Biker Gangs From Space edition▶Previous edition: >>98603674▶What is /gwsg/?A thread to talk about Games Workshop's specialist and spin-off games which fall between the cracks.Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, K*ll Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster......and any other GW system and board game are welcome.▶Helpful resources (feel free to suggest additions!):https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0V▶TQ: With the new Orlocks announced yesterday, and the fact that Goliath and Escher were announced a week apart at the start of August, what do you think we're getting next week for Newcromunda? Or, if you like, for GW to sell us as new models for older editions?
>>98749019Correction: previous thread is >>98672278, as opposed to the one I left in the OP like the dumbass I am
Completed the Black Orc team. Hope to have them painted by the end of the week.
>>98749019>TQHopefully Van Saar so they can get out the house gangs as quickly as possible. I’m really hoping to see journals with more than just a single faction in them. Stuff like new scenarios, campaign variants, and fun extras.
>>98749214>journals with more than just a single faction in themNot happening, unless it's for, say, Chaos and CGC, or Malstrain and GSC - best we'll get is two journals at once for different factions.
>>98749229Oh I didn’t mean two factions in one. I’m looking at how TOW’s journals currently are, which I’m a big fan of. A collection of extra narrative content to expand the game. Maybe if there’s room an extra subfaction or something like that.
>>98749243Oh yeah, no, that'd be peak as fuck, honestly
>>98749409I think its what we’ll see after we get through at least the six houses. TOW went through a similar cadence of individual army journals, then we got the fun stuff.
>>98749019>what do you think we're getting next week for Newcromunda?REDEMPTICAWDOR.Although Delaque are meant to be the main historical rivals of Orlock in the setting, so I suppose they'd fit.
>>98749214I feel like Van Saar may end up only getting the new Leaders and Champs box, because they already got their Specialists out of Hive Secondus.
Any one have the new necromunda journals?
>>98750101Necro seems to be kill after the update.
>>98750213Probably posted in some discord or other groups.There're no rush since it's an early access game and necroraw said they will update the site to the new edition eventually.
>>98750254>necroraw said they will update the site to the new edition eventually.fuck need to archive the necroraw site then.Fucking damn it, I hate using the fucking necrodamus pdf
>>98750322they'll keep both version.
>>98750254>>98750322kek, i bet that anon is going to be insufferable when he sees this.
>>98750050Yeah, most likely only one kit, which is fine. Hopefully means they can squeeze it in alongside this release easier. My hope is that all six houses are out this year, but we’ll see about that.
Van Saar will get more lasguns in their kit.
Someone explain all the ways nuNecromunda apparently ruined the game, thanks
>>98750714I'll try to be concise about it.>lots of removed contentthere's less in the game, significantly less. some actions are gone, over half of the trading post is gone or made irrelevant. Bounty hunters are gone. That's just what I know.>every rule changedmore of a pet peeve but almost no rule is the same as before, even gun ranges got arbitrarily changed like the autogun's long range got nerfed by a fucking inch. Like who gives a shit.>nothing ever dieslethality is ass. almost every gun except heavy/specialist weapons deal 1 wound, lethality as a stat makes the enemy roll more injury dice. Flesh wound now quite literally means nothing, serious injury means down and down is almost always temporary, so that leaves the single pip chance for someone to get taken out permanently. I've had regular gangers survive getting final scene of scarface'd by plasma guns, las guns, auto guns, sniper rifles, and a flamethrower blast and still not die. Coup de grace is more reliable but even that got nerfed cause now its a strength showdown with the enemy model where attacker breaks ties and if you lose nothing happens. Hit rolls are a lot worse and every model has an armor save that can be improved by cover. Hit rolls can't be improved by attachments and nothing starts with 2+ skill by default. >games never endSee above, also bottle tests are single punishment tests that happen whenever you lose a guy. Once you fail a bottle test, one guy of your choice leaves the field, that's it, nothing more. Bottle tests used to limit game runtime but now they're very arcadey morale checks. There were a couple good changes but if you want the bad that's what I got from playing.
>>98750714one more>prone got removedI know why they did it, I still hate it and it makes the game feel less alive. Also suppressed has some broken interactions, like you can still overwatch even if your guy got hit, which is fucking stupid.
>>98750892>>98750910So are new players just stuck with this shit? I know there's a compendium of the old rules, but I feel like it'll just flat out die over the next few months as more things release because new blood will refuse to play it in favor of newer, official material.
>>98750940Younger generations and some older idiots are strangely addicted to just buying/playing the newest shit.Even the local commies do not see the irony of their eternal need of getting this week FOMO product.Hell the few that actually break free and play already existing games suffer mental breakdowns when you suggest house ruling something.Its so strange to see it.
>>98750450I can just be happily smug about it, 148 anons now downloaded it, didn't think this general had that much attendance.>https://gofile.io/d/ZybtF6YqLink to the Necrodamus 2026 edition which includes ALL of N17 with FAQ/errata integrated and some houserules(notated as such) and the minimum of absolutely necessary rules concessions where they had to be made (not all the rulebooks were referenced to each other by gw, not even in the FAQ/errata stages)
>>98750940Everyone I know who's migrating to it is "tired of how sweaty kill team is" so I give it a couple months max before they all go back when GW refills the slop trough on their side. That said no one really played old necromunda. Like every specialist game, an arbitrator who didn't know what they were doing would have their campaign rolled by some fag running an overpowered list they got off the internet, or "asking" the arbitrator if they're running some obscure bullshit rule only to exploit it to the fullest extent to run amok when they cow out and say yes. And if you don't have the inexperienced arbitrator you have the bad faith arbitrator who is just "that guy" put in an authority position. I've never seen a necromunda campaign go longer than 2 months. Some fag always ruins it.
>>98750714In addition to what anon already said, there was no good reason to change it.At least not the way GW changed it as their motivation is NEVER improving the game, it is change for the sake of making a large body of players feel the need to BUY NEW THINGS.
>>98751012So all GW specialist games are just shit, is what you're saying? We should all just fucking kill ourselves?
>>98751040You have to have a tight group to play, you should never play these games with the quite literally unwashed masses of a FLGS. For that reason I don't believe popularity really matters with specialist game rulesets.
>>98751016The things that could have changed are melee.Since the N17 rules got rapidly obsolete with the amount of bullshit some melee specialist could dish. So original way it worked (2 basic bitch gangers slap fighting) didn't cut it.Also fix the useless mess that where some skillsets.I expected something like 40k 3rd to 4th, maybe even 6th in terms of random changes.Instead we got a 3rd to 11th kind of change.
>>98751040Warmaster is pretty groovy, maybe try that before killing yourself.Or go for a 2-in-1 and commit suicide via painting a Skaven army.
>>98751040Wargames in general do not have in mind the tournamentfag mentality.They expect people to play with the intention of winning as in not intentionally building absolute mess of an army, but do not concern themself with idiots that will intentionally break the game. Because it is not a hard thing to do. Everyone can do it even by accident.Self regulation is part of the wargame experience, if you can't do that maybe videogames would be up your speed.
>>98751087>warmaster>painting>skavenSkill issue, just use excel to build your army and print it.
>>98751040>>98751054continuing, I love 'munda and its one of my favorite tabletop games. I just recognize its limitations. If you wanna play with friends I recommend old rules, if you wanna play with randos you're probably only gonna get games of nu-munda and it will likely die out pretty quick.
>>98751069because they dont do it for the gameplay, they dont give a flying fuck about the gameplay, the more busted it is the better because it just pushes more idiots to buy the new thing hoping that finally, this time, it will be a fix.
>>98750940I don't think your players would play the new munda either, and they definitely quit after 1st session playing the previous edition rule.
>>98751040>>98751054I'd say there are exceptions to this, there are specialist games you can just sit down and play with anyone, even run events for with randoms, similar to the mainline GW games. They're just not as popular. Adeptus Titanicus, Blood Bowl and MESBG are all examples of these, and the players are likely to be less sweaty and putrid than mainline GW gamers because they aren't the most popular games.
>>98751132Basically what that anon is bitching about >>98750976Wargames have always had the idiot that is trying to speedrun a hobby, but people treating it as some videogame with some kind of live service model is so strange.After all people where playing shit like the Dune boardgame decades after it stop being sold. They simply made new Dune boardgames and kept playing no need for corpo to do it for them
>>98751152Blood Bowl pickup games are okay but a running league is the true joy.
>>98751106>turning warmaster into a chit based gameHoly based.
>>98751161I like tabletop games specifically because there is permanence that is comepletely lacking from digital games.It makes me angry when a playgroup even suggests moving to the shiny new thing because I got into tabletop for the purpose of building a collection to completion over my lifetime.with blood bowl it started as "one of each roster" and then when i realized that would only take me so many years I decided "two of each roster" but when I get to that point I know I'll move the bar to "8 of each roster" so I can theoretically run mono-faction leagues off my own shelf.Although in praqtical application that will just mean anytime I decide to return to any given faction in a league I will do so without picking up the same models I used last time I played them for a year.
>>98751195>I like tabletop games specifically because there is permanence that is comepletely lacking from digital games.>It makes me angry when a playgroup even suggests moving to the shiny new thing because I got into tabletop for the purpose of building a collection to completion over my lifetime.FUCK. FINALLY. SOMEONE FUCKING SAID IT. HOLY SHIT. I WANT YOU TO TAKE A STICK WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE AND BEAT LGS REGULARS WITH IT.
>>98751168Oh, certainly, I'm just saying that these are better games when it comes to last-resort pickup play than games like Necromunda or Mordheim.
>>98751301You must be new here, I frequently make statements to this effect, some anons here bitch and moan about me sperging over the LRB6.The LRB was the one time I was okay with accepting updated rules infrequently because Jervis was working with the community to polish the rules for the sake of improved gameplay and by extension a more enjoyable gaming experience.
I'm about to arbitrate a necromunda campaign for the new edition. Does anyone know any fan rules that are recommended for use?
>>98751326I am new here, yes. I am taking the path of enlightenment after years of trodding the path of the 40kfaggot. Offer me your wisdom.
>>98751345all ive got relevant to this thread is: LRB6 for blood bowl.anon espusing the necrodamus document seems to have a good idea, though i'd wager the original necromunda would suit me just fine.kill team is foggier, the original for that is a supplement from white dwarf meant to go with an older edition of 40k and its just "take the 40k army list, split units into individual models and divide the whole unit cost by number of models to get your point values" while optionally choosing not to allow vehicles and HQ or big shit.
>>98751341Necrodamus
>>98751369Why LRB6 for blood bowl and who the hell would bother playing that?
>>98751447>whyanon just told you whyREAD>whoThe entire planet for almost 2 decades
>>98751504>againNein, stille.Ich konnt nicht wiederstehen.
Why, why, why?Why do the new Orlocks have to be infected with shitty tannies and diversity hires. How outta touch does GW have to fuckin be? I couldn't just get a bunch of bikers? Its got to be overwhelmed with dykes and troons?Sucks so bad...
>>98751701Time to go back to sleep, You've woken up too soon.
>>98751701They aren't out of touch, they actively despise you and rub their nipples while pissing on you, knowing you will pay them to do so.
>>98751918Can I suck on your nipples?
>>98750892>more of a pet peeve but almost no rule is the same as before, even gun ranges got arbitrarily changed like the autogun's long range got nerfed by a fucking inch. Like who gives a shit.I need to see that.
>>98749019confession and also cry for help to necromunda players. I like goonlike models and so have a subscription for stls from heroes infininte/raging heroes who mostly do gooner models...However their october release date looks absoluetly stunning and i want an excuse to print, paint and play with those models.Its nun with guns(not sisters) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqBOyL6sjOA with some being mexican day of the dead themed.My question for necromunda players is if i want to use them for escher, how many models do i need for a campaign and how would i spread em out for heavy weapons or melee weapons?
>>98751106Cute rats. Do you turn your table into an abstract 2d map as well?
>>98752165Depends how WYSIWYG you are. I sure hope you have the painting skill to match that choice, otherwise it'll look way shittier than poorly painted heroic detail minis and the non-munda theme will look like a dumb choice as well without the requisite skill.30 minis at most, 10 at minimum.
>>98752230Nah it was a proxy till I figure out what kind of army I wanted to play.Turns out I love spamming chaff regardless of the game.
>>98752246So the models i 100% would print would be:>sister duende>alt ver of sister soledad>sister killshot>sister nevermore>sister colors without the pillar>mad rose madonna for 1 escher bike and then for the gangers/juvesit would be like 3 matadoras, 3 sicarias assasins, 3 hermanitas and for whoever uses heavy weapons 2 las balaceras.Also mid of the month theres the sovereign expansion which will bring more alts of the units + some revamps of older files.
>>98752299I just looked at the video to see the theme/detail, I didnt go look at the minis beyond that.
>>98752165I have never seen one of those models from a 360 view.Well beside the telegram stl files and from behind they all look like ass almost 2D. So either the models are actually flat or someone is uploading flatten stl at telegram.
>>98752436so ive printed quite a few models from this subscription and yes they do have mostly a 2d feel but the quality is there and i personally like it when the models arn't bulky. them being a bit more 2d helps storing them in cases.
>>98752165>how many models do i need for a campaign and how would i spread em out for heavy weapons or melee weapons?I'd go 45:45:10 for rifles:melee:heavy, and you'd probably want a total of about fifteen to twenty, so you could have some variance in what models to use as well as enough to cover an expanding gang in all situations - call it seven rifles, seven melee, two heavy weapons, with one or two in each category being fancier to represent champions and/or leaders, and you'd be dead on.
>>98752116My bad, I misremembered it. It was the lasgun which got its short range nerfed by 2 inches. Autogun looks the same but for whatever reason I thought it was 9" short range before
>>98752165Heavy guns suck and Escher do not use heavy melee weapon like Goliath. Ratio it's either 50/50 range/melee or 60/40 range/melee. And range also included Pistols, which are hybrid range + melee weapons, and Eschers are great at using it. If you had to use Heavy guns because diversity then heavy stubber is a solid choice.For gang size it depend on the crew table, using GW crew table you want 8-9 models for starting gang, and around 15 not counting brute/hanger-on.
>>98751701It's interesting how the Orlocks were originally one of the only gangs to escape the gender quotas until they tried to rectify it with that all female resin model set.It would be interesting to find out how things happened behind the scenes, Necromunda felt like it had some people who actually cared behind the scenes, at least at the start.Too bad GW is as opaque as a brick wall when it comes to behind the scenes stuff, to prevent anyone involved from being able to garner a following and leave their evil greasy woke black company bullshit behind.
>>98756429They were not, Cawdor is the only true all male gang, because back then they intended for Cawdor to be Custode for the male while an all female gang will be the Sister of Battle. With troonstode being pushed this shit is obvious not happening now
>>98756429The designer is on IG and touting how his dream came to life in these minis. Everyone is licking his butthole with praise on such shitty miniatures.Why are they all wearing chokers around their necks now? Is it because an entire team of designers couldn't figure out how to design a proper neck joint? It's not just the shitty faces and the shemale bodies. All of it just looks goofy and dumb.Except the Ogres, they are okay.
>>98757003>The designer is on IGI'm somewhat shocked that GW even allows model designers to credit themselves on social media
>>98757003I'm surprised 1 of them weren't a female (allegedly) like how they made these for AoS.
>>98756738Tf are you on about?I am talking about the kit itself.
>>98757003The ogres are perfect, which makes the new sculpts for the regular humans look even worse.
>>98757013I follow a couple of the current, modern designers on IG. They always declare that all designs are our projects they got to be a part of, and never name anyone else that was part of the project.It really seems like the current brand of GW minis are made by committee, and maybe thats were shit goes so wrong. if multiple people are working on a single mini, maybes its a lack of communication or just the age ole "to many cooks" formula that destroys any sense of theme or cohesion. Plus the execs chiming in to make everything brown and gay.
>>98757318They very much are "designed by committee", this was very obvious with the mess that is the tomb kings bone dragon, where it's clearly just a bunch of differnt designs of varying skill meshed together to the point where it looks like a complete visual mess.One of the designers complained that his work on the throne got almost completely covered up by other designers adding layers of details on top.
>>98757318Another example is Hibou Khan from Horus Heresy, the designer said on instagram or twitter that he had made a much more faithful model to the lore and then some execs came in and demanded he add a bunch of details.
>>98757410Here's the bone dragon
>>98757217And no cawdor females were made, maybe you should be checking for that first?
>>98757446I think that specific complaint was for the Lich Priest variant with the sand vulture version of the dragon
>>98757555This one?
>>98757678>each piece of the model has a different sculptor and they don't agree with each other on the big picture, they even fuck with each other by putting their bit of model overtop the detail of the other guys bit of modelI am thoroughly unsurprised.
>>98756569>Get buddabuddabuddad, hereticGreat comic.Anyone play Inquisitor?
>>98756569We really should have gotten a redeemer-mobile
>>98758246B-b-b-b-but m-m-m-muh gangers only eat poop and use shitty weapons.
>>98758253Clovis' bunch weren't exactly armed with Mars' finest either.
>>98758258>Melta>Bolt Gun>Plasma>Fucking Battle CannonsYes?
>>98757678yes
>>98758191Just play Dark Heresy with models at that point.
>>98749125Keep us posted orkbro
>>98751701Eh, I like it. I mean not the faces they came up with, but the concept.>>98752165Start with at least 8. Your gang could grow to double that by the end of a campaign, and if your group is pretty WYSIWYG, you might want 24 just to have options to choose from.Heavy weapons: heavy stubber, chem-thrower, and plasma cannon would probably more than cover you. Just one to start (not the plasma cannon).At the start you might only give your queen, champions, and one ganger melee weapons. Maybe 40% of the gang. The rest get basic shooty weapons (later upgrading to needle rifles and stuff) or pistol/knife. Combat shotgun, bow and arrow, or flamers for prospects.
>>98756429>until they tried to rectify it with that all female resin model set.which was excellentPlastic faces are so big and bulbous compared to what we used to get in resin
>>98750940>>98750940I think it had to happen. As a 1st ed HH player, I think games written by FW are characterful and all, but they’re messes of books and articles where the old ones get partially replaced but it’s on you to figure out exactly which parts still apply. It progressively becomes more difficult for a new player to know what he needs to start. FW also can’t balance a game and it takes them five years to respond to 10% of the issues players are asking them to fix. GW restructured Specialist Games into its main studio. I don’t entirely trust them, but I do understand rebooting the game so the new team doesn’t have to worry about the old stuff. We’ll get a more coherent game that way. Will it be better? Dunno. It’s not killy enough, but I like the new credits/XP-advancements ratio (too many credits previously) and this was the only way blaze and web were going to get nerfed. Cawdor and Van Saar aren’t one-trick ponies anymore. It’ll be a while before Ash Wastes games work again, but they weren’t working well before anyway.
>kill team is an easy and cheap way to get into 40K bro>Okay I want to play ratlings >Well you need to buy another Ogryn box and the "equipment upgrade pack"
>>98751701You have clearly never seen the clientele of a biker bar, ever.The real issue with the models is how awful the armor looks.
>>98760470What equipment upgrade pack?
What would be a reasonable sidearm for a necromunda noble to carry?
>>98756429The race thing in this specific context is what gets me. Like, it took only a few thousand years for populations of coal black giganiggas to turn into swarthoids in the Med and a few thousand more for those swarthoids to become borderline-albinos thanks to Nordic/Bri'ish levels of sunshine, so where the fuck are all the darkies coming from on Necromunda, a world where 99% of the population live in completely sunless artificially lit metal-roofed hive shitholes and the tiny handful who live outdoors do so under a sky of perpetual twilight thanks to the neverending pollution layer while wrapped head-to-toe in thick clothing so the acid rain and desiccant duststorms don't turn then into sizzling prunes.Is the Imperium deliberately importing in tens of millions of people from Nignog 9 every year to keep that part of the planet's genepool topped up or something?
>>98758275Yeah and all the hoverboards, flying bionic cephalopods, rad cannons...oh no wait, that's Nucromunda and you're a disingenuous faggot because almost everyone in the comic uses bog fucking standard gear.
>>98760796Brother, he's talking about the weapons you can see right there in the posted comic page. If Klovis' crew are allowed some guys with fancy shit like that and they're Cawdor, the group that carries the most scrap-build/-found weapons of anyone that's not Outcasts, then I'm pretty sure anyone bitching about how the proliferation of bullshit weaponry since the good old days is either a jackass who thinks old thing better no matter what, or someone who just doesn't remember the good old days properly.
>>98760729It's hard to say... a bolt pistol or archaeotech pistol would be big and prestigious, but a lasgun's fine too as long as it has enough gold filigree to be called master-crafted. And there's always digi-lasers.>>98760772The real answer is that the countries that like 40k have nonwhite people who also have money and GW wants it. But all you need to imagine is that certain industrial sectors, or just certain parts of the hive, have more UV in their lighting. Dark skin protects you from it, while light skin allows more of it to get through to create vitamin D. A lot of minerals fluoresce, so whole classes of miners will expose themselves to a lot of UV to find those minerals in the spoils. A lighting manufacturer might go out of business and the random hive areas that bought from them will switch and change skin color over the next few millennia because their new lights have different spectra. It's like having a fish tank or terrarium.
>>98760470>kill team is an easy and cheap way to get into 40K bro>Okay I want to play ratlings >Well you need to buy another Ogryn box and the "equipment upgrade pack" as well as a kill team and equipment box for your opponent, two sets of the core rulebook, two sets of the matched play cards, the three different killzones and a commission painter to get everything battle ready
>>98757439>execsIf you ever wonder why something looks like dogshit, that's your answer. Most of the time, some exec with no idea and just some vague buzz words bouncing around in his head is the reason for something that was Good being made Bad. Movies, books, games, all the same shit in different wrappings.
>>98761073GW and cards are a terrible combination.
>>98760195>Van Saar aren't one trick ponies anymore.>Extra pip of AP on las weapons and only las weapons.
>>98760729Master crafted laspistol, lightweight, accurate, fancy. Nobles have bodyguards, they're not expected to fight. Kal Jericho used a pair of these, and he fought a lot, but he got plot armor.The next items to be considered are Digi weapons. You can wear one on each finger, from the "crappy" digi laser to the explosive digi plasma, melta and the almighty digi multilaser, which had all of the above weapon rolled into one. The rarest pistol one can get their hands on is the Inferno Pistol. This is it, the ultimate flexing pistol.The true rarest pistol you can't get your hand on however is the exitus pistol, it's the coolest pistol made by the Imperium but the one who was issued with it rarely ever use it, shame, I'd like to see a gunslinger Vindicare, or a close combat sword + exitus pistol fighter.
>>98751195>>98751301I took Starfinder 2nd edition coming out as an opportunity to buy all the rulebooks for 1st edition since it meant the game was "complete" and I didn't have to worry about things changing unless I houseruled them myself.It also doesn't help that 2nd edition apparently replaced the whole design team with trans furries.
>>98758658Both can work but straight out the book Inquisitor is easier to just play a fight. Dark Heresy you could make work but would need to prepare more things and having a GM would still be a lot of help while you can do most things in Inquisitor without needing a 3rd party.One of the biggest differences is the potential gulf between characters. In Inquisitor a very fast and lucky character can pull off 6 actions in a turn, in Dark Heresy certain skills can let you do more than the cap of a single full or two half actions initially suggests but I don't think you are going to be doing as much in a single turn as that high speed Inquisitor character.
>>98760195Meanwhile when the games were dead and unsupported you just got on with the old core, tinkering with house rules or community suggestions and tweaks.Not that the "living rulebook" model wasn't without it's own massive issues and biases when it came to changes but at least they never threw entire settings, backgrounds and characters of a game into the bin to sell new models.And the LRB model had less hooks into the "must play the newest official rules" mindset, people were more willing to use older versions or house rule.
Just gotta finish the bases
>>98760147They paint and sculpt the female faces to be ugly on purpose and have been doing so for a good while.And i only think it's ramped up in recent years, you can barely tell some of the new Orlock models are supposed to be female and not guys, they barely or don't at all have defined breasts, their faces and hair styles look hideous and exactly like what you would find on some lesbian trying to look masculine, they look more like failed transvestites or effeminate men than actual women. A good example is that Escher model from the RPG box that has clearly been made to be less attractive and covered up on purpose compared to the art of her.It's probably all based in some spite and hatred they have for the male fanbase finding women attractive, because of sexism and "women being objectified" or some shit like that, so they remove as many identifying female features as possible while still trying to make them female, all to avoid men finding them attractive.
Working on thunderhawk ordnance for BFG, detail is pretty soft because they're FDM rather than resin, but Im not magnetising 50+ markers so they need to be able to survive being tossed in a bag>>98751106I enjoy the thriftiness, but isn't the spectacle of one gorillion little guys moving across a field a big part of the fun?>>98751195>It makes me angry when a playgroup even suggests moving to the shiny new thing because I got into tabletop for the purpose of building a collection to completion over my lifetime.Extremely based
>>98761796>women being objectifiedThis one always crack me up. In my country we used to have "beach teams" basically hot women doing ad in bikinis during summer.The job was mostly just dance around and have fun in a bikini. Paid as a fulltime job even though it was part time and it was mostly done by women who where studying and wanted extra money during vacations.But local retards bitched and moan about objectification and eventually this teams stop being a thing.Feminist literally took jobs away from women just because they where not as ugly as them. Funniest part is that the "beach team" outfits where more modest than some shit we see on the beach or at the mall.
>>98761832>>98752288It was mostly proxy till I figure out what kind of army I wanted.Spamming rat swarms is rather fun
>>98761832Looks cool, do you have a local bfg scene or do you play with friends?
>>98761853Is it fun so far? The same guy I get my BFG ships from sells warmaster armies too and im always tempted cos it looks cool as fuck
>>98761862Ive not checked if there's a scene 2bh, I just play with friends who still have stuff they bought back in the 90s. But its super low cost of entry both in money and time, and takes like 20 seconds to set up, so I don't imagine it would be too hard to persuade people to ditch 11th and try it.
>>98761846Most countries in the west had some variety of hot women/sex appeal marketing before the horde of spiteful jealous hamplanet feminists got into influential positions and decided that men finding conventionally attractive women attractive was a major issue in society that needed to be rectified at any cost.Happened everywhere past 2012 and the infection will linger as long as any of the SJW cunts or male feminists remain in positions of authority.
>>98761892Evil really does hate beauty
Snatching the skaven issues of Spearhead because rat ogres for 5 quid. How cringe and bluepilled is converting an Eshin gang for mordheim from AoS skavies?
>>98749125hope those goblin fingertips hold. the ones I did were a pain in the ass and looking back, if I did more, I'd probably just ball up a mound of green stuff for him to attach to instead.
>>98761885Is there a "best" edition to play? Wanna get my playgroup into BFG
>>98761796Does GW even have any female sculptors anymore?Triss has not worked there for a decade now
>>98762227Do men that pretend to be women count?
>>98761997I couldn't say, I'm playing and have only played remastered, which is afaik is a compilation of the latest rulebook (2013ish) plus all the other stuff that appeared in Fanatic, White Dwarf etc over the years.I think mechanically they are all fairly similar, but remastered is easily available and has a searchable rulebook which helps a lot as a beginner
>>98762254Maybe not in the UK; they do have to legally use a men's bathroom now
>>98749125>Black Orc teamI dare you to round out their ears and paint their skin dark brown.
>>98761919GW already made gutter runner/night runner kit, using these are better. They're from big City of Ash box so you might find one cheaper than GW store price.
>>98762306I really hate the fucking tactical rock trend in models
>>98761796The other "female" from same box, maybe I was too quick to assume its gender, probably a man with wide hips and a feminine name.
>>98762302Maybe the hideous transvestite abominations that make up GW's female model lineup look the way they do because Aaron demands they appeal to his fetish.
>>98762306>City of AshFound the entire kit for 69 burger dollars locally.42 models plus some buildings for GW it almost look cheap.
>>98762302It's kinda funny he use a black and white profile picture to look like a skinhead, and he demand a shaniqua as "reward". The joke wrote itself.
>>98762374>slavery is badwhat they actually mean:>slavery is bad when I'm not the one doing itEvery fucking time.
>>98762334Exact same as the Escher model, the art looks fine (even though she's flat as a pancake), then the "professional painter" and sculptor absolutely butchered the design and made it look like a man.And it's very obviously done on fucking purpose.I think they hire artists as freelancers and have their own in house painters and sculptors, which would explain why the art almost always looks significantly better and different than the finished model, the freelancers doesn't have an angry obese green haired HR lesbian leaning over their shoulder ready to get them fired at the slightest sign of deviating from their politics.
>>98762388Never forget this masterpiece from GW. You're only skimming the surface, i've been deep in this debacle for decade, kek.
>>98757074Imagine if someone painted that model as a troon. kek
>>98762334>Tomboy who lives in a cyberpunk hell full of rapists and works as a saboteur looks like a forgettable androgynous underhiver instead of a porn star>Reee I can't fap to this!Cumbrains are so wild. Here's something more up your alley.
>>98762410YWNBAW
>>98762410>Couldn't even find a proper picture.I love tourists.
Forgeworld tummy rogue doc is probably my favorite female Necromunda miniature. It shows life in the hives kinda sucks, hence the robotic arm etc. The tummy tells a story too, like she's sewing up injured gangers to pay for the baby she just had or indulge a corpse starch pizza habit or something. The mask increases the sense of mystery, like this Covid era photo of a Latina nurse that really got my imagination going in a way that what she actually looked like probably wouldn't live up to.
>>98762447Nurse Muffintop!
>>98762447Interesting lore tidbit about rogue docs is that a notable portion of them are failed clan escher chemists who just didn't cut it, and that specific model is supposed to be one of those.
>>98762407Another reason to why the models have these large, angular chunky details is because their design revolves around the 'eavy metal paint style, so all models are purposefully made to look worse and have ugly sharp details to make edge highlighting easier.And some of the upper management at GW are huge marvel fanboys so want everything to look like their favourite comic books, because they are reddit manchildren with zero fucking taste who don't respect the older established aesthetics of the models everybody actually wants them to produce.This sister of battle is a perfect example of how the 'eavy metal style absolutely ruins female faces, compared to some compentent guy who isn't a mouthbreathing Marvel manchild troglodyte.
>>98762561It always cracks me up that in order for a female face to look female you need to use makeup technics.You should not need to do that. Other companies can manage to do it.
>>98760772how about Escher gangers? They are all derived from the three original SISTERS and their 7 "children" who are just the dna of the 3 recombined (the sisters also used extensive cloning themselves) so the entire house of ulanti and the entire house of escher, are descended from this genepool, they are ALL sisters/cousins not just random women ganging together.So it is literally impossible for them to have a neat "1 in 10 of us are pure niggers" demographic.yet GW does it anyway.Or how salamanders are depcited as all being south african niggers with BROWN skin (accent too!) despite the lore actually stating that the normal nocturnians do not have the geneseed defect pigmentastion that it only happens in the astartes transformation!Or the Blood Angels who GW have now started including nigger paintjobs in images of! their geneseed trait quite specifically turns them all into pasty pale red eyed vampire looking dudes after sanguinius, yet DEI got into their product.GW as a company even openly states that they collect racial statistical data for their employees and ensure a neat mix of races even mongst their board members, they literally have racial quotas!It's just racism, plain and simple.
>>98761268I don't know the starfinder game, is it different than GW stuff where the physical books have the correct rules in them and the rules actually work as written? or is it like GW in that everything is FAQ'd and errata'd a week or two after being sold and therefore the physical books are just expensive firestarter?I absolutely agree with the "dead" games are actually just "complete" games line of thinking though, I often await a product being finished before I buy it, that's how I went about buying videogames before I basically stopped being a digital gamer entirely.
>>98762561Man, you're going for all the peer-approved "bad thing" words, aren't you? Well, I guess you won't get very far in the school yard one-upmanship if you don't.
>>98762561Please, that face still looks mannish even with the skilled feminine paintjob, if you find that attractive you best get used to being pounded out by troons.
>>98760997>The real answer is that the countries that like 40k have nonwhite people who also have money and GW wants it.This objectively false. Hell even my third world country got angsty when nestle bought a local candy company and replaced the name of a beloved candy from Negrita to Chokita No one consider the original a racist concept till the change, now we use the new name a slurNo one likes this DEI crap specially the brown folk. If we wanted to see our kind in models we would be playing miniature games with them, but we are not doing that. We are specifically playing SPACE BRITS IN SPACE.
>>98762653You are the reason this place sucks now midwit threadshitter
>>98762789Sounds like I struck a nerve, faggot.
>>98760729You could give them a xeno pistol like something from Aeldari or Tau kit and then just make it count as something from their equipment list.
>>98760507Bro.I'd rather have leathered out sun skinned, meth headed, tattoo freaks and their ratty ass bitches than potato headed cartoons and mystery sex, chokers.the majority of the models look like ass. the faces, the paint job, the oversized should pads that connect to the leather vests, rather than sitting on the shoulders, the bolted on Demo armor that goes over the entire model and looks so outta place and retarded. It's all shit.
>>98762591The three sisters were almost 10,000 years ago. Go back that far from today and I don’t think blue eyes even existed yet. Europeans may have been dark-skinned with green eyes. The Escher don’t have to look like the three sisters at all.>>98763237I don’t mind their painting style, but their female heads suck. Warcry’s had some good ones, and the 2017 Escher were pretty good, but they’ve gotten worse. I play Orlocks and am looking for 3rd party heads.
I have played a few rounds of both Khorne and Black Orcs on Fumbbl to get back into BB and the new rukes. I know both teams are not considered great but, ascrazy as it sounds, are black orcs the more consistent of the two?Khorne experience so far has been>scenario 1I fucking destroy the enemy team, Bloodspawn RIPS AND TEARS, and my armour holds and almost every block is a stun>scenario 2My armour/blocks don't work and I get the shit beaten out of me. I just lost to high elves in a brawl.. Essentially, unless I roll above average to very well, I get wrecked. Black Orcs in contrast feel like their frontline is more consistently durable and while dramatically slower, seem to not depend so heavily on explosive dice. Is that about right? Online most people seem to favour Khorne but im leaning to Black orcs.
>>98763447you're wrong about the blue eyes, and ten thousand years is not a timeframe in which black skin emerges by evolution, but also they aren't evolving, their lineage is entirely reliant on artificial intervention.black skin didn't evolve in the last even 50.000 years, it occurs in populations where homo sapiens interbred with other hominids, ie; dravidian or habilis who already had those genes for a very long time.Europeans were not dark skinned but yes, green eyes existed as those are a byproduct of the genes for brown and blue intermixing.the Escher do have to look like the three sistsers, because their origin pool is only those three sisters and has been artifically maintained and not allowed or even able (depending on how you view it) to evolve.In normal human demographics an origin of just three individuals is laughably impossible, with an incredibly strict breeding program it takes a population of at least 1500 to propagate our species, so the Escher are an absurdly insular and curated breed.
>>98765387They have only been all female for a thousand years i think, Before that they had men who all degenerated due to thousands of years of absurd levels of constant drug use that somehow fucked up their male genepool.The cloning stuff was only a big deal at the very beginning of the house and in thhe last thousand years if i've got the timeline correct, beyond that they reproduced normally.
>>98762334I’m willing to bet the sculpt looks fine, the Eavy Metal painters only know how to paint space marines and male faces so they fuck up almost every female face.
>>98767155>Eavy Metal painters only know how to paint space marines and male facesWell.....
>>98767171Forgot about that one. Somehow they seemingly did better makeup/feminine paintjobs just on male sculpts. Pottery. Bring back the FW painting team, they at least seemed to try to make women look like women.
>>98767178Well they made this dude for Silver Tower in 2017, not only he's faithful to his artwork, he's transcended above and beyond. He's the male version of this fucking bitch >>98762407 and GW wanted you to believed that he's her subordinate, yeah fuck off.
>>98767191One of the only AoS models I ever bought. Yeah, utterly mogs her and the rest of Darkoath. I have the warcry warband, I’ll probably use him as my leader if I ever get around to painting it up.
>>98764312Any BB anons about?
>>98767487You're asking for insight on two Tier 3 bashy teams--you're not gonna find muchDo you want to try out the Devious Skills set? Then go Black Orcs. Do you want to punish teams that try to spread the field? Khorne>"consistent" in a D6 game
>>98767549It always makes me laugh when idiots come to blood bowl for a fair competitive game because they mistake the sporting competition aesthetic for sporting competition substance.Khemri can body Wood Elves and that's just how dice work, if you want fair competition you're looking for chess/go/checkers.
>>98767549That is fair, I meant more my observations rather than an objective measure on performance. Essentially, are Blorcs more consistent than Khorne?
>>98768032Just play the team you like, "what's best? what's consistent?" etc... is WAACfaggotry and its got no place in Blood Bowl.
>>987608431. I ain't your brother, pal2. Cawdor being borderline-scavvies with junkguns is NUcromunda faggotry, buddy3. They aren't Cawdor you fucking fakefan fraudfuck, the Redeemer is Redemptionist who were nowhere near as closely tied to Cawdor in the original as they are in the NUshit, chum4. A special character with his own fucking comic series having a warband with a handful of not-total-shit guns in no way, shape, form, or fantasy justifies the unending tide of poofery that is NUcromunda's level of tech, where bog-standard gangs are running around with DAoT weapons banned by personal decree of the Emperor and one of the houses has a fucking functional STC system, chiefIn conclusion: eat shit, die, rot, and get fucked eternally in hell, friendo.
>>98768280The STC really chafes me, that shit makes you a world(s) governing level power in the imperium.
>>98768280Yeah let's ignore the tank.
>>98760997>The real answer is that the countries that like 40k have nonwhite people who also have money and GW wants it.But that's just a lie. You could scour the internet for a lifetime and never find a store, event, gathering, campaign weekend, or tournament that wasn't at least 98% white and male. You'll struggle to find pictures of nonwhite nonmales involved in the hobby anywhere except GW marketing or thirst trapping ethot instas. Moreover, why would GW assume all they care about is being able to buy models that look like them? Actual nerds - as opposed by infiltrating poseurs who's only purpose is to destroy the hobby for failing to conform to their deranged worldview - tend to be pretty reasonable people who don't go in for all this DEI bullshit, and I've never seen anything that suggests that's less true of black nerds. If they like Necromunda for what it is, why would they object to the model range properly reflecting what it is? What's next, Nigorks? Nigdar? Nigganids? If "feeling seen" is the only thing that matters then merely inserting African-featured people into Necromunda where they make no sense(your attempted justifications are farcical) is insufficient, we should be doing it EVERYWHERE, including in Xenos and Daemons. Wouldn't want anyone to feel left out right?Honestly I wonder why fucktards like you even bother with fiction, you just want to turn absolutely everything into inner London circa Current Year anyway.
>>98768330Pretty sure vehicles are commonplace in the Imperium, while STCs and mechasquid aren't, dipshit. Try again.
>>98768339Oh and for the record, I have no issue with black people or anyone else enjoying the hobby, so long as they actually are here to enjoy the hobby not to make arbitrary nonsensical changes to it for the sake of student politics bullshit.
>>98768347Yes everyone is running around in an armored rig Necromunda, even in Numunda standard the normal rig is nigh unkillable.
>>98768339>You could scour the internet for a lifetime and never find a store, event, gathering, campaign weekend, or tournament that wasn't at least 98% white and male.Unless it's in a place like Japan or South Korea, and even then white male expats are still an important minority at these events and stores
>>98768162I like both, that's the issue! Though aesthetically I much prefer Black Orcs.>WAAC no place in BBHaving played in tournaments in older editions, if only you knew...
>>98768539Then do both, you aren't going to play just one team for the next decade or more straight.I've got 21 painted teams.
>>98768032Slower teams in the same tier generally are. Makes up for them being slow.
>>98768339I draw the line at black WOMEN personally.I just wish they made the models racially agnostic, then you can paint em how you want em to look. They don’t need to make caricatures with big wide noses and cornrows and dreads (as we know, the only black hairstyles in the entire world).
>>9876940740k is roughly 38000 years in the future nd humanity has been both evolving and MUTATING on many pl,anets in that time, the heresy even established some worlds that stayed close to IRL baseline were exterminated by the emps for being too far from HIS standards, so there shouldn't be south africans (depicted in the warhammer+ shows as even having the soufrican accent!) at all.As it is a british (with heavy german inspiration ie; templars) the entirety of humanity should be fairly close to that visual with the notable exclusions of such as ogryns and whatnot.
I would be most pleased with a scan of the new Necroumda Skirmish Gangs of the Underhive book. As that seems unlikely, it would be extremely helpful to just get some shitty phone cam pics of the pages for House Delaque.A friend of mine at the club has gifted me a few boxes of Delaque gangers, and I'm eager to see listbuilding options ahead of assembling my spooky boys.
>>98770062https://files.catbox.moe/gk178x.rar
>>98769407>I draw the line at black WOMEN personally.That's dumb.>I just wish they made the models racially agnosticI'm with you on this one.
Look guys, there isn't a grand conspiracy within GW to ruin our hobby by making everyone black, ugly and/or trans. That's probably just the marketing consultants following general trends. But I must admit I am suspicious of the trannies working for the design teams, their own stuff is full of black Eldar or female marines. What is true however, is that most of the GW sculptors aren't that good. Could be due every mini being a group project where nobody's talent or vision is allowed to shine.
>>98770520>it's not a conspiracy, that's just (describes a conspiracy)
>>98770520>GW aren't being incompetent on purpose.Really nigga?
>>98770520>That's probably just the marketing consultants following general trends.Outdated ones at this point that clearly don't appeal to the target demographics of the IP or the products GW produces
>>98770614Just look at IKEA, all their ads feature black men with white women. I asked my mum, a former IKEA employee, if there's an ideological reason and she told me that the marketing department unironically believes it will help sell more furniture if they feature interracial couples.
>>98770700>be marketing>"Sell... furniture?"
>>98770711Ye, at this point I've lost of interracial ads of a black man having kids with some ginger here in Sweden.
>>98770700There is a difference showing people of color and gender playing a game in order to sell more product. It's another thing entirely to radically alter your games established lore and and companies product thinking is will sell more. It ruined MtG, It has basically killed DnD, and It has been the major decline in video game development. It helped kill Star Wars, and most of Disney's IP. It fucked the Witcher series and Rings of Power.It sucks. It's always a stupid, ham-fisted way to force inclusion into FANTASY that almost none of the fantasy consumers asked for.It's all so tiresome.
Is blood bowl fun? im kinda interested in some of the modelshow easy is it to learn compared to aos or 40k
>>98771449Fun is subjective, figure it out.
>>98771449Its goofy and unbalanced, but on purpose. Depends on what you like, but overall people seem to really like it.
Necromunda RPG article has been nuked. No idea if its just a mistake/glitch or some kind of problem. Seems to be still up in other languages though.
>>98771496.... you don't know how to archive?
>>98771831It had more to do with anon wondering if something is wrong with the game, and not that we have a "lost media" situation.
>>98762561Why are you still spamming this retarded shit when you're ridiculed for it every fucking time
>>98771449Play some FUMBBL and see if it's for you.In my opinion, Blood Bowl is the best game GW ever published. And they did it as a joke.
>>98771496Issues with the production? Maybe they fucked up the printing or models, maybe they have an ip/contact issue with who ever does the 40k rpg
>>98772407>>98771496>the only news that interested me from last reveal>turbo memoryhole nukedI guess that's for the better in this economy.
Can we discuss kill team here? Is /ktg/ finally dead?
>>98772483Yes, but don't shitting up the thread with back and forth argument because lots of folks don't like killteam and you'll get reply shitting on your game. Just ignore and move on.
>>98751318>>98751152>>98751054>>98751040blood bowl is super easy to do pickup games with. you can either do tv 1,000 or just steal someone else's rules pack
>>98771449Yeah it's great. But I found Blood Bowl Sevens easier to get into. 7 players per side instead of 11, different board, fewer turns in a game. The differences from the regular game are in a recent journal.It takes like half the time, which is a lot nicer if you're losing from early in the game. It favors maneuverable teams over bashy ones so the balance is a little different. I kinda feel regular BB doesn't have enough movement until both sides have a ton of injuries.Blood Bowl's really easy to learn.
>>98751326nah, you're just an LRB6 sperg and a thirdie. some of the post lrb6 changes like the multireroll have been great
>>98751345>>98751369>>98751447>>98751484the current rules are better than LRB6. the lrb6 fag is just one homo. And LRB6 didn't last for 2 decades. LRB6 came out in 2009 and was replaced in dec 2016so it's impossible for the entire planet to have played it for 20 years since it's not 20 years old and the majority of the player base switched in 2016 or 2020 you didn't even need new stuff other than the rule book to switch over since at most you got like 2-4 new position players and could have just painted 4 new dudes and added them to your team
>>98761796>They paint and sculpt the female faces to be ugly on purpose and have been doing so for a good while.>>And i only think it's ramped up in recent years, you can barely tell some of the new Orlock models are supposed to be female and not guys, they barely or don't at all have defined breasts, their faces and hair styles look hideous and exactly like what you would find on some lesbian trying to look masculine, they look more like failed transvestites or effeminate men than actual women.that's just how bong women look. it's a very ugly country
>>98771496Wtf it's real!https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mqvrszrr/the-big-autumn-preview-see-all-of-the-reveals-here/That was the only thing i found interesting in the preview.For fucks sake i was actually looking forward to it!
>>98772571I don't deny that at all, they are very ugly.But the models don't have that flavour of ugliness, there's a distinct difference, the models are ugly in a globohomo way and not specifically a "rose of ingerland" kinda way.
>>98768352>everyoneThat everyone *isn't* running around with this shit is exactly my point, you absolute mongoloidal fucktard, that a single exceptional beyond-the-norm example from Oldmunda doesn't justify the cornucopia of poofery that is NUmunda. Jesus tittyfucking Christ how can you be this dumb and still figure out where the power button on your computer is.
>>98762408kek
>>98770062Transcription of all the gang rule is the best is can do sorry.https://litter.catbox.moe/d5eegow7pd1pew2j.pdf
>>98771496Which is funny since the RPG was in the background of the Q&A(no questions about it though), so all the starter boxes have been made alreadyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0hRhifpyBI
>>98771496The Necromunda stuff is still up on GW's Facebook and Instagram pages, so there is the possibility that this is just a fuck up rather than a deliberate nuking
>>98762591that's so silly. all bongs are equally subhuman.
>>98762702>my third world countryto be fair, chile is less third world than like half of yurop. Chileans can enter the US without a vias, which is something yugoslavians can't do
>>98763447>Europeans may have been dark-skinnedto be fair, most yuropoors are darksinned in current year>>98764312Khorne is fucking dicey as shit. When I've had the misfortune of playing vs them as orcs one side always gets pitch cleared. it depends on if the khorne armor holds and if they roll skulls. there isn't much you can do vs a khone coach who had hot dice
>>98763447>>98765387do you two retards know that skin and eye color isn't based on a single gene? it's not medalian. It's based on how many of the pigmentation genes are actively coding and creating pigment. A black would have more of those pigment genes functioning than a White person. A White person might have something like a one letter change in the gene that renders the gene unable to produce a protein. eye color works the same way. it's why you can get that laser thing that gives you blue eyes by nuking all of the pigment out of your eyes
>>98772903Silence mutt
>>98770700>>98770711>>98770723that's just the most common couple type in yurop. there's no conspiricy>>98770793isn't mtg making more money with the unplayable crossover sloppa?
>>98771449it's relatively quick and you don't need many minis and it feels great to win, but the dice can get frustrating at times. It's probably more fun if you don't care about winning>>98772527>It favors maneuverable teams over bashy ones so the balance is a little different.regular blood bowl favors maneuverable teams over bashy teams since they nerfed the shit out of bash and buffed one turning. like 5 or 6 of the top 7 teams are maneuverable teams and all the compfags take elves now
>playing blorcs and khorne on FUMBL to see which I prefer>my khorne get fucking shitfaced by high elves, being completely outbashed>shoot up blackbox to brush up my black orcs >draw Mattdakka>know of him as a big bb coach>he is Khorne>fug.jpg>first 3 turns he injures two black orcs>lock in hard, clearly a sign from nuffle to decide my preferred teamI ended up drawing . Absolutely chuffed and khorne eventually ran out of steam, with my blorcs almost clearing 3/4 of his khorne.I LOVE BLORCS! WAAAAAGGGHHH
>>98772977I bet Dakka got big mad knowing matt
>>98773002At least in chat no, can't say outside. Was surprised myself. I resorted to serious gang fouling as I had a bribe, which kept me in the game. We had 4 specs at one point
>>98773009he wouldn't get mad about gang fouls, he just doesn't like losing or matchups he considers unfair
>>98773012Still, was fun. To his credit, his demeanour was far nicer than the helf player who screamed dice to a draw. I am preparing to face an old friend in tabletop so was gearing up and now i think im reggie.Even bought and painting a blorc team now.
>>98772635You stupid fucking nigger didn't even know what the fuck the original conversation is about and you just chimp in and act out like a true nigger that just escaped encampment >>98758246. Being a nigger and a gronard had to be difficult for you.
>>98772852Yeah, and the article is still up in all other languages. Really weird.
>>98771831I honestly do not know but I'd like to know how. Online resources have been absolute ass about it.Any tips anon?
>>98772890Yes that is why I said 3rd and not 4th :D
>>98773181….nevermind, other languages are down. No idea.
>>98762323Trend? At this point it's more of a fucking staple.
>>98773432I am not. I'm American and not a heeb.
stat her:
>>98766652I had to come back to this because there was something I forgot to mentionthey began with a source of mixed dna clones, 7 sourced from 3 SISTERSgenetic manipulation and cloning are their origin, the house eschaki division into ulanti/escher was a result of the ulanti half breaking tradition and outbreeding, eventually carrying the eschaki name and not genes in any meaningful sense.escher was the purist faction in the divide.given that the source is 3 individuals and not 1500+ that makes the cloning and genetic manipulation a necessity leading all the way up to the divide.the males ending up as they are was a result of failures in maintaining that purity from such a tiny origin source, they did not abandon the two source tech methods for retaining their purity in the intervening time.
>>98774081I thought the split was between Ulanti and Athenos
>>98774578that's a much more recent retcon, it was very simple and clear before eschaki-ulanti/escher now it's (IIRC i hate nushit retcons) ulandari-ulanti/athenos-eschaki (come out of ulanti as a secret illuminati sect)-eschaki conquers and absorbs athenos-becomes escher.it's been totally reversed and padded with completely new bullshit.And fuck that shit.
>>98773743Aren't there multiple Van Saar characters who have done this?
>>98777674Yes, but they weren't named after Shirow-sensei
RIP Necromunda roleplay, how did GW goof so hard?
>>98778508We don't even know whether it's dead yet, maybe they just had to make changes to the content for some reason.Like putting the Escher in a burka because a muslim in HR complained.
>>98778508The boring answer might simply be production issues since the new factory isn't working yet so the pipeline is not as quick as they thought it was
>>98778508They probably previewed and advertised incorrectly what's included in the box. My guess is the Hive Scum from the box being mixed of new and old is wrong.
>>98779352or the shareholders asked>RPG? That doesn't sell miniatures, we will take you up on fiduciary responsibility if you don't backtrack, you don't want jailtime do you?
>>98762302i'd love to beat this faggot to death if I ever saw him on the streets of nottingham
>>98779483>RPG? That doesn't sell miniaturesWe all know it's just a cardboard/paper tax. All the boxes will be sold out within seconds and there will be listings of the miniatures online weeks before the actual release. It's simply a FOMO box with extra layers
doodled a lil underhive atmosphere
>>98779483GW employed lots of retards in their departments now it seems. It had happened before and very recently too. Like this upgrade kit with incorect printing on the box showing the Bolt Pistol but no bolt pistol in the kits, causing GW to recall ALL of the products, which is several thousand.The funny thing is the retards handling the webstore still used the old box image. That new image i had to go to 3rd party seller to get.
looks like Sloptubers have noticed GW removing the Necromunda RPG stuff from their website
>>98779984hey that's contents.
>>98761796>RPG boxMaybe I'm just inexperienced, but this seems incredibly pointless. Couldn't you just use the current statline and give everyone a leader? The statlines seem diverse enough to have something for every non-combat roll I can think of
>>98781118This is like saying iRacing, a hardcore sim racing game is pointless because Gran Turismo existed. And likewise you can also say Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport is pointless because Forza Horizon existed and you can roam around town.
>>98781138Yes.
Boromir!Too bad the fellowship's rules are as bad as they are.
Speak of the devil, they made a new darkoath "queen", who probably just survive breast cancer.
>>98783373mild improvement over the previous version
>>98783373Lol very funny coincidence. I don’t think it looks terrible but I guess she has some bugbites. Would it kill em to channel Frank Frazetta just once though?
>>98783373I always wonder why they do this.Then I remember that the hate for beauty comes from ugly people and everything makes sense.
>>98761377Finally got around to it
>>98781932Beri naisu
I got 18 smackerinos in dividends today, bless GW.
>>98783373>Idealized self protrait of the DEI"sculptor"
>>98783373
So is there any news on what happened with the recent necromunda reveals?
>>98784221Probably someone fucked up production or Escher are missing the burka
>>98779579Comfy
>>98783396Frazetta is sexist because >Scantily clad attractive womenIf some sculptor even suggests something like that they would get blacklisted after a HR commissar hears about it.
>>98783396You have other options than GW. I made a 30 girl gang of unique figures all style matching, all sexy.Sample shown.
>>98784221They outdid Cursed City's fucked up release, that is what they did.
>>98784475Cool, but are we women enjoyers cursed with out of focus pictures?
>>98784475Nigga they heads all different ain't no matching style they be less organized than a cat house
>>98784452I just know that if they dared to make a model with some cleavage or something vaguely feminine it would absolutely sell. The rabid shebeasts and overly sensitive retards don’t actually buy models.
>>98784998The GSC magus is like the closest thing to a feminine figure GW has made in years.
>>98785032Yeah, its annoying because its generally pretty lauded as a good model, never was called “sexist” or anything, despite having a massive derriere and an actually well painted face.It must be an internal thing idk.
>>98785059>has no hair>communistIt's really no surprise tßh.
>>98784849Until they are finished, I intend to resume the project soon, we'll see how that pans out.
>>98785068>communistI have no idea where the communist part comes from.>be GSC>actually work>love family>love religion>have a disdain for the state >actually deliver what they promise>actually have competent individuals in position of powerThey are nothing like communist and I do not see people calling everyone that does a revolution a communist.
>>98785087Do not be like me N17 was kill before I finish my bunny girls.Now I'm stuck in the horrible limbo of half the group wanting to play the latest FOMO and the other half mad because their gangs didn't get a proper update in the older system.Think I'll look for another system, but the tism of Necromunda is part of the fun
>>98785099Display first, play a distant second.The cost of proonting means I can do projects outside of my 3 main games just because "that's cool" I also have a female inquisitor/retinue to finish off and I'm printing a corsair "kill team" right now, all 4 of these are essentially going to be dust collectors.
>>98783706>Lefty throwerHoly based
>>98781932Are you playing the new edition? Because Boromir in the games I play is a fucking menace.
Any night goblin leaks?
>>98785916Not enough interest, we play dead games here not "supported" ones
I fucking hate when yuropoors sign up for NA time leagues, like explicitly says NA time and then are annoying about when they can play. Like 90% of the shit on fumbbl is yuropoor time. there's no reason for them to sign up for NA time shit and then be like>oh no that's too late, you have to accommodate me the offical tournaments and shit are already yuropoor time and I'm sure they have yuropoor leagues. One of the faggots in the old /tg/ league (was actually American) would only play at like 6 am on weekends like a faggot
>>98772914I have never seen a person with a White person flag call someone a mutt. you are a third worlder and a tranny >>98783373>>98783396flat is justice
>>98772914silence, third world tranny >>98783706nice. I fucking hate elves. The current edition seems to really favor elves on fumbbl and most tournaments are under tiering proelves for some reasonthey're basically the grog choice for tournaments that either under tier them and give them too much stuff or tournaments that have some type of roster restriction like those squad tournaments where you have a squad of like 4-6 guys and each squad can't have 2 of the same raceyou just have so much more agency with the quick score and 2 turn scores. fucking bash teams can only win vs elves if the absolutely skull fuck the elves (most elf coaches are just going to not engage before turns 6 or 7 unless they can get the ball and get it away from the bash guys) or if there's OT and the bash team wins the OT coin toss.
I don't think I've ever seen anybody play Aeronautica Imperialis ever.
>>98787346Same reason most people won't be able to name 5 aviation game franchises.
>>98785225Meh if I wanted to display models I would not be doing models in this scale. One of the reason why I dislike modern models is the amount of details that only look good when seeing the model up close.Everything looks like a mess when they are placed on a table.
>>98789134>One of the reason why I dislike modern models is the amount of detailsGW made the new Space Marines with no details at all, they made it for you!
>>98789134And what would be the point in making them unplayable? Are you retarded?If you don't like painting, stick to videogames.
>>98789162>suggesting modern marines>year of our lordBait used to at least be possible.
>>98785089>working class LARP>leeches on society>make promises that lead to destruction>basically a mindvirus>worship the noble savageIt's commie libtards and their pets
>>98789181Mostly because GW has been selling more things online than a proper store ages now.There is no need to actually look good on a table when the average GW consumer just buy things online without context for the product they are buying.It is an issue not unique to GW and it specially noticeable in 3D prints where the artist use details as paint to fill up the space that should be done with painting. A lot of detail is fine when you are going to run a few models as in 5 to 40. But when a game is expected to have multiple 20+ squads and you enjoy painting and playing things start to become more questionable. But the comment was about display models. If I want to display something doing this scale is odd, larger models would be better if that is the purpose.
>>98789269Read the comment chain, you just confirmed that you're retarded.
>>98789236>working class LARPbut they do work, unlike commies>leeches on societySo not GSC, those fuckers are so hard working that the inquisition starts to wonder if a cult started because the worlds production is doing better. >make promises that lead to destructionDepends on the cult some just say they are going to turn you into a nid and well they are not wrong. Little detail about first being turn into soup though>basically a mindvirusThat would be chaos, GSC are nids larping as humans>worship the noble savageAre you reading WoW lore or something?
>>98789281Read it again, some how not liking a lot of detail trigger anon.It was a comment regarding the "Display first, play a distant second."It is ok to not like things
>>98787346Its bc the new edition was akin to describing an animal to someone who had never seen it, then asking them to draw it. Except that animal was original Aeronautica, and the drawing was new Aeronautica.
>>98789289You read filthy nigger>gwanon said prints, gw has no place>5-40anon said 30, why are you bringing up large forces like its a point>just displayanon said gaming is secondary NOT EXCLUDEDFucking READ
>>98789771Anon really dislike when people have different opinionsAlso painting with details is not something exclusively of GW, models for 3D printing suffer of this too.>anon said 30, why are you bringing up large forces like its a pointAhhh you are so trigger that you did not stop to think that the statement was a general one and not a particular case.Sorry that you confused an opinion as if someone was making some kind of absolute claim.Forgot I was posting in reddit it seems
>>98789822>suffer of this too.I see the problem here, come back when you've actually learned to communicate in English, ESL.>you are so triggerI can hear the thick and pungent accent through the screen, hory sheet.
You necromunda players sure are a contentious lot
>>98789911New edition means we're back on the same shit that we were on when N17 came out. That plus the new Orlock minis being in the normal GW "we can't make women that look like pin-ups" style means everyone's come out of the woodwork to fling some shit.
>>98789911Munda used to be a safe space hidden away from corporate GW. Nobody knew how this was possible and secretly we all knew it wasn't gonna last. It's clear shit's only going to get worse. We'll be stuck in a power creep loop for years with less and less options becoming the new standard
>>98790303"we" aren't stuck in anything, and (You) don't have to buy into the new shit.It's increduliusly obvious that it's going to become a warcry/killteam where the list is predetermined for you and there will be a few hundred special keyword abilities just like they're doing with nu-bloodbowl and star players.Just.Don't.Buy.Don't play it, don't purchase it, not for free or under any other circumstances.Your group has half the players decide to switch? Fine, now you have two groups, when they start bitching and moaning and you holdouts are still having fun, they'll come back.Have some backbone.
>>98789911I mean can you blame them? The anal destruction and gentrification by cash flush tourists ruined a lot of the hobby. In a lot of ways I pretty much don't want any official Mordheim shit to get revived at this point cause you'll see 300 for some bummy wet cardboard piece of shit and 2 models
>>98790622It drives me into a retard rage what they did over nu bloodbowl.
>>98790633That doesnt bother me at all, they and their cultist paypigs can do whatever they like.What drives me up the wall is when they and/or their paypig cultist chills come here to jerk off about it.They have reddit, facebook groups, official forums, every-other-fucking-place on the internet.There is no reason to be in the racist chud toxic hate site that they refuse to even buy banner ads on because they do not want to be associated with us.And we don;t want to be associated witht hem, that's why we have this place instead of going to literally any other option.they can all just FUCK OFF.
>>98790633Pls explain to someone who got into blood bowl two month ago
>>98790738the man who invented the game spent almost two decades working with the community to make the game better, for free. they didn't have profit as an incentive, their only motive was love of the game and wanting it to be a better experience.then in 2016, right as they decided "we're done, it's polished!" GW steps in and says "Thanks" and does a very shitty copy+paste of their work, splits it up into a bunch of different books to SELL over the course of a few years, along the way they fuck up a bunch of the rules with editing errors and insist on making changes to the rosters for the sake of changing up miniature collections (so you can feel a need to buy new ones from them)That didn't work great because lots of existing players saw that A) it was just a poor copy+pasteand/orB) that the system was entirely compatible with the existing communit/creator rules anywaySo in 2020 they re-re-release the game but this time they've changed how stats work so it is not directly compatible, and they double down on roster changes to force new miniature purchases, and from there things just get worse and worse and worse and I feel no need to be granular at this point.
>>98790788Thanks. Yeah I noticed that the team positionals are mostly locked to what's in the box, but in earlier editions you had more flexibility
>>98790876and I forgot the worst part with the miiatures: for all the years GW abandoned the game a third party market grew up to supply minis and it became the industry standard to sell you a full 16 miniature team in one purchase, all your positionals plus linemen to round it out.now sure, some teams like orcs or humans can go above 16 with positionals and the minimum linemen needed to field a starting 11, but GW ignored the market standard and tried to sell you JUST 11 without full positionals, often missing big guys entirely and certain positionals entirely.they still fucking do this.meanwhile there are still hundreds of third party FULL TEAM options, and if you print the options double or triple easily.There is no reason to ever have two duplicate minis in your teams.
>>98790633>>98790717nu bloodbowl is fine, you don't even need to buy new shit >>98790738>>98790876that retard is just a fucking turbo sperg and a dickless shit eating tranny with baby duck syndrome. nublood bowl does have some issues with things like OTTDs being too easy and stat ups being too easy to get and too low cost and some minor balance issues with individual team rosters/negative experiences like how undead, (which is still good) is kind of shit to play as because you only have 2 ghouls due to GW being retarded about>muh it's in the boxthere were tons of balance problems with LRB6 like how clawpomb was OP leading to high tv games just being murderfests. Lizards were OP as fuck. Wood Elves were OP and could cage break on a 3+ with very little counterplay available
>>98791000>minor problems>this, and this, and this, and this, ohh and that, and this...
>>98790788LRB6 wasn't done or polished. they didn't do anything to fix all of the GW bullshit rosters that came out in the 90s after 3rd edition to sell minis. Teams like Amazons, Undead, Lizards and Wood Elves were busted, retard. >roster changesyou can buy third party. most rosters either only got like 2 new positionals or lost positionals and the only stat stuff that changed was banning AG6 and MA10 and adding a passing stat >>98790876not really. you had more positionals but you didn't really have actual flexibility on all but the most expensive teams>>98790903it was 12, not 11. It was retarded, but you could still just use 3rd party minis and most 3rd party mini makers put out supplemental packs with the new positional >>98791014LRB6 had at least as many problems, if not more. I'm not saying the current edition fixes everything and doesn't have issues. but you are pretending LRB6 was amazing with no issues and that really was never the case. LRB6 has a ton of bullshit like natural 1 turners, unbalanced rosters, clawpomb, 3+ leap, ect. other than the stalling rule being gay and retarded and stupid roster rules to match the box, a lot of the current problems were LRB6 problems. shit like the dakka and 1 turn would have been an issue in LRB6 if someone had thought of it back then. you can do it with a natural 1 turner which rats, wood elves, high elves and pro elves could totally get.Clawpomb murder bullshit teams used to be a huge problem. hell just having a Pomber was a massive issue as long as you could protect him you could fuck up the other team with removals
>>98791030>muh welfs muh liggersThats a (You) problem>clawpombvideogame issue only, a tabletop game that takes 1-2 hours was not meant to be played 100 times a month repeatedly, that was never a /tg/ issue.But you wouldn't know that because you're a newfag pretending to be a grog.
>>98791078>Thats a (You) problemnot really since they nerfed both and no one has complained about them being nerfed and if anything every tournament pack nerfs them even more, you gay retard>videogame issue onlyyou could get claw pomb on a goat with 30 spp. hardly a difficult thing to do. I had a tackle pomb orc in the fucking /tg/ fumbbl league in fewer than 12 gamesyou're a gay retard, a no friends, no games, never plays retarded wanna be grog with baby duck syndrome and a troon
>>98791140>newfags dont complain about a change they never experiencedGee, I wonder why.
>>98791140See? You don't even know what the clawpomb issue was ( a full team of it) not a single headhunter.Newfag.
>>98791156I played LRB6, retardo>>98791161even a single one was a problem, retard. I could take out like half a team with one. having more than a few was a waste since you can only blitz once per turn. something you would know if you actually played
>>98791387Yes, we already know you will endlessly double down on your secondhand ignorance.
>>98790622It was a 75% split in favor of the new edition. I ain't gonna take the fight.
>>98791417we already know you are a no games, never played, no dick, broccoli haired, third world zoom zoom. Literally no one is complaining about clawpomb and 3+ leaps being nuked
>>98791457because "everyone" falls into two groups>never played LRB (You)>never stopped playing LRB (Me)Figure it out newfag.
>>98791525>newfagkek you were defeated
>>98791568There's no competition here, moron.Spontaneous declaration of "victory" only tells us that you feel you've "lost"
>>98791630I'm not even the person you were talking to jej
>>98791734Absolutely, I believe you kiddo ;)
Hey go back to the woman discussion, that one was more civilized. :^)
>>98791525I played lrb6, retardo. you're a fucking retard if you think it's perfect and didn't have any issues. I'd love a lrb7, cause everyone agreed that 6 had issues, just like 4 and 5 had issues. you are just a gay and retarded no games, no dick, wears your mother's clothing >>98791568>>98791734this>>98792161flat is justice but the faces suck
anyone have pdfs for the rulebook and army books for 2024 MESBG?
>>98787346I played it with a couple of guys at my FLGS semiregularily but there was always that air of "ok but when are they going to release Marines and Chaos?" for most of its' lifetime
Got house of chains, the new one. Would you like a GF?
>>98794148Yes, please.
House of chains GF d/MzxBBLDz
>>98794156Thanks, anon.
>>98792541samefagging is really sad kiddobut also>actually I would love an lrb7...No you wouldn't you just see that you're getting nowhere with this and you're so desperate for approval on your opinion that your samefagging to make it look like youve got it.GW rules are a hundred times worse in every way than any"problems" with the LRB6, especially since the "problems" you continuously repeat are only issues in the videogame which is just exhaustively reptitive proof that you don't play on the tabletop and your only exposure to the LRB6 is a pirated videogame.
>>98794711I didn't same fag you retarded gay third world retard. multiple people thing you are gay and retarded and that you have no dick
>>98794981Multiple personalities is not multiple people
>>98795025multiple people. multiple posters. everyone thinks you are a gay retard
>If I keep saying kiddo, I'll surely not lose!Defeated and embarrassingly so
>>98795070What's a matter vagueboy, afraid you might say something?
>>98795070nah, you got btfo'd by multiple posters, homo
>>98795159Right, and you're seething because... you "won"?
>>98795159>you got btfo'd by multiple postersMy first post is here >>98791568 and my second post is here >>98791734You're all just schizo as fuck and defeated
>>98795409Now you're arguing with yourself?
>>98795543Schizo Skitz!
>>98795283I'm not seething at all. I'm just calling you a retarded, third world tranny, cause you are>>98795409nah, you lost just like you lost every war and you have no dick
>>98795987>nah, you lost just like you lost every warHomie my country never fought a war
>>98796002yeah it has, you just never won one
>>98795987Your shrink must absolutely love having you for a client.
>>98796012Guess my country, if you get it right I'll stop posting ITT
>>98796225Iceland :^)
>>98796339Wrong!
>>98796140why would I go to a shrink? I'm not a homosexual>>98796225a gay third world one
>>98796493>a gay third world oneStill wrong
>>98796497There literally isn't any other option on the planet.
