So they got rid of racial abilities and half-races? Why?
>>98623903Is the lost of half-races really that big of a deal or some kind of stupid culture war proxy?
>>98623916They are integral to the lore of D&D.
>>98623921So what pivotal character was a half-elf or half-orc?
>>98623932Tanis Half-Elven for one.
>>98623903No idea what their reason was, but I've noticed racial ability bonuses have not really made sense at all for years now. Most games people use point buy or start at level 4 or higher, so whatever ability bonuses you get can easily be undone or traded out at the start. It makes sense that they'd get rid of that.The general way they've redone races kind of makes it more flexible. So if you wanted to be half something they don't need to be in the book but can easily be run. That seems kind of a no brainer.
>>98623921no one cares about the lore of DnD. It's like placeholder world building.
>>98623903Racial stats was kinda lame. It forces me to pick specific races for specific classes. Being a Dragonborn Warlock forces me to give up on a Charisma bonus that would be helpful mechanically. My table uses Tasha's, where you can simply assign the +1 and +2. While I dislike racial stats, tying them to background is somehow worse, but there are rules for custom backgrounds so it's fine.For half races, the idea is that any half race can be a reflavor of either side as opposed to having to make a half version for all the races. Until Eberron added half elves back.
>>98623961>no one cares about the lore of DnDSo you'd be cool with this kind of shit?
>>98623966Yeah because heated seats the dumbest feature added to cars and the men of Rohan would never be caught dead in a modern sedan.
>>98623984>heated seats the dumbest feature added to cars You've never lived in a place with a cold climate I see.
>>98623953The rationale for getting rid of ability scores was because it was rayciss, anon. Like, is you trynna say all orcs be musclebound thuggz, anon? Or alla dem elfs be smart n sheeyit? Cuz Tyreese an' Marquis be rollan dem orc wizzers and dey ain't be represented an' seeyan deyselfs in dem orcs what ain't getting dem +2 INTs knowahmsayyen?An like dem half races was like rayciss shit like mulatto or octaroon, anon. Some one drop rule sheeyit.
>>98623932Elrond from Lord of the Rings.
>>98623932Half-orcs were in LOTR. So were half-elves.
>>98623932Dave.
>>98623966From the very beginning D&D had spaceships and rayguns. And not fantasy spaceships. Flash Gordon ones.
>>98625063https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfmrHTdXgK4Damn bro callback to this banger
>>98623916>it's only culture war when you oppose our politically motivated decisions
>>98625063I had a 2e DM who gave my high level Paladin a Spelljammer as a quest reward. I never batted an eye or though it out of place.
>>98623903They can't tolerate even a wiff of Bioessentialism/Anti-Tabula Rasa content, even in fantasy settings.They'll never admit it in those terms, but the reality is they're the equivalent of Christian Fundies who insist their cleric worships Jesus because the idea of a setting where their ideology isn't relevant (Not right or wrong, just simply not relevant) makes them uncomfortable.Anything they say or do is an attempt to hide this fact because admitting it would be confessing to being the worlds pettiest tyrant.
>>98625212It's funny they got a bit of pushback from biracial types who said they were being erased, and WotC's limp-wristed milquetoaste response was that you can still be race-mixed, but you're just mechanically identical to one of your parents and the rest is all cosmetic.Which has some bad implications.
>>98625155This.
>>98625222>WoTC enforcing the "One Drop" ruleSaid it before, will say it again, 99% of the people they call bigots are more tolerant than them.Even if it's in a 'I'm racist, you're racist, let's be racist together' kind of way
>>98625063They really were fantasy spaceships, though.
>>98623940It's just a title. He wasn't really a half elf. He was just a human who was really into woodsy shit.
>>98623903No miscegenation for you.
>>98623984Stainless steel gear lever are a much worse addition when it's sunny. Heated seats can:>Warm you when cold>Nice on the back>Troll your passengers when hot>Accidentally drain what turned out to be a defective battery.One manly push-start later and I had a reasonable anecdote.
>>98623903Tieflings are a half-race.
>>98623916kys faggot
>>98625212gem-tier post
>>98623903If you want to play a half race, you're supposed to just pick the equivalent full race. I think it's a de-bloating measure, and it certainly stops people asking retarded questions like >can I play a half dwarf?>can I play a half gnome?>can I play a half halfling?
>>98625212>They can't tolerate even a wiff of BioessentialismNo. They're ENFORCING bioessentialism by literally deleting half-races. A racist in charge of the OP would have done the same. They're just racists larping as good people.
>>98625405Can't tell if you're retarded, ignorant, or trolling. Either way, you're a faggot.
>>98623916Both?Their removal was culture war proxy stuff. WotC took it out because it did have a bit of a racial purity stigma to it. People who liked that kind of stink being on half races seized on it and made this into yet another culture war proxy battle that will never end.but like, at the same time, this does do things like make a character like Tanis from Dragonlance the sort of character that isn't really "permitted" in D&D anymore.
>>98624764you tried/10
>>98626214I played a three-fourthsling. Half-human, half-tallfellow halfling. He stood about 5'3".
>>98626537Nobby Nobbs?
>>98623903You know what I find funny about this? Tieflings and Aasimar. There is nothing that says they have to be of human origin and it's weird no one takes advantage of that.You could be an Elven Tiefling because your dad porked and demon or a dwarf Aasimar for similar reasons.Not only that, the whole half race thing didn't even provide any unique mechanics to their race options.
>>98627295Most versions of them are more about having a fiendish ancestor, not a direct parent. Or at least that's the version most people go with. Was it 4e that did half-tieflings? But they still didn't have tieflings themselves as half of something else.
>>986277404e had them as descendants of an ancient empire that had made a deal with a specific high powered demon (or was it a devil?) and something went sideways, leaving everyone in it and all of their descendants forever altered as tieflings.The older style were random expressions of distant ancestry. It's possible for an old style tiefling to have parents and siblings who are completely normal humans.
>>98626431in pathfinder its just base race with traces of blank race. wanna make it not """"racist"""" say ancestry its that simple + it just gives you a way to have half elf orcs and half orc elves.
>>98623903>Racial AbilitiesStill fully present, they moved the Ability Score Increases to Backgrounds because it's just a better mechanical option. You're no longer locked into playing specific classes with a specific Species, and the fact the 2014 Custom Background option works with 2024 RAW means you can play anything you like at this point.>Half-RacesHalf-Elf got added back in with Eberron as a new Species called Khoravar that are basically just half-elves mechanically. Otherwise, it's probably because the two options are this (Simple but unsatisfying) or making a build-a-race option (Complicated but better).
>>98623932There are several NPCs in 2014 adventure paths with names that feature prominently that are half-elves or half-orcs. For example, Leosin - a Harper Agent and your main contact with the organization - is a prominent NPC in Hoard of the Dragon Queen/Rise of Tiamat, and he's a half-elf. The issue with 2024 rules with that module is half-elves don't fucking exist anymore.
>>98623966>If you don't want to use WOTC slop lore you have to accept cars in your fantasy setting!Retarded take.
>>98623932>what pivotal character was a half-elflike literally hundreds, it's probably the single most common race after human and elf since everyone fucking loves Aragorn
>>98629414Crazy you can't name a single one, then.
>>98629427He literally did
>>98629427see>>98629384Leosin is one, Talith I think her name is, one of the higher ranking cultists from Chapter 7 of Hoard of the Dragon Queen is a Half-Elf, there's a half-orc cultist whose name escapes me but he has one and he's a major character for Chapter 5, some of the Council of Waterdeep are half-elves, Tyranny of Dragons alone has a ton of half-elves.And then there's other media like BG3. Astarion is a Half-Elf Vampire Spawn for example.
>>98629385If verisimilitude means nothing, then there's nothing wrong with having a luxury car in your fantasy setting. After all, it doesn't have to feel realistic.
>>98629655Nobody mentioned versimilitude but yes, realism is cringe and gay, and internal consistency is more important.You can have clouds made of cotton candy, but if you have a cloud made of water vapor in a setting where clouds are made of cotton candy you need to be able to explain it. That's all you need. You don't need realism, you don't need real world physics (shit, 99.9% of games break physics because magic can create and destroy matter which violates the laws of physics), you just need to make sure the setting is internally consistent, and WOTC can't even manage that shit.
>>98623903Cause they thought the fags and activists buy and play D&D over buying some dices and random merch that just rainbow/pride shit more than D&D. They finding out though hints pushing more old school shit, however they fucking with it to the point people aren't going to touch it.
>>98629666>you just need to make sure the setting is internally consistent, and WOTC can't even manage that shit.The normies don't notice when it happens and if it does they can't care. Your example is something they would not have an issue with. They don't even know what is metaphysics let alone hold the idea that a fantasy universe should run on consistent metaphysics.
>>98623903To make people playing newer editions look like even bigger clowns
>>98623903Because Grand Wizards of the Coast hates race-mixing
>>98629380>You're no longer locked into playing specific classes with a specific SpeciesExcept they already addressed that in Tasha's with "if you don't like your racial ability scores you can put them somewhere else". Ability score increases in Backgrounds don't solve any problems, just pigeonhole characters even harder than ever. 5.0's "Rangers should be some elf/human mix or your ability scores aren't ideal" is significantly less restrictive than 5.5's "Rangers should be a Criminal or Guide or your ability scores, skills, and feat aren't ideal".>the fact the 2014 Custom Background option works with 2024 RAW means you can play anything you like at this point.So why is that a 5.0 option and not a 5.5 option? It's not like they forgot about it; in the playtest they talked about how important Custom Backgrounds were and how in the new rules Custom Backgrounds would come before the Premade ones to encourage people to use them. It's telling how we went from that to the official release removing Custom Backgrounds entirely. Plus if you're using Custom Background (any 5.0 Background really) you get to put you ability score increases wherever you want, which is exactly what 5.0 already had post-Tasha. 5.5 adds nothing.If the best way to use a 5.5 rule change is to ignore it and use 5.0 raw, then it's a terrible rule change.
>>98629735To be fair, they already look like clowns before they started playing Dykes and Dragqueens. I mean have you seen how these fags dress? I swear, it like the circus is always in town with them around.
>>98629992"I spend a lot of time looking at other play's shoes and here is what I think"Straightest man on /tg/
>>98629971>Ability score increases in Backgrounds don't solve any problems, just pigeonhole characters even harder than ever.Explain how when you can just pick the Custom Background option and put your stats, skills, tools, and languages anywhere and take any origin feat you want on any class and species you want.>is significantly less restrictive than 5.5's "Rangers should be a Criminal or Guide or your ability scores, skills, and feat aren't ideal".Custom origin, RAW you can pick that option from 2014 to get any stats, skills etc you want. Read the book man of dark complexion.>So why is that a 5.0 option and not a 5.5 option?It's a 5.5 option. Page 38 of the 2024 PHB:>Backgrounds in older D&D books don't include ability score adjustments. If you're using a background from an older book, adjust your ability scores by increasing one score by 2 and a different one by 1, or increase three scores by 1. None of these increases can raise a score above 20.>Similarly, species in older books include ability score increases. If you're using a species from an older book, ignore those increases and use only the ones given by your background.>Also, if the background you choose doesn't provide a feat, you gain an Origin feat of your choice.This is in the 2024 PHB. Thus, it's a 5.5 rule that all 5.0 Species and Backgrounds are 5.5 Species and Backgrounds, RAW, no RAI, no interpretation, that's just a hard and fast fact.
>>98630030>How dare you noticed someone demanding everyone pay attention to them and dressing in the most outrageous outfits so people will look at them.Nigga, I have fucking eyes. Plus they tend to try to shove in everyone faces especially kids, quit acting like I can't call it out cause only fags can comment on how retarded someone dresses. That card isn't going to help you
>>98630322> Thus, it's a 5.5 rule that all 5.0 Species and Backgrounds are 5.5 Species and Backgrounds, RAW, no RAI, no interpretation, that's just a hard and fast fact.No, what that is is a lazy cop-out. If Custom Backgrounds was a 5.5 rule it would be in the 5.5 PHB so you could discover it while creating your 5.5 character. It's just a paragraph in 5.0, how hard would it have been to repeat that in the 5.5 PHB if the designers wanted it to be a 5.5 rule?And again, what value is 5.5 adding here? If the solution to make 5.5 Backgrounds palatable is to only use 5.0 Backgrounds so character creation functions the same as 5.0, what's the point of the 5.5 Backgrounds? How is that not a massive design failure?
>>98629992>have you seen how they dressin baggy cargo shorts and graphic t-shirts. The same uniform as all of /tg/.your gay panic on this is weird.
>>98623903march through the institutions (faggot version)
>>98623932Arilyn Moonblade, Tanis Half Elven, Jaheira, Shadowheart, to name a few. Arilyn and Tanis' character arcs center around being half elves. Daelan Red Tiger and Dorn for half orcs, I guess, though calling them pivotal is stretching it.
>>986305365.5's entire thing is backwards compatibility. Either way, you're just whining for the sake of it.>I want a solution to this problem!>Here's your easy, quick solution.>No, not like that! If it isn't exactly how I want it it isn't a solution!>OK Retard.>If the solution to make 5.5 Backgrounds palatable is to only use 5.0 BackgroundsThat's not what's happening here and you know it. 5.5's backgrounds blow 5e's out of the water. You get a free origin feat that fits your character's background, you can still use all the old ones which now ALSO get origin feats and ASIs, there is literally no downside and you're just cherrypicking at this point like the contrarian faggot you are. If this was any other game you'd be sucking it off hardcore.
>>98623962Roll playingNotRole playing
>>98623916Are they that big of a deal that they must be removed?
>>98623903Because they want to differentiate fantasy races from real world races. That's why they stopped calling them races too
>>98631349The 5E schizo is not going to reply to you lmao. He already is ass blasted and making his typical off topic shit with politics
>>98623903Because they hate you, and me, and any of their actual playerbase.>>98623916It's both. Half-elves have been one of the most popular races forever, despite being kinda mushy lorewise. But it was absolutely done as a culture war attack. Remember, RESPONDING to a culture war attack is always good. Calling people out for defending themselves is always bad. The guys with the power are the ones waging the culture war against us; it's always morally correct to call them out for it.>>98623961Orcs are a disgusting beast-race that hates goodness and order. 90% of half-orcs are functionally just orcs, and only the top 10% can operate in human society. This was the stated assumption about the race before, and it wasn't so much lore as it was what orcs were. Similar with elves and dwarves, really. By changing this- especially by uplifting orcs to be just Mexicans with tusks for some reason- they are totally fucking up orcs and ALSO implying that if you run the orcs as described you're some kind of bad person. It's just trash.
>>98631546(continued)>>98623966Based, this makes shitbirds cope, seethe, and dilate.>>98625155Based. Always point this out. Never let them get away with the pretense that pushing back against a massively powerful political op that has captured institutions and is so petty that they have to infest fucking tabletop gaming is somehow bad. >>98625212I'm so glad posters like you post, anon.
>>98631548(continued)>>98625583Tieflings are implied to be only fractionally descended these days. Cambions are human parent and fiend parent though, but because they have wings and a cool laser beam they normally aren't playable.>>98626214I mean you can just say no to "can I create a new race out of nothing", and one sentence was good enough to say no otherwise. The existence of certain half-races never implied that everyone could crossbreed, after all.>>98629380ASIs were moved to backgrounds for political reasons. It's not a "better mechanical option".
>>98625405Learn to read, moron.
