Welcome to Open OSR. This is a seperate thread is for open discussions of OSR, OSR-adjacent and retro games. You can talk about all OSR (TSR era D&D, & retroclones) & OSR-adjacent (Mork Borg, Shadowcity etc) games without distinction here.There is a general for those who only want to talk about first decade D&D. If that is your preference, you can find that here >>98683033As always, report and ignore any trollingPrevious thread: >>98713960Thread Question:What's your favorite retroclone? (BFRPG, FG&G, OSRIC S&W etc)
>>98728793>TQI started with BFRPG, but moved to regular B/X & BECMI after a while. it holds a special place in my heart.
>>98727732Continuing from last thread>The way Gygax described "proper" old school gaming? Also valid, and actually pretty different from what you claim is "Gygaxian" by selectively misinterpreting his AD&D writings.LMAO that's bullshit and even you know it
>>98728086>Why are you even like this? I'm not telling you the right way to play OSR games, because there isn't one that's universal. What I'm telling you is you need to stop being such a retard and trying to push your gay and retarded shit and acting like you know what's best when all of your ideas are about as close to objectively stupid as ideas about RPGs can get.Those are just insults, not an argument. I accept your concession on behalf of the Anon you were replying to.
>>98728793>What's your favorite retroclone? (BFRPG, FG&G, OSRIC S&W etc)My favorite retroclone is ACKS II. Best RPG since 1981 by far.
>>98728793>open osrMore like dead games lol Osr is tranny shit
Started a solo ACKS game recently, it's great fun. My character and his companions looted a dungeon of its brasswork for extra loot and xp, but we lucked out whilst hunting Goblin raiders and found a lake teeming with good quality fish, so we put the money from that brasswork to good use and started a fishing industry that's making us rich.
>>98729645Great session report. You should try smoking the fish to improve your earnings.
I'm planning on running my classless & level-less OSR style dungeon crawler game. Based on OSR D&D basic rules but with a bunch of gay furry races where you need money to advance your character. I am hesitant to shill it here since I feel people may not care for it since it's not very traditional OSR, but if interested let me know and I'll make an effort to shill it here.
>>98729799>a bunch of gay furry races Like... gay furry races, or gay furry races?
>>98729904All furries are gay, zoophilia is queer by default
>>98729910Yes, but there's... gay furries (shakes head left and right)... and there's also gay furries (shakes head up and down).
>>98729799>furry racesAh, like "The OSR Catgirl: Nine Lives of Adventure by Contentronix!" It's an OSR supplement dedicated entirely to catgirls. A bunch of custom races and classes built using the ACKS rules for custom classes and races, so it's guaranteed to be well-balanced, since Alexander Macris is a genius. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/572099/the-osr-catgirl-nine-lives-of-adventure?src=newest_recent(You can find it for free in the usual places, of course.)
>>98729799>I'm planning on running my classless & level-less OSR style dungeon crawler game. Based on OSR D&D basic rules but with a bunch of gay furry races where you need money to advance your character. I am hesitant to shill it here since I feel people may not care for it since it's not very traditional OSR, but if interested let me know and I'll make an effort to shill it here.It's still more OSR than "AD&D" 2e.
>>98729904>>98730004>>98730006I actually meant these cute bnuuies stolen from another thread on here about rolling for stats (which we will certainly be doing)Don't worry I wasn't planning on doing an ERP OSR thing or anything like that, that's a little too cringe for me. But glad to see how much interest there is!
>>98729558Unironically, I've been thinking a lot about the OSR dying.It started with the essay "The OSR should die", about how the OSR had long since outlived its original purpose and even then went through another period of rise and fall with a completely different purpose, and the more I think of all the baggage that comes with it, the more I think that the OSR creators who are deliberately distancing themselves from even calling themselves OSR have their reasons. The OSR becoming some sort of marketing term also has injected it with all sorts of stuff that has largely been for the worst, and that's something I think most people can agree on.Old games will outlive the OSR. People won't stop playing older editions just because those letters stop being used, and I think that people will always keep tomb raiding the old books for ideas even for non-OSR games. If the OSR died, in whatever way that means, I'm not entirely sure it would be a bad thing, because Old School gaming is pretty much immortal while the revolutional/revival/renaissance/etc. sometimes looks like it's in a real zombified state.
>>98730030It's crap, but it's always better than fishfag talking to himself.
>>98730128Actually while I'm on the subject...Anyone have any good methods or procedures for doing things like shops and downtime spending? What I mean is, I want a way for players to be able to spend and use up their money in useful ways, both on equipment and other services, but writing out shop lists is very tedious and I'm not sure just stealing one will work if I don't have the exact right math formulas or if I want to add something to it and so on. Is there a slightly easier way to do shopping and prices or is your only real option writing a massive shopping list?
>>98730154ACKS II has a bunch of great procedures for cost of living, wages, running shops and economic activities, and it has a shitload of formulas to determine what is or isn't available at each given location based on market size and local economy.
>>98730163Is it setting agnostic though? And does it consider things like how much money you need to stock dungeons with to make it economic or whatever?Personally I don't want to give players a way to "invest" their money so they're constantly pushed to adventure to more and more dangerous locations, but I understand as part of the simulation it may be a useful procedure.
>>98730163I looked at ACKS II, and I really don't like it. Sure, there's tons of charts and procedures for doing things, but they always make things much more complicated than they need to be and the results are always a let down.I just wanted to do a little economy stuff, and before you can do anything it keeps telling you that you need to jump around to different tables and make charts and it's a mess. And when I plugged in everything, I just got these really generic results that made me feel like I had just wasted my time.
>>98730169>Is it setting agnostic though?It's as setting agnostic as anything like that can be. Prices and item availability are necessarily going to depend on the setting, but what's given in ACKS II is meant for generic vanilla OSR settings. If your setting departs from that, naturally you'll have to make a few changes here and there.>does it consider things like how much money you need to stock dungeons with to make it economic or whatever?It absolutely does! It has rules for Arcane casters to build and run dungeons.
>>98730176That's okay Anon. ACKS II is the best RPG published since 1981, but that still doesn't mean it's for everyone.
>>98730176ACKS is complete trash and a scam pushed by troll shills. Only reason anyone brings it up is because they've been banned from advertising it everywhere else so we're stuck with the shills here.Always just ignore the ACKS shills and don't give them any attention. They're just perpetually upset that they've never managed to get more than 2k backers on any of their kickstarters, and keep in mind that's with them having aggressively shilled so much that they got themselves banned from several websites for doing so.
>>98730191Cry harder, fishfag.
>>98730191I wanted to give the game a fair look anyway. Honestly, I feel bad for the designer guy, because he definitely put a lot of work in the game but he's just not very smart and doesn't really understand how to design games. And, he's apparently been doing it for over a decade, so there really doesn't seem like there's any hope that he'll get any better at it.It reminds me of late BECMI stuff where rules just kept being added because someone would have an idea for a rule, but they weren't any that good and no one ever actually used them. I think Mentzer was an okay designer, but even some of the stuff in the Companions books felt like he was starting to grasp at straws to add content and it was a steady downhill slope from there.
>>98730233You can safely ignore our local resident troll. He's been on a jihad against ACKS for years purely for political reasons.
>>98730182>It absolutely does! It has rules for Arcane casters to build and run dungeons....I mean I meant for the DM but that sounds great, I'll go check it out. Thanks!
>>98730243Have fun!
>>98730218>>98730239Have a screencap from last thread of him admitting his definition of OSR is absolutely anything that sets off his synapse and getting rogered for it.
>>98730246Fishfag is literally insane, he's best ignored. Stay on topic, talk or ask questions about ACKS instead.
>>98730154You can always just categorize goods and apply broad modifiers. Any mechanic only ever has to be as complex as you want it to be.World Without Number comes with a lot of data and procedures for shopping and downtime, but that's probably more complex than what you actually need.
>>98730251>Fishfag is literally insaneAnd stupid.
>>98730239>troll tries to pull a reverse uno cardlolEveryone knows you're just the /osrg/ troll coming here to spam and shill because no one goes to the /osrg/ anymore except for your other little shill friends.
>>98730261It's actually pretty funny that they think that this board can forget all the shilling they've tried to do in the past or that the whole story of how they hijacked the /osrg/ can just be forgotten.It's 4chan. The whole thing is anonymous never forgets. We've even got the archive with dates showing all the shit they've done, and even are doing now. . The best part is that they've marked themselves by always screaming about fishfags so everyone can recognize it's just a tiny group of the same shills.
>>98730266>Pretending to be from here this hardlol you glow fishfag.
>>98730261>>98730266obvious malding samefag is obvious
>>98730266My favorite example of this is still when during the last ACKS kickstarter, a shill kept popping up in unrelated threads around the board. First he appeared in the /5eg/ and started samefagging to himself, and was immediately told to fuck off and had all his posts deleted. Seems like any place where there's enough people, these kind of faggot shills get bodied immediately.So instead of giving up, the little shit decided to try in a less populated thread, the /3eg/. Same shit, same samefagging, but instead of his posts getting deleted, he instead got bullied by the people in the /3eg/. Just mercilessly mocked, because he kept trying to tell people about his fishfag and his fish story and how there was only one person who would think it was boring.He got so fucking pissed, that he started making huge fat posts of how mad he was, including this crown jewel of a post. It's the maddest probably anyone's ever been on this board.
>>98730283>You're a walking talking STD, a pygmy subhuman, a digital disease that I wish, only for the health of this board, could be wiped out with a herbicide and made to drown to death in your own shit. Your gorilla like screeching over a superior game will never end though so we've all got to put up with your endless barrage of pathetic autism and front of being totally unaffected and totally not caring about how much more raped you get with every thread you post in, because all you want is to kill the discussion of games.>I sincerely hope you catch cancer and then burn to death after suffering through it for a year. That's how much I don't give a fuck about you and your authoritarian bullshit.LMAO that's how the whole board feels about fishfag.
>>98730266They're so lonely. Imagine hijacking a thread, making everyone leave, and then following after them into the new threads they make just to not be in the thread you hijacked. They're not people, they're a virus killing hosts.
>>98730292
So splitting up and making four different OSR-related generals every other day wasn't enough to stop the schizo meltdowns in every thread?
Always remember: Ignore all ACKS Shills.Engaging with them is like boxing with a pile of shit. Just makes a mess.
>>98730301We need to figure out how to keep the ACKS shill trolls to actually stay in their containment thread. The problem is, as soon as someone makes a new OSR thread, the shills see it as a threat and do their best to ruin it, largely just by being there and being themselves.
>>98730308Ignore the trolls.Discuss games.Nothing they do can stop anyone from doing that.If they flood the thread, we can make a new one. There's literally nothing they can do if you just keep calm and carry on.
>>98730296>making everyone leaveWe've only made (You) leave, fishfag.
>>98730308>>98730320I have auto-hide filters for "AC*KS" and "fish*fag" and it's pretty great. Do just that and all they can do is mald.
>>98729438The best part of that post is that he goes "you're malding" right after spewing up that glob of absolute seethe, lmao
>>98730320>Ignore the trolls.>Discuss games.Agree, let's go back on topic. What's your favourite ACKS monster? Mine is the Death Charger. It's an undead construct created by stitching an undead rider to an undead horse. ACKS has rules for creating undead, constructs, and undead constructs, and they're really cool and well made.
>>98730351fisfhag is literally seething all the time.
>>98730349lol, that should be included in the OP.
>>98730351>>98730355Sorry, I meant fishfag is seething literally the whole time. Big difference.
>>98730349Oh wow, instant thread improvement. I feel pretty dumb for not having done that way earlier.
>>98730349>I have auto-hide filters for "AC*KS" and "fish*fag"LMAO you just replied to a post that contains one of those two words. So no, you don't.Regardless, you think that our local resident schizo is able to let a mention of that game system or himself go without throwing a melty over it?
>>98730370You can still see the posts as having been hidden and the second post was replying to the first.
>>98728793>What's your favorite retroclone? (BFRPG, FG&G, OSRIC S&W etc)I think I prefer the originals with some houserules, but I like what OSE does. It's very faithful and the designer has made a lot of posts explaining any changes he made and they're all very reasonable.
>>98730154You should probably ask questions like this in the real thread instead. Not likely to get much of a response here.
>>98730357OP? It should be automatic board-wide.It would genuinely be the funniest fucking thing if it happened. The amount of butthurt it would cause among the trolls would be legendary, and the best part is that no one would see that butthurt.
>>98730387>originals with some houserulesWhat sorta houserules?
>>98729292>>98730233Is BECMI any good? I keep seeing people say it's only boderline OSR.
>>98730392What's the real thread?
>>98730404Go tell the mods on IRC, quick!
>>98730422BECMI is like a slimmed down version of ACKS, which is good.
>>98730422It's basically B/X plus, and how good the "plus" is really varies.There's some decent rules they added, mostly because a lot of the rules are just things that people had been asking to have official rules for for years and were really no-brainers. The problem is that the more stuff they added, the quality and usefulness diminished, and a big complaint about BECMI is that as the publishing went on it started to show signs of becoming a sorta proto-3e.
>>98730349This has already paid for itself and it's only been one thread.
>>98730422Mentzer didn't really make many changes to the BE rules. I can't even think of any off the top of my head.The CMI though added a lot, and you gotta be a bit careful with what and how you add different material. One big thing that was added later was non-combat skills, and that can have a big impact on how the game runs and feels, though I'm not 100% certain those were Mentzer.
>>98728793Wight-Box
>>98730191>fuming
>>98730509>MentzerObligatory Mentzer DM meltdown.
>>98729799Some people are going to hate it, but if you're doing something new with it some people are going to be interested.If it's just b/x with furry stuff, I'd probably leave the furry stuff out of it and just discuss it as b/x, though.
>>98730261>Fishfag tries to UNO reverse the UNO reverse card>but can't even write it rightkek
>>98730266>they hijacked the /osrg/lmao2e has never been on topic in /osrg/, get over it
>>98730308>we need to figure out how to stop Anon from posting!!!>btw you others are the ones who don't understand how 4chan works
>>98730427/osrg/ is here: >>98683033It's heading toward autosage though, you might want to save your question until the next thread. Up to you.
So, this whole melty the /osrg/ trolls are having right now is because no one goes to their contaiment thread anymore? They gotta come here just to try and beg people to post there?Looks like everything's going as expected.
>>98730558If you look in you can see why.These guys are so dull when they're trying to do their "good boy" posting.It feels so weird getting nostalgic for the old /osrg/, and it wasn't even that long ago.Yeah, it was messy and there were lots of really dumb arguments, but it was fun.Now we gotta try to do that with butthurt trolls malding constantly like their lives depend on it.
>>98730526I need context for this.
>>98730292Where's the lie. He's basically reposting "I irritated this person until they told me what everyone thinks of me, that makes me the winner."
>>98730591I wish I knew the full context, but the gist is that Mentzer had been arguing with someone on Dragonsfoot, and became so frustrated that he sent them a DM threatening that unless they stopped posting, he would use all of his powers to ruin that person's life as best he could....Which amounted to threatening to make fun of him in a game. A game that I don't think ever got made. And the guy shared the DM because I don't think Mentzer understood that threatening you're going to throw a lawyer at someone doesn't actually make a DM private.
>>98730645Letting boomers on the internet was a mistake.
>>98730526>you bumbling Zero-level clod. Int 7 (enough to babble, barely) and Wis 1.lol, what a cool insult.>>98730645>A game that I don't think ever got made. Oh no! What happened to the biggest pan-industry project in 30 years?
>>98730703>Oh no! What happened to the biggest pan-industry project in 30 years?I just looked into it, and the full story is pretty insane.https://knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?t=14851In 2017, Frank was launching a new project called Empyrea, and was on Dragonsfoot doing some precursor promotion. A guy name EOTB was being critical of the project, mostly about how much money the kickstarter was asking for ($250K), and Frank sent him that PM. EOTB showed it to a DF mod, Frank got banned from the forum, the PM got shared, tanking Frank's PR pretty heavily on DF and other OSR websites.A month later, the Empyrea kickstarer launched, and it ended up being canceled. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/extsr/frank-mentzers-empyrea-fantasy-setting-for-10-rpgI don't know if it would have failed without that PM being leaked, but it's crazy to think one meltdown might have actually been responsible for Mentzer's design career effectively ending.
>>98730928That's a sad story.
>>98731010It is until you read the meltdown again.Even people in that knight-n-knaves thread were speculating whether Mentzer getting banned from DF was fair up until they saw exactly what he wrote. The threats aren't exactly that bad or even that credible, but he had way too much ego and way too much rage to be able to handle being on a forum.
>>98731010lol that KS had no chance. The post is funny but the KS was doomed no matter what.
>>98730928Why is the OSR filled with such fucking drama queens.It's like every story about the OSR is about someone blowing up about something.
Tried asking this in the /osrg/ and got no answer so far, so here I go again.I was looking to run something pulpy and a bit dumb, and I was recommended this. Any anon read through/played it? Not sure about the giant animesque ass on the cover, but I was told it has some fun ideas and is system agnostic.
>group can't decide between B/X or AD&D>debate for a month>settle on playing a 5e campaing insteadI'd laugh but for some reason I have no laughter in me.
>>98731198You can just take a look inside yourself.https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/venger-asnas-satanis/pdf-islands-of-purple-haunted-putrescence-download/It doesn't take itself at all seriously so it's not going to work unless potentially getting an intelligent sword that constantly makes pop culture references sounds like a fun time to you.
>>98731198I don't know anything about it myself but i found some reviews if they help.https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/rpg-the-islands-of-purple-haunted-putrescence-reviewed-by-endzeitgeist-5-5.774143/https://tenfootpole.org/ironspike/?p=2783https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-hardboiled-gmshoe-reviews-the-islands-of-purple-haunted-putrescence.669751/you'll need the wayback machine for rpg.net. the review links in the forum threads are dead.
>>98731232Some of those are pretty funny.A sword that wants to slay things in the most gruesome manner possible might be dropping into my next game.
>>98731315But that's a good game.
>>98731340Nah, it's the worst of all D&D editions by far.
>>98730549Yeah, that one seems a much better thread than this one. Thanks for pointing me to it.
>>987313512e is the only real 'edition' since it's just reworked 1e. 3e, 4e, 5e and BECMI are different games.
>>98731368>it's just reworked 1eby making it worse and retarded
>>98731340>>98731368Just ignore the lonely troll who comes here because he's sad that he killed his containment thread.
>>98731232>>98731242right, found it in the usual place. after a quick read:>it takes every single pulp setting and trope ever and sticks it on the same three islands. there's robots, mutants, cyborgs, aliens, zombie pteranodons, cults worshiping offbrand cthulhu, sorcerers, apemen, snakemen, barbarians etc>no standard coin, a few different standards going on but the most common way to buy/sell is using magic items, favors, secrets or women>on that note, slave girls and damsels in distress out the wazoo, at least two that are about to get straight up raped by monsters (picrel is surprisingly not related to any specific encounter but just tacked near the end of the book), and at one point there's just a hooker teleported from 1970s earth in the middle of the islands>extremely lethal, the random encounters and hex encounters are very threatening in general and there's many ways to accidentally (or intentionally) destroy the islands or even the world>lots of magic items, tons of magic sentient swords. players can potentially scavenge several functional scifi vehicles and even spaceships>the few dungeons are not well detailed, there's a map but no key at all so that'd be on the gmyeah uhhh, that's a tough one. there's a lot of work to do for the gm, and it's gonna take a specific mindset to enjoy. also, it'd help to start the characters at higher levels otherwise they're just gonna die
>He's latched onto 'containment thread' as his new special word of the week
>>98731436>it's gonna take a specific mindset to enjoyThat's about the nicest way of saying there's something fucked up about it.>on that note, slave girls and damsels in distress out the wazoo, at least two that are about to get straight up raped by monsters (picrel is surprisingly not related to any specific encounter but just tacked near the end of the book), and at one point there's just a hooker teleported from 1970s earth in the middle of the islandsThat'd be a hard no for me.I like things pulpy, but something about all that is more cringe than I think my group could take.
>>98731368>it's just reworked 1eWrong, it's the smoking ruin of 1e.
>>98731436That art looks like what you'd find in the notebook of a school shooter.
>>98730283>>98730526There's something beautiful about people being so mad that it makes the navy seal post look restrained.
>>98731212My friend introduced his group to S&W and not long afterwards they were playing 5e instead.It's an uphill battle when 5e is so inescapable. Even looking at new OSR releases means seeing ones that are 5e compatible.
>>98731478That and the claim that it's dead.
>>98731510>it's the smoking ruin of 1eburied in a mountain of shit.
>>98731920Evey time that he tries to claim that the real thread is dead, botted &c. it just cracks me up no end, as if it isn't obvious to everybody that this thread is nothing but him samefagging and us making fun of him.
>>98731971>if I repeat this, people will believe me!says a guy malding in a thread because he knows if he leaves it alone, all his lies will be that much more obvious
>MaldingAnother on the bingo card, anyone got any others we can add? Projection is, of course, the free space.
>>98732016Just ignore the lonely troll who comes here because he's sad that he killed his containment thread.
>>98731368Technically, 3.5 and 5.2024 would also be real editions.
>>98732016How much more obvious could his lies get though.
>>98731198That looks like ass.
>>98729799>my classless & level-less OSR style dungeon crawler game. Based on OSR D&D basic rules Sounds weird but okay. I enjoy lite systems and this sounds like it would be lite->but with a bunch of gay furry racesMaybe call those something else.
>>98732057I always imagined .5s as more like overrides such as Unearthed Arcana and Complete Books.
>>98732139Like what?Hirsute poofs?
>>98730246Wew lad, talk about saying nothing of substance in that first post.
>>98731484In my last game, my DM actually had us in a dude in distress plot, rescuing a blacksmith from some dragon. He's a bit woke.We had zero real motivation to actually save the smith. We we're actually joking about it during the game, with everyone making it clear we were just following the plot because we didn't want to be evil and it was the first hook presented to us. It was actually refreshing, being railroaded but everyone acknowledging the railroad and just going along with it anyway instead of fighting it tooth and nail. It being out in the open and a joke was way better than stewing angrily because we had been robbed of player agency to take on a quest to save some guy no one really gave a fuck about.
>>98731647Navy seal was not being serious.Those two are madder than fiction.
>>98730283That screencap is top cringe.The first two lines? How you even type that?Then he's the wimpiest cuck that gets beaten up everyday trying his best to sound like a badass. >it got deletedSome mod took mercy on him.
>>98731212You could have just started with B/X and then converted into AD&D down the line. The books even explained how to do that.They even said that's what people should do.
B/X is overrated
>>98732766It's an entry point.It's like saying first or second base is overrated.
>>98732766lowkey always thought this but the guys i play with would lynch me if i said it
>>98731181It's because OSR is full of people who didn't like how someone else did things and insisted on playing the game their way for 30ish years and who now have access to publishing tools so they can share their perfect vision with the world. The ability to keep to your perfect vision of a game for 30ish years takes a certain admirable stubbornness, it also takes a hell of a lot of ego.Unfortunately their perfect vision and some other dude's perfect vision of the game are slightly different - in the good old days before the ubiquitous internet, neither of these people would ever interact - aside from maybe over a BBS or IRC with six other people in it. Now with mass internet when the two start shit flinging and their egos get too much the entire internet can watch (which even in a niche hobby is maybe tens of thousands of people rather than the few hundred of the old irc/text forum days.)Now there are two people with a hell of a lot of stubbornness and ego now disagreeing on something so drama ensues.It also doesn't help that many of the people who enjoy OSR and actually create and play it rather than discuss it on a mongolian basket weaving forum are on the older side. This means that they'll often say or do something that will get the 'modern audience' crowd upset (something that was liberal twenty years ago is now a sign of being pro-hitler, that sort of issue).
>>98732754This. You start in Mystara and once the players know how to play you take them to that island with the portal that leads to Greyhawk. Now that would be epic.
>>98732866>The ability to keep to your perfect vision of a game for 30ish years takes a certain admirable stubbornness, it also takes a hell of a lot of ego.I don't really think there's anything admirable there.I can't think of anything good about a guy who rejects growth.
For those that do play 2e, do you stick to the multiple forms of XP (Individual, Class based, Race based) or do you just go back to Gold for XP?
>>98732968Nobody plays 2e lmaoFishfag literally proved half a dozen times that he doesn't even know anything about it
>>98732968I use most of them, but I don't do flat gold for xp, but rather xp for gold spent so they are encouraged to do something with it. I've been running a 2e campaign for the last nine months and the party is comfortably around 3rd-4th level. Monster XP alone is slow as fuck. Individual class rewards are tedious to track but actually help a lot.
>>98732968I never liked Class XP. It felt forced and I hate giving out XP for every little thing.I always give XP to the whole party. Even if one player defeated an enemy all by himself the whole group would still get the same XP. So, if a player did something that would warrant "individual" XP, the whole party would share that XP. I don't give out this kind of "bonus" XP that often though.>or do you just go back to Gold for XP?Sometimes. Usually though it would be more "You found and brought the treasure hoard back to town, that's worth X XP" than strict 1:1.One DM I play with does strict Gold for XP. He makes it work but I do feel limited by it.
>>98733031Yeah, Individual class rewards are fairly tedious to track, I am thankful my current game (and first time running 2e) is only with two players so it's not too bad. I am considering xp for gold spent since there is a pretty big imbalance between the two PC's (A Thief and a Psionicists) but that could be fixed with me being way more mindful of what I prepare of course.>>98733048That's fair, I am not entirely sold on Class XP for the reason above, the Thief can level up way faster than the Psionicist if I am not careful about preparing future sessions. That is interesting to note what you do for Gold for XP though. Thankfully the players have been very focused on building connections to the villages and city-states they have visited so far.
>>98732968I ran 2e for a while before covid. I messed up and gave the rogue way too much experience for traps and gold but it didn't matter.
>>98732968Sorry, 2e is off topic for this thread, as it's not an OSR game! Start a 2e general if you want to discuss it.
>>98733139Yeah I have a single triple classed grey elf in mine who levels like a snail, and the single classed clerics are ahead of everyone because of individual class xp. I am fine with this, the gap isn't all that big and it lets them enjoy cooler shit earlier and keep the other multiclassers alive. Though I do have three clerics in a party of five.
>>98733031>Monster XP alone is slow as fuck.You can always just double it.I think it's more fun to reward other stuff more though, but if any XP seems slow you can always just increase its value.
>>98733189I've had really lopsided parties before, level-wise. Never had a problem with them, (usually because they'd be lopsided because of deaths and it felt earned, and no one ever felt useless) especially compared to how bad balance could be in 3e where it felt like you couldn't do anything if your character was bad.
>>98733197This is actually recommended in the DMG, I think, or in FG&G. That other rewards should tend to be about equal to double monster xp.
>>98733243Yeah that has been my main worry so far. Thankfully my two players have been very clever and careful at this point. Not sure that will be said with another group who has some interest in Dark Sun but eh, gotta learn some how.
>>98732947Conversely if you're too openminded your brain will fall out.Growth/progress for growth/progress' sake is genuinely worse than conservatism for conservatism's sake. Without getting into /pol/ territory we can see this with DnD - 5e is genuinely less fun and less creative than ADnD and B/X - hence the OSR in the first place. The same can be seen with GeeDubs and the whole Age of Shitmar thing.
>>98733479>DnD - 5e is genuinely less fun and less creative than ADnD and B/XIt's not
>>98733479>Growth/progress for growth/progress' sake is genuinely worse than conservatism for conservatism's sake.I refuse to accept that. If it comes down to a question of the absolute two extremes of change and consistency, destructive progress or eternal stagnation, it's growth that must and will win out.Luckily, we don't have to battle it out throwing galaxies at each other, and can just agree that there can be a happy middle ground between the two extremes, and that doing either just for their own sake is dumb compared to having an actual meaningful goal.
>>98733536I haven't had a galaxy since I moved to asia.I won't say no if you want to fling one at me.But yeah - doing either extreme is generally a poor idea.
>>98733479>Without getting into /pol/ territory we can see this with DnD - 5e is genuinely less fun and less creative than ADnD and B/XI play 5e and B/X (and other games besides), and I wouldn't say either is more fun/creative than the other. It's like saying whether the NES is more fun/creative than the Switch, they're different machines and both can deliver great games.
>>98730392>>98730549No, my homebrew isn't really trve osr so that doesn't work, hence why I went to the open OSR thread.Well since I'm autistically hyperfixating on it right now; gonna share my notes.>Game is OSR dungeon crawler/action adventure game with no classes or levels>Instead character progression is gated behind gold (no xp, just spending gold to advance/upgrade your character and their equipment)>Players pick a race then roll stats (each race is rolled differently to give different stat spreads and maximum/minimums)>Game rules focus on fast and interactive "rulings over rules" mentality, so combat maneuvers and the like are referee'd on the fly>Because no direct character skill ranks or class features, everything is either gamified as taking time or being gated by items (lockpicking)>Because no healing spells instead healing is done as a downtime action that can be done in the dungeon (using bandages or first aid) but triggers wandering monster rolls (time spent in the dungeon increases danger)>No player facing magic yet, but was a planned feature. Because no player MU class was probably going to relegate it to magic wands and/or scrolls and the likeThus far the game was very popular and successful with my first trial group, who thought I ran it well. I asked for vigorous feedback and the main point of complaint I had from one player (who has a more 5e background I believe) didn't like how similar all the characters were and the lack of mechanical differentiation. I agreed with this a little bit but I'm trying to figure out a good way to explain that its mess mechanically differentiated moreso fiction or player-skill oriented since he might be more used to mechanically focused games, but I still think it was overall a success. I'd like to try again with perhaps a larger playgroup that doesn't fall apart in three sessions (maybe the game was bad enough that's why it didn't last?)
>>98733177Nah.
>>98730532>>98730531see >>98734279
>>98734279This is retarded even by your standards, fishfag. The /osrg/ OP explicitly excludes 2e, it's not like it's being kept a secret that 2e is excluded from /osrg/.
>>98732785If people were getting on first, staying there for 40 years, and then shitting up the threads of people who actually wanted to discuss baseball then first base would be overrated, too.
>>98734279>Local classic car club is run by some cunt who insists on letting clowns on unicycles in because 'unicycles are a classic vehicle'>Kicks out anyone who complains>Work around it by including a 'No one wheeled vehicle' clause>He gets ousted after it turns out he's a fucking clown himself and complaints reach the ears of the higher ups>Finally get to say outright 'Cars only, fuck off with your unicycles'>You, a clown slightly worse than Gacy, complain that 'Well if your club truly didn't let in unicyclists that would've been on the rules list years ago'Makes me want to honk your little red nose, you rascal.
>>98733864>the main point of complaint I had from one player (who has a more 5e background I believe) didn't like how similar all the characters were and the lack of mechanical differentiation.That was a common complaint with the original 5e playtest when it came to using ability scores rather than skills, largely because differences between even a -1 and a +4 can practically evaporate on a d20. It's hard to feel like a smart wizard when the half-retarded fighter keeps beating you on knowledge checks a quarter of the time by sheer luck.
>>98734279>>98734290Always just ignore that troll. He has no power here.He has no power anywhere. All he can do is cry about how he killed his own thread and now has to come here in pure seething jealousy.
>>98734797>killed his own thread lolwut/osrg/ is the best it's ever been since fishfag went to harass the mods on IRC.
>>98730283>I don't give a fuck what you think about it you little pussified bitchYeah, that definitely sounds like something someone would say if they weren't going to spend the next year plus raging about people thinking differently than he does.
>He's reposting his falseflagSilly Fish, you admitted that you wrote that, remember?
>>98734823Rich, coming from someone who's been raging against /osrg/ and ACKS for much longer than that.
>>98734880I look forward to seeing him get huffy over you posting this, same as he does any time it gets posted and reminds everyone that any faggot can use any image.
>>98734797>has no power>immediately starts to uselessly samefag flood in total frustration after being told thatlol he's fucked
nigga
>>98734279....Yes? Because 2e isn't OSR but some people were confused about it. I don't even understand what the gotcha is meant ot be here. Your logical contortions are inscrutable to normal men, Fishfag.
>>98734914>I'm getting gang raped>This means I win
>>98734923>I don't even understand what the gotcha is meant ot be here.That's his defective theory of mind at work once a gain. He has noticed that people posting screenshots of things he says hurt him, so he presumes that posting screenshots of things Anons tell him must hurt those Anons.It's like when he declares victory. He can't tell the difference between an effective comeback and an ineffective one, so he tries to compensate by saying "I win".
>>98728793>TQWhite Box FMAGclean, sleek, sold right at the cost of print, handles 10+ levels of play, optional AAC, single or detailed saving throw matrices, preserves the original magic caster spell list without adding new, game loop breaking spells. no skill or attribute checks is the best part, the main chassis (x-in-6) feels more revolutionary and modern today than almost any contemporary mechanic i knowthe only other manuals (aside from modules) that bring anything else to the table (in my opinion) are the AD&D 1e DMG for advice on how to run the thing, and the D&D Cyclopedia if you want "the Bible", but having such a small, self contained beaut like FMAG just beats everything else hands down - honestly enamored with it, and wont pretend otherwise.
I think something's broken with me.I just finished flipping through the monstrous manual for maybe the thousandth time, and saw nothing that inspired me.I want exciting encounters for the dungeon I'm building and everything just feels so done.maybe thousand and one will do something
>>98735199Tomb of Adventure Design, buy a copy, you're welcome in advance.It'll help.
>>98735211>buy a copyHa ha, nice try, capitalist.I'll see if it's any good before I become part of the system. Thanks for the suggestion though.
>>98734823>>98730283Wow how have I not seen that before? I was wondering why he got so angry about these threads but its not about these threads at all.
>>98733864Furry flavor aside, most of your mechanical goals seem sensible.>No player facing magic yet, but was a planned feature.That's always the hardest part. Good luck with that.
>>98733177This isn't /osrg/. You fucks never stop arguing over this.
>>98735656Arguing and whinging is all this general does. None of you fucks play games you just needed a safe space to imitate whatever discord you crawled out of.
>>98735656Ignore the troll. Watch how frustrated he gets when no one replies to him and just continues to have the game discussion he's jealous of and laughably tries to deny like he thinks there's anyone left that believes anything he says.
>>98735846I'll reply to whomever I want.
>>98735855>keep giving attention to a retarded attention whoreNo good can come of it.
>>98735884First day on 4chan? If you like to tell people what to do you'll probably be happier becoming a reddit mod.
>>98735892Given how much time he spends going 'Uhh, actually you can't talk about that, it's banned on reddit' while stroking his half-chub with the underside of his arm, he might be one already.
>>98735902Not sure about that, but he does sound exactly like an Anon who does his fair share of arguing all the time. "Do as I say, not as I do." Not sure if he wants a monopoly on arguing or what.
>>98735892If you want to make things worse for everyone by ignoring sound advice, that's your call. Have all the freedom you want, just don't get upset when you're called an idiot for doing dumb things.
>>98736018>Have all the freedom you wantI don't need your permission to do anything.>don't get upset when you're called an idiot for doing dumb thingsYou're the only one who's upset here, and these posts of yours do not really betray you as a man of great wisdom or intelligence.
>false flag because everyone was ignoring himAlways just ignore the troll and anyone that replies to the troll.
>>98735211>finchWhat a small world this is.
>He's screaming about how everyone has to stop interacting with this one person (that he made up) because this is his thread and by god he makes the rulesLel, people are more interested in talking to the '/osrg/ trolls, BroSR and chuds' than they are to you, even when you make the threads.That's fucking hilarious.
>>98734712I was talking about kissing and petting but whatever.
>>98733656Not a good analogy, because hardware makes limitations and RPGs have none.B/X is more fun than 5e because you spend less time thinking about the system because there's less system to think about. 5e is dummy thicc and even just learning it isn't as fun as learning how to play OSR games.
