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>>98733738

>>98733754
I redid my build slightly for this, but I haven't finished it. I have 6 points I can't decide on.

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>>98733754

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https://rocketman405.neocities.org/

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>>98733760

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>>98733776

>>98733759
>I have 6 points I can't decide on.
Invest those points into a Signature Spell baby.

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Wake up Guardian, we got a planet to save.

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>>98733783

>>98733780
>>Magical Talent
Charms Deficiency
Dark Marks
Transphobic
Potions Affinity x2
Herbology Affinity x2
Magical Creature Affinity x2
Parseltongue
>Spells & Potions
Potion Crafting
>Perks
Brave
Perceptive
Reflexes
Hardworking
Brilliant
>Wealth & Items
Poverty
>Pets
Owl (Artix the Barn Owl)
Toad (Golem the Great Plains Toad)
Snake (Keeba the Spiny Bush Viper)
Dragon (Searinox the Hebridean Black)

Yea... about that...

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>>98733786

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>>98733791
Wake up General, we got a planet to burn.

>be you
>chilling on a subway train
>around ten o' clock, slow night
>kind of boring, but whatever
>you're sitting in the back, alone
>there's about a dozen other people
>all looking at their phones or zoned out
>suddenly one of them pulls a tattoo gun out of a duffel bag
>points at you, makes a nasally laugh, and says,
>"Hey, why don't we tattoo a slur on that guy's forehead? It'd be funny!"
>the rest of the people there get excited, suddenly enthusiastic
>you realize that they're serious as they start to get up and move
How would (You) handle this situation?

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>>98733793

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>>98733796
Flash my gun.

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>>98733796
I would assblast the vile liquid shits I was desperately holding in all over them

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>>98733798
Oh yeah, and then there's these guys I guess.

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>>98733813

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>>98733815
and then there's lore

do you guys use the disgusting jingasa, false oracular coverings, and fecal breathing cloth?

>>98733890
Naw I didn't take any of them.

>>98733796
If everyone else is automatically into this idea, I'm running to the nearest door and jumping off, or breaking out the window. I don't really have much experience with the structure of subways. There's no winning in this situation unless you're psychotic enough to turn it around on the person who initiated it, or (maybe) have a gun like >>98733802. The right to bear arms is crucial and I will have to exercise it after the anxiety this question has caused

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>>98733975

>>98733774
gave me a good laugh ngl

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>>98733975
>Dark age of Wodanheim
;_;

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>>98733774
lmao

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>>98733774
>Difficulty: Normal
>Whose Body: A Body That Died At Sundown
>Age: In Your Twenties
>Sex: Male
>Height: Middle Height
>Build: Medium Build
>Looks: An Ordinary Face

>Ordinary Life: Moderate
>Archetype: Discovery
>Discovery Boons: Power Nobody Can Revoke
>The Way In: Self-Made Through Honesty Alone
>The Hour You First Saw: Witnessed a Straw-Doll Curse
>Five Objects: Hourglass (Time)
>Sight: Names as Captions

>Charter: Technomancy Rank 3 (Magic Items + Scrivening)
>Spells: Reshape Clay Wood or Metal by Hand, Call a Being Whose Name You Know, Look With the Sight, Mend Something Broken (Magic Items), Step From One Door to Another, Raise a Shield Against Blows and Curses, Cast an Illusion Over a Person or Room (Technomancy), Find a Lost Object or Person (Technomancy), Sense Spirits and Unseen Beings Nearby, Make Yourself Overlooked in a Crowd, Command Machines by Reciting Their Supply Chain, Cut Power and Signal Across a Block, See Through Networks and Phone Contacts (Mobile Phone), Open or Lock Any System or Ward
>Rituals: Write a Small Spirit into a Program, Edit a Small Written Fact of the World, Store Magical Power in a Battery, Build a Machine That Answers Only You

>Supernatural Knowledge: Identifying Others and the Rules They Keep, Barrier Seal and Ward: Layering Defenses, The Collector's Eye: Appraising Magic Items
>Academic Fields: Doctorate in Physics (Technomancy + Mobile Phone)
>Professional Skills: Software Engineer (Technomancy + Mobile Phone)

>Implement: Mobile Phone That Is Nearly Curse-Proof

>Relic: God in the Machine on King Street (Software Engineer)

>Fields: Scrivening, Magic Items
>Callings: Memetic (Technomancy), Construrant (Collector's Eye)
>Burdens: Marked for Great Things
>Taboos: Never Eat Your Namesake Animal

>>98734354
>Council Seats: Say the Land Acknowledgement and Mean It

>Challenges: Walk Openly on the Witch-Hunters' Night, Your Name Leaks From the Council Register, The Hammer Files a Finding Against You, Something Hungry Claims Your Hospitality (Identifying Others), A Glyph Spreads From Graffiti Alley (Scrivening), A Cursed Pixel Swallows a Friend's Apartment (Technomancy + See Through Networks and Phone Contacts), A Grieving Professor Draws a Havour at Robarts, A Fenced Beast Finds the Greenbelt's Gaps

Master Technomancer build focused on information, infrastructure, magical cybersecurity, digital services, dealing with memetics, and being the high priest/administrator of a nascent machine god later on. Long-term goals are to entrench technomancy in Toronto (and the world at large I guess) by gradually integrating it into the local mundane infrastructure and zeitgeist and eventually turn the city into a seat of power for technomancers(most especially me of course), giving a massive home field advantage for us. (Namesake animal is ravens btw, they're cool)

Main job would basically be an occult information broker and artificer. Identifying Others, researching & making relics and magic items, investigating & selling intelligence, and turning Toronto into a technomantic paradise (dystopia). Eventual plan is to promote mundane technological & infrastructure developments that just so happen to benefit technomancers in ways that doesn't piss off Karma. Then we'll have sensors up the wazoo, smart infrastructure, internets of things, automated surveillance, etc. Innos will see it as modernization (aka Flock/Palantir tyranny) while other practitioners see the city become increasingly machine-readable for my craft. Once I'm sufficiently established I'm planning on buying the building with the God in the Machine and turn that into my homebase, maybe demesne, and maybe make up some company like Theosis Computing Solutions.

>>98733774
There is little I hate more than imageless CYOAs

>>98734357
The other anon is right, this cyoa has so many synergies and hidden options its legitimately tiring to write about them. Might make a bigger writeup later, this one barely touches on the synergies or big plans.

>>98729067
TechGOD craftKING asymmetric city-sage of course

>>98731751
Nope. Why would it be?

>>98733774
I dislike this setting

I am so invested in cyoag's sweet little lies that I remember that one anon promising a nobleman cyoa all the way back in January...

>>98734513
February soon bro

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Two more weeks... Two more figurines... Two more years...

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And don't forget to
TRUST. THE. PLAN.

There is no plan. There is no hope, no trust, no joy left. We are cursed, wretched beings.

>>98734354
>>98734357
Cringe Techno-chad

>>98734542
This had the megumi to be one of the greatest cyoas of all time. Now its just our greatest disappointment. I guess you should never trust someone who calls themselves a "chad".

>>98734552
>"I HAVE OC!"
>"Have some goddamn faith Anon!"
>"One. Last. WIP!"
Are Authors just Dutch from Red Redemption?

>>98734616
Who's the Megumi author of cyoag?

>>98734370
Nta but maybe because of this
>Knowing a device's supply chain means knowing its mines, where children dig cobalt by hand, and the Ledger (the universe's karma accounts) counts a buyer who knows as sharing in the wrong. Data stored abroad, in the cloud, is foreign ground, and your workings reach it only at ordinary strength.
>Every "I agree" you click (the terms of service on every app and website) is now an oath. You have agreed to hundreds, and one of them was drafted by Mann, Levinn and Lewis, the law firm that works for Demons, the beings that exist to unmake the world.
>You carry the full weight of every chain you know, including every mine and every child in it. The network looks back: a Nex Machina (a digital spirit of urban legend that isolates and absorbs lonely people) knows your name and is patient.

>>98734552
Don't forget that the cultivator one isn't finished either

>>98734629
>Meet husanon
>"He has the potential to rival nxtb"
>"His completed OC will go crazy"
>"He'll release Luminary eventually"
>"Just wait till he comes back!"
>Give me liberty.
>Give me fire.
>Give me never-ever prompts.
>Or I retire.
>0 OC
>0 Relevance
>100 unfinished WIPs
>"If" and "When" but never "Is"

>>98734657
Luminary 1.0 and Heroic Witch Slaver cyoa(or whatever he's calling that one) 1.0 in December bro, trust

>>98734624
Kek, they absolutely are

>>98734663
Don't forget the demigod colonization wip. And I think there are two other wips he talked about that I don't remember the details of.

>>98734629
EA. A grand total of ONE single successful OC under his name. His fame is definitely overblown.

>>98734629
radiantanon

>>98734677
Surprisingly alot of authors are like that.

>>98734697
Those who burn twice as bright last half as long...

>>98734697
He's a potential man author because he's treated like he's the second coming of SDA but doesn't have the OC catalogue to back it up.

tok please post the cyoa to end all cyoas now. I can't stand the soullessness of cyoag any longer

I had a WIP mostly vaguely inspired by Fate and ever so slightly by Isekai Bounty Hunter, so you're sent by god to fix a bunch of warped parallel worlds a la Lostbelts from FGO. The worlds are warped in a sense that they do have a "storyline" but it's broken, self-referential and archetypes present in them are also corrupted, i.e. a noble king archetype is instead a cold, detached tyrant, or a story about secret magic society is warped into world war of supernatural, etc. It's more about stories, archetypes and legends being "retold" wrongly, like someone who doesn't understand them would.
I actually planned out the power picking section, two of five worlds... And it just kind of stopped there. Like a switch turned off; no inspiration, no idea what to do next, no idea why I even thought this silly thing was interesting or worth fleshing out.
It's so bizzare to look at something you've created (at least partly) and just feel nothing but confusion. No "I'll do it later" or "Okay, this is kinda cringe, but..." or even "I want to rewrite what I have". Just nothing.
It's sad.

>>98734657
Remember the Luminary WIP spam, the drawbacks meltdown or the artifact-abuser shitshow? I remember. I bet huspedo was stroking his tiny clit while laughing uproariously at the chaos he's created knowing full well that the thing dozens of anons are invested in is never coming out.

Cyoas where good things happen?.. Cyoas where everything is going to be okay?

>>98734722
Ultimate God? basically all the major threats got dealt with before you show up.

>>98734216
;___;

>>98734718
The drawbacks were whatever so dunno what that was about

>>98734714
>Fate
Boring

>>98734629
>>98734713
>Meet potential tok
>"He has the potential to rival italics"
>"His next troongoonslop will go crazy!"
>"He'll fix dragonfall eventually"
>"Just wait till he finishes painting his 40gay toys!"
>Give me liberty.
>Give me fire.
>Give me humiliation rituals.
>Or I retire.
>0 OC
>0 Relevance
>7 accounts of bestiality
>"If" and "When" but never "Is"

>>98734714
Doesn't sound silly to me

>>98734724
I don't like ultimate goy
It's uncomfy

>>98734714
You lost interest because you realised cyoag was a wasteland unfit to build anything new in. Maybe if it were 10 years ago when we had more than Tok/Wodan and leNPCman it would have been different.

>>98734727
He purposely made drawbacks as contrived and annoying as possible to ragebait anons. It was pretty funny honestly.

>>98734729
>Potential to rival italics
Funny how this used to be "has the potential to rival SDA" and then he actually did rival SDA. Italics barely even a stepping stone for the indomitable Tokhaar.

>>98734714
You burnt out, it happens. The last part is very relatable. I still cringe when I look back at my early cyoa "builds" which were pretty disjointed shopping lists.

Tok fucking sucks lmao.

SOFTIE
WHERE R UUU

>>98734739
My cyoagger, cyoag is a wasteland because no one wants to make OC, nothing else.

>>98734714
post the wip

>>98734759
And why do you think no one wants to make oc? because there's no one worth making oc for.
When the thread is visibly active and alive it makes you want to be a part of something, when it's dead you want nothing to do with it.

>>98734760
Don't say these words

Gil ;-;

Why did some anons ever pretend we hate wipkino?

>>98734794
We hate WIPposting. Normally. But things aren't normal now, the drought is too bad.

>>98734802
Wrong. We still hate WIPslop. Hang all WIPposters. Behead all WIPposters. And any anon spotted asking for wip to be posted is to be executed as well.

>>98734822
Want me to post my wips before you decide to execute me?

>>98734831
Yes

; l worus.

>>98734728
Shut up.

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Ah, Nasuverse, the setting arguably more fucked up than even wh40k.

>>98734946
It's not fucked up, it's silly. It's like every schoolyard/chuuni roleplay mashed together. Special death eyes, summoning legends to fight with bullshit abilities and everyone takes it all so seriously while also everything basically boils down to "the only rule is the rule of cool". It's endearing in the best way.

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>>98735064

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>>98735068

>>98735064
That last section is familiiar. Wodan stole a bunch of cyoas and taped them together again?

>>98735064
>>98735076
>war under heaven
>wa nder heavn
>wodervn
>wodan
O.O

>>98735076
It is a rather ancient cyoa.

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>>98735076
>wodan time travelled to post his frankenstein slop in 2017

>>98735089
Like hell it is. I made it yesterday.

>>98735096
What was the earliest date Tok was active?

It breaks my heart to say, guys, but I think you actually, legitimately lost it.

I will go beyond mere wip posting and start talking about making an updated version of a cyoa that I haven't even made yet. And then I'll talk about how cool it is and make a FAQ for it.

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I don't make cyoas I only make wips and pretend I'll some day finish them but I never do just to watch cyoag squirm

I often ask /cyoag/gers what they want to see in a cyoa (I'm not actually making a cyoa)

cyoas with this feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yMozrDEqbg

I will add Rat Empathy and Cat Empathy as choices into my superpower CYOA. They are mutually exclusive. Cats are smarter but aren't immediately willing to risk their lives for you, rats are dumber but will risk their lives for you.
There also will be Roach Empathy but it just gives you a roach monstergirl waifu and nothing else.

>>98735145
Is she like all the roaches in the world united into a single being? Otherwise i don't know why it wouldn't let you interact with other roaches

>>98735150
No, she's just really hot and generally useful. But the actual roaches are too stupid to be affected by Empathy abilities.

tok... post the oc...

>>98735165
Why are the roaches dumb?

>>98735195
Such is their lot in life. Same reason why anonworms are useless.

>>98735169
But nobody wants hentai heroine.

>>98735165
>Really hot
Is the roach a loli?

>>98734496
I really like this setting

What bothers you about it, anon?

>inb4 no immortality
But there is tho!

>>98734714
I’d love to see it finished anon but I understand if your motivation is gone for good.

>>98735297
It kinda rubs me the wrong way

>>98735417
The karma system mainly probably

>>98734794
Aro and hus abused it.

GIVE ME OC OR GIVE ME WIPS

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>>98735287
No.

>>98735540
bro what are you trying to hide with that tiny img, you've barely even made anything

>>98735540
looks like a BTGanon cyoa. I hate BTGanon

>if casters aren't required to adhere to the rules of reality, neither should martials, so let me Raiden the shit out of the boss, reee, REEEEE

That solution works fine if you're coming from an anime/weaboo/video game background but a lot of people who play martials don't want to play someone who breaks reality in that way. They want to play Conan or Aragorn or Lancelot. They want to be strong and tough and skilled with a sword, and that's it. No special skills or advantages (being masterful alone is a kind of magic - “he’s a wizard with a sword”). Maybe you can get away with letting them kick down a solid oak door or deflect an arrow with their sword but anything beyond that clashes with the archetype they want to play.

I have found that you can get by using magic items. In my experience at least some of this type of player are determined to have their character stay purely mundane but don't mind if he picks up the ability to fly from a magic cloak or a blessing he's gifted by a nymph or whatever. Or maybe you become a wizard over time as you learn more and collect more.

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>>98735559
WEEWOOWEEWOOWEEWOO

>>98735558
I like BTG's visual style and of the ones with palatable subject matter Animus is definitely a GOAT. But I was really trying to imitate more Cindergateanon (does he have a name?). At first I even used his font (Bahnschrift) but it has a huge problem, the commas and full stops are almost identical at small text size.

>>98735586
>Cindergateanon
no idea who that is

>>98735581
She's just boiling some pasta. Please understando.

>>98733774
God theres so many hidden options and hidden tabs in this CYOA its insane. Played two builds so far, standard difficulty one was able to become Lord and the very hard difficulty one unlocked the Horrors, Diabolism, Abyss, etc hidden tabs from low karma.

>>98735597
Matterjeeta is washed... Literally just shaking and babbling incoherently.

>>98735610
>Matterjeeta is washed
A jeet? washing?
Unless it's in a filthy fecal river, highly doubtful

How anyone can stand to even be near jeets is beyond me.

>>98735359
>I’d love to see it finished
Liar

>>98735551
Darn

Talk about spirit conscript again.

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?

>>98735666
Why would I lie? Do you think he’s the only person who likes Fate and Isekai Bounty Hunter (micha’s best work)? I’d definitely build anon’s oc

>>98735713
Anons are really bored it seems.

>>98735710
Fun Fact: Only Flow builds get a pass on having Overpowered potential due to how expensive and codependent their techniques on synergy.

>>98735754
If you aren't going overpowered you're just playing the cyoa wrong.

>>98735754
I went overpowered and limitless meridians but kept alchemy at G0 kek.

>>98735769
>uncharismatic bum
Just like in real life then?

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>>98735696
If you insist
>>98735710
>Race
Human
>Potential
Talented
>Scenario
All
>Conscription
Shopkeeper
Institute Apprentice
>Location
Feudal Spirit Châteaus
>Benevolent Alterations
Pure Pool
Sacred Fountain
Charismatic
Limitless Meridians
Prodigy
>Malevolent Alterations
Age Disjunction (Younger)
>Ambivalent Alterations
Overtime
Signature Technique (Sorcerer's Servant Eye)
>Aura System
Vast Generalist
>Recovery Disposition
Meditation
Nutrition
>Affinities
Core G3
Phase G3
Flow G3
Alchemy G3
>Training
Deceit (Legendary)
>Release Techniques
Sense Aura
Body Enhancement
Master Status-Transmigration
Sorcerer's Servant Eye
>Equipment
Discerning Traditional Garments
Bottomless Gourd
Shaman's Kundala
>Factions
Ninokata (Ally)
Blue Demon Clan (Foe)
Hellion Mob (Nemesis)
>New Sect (The Endless Eye)
Feudal Spirit Chateaus
Luxury
Specialists
Secrets (Special Advantage)
>Campaigns
Visitations to the Mortal World
Filler Arc
Technique Collection
Ghost at the Party
Final Exam
Field Study
Night of Lantern Bugs
Ruin Raider
The Jade Sovereign's Orthodoxy
>Relationships
Dr. Aki (Companion)
Yomi (Companion)
Ming Yue (Companion)
Kansuke (Rival)

Idea is to be super duper charismatic so I can easily manipulate people into binding pacts (and while the eye doesn't work on them it will also help with making deals with spirits). Alternatively I can just kill them with Transmigration or my Companions and bind them that way. Since I have Limitless Meridians and Signature Technique I can use their techniques much more effectively, and I have access to a bunch of learnable techniques through my Sect, the Institute and my Companions.

>>98735754
i disagree because that synergy produces bigger results, flow techniques have way more synergies than other affinity techniques do which means that stacking mutliple of them is way stronger, and on top of that one of the main tells that a technique is especially strong is if it has conditional extra expenditures of aura on top of activation which is very common with flow techniques, so feeling like you're taxed by not having encompassing world avatar and maybe omnipotent syncthronicity of elements is stupid in the same way if you'd think the same thing about the other elements and their respective legend status and similar support techniques

incidentally, i was just making an overpowered flow build even though i don't gravitate towards the affinity normally, i decided on flame and shadow for aesthetic reasons and then just dumped the normal suspects on top (the three master statuses, the legend status, and omnipotent synchronicity), besides that i also went with resolute center and oscillating motion so that there's even more benefit from reified champion since your physical abilities enhance your conductions through it

it's extremely strong even though my conduction chocies were aesthetic rather than minxmaxed, it's a lot more difficult to make something comparatively strong in the direct combat specialty with the other affinities, and that even includes core

>>98735783
Yeah let’s go with that pal. Come back when you read some of the alterations and skills.

>>98735787
>not overpowered
>had to take limitless mershittians to not be an instant jobber
Why even bother.

>>98735801
you may not like it, but limitless meridians is what peak performance looks like

unironically

>>98735710
Any ideas for a flow immortality technique?

>>98735801
Honestly I only took LM because it makes the Eye's techniques better

>>98735597
You should stay on /v/. You seem to be doing well there.
>>748500265

>>98735819
i always interpreted that as barely being the case, it's not talking about raw affinities, it's talking about all the work it takes to carve the techniques themselves into your aura system

>>98735831
The techniques rely on your aura system, so just like if you were doing it yourself having a higher affinity should logically make your techniques better.

>>98735825
Meant for
>>98735559
But I got dickstacted while making this post.

>>98735842
yes, but barely, the main thing sorcerer's servant eye is talking about in that context is the training of specific techniques, not having an appropriate aura system

so even if you have flow g3 and have a slave with rending scission conduction, forcing them to use it with your aura system is still going to be very weak because you've never trained up that technique, though it'll still be somewhat stronger than if you only had less than flow g3

>>98735819
They have no affinity and affinity doesn't affect your techniques anyways.

>>98735559
>It’s cute and funny
matterloli...

>>98735842
oh, and in some cases weakness doesn't really matter, like if you have a slave with void paper sigil you basically don't need to learn it, it doesn't matter if the sigil takes longer to activate or something

>affinity doesn't affect your techniques anyways.
it does though, using a g1 technique with g3 affinity makes it stronger than its stated description

>>98735870
>>98735862

>>98735870
>makes it stronger than its stated description
It doesn't.

>>98735853
Why would it be barely? That defeats the whole point of affinities. Like I'm not saying that LM actually deals with the whole 'you've never actually trained this technique before', those are seperate issues, but it should logically make a noticeable difference in the performance of those techniques.

>>98735877
bro, do you just do this every thread, go around and make patently false claims and hope nobody bothers to actually tell you where the text says you're wrong so you can confuse people?

yes they do, all of the affinity paragraphs say it, for example when core g3 or flow g3 tell you your core techniques are super powerful it's not talking about specifically only g3 techniques, it's talking about all of them

fuck off retard

>>98735897
you're conflating affinity and technique learning

affinities allow you to train a technique, you still need to train the technique before you can use it though

that's how techniques are trained, they aren't just "i know how this is done so now i can do it", they're basically structures carved into your aura system that work on their own, if you didn't do that training then your aura system is untrained for a given technique whether you know exactly how it works or not

this does mean that such a slave would make it way more convenient to train the technique, but the work of carving it into your meridians would still need to be done before you overcome the weakness mentioned in sorcerer's servant eye

this is also why for example technique training time is bounded by aura availability and why the aura burst speeds up training, people can carve a lot more technique structures into their meridians when they have a ton of aura available

>>98735913
We have a couple of incorrigibly bad actors here.

>>98735913
>anon is actually dying on this affinity hill
Lol, lmao. Retard. Neither of those tell you your techniques get stronger. The only things that get better are your skills which in turn scale some techniques. You're thinking of core which gets better from athletics which athletics gets better from affinity.

>>98735947
no, it very literally says all your techniques get stronger in the affinity descriptions specifically, this has nothing to do with core and athletics, core at g3 alone is stronger than core at g2 alone, regardless of athletics

then there's also a paragraph under the release technique intro that says the same thing, something about leaps and bounds stronger

you're comprehensively wrong

>>98735947
And alchemy with ceremony don't forget ceremony.

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>>98735969
it's a separate bonus, alchemy g3 is already stronger than alchemy g2, whether you have ceremony or not

ceremony is a kind of poor example anyway since it doesn't touch on like two thirds of what alchemy does, and you'd for example want scholar or tinkering for techniques like transmutation, while athletics covers everything core does

>>98733774
Wait is this just a fucking pact/pale cyoa?

>>98735807
Objectively true but also part of the reason why SC is boring to actually make a build for. Having options that are clearly far superior than others and results in samey builds is a rookie mistake I would expect from a new author, not PCA.

>>98735963
It never says your techniques get stronger in affinity. It also doesn't say your affinities make your techniques stronger in the release technique intro.

>>98735984
the problem is that everyone else is a narrower specialist while limitelss meridians is a specialist of everything, those can't coexist

>>98735980
Fwiw I agree with you mostly on affinities but I wanted to bait the ceremony hater from last thread.

>>98735787
Buildspammer Sovereign...

>>98735993
Limitless meridians are the jack of all trades master of none. They spread themselves to thin.

>>98735997
Sovereign only builds overpowered so that can’t be him

>>98736002
Completely untrue.

>>98735997
I would never make a non overpowered build and i'm very happy with my current build.

>>98735992
>It never says your techniques get stronger in affinity.
yes it does

combine these four quotes:
core g3:
>Your Core Techniques release with the power of a rampaging beast, mastered to their utmost potential.
phase g3:
>When you use Phase Techniques, you use them as a practiced master with nearly unapproachable acumen.
flow g3:
>When you use Flow techniques, you maximize their power and strategic utility to its greatest imaginable extent with few equals in Youdu.
alchemy g3:
>Your command of sorcery puts you among the great Sages of old, if not in title then in prowess.

with the following quote about techniques:
>A skilled user can optimize the strength and efficiency of their Techniques by leaps and bounds beyond their stated limits.

>>98736002
no, limitless meridians is the master of all, that's the problem

sure you can't start with a ton of investment in everything, but this is a cyoa where you can just train techniques in the future

hell the aura burst is right there as an option if you want to train +60 points of techniques super fast

>>98736010
None of that says your lower techniques get stronger. The quote about techniques says you can optimize them if you're good at techniques, not that your affinities make them better. Try again.

>>98735913
I'm not saying that having a high affinity will train me in whatever technique I happen to be using, because that's not what affinity does. I am saying that having a higher natural talent for the technique will make it better than if I had a lower one.

>>98736020
nope, the affinities directly talk about your skill, and that skill is referenced in the technique post

check mate

>>98736022
this is correct, but i'm saying while it does make you a bit better, it's not comparable to actually knowing the technique, you are still severely weakened

i hope you however do realize how very broken it is to have a perfect rainer for a technique they already know, it's basically stronger than prodigy to just have them train the technique for you, and it also skips the awkward question of whether you can even find information about how a technique works so you can start training it, you just get that by default by enslaving a user of the technique

>>98736010
Softies build in an aura burst is kind of insane when you think about it. Doesn't he regenerate aura naturally in a few seconds with how massive his pool is with sacred fountain? By that logic wouldn't he be able to train techniques super fast normally and the aura burst would make his entire pool regeneration basically instant?

>>98736030
meant for >>98735913

>>98736030
yes, it's very strong to take high aura regen, especially if he also has prodigy, but he's too dumb to notice and seems to be focusing on all sorts of other things where the aura regen is way less of a benefit, and even if he wasn't too dumb to notice it probably still wouldn't occur to him to hoard technique knowledge before the burst so he can just train for 3.5 days during it without wasting precious time

>>98736030
we can't forget that there are other ways of getting the same or even greater benefits though, universal sovereign, if you use it right, could give you thousands of times more regen than anytihng you can get as a baseline, and there are other simpler ways of making aura regen networks, like even yokai default to having an aura drain technique for free and draining a bunch of people every day could already accelerate you a lot, but there are other ways like some sigils too

>>98736039
NTA, but personally I just use mind split+aura drain and have a lot of aura slaves, pretty much has the same effect and it's essentially free for my build as I was going to do a yokai with mind split anyways, mind split on its own is an op training multiplier

>>98736028
>this is correct, but i'm saying while it does make you a bit better, it's not comparable to actually knowing the technique, you are still severely weakened
Again, I'm not saying LM will make my techniques equal to where they would be if I knew them myself, I'm saying it'll make them notable better than they would be if I didn't have it.
Also to help deal with this I have Signature Technique (which per WOG does make the techniques my bound souls use stronger) and Prodigy.

>i hope you however do realize how very broken it is to have a perfect rainer for a technique they already know, it's basically stronger than prodigy to just have them train the technique for you, and it also skips the awkward question of whether you can even find information about how a technique works so you can start training it, you just get that by default by enslaving a user of the technique
Yeah, that is also another thing I plan on making extensive use of.

>>98736070
i agree that mind split is very strong, but you need to be careful about what it means to have a distributed aura system like that

for example, in my mind slit build, i considered having a bunch of youdu sleepers that only regen aura while spending that aura to do shit on earth, this should mean that most of my aura regen is working at youdu speed but it's not actually confirmed anywhere

this does bring to mind the fact that it may not even make your technique training faster to be mind split, if training a technique means you're carving it into your aura structure, there's no certainty that having more bodies to do that with is beneficial, it could be that just a single one is already making full use of the potential

>Again, I'm not saying LM will make my techniques equal to where they would be if I knew them myself, I'm saying it'll make them notable better than they would be if I didn't have it.
anon i've already agreed with this three times by now, i just think that while it would obviously help, it still wouldn't be getting rid of the basic weakness problem

>>98736081
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>>98736030
Yea that was a decently big portion of what I said when I originally posted the build. I'm fully self sufficient for aura and have access to spirits who are the proprietors of all kinds of secret techniques and hoarded knowledge, and I took secrets special advantage for my sect to show this. I don't really need to learn many more techniques, and mostly focus on spirit ones. I wanted to make new techniques, like coming up with a technique to do a kodoku jar and merge spirits, making a technique to create spirits like soul coagulation, making a technique to channel spirits through you like a temporary fusion without permanently turning you into one, and coming up with a better form of alchemy immortality than universal sovereign. I really like eye techniques, so making a spirit tuned eye power like Exorcists Pure Eye or something to affect spirits and maybe see across dimensions would be cool.

>>98736081
>anon i've already agreed with this three times by now, i just think that while it would obviously help, it still wouldn't be getting rid of the basic weakness problem
When did I say that it would?

>I don't really need to learn many more techniques
see what i meant? too dumb to notice his strengths, thinks about random bullshit that matters way less instead

>>98736091
>i always interpreted that as barely being the case...
>yes, but barely...
>this is correct, but i'm saying while it does make you a bit better...

>>98736101
Okay, and when did I say LM would completely restore the technique's strength?

>>98736104
the point we were looping around was if it helps you remove the weakness, starting from
>Why would it be barely? That defeats the whole point of affinities.
i kept saying very little, you kept not adding that modifier, so we just went in a circle like that

and apparently still are

>>98736081
Well mind splitting is a massive buff simply because it resolves a lot of logistical problems like a regular person wouldn't be able to train 24/7 because they would have other obligations, sleep, etc. but if you have multiple bodies there is nothing stopping at least one of your bodies doing the training at all moments in time.

>>98736094
Least illiterate shitposter. The big kids are talking right now.

>>98736119
sure, though you could default to the same as an undead which can just meditate in a coffin for 200 years

it's an extremely strong technique to the point i refuse to use it after one build

>>98736123
i like that you're calling yourself a child, very self-aware of you, maybe you're not quite as dumb as i thought

>>98736126
This anon is definitely the same retard as >>98736020

>>98736116
Okay, so the question is just 'how big is the difference between G0 untrained guy and G3 untrained guy'. Well going by the descriptions I think it should be pretty big.

>>98736137
that guy is literally the dude i argued with the most in this thread lmao, try again

>>98736138
yeah, like going from 0.1% nominal power to 2% nominal power is a 200% increase, and 200% is huge

>>98736149
>>98736138
i meant 2000% obviously, but the point still stands

>>98736138
Personally I would say that the most powerful aspect of having all G3 affinities is popping out those uber powerful kids, its going to fuck over the entire power balance of youdu in a few generations.

>>98736169
i don't think it's guaranteed to give all your kids g3, they'll probably be more normal top-tier scions, similar to the other factions and great if you're starting your own new sect

also the description of limitless meridians says it's almost unheard of or something like that, not literally unprecedented, so there's a bit of that in the mix too

>>98736149
Nice try anon but that was me not you.

>>98736172
Well it explains that bloodlines determining affinity are hereditary and that genetically speaking your a golden opportunity for the dynasties of youdu if they secure your geners. Which implies that Limitless miridians might be heritable. So even if every child is going to be born with all the G3 affinities its probably still going to make those children extremely potent compared to most people in youdu. The power system in spirit conscript seems highly eugenics based

>>98736186(correction)
*so even if not every child going to be born with

>>98736186
>Which implies that Limitless miridians might be heritable.
it can also just meant that really good aura systems are heritable, it would still be a gold mine at that point, look at the retarded shit the ninokata are doing over one phase g3 kid and some misandry

>its probably still going to make those children extremely potent compared to most people in youdu.
certainly

People should post more spirit conscript builds.

>>98736149
More like 10% power to 40%

>>98736198
I kinda wonder if G3 is a hard limit or only a soft cap and potentially there can exist G4 or higher? The big spirits seem to be capable of pulling bullshit on some other level

How can I justify gods crossing into different worlds that shouldn't really have gods so you can make pacts with them dragonfall style?

>>98736211
oh, that's easy, divine colonialism the gods want more lands to spread their belief and gain more worshipers, the places that shouldn't have gods are just locations that their grubby hands haven't reached yet or that were capable of defending themselves against their spread.

>>98736205
nah, that's way too generous for just affinity to move it that far on its own, at that point you'd have a completely different setting where g3s just use techniques based on vibes at 40% power so why ever learn any technique for real, very obviously going against the intent

>dragonfall style
Gross, I think someone just farted

>>98736221
That doesn't make sense. You'd still have to actually know how to do the technique, G3 isn't exactly common, and 40% isn't exactly good. I mean the borrowed techniques are still meant to be usable, even if weak.

This reminds me of my chimera build. What do you think is better to start with for making super-chimeras, vessel transfer or extinction relapse. Im leaning Extinction relapse because it gives supernatural DNA and traits while vessel transfer doesn't seem to actually let you edit pre-existing bodies.

>>98736239
personally, assuming we start with your assumption of 10%, i think the sequence would go something like 10% to 15%, not randomly 40%, there's no way that much of a contribution would happen from affinity alone

also even at 1% they'd still be usable, maybe the combat ones couldn't compete but a lot of utility techniques wouldn't actually be much worse even with that kind of power malus

of course this is just my interpretation, you can do whatever you like in your own fantasy, including making your particular choices the best one by fiat

>>98736241
for useful ones that do waht you want? mind split + efflorescence of monstrosity + vessel transfer + perfect perspective or hypnotist's spiral eye, this lets you turn someone you dislike into a tardbeasts that behaves exactly the way you want

for out of control chimeras that just fuck shit up, chimera nucleus + unbinding of the abyss lords

>>98735982
yep

>>98736246
NTA but what is with these percentages anyways? Doesn't G3 just make you learn the techniques faster? Kinda seems strange to assume that you can use technique without training.

>>98733774
needing to know the full production chain to use digital magic is retarded since it's the software that is doing the magic not the hardware, you should need to know the history of programming and "information chain" behind the program not some irrelevant bs like which mines they got the materials for the computer from

>>98736246
There's no way in actual hell the techniques were meant to be 100 times weaker, come on now. Even utility techniques would be basically nonexistant with this. Given the differences implied by the description 10-40% is much more reasonable (though I could probably be talked down to 30%).

>>98736249
Thats not at all what I asked and just downright terrible suggestions.

>>98736241
definitely vessel transfer as it can give your chimeras some op alterations while extinction relapse might be counter productive what if one of the chimeras escapes and makes one of the components you used no longer extinct? then you can't summon it.

>>98736267
you can use sorcerer's servant eye to enslave someone who knows a technique you don't and have them use your own aura system to cast it, and if it's a technique you don't know it's severely weakened from normal, anon and i are discussing our different interpretations of what that means

we have previously in this thread established that higher affinity does equal being better and stronger at using the same technique, like if you compare a g1 technique used by a g1 aura user and the same g1 technique used by a g3 aura user, the second one will be a lot stronger, this isn't really a matter of interpretation, you just need to read the cyoa properly

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>>98735064
>you get to choose the setting

>>98736278
>>98736241
Vessel transfer theoretically allows you to grant alterations, but this is a bad idea for something expendable like a chimera, since even for Kofuko it had "permanent costs".

>>98736269
I mean you're arguing with Spirits who are actually retarded. It makes sense that its incredibly convoluted because how would you convince them about ownership of software and digital products? That shit is still debated by corporations and courts. Remember, the Spirits are the ones who legitimize your magic, so it's their ruling on how its supposed to be that makes it possible in the first place. Works off what they know in a way they can track it, tracing physical production and linking it to individuals in the similar vein of how Implements can be traced back to their creators, with most of the same stipulations of having such a connection still in play.

>>98736286
Isn't the permenent cost from the speeduped training not the alterations?

>>98736282
That's a prerequisite for a cyoa being good

Any cyoa with its own setting is always extremely small and undeveloped, just look at what a nothingburger of a setting spirit conscript has, it's so teeny tiny and unfinished, there's no way to make any sort of decent fantasy with it

>>98736211
>God
>has limitations
then it's not a God just a powerful magician

>>98736291
Everything about your chargen is part of it. You could cherry pick that alterations aren't, even though they're the most useful part of the process, but that seems self-indulgent to me.

>>98736211
I mean they're gods, they can do what they want no?

>>98736289
I am going to take 3 levels in Karmic Law and make a legal argument that is so good they'll have no choice but to use the software's production chain instead of the hardware's production chain no matter how retarded they are

>>98736301
>>98736295
depends on the setting

inb4 autists start arguing words have objective meaning separate from how they're used

>>98736310
sorry but if your God isn't all-powerful and all-knowing then it's not a real God just a bargain bin spirit

>>98736312
ha! you fell for the trap! i deviously hid an inb4 from you behind spoiler tags, and you fell for it! it's over for you, kiddo

>>98736278
They wouldn't get away and breed without consent, and chimeras can't de-extinct something since anything bred is just another chimera.
>>98736286
My chimeras are not expendable, but doesn't vessel transfers description seem to not say anything about editing existing vessels like say an infant chimera? I don't know if you could grant alterations to them like that which is my concern. Theoretically you could pay beast slayers or get samples of chimeras with dna you want but that sdems unreliable.
>since even for Kofuko it had "permanent costs
That seems to be kofuko specific and is never elaborated on, unrelated to vessel transfer.

>>98736305
I mean you can try, but part of getting a magic working is routine, so convincing the spirits as an individual is not even half the battle, even being acknowledged by the courts themselves. You'd probably have to try convincing members of it to change their practice, and might be better off attempting to make your own. It's pretty much set in stone far as I can see as everything is created from a foundation set much earlier, but then again even though Technomancy is about 30 years old, something like Reality Shifting is less than 3 years, so who knows. Theoretically, you only need a few hundred people to try and achieve it as that's all it took for Cultivation to become a thing.

>>98736321
>unrelated to vessel transfer.
It's explicitly related to vessel transfer, since that's what Kofuko does to you at the start of the CYOA.

>>98736332
It may be tangentially related but it has nothing to do woth the vessel transfer technique we get.its kofuko specific in some way.

>>98736295
>>98736312
Philosemitic histrionics

>>98736279
huh... well personally I would just say that you cast the technique at around 40% of its strength for your affinity level. No clue what would be the power boost gained from a G1 or G3 core, but just saying that you cast it at 40% if what you could if you had learned it sounds like an adequate enough description. I think 40% if not more it needs a decent enough number otherwise the technique gets too weak as it still cost you devotion to have these trapped souls. Hitting something at 40% is already terribly inefficient like you would need to spend 2,5 the times of aura to deal the same amount of damage.

>>98736344
You randomly claim, without anything particularly supporting your opinion from the text. We know that your chargen was performed via vessel transfer and had permanent costs, this isn't in question. If you want to cherry pick that some parts didn't have permanent costs, that's your prerogative, but there isn't really anything in the text that goes to that specific level of detail, it's just disfavored as an interpretation because of the aforementioned setup with your chargen.

>>98736368
well personally i think you'd start at 0.1% and after only one cast it would already have grown to 0.5% because the early gains of carving it into your meridians are that quick despite the fact that the author said learning a technique takes years of carving

>>98736353
I prefer to call it judeo-christian brain rot myself.

>>98736373
Its not a random claim, its the exact text of the ability and what he says. For all we know his permanent cost is him giving us the magic items we get, vessel transfer says nothing about permanent costs to you and kofuko only says he lost something for making us once in passing with no elaboration except that he is uniquely suited to do that, its ignorant to instsntly assume has anything to do with vessel transfer we can learn when he says its unique to him.

>>98736390
Anon you have information before you and you concluded that you should ignore it. Then after that, you called someone else ignorant. Lmao

>>98736373
NTA but if the technique had a really terrible personal cost it would have been written on the technique itself. If it doesn't, it probably doesn't have one otherwise we have to worry about the possibility of Kofuku being an unreliable narrator and all techniques having possible hidden costs he didn't mention in descriptions directly.

>>98736394
I accept your concession. You added nothing of value and couldn't refute what I said because its objectively true.

>>98736396
>with the potential to benefit and suffer from alterations in the same manner as Kofuko-san’s

>>98736406
It's objectively true in the sense that you can do whatever you want in your own fantasy. It's objectively false in the sense that you're ignoring the information provided to you by the supplemental document.

>>98736407
Right, which is never elaborated on if the vessel transfer technique involved a personal cost. If it did it would be said in the ability or directly by him. Kofuko even calls his loss unique.

>>98736383
oh, you assume that the technique is trainable trough the sorcerers eye, but I personally assume it is stagnant and is always going to remain at the same percentage unless you learn the technique yourself and for that you will need to go trough the whole extensive training process.

>>98736416
It is elaborated on. Kofuko says there's permanent cost. If you do the same thing in the same manner as Kofuko san, then that consequently means you'll also pay permanent cost.

>>98736414
The information provided supports me because it is not listed upon the technique and what required a cost is never elaborated on. Thank you for your concession.

>>98736424
>Kofuko says there's permanent cost.
Not to vessel transfer, jist to whatever unique thing he did/does for us. Again, this can just as easily be the fact he has a unique weapon closet we're allowed to take from. It's definitely not related to the vessel transfer technique we get since its not listed in the technique and he never elaborates on it.

>>98736421
i don't see why you'd assume that, since there's nothing stopping you from training any tehnique you want and have enough affinity for

obviously your aura system producing a technique will train your aura system to produce that technique better in the future, that's what technique training entails in this setting, and like i mentioned earlier, it's also the reason why massive amounts of aura during the aura burst mean that everyone will be learning techniques at massive speed, the bottleneck is the meridian carving which requires aura to repeatedly cycle in your aura system in the shape of the technique

>>98736407
well the benefit part is refers to benevolent alterations and the suffer part to malignant ones, there is nothing told about the cost.

>>98736432
>Not to vessel transfer, jist to whatever unique thing he did/does for us.
You're just making that up or deliberately refusing to read the CYOA. Kofuko did a vessel transfer to the reader. This is explicit. He outright says so. That's how the CYOA starts and where your chargen comes from.

>>98734640
Just use your magic to do Right deeds bro. A rank 3 Technomancer is arguably one of the most well equipped people in the city to save Innocents from supernatural stuff. Learning the supply chains of things like cameras and phones first would be best, so you can easily extend your gaze around and use the phones as proxies to contact and manipulate Innocents and the authorities, and then moving up from there.

Like in the challenge with the Havour preying on that professor, you could (truthfully) inform library maintenance staff that the carrel desks the professor is vandalizing need inspection by making a maintenance ticket in whatever software they use for scheduling maintenance and putting it at the top of the queue, causing him to get kicked out.
Next, use his phone to follow him home, then brick his thermometer to keep the heater on, making his place hot as hell and encouraging him to take a shower and change into lighter clothes.
Finally, use some money to buy a gift voucher to a high-end restaurant or something, and send it to his phone or email anonymously (don't forget to make the phone beep obnoxiously so he checks it). Call it an academic gift or whatever, as long as it gets him out his hot, stuffy house and downtown it works.

Bricking that guys thermometer might be a minor karmic bad since you used magic to negatively affect an Innocent's life, but the whole of the act is a big karmic good since you preserved Innocence and saved him from a hostile Other. If the original Pact is any indication, incidents like this are happening all the time, so you'll always have chances to wipe karmic debt from knowing supply chains.

>>98736437
That's a self-indulgent interpretation that goes against the spirit of the material.

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>>98736444
If you can't even read the paragraph you're quoting, allow me to get it for you. The quote is from the lore document and is entirely unrelated to vessel transfer, and is left entirely vague and never elaborated on. In fact, it's much more likely he's referring to giving us items, training or other capability boosting things than anything relating to vessel transfer. If it was a permanent cost from transfer, it would be listed on the technique.

I accept your concession, you have no idea what you're even arguing about.

>>98736460
Wow he even says its unique to him, the anon saying it has anything to do with vessel transfer is retarded.

>>98736460
It's not unrelated at all. It's referring to the start of the CYOA and chargen, which is explained in two different places in the main CYOA as being done via Vessel Transfer, once in the technique's own writeup, and once in the very first line of the very first paragraph in the entire CYOA.

>>98736451
that is just your interpretation which isn't anymore valid than mine in my eyes its in line with the material.

>>98736480
Our interpretations are only technically equal if you ignore all the fluff surrounding the topic and act like a lawyer instead.

>>98736471
>It's referring to the start of the CYOA and chargen
Completely up in the air and never elaborated on.
>via Vessel Transfer
Which does not have the unique permanent costs he is expending, because its unique to him, never listed in the ability, and we have no idea what the permanent costs were.

>>98736471
That text clearly says its permanent cost only he can expend and has nothing to do with the vessel transfer technique.

>>98736495
See >>98736494

You're tiresome. You've completely failed to convince me you're doing anything other than torturing the CYOA's logic for the sake of self-indulgence. You remind me of the retard who thought it was okay to make factions both foes and nemeses at the same time, because nothing technically says you can't lmao.

>>98736511
>You've completely failed to convince me
Its impossible to convince stupid people, even when the quote you tried to use directly refutes your retarded assertion.

>>98736516
Yeah, you're exactly like that guy. Have fun raping CYOAs, anon.

>>98736511
It sounds like you're the one making up fluff that isn't there anon. It has nothing to do with our vessel transfer technique.

>>98736436
huh... then I am just confused by the whole learning process if you can use the technique before your fully learned it why don't just call the process of learning only the part where you learn to cast the technique on the basic level learning and what comes after it mastery. Because doesn't this mean that if you use enough ritual phrases you can reach baseline level even if you haven't fully learned the technique?

>>98736520
I accept your concession, next time don't lie and then throw a fit when you're proven wrong.

>>98736522
you don't use it, the enslaved soul uses your aura system to use it

presumably, starting to learn a technique the normal way would also be like this 0.1% to 0.5% business, except a lot slower since you don't already know how to do it the way the enslaved soul does

>Because doesn't this mean that if you use enough ritual phrases you can reach baseline level even if you haven't fully learned the technique?
yeah, but baseline level in the sense of what's written in the cyoa, not in the sense of how good you would be with a properly learned technique

>>98736494
Death of the Author, rules lawyering is a completely valid way to play a cyoa, finding ways to break the system is half the fun.

Are anons as cute as their anime avatars irl

>>98736526
You don't have any concession, you cheating dumbass. Learn how to read.

>>98736539
The supplemental material isn't OOC, so death of the author doesn't apply.

>>98736541
Yes

>>98736544
>reading the material and not jumping to conclusions that aren't supported by the material is cheating
Your reading comprehension is just lacking and you were proven wrong by the quote you tried to use that I posted.

>>98736544
still possible for interpretation as the great cost part was only said in the context of speed learning the techniques, there was nothing about alterations and vessel transfered isn't mentioned to have the ability to speed teach techniques so these things don't seem connected.

>>98736544
It's not cheating you're just retarded and grasping at straws.

>>98736547
>>98736561
Ignoring the parts of the CYOA you don't like is at best sartre, but considering how obstinate you're being you're clearly just cheating.

>>98736551
It's technically possible, the problem is that all the fluff that surrounds it points in the opposite direction. Just like it was technically possible for the author to be fine with you taking foe and nemesis against the same faction, even though common sense should tell you that's not how it works.

>>98736565
>Ignoring the parts of the CYOA you don't like is at best sartre
Stop sartring vessel transfer to have a permanent cost then, I don't know why you're making yourself a jobber like that when it isn't said so in the cyoa.

>>98736571
Stop sartreing that it doesn't and we can start talking.

>>98736565
Anon YOU are the one ignoring the text and saying things that arent there.

>>98736573
I accept your concession. If you want to be a perma cost jobber you need to sartre that you learn whatever unique thing kofuko does that has a permanent cost.

Glock: cyoas/cyoag
Bird: shitposters (wodan, tok, gil, gilfag, etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll1sGuWlWIc

>>98736576
They're right there, anon. You're just pretending they aren't.

>>98736578
You can accept a suck of my farts.

>>98736591
You can be mad and throw a piss baby tantrum that you were wrong but that doesn't make you any less wrong, it just makes you look even more stupid lmao.

>>98736595
I'm still right, and you're still ignoring reality.

I accept your concession, by the way.

>>98736591
You can't point out any text that tells you vessel transfer is definitively the permanent cost, and the text isn't even mentioning vessel transfer anywhere near the perma cost part. You're hallucinating making a power worse for no reason and completely unsupported.

>>98736598
So anon any other horribly stupid interpretations you need debunked or just wanna continue this meltie?

>>98736565
>It's technically possible, the problem is that all the fluff that surrounds it points in the opposite direction. Just like it was technically possible for the author to be fine with you taking foe and nemesis against the same faction, even though common sense should tell you that's not how it works.
Yes, and it being technically possible allows one to invoke Death of the Author as its a valid interpretation that does not contradict the text. As vessel transfer was never mentioned directly to have a great cost.