622951Imagine being a Combine child and watching Kamen Panther fight the forces of the evil Davionmen every Saturday morning.
>>98622951>>98622958>Dragonis Combine TV dramas, pop idols, and animationIn universe would it be hard for people outside of the Combine's territory to get tapes or recordings of this stuff? Would it be considered contraband in other regions of the inner sphere?
>>98622975>Oh no, children. If only little Kenichi had reported his father to the ISF for complaining about the Dragon, the Davionmen would have never been able to attack his world!
>>98622988Other way around. Combine is super anal about imports, and foreign jumpships risk seizure even as the elite pay top K-bill for their wares. The Dragon WANTS to export their culture, any way they can.
>>98622536You could argue anything, but than what's the point of arguing a logical basis for the inner sphere not fragmenting? The reason the inner sphere doesn't fragment despite St. Ives, Tamar, Rasalhague, Andurien, Orient, Vesper Marches, etc is because the writers don't want the Inner Sphere to be composed of two dozen factions including clans. There's nothing logicallt that would prevent say St. Ives Compact from remaining independent in perpetuity.
>>98622988The combine is much stricter about media than its immediate neighbors in any direction, and transmitting anything larger than a text file via HPG is prohibitively expensive.Most media is passed around via snail mail, and it would have to be smuggled out of the combine unless it was specifically meant for a foreign audience.
>>98622521That's gay. I'd rather be the elemental who rips open the cockpit of the ancestral mech of some noble girl, drags her out, and claims her as isorla. I'd have a harem of former mech jockeys to bear my freeborn kids.
>>98623024>Wanting freeborn children instead of securing your genetic legacy in the proper manner the great Kerensky intended.Absolutely dezgra.
>>98623030>Implying I wouldn't be bloodnamed with countless trueborn children as wellImagine not genemaxxing. Gotta spread your lineage as far as possible, maybe fuck some aerospace pilots as well, our weird giant midget children could in time become bloodnamed aerospace pilots.
is youtube's [remastered] upload the best way to see the battletech cartoon?
>>98622879It can be hard for Americans to understand, but people living under monarchies really do love their monarchs with all their hearts, they don't blame them for their misfortunes.
>>98622521Rawr
>>98623074Is that why near the end of WW1 all German monarchs, the Austrian Emperor, and the Russian emperor were all deposed? Is that why in the aftermath of WW2 the King of Italy was stripped of his royal title, and the king of Greece was deposed by a dictator with nobody complaining?
>>98623061Probably. The last time I watched it, there was only the cleaned up VHS rips.
>>98623122The German monarchy was externally removed, the King of Italy was deposed because of Communists backed by the USSR, and the King of Greece was deposed in a rigged plebiscite because the junta perceived that he was a focal point for anti-junta sentiment.The Russian and Austrian you get.
>>98623041>our weird giant midget children could in time become bloodnamed aerospace pilots.The genesis of Giant Boy Detective...
>>98623074You’re overselling it.Peasantry can often be overawed by pomp and pageantry of royalty but by and large pre-modern peoples were comfortable with their monarchical societies because that simply was the way things were, and as far as they were concerned the way it ought to be. Very few, if any people were super attached to their monarchs, even if they respected and were loyal to the institution of monarchy. The king himself was generally a distant figure.If anything, the celebritization of monarchs themselves is a byproduct of the rise of nationalism in the 18th century. Monarchs from that point onwards were among other things representatives of their nation, and thus make an easy figure to rally nationalistic energies around.Also monarchyfag, aren’t you American?
>>98623181No, Canadian.
>>98623143The King of Italy fled the country and threw himself at the mercy of the Allies while leaving his own army without orders. It is a miracle they didn't get executed, considering how an historical embarrassment the House of Savoy was (imagine being Frenchmen gifted the throne of Italy by the British and the only way you fight wars is to choke the enemy weapons with the corpses of your unfortunate subjects). The German Monarchy was terminally retarded in foreign politics and internal politics, and the Greek King wasn't even Greek. Hereditary monarchies are terrible systems of government for developed nations. Btech nations, being barbaric shitholes, can work in that regard.
>>98623143>The German monarchy was externally removedHe was deposed before the armistice was signed and fled to the Netherlands.>The King of Italy was deposed because of Communists backed by the USSRItalians voted to end the monarchy.>The King of Greece was deposed in a rigged plebiscite because the junta perceived that he was a focal point for anti-junta sentimentAnd nobody bothered to oppose it at all. Really sounds like they supported their German king with all of their hearts. There were also the kings of Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen to name a few non-European examples.
>>98623196>Greek King wasn't even GreekThat's extremely normal. Most European monarchs weren't [culture they ruled over] and they all spoke French even when they were not French or ruling France. The first like three kings of Lichtenstein never even set foot in the country.
>>98623196>and the Greek King wasn't even Greek.Literally all of the European monarchies were German at that point.Royals were only allowed to marry other royals, but by the 19th Century no one wanted to get their royal line entangled with a potential rivals, so they all married princes from shitty little German countries no one cared about like Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
>>98623196>the Greek King wasn't even Greek>Foreign kings on thrones>Kings of Norway, Denmark, and Britain are German, the Russian Tsars were German, the King of Sweden is French, the monarch of Belgium is German, the King of Spain is French, the Kings of Greece, Bulgaria, and Romania were German, the last Chinese Emperors were Manchu, the last Indian monarchs were Turkish, Muhammad Ali (of Egypt) was Turkish. Really monarchs being the same ethnicity of their people are a rarity.
>>98623207>And nobody bothered to oppose it at all. Really sounds like they supported their German king with all of their hearts.Yeah, you see lots and lots of public demonstrations of political sentiment in military dictatorships.
>>98623234Iran had some pretty big protests and why were there no major movements to restore the monarchy after the end of the dictatorship? At least the delusional supporters of the Shah of Iran suggest restoring the Shahdom instead of just being a non-autocratic republic.
>>98622693eh usually because those areas are sabotaged by a much larger force, which would be an interesting critique on real life if I thought the writers were doing it intentionally.Plus monarchism is presented as the most sensible option to the people in power, of course they'd believe that. The truth is that that post-terran Alliance idea of monarchism started as a trend that started with the Cameron's Edict of 2351.
>>98621338>None of that applies in space.With what NAVY?!>>98622089>"people"I know you are doing this to be derogatory, but yes, most have "protagonist syndrome".What makes the ideologs insufferable is they've fallen into echo chambers that reinforce their belief that they are in the right despite a lack of any evidence.>>98622975>Imagine being a Combine child and watching Kamen Panther fight the forces of the evil Davionmen every Saturday morning.>Not blatantly Nazi-coded STEINER>>98623015>The reason the inner sphere doesn't fragment despite St. Ives, Tamar, Rasalhague, Andurien, Orient, Vesper Marches, etc is because the writers don't want the Inner Sphere to be composed of two dozen factions including clans.Exactly, Power in the setting rest in Jumpship Capability; Balkanization would happen due to Power constricting closer to Jumpship fleet yards.
>>98623274>Exactly, Power in the setting rest in Jumpship CapabilityWhich anyone is capable of having. Jump ships weren't even that scarce during the 4th Succession War.
>>98623346>Which anyone is capable of having. Jump ships weren't even that scarce during the 4th Succession War.Exactly, and while the Great Houses would derive a lot of their power from their control of Jumpship Production, they weren't the sole owners of it.
>>98623346>2,000 working ships in the Inner Sphere>5 per slip new made per year>Not that rare.>Compared to 50,000 mechs>Compared to 2,000 worlds>Compared to 10,000 ASF>Compared to 2 trillion human beingsWhew, lad.
>>98623379That's a ship per planet, that's not that uncommon.
The Carrion Crow C continues to cement itself as my favorite little shit in the entire game. This one walked off the board with 3 kills against an enemy assault lance. It basically tied up the enemy Atlas and Shogun on its own, with the enemy Crockett and Wolverine engaging my Nova Cat and Stormcrow. The Nova Cat ate an early pilot hit from an unlucky turn 2 fall, and then proceeded to get his left torso ripped open and suffered 2 consecutive ammo explosions and a headshot, killing him from pilot death early on turn 3. The Stormcrow proceeded to 2v1 as best as it could, and once the Atlas was in range, it hucked a gauss slug into its wounded left leg that set off the streak SRM ammo and turned the Atlas into a crater. By the end of turn 6, the Stormcrow is dead, the Wolverine has both side torsos open, the Crockett is looking thin on the CT, and the Shogun is fresh. My Carrion Crow proceeds to outmaneuver everything, cutting the left torso off of the Wolverine and killing it due to XL death, then rushes the Crockett, breaks the armor, and scores a gyro crit and a pilot hit to knock him out. Unfortunately, by this point the Carrion Crow is running low on SRM ammo and has lost one of its two pulse lasers, so it is looking very dire; the CC puts two more pulse lasers into the Crockett's CT to finish it off, but the FUCKING SHOGUN scores two separate TACs from SRM spam that lead to 2 engine crits and a gyro crit, leaving the CC on the verge of death. The next few turns it manages to get behind the shogun and crit out the SRMs and Snub PPC, explode its ammo, and KO the pilot, then finishes it off with an aimed shot to the head for the last pilot hit needed for the kill.19 turns, and 2/3 of that was managed by a single 40-ton medium mech. Vicious little bastard, I love him.
>>98623394>only one per inhabited planet>not that uncommon
>>98623394When it takes 6 ships of the most common type (Invader) with the most common dropship (Union) to move a single regiment, things spiral real quick.
>>98623449That's why the Outback and most of the near periphery is the way that it is. When you can count the number of times a ship shows up per year on one hand with a few fingers missing (and with no guarantee that it isn't a pirate or just passing through with no local business at all), having no economic prospects at all isn't very strange.
>>98623379Those numbers are obviously wrong, the setting easily has way more of all of those.
>>98623379I wonder how many of the ships are used for commerce and how many are permanently attached to military units.
>>98623534Shut up, Herb, and read your DS&JS.
>>98623534LolThis is why CGL has a hard rule of not providing numbers, ever.
>>98623540Most are commerce. Less than 1/3 house militaries have dedicated jumpship transport.
>>98622646>But there was no pressure inherent to the setting to glaze monarchism so much.The setting was made by Amerifags who see themselves of as exiled, rightful nobility chased away from Europe cling to tall tales of grandeur. It's the salve to their cope of dealing with their ancestors being retarded faggots who backed the wrong inbred bastard.
>>98623564Obsessed.
>>98623564
>>98623564We have plenty of nobility. Royalty even. A Romanian princess was busted running a cockfighting ring out of her trailer a few years ago.
>>98623493>Core worlds are constantly fighting each other but are also the only places with any industry or technology>The Periphery is too close to close to the Core worlds to experience peace long enough to develop, and is too poor to be able to develop before it's conquered>The Deep Periphery is so poor and so primitive that it would take a thousand years just for them to catch up, and they'd inevitably be conquered by a Clan in that timeThere really is no hope for the setting.
>>98621404look at how awesome the c3 rifleman is. and (armor) vedette packs a uac10 in the turret and hardened armour whilst still 5/8 ing
>>98622783>Like the good ol' days after the FIRST SUCCESSION WAR!
>>98623585Wtfhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/23/cockfighting-romanian-princess-oregon-sentenced-probation
>>98623274>>Imagine being a Combine child and watching Kamen Panther fight the forces of the evil Davionmen every Saturday morning.>>Not blatantly Nazi-coded STEINERDepends on the era imo. From the Dracs perspective, the Steiners started off as the worthy adversary and the Feds the designated punching bag, then during the Succession Wars it flips since the Lyrans' military degraded under social general type rot while the Fedsuns reorganized theirs under Melissa Davion.
>>98623605This. The Steiners are to the Dracs as the Capellans are to the FWL.
>>98623600In America, royalty become trailer trash and sons of loser drunkard Austrian Nazis become the governor of California.
>>98623074What? I know plenty of bongs who think the royals are useless and the monarchy shouldn't exist.
>Be trueborn clan warrior chatting shit about IS Mechwariors>Buddy gets his cockpit caved in by an Axman >still chat shitClaners are annoying
>>98623621I like the Greek princess who's just a fake model.
>>98623648
>>98623621Ironically the trailer park types aren't as inbred as the ones who live in high society closer to the east coast. Rock-Yankees in particular often had cranial knowledge of siblings that was hushed up.
>>98623648Sibkin should have jumped. There is nobody to blame but yourself if such a dezgra machine is able to approach without a UAC/20 burst ripping it apart.
>>98623648The clans hatread of Hatchets is silly since their value system should favour melee combat since it is the most honorable and least wasteful form of combat
>>98623641The vast majority of Britons love the king
>>98623718That's mostly because the elected leadership is usually so obnoxious that the Royals look good by comparison.
>>98623785In other words democracy produces worse leaders than monarchy
>>98623826More like, actual leaders look worse than show ponies.
>>98623826Not quite.The English monarchy has the luxury to not actually do anything unless they get good publicity for it. This is because they cannot pass or enforce laws.
>>98623714Nicholas didn't like it and the was an even bigger cult leader than his dad, so they just make up nonsensical gay reasons for sticking to his taste.
>>98623597This would be how I wrote a character who fought in all three wars. You'd expect someone who was tired and embittered and going through the motions. Instead they're an enthusiastic psycho who pines for when the wars were worse.
>>98623586>Guntank not being a quad.Feels like a missed opportunity. Bigro and Dom actually look pretty good though.
>>98623949Quadvee at least. It can have legs because we don't have anything for fully tracked mechs, but the tracks should still be there.
>>98623949Eh, I can understand why they avoided it, quads kinda suck
>>98623986All the more reason for the guntank to be one.
>>98623586You know that I look at it, they basically just imagined that Dom as a Hunchback with a cool head design.So I decided to re-imagine that shoulder gun as a Thunderbolt 20, since that sort of evokes the old Bazooka concept.
>>98624043Uh... I'm continuing to do this, and... I kind of like how this Zaku turned out. I'm sort of combining loadouts a bit with it and honestly? I could see myself using a 55t Medium with an UAC5 and Tbolt10 as it's primary weapons. The leg MML3's are kind of goofy yes, but we all know why I did that.The only downside is it's not exactly got a lot of armour.
>>98615144Ghost burr women DONT shave btw. My contacts in the raven alliance said as much while we were raiding a polytech community college as a distraction so that pirates could hijack a grain shipment earmarked for nova kitty refugees
>>98624075Last one. Not sure about this. I'm sure there's more bullshit I could add to it...
>>98623585>We have plenty of nobility. Royalty evenWe know
>98624106>how can i make /btg/ about jews today>aha, perfect
>>98624205What do you mean anon?It's just Petr Kalasa adressing FWL parlament
What's your favorite mech that sucks?
>>98624331Could God make a Mech so horrible that even cERPPCs couldn't save it?Not quite, but he tried.
>>98624331The MML Strider is good though
>>98624331You posted it.If I had to pick another, maybe the Mist Lynx. It's not terrible, but 7/11/6 feels sort of slow for a clan light with only 3.5 tons of armor. They always die real quick when I bring.
>>98624331Down syndrome Archer.I also like the Yeoman.
>>98623949It has arms though, and legs treads are a thing, they just suck.
>>98624397Some are pretty good, I really like the C but if you swap the erll with a hll it's a prayer to dice god but it really hits brackets well for the erml forcing psr and people ignore it because mist lynx. AMS and ECM to boot. E is just a nice swiss army knifeG is great if your opfor has PBI As far as bad mechs I like? That's hard not too many I think are just bad that I dig, the grim reaper kinda sucks but it's just a fun swiss army knife.
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>>98624545The Ebon Jag is actually pretty good tho
>>98623605I mean the joke is Shocker literally is a post-war Nazi organization.
>>98623586To be fair the Scorpion Empire is forming a decent style of social syncretism and have abandoned a ton of clan autism. Granted 3/4ths of their military are still peyote addicts, but they have civilian representation in government and joining the clan military is relatively easy and they have no issue integrating useful bloodlines into their breeding program.
>>98624692Most of the Rimward periphery has been getting its shit back together since around the clan invasion. The Jihad only hit them a little bit collectively and they haven't had to deal with any big threats, mostly just pirates. It's the kind of recovery and build up that could be foreshadowing a big problem that'll knock them right back down (or fully galvanize them), but for now at least, the periphery is improving even without clan involvement.
>>98624702I also figure Clan Medical Tech was a huge boon for Canopus.
>>98624717Canopus is actually ahead of the Clans in some departments. The Woof scientist caste is going apeshit about it.
>>98624779Clan medical science was always very specific on two things: the breeding program, and battlefield medicine.Frankly, I'm surprised that the Society was able to engineer viruses the way that they did. The Clans probably have shit vaccines and special crops, etc....Though I guess the Ravens did make the diamond shark, so...
>>98623274What navy? You mean the one that a couple random breakaway planets assuredly do not have, and a great house assuredly does? Even if WarShips arent involved, a couple of Unions with a handful of ASFs have been shown multiple times in canon to establish airspace superiority without much trouble.
>>98624331I really like how the Exterminator looks but it's effectively outgunned by it's little brother the Spector, never mind every other mech in its weight class. You have to be far enough into the timeline for the 7X to be available before its worth a damn.
>>98624692Scorpions have an incredibly bright future ahead of them... if the writers had any comprehension of reality, industry or economics. They've been given a shit ton of planets which are in general better off than anything in the clan homeworlds, with abundant resources. And an actual population base to train and employ. Give them 50 years of even halfway competent leadership and they'll be cranking out regiments by the dozen once they roll out SLDF level mining and agriculture to their worlds.
>>98624906>they roll out SLDF level mining and agriculture to their worlds.Actually their mining techniques already exceeds SLDF level.
>>98624779>Canopus is actually ahead of the Clans in some departments. The Woof scientist caste is going apeshit about it.>>98624859>Frankly, I'm surprised that the Society was able to engineer viruses the way that they did. The Clans probably have shit vaccines and special crops, etc.Honestly Clan Science is always a bugbear; Not only did the "accidentally" a breed of obligate carnivore demon horses, they apparently created enough to establish a stable breeding population when they got out.>>98624897>Even if WarShips arent involved, a couple of Unions with a handful of ASFs have been shown multiple times in canon to establish airspace superiority without much trouble.And if the planet is rebelling against you, chances are they are self-sufficient for almost all basic needs.So go ahead and plant your flag, keeping it up is going to cost you a pretty penny in MechWarrior blood...
>>98624906>Give them 50 years of even halfway competent leadershipToo bad this is Battletech.
>>98624906Scorps are the speedbump for Invasion 2.0.
>>98624906I'm just waiting for them to pull of their rubber mask and reveal that they're a bunch of secret blakists and kick off jihad 2.
>>98625218Honestly I like the idea of a faction actually doing their own shit instead of literally every faction in the setting beinf autistically obsessed with the Star League and incapable of imagining forging a path that isn't based around a state that has been dead for almost half a millennium.
>>98621137Not yet. In the middle of the Founding of the Clans trilogy, in which Randall Bills slanders and flanders literally everybody who founded a Clan by potraying them as zealots in thrall to a Manson/Koresh-blend Nicholas, while Andrey Kerensky vacillates between being a Designated Good Guy and a helpless simp for crazy whores.
>>98623586
Do you think something might be wrong with BattleTech fiction?https://www.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,91603.0.html
Noob fluff question. Do HPGs and JumpShips use thr same jump principle/tech for FTL/warp? Is sending (massless) info thru HPG actually faster and easier than moving physical stuffs with mass via JumpShip? Or it's just that there are more HPG stations than JumpShips?
>>98625328There is much wrong, as evidenced by them continuing to employ a child-abusing degenerate to scribble on pages with depraved falsehoods.
>>98622928
>>98622928>On the head-up display and on every secondary monitor, an animated woman—or child maybe?—took over and performed a dance with her hands above her ears, mimicking a cat. Claudio spoke little Japanese, but he recognized enough words as the BattleMech’s diagnostic-interface computer literally thanking him for turning the ’Mech on.
>>98625351>depraved falsehoodsAre you talking about stuff someone wrote in a story?
>>98625375I'm talking about the something they have writing the story.
>>98625377>the something they have writing the storyESL?Anyhow, what are the falsehoods in question?
>>98625381Lurk more, it's crimes multiply with every hackneyed publication.
>>98622720Would be the perfect opportunity for some lesbian content. Imagine a batchall that ends with a spanking?>>98624331Strider doesn't suck. You just suck with it.
>>98622720>Unable to continue fighting, Shinada abandons his 'Mech and emerges with his personal tanto. Facing capture, he refuses Homaovi's offer to become a bondsman. Declaring his loyalty to the Draconis Combine, he commits seppuku on the battlefield. Homaovi acknowledges his death without pity, seeing his actions "as waste".Wait, I thought the Clanners too sometimes kill themselves to not become a bondsman
>>98625453Smoke Jags would; Ghost Bears are not a Clan
>>98625336HPGs recharge faster, so there's a lot less opportunity cost to an HPG transmission than loading your mail onto a JumpShip computer and sending it somewhere just to wait a week before it can go anywhere else. Physical goods also have to factor in DropShip transport to get them out to the jump point and back in system. They have the same maximum range of 30 light years, bug HPGs have a lot less lag over a single JumpShip. A command circuit where a DropShip shuttles between a different JumpShip at each location is almost as fast, but is an absolute pain in the ass to coordinate, and interesting things start happening to the crew if they go through too many jumps in quick succession. For further info, check the Snord repository, >Sourcebooks>FASA>Dropships and Jumpships.
>>98625453Doesn't change the "why the fuck would you do that" factor for the would-be bondholder.
>>98625453>Wait, I thought the Clanners too sometimes kill themselves to not become a bondsmanThey do, it's called bondsref. I think this was less "why the fuck would he do that?" and more "It's his right, but what a waste of a skilled warrior."
>>98625508I wouldn't want to serve a cultural inferior as his bootlick as he continues to invade my home, either.
>>98622521>mfw I go into battle with a vest lathered in serious putty so if someone rips open the cockpit, we both go to hell
>>98625363>these interfaces were implemented as a psychological ploy to make MechWarriors less wasteful with their 'mechs.
>>98625252Sounds logical for why the Clans are the way they are and why Nicholas came out on top.
Thoughts on non-human mech pilots?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xNEKkSTDB8
>>98626065>game trailer shows a big cool power suit>syke! you play as john masseffect with your rifle and three grenades
>>98625218>>98625180>>98625042Truly regrettable. All of these would be such a waste of writing.
>>98625363Based. Men will die for their robot waifus, it will give them that last ditch burst of "protect my woman" energy needed to seize victory from defeat.
>>98625363This should be impossible unless they got super rushed into combat. Clanners wipe the DI on every machine they salvage or capture. It's one of their greatest crimes, taking machines that have been in continuous service since the Star League, machines learning their bodies, learning their pilots, learning their worlds, and getting reset to factory 0.
>>98626076You can't escape the template.
>>98624331Jackrabbit, I use mine as Redshift instead.
>>98624900Dude like wtf, why?
>>98626135Klusterfuckers are a waste of writing. In truth, Clan culture cannot realistically survive contact with the rest of human civilization. The Scorps only value was in provoking the hidden autism in other clans.>"We've come for the nail file once used by Liz Hazen.">"FUCK YOU! THAT IS A SACRED RELIC OF CLAN JADE FALCON!">"With what forces will you defend?"
>>98615144Ghost Bear is just a Great House by now led by the Prince, and mainly because the bears lost their khans.Also all of this shit is Charles II of Steiner-Davion's fault as {{{Sea Fox}}} manipulation.
>>98625241The Scorps' whole THING is being obsessed with the past.
>>98625484HPG range is 50 ly.
>>98626854Yes, but they also realized that the clan system is dogshit at governing populations that weren't being brainwashed into it from birth, so they added some civilian governance castes to actually run a government instead of trying to crowbar the old system in or sequester themselves to clan reservations. If Alaric wasn't an arrogant inbred, he'd be taking notes.
>>98626881>If Alaric wasn't an arrogant inbred, he'd be taking notes.The Terrans IRA'd Ward's ass so hard that he actually gave up on trying to make his own Strana Mechty. The model being used is closer to the Ravens, but he has, at least once, fucked up, eaten shit, and been forced to back down.
>>98626881Also a lower military caste with much lower standards so their auxiliary troops can act as local militias without half of them dying or washing out, or having the expectations of being able to challenge TRVE WARRIORS on equal footing.
>>98626881But their civilian governing body is literally runned by retired warriors (reKhans).Their biggest innovation so far was a Grunt Caste, which relieved all active Galaxies from garrison duty and created strong reserve force to replenish the casualties (something what PGCs were supposed to do, but usually failed due to suicidal mindset).
>>98626974They made a Support Caste for civilian government services.
>>98626921>>98626959>>98626974What book is this all in?
>>98627180The Terra stuff if ilKhan's Eyes Only. The Scorps might be the Wars of Reaving sourcebook? Not sure, you'll have to ask one of them.
>>98624692The Scorpion Empire at the end of the day are just another Clanner state which means they'll inevitably fight over stupid shit and have a miserable little society>>98624702However much the periphery 'recovers' they'll still be small and insignificant. Fronc Reaches is never going to go above 11 planets or likely even survive 100 years.
>>98627180>>98627190War of Reaving cuts off with the Scorps departing clan space. I believe there's a little bit about how the Hellions are enmeshed during the early conquests against Neuva Castile and the Caliphate. Not much info on how they develop the scorpion empire however. I think the Hanseatic Crusade book is what you're after.
>>98627180Interstellar Players 3
>>98625336>Is sending (massless) info thru HPG actually faster and easier than moving physical stuffs with mass via JumpShip?Yes, but it took a while to figure out how to do this, hence the HPG network was established at the end of the Star League.>>98626065>Thoughts on non-human mech pilots?
>>98627851I don't get it, you just posted an Outworlds Alliance pilot?
>>98627862That's actually a Fire Mandrill, but it's an easy mistake to make.
>>98627870Don't see shit everywhere?
>>98625453Reading the rules of Bondsref makes it sound like you have to get permission from the bondholder before doing it, but it seems like most don't do that
>>98628007If I kill myself before you capture me, I was never a bondsman to begin with.
So was Mia at the end of MW5C killing herself while Jayden tried to make her a bondswoman a dezgra?
>>98628142No, it's bondsref. It's totally cool.
Anybody know when the old 86 round divot hexbases got retired? My stuff with them is all regular pewter and then I have the 98 marked raladium ones. I'm asking because I got a few rare IIC unseen in a lot lately and they have raladium style 86 bases. They're also a little lighter than normal which makes me feel like they may be recasts from that one ebay guy with the pretty clean fakes.
>>98628207I assume >>98628142 was replying to >>98628007
>>98627180Scorpions:Interstellar Players 3Turning Point Hanseatic CrusadeSpotlight: Hellion Keshik
>>98628007I get the feeling that you have to ask, but once asked you have to approve.
>>98625328wow... is it just me, or did that contain a lot of very problematic language?
>>98625328>You've never had to take a kid into work on no notice? Not because they got sick overnight? Or because school was cancelled?No because I'm not a Mexican illegal immigrant who works as a maid.
what's a good anti-infantry loadout for a mech? I'm trying out homebrewing
>>98628752Any criticism of CGL is problematic, and probably means you're a racist boomer that the game can happily live without.
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>>98628816I would have to smuggle them in since the only way on to the facility is by badging through a security turnstile. And then I'd get fired.
