Daughter & Family edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-august-10-2026>NewsThe Pro Tour and Magic Spotlight Series in 2026:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-pro-tour-and-magic-spotlight-series-in-2026Metagame Mentor: The Final Four Standard Regional Championships of Early 2026:https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-final-four-standard-regional-championships-of-early-2026>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>98681668>TQWho is your favorite father?
>>98686610>dem stumps in the backgroundGosh lady how much lumber could you even need?
what the fuck is this dogshit slop
This set genuinely, seriously, absolutely fucking sucks.It's not just that every single character's "alternate form" is the lamest most lazy bottom of the barrel zero-effort thematic swap without even an ounce of creativity.All the mechanics are maximally generic and almost all of them have already appeared in sets within the last year. The art is hideous and generic.This shit is TRASH man. All I wanted was weird colorshifted effects and instead I got "lol she cuts trees down now, geddit?" ho ly FUCK
Remember when this was a $20 card? I remember
>>98686618What is the practical application in the modern game of a creature who gives your lands hexproof?
>>98686664There are too many sets within the last year for almost all of them not to have already appeared in sets within the last year.
>>98686707Earth bending in the recent Avatar set and other animated/ creature lands
>>98686602I HATE EMPOWER FAGGOTS SO FUCKING MUCH!!! WORST MECHANIC EVER!!!
>>98686649>sloppigs eat slop, anon
Darklight Phoenix will eat a ban in Modern
>>98686711Sure it's advantageous in those scenarios, but I struggle to see when it would be enough to make you want to put the creature in a deck in constructed or even limited (except just as a 2 cost 3/2 filler).Maybe I'm assessing the card wrong though, I suppose the real value is meant to be the second bit that lets you repeatedly reuse fetch lands.
>>98686707stone rain?
SEXOOOO SEXOOOO SEXOOO WITH WITCH SEXOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
>>98686795This feels blue. Why isn't it blue?
It still pisses me off that vigilance is blue now. They just love shitting all over white huh.
>>98686806Black is honorary blue.
>>98686806Because it can search for any creature card. It used to be a red effect but I think Mark said it's no longer in pie.
>>98686806Black tutors any card.
>>98686610>>98686618Need an edit of red Marwyn that gives her a loaf of Wonderbread.
Why UB crew is so against this set? Is the most Cummander coded shit we have ever get
>>98687234More than Marvel?
>Another artist caught stealing shitpfft!
>>98687256Which one this time?
>>98687257Volkan Baga apparently, which I refuse to believe.
>>98687256every artist copies and steals though
>>98687256Art is about copy reality.
>>98687271Disingenuous way to describe referencing, when tracing is expressly the taboo method
>>98687304Tons of shit got ray traced and nobody gives shit about it.
Supposedly
>>98687312Brock Lesnar wannabe.
>>98687331he just googled two pupil and copied one of the first resultsall the dimensions between the pupils are pretty much the same, even kept the blue makeup but made it more elaborate than just eyelinerevery artists steals and then bitches and moans when their "original art" is copied
>>98687385There's only so many ways you can do a double pupil, anon.
>>98687385>he just googled two pupil and copied one of the first resultsArtists use references. It's extremely common in the art world to use a projector to put an image on your canvas to follow.
>>98686748Eh, it is a lot harder to enable than Arclight.
>>98687256Its more like "another artist's attempt at eating one of their own for some reason". Baga isn't retarded.
These are the ads I get on Facebook....
>facebook
So now that 99.99% of the set is revealed...anything looking decent? Darklight Phoenix seems ok, Proft (forma de sicko) is a great enabler for lots of stuff, Carniverous Cultivator might not make the cut in Modern but its close...I'm not seeing much else.Perfected Theory or Twinned Vision nonsense, maybe?
Why the fuck is the "normal" version a different creature type now???
>>98687312That's probably moreso what's called an intentional reference. The bottom part is pretty similar (but you can tell it's not the same, likely just referenced) but the top part only looks alike, its composition is fairly different.
Anyway here's the Samuts. Blue one is probably gonna make people go nuts but not actually be THAT good.
>>98687522Why is the blue one much more attractive?
>>98687522Gonna be annoying as fuck. Also who the fuck was dying for more "samut"
I don't know why Jace thinks his friends would be cooler if they were fascists, but it seems to be a theme for him.
>>98687522Regular art, too. I know Samut's thing is 'go fast' but it is funny how she's always in an awkward action pose.
>>98687394>an artist uses someone elses photo without permission for referenceThats just how art is made!>AI does the same thingTHEFT THEFT THEEEEEEEEFT I NEED MY ANTI-ANXIETY SQUISHY TOY THEEEEEEEEEFT
>>98687519Also worth noting she's not saying Volkan plagiarised it, just he copied it without understanding because Breach is very Phyrexia/Realmbreaker-themed, whereas Jace doesn't have that going on.
>>98687541Well thats how you can keep track of le good guys or le bad guys, reddit-sama
>>98687492Pioneer Scales.
>>98687522>>98687544I'm glad this chick lost her sparkI forgot how obnoxious and angry she was all the time
>>98687541>i'm not going to see buddhist death squads rounding up the trannies for death on tarkirWhy the fuck do i play this game
>>98687547That's right.
>>98687551except when the evil twins from other dimensions have mustaches
>>98687544>Razaketh conquered Naktamun>Samut would then be his henchwoman>not named Razaketh's Champion or some shit>not even black Should've been a layup
>>98687544There's been exactly one artwork of Samut where she didn't look terrible.
>>98687577In Garruk's case it went the other way. His black version loses the full beard.
>>98687581I think she looks good in Aftermath.
>>98686896I was waiting for this post and by God, anon delivered
>>98687593you are wrong, but that's alrightwe love you nonetheless, anon
Is there anything wrong with this besides >Start your engines!?
>>98687560Mtg has moved on permanently from tarkir. It's exclusively a dragon plane now.
>>98687615even if she's supposed to be from not!Egypt, she's still blackan ugly black chick that runs really fast and looks like she's constipated all the timenice representation
>>98687452Those ads are based on your history, cache, and cookies, Anon.
>>98687685Why does Rescue Girl have no nose?
>>98687675I know, you go to Scryfall once and this is my timeline....Also, every week I see some essay post sob story from some local game store in some random corner of the country about being rob overnight. Kinda funny, I think it's something that happens dailymost card shops are easy targets I guess
>>98687699she has the selesnya symbol painted on her face
>>98687752Am i an idiot, if Tam got the spark, why isnt she a planeswalker card
>>98687764Because Jace is not really dead.
>>98687685>Be careful talking about Massacre Girl. She's a dangerous subject, especially if she hears someone talking.>Ravnica's foremost murderer has a rap sheet longer than a sphinx's wingspan. She considers laws a checklist and morality a rather boring suggestion. Even other Rakdos consider her an innovator when it comes to killing.>No one knows this better than the former guild leader Judith—who's currently learning the many ways skin can be separated from a body.>Explosions, fires, earthquakes—whenever danger comes for Ravnica, Rescue Girl is there! Her unmatched acrobatics let her climb the city's many spires in the blink of an eye. And despite what others might theorize, there's no magic involved. Rescue Girl is all skill.>Well, except for the healing. That's magical.>As Selesnya's preeminent hero, Rescue Girl has inspired first responders all over Ravnica. While she encourages everyone to do their best, the Selesnya Enclave has had to issue formal reminders not to mimic her high-flying acrobatics.
>>98687752>>98687752>A master of psychic powers, illusions, and duplication, Jace is building a new reality, plane by plane. Using the magic of the Meditation Realm, Jace learned how to transform an illusion into something real. He's created a reality without Phyrexians, never beset by Eldrazi, and free from the machinations of Nicol Bolas. Genuinely believing himself to be the Multiverse's "savior," Jace is optimistic he can make a difference, make a utopia. Jace is an intelligent, determined, and powerful wizard—one who has poured a great deal of himself into the creation of his Echoverse.>Tamira, or Tam to her friends, is on her way to figuring out who she is and who she wants to be. Created by Jace Beleren, Tam has dutifully followed and learned from her teacher. She has been his spy and agent in the Multiverse to gather the final pieces needed to stabilize the new reality. But meeting other students from Strixhaven has left her with doubts. She's still his creation, still a part of his grand project, though she's beginning to question his methods.
>>98687764do you really care?
>>98686667I genuinely do not. When was this?Most cards are locked in my head as the price I remember them being and therefore 'should' be (There was an 8 dollar Demonic Tutor that I think was probably MP and Academy Rector was 10 bucks at my LGS back when I was in undergrad and those are to this day the prices I believe those cards 'ought' to be) and BoP is locked in as a 5-8 dollar card. This was probably around M12-RTR era.
>Saheeli Rai has seen the many colors of dawn across many different skies and been inspired to create new works from all of them. Losing her Planeswalker spark hasn't slowed her down in the least.>A master inventor with a brilliant, unrelenting mind, Saheeli has returned to Avishkar after a stay in Ixalan with her beloved, Huatli. She's brought with her a bevy of fresh inspiration.>The dinosaur thopters roaming Avishkar are some of her favorite creations. Originally made to fend off the Phyrexian Invasion, they remind her every day of what the union of poetry and science can bring.>Saheeli Rai can account for every last drop of aether on Avishkar.>As consul of oversight, Saheeli surveys all of Avishkar via a complex network of thopter spies. Some avoid thopters altogether to try and hide from her prying eyes, but the truth is that her network extends even further. Trusted automatons, commercial vehicles, even the cherished family tea kettle can all report back to her in one way or another. Precise, all-consuming, detailed—Saheeli's surveillance is comprehensive.>Some say she missed her calling in the arts given the intricate designs of her most famous works. As she watches over Avishkar from her secret chambers, Saheeli never longs for beauty. There's plenty to be found in other people's lives.
>>98687752Anon, why are you posting this, it's literally in the OP
>>98687796so Echo Saheeli is basically Jeff Bezos?
>>98687593I hate that this card is expensive as fuck and hard to buy due to low stock. It isn't great, but it is useful.
>>98687522Yeah, the irony here is that the red one is actually the much better card but people will lose their minds over the blue one.
Anti UB crowd, how are you feeling about the last set of 2026? The year as a whole?
>>98687827If FRA is what WotC consider a "good" universes within set then I'm not too excited about 2027/2028.
>>98687830Why?
>>98687779>She considers laws a checklist and morality a rather boring suggestion.it's canon that Massacre Girl raped someone to death and used racial slurs I wonder if there's a slur for vedalkens
>>98687823>>98687522I would be interested to hear why you think the blue one isn't as good as it looks and why the red one is very good.At a baseline, Split Second means 'your spells can't be countered'. It's been a while but the best comparisons are Lier (5cmc), Gaea's Herald (only creatures), and Vexing Susher (costs mana each time). This makes Samut pretty great on rate, especially looking at how Split Second also just makes your interactive spells much better as well.Looking through haste enablers I'll concede that (red) Samut is probably the best rate so far while also being a creature but I don't think it's THAT much of an upgrade to something like Goro-Goro or Crashing Drawbridge. And obviously Anger is better but is difficult to draw direct comparisons to.I don't think either card is bad but I think Split Second is a really powerful effect and 2 mana for it is very cheap. I'd place it a 1UU or 3U personally.
Friendly reminder pic or even cheap wooden wine case is infinitely better as deck box than whatever ugly overpriced plastic gear is marketed towards magic players.
>>98687796see?there's a white villainobviously your capable of it rosewaterand i'm supposed to believe lord konda was an unsuccessful one off?get your hands of your dick and do some actual plot development
>>98687842>vedalkenscoldskin, blue-face, calculator, joyless..."they require proof of humor""stranger to laughter""someone explained happiness to them once""familiar with the concept of amusement”“emotionally theoretical""knows the definition of laughter""one of our more measured citizens"I wish I could be isekai'd as a vedalken
>>98687862Remind me what format counterspells are good in again? Legacy / Vintage...and that's it. The blue Samut will be a one-of in some sideboards. People are losing their shit over this and counterspells just aren't as commonplace as people think even in casual games. Good work that two untapped islands still live 1000% rent free in the average player's mind for over 30 fucking years, WotC.
>>98687915heh, nice ones
>>98687764Because it's Tam before she got the spark, that's the ending of the story.
>>98687917Also, you can't play this in decks that need to respond to their own spells or cast several spells in succession since split second affects your actions, too. The card is good and has some use cases, but it isn't HOLY FUCK SECOND COMING OF URZA good.
I really hate landfall. What a gay fag concept.
>>98687977run zo-zu and tunnel ignus
>>98687977run polluted bonds, shattered angel, nightshade harvester, sire of stagnation
>>98687544So Amonkhet was going through an ice age in the Echoverse?
>>98687535she has a fringe
>>98688051Razaketh defeated the gods and conquered Naktamun and there may have been some wacky consequences from that.
>>98687827I've yet to spend a single penny on anything released this year
>>98687635Weird I thought all the best cards from Tarkir were red prowess cards.
>>98688081Dragonstorm?
>>98687917I'm going to assume you are too much of a pleb to play cube but that's fine. What other formats are you considering, Standard? Modern? Remind me where a 2/2 haste that gives other creatures haste is playable because RDW hasn't been a viable deck anywhere in a long time.
>>98688108>RDW hasn't been a viable deck anywhere in a long time.Oi fuck off>dabs my tears with a lightning bolt
>>98687977>Oy vey let’s print a mechanic with zero counter play and the earthbended lands come back from anywhere that trigger landfall and also here’s a creature with Ramunup attached that also self mills to get even more lands Fucking kikes
>>98687879>Friendly reminder pic or even cheap wooden wine case is infinitely better as deck box than whatever ugly overpriced plastic gear is marketed towards magic players.WRONGWood has lignin. It will literally melt your cards if you store them in wood for long periods. Use gaylord.com if you want actual, proper archival-quality storage.
>>98687949>you can't play this in decks that need to respond to their own spells or cast several spells in successionYou can use this in decks that need to cast several spells in succession because you as the active player still have priority immediately after your spell resolves. I genuinely cannot think of decks that require you to cast multiple spells on the stack other than Living End or other cascade decks and that's like saying 'RIP isn't very good because playing it in your own dredge deck is a nonbo'. I thought about LED and related shenanigens with stuff like Infernal Tutor but I don't think that's been a real deck in a long time and I'm pretty sure it actually doesn't matter because you are allowed to activate mana abilities 'in response' to Split Second and LED is still a mana ability.I'm genuinely curious, what decks does your own instants/sorceries having split second interfere with? It works through Storm because those are copies. Are there any decks that care about Reverberate/Narset's Reversal? Is Tibalt's Trickery still a thing anywhere?
>>98688096Well I'm not seeing Marang River Regent being played in Modern after being banned in Standard and Pioneer.
>>98687862Blue one's best usage is as really bad Voice of Victory (an already middling card) because even in Legacy it's very rare you get into a stack war and the card itself is a removal magnet.
>>98688161Anon, the point you're making is irrelevant to mine.
>>98688142WGD combo gets hosed
Where the hell are all the spoilers today, did wizards just fall asleep
>>98688137Ankh of Mishra
>>98688108100% guarantee the red one sees more play than the blue one. Again, the blue one absolutely has some good use cases but it isn't nearly as relevant or universal as people are hyping it up to be. It is certainly better than Hexing Squelcher but that isn't really saying much.
>>98688190>All the pushed cards in a set are prowess monk enablers>D-Dragon plane!>Killed all the important dragons offscreen and replaced them with spirit advisor ghosts>Dragon plane!Okay anon.
>>98688240I accept your concession, though your concession implies there are strong impactful cards outside of cori steel cutter, which there aren't.
>>98688228They spoiled some alt arts. Thats all we get today.
>>98688228There isn't much left to spoil. Less than 15 cards remain and full spoiler is tomorrow at 11 ET.
>>98688379There was the secret lair bundle. Did they show that off yet?
>>98688372Yeah sorry the set only produced a card that saw play in 4 formats. It should have rotated them like MH.
>>98688051It's a desert in the tundra sense, I guess.
>>98687415Seams a lot easier actually since1) you don't have to get all the creatures out in 1 turn2)it counts your oponent's stuff too3)it counts itself so if you have 2+ you can sac them to your Visera Seer or whatever ans they'll bring themselves back each turn4)it has a similar condition to Vengvine so you basically have 8 copies of it
>>98688387DRAGONSTORM. THE MOST RECENT VISIT TO THE PLANE. REPEAT AFTER ME. DRAGONSTORM.
>>98688400I always misread this card as Insolent Nonce.
>>98688421Yeah sorry the biggest card from the set only saw play in 4 formats and got banned in 2. We need 50 of these before it's actually a prowess monk plane.
>>98688108>Hurr durr rdw hasn’t been viable First of all you lying kike, they had to banScreaming NemesisManifold MouseMonstrous RageHeartfire HeroWhy must lying kikes lie so much?
>>98688449Those are all fake red cards so they don't count
>>98688427While I appreciate the apology, I already accepted your concession, no need to further apologize.
I just took a fat shit
>>98688456When JOTC has to ban 6 mono white cards in standard in a 2 year time frame, then you kikes can say something.8 years of FIRE design.Monthly sets designed at the same time.Thousands of new card designs.Dozens of nonwhite cards banned.Only 1 white card banned for the sins of a blue card, Omniscience, which R&D kikes admitted publicly they wanted to keep legal for 5 years.Don’t even try to keep up, scrub. Your gaslighting can’t beat the evidence.
>>98688469Average jund player thought process
Well I had a good run but I won too many a row and now I’m getting designed mana screws. Guess I’ll try again tomorrow
>>98688427Why is this card considered good?... it seems kinda meh?
>>98688480kekwhat's the average grixis player's one?
>>98688504"I'm evil nigga" or "I'm gay nigga" (often some combination of the two)
>>98688501Artifact that splits its value into additional bodies with a different permanent type and you have to remove both.
>>98688137I smoke them easily with Raktos. All their shitter creatures get nuked upon arrival before they can build up and in the meantime I'm feasting on them with unstoppable combos. This deck in StandardDeck3 Bloodthirsty Conqueror (FDN) 588 Mountain (SOS) 2792 Enduring Courage (DSK) 13311 Swamp (SOS) 2773 Enduring Tenacity (DSK) 953 Starscape Cleric (BLB) 1163 Vampire Nighthawk (FDN) 1864 Bloodfell Caves (TDM) 2503 Jagged Barrens (OTJ) 2594 Fire Magic (FIN) 1361 Impractical Joke (SOS) 1192 Fell (BLB) 951 Withering Torment (DSK) 1241 Virtue of Persistence (WOE) 1152 Abrade (FDN) 1882 Phyrexian Arena (FDN) 1802 Unstoppable Slasher (DSK) 1193 Pyroclasm (DSK) 1492 Shoot the Sheriff (OTJ) 106
>>98688501Are you a commander player? This card only matters in MtG sidegames (standard, modern, etc.)
>fra is weak
>>98688528>mfw some rakdos bondage fag starts thinking he'd beat me, the monog landfall chad
^ You would let your time run out before making a youtube video about how MTGA is rigged.
>>98688544>5-drop planeswalker in thumbnailYeah okay SaffronOlive I'll believe it when Spell Pierce is increased to 6 mana.
>>98688567White will dominate Standard.
>>98688501It's monastery mentor that doesn't die to removal
>>98688616Surely life gain will work this time....right?
>>98688544>brought to you by Richard "all of the sphinx's are garbage and you two are full of shit" Goldfish
I predict homarids will return in nauctis and they'll have the "crab" creature type and everyone will hate itI also predict that the flying replacement is gonna be some bullshit double faced "tide" mechanicsource: it came to me in a dream
>>98688638Even dumber. They already printed Rikala, Homarid King in the most recent mystery booster, and it was a Lobster. So it's not even like they're condensing it with a more common creature type, they're just switching Homarid for Lobster.
>>98688501It can trigger on the opponents turn
This set wants to be Time Spiral block 2 so bad, but it feels shallow and soulless. TS mixed up mechanics from the entire history of Magic. The echoverse is just opposite day: hero becomes villain, red mage becomes blue mage, smart becomes stupid. Orzhov Niv-Mizzet is the only interesting alt card.
>>98688909Some of them kinda work, like alt-Liliana being a healer due to her history, but other choices just feel so random. Why does Avacyn the dark angel exist if werewolf Sorin didn't make her? Why was Thalia ever a follower of Avacyn if she's blatantly evil? Why is Thalia still canonised as a saint if Avacyn's evil church ordered her execution? Every snapshot we get just falls apart under the lightest bit of scrutiny, and then the mechanics themselves aren't doing anything particularly spectacular either.
>>98688909That's pretty much how I feel about it right down to BW Niv. The awful Jace centrism is the icing on the cake.
>>98689022>WHO THE FUCK PULLED THE BOSS!
>>98688561It is 100% rigged, in my past 4 games I haven’t gotten more than 3 land cards (per game) because I won too many in a row. I’m getting rolled over by people way worse and way lower ranked just because I’m getting so royally and blatantly mana screwed. The only reason it’s annoying is because they starting chatting shit thinking they’re killing it not realizing the site is literally gift wrapping them the win.
>>98689022Hexhaven is such a weird concept for no reason.
>>98687331Can this be played in legacy storm or is there no reason to use it alongside Burning Wish? I can only really imagine if you're in non-red like pure BSS or UB ANT
>>98688073>>98688051Eternal Darkness and Deserts get super cold at night. so Snow. Who the fuck thought is a good idea to give ALL Instants and Sorceries Split Second.
>>98687415It's fucking infinitely easier to enable.
print snapcaster into standard
>>98689271you think it will be good in standard? I assume you have to play a second color for self mill? or something along those lines
>>98686748nah, without bridge or hogaak it's not scary at all
>>98689279I don't play Standard, but I know it will be bitchin in Pioneer.
>>98689295good enough for me
>>98687522>>98687823What do you think is not good about "Players cant respond to your spells"
You know what's good? Eldraine is good.
>>98689304yup
You know what's good?Bloomburrow is good.
white is too powerful
White cards are a lynchpin of many archetypes.
You know what will be good? Nauctis will be good.
White has more than twice as many vigilance cards as blue does.
>>98688449Sorry, I always forget I'm talking to retards so I should have clarified, I'm talking about real formats. Given that I'm discussing the usability of the Samut cards, whether or not RDW has been viable in a long time only matters in formats that do not rotate. In standard the only thing that matters is whether something is currently viable and in spoiler season, whether or not something is on the cusp of being viable bar a few cards. Again, someone with an IQ above 90 could have inferred that based on a general understanding of how formats and usability work but, as I said, I forget who I am talking to.Even if that WASN'T the case, both Duskmorne and Bloomburrow were released 2 years ago. There have been what, a dozen sets since then? That is 'a long time' to people who aren't disingenuous faggots like you.
>>98689300Most people here actually play the game so they know a 2-mana do-nothing isn't good.
>>98688544The fact they even bothered to print BLACKlight Phoenix where the trigger condition is so easy already convinced me otherwise
>>98689387>Most people here actually play the gameyou got me for a second.
>>98687385At least the Lacrimal caruncle seems unique.
>>98687593You mean Aetherdrift.
Roses are redViolets are blueI stoppled playing MTGAnd you should too
>>98689347It's the only set next year that has a chance to be at least
Reality Fracture Ugin be like: "I do NOT feel a compulsion to have sex with my brother."
>>98689401Okay good point but they're still a bit better at card evaluation than EDH players. Not by much, but still.
>>98689440And it will be shit because wizard will introduce some shitty meme faction that will ruin the whole setting like the bonder in Ikoria, the survivor in Duskmourn, the detective in MKM etc..
>>98687862>>98687522It's blue Voice of Victory/Jennifer. Problem is that blue does not need Voice of Victory, blue needs something that counters Voice of Victory. It's a hard counter for counterspells. You very rarely cast them on your own turn, but with Voice on board, you're dead as blue. You need to spend spells to remove it, but then stronger shit drops after that, and you're out of spells. Blue needs 1-3 mana creature threat, not some fringe use rare.
>>98689496>Blue needs 1-3 mana creature threat, not some fringe use rare.kaito is right there bro
print better counterspells and removal
>>98689385>That is 'a long time'>bans happened less than a year ago>that is a long time
Why are Clash players mogging us?
>>98689401How's Voice of Victory holding up in terms of "getting your spells through"?
>>98689578soul
>>98689585VoV only "negs" spells and only during your turn.
>>98689606Care to point me to the instants and sorceries that are not spells?
>>98689606>only during your turnIt effectively turns instants into sorceries for your opponent. That alone is very powerful. Only reason that it's not seeing more play is that green can stomp you to death in three turns with two creatures on board, no matter what. And it's useless against that.
>>98688140My cube has been in a wine box for about a decade. All of the cards look fine.
>>98686610>>98686618Wasn't she black?>>98686667yep, but I wouldn't complain that it is bulk after 20 reprints. >>98686795I like this, not very good to pick combo pieces unless you build around it but I could see people picking a win con with this (one of two).>>98686825This guy is good, right?>>98687522Holy fuck both are playable. Blue is annoying (who ever thought Split Second was a good mechanic to be in standard again?)
funny how bolas is completely absent
>>98689890Because the focus of the set is a universe where he never existed, and the real Bolas is currently busy thinking about how to get Ugin's cock back in his asshole.
>>98690150...I swear I've seen that exact line from normal Tomik's flavour text somewhere, but I can't place it.
>>98690201Manifestation Sage is pretty close.
>>98690201
>>98690150How could a universe with magic even develop the concept of thermodynamics?
does landfall ever get hit with bans or do we just have to put up with it for 3 more years
business idea: cum tokens
>>98690150This would've been funnier if they made his alternate version U(W) as a nod to the watermark error.
I haven't played Magic in like 6 years or followed it in 3 or so. Is Hollow One still a thing in Modern?
Why should I submit myself to the torture that means playing Standard?
>>98690500Apparently. Not ver good though.https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-hollow-one#paper
>duuuude, what if... le chandra, who is a le hotheaded fire mage... was a le cool and collected ice mage!>HOLY FUCK, THATS GENIUS>And what if... Avacyn, was a le EVIL angel instead of le good angel?>omgeeeeee everyone is going to slop this uppp!!!I'm mad enough that this set wasn't planer chaos 2 but was this really the best they could fucking come up with for a set centered around alternate universes? Not to mention the story gets status quo'd at the end so literally none of this shit will matter.
>>98690662>omgeeeeee everyone is going to slop this uppp!!!Except most mtg players including the normies, edhsloppers, and super casual players think this set is really fucking lame and tired of multiverseslop
>>98690662I know it takes time to design and physically print cards, but other than the lame alternate universe characters pretending its opposite day, this set came out 2 years too late everyone is already sick of multiverse shit
>>98690662I want to make sweet love to blue Chandra.>t. current UW control player in standard, soon to be a superfriends player
>>98690662I know they got rid of block sets but I genuinely don't understand why they didn't ride this one for a couple sets. It literally gives them the excuse to do Ravnica again for the 4127th time and Innistrad again for the 3891th time.
>>98690662I would not call Emrakul Freed and super-charged by devouring an entire other multiverse a status quo. In fact Jace kinda fuck up big time.
>>98690670In-universe sets aren't aimed at that demographic. They're aimed at the superslopper performative fans of this shitty game that actually cream their pants when they see Chandra and cry when Jace dies. That's why they cost half as much and are printed less than UB sets. Because MtG has ZERO appeal to anyone not already invested in the game. You tell 99% of people "yeah our protagonist is a narcissistic asshole who acts like a colossal autist and just gets away with it because he's a Mary Sue" and their first thought isn't "wow that's cool because it's a blue card so this is what a blue character with no WBRG personality traits looks like!" it's "wow that characters sounds poorly written." Made even worse when even learning this much about the character requires seeing their representation on cards being 90% Marvel-tier snarky quips and thinking "wow I want to learn more about this person this doesn't seem obnoxious at all."
It's crazy how Blex lasted at least a few years post-containment, but now the pests have seemingly gone extinct after one visit to Strixhaven. Either that, or they're so unremarkable that they don't even get targeted by Hexhaven.
This set should've been about Hexhaven only
>>98690746>Emrakul leaves her own self-imposed time out>"Yeah this is a huge Jace fuckup now the status quo shifted"Even when she was being put in the moon she made it clear that it was her choice and she could have mind crushed everyone there if she wanted. The biggest status quo change is unironically only the fact Jace is dead but even then I'm not holding my breath on WotC not bringing him back by saying he reconstructed himself from the memories in Tam. Nothing else fucking happened to the point this set is on-par with MKM in terms of "one character dies, they're instantly replaced, and nothing else changes."
>Amost 20% of the set will be legendary creatures>parasitic keyword only interacts with cards that grant extra abilities to planeswalkers you control>storyline wrapped up in one set>setting is fanfic version of a fanfic version of not Hogwarts>Multiverse tier villan had no buildup whatsoeverThey are not even trying anymore. Things happen so quickly. Urza spent a total of 3000 years preparing for the Phyrexian invasion and it was before the mending. Now post-mending planeswalkers gain and lose the power to alter them multiverse in a fraction of that time.
>>98690792They're never doing another Weatherlight again specifically because people hated being stuck in the buildup for years. This playerbase is, and always has been, a group of toddlers than need jingling keys to keep them entertained because the idea of seeing the same character 6 sets in a row while that character develops is abhorrent to a playerbase that wants an entirely new setting literally every set.
>>98690771The set is a fucking mess. It's supposed to introduce us to 5 factions we've never heard before while also dealing with Jace rewriting the entire multiverse. On top of that you have many slots reserved for legendary creatures, so there's almost no space left for worldbuilding. RF is the equivalent of a fashion show where models walk through the runway one after the other.
>>98690792>>98690798You genuinely would not like another weatherlight saga. This shit was the berserk boat arc of MTG and was MCUslop before the MCU existed with wacky quirky characters with le heckin quippy one-liners!
>>98690831Pretty much. It wasn't written much better, it just dragged on. That's why you can instantly flag anyone that says "WAH I WANT BLOCKS BACK!!!" as a LARPer because nobody actually liked this shit story dragging out even longer.
>>98690843I was too young to live the Weatherlight saga in first person, but the Mirrodin - Alara streak was peak MtG and most of it was block-based. Block structure is the reason Ravnica exists in the first place. Three sets gave the designers the chance to flesh out ten guilds (4+3+3) and the worldbuilding of the city plane.
>>98690843>>986908572 blocks was a sweet spot for most sets if there isn't a ton to explore so there isn't a shitty middle or end set after they clearly ran out of ideas. 3 blocks can be done for shit that needs a lot of time.
>>986908622 sets per plane is exactly how we got people whining about how it didn't feel like there was enough buildup for the story (BFZ, SOI) 1 set per plane allows WotC to just do some half-assed shit instead of pretending you're supposed to care about the writing.
>>98690894Ah yes, I'm sure a lot of people really fondly remember Dragon's Maze, or Journey to Nyx
>>98690901Well yeah that's why 3 sets per block didn't work either. If WotC made a dud you were stuck there for a whole fucking year and most of the time nobody wanted sets 2 or 3 of a block because they were smaller (fewer cards to pull) and not independently draftable (well, not if you wanted draft to not suck).
>>98689578They couldn't spell "Monday" yet they spelled "Wednesday" perfectly?
>>98690986I actually think this is kinda cool. I hate WoTC and think they're a bunch of woke wankers but this set seems kinda cool. At least it's not UB.
>>98686602Jace x Vraska = Tam?Or surrogate parent?
>>98689838>>98686825Didn't we get like three different versions of this card in the Marvel set?
>>98691011
>Drew like a dark, fucked up version of codie the biblioplex mascot haha. Just a glimpse into my dark reality.
Samut is speed; speed is life.
>>98691042>speed is life.>t. bug
>>98691011Jace imagined what his and Vraska's kid would look like and made her real
>>98690990The concept is actually pretty cool but as others already mentioned - there's just too much shit for one set. I don't think that a proper block structure is needed, but there's material for like 3 sets loosely tied within the same storyline.1. Multi-planar set showing us first signs of both 'verses merging and various characters interacting with their counterparts.2. Jace-focused set fleshing out his plan, continuing the otherverse bs and showing us everyone preparing to rush his base of operation.3. Hexhaven-focus, Jace and his five armies vs Gaywatch and co. Ending may still be just Emrakul appearing out of nowhere like coolaid kid, devouring Jace's plan and disappearing because it's funny.
>>98691095If they didn't do all these fucking UB sets we could have blocks again.I can't wait to go back to New York again next year. I sure do love the hustle and bustle of the city.
>>98689279>I assume you have to play a second color for self mill?Didn't they jsut print a stitcher suplier variant?
All the uncommon legendaries is leaving a very sour taste in my mouth. It's like an in-universe UB, but at least theres a lot of other good cards. Just sucks know its a 7/10 that could've easily been a good planar chaos 2 instead of WAR 3.0
>>98691149It real is War of the Spark planeswalker set gain, isn't it?Except War had like 3 blocks of buildup.Imagin if they had Hour of Devastation lumped in the middle of War
>>98691142The Mahvel set is either gonna be Supernatural or Cosmic, we ain't going back to NYC
>>98691148The easiest way to get it in the grave.
>>98690990WoTC is the master of cool concept shitty execution. They always have some cool worldbuilding idea, concepts and/or creatures but they always end up fucking the execution by having retarded decision like adding some meme faction, toning down some idea or removing key concept to not offend people. First example that come to mind is new Capenna: the whole concept of the city once ruled by angels turning into a demon ruled criminal den inspired by mafia movies/film noir after an otherworld invasion wipe out most of the angels was a cool concept, but then they decided the world wouldn't have police and the whole thing fall appart because they removed a key concept of the whole genre.
>>98691171Too slow to spend a turn doing nothing
>>98691201It's easy to build up a board to summon it on the turn you play it.
>>98691171Anon, Lively fucking Dirge is available.
The best card in the set. Debate me.
I wonder if Darklight Phoenix will spawn some new Bazaar lists going back to Cabal Therapy. It's probably not worthwhile given how aerodynamic Dredge is already and Ichorid is mostly better without having to jump through additional hoops.
>>98691438The card from the set that will see the most play is the fucking 1 mana instant that makes a creature a 1/1 or a 4/5. As far as Samut goes, I'll take the red one any day.
>>98691448You have so many more haste enablers, than split second givers.
>>98691465Take it from someone who has been playing red aggro since 1999 - Samut is far and away the best enabler (ahead of Anger, even). The card looks innocuous but I promise it isn't. Every other enabler either costs too much mana, does nothing (is an enchantment or similar with no other effects) or relies on secondary riders (only affects creatures with counters, certain levels of power/toughness, etc). This is a 2 mana 2/2 with haste that gives everything haste, full stop.
>>98691447to me darklight is a bridgevine card, it's kinda like having extra copies of vengevine, the classic:>t1 supplier>t2 supplier + carrion feeder will easily put like 2 phoenix into play
Thought that was Teferi for a moment
>jace is dead because he had a funeral
>>98691652I hope he's dead. It would piss me off if WotC pussied out and transplanted him to the Edge instead.
>>98691648That's the last card and full official spoiler list should drop in about an hour and a half....this set is pretty meh.
>>98691704>...this set is pretty meh.Everyone is hailing this set as one of the best.
In one set we have>Jace builds a school>Jace builds an entire multiverse>Jace fucking dies>The girly version of Jace summons Emrakul to fix itThis is no brake full retard speed ahead level of writing.
>>98691736That's what you get when you need to compact the story into one set.
next UW set gonna be something like>Emrakul returns>dies in the first half of the story>suddenly New Phyrexia return>dies in the second half of the story>Ugin summons Bolas to fix the multi-multiverse
So why are we printing a ton of eldrazi cards that would be crazy in Modern in to standard? Some of these are too way too strong
>>98691725Sycophants tend to do that, yes. I'll grant that this set is better than MKM or DFT but that isn't exactly a high bar.
>>98691736Remember when the Phyrexian invasion started and ended in one set? This was always going to get rushed
>>98691798Counterpoint: Remember when the Phyrexian invasion was an entire block and all three sets are regarded as some of the best constructed and limited environments of all time?Of course you don't you weren't playing Magic back then.
Just annihilated another green faggot with this deck btw >>98688528He came out HEAVY and got me down to 6 life pretty quickly. But I got the configuration I was looking for of Vampire Nighthawk + Starscape Cleric on the board, he cycled for another five minutes during his turn boosting one of his green pieces of shit to over 10 power, but didn’t want to attack yet and let Nighthawk take it out. I put down Bloodthirsty Conqueror on my next turn, booped him once with Vampire Nighthawk and laughed and laughed and laughed
>>98691784I wonder how limited is gonna be with all this power down
>>98691772....you mean just the 1?
Hey everybody check it out, we got more cards for the much beloved Tomik character!
>>98691805>"WE WILL ENDURE!"Scars block was fucking based.Mirran Crusader is probably one of my favorite cards.Somehow I always remember Ogre Resister despite never playing it.Og Elesh Norn..Damn, I kind of want to build a deck from that block once again...
>>98691784The only thing that seems to be universally criticized are the commander precons.
finally figured out what this set reminds me of, it's like the MTG equivalent of Vince Russo's car crash booking in late-stage WCW. Throwing a thousand things at the wall without giving a single one any time to breathe because you're too scared of people tuning out.
>no mardu or sultai narset>no falkenrath sorin>no elspeth, erebos's champion>no red or black thragtusk Bros...
>>98691859Ral Zarek's boyfriend?
>>98691946A weird eclectic mishmash of who got an evil clone and who didn't. Must've been focused grouped.
>>98691823I can see it being a slower limited format with all the amass Jace stuff. Also B/G seem to have more deathouchers than usual at low rarity which can lead to stalls.
>>98691946Speak English
>>98691975If you don't speak Magic, why are you here?
The nice thing is, since this set sucks balls and I don't give a frog's fat ass about Trek, I can just check out on magic for the rest of the year. Neat!
>>98691987I Only Speak Superior Universe Beyond
>>98686618but this time it's a slag chopping a tree instead
>>98691805NPH limited was actually one of the worst since Lorwyn at the time and no one I knew enjoyed drafting it. Constructed was cool though you are right. Scars - Inn had some great decks and lots of tier 1.5 or tier 2 decks could be competitive.
The stuffhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/reality-fracture-prerelease-guidehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/reality-fracture-release-notes
>>98691975>>98692001Ah sorry, I speak a bit of UBese. Let me translate >no hun or steppe witch mulan>no voluturi edward cullen>no xena, hades's favorite>no like 20 feral wild hogs that can take over a countryside
Whatever your opinion of Tam you've got to admit she's rocking those leathers.
>>98692155>clearly UG PW art>ah fuck we need a rainbow edh slop card for PW tribal, just use this she can get a real PW card in Foundations 2Bruh
>>98692155>she'sHe's
>>98692164Cope, chud
>>98692164mentally broken
>>98691871>>98692107I was talking about Invasion block you dumb fucks (proving my post correct).
Alright fine, week 2 spoilers were significantly better than week 1 spoilers, so I'll be generous and put this set above TMNT and (probably) Star Trek. Not putting it above SOS though, even as mid as that set was.
When the fuck are they revealing next year's UB'sI've bought nothing in '26, and see nothing worth buying in '27 so far.
>Samut is known for thinking fast and moving faster. But when it comes to her role as de facto leader of the living in Naktamun, she works with Hapatra to ensure that speed never compromises the safety of the people. Samut spends much of her time overseeing the restoration of Naktamun's empty quarters and communing with the new gods of Amonkhet. While she is still seen as Hazoret's champion, she seeks to stand in the good graces of all the gods, hoping that they can build a new home for the living of Amonkhet together. Samut doesn't pretend to know the best path, but she does know that Amonkhet will only thrive if its people keep moving forward.>The tyrant of Naktamun, Samut is a cold and calculating wizard who rules over the living alongside the frozen god, the mightiest force on all of Amonkhet.>Samut intimidates her population, using fear to keep the populace docile and submissive. If the strength of the frozen god were not enough to frighten her people, they are aware of the magic that Samut herself wields. Samut can slow time to the point that it appears to freeze, giving her as long as she needs to keep a step ahead of her adversaries.>Although there have been attempts on Samut's life, she never worried that her reign might end until she met Hapatra. Hapatra's command over the hearts of Amonkhet's people is far deadlier than any threat Samut has faced before. She is all too aware of the seditious machinations of the undead monarchs and how they guide Hapatra against her.
>Tomik Vrona was born to be a lawmage. Raised by Orzhov advokists (who continued to raise him after their untimely deaths), he was comfortable with both spirits and laws from a very young age. It's no surprise that he shot through the ranks of the Orzhov Syndicate until he served as Teysa's second in command.>Tomik is known for his specialties in contract work, his use of gargoyles, and his incredible ability to forge diplomatic ties between the guilds. But none of these are as strong as his bond with Ral Zarek, his husband.>Having helped Ral rebuild the Izzet League after the Phyrexian Invasion, Tomik now solidifies his husband's return eagerly.>It's said that when Tomik was born, the Vrona household exploded into a shower of sparks. That's apocryphal—probably—but many Izzet do believe it. And for good reason: Tomik is about as talented as a sparkmage can be.>Tomik spent his childhood exploding his parents' experiments for fun. He ascended the ranks of the Izzet in a snap. Some say this is thanks to the machinations of his husband, Ral, a noted Orzhov advokist and propagandist—but both men strenuously deny the allegation.>Tomik hasn't seen his husband since Ral departed Ravnica on important business. Unfortunately, Ral is one of the only people who can mellow Tomik's considerable temper. The Izzet hope he returns before Tomik, in frustration, levels the guildhall.
Going into Reality Fracture, I was already like 9 out of 10. This was the set of the year I was most excited for. And now that I've seen the set, I actually like it even more than I was expecting. Like it has exceeded my expectations. There is so much nostalgia, so many cool callbacks, and even more importantly, just a ton of cards that I cannot wait to build around. So, I am really excited about all the cool decks that are going to come out of this set.
>>98692458Hold up, where did Razaketh go?
>>98692496>Skipped the end of his final spoiler video>It's exactly like 80% of the sendoffs he gives for "good" in-universe setsGuess I didn't miss much. Seth really does just love everything as long as it "feels" like Magic.
>>98692465>only difference between the "main" universe and the echoverse is that Ral and Tomik switched guildThe echoverse is such an half baked idea, they just went with the lazy opposite world instead of trying to find some interesting "what if ?" ideas.
>>98692599You have to wait until monday for Richard to shit on all of it, anon.
>>98692643Your pic is literally the exact same thing where they just did wacky opposites.
75 legendary creatures and 85 non legendaries. This is UB levels.>>98692643 The gimmick of two versions of the same character in the same booster is a mistake, in most cases the real universe version is an unremarkable card of the existing character in their regular color.Hard pass for me I won't even bother with singles.
>>98692500Razaketh subjugated all the gods of amonkhet and rules the plane now
>>98692755I honestly don't know why they bothered with "both versions in the same pack" nonsense.
>>98692755>75 legendary creatures and 85 non legendarieskek
What REAL colour shifts would you do?
>>98692741And I would say it's fine in little dose, planar chaos only had 11 legendary creatures and you didn't have the two versions in the same set so you really felt less like it was just opposite world. Also 5 of them were wedge legendary dragons that were inspired but not just mechanical opposite of the invasion dragon.
>>98692427Power rangers, 40k/destiny and mahvel
>>98692888Honestly I would have like some of the alternate version to not even been colour shifted. You have a planar chaos card that hint at an alternate universe were Urza and Mishra studied elemental magic instead of artifact. I would have like something like that for example a Saheeli that stayed UR but was an elementalist instead of an artificer.
>>98692984Magic is ment to be played in person among friends. This game is liquid diarrhea in any other instance
>>98692763I got that from Hapatra but Samut's deal doesn't reference him at all so I dunno what to make of that.
>>98692984there is an arena specific thread on this board
>>98693004Do you respond to prowess trigger? Yes or no.
>>98693016Shit, sorry, didn't know. My bad.
>>98693051that thread is much slower than this one tho
>>98692888Probably just a lot of really simple stuff. The BG Serra Angel. Savanah Lions into Mountain Lions. That sort of thing.Though that'd probably be better served if they made Jumpstart packs for this as a way to show off more of the Echoverse and do some of the less fancy shifts.
>>98692952Dromar's ability is kinda shit given he's a 3 colour card and is more likely to fuck himself over than not
>>98693301
>>98693320This card specifically doesn't hit itself
>>98693056Be the change you want to see
>>98693448obviously
>>98692783Marketing gimmick, simple as. Mark was going on and on about how the set had "something we've never been able to do before" in attempt to build up hype for the set
>>98691648Creatures you control gain first strike until end of turn.Draw a card
>>98690942You win some you loose some
>>98691438The commander thread is in the next page.>>98691652Honestly they went extra hard on making people don't care about the characters of the game, so who cares?If it was back in War of the Spark people would probably care Jace got killed... , now? >>98691750The writing is bad. We can't even blame the 1 set thing when War of the Machine for exemple was set up by 2 or 3 sets beforehand and ended up having a retarded story all the same.>>98691798There was set up, we had compleated planeswalkers walking around, preators in other planes, small invasions happening, and then one big retarded bad written invasion that happened in one set and ended in the same set. The fault is not having the big event happen and end in one set. That shit was bad because the fucking story was bad.Do you remember "Realmbreaker, the Invasion Tree"???
>>98694786I like it
Were the remaining spoilers meant to come out today? Where are they?
>>98695049Here it is.>>98691648
>>98695049Thats it. It's all for you, my friend.
>>98695080>>98695090What about this >>98691704 ?
New thread>>98686619>>98686619>>98686619
>>98692643I wish they had made Chaos Planar 2.0 where the color shifted legendaries had arts similar to the card they were being "shifted" from. Like Braids, Crovax (Ascendant Evincar), Akroma, Mirri (actually being a reference to og black Crovax), and Jedit (probably reference to Darien, King of Kjeldor).There was no need to print a "main universe" counterpart in the same set. I agree that some look neat and are good but they are all missed design spaces.>>98692741The thing with planar chaos was that they printed only variants and didn't bother to print the original (except for Akroma) that those cards took a reference/inspiration. In this one they printed two of the same character and those were barely similar mechanic wise.Akroma, Braids and Crovax being the opposite of their previous version.Mirri having a vampire mechanic similar to 1st Crovax.Jeddit went from being a "individualist"(hero) card to being a lord. That was cool. Some cards from Echo Verse are references to their first cards. Thalia spirit, (Ghalta the Immovable), (Tetsuko Umezawa, Pursuer), (Yargle, Goliath of Otaria) are good exemple of good "Chaos Warped" card.
>>98695049There's foundations shit today. Reprints of old cards. Some cards have new art. Like pic related. Also Gisa. I'm not going to double check every card to see which ones have new art.
>>986877927th edition invasion/masques block era. Call to the Herd was a $20 when Odyssey came out.
