Dark Mirror edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98695415 >Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/JXpc9g>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread Question:We'll probably getting more City of Ash style spearheads with all new stuff. What matchup are you expecting/would like to see
neave snacktalon
>>98701186>TQIdoneth vs Ogors or Kruel boyz. Dem boyz need some fish eating.
>TQ:New Dorfs vs Skaven, themed to be defending a hold on one side, the other retaking it.Sell gangbusters because new Dorfs, and worst case all the Skavenfags will cum themselves at the chance to buy more rats and sell half the box.
>TQCrackship - Kharadron Vs SoulblightBunch of profiteers go raiding an abandoned city and end up waking up it's slumbering undead master(s). Hilarity ensues.
>>98701216>clanshields vs clanratsi see the vision, though i'm not sure what they'd add to the skaven side to make it distinct from the other 3 spearheads they have
>>98701186Why is the redheaded dwarf heroine literally the only figure that isn't disgusting in the new range?
>>98701200>Idoneth vs Kruleboyz
>>98701200IDK bros...why can't our women look like this...
>>98701191Stormcasts can't eat cakes! They're high in carbs and sugars
>TQBlood Knights on Foot vs IDK elite infantry
>>98701186New designed obr mortek guard replacements vs vanguard chamber sce. I get the feeling we're starting to get past the designs they had in the pipeline since late second edition and moving into new designs that will be more traditional given how khalazid holds looks, so I could easily see them backtracking how obr looks.
>>98701279Everyone already wants to fuck Namarti
>>98701286Stop making fun of the fatcast, they're just big boned!
>>98701297Yes Anon, they had all the shit people asked for conviniently stuck in the pipeline and that's why clear respons to people wave we just got had the same style. They're totally changing it in 3 months
Alright now that we've had some time to chew on the reveals, how would >(you) rate the khazalid reveals from worst to best? We've got:>clanshields>clangunners (lasguns)>clangunners (cannons)>cannon>mortar >gholems of gazul>gholems of valaya>valayan guardians>Hjulda (female foot hero)>thryng>runewright>high kyng on landboat>thryng on landboat>random fyreslayer character
>>98701335Character models are all at the top ofArty somewhere in the middle Valaya and cadians in the very bottom
So the new guy's metaplot is "Grungi chose some guy to lead recolonisation of their old home and now they do it"?
>>98701333That's nothing, watch this:
Are there any Fantasy factions and/or that we’re still missing from AoS? Which ones could actually work still translated into it?
>>98701335>clanshields5/10>clangunners (lasguns)5/10>clangunners (cannons)5/10>cannon6/10>mortar6/10 >gholems of gazul8/10>gholems of valaya8/10>valayan guardians7/10>Hjulda (female foot hero)10/10>thryng10/10>runewright8/10>high kyng on landboat7/10>thryng on landboat6/10>random fyreslayer character7/10
>>98701386We don't have talking beavers from Narnia yet.
>>98701396that was Fantasy with a capital f>>98701335>Hjulda Humanmother10>cannon10>Thrynn10~7 for the rest
>>98701405Have some respect for Lewis
>>98701386The one and only thing I want from fantasy are the slimes, but thats a WHFRP thing, and I want them to be much more high fantasy and preferably sentient. Ideally for IDK.
>>98701380dam thatd be a fucking awesome unit
Quality over quantity.
>>98701538I really liked that one kitbash posted here with a slayer being in its gut. I think with some sculpted flames it could be something real special.
So after looking around a bit it seems like the biggest problem have with the new dorfs (aside from the awful guns) is that their armour just looks weird, almost like a cross of kharadron and 40k stuff with pyjamas underneath.One of the little characters on the landboat has an interesting elevated version of the basic design which I really like. Ever so slightly more ornate, more fitting shapes, and especially the little bit of pelt which helps a lot in making it feel less "flak-armour". What do you guys think? Imo this is really just a straight upgrade on the normal clangunner/clanshield armour and would take them from a 4 to a 7 basically instantly. Also I know I keep harping on about this but holy shit just give the female dorfs braids. Look how much better this lass looks compared to the braidless thryng behind her, let alone the awful faces in the clangunners and clanshields.
>>98701553This threads insistence in calling perfectly normal trousers and shirts "pajamas" will never not be confusing for me. It's not pjs just because they aren't wearing full plate, for fucks sake.
>>98701538Quantity has a quality of it's own.Eat 100 Zombies!
>>98701560I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one guy. Pajamas are what the empire troop wears.
>>98701314Nothing was "stuck" in the pipeline, the writing has been on the wall since they launched 4e and squatted all the whfb shit from the game to replace new models with and free them up for TOW reprints, as well as removing sacrosanct. The upcoming rebrand aping The Old World in name is pretty clear that they're trying to realign it with traditional fantasy.For everyone that didn't get a pity hero, if they got a big wave release it was some bullshit focused on refreshing models that have strong whfb ties or a riff on an existing concept. Gitmob, Ogors, Soulblight, Maggotkin, CoS Helsmith and now Khalazid Holds played that shit pretty close to the heart, they're not really new concepts, not a single one feels like something that would have been released in 2e. For the new factions that did get multiple things IDK got a rebranded incarnate that was from scrapped thondia plans and KO got a scrapped warcry warband. CoS killed off the remaining mixed races ideas and is basically is the IG or Empire in AoS now. The endless spells & terrain that came out has likely been designed since malign portents but then they stopped adding them for certain factions like seraphon and helsmiths because why ???.There's a reason there's not many LRL or KB rumors and that's because they likely put the releases for them on hold until they figure out the future plans for the faction's aesthetics. Would not be surprised if they abandon the idea of stormcast chambers and LRL temples in their next tomes.
>>98701569No shit it's 1 guy, this board has like 10 guys total
>>98701586No reading all that faggot.
>>98701508Who knows, they might retrofit the k'daai fireborn into some sort of gholem of hashut unit. It'd be a neat bit of cross-faction continuity.
>>98701553it's because you can see their legs.
>>98701586This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in this forum, and that's a high bar.
>>98701597I do think it's funny that anatomically speaking, most old WHFB dwarfs could not possibly have legs.
>>98701200>idk vs KB box drops>all new units>Look inside>3 heroes (one caster on foot) and endless spells for idk, 3 melee foot heroes and 1 elite hobgrot unit for KB
>6th edition rolls around>CoS are now the posterboys of AoS>Shitcast get sidelined and only get 4 new kits instead of their court mandated 6
>>98701586Profoundly retarded reasoning. Yeah no shit most of the releases we had focused on adding stuff to existing factions instead of creating new ones; that's the way things have been since 3rd edition. It's imo no coincidence that we got our first new tome in like half a decade only after losing another one in beasts. The 3 year cycle can't really sustain more than ~24 tomes for AoS. This has nothing to do with realigning the game to fantasy or keeping things on hold for 5th edition or whatever, it's simply the way things have been going for the past 5 years. 1st and 2nd was them shitting out new armies every other release, 3rd and 4th is them consolidating those. Unless you're idoneth in which case fuck you.Also you're just kinda wrong too? The nurgle wave was a significant shift in aesthetic, one away from the whfb one at that. Also there's a lot you can say about helsmiths but "played that shit pretty close to the heart" ain't one of them>would not be surprised if they abandon the idea of LRL temples next editionLmao how the fuck would that even work? Stormcast sure, the chamber shit is kind of tacked on anyway but the temples are a core part of lumineth both in terms of lore, gameplay, and aesthetics. You're just saying shit to say shit.
>>98701635Praying to the ruinous fucking powers that be that Khorne goes all in on more mesoamerican style aesthetics and if not just do SOMETHING that doesn't feel like gunless World Eaters.
>>98701647I think the shield kncukles kinda helps in that department but yeah I wouldn’t mind a more meso-American approach.
>>98701279Because they have broken souls!
>>98701635>>98701601>>98701591the face of cope
>>98701186Bull centaurs are such dope ass models
>>98701698>no arguments after getting btfoI accept your concession
>The Incarnates that haunt the Krondspine Range are terrifying entities - creations of pure Ghurish energy, protected by monstrous bones and guided by a bestial intellect. In their presence, reason crumbles; the minds of mortals are filled with savagery, and wild energies are unleashed with furious abandon. Even once tamed and bound by powerful heroes, these mighty Incarnates constantly strain to unleash their unstoppable might on the worldIt’s kino like this that reminds you of the soul and potential this setting has. We need more like this.
>>98701774Cool concept and very cool art. But their implementation was such a fuckup.
>>98701615The Duardin™ should have been Chilean™
>>98701191>she didn't tipI KNEW she was evil>>98701560It's pajamas when it's AOSWhen it's TOW it's based and landsknecht core>>98701615This is a bad thing unless CoS regain their multiracial identity>>98701774>>98701843The mini was an overly ambitious nightmare but the fluff is cool
Anon...Why didn't you save him...?
>>98701217> That image> Smash Mouth starts playingsomeBODY ONCE TOLD ME
>>98701912>When it's TOW it's based and landsknecht coreIt's kinda funny how people always post the greatswords instead of the dogshit state troops which have faces like monkeys and one of the models is literally barefoot for some fucking reason
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uNM6BZvW2Gwso do stormcast just not know each other
>prefer aos models/fluff>prefer fantasy gameplayit's hard out here, bros!
>>98702004>Thinking all Stormcast know each otherThat's castist dude
>>98701912>This is a bad thing unless CoS regain their multiracial identityThat sounds like a bad thing
>>98702125Multiracial as in elfs dwarfs humans
>>98702134I know, but maybe I’m just envisioning it differently from you are
>>98702011Nohing wrong with liking rank and flank, though I prefer other raf games over fantasy.
>>98701992because the greatswords don't look like absolute shit. But yeah, the basic foot troops look like depressed homeless men conscripted into service.
>>98702125>That sounds like a bad thingYou'd think so, right? And yet...
>>98702245Remember what they took from you.
>>98702134>Multiracial as in elfs dwarfs humansNOT ON MY WATCH.
>>98702332You're right. Bring back halflings!
CoS should be for humans and HUMANS only.Refugees can fuck off.
>>98701299
Is GW going to squat the Idoneth? They haven't had a new unit since the first wave.
>>98702466I didnt know namarti like you could type.
>>98702466>since the first waveSay that again.
>>98702430sorry, but I genuinely cannot suspend my disbelief to have fantasy racism while not having normal racismit just sounds completely absurd to imagine it coming out of these people
>>98702476well they do, its just directed at darkoath.
>>98702467do idoneth write in bass-relief so namarti can read it? do idoneth write normally so namarti can't read? is lotann hateful towards namarti for choosing to write in a way they can't read?
>>98702430Get back to work, James, the TOWddlers are going nuts without Kislev, lack of parity with TWW won't do.
>>98702476>>98702430
>>98701335How do you manage to fuck up dwarves so bad?
Helsmiths are an overgrown Fyreslayer lodge if you think about it.Urak Taar started his recruitment from them
>>98702560the only unit that doesnt pass muster are the basic troops, and mostly they just have the sin of being boring, not outright badpretty much everything else is good, except the one head option for the shieldmaidens with the bun, those dont look good, but just put the crest heads on there and they're great
>>98702547
>>98702582Kek
>>98702476Are you saying that chuds everywhere wouldn't lose their fucking minds if elves or dwarves existed in real life.
>>98702560Good question. What do you believe they fucked up?
>>98702605I'm saying blacks would still be discriminated first and foremost.
>>98702616Just like we eat negros and let pigs vote because of their skin?
>>98702620>because of their skin?no, because of their crimes rates
>>98702622Is there anything to suggest darkies have a higher crime rate than palefaces in the Mortal Realms?
>>98702563the culture existed since before fyreslayers were a thing, then disappeared when hashut was cast down, then reappeared during the age of chaos, in both renegade dwarf holds and renegade slayers.only kharadrons are pure.
>>98702640it's either that or we have to accept that there are no black people in aos and only a fantasy race that superficially looks like them
>>98702622So you do actually let pigs vote? Paraguay is an Amazing country
>>98702650Literally everyone in AoS (and WHFB, and 40k) is a fantasy race that superficially resembles a real world race, except the ones that are totally made up.
>>98702677>a non-criminal-negro is as fantastical as an elf
>>98701553I hope that model has a proper bearded option.
>>98702698Good chances of it, if it was exclusively a female model it would have had a shaped breastsplate.But also what's the point of having a character on a throne if it's not sitting on that throne? Valankrom looks generic enough anyway, also easy to cut off the crown and slap your own topper on it.
>>98702710The fact the alternative generic hero is standing rather than sitting makes it good to get a spare character on foot.
>>98702710>Hashur statue removed from the decoration thingOk. This is Kino
I think I can put up with the shitty infantry since everything else looks nice.
>>98702692Your statement, not mine.
>just noticed the mortar uses the same ammunition even though it's clearly too small.Man it really was an afterthought.
>>98702743if you disagree and think one is more fantastical than another then surely you can understand how a normal human in a fantasy setting is less fantastical than a non-criminal negro in a fantasy setting.
>>98702746It’s magical ammo or some shit on the stream that can be smithed into different types. So yeah they were lazy about it.
>>98702746The hexagonal stone bits? They wouldn't seal in a "right sized" barrel anyway, so even ignoring the enchanter standing there and doing glowy stuff to the ammo there's clearly magic involved.
>>98702750Then again how hard can it be to sculpt your own rock balls out of foam or something? This might be an easy fix.
>>98702746I'm assuming that's the raw material from which they magically shape the ammunition, rather than the ammunition itself, after all it's just basalt columns removed from the immediate surroundings.Also I see jes goodwin's hand in the concept work, he's the one insisting that magical users in tune with the earth must have naked feet.
>>98702756I think I came.
>>98702756I thought that was a guy before but it's actually a barefoot priest woman(runenun?)Dangerously degenerate.
>>98702748No more than I find the idea of a Chinaman who can maintain an empire and a superior fighting force to their European contemporaries fantastical, I suppose.
>>98702761There's a male one on the ship, also with bare feet, but they're both very different in how they look compared to the normal runewrights/smiths/priests, so I'd think they're their own group of geomancers or something like that.Both have the same downward fork rune on their staff.
>>98702777When you think about it the guy who can move an entire rockboat on his own is easily the most powerful dude on the ship yet he's not in charge.How humble of him.
>>98702784I wouldn't take for granted that he does the heavy lifting in that, the other 2 magical dwarfs may also be contributing or the boat might go on from way older enchantments, but you know you're business when the supreme high king of all shortstacks lets you step on his ship with your dirty feet.
>>98702784The throne is still carried by the thronebearers, you just can't see them under the ground they're moving.
>>98702813Diglets?
>>98702710I wonder if the dragon heads are meant to connect with dracothion somehow.
>>98701186Soon
>>98702814that's a slur in dwarf culture
>>98702813God damn, the absolute gigamogging.
A pair of considerations:>the gholems being this small, and only being for gazul and valaya, leave the room for a way larger version meant for grugni and maybe grimnir, and if grimnir is a version of that construct then fyreslayers may stay part of this book long term or get that as a regiment of renown>the basic infantry is ugly and unfit for all purposes EXCEPT the one of acting as bridge between the elite khazalite units and the kharadrons, and that may mean gw keeps the option open for souping the ranges together beyond an army of renown
>>98702822Well, it is now.
>>98702852Also can we take a moment to appreciate these lizards without having an argument about malaysian dragons for once?
>>98702852Fyreslayers really pop next to the more muted colors of the new Dwarfs, they actually look good next to each other.
>>98702865for example the new young droth made me notice that the bigger one has 2 different necks for whether you want it inflating its magmasacs or not
>>98702822
>>98702865god, they're so cool
>>98702865If I hugged it would I die?
>>98702734They don’t look like that sadly
>>98702865We really need an upgrade sprue for more posing (and a female hero)
>>98702916Close enough under the armor
>>98702476Racism is a modern concept, previously humanity was divided by religion chiefly. There are plenty of instances of crusaders getting along with Arab Christians, of African Christians being embraced by England, etc. There are black saints, black Turkish Arthurian Knights, etc. It's anachronistic to project modern racism onto a at most 15th century world, one which includes living gods who have created races not together but in isolation. You're an uneducated amerimut. Read a book. >b-b-but I would be racist in that world! I know I would, it's my whole personality!
>>98702467>>98702481>>98702534>>98702547>>98702582>>98702748>>98702769Anon… lol
>>98702924no amount of upgrade sprues will be enough or practical to change the posing of the body, and that's the main part that will make them look alike on the table, otherwise they're in a good enough neutral pose for 2 or 3 of them to be on one table with little issues, but being neutral makes them poor centerpieces, so I'd say the ideal solution is having a completely separate kit for some more special characters on a differently posed and maybe older looking magmadroth so you can have 5 or 6 in total between the first ones and the latter ones with little to no problems.I can imagine one coiled around a volcanic outcrop, a bit like in pic related, ridden by either bael grimnir, his daughter, or a generic option meant to represent one of his other sons or some other hold's champion, with the droth itself having at most a choice of head+neck to make it look to the left or to the right (so the miniature will look very different because the whole model will be turned and seen from a different angle)make these ancient magmadroths a bit fatter and with longer quills crests and reptilian whiskers and slayers would be set for a long time in the droth department, I say
>>98702955>no amount of upgrade sprues will be enough or practical to change the posing of the bodyTail, legs, necks, heads are all separate retard. They are a tiny part of the sprue, another would give options to alter the pose entirely
Do we know when the Seraphon Battletome is releasing?
>>98702941>Racism is a modern conceptit really isn't, and you can't possibly compare the tolerance of people towards individual exceptional oddities to the one towards entire communities that try to live even remotely close.
>>98702941Retarded pop culture-level understanding of historyThe Romans literally called black people Aethiops, meaning 'burnt face'. One emperor saw a black dude for the first time and thought it was an omen of his deathPeople absolutely categorised others by race and lineage, it was just that they hadn't travelled around quite so much as to make a comprehensive catalogue
>>98702941You are entirely wrong and retarded. Racism extends all the way back to the time of the ancient Greeks and even before. To claim that it didn’t exist just because some wholesome niggos were accepted here and there or because people weren’t constantly at each others throats over it is the kind of thing that shows you need to take your own advice. Your own premise is so retarded on its face it’s hard to even take seriously. I have to assume you’re trolling because holy shit there cannot be someone as retarded as you still breathing.
It's a shame AoS didn't get an RPG but I suppose cubicle 7 have the rights. You could actually sell the setting with something like that. No one gives a shit about an unofficial RPG, but a new official product with minis would work most of all because d&d guys would want the minis.
Man the fags sure love to circle jerk
>>98702965No.
>>98702976Read a book nigger. Roman slaves didn't become citizens? Roman legions were composed entirely of Italian ancestry soldiers, right? Why were the Samnites killed? The colour of their skin? Just admit you don't know anything. You'd like to think racism is universal, you think it surely must be but that's it.
Why couldn't they just give them mail hauberks?High quality photoshop squatting for illustrative purposes
>>98702965before December
the bait is particularly low effort tonight I must say
>>98702965Since they've shown it during this reveal stream it means that it's coming out before the next reveal show, which is probably the new year one.Rumormongers say dwarfs would come out first, but it's questionable whether they mean the army set or the full release wave.The ogres reveal in the big summer preview came at the end of june.The ogres army box came 3-4 weeks later.The rest of the ogres came out roughly another month after that.Giants after another month, shortly before the following reveal stream.So we're looking at dwarfs coming out in october, the rest in november, lizards in december, unless the fact they've shown lizards now instead of some later monday reveal means they're coming out very soon before dwarfs, and the dwarf releases are instead postponed to attract christmas-time purchases.
>>98702981But soulbound is a thing and the miniatures already exist?
>>98701186Very strange that AoS has some truly inspired factions like Kharadron overlords and Ossiarch bone reapers, and then there's by the numbers guys like the new dwarves. I mean imagine the opportunities of a faction that has spent thousands of years sealed in their hold. Something truly strange should emerge! One idea I for example came up with would be that they hybridized with olms so instead of beards they'd have the olm ear things growing in their chin.
>>98703005Or the lizard and the dwarf box are coming close to one another, regardless of the later full dwarf wave, after all lizards are a small release and I doubt there's much overlap between customers for these two factions.
I wonder what the demographics of this place looks like for the activity to always see a boost around this time
>>98703010It's because it doesn't matter how special your setting is, if it's the preeminent fantasy one then people are always going to expect the basic fantasy staples to be at least present.
>>98703006No one gives a shit about a third party RPG. It's already non-canon. >miniatures already existIn Darkwater? There's no rpg session in a box product like Necromunda is getting.
>>98703015Lots of mystery meat mongrels going by the pol brainrot.
>>98703010>has spent thousands of years sealed in their holdyeah, but that's the opposite of their fluff
>>98703010KO should have evolved air sacks for floatation and wings
>>98703035They do have wings under the hlemets, like Asterix
>>98703041they have feather beards and bird ears though
my KO are like little grey men under the helms because they rejected all forms of evolution due to fears of tzeentch corruption. eventually this was used to discriminate every difference be it eye colour or skin tone until they became ubiquitous grey things with identical features the great thing about AoS is that it's so open that my guys can coexist with everything else
>>98701299>>98702461
>>98702992You dumbass, citizenship might have been a kind of formal legal equality, but the notion that outsiders (especially those only recently brought into the fold of the empire) were considered social/cultural equals to the founders of the empire is delusional
>>98703054>ayylamo-dron>from Azyr
>>98703079Ruling casts are well known for finding kinship in even the poorest people of the same ancesty, rather than whoever has a comperable amount of wealth, regardlss where they're from
>>98703079plebs had a vote in their assembly, it's why populists were routinely murdered
>>98703079And that was based on race? Romans protested non-Romans as in Italians getting the vote. It's not a matter of ethnicity. Rome was an oligarchy and the oligarchs hated everyone else, regardless of their race.
>>98703102rome was white and the rest of italy was southern brown types. rome traces its origins back to white greecians who trace theirs back to ancient aryans it was racism obviously
>>98701279They haven’t found a fish worth shagging.
>>98703010>I want my dwarfs to be completely original, adapted to the darkness and eyeless
wanderer beggars outside of khazalite holds
>>98703119Yooo this is fucking sick.
>>98703079Not only that, but they especially looked down on MENAs in particular and were very openly hostile to them, even more-so than normal. It even took one of them getting in to give everyone Roman citizenship.
The squatted models absolutely mog what's stayingI'll just run this as proxies tbhon
>>98703119I like the way the owl and the skelly look at each other, like they know the beggar is saying an enormous amount of bullshit and aren't getting out of the situation this time.
>>98703127what are the squatted ones again? aside from the basic vulkites?
>>98703131Runemaster Battlesmith Doomseeker Grimwrath
>>98703132Wait the banner is staying huh
>>98703132Runemaster is the only real loss here
>>98703143You have to pick one melee hero and you're selecting Mr Robotnik?
>>98703127Those weapons never made sense to me.Seems like a great way to whip yourself in the face, set your beard on fire and/or do the same to the three nearest guys in your own formation.Also, a Fyreslayer army must have been accompanied by an eye-watering stench of burning hair.
>>98703148He's the newest, isn't from a side game and has an unique pose
>>98703148>moustache instead of long braided beard >no rings >no crest>tactical rock >basically no runes what a blunder
>>98703155>Seems like a great way to whip yourself in the faceSkill issue unironically
>>98703158
>>98703162Grimnir returns so there's no need to use ur gold they're just normal runes now
>>98703155Anon dislikes Slayer Doomseekers flailing everything around themselves now with burning weapons?
>>98703132RIP FYREKYNGS
So with TLW confirmed, is it Age of Sigmar: The Last World or Warhammer: The Last World? Going back to not!WHFB 2.0 is daft but whatever. As for new models, all good bar the guns. What were they thinking. Like I've thought of this as a design for dwarf guns before but instead of making them chunky, they did leaf blower.
>>98701386Really just the male dark elves
>>98703132>no doomseeker>no grimmwrath>no runemasterwhy in the flying fuck would they squat the best heroes and remove the worst just because they were the latest?
Wait, did SoB releas already?
>>98703234The best hero stays
>>98703237
>>98703238select goofy face ctrl+cctrl+v that'll be £50k per anum
>>98703238>>98703158all the new dwarfs have little moustaches, that's just how AoS Dorfs are
>Tetaxi has had his mind blasted by a series of cosmic secrets and terrible visions, the most foreboding of which insisted that a Great Fall was approaching that would alter the nature of reality forever>that a Great Fall was approachingIt's over, AoSbros... We lost.
>>98703252Not helping your case lill bro
>>98703245I thought he was in Minecraft for a second
>>98702822Where's this from
>>98702874Giant fire dragon pops regardless of what he's standing next to
>>98703272helsmiths battletome
>>98703279Did someone put a Sovl filter on it? I don't remember black and white pics like this
>>98703258This means nothing we had a great fall every edition It actually means even less because Lizardmen are fucking useless
>>98703299>It actually means even less because Lizardmen are fucking useless'ad a giggle because the most they did was just get one of their slaan killed in...2nd edition? idk.
>>98703299
>>98703127The only squatted models in your picture are the two heroes up top. You can definitely run Vulkites as Clanshields, though.
>>98701186>picWell at least the new dorfs are better than the helsmiths
>>98703308>>98703299>destroys a Silver Tower, totally cucking a Gaunt Summoner out of existence and cucking Tzeentch for centuries>keeps Kragnos in a perpetual war so he can't go and fuck anything else up (terrible character anyway)>saved Alarielle>prevented Alarielle from going emo-rage mode>set up entire nations so Sigmar could farm them into SCE>Saved Excelsis by yeeting Kragnos to another place (Morathi also helped)The only thing they didn't do was go through with why the Seraphon were stealing Aqualiths from CoS settlements and basically dooming everybody to death/corruption.
>>98703308They blew up a silver tower which in turn fueled the dark skies which in turn fueled the Skaven
>>98703143True. Though probably they'll just promote the Flamekeeper to full priesthood, it was always weird that he was this very strong but no-prayers support hero, felt like it was only done to not step on the Runesmiter/Runemasters toes too much.
>>98703330No
>>98703351>constructs are better>artillery is better>heroes are better>Centerpieces are about equal>infantry equally shitSorry but they win this round
>>98703357There's no world where Stormcasts wearing green trenchcoats are better constructs than battle cattle
>>98703337There is zero reason the lizardmen should’ve let Slaanesh’s twins be born they didn’t even bother to try to stop it. So now not only is his bonds going to be weakened faster order itself has a greater demon duo specifically dedicated to making humans racists against elves. I’m not even joking after gettting banished that was the conclusion they came up with
>>98703019That's what Shadows over Hammerhal was anon
>>98703132I get that they're trimming down the Fyreslayers bloated roster of foot heroes a little given that they don't have to hold up a whole army anymore, but it's funny that they're still gonna have way more heroes than the Khazalites for a while. The new Dwarfs have, what? Two generic foot heroes, one foot special character, and the throne? I guess they just wanted to bring Fyreslayers down to only having twice as many characters instead of 3x.
>>98703364Atleast they have some stat sheets and rules they can kit bash count as models and convert. Most factions don’t get that
>>98703362Seraphon could, ultimately, decide that having the twins about is more of a issue for Chaos than them not. Since they will also fight Chaos just as much as non-Chaos.
>>98703378Oh Khazlite Holds in general is an easy proxy fest. Run Vulkites as Clanshields, run Dispossessed as Clanshields or Valayan Guard, run Thunderers or Thunderers (KO) or Irondrakes as Clangunners, run your Grimwrath as a Thayne, Run the Runemaster or Runesmith as the new wizard guy, etc etc. Dwarfs are so interchangeable in general, and with armies of renown you can chuck KO into the mix easily, so the options are endless.
>>98703337>>set up entire nations so Sigmar could farm them into SCEOne of the funniest bits of worldbuilding to come out of Soulbound is that the Seraphon uplifted the entire Agloraxi civilization as a roundabout way of outsourcing the production of a magnifying lens they wanted to use for a big telescope.
>>98702710I think the boat is really fucking cool but it's probably going to look a good bit worse when normal people paint it without eavy metal tier marble effects
>>98703362>There is zero reason the lizardmen should’ve let Slaanesh’s twins be bornThey only got birthed as a side effect of morathi's ascension, and her ascension is part of the plan, as was the annexation of anvilgard, even if I'm sympathetic with the hatred the fangs of sotek have for that worm.
>>98703215It'll probably not be renamed and it'll mean fuckall. Age of Sigmar will be set in the last world instead of in the mortal realms.
>>98703215It stays age of sigmar, everything up until the last world gets renamed into being called the age of myth
>>98702865>baby droth has spinning running along the whole back>juvenile droth only has spines in the front>adult droth has spines in the front and back but with a gap in the middle Boy the norwood reaper sure affects droths in a weird way
>>98703238the fyreslayer heroes are all so similar that you can use any of them to proxy any other ones if you like the models.
>>98702865They look nice. And I suppose some anons must be happy, because tiny droths has been a thing I've seen them ask for since the faction launched. Although, I dunno why the only creature concepts anyone could think of for Fyreslayers was just different sizes of magmadroths. There's gotta be other stuff that could be pitched for them that wouldn't break theme.
>>98703598As an actual fyreslayer enjoyer they're all pretty distinct to me.
>>98703598Yes, i too can't tell the difference between a warrior and a priest
>>98703215The last world won't be an actual name change as far as we know. >>98703219Great diorama of already great modelsMaybe the best underworlds warband?
>>98703215The Last World is just a gimmick name like Broken Realms and Soulwars were in 2 edition, you won't really see it on the logo or store-page.
>>98703599I always asked for golems with lava theme and maiden valkyries, we are now getting both alongside baby droth. Some people in these threads would always disagree with me about female dwarf warriors, but hey seems my desire wasn't far off.
>>98703299>>98703308>>98703337>>98703362>>98703434They also cucked and messed around with Nurgle in that one Reynolds book which was really cool
>>98703648i dont mean the warriors vs the priests jackass. you know what i mean. a runesmiter vs a runemaster vs a flamekeeperor a runefather vs a runeson (the same model with an armswap)or a grimwrath vs a doomseeker vs an exile. they're all similar enough to others in their role that if all those entires were simply condensed down to king, priest and berserker, you could easily proxy several different models for the same datasheet
>>98702734Nice
>>98702865How sturdy is the skin between their spines that they can put big gold stamped runes on them?
>>98703337Does anybody have the pic where kroak is angling morathi for keagnos?>>98703680I can see it being the name of the 5th edition starter box. Though the finance guys might think it's too close to The Old World and want to avoid confusion. That’s why it'll never be the name of the actual game too.
>>98703068Cute!
>>98703215Shut the fuck up.
>>98703599>There's gotta be other stuff that could be pitched for them that wouldn't break theme.sword&sorcery-style pterosaursfantasy versions of boars, bears, bulls, rhinos, and my favourite would be features of any of those onto a tortoise frame
>>98703693Yeh sure if you group them into much smaller groups than maybe they can look similar. Too bad you said something much more general
>>98703599Goopy magma elementals!
tfw we ran out of urgold
>>98703775yeah, i guess if you're a dishonest faggot who's trying to take the most bad faith interpretation of what i posted to twist it into a spiteful gotcha on an anonymous forum for achtshually points i could see how you could think that.but thats not you right?
>>98703797That's good, it means they're closer to resurrecting grimnir
>>98703328Hence their inclusion in the picture?
>>98703599>>98703737There's whatever the fuck these four-winged flying things are in the background
>we want the generic audience
>>98703814The fact the Fyreslayers never realized they're probably not going to resurrect Grimnir but instead the giant divine godbeast Grimnir died to slay is hilarious to me
Someone in the marketing department has a huge hard on for choral throat singing, and it's pretty cool.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtsxJlLVVwkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E10PkVk5AZ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOrPEVk9Zx8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5w5HQuv-GQ
>>98703849I think the most interesting option is that grimnir and vulcatrix come out merged into a single entity like you can see implied in some of the statues here. Maybe a little bit more interesting than just a droth-minotaur thing though.Sidenote but fyreslayers have always had kino as fuck art (and lore) despite being fucked over hard in the range department. Especially when it comes to magmaholds, I love the sheer enormity. Reminds me of some of the old whfb castle depictions which were also gargantuan.
>>98703849Yeah, they just coincidentally bonded with vulcatrix's spawn, right? Anon, they know it'll bring back both that's the whole basis for the entire faction.
>>98703863Ironically with no White Scars releases.
>>98703881>Kevin Chin isn't doing art for Dorfs anymore>But he probably is a concept artist for them Gain or loss?
>>98703886>Yeah, they just coincidentally bonded with vulcatrix's spawn, right?They found that the spawn were strangely amenable to them after they started the practice of Ur-Gold engravings. Pretty sure you're supposed to pick up on the clue there that it's not Grimnir, the mortal enemy of Vulcatrix, that lives in the Ur-Gold. The Fyreslayers are convinced it's Grimnir, not Vulcatrix they're reviving.>they know it'll bring back both that's the whole basis for the entire faction.No, I'm pretty sure they don't know that. It's all a wild guess on their part what using up all the Ur-Gold will do. There's no guarantee that a lesser, mortal god like Grimnir can even be revived, but a divine elemental godbeast native to the Realms is much more likely to be something that can be resurrected through sorcery like they're performing.
>>98703894How long has he been doing concept art for GW?
>>98703849They know, they just don't consider the consequances
>>987039093 years ago? He mentioned in a podcast 2 years ago that it was a shift that happened earlier
>>98703908>No, I'm pretty sure they don't know thatThey save Ignax knowing. UW art has them blessed by Ignax too.
>The duardin that freed her wishes to see her burn bright once more
Justify the dead of this whole army without a subjective opinion
>>98703963>DeadAnon, 5 months from now I guarantee the number of Fyreslayers hitting tables will be an all time high for AoS.
>>98703963They had basically a single schtick going for them and that's just not enough to build a whole army around. Even building a faction around the idea of all the different slayer types that existed in Fantasy would have given them more variety than the Fyreslayers ever had.
>>98703963They didn't sell
>>98703942Different godbeast innit
>>98701232Pestilence box like City of Ash. There's also the leak they're coming end of edition
>>98703908>There's no guarantee that a lesser, mortal god like Grimnir can even be revivedNTA but two things Death to a god regardless of their elemental, conceptual, or just a state of existence is superfluous. To truly kill a god you have to wipe them from memory, even gods with largely no following have power and influence over various things, and we all know the saying “what is death to a god of death?” Two, the Aelven gods are not conceptual they are just as much gods in the same way that Grimnir is and they themselves explicitly exist in cycles. It’s why Khaine even has power to be stolen and the fact that his power is being stolen is what’s preventing his reformation. My personal belief is that Griminir and Vulvatrix basically fucked each other to death and who or whatever is revived in any case that it does happen will be neither Griminir or Vulcatrix
>>98703015Lots of aryan beasts going by the redditor dilation
>>98703963Here's your (you). They're getting a new spearhead & will definitely be usable in the new army. If anything they're getting the best push they could.
>>98703977why did you randomly post my wife
>>98704012Because she's really pretty
>>98703977>>98704012>>98704015Ushoran quit posting
>>98701843>>98701912I honestly kind of liked their model but it definitely should have looked more like that image depicted it
>>98703982It's the spawn of vulcatrix mate Fyreslayers respect vulcatrix as a co-deity and an emblem for a good fight
>>98704026No
>>98703982Ignax is a zodiacal child of Vulcatrix, same with Behemat and Ymnog or Argentine and Dracothion
>>98703995>Death to a god regardless of their elemental, conceptual, or just a state of existence is superfluous. Not true at all. If you killed Sigmar he'd be gone for good. No amount of belief can resurrect him because he, like all >Two, the Aelven gods are not conceptual they are just as much gods in the same way that Grimnir is and they themselves explicitly exist in cycles. It’s why Khaine even has power to be stolen and the fact that his power is being stolen is what’s preventing his reformation. Aelven gods work by different rules than other gods though. They don't 'resurrect,' they mantle archetypes and roles. Alarielle is just Ariel 2.0, and Ariel was just another elf to take the role of nature goddess. Khaine is well and truly dead beyond recovery, but anyone could take his role if they met the requirements. Morathi is just borrowing the power of his corpse but she's becoming her own goddess, and Morai-Heg (who is slowly being mantled by Krethusa) is a little pissed about that and is currently working to oust Morathi from the cult so that a true Incarnate of Khaine can arise.
>The "Last World" is just a cohesive globe in the center of the Mortal Realms and since it's all nice and virginal all the grand alliances wanna have a slice>Like 6-7 years have passed, not centuries>All gods & named characters are still alive>Effectively nothing has changed except there's a battleworld now
>>98704053That sounds alright.
>>98704053Somehow this sounds even worse
>>98704053The current rumors make it all way more apocalyptic but I would enjoy it way more if the battleworld wasn't the only place but just the only stable place and we can still traverse the ephemeral landscapes of the rest of the realms, maybe to go from realmgate to realmgate or look for weird resources
>>98704067I think because it is objectively worse. It's a total copout. Even as terrible as the original vision for The Last World was, this is even dumber and makes the entire thing a colossal waste of time
>>98703663Cool models. Makes me wish Eshin got more spotlight these days.
>>98704082?
>>98704082Anon?
>>98704082>he is unaware
>>98704082Tung tung tung
>>98704089>>98704117>>98704122>>98704133Lore wise, I mean
>>98704160Eshin single-handedly defeated Nagash's plan to destroy the Realms and are also infiltrating Sigmar's own palace with spies, I think Eshin is doing fine in terms of spotlight
>>98704160they were instrumental in both halting nagash at the dread solstice and causing the chain explosions in the silver towers to cause the cursed skies
>>98703117I mean Idoneth are inspired despite some of their unfortunate sculpts so.....
>>98704160New Eshin character did literally everything Skaven did since 1e and is the strongest Skaven ever
>>98704209unfortunately he's not the rat who did the black pyramid bombing I wish he wasmaybe they'll find a way to connect him to it in the future somehow, like saying he was the one who survived the mission or something
>thorgrim back in azyr>just as skaven are poised to infiltrate it and blow everything up againKek he's totally leaving the door open and getting stabbed in the back a second tims
>>98704051>Not true at all. If you killed Sigmar he'd be gone for good. No amount of belief can resurrect him because he, like allActually true because Sigmar is the same kind of god that Nagash is, not to mention the fact that Morr could literally be eaten by Nagash and subsumed into a separate and living crystallization of worship but still be alive is even more proof of that. Death is just a state to a god it is not a final end. Even Mathlaan who’s apparently the deadest god of all time still has fragments of his essence and consciousness drifting the seas and interacting with people. >They don't 'resurrect,' they mantle archetypes and roles.This is a distinction without a difference because gods are not bound to a singular god head. Nagash the black priest is as much as Nagash the Undying King is Nagash. Just so, Sigmar IS a literal heavenly bull for Ghurrites just as much as he is the God-King.>Khaine is well and truly dead beyond recovery, but anyone could take his role if they met the requirementsIncluding Khaine himself, his respawn timer is indefinitely paused until his heart runs dry and considering how retardly homicidal Morathi’s snake half his I wouldn’t be surprised if he reincarnates through her. If the true worship of koans returned and the heart was left to its own devices he would be reborn for the next part of his cycle.
>>98704287It really is funny that everytime they bring up my boy Mathy they really gotta tell you how dead he is lmaoo
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xs1tvmjx/sunday-preview-made-to-ork-der/>Here at Warhammer Community, we have more of our own Tone Pro coverage with input from some of our favourite community painters, as well as new miniatures reveals and a quarterly update for Warhammer Age of Sigmar.Oh yeah, we're due for a balance update. Didn't even cross my mind.
>Here at Warhammer Community, we have more of our own Tone Pro coverage with input from some of our favourite community painters, as well as new miniatures reveals and a quarterly update for Warhammer Age of Sigmar.have they forgotten to use the Oxford comma or are there even more reveals for aos?
>>98704303I hope they don't bring him back, it's more soulful for the idoneth to be truly without divine patronage. The one guy looking out for them is dead, and the best they can do it conjure psychic echoes of him.Fuck idoneth are so cool bros.
>>98704340Underworlds?
>>98704287>Morr could literally be eaten by Nagash and subsumed into a separate and living crystallization of worship but still be alive is even more proof of that.Morr was never eaten by Nagash dumbass. He's the one death god that got away and remains in hiding.>Death is just a state to a god it is not a final endOnly elemental gods like Chaos and Gorkamorka can shrug off death. Mortal gods don't have that luxury and are very killable unless they use some sort of magic to restore themselves. Nagash, for instance, bound his existence to his pyramid like a phylactery, something he can only do thanks to being undead. He doesn't die, he gets his current manifestation destroyed and his soul returns to his temple to slowly rebuild his body. But if you destroyed his temples and hideouts, he would no longer be able to regenerate and he would be dead for good.>This is a distinction without a difference because gods are not bound to a singular god head. Nagash the black priest is as much as Nagash the Undying King is Nagash. Just so, Sigmar IS a literal heavenly bull for Ghurrites just as much as he is the God-King.Worship of Sigmar in any form is worship of Sigmar, yes, congratulations on pointing out the obvious. This has nothing to do with the Aelven gods, for whom worship of Alarielle is worship not just of the mortal goddess Alarielle but also of the nature goddess Alarielle has mantled. Alarielle will eventually perish and a new successor will incarnate as the Aelven nature goddess, receiving the same godhead Alarielle once carried by name and body.
>>98704352I wouldn’t mind it I hate how deep the Idoneth are in the cuck closet GW can’t decide if they’re NEETS who fucking hate everything or NEETS who knows everything about them sucks and they are five seconds away from getting genocided for it
>Including Khaine himself, his respawn timer is indefinitely paused until his heart runs dry and considering how retardly homicidal Morathi’s snake half his I wouldn’t be surprised if he reincarnates through her.There is no respawn timer dumbass. Khaine is dead-dead. Someone has to step up to take his place or the Aelves will never get a true war god, but Morathi has been careful to destroy anyone who could potentially threaten her parasitic hold over the cult including potential candidates for reincarnation. Morathi can't mantle Khaine because she represents a lie, a stain on Khaine's honor. Her path to godhood was through the consumption of the souls of the Phoenix Kings and the betrayal of her only true love, which makes her a goddess, yes, but not a goddess of war. We don't know precisely what domain she represents, but she's closer to a monstrous beast at heart, a daemon of Aelven creation that grasps for power by any means, even the most unspeakable crimes of deception and betrayal.
>>98704235Headcanon he is and GW cab't change it
>>98704366>There is no respawn timer dumbass. Khaine is dead-dead.if morathi wasn't syphoning the heart it would have swelled with power until khainr just stood back up with all the worship it was getting
>>98704377>if morathi wasn't syphoning the heart it would have swelled with power until khainr just stood back up with all the worship it was gettingNo you fucking retard, read the DoK BT. It is made expressly clear that Khaine is DEAD, not just kinda dead like Nagash getting his body blown up but DEAD. His heart does not have the ability to 'swell with power,' all it can do is bleed. It's a remnant of a dead god, not the last living part of him. Morathi has been lying to the cult since the day she started it all as an easy excuse to gain mortal followers, telling them about prophecies Khaine tells her but in actuality she's just using regular divination spells and Khaine has no voice at all.
>>98704337Will the new minis being shown off be for AoS?
>>98704340I wouldn't count on it being for us after we got the most amount of reveals in the show. Inb4 that wasn't all of the seraphon stuff.
>>98704418The grammar in the post seems to imply it.
>>98704362>Morr was never eaten by Nagash dumbass. He's the one death god that got away and remains in hiding.So Nagash-Morr is a false flag I guess >Only elemental gods like Chaos and Gorkamorka can shrug off death. Except Aelf gods, and death gods, and gods, and… also I’m not buying into this “mortal” distinction of a god you keep using. >Nagash, for instance, bound his existence to his pyramid like a phylactery, something he can only do thanks to being undead. So what’s the excuse for death gods not truly dying? >This has nothing to do with the Aelven gods, for whom worship of Alarielle is worship not just of the mortal goddess Alarielle but also of the nature goddess Alarielle has mantled. This is literally the case for all gods and if this was true to the extent that you say it is you could worship Khaine and not Morathi regardless of her having his heart . The second Morathi completes apotheosis Khaine and Morathi will be one until their death and the next part of the cycle. Worshipping Morathi = Worshipping Khaine. The idea that Aelfs both exist inside and outside the cycle is preposterous. Alarielle is Alarielle not Alarielle 1.5.9.2
>>98704400Before I call you a retard can you post this part of the DOK book?
KekI actually don't hate the Valayan warrior nuns. I know they're fat and ugly but that's just kind of how dwarf women are.Anyway you got>fyreslayers merged into kazalites representing grimnir>valaya's warriors>gazul's gholemsBut who represents grungni? Is the "Kyng" himself Grungni's representative in this dwarf tetrarchy?
>>98704366Should just say Morathi is competing for Slaanesh's domain and Khaine's, a goddess of obsession and murder.
>>98704437>>Nagash, for instance, bound his existence to his pyramid like a phylactery, something he can only do thanks to being undead. >So what’s the excuse for death gods not truly dying?Well aelven souls were only partially digested by Slaanesh, maybe the death gods are just in nagash's ghost tummy waiting to be let out.
>>98704400
>>98704450The lore does say he was crowned by Grugni himself, so probably.
>>98704450The cannon and runewright both have the rune of grungni (the square with pegs) which makes sense. Kingship would be hashut's domain I think, I wonder how the tome will cover his absence.
>>98704450The boat guy is Grungi's nepo baby
>>98704450>I know they're fat and ugly but that's just kind of how dwarf women are.Not really? I mean they’re stout and plump but not like that…
>>98704508Dwarf womenbut as short and stacked
if khaine is dead, why can his avatars come to life?
>>98704523Even all the way back in the first DoK battletome it was mentioned how Khaine would have been able to come back if not for Morathi cock-blocking him.
Gw posted some alt colour schemes for the khazalids. I still don't like the guns but they're not nearly as bad when painted metal. I wonder if normal brown wood would also look good.
>>98704523it's avatar of Morathi now, they just didn't change the mode yet
>>98704613Eating a pound of Indian mens' shit isn't nearly as bad as eating twelve pounds of it, you're right. Always look on the silver grass lining of the other side, aosister. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :pillcontainer:
>>98704639>
>>98702976Being confused about the existence of black people when you live in a time when sailing from Çanakkale (Troy) to Ithaca could lead someone to being stranded for 10 years isn't racism lol. Of course it's wrong to say that history didn't have 'racism', but the conception of white vs black didn't exist until the usage of slavery, where it was used as a simple separation because such large populations from other continents hadn't lived in close proximity before. Meanwhile, in the Aethiopis (the lost poem which we know about because of later abridged versions, that is where Achilles' famous death via being shot in the heel by Paris is from) features Memnon, a subsaharan demigod (son of Eos) leading an army of Aethiopians to assist Troy. It's described as too big to be counted, and his war stories cause Priam to declare that the Achaeans stand no chance, meanwhile Memnon is super humble, and the gods love him so much that Zeus and all the other olympians promise not to assist the Greeks in the battle. Memnon is seen as beautiful, and noble, he refuses to fight Nestor of Pylos because Nestor is extremely old. Nestor begs Achilles to kill Memnon for him, the two fight, Achilles kills Memnon, then shortly after an arrow is guided to hit his heel and kill him. Greeks had no problem with mythologising and revering this black guy, and while he was on the trojan side, almost all depictions of him are favourable, while he's also treated as the one who comes closest to defeating Achilles in melee combat. Saint Maurice, a soldier from Egypt who was instructed by the Romans to relinquish his faith and offer sacrifices to pagan gods, was consistently depicted as black for 600 years, even becoming the coat of arms of Coburg, Germany as a black man. Arthurian legend has a literal 'black knight', Moriaen, etcTl;dr historical western storytellers liked the idea of 'exotic' peoples and didn't see anything wrong with them so long as they were of the same religion
>>98704613>woodthere's not a single element meant to be painted as wood in the army
>>98704613That's just votann.
>>98704488>Accepting Hashut as a real Ancestor GodHashut is a liar
>>98704488>Kingship would be hashut's domain*formernow it's tyranny
>>98704665Hence "would"
>>98703106>rome was white
>>98704663Thanks for the history/mythology lesson, anon. That's pretty cool.
>>98704613The leafblowers are the real problem.
>>98704675>>98704683Well, his plinth is empty, but it used to be his thing. I wonder if his domain got overtaken by one of the other gods, maybe that's grungni or thorgrim's area now? Kingship and stuff?Now it'd be really kino if khazalids now shirked the usage of the title "king" because of the hashutite title and used something else instead, like e.g. the romans with their princeps, or godfrey of bouillon with jerusalem, etc. Seems like they didn't take this angle thoughI guess it would make for some cool /yourdudes/ lore
>>98704721>hashutite titleHashutite association*
>>98704721>Well, his plinth is empty, but it used to be his thingHe was never an Ancestor. It's a lie. Look at how things are described during "his time">Everything is great under his kingship>Grimnir is an oaf>Grungni was a sneaky liar>Valaya doubted him>In Hashuts boundless humility he forgave them and went to conquer Ghur>The other Ancestors openly insult him after he does as he was askedIt's a whole cloth lie, either meant to deceive the nuChaos Dwarfs into following him or just to piss off the Dwarfs in general by denigrating their ancestors. It reminds me of Eddy's story in the episode of Ed, Edd, n Eddy when they're stuck in Johnny's wall and he runs huge successful jawbreaker bank and everyone around him is either in awe of him or a doofus.
>>98704613These are the ones I like the least. Will probably just buy irondrakes
If I were a wine drinker I think I might actually be tempted by this.
>>98704785The drakkar has an empty plinth anon, and while the helsmith tome beats you over the head with the fact that the whole story of his fall is propaganda from the helsmith's perspective the fact that hashut was an ancestor god seems pretty reliable.
>>98704702No problem anon. I was gonna make it longer but forgot about the post limit. I think most fantasy racism seems to just assume shit will pop up at random because most people grow up seeing racism as a very specific thing where you say Naughty Words against people you don't like because they look different, when there are many cases historically of people integrating in different-looking populations with no problems, and we only remember when the groups are actively trying to avoid being integrated for one reason or another that we have historical grievances building up, justified or otherwise. This leads to most fantasy racism just being like "Yeah these guys hate these guys because they have knife ears/are short/whatever".Warhammer fantasy actually avoided this problem, which makes the amount of fans who's only understanding of dwarfs vs elves the funny 'short' vs 'knife ear' jokes somewhat depressing. The history of the two makes it clear that neither party is really fully at fault and it was an ancient political conflict that was the source of all later problems, even if the modern people only really understand it through their own warped lenses. Meanwhile dwarfs treat humans as dedicated allies, but bumbling ones who can't build worth a damn, despite humans typically treating dwarfs extremely well for the most part, while there are racial conflicts within humans, empire humans treat stirlanders (bumpkin germans) much worse than they treat southlanders (aka black people), which checks out with how they're inspired by renaissance europe and you had shit like Othello at the time
>>98704809I can’t definitely find a use for this, I hope the skaven players at my LGs will appreciate what I have in store for them.
>>98704785Grombrindal recognises hashut as an ancestor god.The lie is that he did nothing wrong, not that he was an ancestor god.
>>98704515This is what we need yes>>98704697He’s right, up until a certain point anyway
You like her design, right anon? Right?
>>98704809You can buy big beer bottles instead!
>>98704853I like this one because her face is cute
this redditor really responded to himself patting himself on the back
>>98704866It's from xitter akshaully
>hashut was not lying about being a dwarf once>even GODS can fall to chaos>skavor might even be realFeels like if you're going this route, you might as well bring Morathi full circle and have her betray the DoK to become Morathi, the chaos goddess of ambition.
>>98704852people with curly hair are not white
>>98704853dwarf sexo!
>>987048118 gods>Grungni>Gazul>Grimnir>Valaya>Grombrindal/Snorri>and one missing godBut who is the 7th and 8th ancestor depicted? Did they remember Morgrim, son of Valaya and Grimnir?
>>98702976even funnier, that emperor was himself a north african/punic and actually ashamed of it. like >>98703122 says the term Púnica Fidés ("Punic Faith") was even coined: perfidious treachery was what they were known for, in addition to being"deceitful and effeminate"., compare that to germanics who, while were seen as lesser, were treated to be barbarous for different reasons, being "savage and fearsome" instead.
>>98704874The origin of the horned rat is a deeper rabbit hole than you think.frogs did it
>>98704901They introduced a new one, Inghilde. Mistress of the caves. She was hinted at in the helsmith tome too, her domain is ulgu apparently. Briefly saw an illustration of her in the khazalid tome preview, let me see if I can find it. Oh, and thorgrim got upliftes to god status now, seemingly grudges and whatnot are his domain.
>>98704901grugni for chamongrimnir for aqshyvalaya for ghyrangazul for shyishhashut for ghurgrombrindal for hyshinghilde for ulguthorgrim for azyr
>>98704917Funny that in 4 major warhammer games/lore cycles, GW never went the route of having one of the Old Ones just show up either hinted or just outright "he's Tzunki, and he's here in age of sigmar to take command of the seraphon because all this shit is fucked and needs to be fixed immediately and lizardmen are going on a mass offensive against chaos".
>>98704908If emprah was born in 8k BC he would have been born near the city of Gobekli Tepe and worshiped their religion.Ironically the emperor being born in 8k BC is kind of a boring origin now that it seems increasingly likely that human civilisation began in the 'garden of eden' which is also atlantis and beneath the ocean, based on the Basal Eurasian genetics and origins of the Sumerians in 'Dilmun'.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBTa41cK4wM&t=339sPunic religion came thousands of years later. Much of their religion, like Tanith/Astarte was originally Inanna of the Sumerians, and became Aphrodite for the Greeks and Venus to the Romans (ironically, Rome and Carthage revering the same goddess, though the Romans considered this to be natural and proof that their religion was the One True Pantheon worshiped by different names by all races of men).
>>98704876Wrong
>>98704856Maybe, but personally, I prefer spirits
>>98704930They have some principles still.Or maybe lizards are just not prevalent enough to warrant such a thing, it IS getting likely in aos though, they might as well release a coatl and say that it's not A coatl, but tepok itself, not even an avatar, just how he looks now.
>>98704939...anon, THAT emperor (septimius severus), not THE (warhammer 40k) emperor. Read the reply chain.
>>98704930They might do that in 40k if they get around to release a few space slanni>this kermit looking fella's name is chotec, he's quite an old one, you seeand then nothing important follows because 40k doesn't have names to its old ones and nothing ever happens unless it's a marine doing it
>>98704939I was under the impression that large scale agriculture (and bu extension civilization?) entered sumeria from the north, the jazira region, since there there's enough rainfall to farm without needing very intensive man-made canals. Sumerians (the people) would probably have existed in the region (and in the now flooded south) before that, but it doesn't seem like a very probable crade of civilization type deal.
>>98704951I don't recognize the kin of el*gabalus as rightful emperors.
>>98704785>>98704829I still don't buy it. The Helsmiths themselves think the idea that Hashut is older than the Mortal Realms is foolish, despite it being objectively true. I think it's a lie spread by Hashut to his followers. Him being an actual Ancestor makes no sense even as a retcon, because GW would have to retcon him in Fantasy too.
>>98704613The mini canons have grown on me but I still want to know how the mechanism inside the body of the gun works
>>98704986Oh, you’re based then. Very telling that they nearly collapsed Rome in just 30 years.
>>98704989But then why would he have a missing statue on the drakkar? These structures obviously predate his fall and are relics from the old khazalid empire (as it would make no sense to carve a new one to include a plinth you will deliberately not use out of shame).That being said, I do agree that him being an ancestor god and seemingly being accepted enough by the other ancestor gods to get an entire realm is really fucking weird when you keep in mind warhammer fantasy. I think they indeed retconned hashut and the chaos dwarfs in fantasy.
>>98704976Basal Eurasians 'come from nowhere' unless you realize they originated in the garden of eden, which follows the timeline given to plato regarding atlantis. The people cast out of the garden into the drying wilderness, as the sea encroached. Noah/Utnapishtim survived the flood by building seaworthy vesselsDoggerland in northern europe was likely destroyed by a large flood from norway, catastrophic and submerging the lands leaving only engl*nd. Likewise we can surmise the possibility of a mass glacial flood that was catastrophic against the people living in the southern end of the Sumerian lands, the ancestors of the sumerians fleeing northwards by boat to escape their now-flooded homelands.The origin of Sumerian culture is at the bottom of the persian gulf, villages and tools dating back 17000 years to when most of the world was under ice, but this region was a fertile oasis of food and beasts to hunt.Without the hydroarchaology in this region, we cannot ever understand the Origins of Civilization and early humanity.
>>98704989Unless everything in The End Times remains canonical, and HASHUT the Father of Darkness and Fire was killed and devoured by Gork and Mork, who became Gorkamorka, and it is an entirely different being when the world was rewritten by souls and belief that took the mantle of "Hashut". In the same way 'Sheogorath' is the Hero of Kvatch originally, as the truth was that Sheogorath and Jygallag were the same Daedric prince, with Jygallag choosing to become fulling the Prince of Order when his mantle was assumed by another.In the same way Thorgrim became a god, or that Teclis and Alarielle and Morathi have replaced the elven gods, perhaps Hashut the Ancestor God is himself someone else entirely, assuming a name of power that allowed him to ascend to godhood, and then fall to chaos.
>98704901Alright here's inghilde with bonus thorgrim. Like I said she's associated with miners and caves in general, she's the one who inspired dorfs to delve underground and stuff. Also apparently the youngest ancestor god, which I guess means she was originally an AoS-born dwarf as we also have thorgrim?
>>98704663>Greeks had no problem with mythologising and revering this black guyThis was just the earliest version of the Prester John story. My super cool king of weird foreign origins in Africa, or maybe asia, who is extremely noble and great compared to my local 'friends' who are assholes, unpious and suck.
>>98705059Meant for >>98704901
>>98704917I like their origin being ambiguous. The bell story being so mysterious honestly helps add to the horror of them.
>>98705014I mean if we're doing atlantis autism plato mentions it being beyond the pillars of hercules (i.e. gibraltar), so the exact opposite direction.Also again while the sumerians may have came from the south, agriculture was introduced to them from the north.Warhammer age of sigmar
>>98705282>agriculture was introduced to them from the north.GOBEKLI TEPE
>>98705051The point wasn't that they weren't racist ever against people who are black, they believed in the superiority of their own cultures and people, including over the northern europeans and did not see them as related to themAlso, picrel isn't exactly relevant. Juvenal hated the Roman empire and was nostalgic for the lost political power people had in the republic>Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.The guy who idealizes the Romans and thinks of them as based and groyp pilled absolutely does not idealize the Roman republic and probably thinks democracy is le bad. Juvenal also believed Greek philosophy and it's fans were gay, owning the busts of Aristotle and being hairy in arm and face while having shaved buttholes. He also believed roman women were liable to have sex with black men instead, because they were more 'vigorous'>Be grateful, you wretch, and offer your wife yourself whatever she has>To take, since if she had chosen to let vigorous boys vex and stretch >Her belly, you might have been father to an Ethiopian! Your dark heir,>Barely visible at dawn, would soon be seen everywhere in the will. Mutt's law I suppose
>>98704853She’s cute but I prefer tomoko
>>98705059pretty neat
>>98704663>Of course it's wrong to say that history didn't have 'racism', but the conception of white vs black didn't exist until the usage of slavery,This is outright false and a bit fucked to think american chattel slavery invented being able to determine skin colour and that being a relevant measure in a variety of previous historical circumstances as you're presenting it. There were other ways to discriminate such as lineage or cultural grouping or geographic location or whatever, but these were often combined and colour sure as fuck was part of that mix too.
>>98705357>The point wasn't that they weren't racist ever against people who are blackThe point was to refute >but the conception of white vs black didn't exist until the usage of slavery, where it was used as a simple separation because such large populations from other continents hadn't lived in close proximity before. People were regularly racist on and off outside of slavery and on the basis of race too, as well as against blacks for the reason of them being just black. They looked down everyone else sure but were especially harsh on non-Europeans in the case of Greco-Romans, with Greek intellectuals making sweeping generalized analyses of the populations of Europe and Asia, implying or stating outright that they belonged to larger population groups or “races” and alienating and singling out ‘Asiatics’ in particular (some Romans even later looked down on Greeks because they felt they had become too influenced by them). >Also, picrel isn't exactly relevant. It’s relevant to show that Greeks also called themselves White. That’s it. Which is why I said to forgive the meme so no one would hyperfixate on it. Juvenal wasn’t a role model of any kind.
>>98705460>Greeks *Romans
>>98705409Discrimination wasn't hereditary until slavery and even then it was notably discouraged by Christian nations such as a Dutch and promptly dropped by others such as the English in the Americas. Racism simply didn't exist. The barbarians weren't bound by genealogy, which is why Rome gave citizenship to slaves and soldiers from all colonies.Please provide one example? You can't. Read a book. Anyway, there's no reason for racism to exist in AoS based on the colour of one's skin. Sigmar created everyone and they're all cosmopolitan, innately as Azyrites and by necessity as the reclaimed - the tension between is like that of Greece or Rome NOT the Antebellum South.Your worldview is irrelevant.
>>98704663Worth noting the Christians had no animosity to the pagan, who didn't know any better, but kept a hatred for the infidel who did.
>>98704613
>>98704959>>98704930I hope we get a Old One appearance in one of the settings but with Fantasy/AoS the Slann being around it’s probably going to be jarring having two similar races around like that
>>98705564Eh I prefer them being in the background lore, don't think it'd be good to have them show up. Unless it's something extrenely dubious like sotek in whfb appearing that one time.
>when you’re so invested in a topic you reply twice half a day later and pretend to be two different people
>>98705516I was thinking this
>>98705583I get that, in 40k especially it would be weird, but like, just one could be kinda cool depending on how it’s handled, though I don’t really know what role they’d play admittedly
>>98705492>Discrimination wasn't hereditary until slaverySerfs were literally bound to the land for generations
>>98705492>discrimination wasn't hereditary ... how do you think skin colour works retard? Stop thinking everything is american chattel slavery centric.
Anon, instead of this retarded history debate, did you make any terrain lately? I started adding shingles and ran out so it’s back to making more of those for now
>>98705658Forgot to crop. Oh well
>>98705658I made a diorama.
>>98705492>*ignores the examples*Lol.>soldiers from all colonies.That took a non-Roman emperor to do. So it was more like a foreign non-Roman giving other foreign non-Romans citizenship.
>>98705658That's great anonI've been thinking about just building a seraphon pyramid from scratch. Haven't done anything like this since I was like 8 years old, but a pyramid seems prettt straightforward right? Just gotta get the right decorations on it
>>98704613Now this might be a bold statement but I don't mind that gun now, it's grown on me
>>98703258It pretty fun finding times the writers set up the last world
>>98704939greeks and romans more than likely derived their pantheons from the base PIE structure that influenced every people descended from them, if anything carthage probably got it from them
>>98705765The suspense is killing me at this point. Please don’t do anything too retarded GW…
>>98705615>ruin the mystery of what the Old Ones are for the sake of ruining itNot all mysteries are meant to be solved.
>>98705731The lasgun build is still unsalvageable but at least the cannon option can be made to work.Actually kind of similar to the chorfs where the flamethrower build for their ranged units was kind of okay but the blunderbuss was just a travesty.The dark mirror goes deeper than we thought...
>>98705801I get what you mean, but it’s hard ton wanting to know, you know? It probably is for the best though
>>98705675>That took a non-Roman emperor to do.Which one was that?
>>98705956I assume he means caracalla given the context
>>98705956This one >>98705964
Is the new seraphon spearhead the worst value one in terms of points? Shit doesn't even breach 450 going off wahapedia.Also how the hell is this going to work in the actual spearhead gamemode? Unless everything is reinforced and/or has crazy warscroll buffs this thing is dead in the water.Finance guys not making the rules writers' jobs easy
>>98705956>>98705675also pretty sure slaves were only given citizenship if they were freed
>>98705989But the claim was that this emperor was the one responsible for making soldiers from all colonies citizens. That's not what Caracalla did - Caracalla made all non-slaves of the Roman empire citizens with the exception of those conquered in wartime. Roman Military Diplomas were a thing nearly 200 years prior to that, where foreigners became citizens via auxilia service.
>>98705801They weren't always so mysterious. Hell, the Goddess of the Amazons was just straight up an Old One in their original lore, which is why they had access to high tech weaponry.
>>98706054I’m not aware of anything like that being passed (or for slaves barring freed ones for that matter) so thats what I assumed he meant. The closest thing would be them completing 25 years of service or however long it took before being granted it afaik.
>>98706078He never said anything about it being 'passed', though I have no clue what he was referring to with slaves since basically none of them were granted citizenship in a large mass. However, freedmen's children were given citizenship. Interestingly, even non-citizen freedmen were so prolific in government bureaucracy that Hadrian had to implement a law limiting the amount of them who were allowed to do it. In the times when the Roman republic expanded to cover Italy, all the men were enfranchised the citizenship doubled to nearly a million in less than 20 years which is funny
Age of Sigmar?
>>98706117Sigmar?
>>98706117The roman empire's citizenship politics is essential to understanding age of sigmar. How could you even BEGIN to comprehend the azyrite/reclaimed storyline without a firm grasp of it?This ain't your granny's wargame
>>98706117Bitches be like “Age of Sigmar?” No bitch The Last World is coming!
>>98701186TQ: My favorite loreblurb is from the 2e Saurus entry where it says Orruks create fake chaos shrines near lizard cities to bait the Saurus into fighting them. So Seraphon vs Ironjawz with a warboss wearing a dead chaos guy as a helmet. Just some lads in for the krump.
>>98706115True, but if that is what was meant the 20 year stipulation feels like a pretty important stopgap to that all things considered so should probably be mentioned, it definitely wasn't a free meal ticket in the same way the EoC was at the least. Honestly, even freedmen being given citizenship was mind boggling, let alone for their families. Dionysius found it so remarkable he made mention of it. in his writings iirc. Their privileges were allegedly limited but as you point out that wasn't always the case I guess.
>>98701608I wouldn’t mind if they were monstrous infantry honestly.
If the FEC delude themselves into having kingdoms and all that, do rank and file ghouls have delusions of peasant life?
>>98705619and they were bound based on their race?
>>98706189It's definitely a huge thing. I think it's clear to me at least that simply going "non-romans ruined rome because severan dynasty" is wrong, especially because Caracalla ruled in sync with his mother, who was basically the power behind the throne and a Roman, but also that Commodus was responsible for the period of shitshow that allowed Septimius Severus to become emperor in the first place and restore some order. Soft men, hard times, etc. It's not like Caracalla did the mass citizenship because of some desire to ruin the Roman identity, it was just a cynical means to fund his treasury because citizens had to pay inheritance tax while non-citizens didn't
>>98706353>>98706353>>98706353
>>98704822I wouldn’t say there were “many” cases of that but regardless what interactions between southlanders and the empire have even transpired to be able to say this? I’m pretty sure that would make sense seeing as how they had more frequent interactions and even conflicts with one whereas they barely even saw the other
>>98705460>>98705357Just putting it out there but even a guy like Juvenal of all people was complaining about "foreign influences" in Rome> "Since the day when Roman poverty perished, no deed of crime or lust has been wanting to us; from that moment Sybaris and Rhodes and Miletus have poured in upon our hills [...] Filthy lucre first brought in amongst us foreign ways; wealth enervated and corrupted the ages with foul indulgences." (Satire 6: Against Women).
>>98706290There were definitively poor conditions at play that played a role in allowing Severus to climb the ranks in the first place by him being made a senator. They had a lapse in judgement after Commodus, soft men, hard times like you say. I don't think Caracalla did what he did with the intent of destroying Rome or anything, I think he just did what's natural for all people to do and put the interests of his own first, possibly while hoping it would all work out for the best for all sides with some input from his mom likely influencing him, but the results speak for themselves and the picture it paints does show Romans were right to be wary; In the 23 years following his Edict, they had a succession of MENA emperors: Geta, Macrinus, Elagabalus and Severus Alexander, and their collective reigns culminated in the Crisis of the Third Century (235 - 284 AD), which almost resulted in their collapse. It did thankfully end up being saved by two Illyrians, Aurelian and Diocletian, but after that Rome was near continuously headed by non-Italian emperors. That entire period and the cascading effect it had was objectively a net negative for them in the end despite them managing to avoid what came later.
>>98706515>put the interests of his own firstThe problem with this is why would he see MENA people as 'his own' when he was son of a Roman emperor, born in Gaul, died waging war in Parthia, and he most famously massacred 20,000 MENA people in Alexandria. Regardless of his ethnic makeup, I think you can't make an argument that he was doing stuff to benefit MENA people specifically, when the majority of beneficiaries of citizenship from this would be northern EuropeansAlso, are you implying that the Illyrians were Italian? Because surely that means that they were headed near continuously by non-Italian emperors, them included, since the Severan dynasty? Ultimately the problem with wanting local emperors in a culture which prioritises expansionism and idealises militarism is the soldiers are all going to become further and further from the heartland, and therefore the leaders who are made by those conditions will, too
>>98706650Caracalla was fully aware of how he was perceived due to his heritage regardless of where he was born or what he partook in or where he died, it's simply something he never forgot despite being surrounded by everything Roman. The financial motivation certainly played a role in the Edict and he did try to fulfill what was expected of him but the ethnic motivation of having those of his roots enjoy the same freedoms as Romans can't really be understated (remember that his mom was half Arab too). Also he definitely didn't see them all as 'his own' but he knew Punics/arabs were grouped into the same category from the Roman perspective. Conveniently enough, we actually do have genetic testing/studies conducted that shows that there was a massive flux of Middle Easterners in the late Roman Empire/after the edict was passed, that seemingly only changed because the continuous Germanic/ Northern European invasions/Gothic War depopulated the collapsing empire, so it would seem they were actually the ones to benefit from it the most. Illyrians weren't Italian of course, they're included in the non-Italians, it just shows that it seemingly took two non-MENA emperors to get things back into some semblance of order after a trainwreck of successive ones, which probably didn’t help any lingering confirmation bias the Romans still had, Anyway we're at the end of the thread and have moved away from the original topic for a good while now but this was a good talk.
>>98706349Yeah…
