Barbarian = fighter from a foreign culture
>>98651334This was drawn by a gay bara artist.>quick googling Yep, I was right. "Chen's art".Interesting how you can immediately tell even when he draws them completely clothed.
>>98651334The term for the specific actual fighting style you're alluding to is "berserker". "Barbarian" is a foreign culture, yes, but what you're doing is the equivalent of calling all Americans school shooters. Sure some are, but they're a vanishingly small fraction of the society. Lots of Americans go to work, overdose on fent or die from of healthcare. They aren't all school shooters.Ok. So. To recap. Berserker is a fighting style, it's a very specific socio-cultural warrior ethos and was not common even in their home culture. Barbarian is just any foreign culture / ethnic group generally.
>>98651365Barbarian specifically refers to non-Greek and non-Latin speakers, because their tongue sounded like "bar bar".
Fuck, >>98651829 was meant for >>98651654.
Barbarian = Fighter for uncivilized culture that lives in mudhutts
Behold, a barbarian.
>>98651834That explains it, for a while I was wondering why etymology would explain OP posting gay smut.
>>98651856Well, the ancient Greeks were pretty gay, let's be honest.
>>98651334that's not how an inner thigh looks on a lean man, for fuck's sakeit's like some obese gay or woman drew that
>>98651956Niqqa, that's pretty blatantly not a lean man
>>98651996The chest and abdomen screams “>15% body fat”
>>98651334Barbarian is a warrior who can't afford armorthey level as Fighters when they've acquired metal armorKnights when they have plate armor
I always saw it as technique/style based. Like a fighter is by definition not just a warrior but a warrior with structured training and upbringing, like the difference you expect between a military soldier and a self taught street fighter.
>>98651334You just wanted to post gay porn. So where's the rest???>>98651365>asian potato queen chasing white fat ugly bastardsBased>>98652167Its archetypeal. The class is conan, so you're a "the barbarian" as long as you are within that classification
>>98651365ArmpitsThe industry standard is waxed smooth hairless men with maybe a tuft of chest hair. Anyone who takes the time to do armpit hair is doing it because they like men.
>>98652467>Its archetypeal. The class is conan, so you're a "the barbarian" as long as you are within that classificationConan was never a "berserker" which a 3.X and onward "Barbarian" is. The 1e Barbarian which is very distrustful of magic (getting XP bonuses for destroying magic items) is closer to what Conan was.
>>98651829>>98651834Ok? Did you intend that just to add a little historical color? Because it doesn't seem to conflict at all with what the intended targeted comment said.
>>98651840its more convincing in other paintings
>>98652725Yeah, im not sure where the overlap came from. Maybe someone more into the genre knows about early conan immitators or parodies that led to the bezerker association, or maybe it's just visual similarity, but it is what it is
>>98651365waow (based based based based based based based based)
>>98651840They sit on the floor like swine.
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>>98651365So only gay men in these woman-centric days can draw real manly men?
>>98652924Tranny artist who fetishizes lesbians.
>>98653302Inconclusive.Current odds are like 70:30 in favor of mentally unstable biofem.
>>98653175No, everyone can draw "real men", it's just that when bara artists do it, you can usually tell they're gay.
>>98652029So it's the equivalent of a thin woman with huge natural boobs.
>>98653302But enough about you.
>>98653175Its variable and fujos are much better now than they were a decade ago, but as a general rule the best gay porn is still made by men
>>98653175It's a woman, but congrats on being so gaypilled you'd assume that
>>98651829"barbar" is actually sanskrit for "stuttering" or something like that. the term came to the greeks through pie like most of the greek language.
>>98652822To be fair I remember seeing a post somewhere (here? Some old forum?) where the guy was playing a 'younger son' noble out to make his fortune, but used a barbarian template because he was a hothead and lost his shit in stressful (ie combat) situations, so it's not a completely outlandish idea.
>>98652167>>98652842I think the association was first made in Dragon #133. It lays out Berserkers as a class, but also repeatedly mentions how they're related to Barbarians. As well as quite a bit of overlap in terms of abilities. Looking between 1e and 2e the more consistent throughline seems to be a preference for less armor.
>>98655287Interesting! So what did barbarian originally have if beserker added all this stuff that would now be classic parts of the kit?
>>98655931>So what did barbarian originally have1d12 hp per level?
>>98651334>Barbarian = fighter from a foreign cultureyes and the "barbarian" class is a distorted berserker class.
>>98651829even today some greeks say 'Μπαρμπούτσαλα' which is barbutsala (saying foolish things that have no meaning or are stupid) or they can say 'barbarbar shutup tell my mother-in-law to shut up, she makes no sense'.
>>98653818Yes, you can even play the barbarian "rage" as a martial trance instead of uncontrolled fury, and apply it to characters you'd call a fighter at first glance. It's mechanically the same, but more flavourful. I use that often
>>98655931>>98655955The Unearthed Arcana Barbarian had:>1d12 hp plus double the Fighter's Con bonus to hp per level up until level 9 when they get 4 hp per level thereafter. >Double the Dex bonus to AC when using non-bulky armors (basically made Studded Leather Armor the equivalent to Plate Mail for a barbarian with 18 Dex)>The ability to bypass "+X weapon needed to hit" based on level>Bonuses to Saves >A bunch of outdoors survival skills and the ability to detect magic/illusions>XP for destroying magic itemsIt also came with a bunch of restrictions on magic.>No Clerics in the party with 1st level Barbarians>No Magic-Users in the party, but could work with them if necessary starting at level 6 and occasionally starting at level 8>Magic item types were level locked such that they couldn't use potion until level 3, magic weapons until level 4, magic armor until level 5 and misc fighter magic items until level 10The Barbarian's XP requirements were also pretty extreme if they were not regularly destroying magic items. It requires the same XP to get a barbarian to level 14 as was needed to get a Fighter to 20. A Paladin was working on level 4 before a Barbarian reached level 2.
>>98658488God, the game fucking SUCKED in those days.
>>98651334If the "Barbarian" was less some retard in a loincloth and more about what causes them to rage then they can better stand as their own thing without being hamstrung to a particular type of character.
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>>98651365Fpbp
>>98651365>completely clothed.
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>>98652029Did you mean "<15% body fat"? Because you indicated an amount greater than 15%, which could be anywhere from 16% to 100%.
>>98653302>even thirsty weebs are trannies nowcan't have nothing in this world.
>>98653175Always been this way. Frazettta was a bottom.
>>98669951Tom of Finland is true art
>>98669951Frazetta was a service top because he was a hedonist. He liked his bitch sticking a finger in his ass while he was getting blown because the prostate stimulation made him cum harder, and being ridden cowgirl because he liked to watch women. He was a gynophile through and through.Look at the way he depicted male bodies compared to how he depicted females. The males are always bestial or grotesque in an unflattering manner. Their figure is always imperfect, and the erotic zones always obscured intentionally to deflect visual interest. That's not at all how his female figures are depicted. Females in Frazetta's art are always eroticized, their figure is always the center of attention and their erogenous zones are very boldly presented for a presumed male gaze.Exhibit A: the iconic Princess Of Mars. Notice how the male figure is almost entirely obscured by the female figure in front of him in combination with costume and deep shadows from harsh lighting. Only about a third of his form is even actually visible, and even his nipples are obscured. Meanwhile, the female figure is literally concealing him behind her, while her costume and jewelry are literally sculpted to depict the female anatomy they are supposed to be clothing. Those pasties are literally shaped like puffy nipples. The panty is decorated as a literal pubic bush. She is lit directly with a flattering angle to provide surface detail. The other forms in the image are masculine-gendered monsters. The heap of mounded bulges in the lower center foreground is a tangled mass of hideous features even while deliberately symbolizing masculine physique. The beast in the background is a hulk of ungarnished animal while also symbolizing masculinity in the underslung jaw and bulk.All the masculine figures are either beast, monster or heroic-as-supporting-secondary-structure in service to the female figure.So maybe you could make the case he was a bottom, but I think service top fits better.
>>98653320Gay is when men are allowed to be attractive is my favorite flavor of internalized toxic masculinity.
>>98651334always has been (including your own sheep shagging hillbillies, so not necessarily a foreign culture).
