Teeth in all of the places editionPrevious Thread:>>98538272Check out here for useful links and a catalogue of relevant miniatures retailers:https://pastebin.com/nnNqqFLnThe Rogue Trader magazine article compilation:https://mega.nz/file/C4oSnArA#sA2O_7V6OnhZCOLCf0Sba1KW_wao3pZvc6IUmlHvpsk
>>98695419lmao that striking scorpion looks like he's going in for the kiss.
Does anyone have pics of Khorne possessed tanks? Specifically fleshy ones, I'm looking for inspiration but I'm only finding Nurgle ones
>>98695454I don't think I've ever seen a Khorne demon engine thing that's gone fleshy even when there's explicitly a demon in there
But if I was going to lean into something like that I'd look towards the original chaos marines melding of armour and mutations for inspiration; it's a lot less spikes and skulls everywhere, and might give more transitional bits to work with as textures? That and look towards the various fairly low detail but at least conceptually there war machines of khorne for Epic. Should be able to pull key details from that. Same with stuff like the various iterations of the juggernaut from its original potato-dog form to the brutal then more sleek versions, and how the plating of armour works on that.
Literally never seen this dude before
>>98695528neat
>>98695477>>98695523Thanks!
It's been so long since I painted my last grogworthy dude.. maybe they'll get more paint on them throughout the long winter months.
Reposting here the last reply I posted on the last thread as I did not see a new one was up.>>98695102 #Yeah, wandering monsters, peasants and mercenaries that could either become enemies or join one of the players are all things that work extremely well in 3e.I've played scenarios where a pitched battle against another player turned into a temporary truce as we fought back a zombie uprising.GMs are also invaluable for roleplaying within games, as they can make any NPC interactions richer and more interesting than any random table or scripted behaviour could.>>98695453Mandiblasters are freaky, man.
>>98695454Something like this could be a callback to the more industrial aspect of Khorne, which is more interesting than just having it covered in blood and spikes, or the even less appealing nuGW aesthetic of drowning everything Khornate in golden trim.
>>98695784Forgot my image like a fool.
>>98695187For fantasy there's Warhammer Renaissance, which takes the best parts of 4-5th edition Warhammer and adds some quality of life improvements from later editions. It has army lists for everything from 2nd to 8th editions, extremely flexible and fluffy army building and is constantly updated, with yearly balance patches and additions that don't break the whole thing.It's a pretty good game, the only big downsides is that the player base is small, new players prefer getting into old world because it's officially supported (even though the rules are worse for the most part) and you need to have a facebook account as the main forum and rules downloads are over there.
Some of the unreleased beekees are unreleased for really good reasons. >>98695528 looks like an awful recast.
>>98695876I like them, there's a certain brutalist/minimalist charm to them that feels very 80s, the sort of redesign they'd get if they were to star in a cartoon from the era.
>>98696043They were usually just first drafts and practice models so that's why they look like that aka shit.One weird case is the artificer armours, originally not even called that which I strongly suspect were a bunch of test ideas for how marines were supposed to look that then got shoved out the door later on to fill a release slot. They have a lot of mixed details of really early designs yet were released I think about the time the Mk.7s were out. They're also slightly awkward and rough like they're playing around with things, more C100 type marine detailing in places. They also turned up painted without fanfare long before (about a year if I remember right?) release and mail order codes seem to have been available.Like here you see they're already after Terminators got defined properly, despite looking like already dated sculpts by this point (we're into second wave revised metal beakies with more consistent less lumpy looks), and then they don't turn up in the catalogues until much later.
>>98697071These are the ones in my collection. I eventually painted Cyclops there on the end.
>>98697114The "Cyclops" model, Artificer Armour 4 (070270/2).
Are there any decent clones of old Warhammer editions or has every take on improving retro editions turned out inferior to the original?>>98695817Sounds interesting, I will check it. The "balance patches" make me cautious though, I really wish there were more games that reached the state of internal balance that is found good enough by their creators and not touched anymore. I miss the times when games were tweaked a bit to remove the rough edges and then preserved in amber.
>>98695454There's certainly nothing stopping you merging a bestial demon with a vehicle but as others have said their vehicles tend to be more industrial, metal and fire like the Juggernauts but more vehicle shaped.
Maybe it interests some here:Knightmare minis is running a Kickstarter "Greenskin Wars - Reinforcements!" for about a dozen of new orc and goblin sculpts.
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Played some 3rd the other night.Ulthwe vs my mates necrons.Unfortunately we played nightfight and neither of us remembered how much of an awful mission it could be.
>>98698790Croms deployed first with the monolith taking centre stage amd forcing me to reply with my vyper and fireprism.
>>98698802First turn was pretty uneventful as we both rolled poorly for nightfight.Next turn wasnt too much better.
>>98698812Wraithguard immobilised the monolith, warwalkers managed to fail nightfighting for the 2nd turn in a row and then got blasted by the monolith.Fire prism did nothing and the vyper gunned down a destroyer.
>>98698819My black guardians killed another destroyer, but the immortals managed to get into range and started churning through them.Some flayed ones deepstruck into my backline and the seer council promptly murdered them.
>>98698834Immortals continued to advance grinding down one of the guardian units. pariahs and lord wiped the wraithguard.A warrior blob glanced the vyper to death, and the monolith popped the fireprism turret, prompting it to flee out of los.
>>98698852I risked it and moved both guardian blobs closer to try and kill some immortals. This failed as despite me dropping half his unit he passed most of his we'll be back rolls. And promptly destroyed my guardians turn 5 and the seer council turn 6.I tankshocked a warrior blob with the damaged fire prism, and miraculously the cross failed their leadership, but in turn 6 they regrouped.Game ended with me only contesting a single quarter and crons controlling 2.Very brutal, will try aliatoc or saimhann if I play crons again.
>>98698874Cool write-up, thanks anon! I always liked Ulthwe.
Got back on the painting table and started base coating my reavers, blades will have the same kind of "exotic alien alloys" look my warriors have with their bayonets and such. The Talos is also getting a refresh, I can't quite recall what I was doing with it in 2009, so I'm just mixing a dark blue to match and figuring it out from there. Have another game of 3rd set for early next week, 1,000 points again and I hope to have these guys plus the archons raider finished for that game.
Anyone here familiar with the different editions of Epic? Which one was your favorite? Thinking of trying it out after watching some battle reports of it but don't know where to start.
>>98702205Just like Andy Chambers and Jervis Johnson 3rd is my favorite. But everyone else and his mom hates it and wil tell you to play 4th instead.
>Genestealers are 2€ a pop and 28 in-game points.So it would cost me 18€ of plastic genestealers to make my 1,000 points army legit.>Hormagaunts are 10€ a pop and 8 in-game points.It would costs me 320€ of metal hormagaunts to make my 1,000 points army legit.There's no way these 32 hormagaunts are worth 320 eurobucks but are they at least worth fielding against 9 genestealers? I could try and source a talented proonter to set me up but since I already have all my big bugs sorted up maybe I should simply aim for a nidzilla elite force instead of the archetypal horde army?t. poorfag
>>98703073The genestealers are the better fighters, and also being cheaper monetarily sound like the best choice for your circumstance. Baffled the humble hormagaunt is so expensive, that's honestly absurd, 10 euros a pop? Tell him he's dreaming!
>>98702205>Adeptus Titanicus 1st ed, Space Marine Epic Battles Titan focus, unrefined, kind of cool that way. I fucked up and didn't buy a shellback box decades ago. >Space Marine 2nd ed, Titan Legions Added in rules for orks, squats, eldar, chaos, tyranids. Might have been redesigns of WD articles, wasn't reading it at the time. Played this one a lot as a kid, very fiddly. Most units have their own special rules and templates. Lots of counters and cards, force building felt very tactile, especially Tryanid synapsis builds. Probably plays faster if its now a bunch of 12 year olds doing it wrong but rolling for each stand in a company of marines to wiff most of the shooting is not very appealing. Titan cards and hit locations are still cool, similar to 2nd ed vehicle cards or Man O' War ship cards. >3rd Ed Epic 40KMixed bag, very different from 2nd. Streamlines a lot, I like it, bothered a lot of people at the time. The air support sequence, strategy cards and victory points were neat. Blast markers and the firepower table are good design. >4th Epic ArmageddonAdded a good amount of detail back in but still keeps a lot of the good ideas from 3rd. Probably the best compromise, likely the easiest to find or build a community for. There was an australian(?) HH variant of this one that was popular for a while but I lost track of it.
Am I bad at using Google or has Rogue Trader never got a battle bible treatment? It's quite surprising that the 2nd edition ended up with a fan-made one book to rule them all but THE oldhammer edition didn't.
>>98704380I've been working on at least compiling all the RT related stuff from WDs into one file. Major issue is that RT changed a lot, so it's not like 2e where the core rules with a ton of additions.
>>98704380Rogue Trader with Battle Manual is basically just 2nd edition.
>>98704380It's gonna be very difficult to get something like that. Like the other anon said, RT changed a lot across the years, so you'd either end up with a bunch of rules that contradict or replace each other or having to make a compromise to decide what stuff stays in and what goes out.RT also tends to have its army lists all bundled together, rather than separated by codex, with books like Chapter Approved and the Compendium collating most of the WD supplementary material. Not as convenient as a BB, but still better than needing 8+ books and a bunch of mags.
>>98704380As the other anons say, there's not really a single version of RT. It changed a lot over the years so it has the same issue as 3-7th. People do not agree in what's the best way to play it.Meanwhile, of the old editions 2nd was the most self contained and consistent over the years. It also had a significant amount of fans that didn't stop playing it. Just as 3rd was released, a group created in 1998 the 2nd ed Battle Bible which it's still being updated today. See here the latest version from a few months ago:> https://gofile.io/d/7JrtyKq5You can even find in Facebook groups about it in every western country. Plenty of quality videos about it in youtube too. Ironically for me, I never liked the 2nd ed. rules, aesthetics, the starter set, or the billion tokens/cards/templates involved. But It's beyond doubt the most successful of all old editions among players.
>>98703142That's the prices we have to deal with here. Every seller "knows what they're selling" so they have piles of lead rotting away with 0 sell in 3 years. You would think that should gives them a clue but they don't want to be the sucker getting a bad bargain (read realistic offer) on their vintage toy.
>>98695419I heard of laserburn that supposedly predates Rogue Trader with some elements from laserburn making it into Rogue Trader.How is Laserburn?
>>98704574>>98704531>>98704526>>98704406I'm surprised to see the 2nd edition being this successful compared with other old editions. I was always under the impression that 4th editions rules and 3rd.5 codices was the most praised combo, online at least.
>>98708851It's not quite distinct enough from nu40k yet that people are deliberately seeking out the aesthetics like they are with 2nd though.
>>98708877>not quite distinct enough from nu40kThe fuck you on about?
>>98708877Now that's a stretch, Anon. Even the 7th edition, rest in piss, was distinctively different from 8th edition. Fuck, 8th edition was not even a soft reboot, it was a straight out reset of the game on every level.
>>98708954>>98708909Not aesthetically though as I say, which is often the biggest driver in many grog things.The 2nd to 3rd transition from "red era, mostly metal and really simple grey plastics" to 3rd and 4th's various tastes of "grunge" and "gothic" along with increased multipart and cross-compatible plastics was a huge shift we haven't really seen since. Yes 3rd-7th is arguably one long era (one I left with the launch of 5th myself), and 8th-11th is another era, but it's aesthetically not as sharp a line in the sand.And I'm saying this as one of the biggest proponents of "4th editions rules and 3rd.5 codices" on here, my thread saying "yo we should make a battle bible which actually tidies up the rules using known FAQ and errata" lead to the abomination of the /fourk/ threads I had no part in.I'm just saying why I think when I go to events there's several games of 2nd and not too many of 3rd/4th, 2nd feels like a more deliberate act of nostalgia at the moment, it takes longer and you can lean into what you think the aesthetics of the time were, Goblin Green bases and all.
>>98709058>Not aesthetically thoughNot mechanically either.
>>98709058It's weird how popular 2nd is. Sure, army sizes were small so it's not so hard to collect minis of that era besides a few outliers (like land speeders and land raiders)But actually getting all what you need to play 2nd is a mess. The Battle Bible is nice, but far from enough. Players need special dice, more template types than in 3-7th, and a fuckton of cards and tokens than are difficult to obtain. It has the biggest barrier to entry of any edition. 3-7th is limited by nobody agreeing on what ruleset and codexes to play. Lots of people like you mention 4th with 3.5 codexes, but those leave out tons of units and flavor added before and later. It's a pretty limited snapshot of the game, IMO
>>98710449>Players need special dice, more template types than in 3-7th, and a fuckton of cards and tokens than are difficult to obtain.None of these is a valid excuse in the age of 3D printing. Scatter and artilery dice are still used in TOW, so are some of the templates. The rest are easily printable, files can be found for free in seconds. If you can't 3D print those accessories, there are PDFs with templates and cards to be print on paper, same with tokens. One day of work gives you all the accessories you need and will last for years.
>>98710582>proooonter goes brrrrrI have never seen any 3D printed gaming aids at BOYL
>>98710591You have no one to blame but yourself for not getting a cheap FDM printer or finding a local proonter to print them for cents or even for free. I constantly print shit for my friends, even design tokens and tools for them.>I have never seen any 3D printed gaming aids at BOYLWhat does it even mean?
>>98710582I said "difficult to obtain", not impossible.Doing all what you say is still a huge barrier to entry. And like with most 3d printed stuff, it just feels counterfeit and not the real deal, which goes against the nostagia factor.
>>98710609>What does it even mean?If you need to ask, you're missing the pointAlso, a 3d printer is not going to produce a proper set of 2nd ed tokens, cards, and datafaxes
>>98710614>Doing all what you say is still a huge barrier to entry.Perhaps I'm autistic but I never get people who are willing to spend weeks, months or even years on building and painting armies but can't focus for 2 hours on printing and sleeving cards that will last for a few years at least.>And like with most 3d printed stuff, it just feels counterfeit and not the real deal, which goes against the nostagia factor.Ah yes, the crime against the hobby - nice sturdy plastic tokens in place of flimsy pieces of cardboard. >>98710622>If you need to ask, you're missing the pointNo, what the fuck does BOYL mean? I don't know this acronym, the hell is that?>a 3d printer is not going to produce a proper set of 2nd ed tokensPic related.>cards, and datafaxesThat's why I mentioned printing on paper. A pack of nice glossy paper costs a few bucks. People really do like to look for excuses but it's not 1995 anymore - all the tools, resources and materials are available and easily accessible.
>>98710666"Bring Out Your Lead" is a big annual oldhammer convention in the UK. Lots of people that used to work at GW are part of it.See https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/pages/oldhammerAnyway, you understimate the effort to get a proper playable set of 2nd edition. Too many steps.
>>98710591>I have never seen any 3D printed gaming aids at BOYLWe're all old enough to have the original ones, and too old to learn 3D printing!>>98710737>Anyway, you underestimate the effort to get a proper playable set of 2nd edition.But it would be so totally worth it!
>>98710821Watchis the Minisodes yt channel has made me consider 2nd ed. even if I didn't like it when i was a teenager.But oh boy, it's such a pain to obtain all what's needed. Double so because the version published in my country was in metric units, which I refuse to buy, nevermind the absurd scalper prices.
>>98708851>>98710449It's basically the "game that started it all" for people of a certain age. RT was a grog game played by weird nerdy people in stained Metallica tshirts. When 2ed came out though it was this super cool crazy scifi game that parents bought for their kids in the 90s and aesthetically it's WAAAY more colourful than everything that came after it. 3rd onwards is recognisably an earlier version of the game and setting we have today, whereas 2ed seems entirely distinct.
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>>98710737Got to love the classic 'Spikey Balls' terrain.
>>98710737>Anyway, you understimate the effort to get a proper playable set of 2nd edition. Too many steps.ntaYou're both right. Motherfuceks are lazy and stupid. Its not hard to get the pdfs and print things out or get dice. But even with that, it is too many steps for most of said lazy mothercfuckers. Just googling >how to get started with 2n edition 40k gives you the rules, pdfs of the cards and templates formatted for printing, datafaxes, etc. templates for custom dice making, you name it. And yet.
>>98710939Despite being a kid the time, I have no such nostalgia for 2nd.But its small army sizes and granularity really interest me. My group of friends do not have the patience or the time for the shit going on modern 40k or even older edtions. But 2nd seem like a good compromise, if it wasn't for how difficult is to get all the cardboard involved.>>98710942>>98710959Neat>>98711054and yet, all that stuff needs to be turned into physical objects. Getting the PDFs is not the issue, is the inconvenience of all the other steps. It's supposed to be a fun activity, not a second job.You have to be a NEET to not understand this.
>>98711077>doesn't think making things is fun You dumb ass you could have downloaded all the pdfs and gotten them printed out between you two posts. Its been an hour. Ordering dice online takes 10 minutes. Cutting out cards is what, another hour? A bit longer for you but maybe get your handler to let you use real scissors with some supervision. >how difficult it to get all the cardboard involved you can even delegate to your shithead friends to print their own army's stuff. The only one holding you back is you.
>>98711096>typical printfag delusionspost a full set of 2nd edition tokens, cards, and templates with timestamp. You have 8h or you're a faggot and you'll never post here again
>>98711077I'm a NEET and I bought a 2nd Edition Starter Set. It's a fucking cool box.
>>98711127I would buy one, but fuck scalper prices and ensuring that it has nothing missing. And that's just the bare minimum, there's also the almost mandatory Dark Millenium expansion
>>98711141>the almost mandatory Dark Millenium expansionnta, but I've heard this before. What makes it so important?
>>98711233>nta, but I've heard this before. What makes it so important?Dark Millennium is essentially the Warhammer Magic supplement to 2nd Edition 40K. It gave a deck of powers to each faction (or multiples - Chaos has four and the Imperium has three!) and introduced a system whereby each player drew from a deck of cards to show how hard the winds of magic blew that turn. Then they could use those cards to power up their psyker's powers or try to nullify those of the enemy.Additionally, it expanded the roolz for Victory Points and included more roolz for vehicles and had extra datafaxes for them.
>>98711233It was pretty much the other half of the game, even if you had the codexes.Just judge for yourself: https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2026/01/28/warhammer-40000-2nd-edition-dark-millenium-expansion-set/Even with the Battle Bible around for the datafaxes, there's lots of cards and templates that need to be in hand to have a proper game of 2nd
>>98711267>>98711287Consider myself educated.
>>98711294What's especially cool is that if you remember the cards for the Imperial powers in Dark Millennium, the same powers show up in SSI's Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate, with mechanics that (try to) match how they worked in the tabletop game.
>>98711113Not going to be near a printer until tomorrow but the items listed in red work for you? The counters are going to be the time consuming part, connecting the thud gun template looks like it'll take a minute too. What are you going to do for me? Something like friendly engagement instead of being snide and bitter about it, not trying to weasel some sort of gottcha about how it doesn't count or whatever?
>>98711340what do you mean? You don't have a professional carboard printer at your home? It's been more than an hour and you didn't even start 3d printing?And you're not even listing all the stuff needed! Don't you dare print stuff in b&w or without the proper images like those PDFs at the Anvil Project.lazy, lazy anon
>>98711379So you're not going to engage faithfully when called on it. Sad.
>>98711127Easily in the top five wargame sets of all time, honestly, only thing that could've made it better is like a cardstock dreadnaught to face against the deff dread maybe, almost perfect starter set otherwise
>>98711383You can't talk about being earnest after pretending that printing a satisfactory set of 2nd accesories is easy and we're lazy for not doing it.It's bullshit, or you have the typical low standards of printfags and /awg/ players
>>98711429Oh you had no intention of accepting anything anyone put forward. Thanks for confirming. You're just a sour grapes sort of guy. I'll make some on my own time and post about it while you continue to mald. :)
>>98711446says the uppity dipshit that posted this >>98711096You get what you deserve, and your likely half-assed attempt at a 2nd ed set will be laughtable and unplayable by anyone with standards.
>>98711476>this mad someone is going to print and play 2nd ed in /grog/ lolKeep going.
>>98704406Check the top of the thread anon, it's already done. I put all the WD RT articles in there as well as all the third party material from the time that I could find.>>98705868Its fun. It's a skirmish game for sure, maybe a dozen figures per side tops. Percentile based, looks more complicated that it actually is. Rules book is a bit of a mess. IIRC it's still in production.
>>98685567>>98686469In case anon missed this
>>98711379>>98711429>>98711476So you were a disengenious faggot all along. Post minis or fuck off already.
Anyone got any interesting lists or wargear combos for 2nd ed?
>>98716160Chaos Lord with every mark of chaos for the LOLs. Give him a jump pack wargear card while you're at it
>>98716514Isn't that just discount abaddon? And I thought chaos couldn't get jump packs in 2nd ed.
>>98716527>discount abaddonYES except he also gets frenzy and is a psyker.>And I thought chaos couldn't get jump packs in 2nd ed.You're correct, but it's a generic wargear card so IDK how you'd wanna rule that
>>98716160Not beardy but just kinda thematic and funny exploitation of how veteran sergeants (all space marine characters really) get access to special weapons. ostensibly so they can take bolters which for characters are a special weapon but...Space Marine Assault combat squad.V.sarge takes a flamerSpecial weapon marine takes a flamer.Everyone also takes hand flamers in addition to their bolt pistols.Throw in some chainswords for cheap parry in close combat if you want, you can still set people on fire with the hand flamers in close combat.Bounce in, Burn Everything. It's overly expensive and largely not good compared to the optimal loadouts. But, fuck it, might be the perfect solution to some players and their love of huge screen units or hiding units.
>>98717740I don't think sergeant can get special weapons, at least not tactical one. I really liked this idea though, always wanted to field multiple flamers per squad. Assault Marines can do that but it gets even more expensive since you'd need to buy whole squad.
>>98717842Over in the codex: ultramarines
>>98716160Wolf Guard with "oops all assault cannons" for maximum chances of losing your friends
>>98717866Ooh can I mix this with Angels of Death codex?
>>98695419Are those two about to kiss?
>>98717994No
>>98717994Technically, >>98718162 is correct, since that entry comes from the Ultramarines Codex, but if you look on page 85 of Angels of Death, you'll see we have a similar entry in our book.If the Veteran Sergeant opts to take a flamer - and he can, since the language of the Second Edition books says "any model" may do so - then he robs one of the squadboyz of his opportunity to take a special weapon. Since a Veteran Sergeant can have a single Wargear Card, though, if you were so inclined, you could use that to buy him a combi-flamer ("Combi-Weapon" is a Wargear Card) for extra burnination.The Combat Squad roolz from White Dwarf basically let you take just five guys instead of ten, and lays out how to make them veterans, devastators, etc. - including the option to upgrade the sergeant to a Veteran Sergeant.
>>98718162Figured as much, why do Ultramarines get better sergeants anyway>>98718214Oh that's right, the combi weapon. You could put 3 flamers into assault squad that way, then split it into two combat squads right. I don't like the idea of sergeant taking special heavy weapon for himself, makes him look like a douche.
>>98717915I thought cyclone missile spam and blowing your wad early was the go?
>>98718425Never thought of that... hmmm>>98718235>Figured as much, why do Ultramarines get better sergeants anywayCodex compliance my dear sunny boy!
