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What forces dare defend this thread from the steel talons of the Jade Falcon?
>>98642812The Sailor Guardians!
HONOR THE DRAGON!
All hail the Hunchback!
>>98642884Okay, I guess. He's a pretty cool dude. Has hot girlfriends.
CAN'T CURB THE URB', AC/20 DOWN YOUR SHITPIPE!
>>98642914Ninyu Kerai Indrahar?
>>98642928
>>98642859Theres an all girls mercenary group who are a bunch of anime vtubers and whenever one of them dies they are graduated instead.
>>98642928You absolutely can. Urbanmech may in fact be the single worst mech in the entire game.
>>98642968I'm not here to win, I'm here to bankrupt you and kill your best pilots
>>98643004I doubt you'll accomplish either.
>>98642968URBIES STRONG TOGETHER!!!
Praise Blake. Death to all clanner scvm. Death to the carrion lords of the so-called “svccessor” states.
>>98643126Fucking image didn’t upload, most likely due to treasonous interlopers.
>>98643134>peripherat who can't upload images blames glorious inner sphere civilization for his inability to use a computerTale as old as time.
>>98643144Probably a Taurian?
>>98642812REEEEEEEE
>>98643179Every single periphery planet is exactly the same
>>98643103I'll waste your time and your cbills
It's official, Leviathans Rest is the best hope for humanity in the Battletech universe. Everyone else, by virtue of being closer to the Clanners or Houses, is more at risk of being subsumed or forced into countless wasteful wars to ever amount to anything.
>>98643294VGH....the axumite providence.....come home spheroid man
>>98643294Leviathans will never be a real game. Fuck off you don't belong here.
With the other anon's game concluded, I would now like to continue on with the next part of my game. So this is the last call for the following characters.Janusz Kotow 4/5, Orion ON1-VAObal Moriancumer 5/6, Warhammer WHM-6RBob Denard 4/5, Wasp WSP-1AVladimir Ignatyev 6/7, Wasp WSP-1ARespond to this with some pilot rolls so I can move on with the story beats, or don't so I can write off the characters. I can easily make do with just 12 characters if need be. Also on that note, if anyone would like to have a potential new character added to the mix, let me know and I'll let you know the details of what to roll.
Is the Dragon just a worse Centurion?
>>98643464I've always felt that, yeah. Mind you, I've never had the chance to use it on the tabletop, but I've played both HBS and MW5 and didn't find it enjoyable to play as in either.
>>98643464Presuming 1N vs 9-A, the Dragon is faster, better armored and heavier, therefore better at melee. The smaller autocannon does hurt, though.
>>98643464Depends on the Centurion variant and then depends on the Dragon variant but even then they're completely different style of mechs. Your average Centurion has dogshit for armor while your average Dragon is a Griffin that can't jump.
>>98643110WE MIGHT BE SLOW! BUT AT LEAST WE'RE NOT SLOW!
>>98643586WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE!!!
Rolled 1, 5, 2, 2 = 10 (4d6)>>98643451Obal Moriancumer will continue.
>>98643593Fear not, Commander Can is here. Hold fire until you can see the glare front their cockpits mechwarriors! Hold fast! HOLD STEADY! We shall smite them so with a volley our AC/10s.FRONT LANCE, FIRE!! SECOND LANCE, FIRE!!
When will we finally get a 3E sculpt from CGL?
Actually nevermind, the New Delphi Compact is humanity's only hope for the future.>One of the few surviving republics of the setting>Enough worlds to feasibly expand in the future>Hyper-deadly virus that kills 95% of people other than native citizens means nobody wants to invade themAll that's left for them is to deal with the luddism.
>>98643692>New Delphi>indian>hope for the futureLolLmao even
>>98643710I didn't want to be the one to say it.
>>98643669
does anyone have any of the BattleTech audiobooks? the non-abridged ones?
>>98643620It would have been a shame for the guy who rolled the best initial mech to drop. I look forward to catching a PPC to the face.
>>98643620A man of few words, but I'll assume you saw the battle results then. Now let's check those new stats.6 puts you into Regular territory. No modifiers this time. 2 & 2 means that your 5/6 is now... a 4/6. That is, technically an improvement. Nobody can say Obal's stats haven't improved after he missed so many shots in the first battle. He clearly put a little focus into his gunnery.>>98643844As nice as Obal's Warhammer is, let's not forget that it's Janusz Kotow who rolled the Orion. Janus Kotow, who is currently MIA.I suspect that the creator's of Bob Denard and Vladimir Ignatyev may have lost interest when their guys ended up in bugmechs. Shame. I could still do stuff with them, but if not, I've got a storyline to write off the non-returners.
>>98643710Their culture is actually a blend of English and French
>>98643710Delphi, not Delhi. You know, like "the oracle at ______"
>>98643815there's no units with normal left arms to pull from anon, otherwise I would have done this already.
>>98643879It is a matter of opinion but I rate the Warhammer better than the Orion in this period.
>>98643919Well, I suppose it does technically cost exactly 1 BV more than the Orion.
>>98643381N
>>98643294What if Leviathan Wakes?
>>98643647He clearly needs a Sword...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOyTQEJCJY
>>98643692>>One of the few surviving republics of the setting and for this reason I hoped they get clanned. Disgusting shitty governance
>>98644180based
>>98644180unfortunately they'll never join the rest of the enlightened inner sphere, without a monarch to dispel their fears and guide them into the technological age. sad!
>>98644229>Posting game of thrones slop
Painting my first BT miniatures, going Clan Hell's Horses. What kind of basing would you do on these guys? I'm thinking snow to really make the red pop but I'm open to suggestions.Also what kind of accents would you add?
>>98644400I did a snow base for my red OCs. It does look good, but it was a bitch to color correct since my snow mix came out yellowish since it went over a pale, partially white grass. Luckily stark white paint goes on fine over white sand and already whitish sawdust.
>>98644481The ancient secret base snow is baking soda.
>>98644612doesn't that react and fuck up the base after a while?
>>98644622It's mildly basic. Acid fucks up metal and paint. Baking soda just gets crunchy and flakes after awhile if you didn't seal it right. Maybe worse if you let water get to it. Strong bases like lye are excellent paint strippers, though.
>>98643464The 1N's "problem" is the tonnage spent on the engine, coupled with a anemic AC5, LRM10, and a rear ML, neither which are good at point blank range where the dragon can kick your shins off. The Grand Dragon is much better.
When did 420 become the max engine size? I thought 400 was supposed to be the biggest one
>>98644749It's a Shad replacement and a superior base Shad, honestly. Stick a Quickdraw battle buddy in your Dragon lance to cover all angles, and FIGHT FOR THE HONOR OF THE DRAGON!Charger optional for the exceptionally kickass
>>98644400>What kind of basing would you do on these guys?Plain black.
>>98644776It is 400 in normal rules. Advanced rules go up to 500.But the square law for weight remains in play, so they rapidly stop making sense, even in superheavies.
Fellas I gotta say the Vapor Eagle's cockpit is some serious bullshit to paint.>>98644787how dare you
>>98644875megamek is telling me the max rated for regular meks is 420
>>98644902It started with basing fatigue. Then I asked myself what basing really added, and I couldn't think of anything. I don't like the way basing clashes with the maps. You put a mech on sand, for instance, and then play a bunch of games on grasslands. It gets even weirder if you do like a tiny diorama with vehicles or people around/under the feet.
>>98644933See but on the other hand, it looks cool as hell. 99% of the time your models will be on a shelf or otherwise not on a map, and the benefits of it looking cool outweigh the fact of it likely clashing with whatever mapsheet it's on for the other 1% of the time.
>>98644164Urbie with arm and sword and support heavy laser just to ensure tsm activates and stays active.
>>98644400Damn. That dcms Jenner SoL? Looks like it's been freshly waxed?
>>98644637>lyeDO NOT DO THIS.This mother fucker trying to get you acid burns that eat through to your fucking BONE.>lye>fucking LYE.Jesus fuck asshole.
>>98644749Because its a super griffin without jets. Using bigger engine more staying mobile. Maintaining the cavalry role.
>>98644985Doesn't do it for me, but you do you. I never enjoyed the process of basing, so I'm happy embracing the clean look. When I started painting minis basing was taught to me as just something you did and I never thought about for years until I just said "fuck this" one day.
What the actual fuck?"Using bigger engine FOR staying mobile" you stupid fucking 'ai' 'smart' keyboard app.
>>98644992I mean I gave him a Partial Wing and AES because that's how SANGER ZONVOLT rolls!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPfheCHDoco
>>98645003A. Lye is not an acid, quite the oppositeB. Lye is used in a lot of industries and home crafts. It's perfectly safe as long as you're careful. Frankly, I'd say that a car battery (=a big ol' jug of sulfuric acid) is more dangerous and people don't think twice about throwing them around.
>>98644400>>98644902Do these mechs move 3X as fast?
>>98644925Megamek isn't canon.
Fucking when CGL
>>98645140Also Viper.
>>98645160You'll cowards don't even smoke blazers.
>>98645140After Leviathans releases to retail
>>98645140Is that VOR?
>>98645061That's so fucking stupid it wraps around to being cool as fuck.I want a Melee Urbie now.
>>98645469I would copy that one Trebuchet and give it a taser and chain whip. If you can squeeze an AC/20 in there all the better. It zaps you down, then molests you with its myomer tentacle before blowing your head off. It would have multiple ways of preventing you from running away if you end up within melee range.
>>98642968Play on an urban map with double blind rules
>>98645503QUOTE FOR TRUTH.Every 'shit mech' with short range horrible weapons bla bla bla becomes evil incarnate if played realistically with double blind.Everyone laughs at the victor until they walk their fucking timber wolf around a corner and one jumps over to unload everything into their zillionty bv and cbill omnimech's wet arse. Whereupon the victor proceeds to fist that wet anus even harder with good ol' melee. Return fire? Good luck, I'm behind c5 buildings. Please! Make more heavy rubble for us. Or as we call it, COVER.
>>98645495One of the gauntlet's official set-ups is a giant fucking tsemp in one arm just for disabling and capturing enemy mechs...
>>98645541Congratulations for winning a scenario you made up in your head, I guess?
>>98644787>>98644933>I'm lazyYes we know.
>>98645541Fuck off. Nobody plays double blind. It can't even be done IRL you have to do it on a computer. Your answer means nothing since it's based on an impossible premise.
>>98645568I prefer "efficiently sufficient."
>>98645541>enemy walks at least 3>jumps>4/5 IS pilot>miss>miss>miss>kick miss>fall overGreato Jobbu
>>98645569As someone who has played double blind in real life it can be done but not without taking forever with fucktons of arguments. Holy christ never again despite how entertaining some things got.
>>98643669bet you it'll be a 24 dollar metal mini from IWM instead (but with options parts at least)
>>98645561I like Victor and see it possible but urbie outside of heavy urban zones is >>98643259 but for those who deploy urbie.
>>98644738Technically Clan Smoke Jaguar never left, they just became pirates, then Devlin Stones black-ops warcrimes hypocrisy squad, before finally hitting up Alaric by going "Yeah, you remember those Fidelis Assholes, turns out we were Smoke Jags all along."and he was like:>"Fidelis? Those fucking murderous treacherous haters who nobody likes and if somebody were to drop a nuke on and erase them from the galaxy it'd be one of the few things all the great houses would actually agree to be a good thi... okay I see it now."
>>98645697Nobody in 3150 is actually holding to the 3050 clan rules, but the Fidelis were super duper not doing that. The unquestionably lost the trial of annihilation.
>>98645495I want more common melee mech variants.Like one thing I think would be cool is expanding on the Hachetman 5Ks with a large Vibroweapon variant, up the engine and give it TSM so it can rush at you way fast and switch between an active blade and TSM empowered deactivated blade for consistently high damage.
>>98645697Eh who cares? Everyone knows that the true canon timeline is the one where the Word of Blake won the jihad, eradicated the Clans and ushered in a new golden age of mankind!
>>98645827That's all very nice dear, now into the gas chamber, please.
>>98644985I bet for you your minis stay on the shelf 100% of the time.
>>98645503Even in urban combat the urbanmech is trash because it's so slow and poorly armored. I'd rather take a Hetzer.
The dragon....is gay.
>>98645697I remember debating details about Jaguar survivors before Forever Faithful was ever published. I love how it totally proved me right.
>>98646013Ignorance is spitting on the Dragon. Enlightenment is realizing the Dragon will never get any of the gay or troon BS because none of the faggot writers want to even write about them and CGL is content to just resetting them back to deasignated ad guy faction while they focus entirely on Clanner glazing. Dracfans are unironically winning in the CGL era, sorry about the rest of you having to watch your factions get ruined though.
>>98646078Honor the Dragon!
>>98645842See, houseoids cant stop from outing themself as most horrible humanoids.
Using the Chaos Campaign rules, is it intended that you freely switch between SP and C-bills? I feel like that's the intent because it means that even though higher tech lists start with more SP, Inner Sphere mechs like the Pillager and Berserker get pretty hefty discounts if bought with SP, whereas Clan and other high tech mechs will stay roughly as expensive either way.
I painted some more Drac mechs.
>>98646373That sounds very unpleasant and certainly not the intent>lets convert how we track this campaigns finances so that I can make a one time discounted purchase
>>98646441Not bad. Is that LoV?
>>98646612Ryuken Roku (dark gray with red highlights).
>>98642812Already two missions deep in scouring sands.Anyone who guessed that the wasp would be first to die of the bugs, would have been correct. Although amusingly the first to hit the ground was the Bane 7 after a particularly nasty clan firing line ripped it to shreds, only to get finished off by two hovertanks I had no opportunity to stop.I managed to salvage both mechs, although both pilots were wounded, costing me 100SP because the Wasp pilot was a no-nameThe wasps sacrifice was no mistake however, as it drew fire from my two locusts and fire moth, both locusts having taken armor damage at that point from elemental fire.
>>98645796I want a charger with nothing but a battering ram and flamers
>>98645140Never, they should not be wasting resources on this AU bullshit. Kitbash your own FFS they’re dinosaurs with laser guns strapped to them. Also knowing their track record with mold quality the models are going to look like undetailed pieces of turd.We should be getting a Banshee 3E mold instead.
Campaign plot hooks:>Your Dudes have been roped into a company store scheme by one of the Great Houses but a lesser noble house buys up your debt. They're buying up the contracts of as many indentured mercenaries as they can to assemble a private army to make a play for independence.>Your Dudes are trapped on a planet where terrorists have released a deadly virus and the local House military have blockaded it to stop it spreading. The terrorists, on the other hand, claim the virus was released by accident from a government lab and they've been set up to keep the government from looking incompetent.>Pirates sneak past the borders of one of the major states to raid a peaceful planet whose biggest source of weapons is the local museum. Use Proliferation Era mechs and WWII vehicles to hold them off until reinforcements can arrive from off world.
>>98646737>Your Dudes are trapped on a planet where terrorists have released a deadly virusOh shit is it the airborn zombie one from that one planet?
>>98646737I always like merc campaigns where people aren't outright disrespectful to Mercs but clearly are willing to take advantage of the fact that they're Mercs. Company store policies and plausible deniability are fun.
>>98644400My default is dark brown ground with the green shredded sponge type ground cover. Works for anything
>>98646704Charger with lance is one of the more common customs, I feel.
>>98645612Thank God for megamek.
Newfag here, only played a couple games. The first half of Wolves on the Border had me wanting to paint my guys Draconis Combine, the second half made me want to paint them as Wolf's Dragoons. Fuck House Kurita, why are these zipperheads always trying to keep a brother down?
>>98647125Dracs good, Goons bad.
>>98647125He had the chance to cut the head off the Wolf and didn't take it.
>>98647125Wolves on the Border convinced me to play as mercenary because house politics are insane and the clans are mostly gay
>>98647279Ain't that the truth, on both counts.
>>98647233This. Imagine a world where we don't have to deal with the Dragoons' homosexuality
>>98647125Draconis Combine being based for once, fuck the gooners. Long live the Waco Rangers.
>>98647436Waco getting his revenge was probably the best part of the JihadImagine his mechwarriors saddling up and knowing it's a death ride
>>98647436Aren't they the ones who wound up throwing in with the Wobblies just for the chance to settle their old vendetta with the 'Goons?
>>98647502Few people in life have what it takes to be true haters. Waco Rangers are one of the few outside of DC comics to really get it.
>>98647502Revenge is a dish best served at the worst possible time.
are PDFs no longer supported?
>>98647745They haven't been for a while, that big hack relied on a fake PDF that injected some kind of code into the server when uploaded, and rather than implement some kind of checker to make sure a PDF is actually a PDF and not a PDF.EXE, they just disabled PDFs entirely.
>>98647797shoot i figured they'd fixed the problem instead of dropping support entirely
>>98645469>That's so fucking stupid it wraps around to being cool as fuck.UNLEASH THE SWORD OF YOUR SOUL!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSWa4y30G_A>>98645796>I want more common melee mech variants.Gottcha bro.
How has MegaMek not been DMCA'd out of existence?
>>98647892CGL aren't the ones who hold the rights to a BattleTech Computer periferal.
>>98647892PGI tried once. They were told to go fuck themselves.
>>98647899Thank God for messy licensing agreements then, its been quite useful for helping me learn the rules.
>>98647892They're very careful to avoid infringing directly, and have spoken to CGL and Microsoft to keep things that way.
>>98647892Since Microsoft has never bothered to move on it, it probably counts as a game aid, and the guy with the digital game aid license has been MIA for years (he's not dead last I checked, he just isn't active anywhere Battletech related and has not said anything about it) and never seemed to have anything to say about free competitors to his paid software even when he was maintaining it.
>>98647745>>98647797How are we going to post TO&Es now?
>>98648269Screenshot your spreadsheet or post a Mekbay link, I guess.
>>98648269why do you think anyone wants to see your TO&E?
I'm setting up small scenario game for friends in Alpha Strike, set during the Liberation of Terra, anyone got some music that'd fit the vibes of a grandiose and desperate last battle? call me a lame faggot but this is the best I got so farhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lzo26SsKVk
>>98648329fucking retard ofc I fucked up the embedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lzo26SsKVk
>>98648269Just post them on Google Docs or upload them to a filesharing site?
You know what mech doesn't get talked about much? The Enfield. What does /btg/ think of the Enfield?
>>98645003Nigga, you know that lye (i.e. draincleaner and oven cleaner) is one of the only ways to clean old 80's plastic models coated in enamel paint without melting them? Just don't be a retard and torch your hand like the guy on Fight Club.
>>98647279Anyone that's not a merc in this setting is a slave.
>>98648668A frankly average mech that doesn't know what it wants to do with itself having to compete with a lot of excellent options. I wouldn't say no to one but I'd always much rather have something else.Take the 6Q for example, well you've got several Bushwacker variants already there as an alternative option which I feel synergise their loadouts a lot better.6J? A Starslayer is an extremely attractive proposition for a little extra BV.
>>98648668It's not as mooky as some of its contemporaries, but all of the post-helm mookmechs share the same problem that is "why have this when the mook could just be in a 300 year old handmedown shitbox?"
>>98648872Even if it is oversinked it hard to beat this thing as the king of the mook mechs
I've got a Charger ready to paint that I want to run as a Charger C; I know the Raven Alliance is making these, but are they mostly handing them to the AMC or the Clan units? Would it be out of place to paint it in Beta Galaxy colors, or should I take a stab at the Alliance Borderers (Black, blue accents, gold trim)?
>>98648888You have insulted the feelings of the capellan people with your designation of the Celestial Wisdom’s glorious battlemech design as a “mook” . Apologize immediately .
A mook just flew over my house!
>>98648888Three times faster than a normal Vindy.
Are the Dracs right about focusing on heavies and lights and not bothering with mediums?
Has there ever been an actual phoenix hawk IIC, given how>the 'Mech design that would later be the Phoenix Hawk IIC was originally called the Matador, and was not intended to be related in any way to the Phoenix Hawk.[21]
>>98649136That's the basics. I forget the specifics but I saw a good write up on it once. Doctrinally they see mediums as a worst of both worlds compromise unable to go as fast as a light and unable to carry as much as a heavy. But it's not that they don't use meds, they just use less of them compared to the other sucessor states. Doesn't hurt that one of their premier lights fills basically the same role a medium trooper would. And pay no attention to how their premier heavy is armed exactly like one of those medium troopers but 15 tonnes heavier
>>98649137Shad IIC 2 is pretty close. You are spoiled for choice if all you want is something to jump around and bully light mechs.
I ran my first Battletech game today, a 2v2 using my starter Griffin and Vindicator and holy shit the Griffin is so hard to space right. The vindicator fucks though.I feel like a fool for asking but how do you keep a wasp from running up and kicking your kneecaps in with a long range brawler like that?
>>98649170Win initiative and move it last. Find a cliff that's too tall to melee across and park right next to it (ideally below, don't place yourself over an edge they can push you off of). Kick its shins out first using your much stronger legs.
>>98649170Hohoho… The wasp is approaching me? Instead of running away, it’s coming directly into kick range?
>>98649170>how do you keep a wasp from running upblast it, dawg
>>98649369Well that was the PLAN but I whiffed every shot
>>98649170Joking aside, you outweigh the wasp by a significant amount. Any exchange where it enters melee range will be a losing exchange for it, a single kick from a griffin will literally delete its leg. wasp 1A has 5 armor and 4 structure in legs and griffin does 11 kick damage. It getting in your rear is what I assume you are actually worried about. If you can’t move out of rear jumping range then try to move your vindicator so that it can cover your griffins rear. A single PPC shot will nearly destroy any location it hits. Also it’s kinda a huge piece of shit so I’d hazard to say you can pretty much ignore it until your opponent makes a mistake and gives you melee or a low TMM shot on it.
Why is Clan Wolf the most popular clan?
>>98649506Because they're designated protagonists with more written about one in-game month of their activity than some other clans get for their entire existence.
>>98649506I don't think they actually are. However they're the protagonists of the setting.
>>98649430Bait it into terrain where it can't go fast. Woods, Rough, multi-levels, anything to get it to waste MP it needs.And if it doesn't take the bait? Your bait is safe, and ball is in your court.Also, melee is super effective against lights so try setting up a charge or a DFA.
What's the point of gun arms anyways? Doesn't it kinda ruin half the purpose of a mech to take away perfectly functional hands able to grab things and push yourself upright?
>>98649198>>98649292>>98649465>>98649569Thanks for the advice, genuinelyIt was my first game and we were playing with the simplified 40th anv quick-start rules, so melee and heat management weren’t factors in play. It’s just good to know there are counters for it
>>98649593The pros v cons of hands vs gun arms fall heavily in hands' favor. It would be easier for rookies to pilot gun arms due to lack of complex manipulation but the sheer versatility of hands can't be underestimated. The scene in Mercenary's Star where the Verthandi guerillas' column is held up due to one of the mechs teetering off a cliff and the only mech with hands that can get it back up is a phoenix hawk further down the line comes to mind.
>>98649666Nothing about that in the tabletop rules. As far as I care, gun arms are better than hands because they let you put bigger guns in. There's no rules reason why all mechs shouldn't have gun arms.
>>98649546>>98649562Well that's what happens when the original protagonists, the Grey Death Legion, get killed off. Never should have happened.
>>98649683I liked the Grey Death Legion. They were always plunky protagonists in a way that was fun and even when they did shit above their pay grade it felt less like "hurr durr dey duh best mercs evah" and more "hehe look at our fun underdogs thinking out of the box and being underestimated."
>>98649593Gun arms can flip to the back and fire both arms at something directly behind you. Hands can punch better and pick up objectives. The worst of both worlds is lower arm ending in a gun. They can't flip and they can't hand. They're slightly better at punching than things that go straight from torso to gun, but why would you when you have a big gun?
>>98649676Punch. Also objectives that need to be grabbed. But yes, for 99% of cases there's little to no reason not to ditch hands, especially with ballistic weapons that take up a ton of crit space.
>>98649792>Gun arms can flip to the back and fire both arms at something directly behind youHow is that possible? The arms have the same myomer and bones as the rest of the mech.
>>98649864It's called arm flipping, and they can do it because they don't have to worry about anchoring actual arm bits into the shoulder. Some mechs can turn their whole torso around 180° (not 360° spin, they have to go back the way they came from to look forward again), although it's expressed as a quirk rather than an intrinsic part of the core game.
>>98649162I pay attention to the speed of that premier heavy. The only weirdness is them forgetting they liked PPCs and weren't Daves when first designing it.
>>98648987Looks like front line.
>>98649781I liked them because it felt like they scraped and clawed for every victory they ever got. They never had it easy. They suffered and many of them died, but the GDL lived on. Until it didn't.
What would you guys run if you had a campaign where you couldn't run mechs or superheavy/heavy vehicles, and could only get things considered common pool, cheap, and with stock loadouts.Asking for a friend that doesn't have much time. Let's say you're playing on defense here with a few strategic sites.
>>98650050A different game.
>>98650050Medium and light vehicles only is extremely restrictive, and will lead to hovercraft duels where large sections of the map might as well not be there and regular rated crews can't hit anything.
>>98650058Opfor has no restrictions in this case, so we have medium/lights and maybe something akin to a Demolisher.
>>98650050Hovercraft and spam hetzers. Shoot AC/20s everywhere and hope something lands.
>>98650093>Hovercraft and spam hetzersJust do Saladins and save a step!
>>98650113Is Infantry worth it at all?
>>98650126Infantry can be good, but takes some skill to use. Vehicles can mostly be used just like shitty Mechs
>>98650050Nothing but Mechbusters. Final destination.
>>98650126Infantry can be extremely un-fun if no one brought anti infantry weapons.
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>>98650126In the right terrain, yes. Be prepared for endless bitching however as faggots and other assorted trash can't handle it. Turns out those MGs weren't just for show and trading them for armor has consequences.
>>98650216If we're playing combined arms, as arranged in a pre-game batchall, your dudes are getting set on fire.
>>98650126You bring an entire army of infantry when your opponent is one of those "custom optimized mech" people who insists on bringing nothing but over optimized custom mechs into a game, so out of spite you bring almost nothing but infantry and bait them into a scenario where your infantry will tear their mechs apart, because I guarantee you they didn't put any machine guns/light pulse lasers on those mechs at all. This is why when I think of a custom mech, I always try to toss on a machine gun or light X-pulse laser if I can to at least give the mech flexibility in handling this exact nightmare scenario
>>98650126If your defensive points are buildings that the enemy wants to take intact, putting infantry in them is a no-brainer even if the enemy is ready for infantry. If the buildings can be destroyed, then the infantry isn't as good, but they're still a lot better than being on the attack or out in a random woods hex with no value.
>>98650050You play a different game. Battletech is a mech game. This is like asking how to run Vampire the Masquerade without any vampires.
>>98650126Infantry isn't well designed for battletech scale and you either bring inferno missiles or thumpers and wipe them off the board in a couple turns, or you spend 12+ turns slowly picking them out of cover because almost no good weapons have the anti-infantry rule.What infantry actually do is cost $3.50 and rape the initiative system.
>"Combined arms will always beat just spamming mechs!" said the tank commander>"lol" said the Mackie, "lmao"
>>98650334>>"lol" said the Mackie, "lmao"You were the first platform to get PPCs and BAR 10 Armor...
>>98650341Sure but let's be honest, if the military could've feasibly put those things on a tank at that time, they would've, we've seen how long it's taken the real world military to replace the aging and outdated A-10 Warthog, ain't no way the military would take a look at a vehicle to replace nearly ALL their other vehicles and sign off on it unless they were sure that the equipment in this new vehicle wouldn't just be better applied elsewhere first.
>>98650290...Which there are rules for, and people occasionally do.
>>98650393Sure, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, there are much better games for running conventional armies than Battletech.
>>98650126Yes, you just have to remember they are a pire defense unit. Field guns are good generally and you want a plan going in on how you are going to use your foot infantry. I have had success taking SRM/LRM platoons in vehicles that have a random infantry bay, they defend the vehicle when it gets it's movement crit out. Most players don't want to deal with finishing them off.
>>98650394And maybe some players happen to be familiar with BT and don't want to learn new rules just for one game.
>>98650394And you know what, Herb, I want to add: "BattleTech is a game about 'Mechs" doesn't mean that people need to heavy-handedly make sure that players don't try to play in other ways. If 95% of games involve primarily 'Mechs, and 'Mechs are in general the strongest units, then that's fine.For all the bitching about WarShips, there are combat DropShips that can take on a whole lance by themselves, just grounded, and the subcapital weapons introduced for Pocket WarShips can also fire orbit-to-surface, so orbital bombardment still fucking exists.
>>98650488I have a strong suspicion that the actual thing the writers didn't like about warships is people keeping track of how many individual units each faction had.
>>98650504what? why would the writers care about fans quietly pointing out the .... you know, whole space navy a certain faction had at the time that had to go on a space navy special vacation so that the invading army with ITS spacenavy (an ship or two) could MWUH HA HA HA HA! through the factionand do massive damage, all because the writers couldn't be aresd to do their research properly.no! don't be silly! why would the writers not like Warships because of that?having to actually keep track of a factions polity strategic force projection assets seems like LAME NERD SHIT only someone with... a semif-unctioning brain at minimum would care about.next you'll say writers should care about canon etc. or some other CUH RAY ZEE nonsense.
Personally I don't see any issue with running a purely conventional game, it'd be a neat peak at how warfare would go in most of the Periphery and the less important IS states.My main issue with conventional tanks and Infantry in general is they feel like they got the opposite treatment to units like LAMs and ASF. Tanks and Infantry started off as basically fodder before people on OF whined about how hard tanks get fucked by Battlemechs, and I think they've been buffed up to a bad degree and it runs counter to the core premise of the game. So yes, you should be able to run whatever you want, but conventional units like CVs and infantry need a rule change in general to better present why Mechs are objectively superior in combat.
>>98650050>What would you guys run if you had a campaign where you couldn't run mechsI would ask how anyone managed to wipe out the Locust, considering the succession wars couldn't even pull off that trick.If you want to run "no good mechs" just play in the periphery where everyone is strapping rockets onto their mechs after they get their weapons blown off.
>>98650660>Tanks and Infantry started off as basically fodder before people on OF whined about how hard tanks get fucked by Battlemechs,You are extremely confused unless you are talking about like, battledroids rules.
>>98650050I would run about 30 guys into a mech hanger and steal a mech at gunpoint.You can run matches that scrape the ground in militia mechs and agri-mech technicals and shit like that; that's pretty much what Dark Age is; but you're still going to run mechs.
>>98649162This seems like a bit of a cope when the reality is a lot of their medium mech production was destroyed during the Succession Wars so they were left with nothing but lights and heavies? Cause you do seem them rapidly produce mediums once infrastructure becomes available?>>98649506Most popular to shit on most likely. Nobody likes the Wolves not even Clan Wolf players.>>98650334>Guy brings a sword to a mech fight
>>98649506They are "popular" in the same way ultra marines are popular over in 40k.Poster boys for tourists.Real clanners pick someone with less obvious plot armor.
>>98650290>This is like asking how to run Vampire the Masquerade without any vampires.Bad analogy since the answer in that case is to just run one of the many supplements for playing hunters / wizards / werewolves / spirits / demons in vampire the masquerade.
>>98650678>Dark AgeThe shrike was the only good design to come out of the dark ages.
>>98650665I don't know about tanks, but as recently as BMRr, infantry took full damage, and double damage in the open. A PPC firing at a platoon in the open almost wiped it.In return though, infantry damage was fixed at their maximum for the number of surviving men, and did damage in groups of 5 instead of 2. But the maximum was lower than it is now for similar weapons, a full strength rifle platoon did something like 7 with every hit and now they can do 11 if they roll high on the cluster.
>>98650742All those designs with a single small laser for anti-infantry work make a lot more sense when that single small laser can reap 3 dudes in cover and 6 dudes in the open. That's a whole squad of commandos desperately trying to sachel charge your knees before their big units crest the hill. Under the oldest rules, that small laser would destroy an entire infantry unit, because they can only take one hit of any sort. Which is maybe a little too squishy.
>>98650660Just use BMR rules.
>>98649506It only is to the cunts doing the writing. Everyone else acknowledges that Li'l Niki's Chosen are insufferable twats.
>Rework aerospace so that it's on equal footing to mechsHow do you do it?
>>98650799That's the neat part, you don't!
>>98650799fundamentally impossibleremove aerospace entirely instead of trying
>>98650854Shut it Herb!
>>98650708>The shrike was the only good design to come out of the dark ages.this is a great opinion if you're a gay retard that nobody respects
>>98650799Personally I'd say you shouldn't? Battletech isn't the kind of game where things should all be equal. ASF dominate in space, Battlemechs dominate on the ground. I guess you could make PSR checks in atmosphere more forgiving if you want.
>>98650913What you LIKED the dark age spider redesign?>The fact that this +a retrofitted wood cutting mech was all I got in my dark age starter box may have done irreparable damage to my opinion of the entire era.
>>98650962I don't think the Spider is all that bad but I really like the design of both the Thunder Fox and the Anubis & both put belt to ass in actual tabletop play
>mechs have a max armor limit Huh?
>>98650913>gay retard that nobody respectsPls dude stop with projections.
>cool ass godzilla mech>only fielded by wolfs dragoons>they paint it red instead of green because clanners are retarded>impossible for other factions to salvage because plot armor prevents them from ever losing a fightthis game is stupid. fuck the master unit list. lorefags can eat my ass.
>>98651162It can be salvaged, it happened with other Dragoon-only mechs.
>>98651191>be one of the lucky few who get to pilot a salvaged lostech mech>furries have spent 300 years gooning with their sweaty ass cheeks in the chair there's no winning in the inner sphere
>>98651162There's plenty of Annihilators in Clan Second Line that can be salvaged and if you find a Diamond Shark sales representative you can order one?
>>98651162>godzilla >green
>>98646027There were survivors that notably joined groups like the Brotherhood of Randis. Not sure why there was even debate about their survivors ever existing? It was always a question whether their retardation matched their autism?
>>98650660Boot up a mechHQ campaign and try using vehicles. It should shortly become obvious why battlemechs are preferred.
>>98650638Its kind of like how they couldnt be bothered to remember the Home Clans so they threw them all into a dumpster and never looked back like the lazy cunts they are.
>>98650708>laughs in Cygnus>laughs in Jupiter
>>98650962The redesigned spider was an unfortunate victim of bad sculpting, the wings were attached to the torso by approximately 0.00001 nanometers of plastic and therefore ripped off at the slightest inconvenience. Plus someone thought they needed giant clown shoe feet for some reason. Conceptually, the mech was fine.
>>98646027There were always going to be surviving Jaguars because every snowflake edge lord dumbass ever wrote their shifty OCs as one for thirty odd years or so. The demand for Jaguars was and remains near infinite, of course Catalyst bent the knee and sucked cat cock for dollars.
>>98651162>impossible for other factions to salvage >what are the 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A, C variants>literally merc availability aka the "if you can afford it, you can get" availability list>you can make yours in any faction color and chalk it up to personal expenses or integrated mercsyou should try using your imagination anon, it's free
>>98651540To be fair, the "mercenary general" list also contains a lot of units that are unique to specific mercenary units. So it's not truly the "any Merc can buy this"-list sadly.But yeah play with whatever you want, it's only a game.
>>98650678Personally I'm partial to the Quasit. Lovely mook mech.
>>98650050Scaracen: flexible fast striker.Saladin: mechbustingHawk Hovertank (Quikscell LTV-4 clone): open terrain brawling.Bulldog: general all terrain brawling. 1 or 2 per lance as the LRM Bulldog.Goblin: brawling and infantry transpo.Warrior H7: recon and harassment. H-7C maybe
>>98651780SRM carriers or Hetzers in your industrial parks.If you don't like the Bulldog being 60 tons, then just oops! All Goblins! Not just the standard ones, but the SRM and LRM ones, too.
>>98650050Spam nothing but Yellow Jackets and watch him rage?
>>98645140>>98645160On that note...how long are AGOAC mechs like the Commando staying oop?Wtf is going on with the house forcepacks and force manuals?Did the Lunar/City BFM ever appear for sale outside of conventions? I kept pretty close tabs on web storefronts (even cgl) and it never seemed to materialize, even when the Grassalnds BFM reappeared.
>>98650354Least unreasonable hell's horses vehicle
>>98651934That's just their average school bus?
>>98651906The original commando mold was horrible, im ok with it being unavailable for a while if it means the missile launchers are actually visible, the laser has a proper bore, and the legs arent stiff kneed and awful.
I've never made a model of a mech before, but I need a Balius and the plog art and IWM sculpt are terrible, so hold my beer.
>>98651852Did they get buffed? Back the decade+ ago I still played, jellobuckets were a waste of BV.
How does /btg/ feel about Goonhammer/Tabletop Battles? Are there any similar resources you prefer? I get that their rankings kind of feed into the WAAC, tourneyfag mindset, but do you feel they're accurate? I ask because there are a few game stores in my area that occasionally have BattleTech events with prizes like merchandise or cash purses so I thought I might try my hand at putting together some competitive builds. Gotta get that cheddar and all.
>>98652037It's pretty bad, if you change the proportions of a horse in the wrong way even slightly it suddenly stops being a horse, the fat neck cockpit is terrible as well.
>>98652100The PPC version is pretty good for what it is since it can actually move. Arrow IV version also is an absurdly cheap artillery platform.
>>98652148He did a redesign that is somewhat better.
>>98652180Oh, yeah, fair.
>>98652135They are obsessed with battle value to damage ratios.
>>98652135bringing more armor is rewarded by the game rules, bringing more gun is notgoonhammer thinks theyre geniuses for figuring this out
>>98652135also their logic only holds true given that tournaments only give you 3 to 6 turns of combatso of course they hate fast snipers since kiting isnt a thing due to lack of time even though a fast sniper is an excellent tool to have in an actual battle since it will come home alive more frequently than a brawler
>>98652135One of their players is a hideous trannoid and another one larps as a cowboy or some shit. Who the fuck cares.
>>98652345>Who the fuck cares.Tranoids and cowboys. Weird how that demographics overlap.
>>98652345Which one is more convincing?
>>98652037>>98652148>>98652242Giant Horse Cock Cannon. That'd fix it. Better than the silly hip guns. Or at least give it some fucking eye beams.Really though Hells Horses need to just give up on their stupid horse quads as only hard-shell creature ones don't look totally silly, and just make their totem mech look like Thirty/Thirty from Bravestarr so it's just a big angry horse-man with a gun instead of a toy horse with guns strapped to it.
>>98649970Thanks man, that’s super helpful actually. What source is this from? Might be good to have for the other factions I play and paint.
>>98652135My go to guy is Trailblazer. He gives good advice and rates mechs seperalty based on how good they are for the BV and how good are they are as a drop ship slot for their tonnage.
>>98642785why is steve buscemi in battletech?
>>98652398The cowboy has the better winning record, as well as having a far easier costume choice.
>>98652404Unfortunately the flamer is head mounted, not CT.
>>98652404that would just be that one protomech again but fat
>>98652404>Horses need to just give up on their stupid horse quads as only hard-shell creature ones don't look totally silly, and just make their totem mech look like Thirty/Thirty from BravestarrThey did it for their protomech
>>98652523what in the god damn fuck is that?what is that pyle?
>>98652539"The Weird Shit"
>>98652539A superheavy WiGE protomech that is actually really nasty.
>>98652454Why is Ian?
>>98652523Imagine trying to do war normally and this shit is what shows up to fight you.
>>98652581I think that might actually be a deliberate reference. He looks a lot younger than he is and has been in business for ages and a lot of the people who worked on early BattleTech were big into military history stuff.
>>98652523Good, now make it at least a heavy mech instead of a shitty protomech. And maybe ditch the wings. Wings is Jade Falcon shit.This works so much better than the quads it's ridiculous. Partly because it looks horrific instead of goofy.
>>98652582You know what?If you clanners aren't going to take this seriously I'm just going home..
>>98652646Sadly the protomechs have already ambushed and set fire to your supply lines and transport
>>98652646You just don't understand the big brain concepts of taking things seriously which happen to involve pretending that you are a horse.
>>98652646You DARE to refuse my batchall?
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>>98652840god i miss the old internet before the great sanitizing
>>98652418IlKhan's Eyes Only, towards the back there are some RATs, though not for every faction.
What happened to MechWarrior Wizkids anon? I miss his battle reports :(
>>98652942He died of loneliness.
How many inferno missiles does it take to ignite a hex? Can an srm 2 do it on its own?
>>98649781They were certainly more enjoyable that the designated Sue protagonist mercenaries like the Wolf's Dragoons or their rich-kid Lyran copycats the Kell Hounds. The GDL felt like they earned their wins.
>>98652867Won't somebody, think of the AI-generated scam advertisement videos?
>>98653101but then who will stand up for the poor little credit card companies, anon? they get so sad if impure things are near them
>>98652148Don't all of the variants of this have pulse lasers in their ass cheeks?
I despise the entire conceit of protomechs tbhbbqfamalam
>>98653139Would be funny, if not for the fact that you can literally use your credit card to pay for unlimited access to CP and revenge porn.
>>98653188No they come out of the butthole.
>>98653205They would make more sense if they were less bespoke. The entire history of them was that the scientists were cooking up a new unit type in secret and then there was a desperate need for more fighting units so they got greenlight and mass produced, but if the situation is that desperate, then maybe instead of purpose built special units, they combined their new piloting scheme that doesn't require nearly as much equipment in the mech (the cockpit can just be a coffin with a data hookup, don't need a gyro, etc) with omnimech technology to make up any gaps. A protomech should be like a skeletonized Fire Moth. Don't even need a head, rip it off. Replace that gyro with the pilot. Arms? Decadent waste, save them for a normal mech. Weapons? What's left in the pile?They should be made of leftovers and scraps and use the combination of EI and omni-tech to fill gaps in capability that would leave a normal mech on its ass.
>>98650799Why would you want to? It’s a MECH GAME people, the mechs are always going to dominate, you don’t go into a superhero game expecting Joe the Cop to be on the same level as Superman.
>>98653361I'm sorry your mom dropped you a few too many times, but go back to 40K and play with your marine-only army. The rest of us play more unconventional setups.
>>98653361Having every non mech be a jobber when they can mount equal or greater weapon payloads as mechs is retarded, they should have just left them out of the setting then.
>>98653411We, uh, gonna break out the time machine and fix that anon or do you have some other equally impossible magical solution to aerospace?
>>98653419We make lawndarting automatic with no piloting roll. And it's 2d6 elevations. And because ASF are rarer than mechs, you automatically lose the game if one dies regardless of other objectives.
>>98649562>However they're the protagonists of the setting.LolLmao
>>98653411The appeal of non-mechs is that they're cheap, disposable mooks for the mechs to destroy. You don't want EVERY fight to be a fight for your life, sometimes it's nice for the mech to show off how powerful it is by shredding people in conventional vehicles.
>lance Mechs marching towards you>have some hidden hetzers fire on them>Lance dead from a single volleyIts really not hard
>>98653690To reliably take out a single Mackie in a volley you'd need about 5 Hetzers which is gonna cost far more in BV than the Mackie would, and that's just for one Mackie
>>98653887Literally just roll snake eyes anon, its that easy.
>3rd star leauge and the wolves invading your planet>Wave a hatchet at them>they starting shitting and pissing themselves and runawayReally is that simple
>FWLM forces try to invade your world>Broadcast "Death to Marik! Long live Marik!">they imemdaitely start shooting each otherIt's just that easy
>>98651162Anni-chans for ALL!>>98651780>>98651797No LRM carriers?
>>98651264don't clanners wear full body star league style cooling suits?
>>98654060They wear full body fishnet stockings.
>>98654062Get your coomer fantasy shit out of the game. Every game shows them in sci fi armored flight suits.
>>98651405the question was more the numbers, which Forever Faithful confirmed. we'd debated The Dragon Roars and the missing numbers of warriors added up to easily a few clusters, but haters insisted that NOPE, the Jaguars were all dead except for ones and twos like the one that joined Randis.Turns out they were wrong and The Dragon Roars was right.Is that pic Mia from the MW5 campaign?
>>98654085I'm sorry you're finding out this way, but the thong iic is optional and the armored flight suit is non-canon.
>>98652620That is from 1988 you dumb fuck
>>98654085My mistake. Anyways my company of canopian catgirls that doubles as a polycule dress in full coverage synthetic leather suits for protection and heat resistance.Suprisingly the busty catgirls, tailored flight suits and neuro helmets with ear holes still cost me less than the Penthesilea.
>>98654086>Is that pic Mia from the MW5 campaign?No BBC down her throat, so probably not.
>>98654109wtf
What's better, cybernetic HtF (human to furry) surgically altered (furry affirming surgery) Canopian catgirls (male), or genetically engineered tube-grown Clan catgirls?
>>98654144>genetically engineered tube-grown Clan catgirlsProbably this, since they can't backtrack it with the excuse that the cybernetics and/or surgery ended up shortening their life spans.
>>98654144don't trueborn clanners only live to be like 35?
>In service to the Golden Keshik for a stunning twenty-two years, Bekker accounted for eighteen Trial victories against fourteen Clans, all over the Gladiator or its production site. Bekker died from a massive brain aneurysm in the middle of his nineteenth Trial against the Smoke Jaguars. Refusing to recognize that a natural malady would claim such a fierce warrior, the Jaguars honored Bekker’s legacy by including a small statue of him at their genetic repository, an unheard of recognition. i love it when the bad guy had a good guy moment
Man I hope the MW5 DLC has plenty of MW3 and MechCommander references and the final boss battle is Jayden's star, that would he hecking EPIC bros
>>98654184But did they count it as a win or redo the trial against someone else? Statues are cheap.
>>98654203>Statues are cheapnot in the klusterthey had to stage a trial of possession for the metals used in the statue, the laborers talented enough to actually make one (since making statues is un-Jaguarlike), the merchant-class artisan to design it (since the Jaguars shot all their merchants), and the first stage trials for the extra mechs to stage the later trials since their factories were struggling to meet OZ demandsso just to build that statue was easily a dozen smaller trials that cost the lives of a couple binaries of warriors from five different clans
>>98651490You know... for some reason I look at the Jupiter's loadout and I think Catapult IIC. Think about it, a pair of shoulder mounted LRM-15's... and PPC's for the Katapult reference, and then four weapons that do 5 damage each. Diogenes would call that a Catapult.
>>98654085>>98654085>>98654085nicholas karensky did not fight and die in his battle speedos with honor so that freeborn scum like you could question his ways
>>98654171That's a lifestyle choice.
>>98654171Elementals develop medical issues but aren't expected to live long enough for it to matter.
>>98654218God I love it when clanners are retarded
>>98654218>>98654340Imagine the trials when a Khan wants to renovate his office
>>98654235>Diogenes would call that a CatapultI think you took the wrong lesson from that story.
>>98654370>Plato: A CPLT Catapult is naught but a pair of LRM-15's or PPC's and 4 five point damage weapons!>Diogenes: [smashing his way through the symposium in a 100 ton Jupiter 1] BEHOLD! A CATAPULT!
>>98654235>>98654370>Plato once defined man as a "featherless biped." In response, Diogenes plucked a chicken and brought it into Plato's academy, announcing, "Behold! I have brought you Plato's man."what the fuck was his problem?
>>98654435He was a world class hater. Casuals just don't get it.
>>98652037It's coming along.
>finally reading the Gray Death series>get to Mercenary's Star>Grayson Carlyle hires two Chippewa pilots that turn out are a couple>the unit goes to Verthandi, and the male Chippewa pilot is killed>the female Chippewa pilot is captured>within weeks she's fucking a Drac officer even though they killed her boyfriendWhat the fuck
>>98654760Have you never met a woman?
>>98654353No worse than the trials needed when Loren wants a new porch.
>>98654760It's one of the best BT novels and generally considered one of the most realistic for a REASON, anon. Women have no loyalty and are biologically incapable of it. They are only ever exactly as loyal as their options allow, and a Drac base commander is much better option than a merc pilot who's probably dead anyway.
>>98654760Female survival instinct.That's why in any sane civilisation they are allowed outside house.
I like the Draconis Combine
>>98654954Your a fucking weeb and you will never be a woman
>>98655065>Your
is there a system that has the customization of classic but without the ugliness of the hex boards?
>>98654954they are pretty based
>>98655086Yeah, it's called "Miniature Rules" and has existed since 1988. Alpha Strike actually ganked them for their hexless play.
>>98655109thanks babe
>>98655109>>98655129Fags
>>98654543https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xynv9EoC3KM
>>98654246Why is John Mechwarrior fighting some ape-man out of a Conan book?
>>98654324And don't forget that if you mention that you are a bad person and are worse than Amaris.
>>98655339That's just what Lyrans look like
>>98654760France had an epidemic during WW2 of women fucking German occupiers who just conquered their country.
>What if we made the atlas but good?
>>98643134Someone didn't pay their phone bill.
>>98655520All lasers forwardGauss RifleDifficulty of making this refit during the height of the Star League: impossible
>>98655454That's unfair and prejudicial. French women will fuck anything, including Englishmen, Germans, dogs, and Algerians (going from most to least human, obviously), all so they can avoid fucking French """men""". It's not reasonable to blame them for that when the Germans were right there and accessible.
>>98655520Atlas II AS7-D-H2GRERPPCLRM20SRM62xMPL
>>98655086Yes. Classic without hex board.
Reading the Founding of the Clans trilogy and have come to the conclusion that Jennifer Winson might be the most batshit crazy bitch to ever grace the setting. KSD wishes she was on her level of psycho.
>>98656155Yes.The Clans were founded by a crazy person married to an even crazier person.
>>98656172She's responsible for at least half of Clan society's weirdness, fucked both the Kerensky brothers, faked her face and name multiple times, LARPed as Jerome Winson's sister, has no traceable past prior to the Exodus...she could have been a Krypteia plant in the SLDF and I'd buy it.
>>98655909Not clantech, so not good
>>98654086>Is that pic Mia from the MW5 campaign?Yes after she received a headpat
>>98656183It was also fucked up how they arranged the sabotage of certain Clans, like Fire Mandrill, right from the beginning to inevitably fail.
>>98655520AS7-RS?
>>98656216I suspect Nicky always planned to destroy a Clan pour encourager les autres and set up a couple to fail in case something didn't arise organically. The Ravens also seem intended to fail.
>>98656334>The Ravens also seem intended to failInterested what makes you think this, they seem to be doing pretty damn well for themselves at this point
>>98654060>>98654062Reminder that the Clans are supposed to be super lewd.
>>98656419Would ngl
whatever became of hassid ricol?
>>98656663Died in 3071 of health complications. A merciful end for what was later revealed to be a Black Dragon traitor.
Are there any good in depth resources for learning strategy and lance building?What's the meta like when people are trying to win?I'm not a sweat lord but it'd be nice to know how to avoid getting dumpstered before I spend time & money.
>>98650260I’ve always preferred flamers to machine guns. It bypasses ammonia considerations and allows you to easily start fires/create a smoke screen to cover an advance all in exchange for a little heat.
>>98657056Flamers and machine guns frankly have nothing on our lord and savior, the inferno SRM!
>>98657205Yeah. SRMs have better range and aren't dead weight when to facing conventional infantry (infernos also fuck over BA and vehicles, and you can just load them with regular ammo if you don't need infernos).
>>98657042https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESPJONodYdA
>>98657042>What's the meta like when people are trying to win?You’ll see lots of stuff like iJJ tarcomp pulse boats, energy zombies, etc. anything that the BV system doesn’t really track adequately. Specific picks are probably more dependent on personal preference at that point, there are a LOT of mechs that can do jumping pulse spam. I would resist the urge to bring these at all, or at the very least limit it to one unit in your force. To not get dumpstered though, you just need to figure out how to identify what makes a dogshit mech and then just *don’t* pick those mechs. Stuff that’s way too explosive, stuff that’s using MASC to go 5/8[10], stuff that’s got no clear game plan or weapons with conflicting range bands (fucking Shadow Hawk), stuff that’s super expensive but also fragile (Hellbringer/Loki). Everything else you can learn by doing, even if it’s just through Megamek just to get some reps in.
>>98657042>I'm not a sweat lord but it'd be nice to know how to avoid getting dumpstered before I spend time & money.Wrong mental approach. BT is not a WYSIWYG game to begin with. What matters is the record sheet, not the model. Also you should be playing games you'll enjoy even if the 2D6 fuck you over.
>>98652148>look this shit up>65 ton 6/9 omni with no armor and 15 tons of pod space Wow, its terrible!
>>98657264>stuff that’s using MASC to go 5/8[10]... wait what's wrong with that
>>98657523The BV formula will tax you for being able to hit a +4 TMM for moving 10 hexes since you can technically do that with MASC on. However, you can *only* get this when using MASC, moving in a straight line for your full movement, and without changing elevation, and even then you can’t get it every turn, because if you try then your legs will explode. The situations you can manage that are vanishingly slim, so you just pay more BV for a TMM you can’t ever reach.
>>98657523NTA, but you're only getting 2 more movement, and while it might push you over a TMM threshold if you have to make some turns and stop in the open, it's a lot less likely to than movement profiles which get you 3+ extra movement. A 6/9(12) or 7/11(14) just get a lot more out of it for the risk of critting yourself.That said, a couple of games ago I redlined a Jade Hawk by constantly triggering the supercharger while my TSM was going back and forth from 5/8(10) to 6/9(12) and it worked out.
>>98657348I get annoyed when someone is using some variant of something that's totally visually different from the model. Like a missile boat but the model is guns or vice versa.
>>98656405Their initial khans were complete opposites, they were the last Clan to be certified ready for Klondike, and they spent a lot of the early Clan days weak and puny.Obviously they succeeded, but they did it through politics and opportunism, which are not ways that Nicky imagined were paths to success.
>>98657862Would you prefer a counter? Honest question.
>>98656334>>98656216Nicky was probably going even further than that; the whole clan setup basically points to a Highlander situation with him ideally wanting everything to end up under his pet Wolves and then probably invade the Inner Sphere (but well, Large Laser to the face stopped that). So what happened with the Clan Homeworlds situation with it boiling down to just a few clans in a quest for 'purity' was inevitable (and behind the scenes, not that CGL has any intention on touching it, but I would fully imagine they didn't stop when the focus was taken off them and would have well just kept going down to one to then to a fucking apocalyptic shit mess of their own as that one then fell apart because that's just how their core ideology works when left to itself).
>>98654760To be absolutely fair, she blamed Grayson for getting her boyfriend killed more than the Dracs.
>>98658138The real reason we haven't heard back from the Clan Homeworlds is that the space chickens took over.
>>98658041No, but I would prefer a standee with ore accurate art. It's not the end of the world either way, but its annoying when a model clearly has a single giant gun and then someone is all "actually this is the 8 medium laser variant".
>>98658295You mean the HBK variant that changes how you fight it the least?
>>98653982You could bring LRM carriers, yeah, should've mentioned them, too.. You do have stuff to spot for indirect fire, at least. You could also split the difference for your city units and make them Strikers.
>>98657237The main reason to carry a flamer and not an SRM pack is mostly just fluff nowadays: MechWarriors are scared of the infernos blowing up, and you have a high chance of getting fragged if you use infernos and your mech is disabled or you eject.There are situations where you only have one ton to spare and pulse lasers don't exist yet, though. Then I just pop in a flamer.
>>98658041>>98657862The correct answer is to get CGL to stop making variants of standard Mechs that essentially treat them like OmniMechs where everything and anything is 100% swappable. Not as a formal MW5-style hard point system, mind, but simply as a *guideline* for internal Mech design. A Mech should almost always be generally recognized as what it is by its loadout and weapons layout. Combine that guideline with editorial control and review of designs before they make it to print, and the problem is solved without having to create new formal design rules that min-maxers will immediately and inevitably find ways to abuse anyway.To avoid the Crusader 8S, almost any step is reasonable, but it should be undertaken with foresight and tact, not with a sledgehammer.
>>98658489>To avoid the Crusader 8SI've driven that thing twice and it's both more hilarious and worse than the Jagermech DG. Also, nothing like a Crud should be. I get you.
>>98658507Forgot to mention. That shitheap of close combat and no armor actually has an IWM model.
>>98658507It’s hilarious to me that this mech is capable of killing itself in its own shooting phase. Assuming the Heavy Gauss knocks it on its ass, it could take all 7 damage to the right rear torso (which only has 6 armor) and crit the gauss to explode the mech the rest of the way. Unlikely, but entirely possible.
>>98658489That's been a problem since FASA, so good luck with that.
>>98657042Bring something that doesn't mind going first, bring about 1 8+ damage weapon per 1000BV and bring some crit seeking weapons like SRMs or LBXs to exploit the holes. As long as you keep those guidelines in mind bring the mecha you like.
>>98658489The customization rules in Campaign Ops do make it harder to replace one type of weapon with a completely different one (i.e. it's easier to replace a LRM15 with a SRM or a different size or LRM than with a laser or an autocannon) or to add a new weapon, which is probably something you should take into account when making variants. Doing something like replacing one autocannon with a PPC is still relatively simple, but replacing every weapon on a mech with a different type of weapon would be a lot of extra work over modifying a mech that already had the right type of weapons.There's also the somewhat nebulous concept of the "feel" of a mech. Like replacing the Marauder's autocannon with a large laser or a PPC doesn't make the mech not feel like a Marauder, since having a big dorsal gun is more integral to the identity of the Marauder than the exact type of gun it has. But if you replaced it with a LRM, it would feel off. Those kinds of more radical departures from the standard identity of the mech usually only work if they end up becoming a distinct sub-family of designs. Like if the Katapult was just a one-off weirdo it would feel off, but since it's gotten multiple upgrades of its own over the years it feels like its own distinct line of Catapults that are different from the stock one but have their own identity. Meanwhile that one Catapult with plasma rifles does just feel off.
>>98657042Ignoring sweaty stuff like IJJ CLPL targeting computer mechs the main thing that's really bad are all AC/2 variants (excepting perhaps light AC/2s), regular AC/5s, HVAC/5s, and HVAC/10s. Beyond that in general you only want ballistic weapons in heavier mechs when you start running out of space and engine heat sinks because ballistic weapons both rely on explosive ammo or can explode themselves, have limited ammo, and tend to take up more space and weight than energy weapons. Of course when you reach the point of being heat neutral and run out of engine sinks an ERPPC takes up 18 crit space and 15 tons to be heat neutral while a gauss rifle 8 crit space and 13 tons to be heat neutral.
>>98657242do a lot of people ignore the lance / star limit? those guys dont give a fuck.
>>98658973>main thing that's really bad are all AC/2 variants (excepting perhaps light AC/2s), regular AC/5sBOO!!!
>>98659043AC/2s are good in Mechwarrior, not Battletech. Even then they're only good when you're quadwielding them.
>>98659077AC/2's are godly for pilboxing tanks and dropping VTOL's from the sky. A lot of weapons only really come into their own when you have all unit types on the field.The Vulcan 2T is a particularly delectable warcrime wagon in the right environment, but considered absolute trash in a pure mech fight.
>>98648888>oversinked Really comes in handy when you are either fighting on "Volcanoworld666" or your neighbor happens to be the Taurians, who's patented defensive strategy is "give everyone who can hold and fire a SRM launcher loaded with infernos".
>>98649170You run up to it and kick first. Or land a PPC hit.
>>98656714what did the Black Dragon Society want?to destroy the Combine?
>>98659183They wanted Teddy to not act retarded.>Hey, this new army and tactic stuff works. Depose your father and become the Dragon!>No.>Fuck. But, the Hogs that stayed loyal to you after 3034 will get rewarded for our obedience, right?>No. I'm putting my slut 5P ninja wife in charge of that.>Well, you'll at least try to take back some of our territory in the 2nd SL?>Hogs? Fuck you. In the DA/ilClan it's:>So, is the Dragon actually gonna take advantage of the Blackout to expand the realm?>No. The Dracs are honorable Stoner cocksuckers. Have you seen the new Spider?>But then everyone else will move in.>Too bad. Here's your heir that has genetic issues and dies trying to breach the Wall.>Okay, time to replace this fucker with the Sakamoto whore.
>>98659183A retvrn to traditional drac valuesi.e No teddy reforms, no mercenaries, no forced nova cat integrations
>>98659239but didn't they oppose the reforms?
>>98659262Not until Teddy refused to ascend the throne. They swapped back to the old ways after Teddy fucked them and had the obvious ones killed as traitors at the end of the War of 3039.
>>98659274I can kinda see why he opposed them then.They had no integrity and clearly just wanted to ride his coattails into power. They're unreliable graspers, no wonder he killed them.
>>98659293It's old school fuedal politics. When someone supports you, they expect a reward. Denying them that breaks the contract. Teddy was too retarded to understand that. He was acting like he was prince of the Suns or some shit.
>>98659183To never change anything ever. The coordinator should have absolute authority, but never use that authority to alter the combine or how it works.
>>98659100>AC/2's are godly for pilboxing tanks and dropping VTOL's from the sky.You're saying that like there aren't a million weapons which can accomplish the same thing for less weight while being more generally useful. Also I'd say that for beginners calling AC/2s trash is fine advice. Most beginners aren't going to jump in with tanks, infantry, and aircraft and tac ops rules.
>Snord isn't a Goliath Scorpion bloodname
>>98659311>When someone supports you, they expect a reward. Denying them that breaks the contract. Teddy was too retarded to understand that.Duty is its own reward, these weren't Ghost regiments where such an expectation is part and parcel with the terms of their accord. Teddy acted as was proper, they were too retarded to see that acting like gangsters was a path to disgrace.
>>98659584>O5P posted this.hpg
>>98658954A MadCat that doesn't have those 2 big beautiful missile boxes on its shoulders just looks wrong.
>>98659609Timby is a handsome lad
>>98659536Nope woofs gotta have everything cool.>no Mason Diamond Shark BNTurns out Grandaddy Mason was a fucking blood named warrior who retired to live the merchant high life, so Jake Mason is pretty much proving that the clan genetics program is working after all.
>>98659599He's not wrong. The Black Dragon Society didn't help Teddy in any meaningful way, they weren't owed anything.
>>98659406An AC/2 does as much damage as a MG but has tremendously range and weights 6.5 tons more than it. Is it worth it? No! So let's theory craft for a moment.I like to compare every weapon to the Medium Laser, like every other Battletech player. So the AC/2 has range and heat over the ML, but looses out on damage, weight, and ammo. We're not going to mess with the damage, because it wouldn't be an AC/2 if it didn't do 2 damage and it has to have ammo because otherwise it's not an AC. So we have to change its weight.Let's say at some point in a later era, a reduced weight AC/2 gets made. We can call it the RWAC/2. How much lighter does it need to be to suddenly be worthwhile? To become too powerful?You are here >6 tons>5 tons>4 tons>3 tons>2 tons>1 ton5 tons feels like it wouldn't make a meaningful change at all. On the other side, 1 ton feels too good. That would mean a single AC/2 would weigh as much as 2 MGs. So those two options are out.4 tons; we've made it so the RWAC/2 isn't painful, but I think it would still be viewed as very mediocre. When compared to a LL, it's got better range and heat, but doesn't do anywhere close to comparable damage.3 tons; now we're talking. Feels like it's now something to just honestly consider, but not ripe for abuse.2 tons; I'm thinking this might be going too far. Feels like such extreme range shouldn't come that cheap.
>>98659536>wylie isn't a coyote bloodname
>Wakanda isn't a Smoke Jaguar bloodname
Holy crap. The MUL now has a button that just shows you the Record Sheet for you to use. Okay, that settles it. New MUL is officially better than the old MUL.
>>98659675>those noodle armsMWO/5 art utterly MOGS everything else.>pic Why the technician caste fucking hates warriors.
>>98659703Just bump it to a 5. >AC5>AC8>AC12>AC20It just werks.
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>>98659721>scientist caste>my khan why must we research how to turn the entire frame of a mech into CASE isn't the current CASE acceptable quineg?>normally aff scientist, but when warriors do SHIT LIKE THIS it tends to destroy good mechs >a-aff my khan we will research how to make CASE into everything
>>98659727You know what? I kind of like that.
>>98659703There is a reduced weight it's called the LAC or light auto cannon.Yes it loses some range but also it can load any kind of ammo unlike an LB or ultra.
>>98659721The new art is mostly better, but I still feel like the arms on most Clan mechs look kind of awkward. Still lots of weird angles and/or being so tiny you wonder why they bother having arms at all instead of going full Rifleman like some of the newer Madcats did.
>>98659736I love how the Japanese know how to scale mechs properly, fucking PGI/CGL makes most mechs nearly x3/4 times the size they should be, for fucks sake you can park multiple vehicles into most assault mech cockpits. >my king crab mobile apartment
Well that's something I didn't know
>>98659311nta but I'd get it if Teddy was still politically opposed to his father, but after 3039 Takashi pretty much sat back and gave Teddy control to modernize the Combine, ascending the throne through force really wasn't necessary.I do agree he fucked up with FRR though, the Ronin Wars were a waste of time and resources only made up by Comstar's blatant bribe of mechs. Teddy could've tried to ease tensions by pulling BDs to the side and telling them the FRR was ultimately just a temporary measure.The Separatist Hogs weren't even really the majority of the region, it took wiping out the Ronin, propping up Kungarme hard, and grooming the right nobility, and then a GB takeover to turn it into a functioning state without Dracs carrying them.
Fuck Paradox?
>>98659821
Painted a lance for my pirates, it staeted with named pilot 'the blue witch'. I liked how her Javelin turned out and made her some firends. It kinda sucks that ilklan era dont have pirate kingdoms.
>>98659821I wouldn't do it with clanners, but that's an idea I've thought about a lot. I would have the player be a solo merc on a shitty near periphery world fracturing under the weight of a strongman/pirate "government" and IS corpo-spook interests. I would make it a lot less about grinding your way up to a hangar full of mad cats and king crabs and more about the unfolding events and what you're going to do about them.
>>98659839It may not have pirate kingdoms, but given how fucked state militarys are, and the thin line between mercenary and pirate at this point with how fucked the regulating is, it's a good time to go pillaging under one flag then maybe sell yourself under another.
>>98659839Tortuga is still right where they left it, and Herotitus is currently being Heart of Darkness'd.
i like Clan Wolf
What by Blake's blood did they do to masterunitlist?
Guys who worked on the MUL, I know you lurk here. We all know it. Now listen, the new MUL is great. I'm actually really enjoy its loadout. But please do some proofreading and learn what a century is.We do not have a turn of the century in the middle of a century. Likewise we do not have a century coming to a close at the start of the century.
>>98659736All the scale is good except for the LRMs. Not fitting 240 of them in there bud.
>>98659813>I do agree he fucked up with FRR thoughIn hindsight, perhaps, but at the time it was the right call.
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>>98659966it's unusable
>>98659995Less the call itself, I agree it made sense at the time, and more how to respond to the people against it.
>>98659985Access to Hammerspace is an Omnitech perk
>>98660084Hammerspace was actually one of the very few star league technologies that didn't become lostech
>>98660092All you have to do is divide by the negative cubed root of a star league ton and dimensional math stops being a problem. That's why everything is measured in tons and not volume. It doesn't matter if a space is square or rectangular or a thin little tube. The only part that matters is what star league math says it is.
>>98660092You can see the inside of the AC20 is actually a beehive of very small barrels. It's a rapid fire micro munition type of AC.
>>98660107Fuck the volume, how the fuck does ammo go from component to component, they must have a ultra compact kf drive in every mech.
>>98643294What is with those outposts at the extreme ends of the known universe? Scientific research enclaves? Extremely alien biomes being studied and documented? Military listening posts who listen for outdated data? So.e of them look to be at least a year out of the Inner Sphere, and I doubt they have the resources and minds the Clans took with them in the Exodus.
>>98660229A lot of them were one offs for extreme deep space expeditions that never bothered to clean up their mess. Some are extreme isolationists or very paranoid refugees who just picked a direction and went until they couldn't go no more. Some were founded by control freak cult leader types who really didn't want "the government" (whoever that may be at any given moment) from interrupting their ascent to god-kinghood.
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>>98660003lmao, I'm a wolf fan and I blame the cartoon. I loved the show and got MW2, so as a kiddo all I knew green burd = bad, ergo wolf good. Yeah they are plot armored and not my fav overall faction but still my fav clan, I like og GS tho, jags are hilarious, but I've always been more an IS guy.
>>98660229
>>98660249>I'm a wolf fan and I blame the cartoonThat fucking cartoon has done more damage to setting knowledge than a dozen Loren Colemans, but Green Bird is truly bad.
>>98659536Snord is explicitly a Wolf by birth.
>>98659746It's what the computer game does
>>98660258Jesus, they just really ripped off Catalyst didn't they?
>>98660266lol, I've been playing TT since I started on that show, so gosh almost 30 years. I don't get mad at memes, I know CW has plot armor. I buy minis and play TT irl. Hate me if you want.
>>98660408A. Catalyst didn't invent spherical spacecraft. Neither did FASAB. that painting is from 1977
>>986604541994 was more than 30 years ago bro. I feel it too.>tfw was a series bro, Mechwarrior player, and book reader from 1994 but only started playing the tabletop since 2004Being a /tg/ guy was so different in the pre-internet days.
>>98660598>Being a /tg/ guy was so different in the pre-internet days.Everything was. Some ways better, some ways worse.
I made the last two threads. I'm not doing another.
>>98660656But these past two threads have been based, you have a superlative talent you ought not squander
>>98660656If I have to do it, it's going to have some dumb shit in the OP.
>>98660598eh you know what, btg forums suck.I love this IP, if treads suck ignore.reddit is cancer. BT forums are too.I'll play with local friends buy minis and love the game.
