Throne of Chaos Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Battle March General's Compendiumhttps://mega.nz/file/tP5STCAS#4yDuu8WLk-Mn4Ut2pe7x7AWwxJmEjXW5cvV0xtwMWD4>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98748831>Threads policy:No AI, nor AI discussion >Thread Question:Thamurkhan needs his 3 brothers: Vorgaroth gets retconned into being a fantasy character as the khornate brother; Tchar'zanek gets revealed to be the tzeentchian brother and gets the mutant from the mark of chaos teaser as his monster; what do you do for the slaaneshi one so it's similarly noteworthy?
>>98759169>the mutant from the mark of chaos teaserhttps://youtu.be/iUKsb03Rnf0
>>98759208Mark of chaos had the best cinematics. Warhammer online is a close second.
>>98759208>mark of chaosBased. I used to just watch those and the MMO trailers in a loop
>>98759280This looks so much better colored
>>98759611I still enjoy the WAR trailers and play on RoR. Good shit, nothing like Waaaghing as a Choppa and going into pvp.
>>98759705>play on RoRI gave it a go but ultimately didn't stick to it. I'm still mad WoW got as popular as it did and every MMO after copied their soulless quest design and game mechanics
>>98759711The gameplay is ok if you find a class you enjoy, but mostly I treat it like a way to see Fantasy maps/environments/locations "in person" so to speak.
>>98759711>>98759725The whole point of RoR/WHO was the pvp. No one did the quests outside of PQ's. You were supposed to level through pvp in scenarios and world pvp.
>>98759725Yeah I get that. To me it just felt like a Warhammer Fantasy skin on top of WoW, and as someone who always preferred the quests of Runescape or combat like Tera that was just no fun. The "core" felt rotten and no class would make it okay. If I want to play in Fantasy maps/locations I've got Mountain Blade and the Old Realms mod
>>98759749I get that, my go-to MMO was City of Heroes. AoR/RoR was mostly just for the Warhammer Fantasy flavor and experience.
>>98759742From a gameplay perspective that's definitely true, but for me reading the quests and looking at the environments back in the day was my introduction to Warhammer, so I still have a lot of fondness for them. Still remember helping a guy in the chaos area get a nurgling out of his armpit, and collecting teef for orcs. It was a really cool game that did a lot of things right, and I still blame EA almost entirely for fucking it up.The collector's edition orc warboss mini still leads my greenskins in battle now.
>>98759777>The collector's edition orc warboss mini still leads my greenskins in battle now.NTA but same here!
On the subject of flying castles, this Lustrian pyramid would actually be an incredible terrain mood piece and wouldn't disrupt gameplay or playability because it would sit above the table
I tire of the sloppers who refuse to stay in their containment threads and have to pollute this website and the world.
Skeletons this weekend?
>>98759169Is being so angry that you stick something into your butt more Khorne or Slaanesh?
>>98760068I'm so ready for VC
>>98759705I tried recently on marauder and found the t1 rvr to be kinda shityou have no damage and healers are immortal
Is there anything more brown coded than posting the same slop over and over just to try and annoy others?It's not even good bait, I swear.
>>98760240Actually for real, he's farming -izzat
>>98760240Yes: letting it bother you
>>98760240Workings, or lack thereof, of the indian mind are a mystery.
>Want to make a Mountain King final boss for WHFRP since I've hyperfixated on the Mountain King theme from Bramble (alongside the Scandinavian folklore aesthetic.)Is it really just as simple as using Throgg? Can I do that in Current Year? He's both an enormous troll and a king, kinda sorta, so it makes sense. I was tempted to go for the last Sky-Titan but the campaign's already aiming for Nordland/Ostland with a possible venture into Kislev, so Throgg makes sense.
>>98760072Why are the gravestones crossesIs Jesus in warhammer lol
>>98759169>Vorgaroth gets retconned into being a fantasy character as the khornate brotherI sleep easier at night thinking it was just an AoS abomination so I shall not accept this.Did they even sell him for a full year? lmao
>>98760888Lot of fantasy settings use crosses as a holy symbol, it's kinda jarring
>>98760950>Sigmar living rent free in the heads of TWW secondariesYou love to see it lol
>>98760955thought this was actually going to be a good crossover than I heard it was AoS and lost interest
>>98760966It's literally an AoS model. I was there when it released 3000 years ago.
Are the army books the only place to get Ogre Lore/Narratives? I imagine they haven’t had a dedicated novel but even just something where they’re a prominent part of seems to be hard to come by.
>>98761035Wild kingdoms? Not ogre perspective obviously but a decent read.
>Want to get into Old World>Go to the only LGS that's not over an hour away.>No minis, only some rulebooks on discount>Got pic related for $20 when it's $50 in store.Did Old World,,, fail?
>>98760312If I learned anything from playing and running games, then that people love big dumb monsters that speak and show some surprising amount of intelligence (for their kind).
>>98760955oy vey
>>98761055You know we live in the digital age right, grandpa? order today and some illegal will bring it to your front door the very next day.
>>98761055depends on the lgs
>>98761082I'd honestly have them deported instead. Press of battle for monstrous infantry WHEN??
Does anyone have Oasis Mercenaries models from Max Mini? I wonder what's their scale and what do they look like next to GW models but there's barely any pics on the internet with them.
>>98761086>Press of battle for monstrous infantry WHEN??hopefully never
>>98761094Why not?
>>98761097I dont want ogres to be better
>>98761099Fair enough, but I disagree.
>>98761099Bold words from someone in eating range, little 'un.
>98759280>98759627>98760015>98760269Wrong thread, buddy >>98749027
>>98760950The rider looked a bit better at one point, before they decided to downgrade him and his spot for some weird as fuck reason.
>>98759169>what do you do for the slaaneshi one so it's similarly noteworthy?Centaurs are underused for slaanesh, so he should be one.
>>98761315Still not a fan but at least it looks like something instead of a molten heap.
Question to people deeper into the lore than me: do dwarf priests get any kind of powers that would make them somewhat unique on the table or are they just normal dwarfs?
>>98761515Normal Dwarfs with runic tools. In Daemonslayer there is a dwarf priestess fighting but she gets killed by the Bloodthirster
>>98761515They get the ability to make temporary runes with the specific runes dependent on which ancestor god they focus on
>>98761521>>98761528Hmm, what if they became a unit with like 100 points for runes but the choice of the god would dictate what units they can join (mostly doom priest joining slayers while the others can't) and what runes they can take (doom priest can only take weapon runes, forge priest can only take armor runes and hearth priest can only take talisman runes) with the ability to grant the benefit of one of their non-master runes to their whole unit for a turn but using that rune up, so for example a forge priest could use up his rune of stone to grant armor save rerolls to his unit for a turn.
>>98761515Just normal dwarfs who get to cast and dispel spells by using runes instead of innate magical powers.If you were to try and expand the types of rune priests you could try to make up new runes and specialisations into the various forms of runecraft.>this runepriest is the best at making and enchanting armor and equipment and buffs its own combat capabilities, and the combat capabilities of nearby heroes and units>this runepriest is the best at unmaking spells, banishing demons, spooking ghosts, and shutting down the enemy's enchantments>this runepriest inscribes runes in the fucking ground to reshape the environment, move friendly and enemy units alike, and even make or unmake hills, walls and ravines>this runepriest crafts symbols of power to carry on high, they uplift and reinvigorate the spirits and tired bodies of their allies and instill shame and dread in the enemies >this runepriest comes from the older runic traditions of the norse dwarfs and is closer to a lightnings-spitting sword-swinging sorcerous barbarian than a priest >this runepriest comes from the more progressive schools of runecrafts and their applications on machines and advanced contraptions>this runepriest is actually just a fucking gnome that uses both runes and genuine spellcasting, alchemy, illusionism and elementalism>this runepriest uses forbidden runes and terrible methods, he's not allowed amongst normal dawi, and you're not allowed to know what he does, you can't have him
>>98761354Ah yes, blood demon, frog demon, ostrich daemon, and pan
>>98761062Yeah, no, I’m starting to formulate the plot. The best part is that the campaign structure feels easy to conjure.Campaign name>In the Thrall of the Mountain KingFirst arc>Do No Harm>The PCs go to Saltakan (butchering the name, I’m outside working - it’s the failing port in I think Ostland) to pay respects to a brilliant physician that touched each of their lives. He leaves them each a piece of a puzzle hidden in an heirloom and asks them to pay their final respects at a tavern in town. They learn there’s a conspiracy with the Physicians Guild in Salzenmund which culminates in them discovering Festus the Leechlord has been advising the use of troll flesh for woundsSecond Arc>Here Be Monsters>PCs learn the troll meat was supplied by some hunters in Middenheim, cue both urban and Drakwald shenanigansThat’s what I’ve got so far, butchering the names and specifics but they’re all things I know are in either Sea of Claws or Salzenmund.
>>98762301Do Trolls live in dense forests?It seems like one of the few biomes where they are scarce.I guess you can't just make the trolls come from the Schadensumpf
>>98762333Trolls are everywhere! They could come from the Middle Mountains, which gives extra hooks with the Brass Keep and Goblins.
>>98762360True, I just saw you say Drawkwald and assumed you would make the PCs go southwest from Middenheim rather than east
>>98762360>>98762333The hook after the monster hunters is that they’re getting paid in very rare herbs which are revealed to be from the Bile Lands, which takes them to Erengrad and then Troll Country. The Mountain Halls of Throgg makes for a very folkloric finale, he’s even got a quartz throne (and princes and princesses as hostages!)
>>98762333>>98762381If its an issue, just say there's a cave in the woods, problem solved
>>98762367The Drakwald is just so iconic of Middenland that I need to find ways to use it. Could even be unrelated to the whole Throgg business; the campaign takes place as Toddy’s getting out of his dead wife funk and will take his first expedition into the Drakwald, leading to Khazrak and that bloody feud. Getting the Graf’s admiration is always useful for authorizing expeditions of their own.
>>98762394You’re falling into a common GM trap; just because there’s cool stuff in the campaign area doesn’t mean you HAVE to use it. If you need to use the Drakwald than use it while they’re going from Salzenmund to Middenheim.
cover reveal for the Wreckers Point book i think this was announced like three years ago now>‘There’s not much there... other than backwards folk, raiders, smugglers, wreckers, goblins, elves in the woods, weird old ruins… alright, take that back. There is stuff there, but nothing you’d want to see if you have your head screwed on. It’s a wild, remote hinterland and you can keep it.’>Ida Haufmann, Beeckerhoven merchant>Far to the north and west of the Empire, Wrecker’s Point is a forlorn and windswept headland, buffeted by storms and spray from the Sea of Claws. A few smallholders attempt to eke out a living from the soil, while adventurous sorts chase rumours of lost treasure to find, ancient sites to explore, and bounties to win by bringing dangerous outlaws to justice.>The Jutone Riding, as the area is also known, is a border region, defined by the Sea of Claws to the north, the mysterious Laurelorn Forest to the south, and the fetid marshes of the Wasteland to the west. Its isolated nature makes it a haven for pirates, cutthroats, and all manner of shady characters.>https://cubicle7games.com/en_EU/blog/wreckers-point-cover-revealConsidering this is done by the same writer as the Salzenmund book, I do have some hopes for this one
>>98762457I’m not expecting anything serious with this one, but a freeholder career and some solid hooks leading into Marienburg would be exactly what I want out of this.
>next new army isn't kislev>it's bretonnian vampires>coming with bret refresh in a vs boxsource: my hopes and fucking dreams
Don’t get your hopes for the barrow kingdoms aoi it seems
>>98763167why was anyone getting their hopes up again? just for the name? when it's clearly just a push for the new kangs cavalry and skeletons?
>>98763167What new info has come out?
>>98763167What do you mean? I just assumed it would be just rules for Tomb Kings army with shit like Ushabti replaced by a generic 'Barrow construct', *maybe* rules for a Necromancer if we're lucky, then some blurb going "Kitbash your tomb kings with chaos marauder bits to give a Barrow like appearance :)".Are we not getting that?
>>98761923Pan was a satyr (or a god that looked like one)
>>98762930That would be pretty cool, I have seen some great Mousillon conversions
>>98763245>>98763193>>98763276Whitefang (AoS leaker with 100% hit rate) reacted to a post asking if there would be ghosts and other VC stuff in the AoI with a sad face.
>>98761713Most of those sound like weird book ideas rather than game ideas.
>>98763355Yeah, Pan is a god, who makes a cameo in The Wind in the Willows as a sort of god of the countryside and animals
There is going to be a Q&A tomorrow.There might be TOW stuff in it
>>98764118I wouldn't expect jack shit
>>98763744those thick blue highlights look atrocious
Assembled a few more Gors for my warherd
>greyposting The state of this slow ass general
Hey, fellow peasants, I'm looking for help with my Halloween one shot (or 3 session scenario depending on the length)I'm working on a murder mystery scenario for 2e, available careers are noble state related (kennelmaster, bailiff, servant, etc)During a Noble party celebrated during Geheimnisnacht (they "celebrate" with a mutant hunt on the surrounding forest and during the night they have a banquet), a snow storm hits the state and they all stay inside the walled state however someone kills the Master and the killer is amongst the invited guests or staff (maybe because the Master was planning something sinister and the killer, at the end, it's technically a hero?)So (WIP from this point) besides the storm, there's a horde of Beastmen on its way (a wendigo perhaps?) and they have to resolve the mystery because 1) despite being an asshole it was the players "beloved" (depends on the player) master or at least the one paying them and he was supposed to pay them by the end of the festivities, 2) they have to resolve this before the Beastmen come and overrun the place, if they or anyone else try to leave before that the invited Witch Hunter or Imperial authority like a local Roadwarden or a really loyal Man-at-Arms will execute themHe is not guilty for various reasons but cannot solve this on his own cuz he was incapacitated (he brings the news of the Beastmen horde or he was hurt during the hunt, depends on the type of career he is)Also even if they could sneak past this individual they wouldn't get far with the storm and because, huh, IT'S FUCKING GEHEIMNISNACHT3) I'm doubtful if I should add a "hidden treasure" element, you know, a red herring for the players, maybe that's why the Master was killed but also something to tempt them to try to get it before everything gets fucked
>>98764456>a snow storm hits the stateisn't that rather early in the year for that? Like if some place in Germany got covered in a freak snowstorm on halloween that would be pretty weird.The closest thing to Wenigo in Warhammer isn't really Beastmen, but something like a Mourngul, so maybe change it to some undead threat that rose due to Geheimnisnacht.I'm not really sure what you're asking for help on anon sounds like you made a basic Who Dunnit Scenario, and so long as you make it a fair mystery for your players there shouldn't be any problems. On point 3, including a least one red herring is probably a good idea, but maybe not a hidden treasure since I think most players would expect a double subversion there and it ends up being something completely worthless and just ignore it
>>98764425I think a lot of posters lost interest in the thread, considering the absolute state of it recently.
>>98764667>recentlyI was here about two, three years ago now? Despite being low population there was rampant shitposting, like the dipshit telling everyone they're in the wrong general. Slower generals can't take that sort of abuse, people will just be turned away and not bother with the thread. So no it's not just "recent" and yes I'm not really surprised
Are cannons just protected from other cannons on hills since the crunch change? If I read it right, the cannonball always crunches into the hill much like it would a builder or monsterous creature/behemoth.
>>98765001It's protected from the roll, RAW, but not if your opponent manages to bullseye your cannon.
What is the most underdog faction, where you basically play as scum? And how good is said faction? As someone who is interested but likely won't ever play.
>>98765431Skaven?
>>98765841Are they underdogs? They have nukes, machine guns and frankenstein monsters.
>>98765856You can just run infantry if you think their warpstone gizmos are too much, but yes they are one of the scrappiest, weakest and horde armies.
>>98765856On average they're a pathetic bunch, if you mean on a faction level then anything "good" - elves and dwarfs are strong on average but in decline barely holding onto scraps of their old power and humans are rising but always one major chaos, orc or skaven invasion from having their civilization destroyed and becoming enslaved.
>>98765431Skaven, goblins and beastmen are scum and reasonable underdogs despite being pests.Skaven are kind of shit in the game while goblins and beastmen are pretty good, mainly thanks to fanatics and good magic.
>>98764425Post your own fully painted minis then
>can't get to 100 posts in 1,5 dayNo wonder GW scraped this game
I regret not getting the 7/8e plastic dark elves now. Seems there's plenty of the older metals around but not the newer plasticsOn the bright side by the time Slop Workshop bring them back I'll probably have grown out of my edgy goth phase.
>>98766750I wonder why, are they sitting on the legend factions until they have a fresh stock ready or is it some legal bullshit between GW studios?
Are TOW models the same scale as WFB models? I have a few plastic oldies lying around and I was wondering if I should grab a handful of Cathay infantry to keep them company or if I'll be filtered by the usual scalecreep BS.
>>98766844For the most part yes they did increase the base size for basic infantry to 25mm
>>98766844some are in scale, some are weirdly bigger
>>98766883I can never get over how ugly stormcast are as a faction.
>>98766912I have made peace with them since they killed fatcasts, but unfortunately they're wrong at a fundamental level.Fortunately there's an apocalypse between us and them that only time travelling shenanigans can cross and gw still doesn't dare having those.
>>98766881>>98766883Does that mean Seraphons are bigger than Lizardmen? Or TOW Tomb Kings/Bretonnians bigger than WFB Tokb Kings/Bretonnians?
>>98766920Lizardmen are a monstrous race, so you're going to find greater differences: the basic saurians are more or less the same height but bulkier, so harder (but not impossible) to fit in a regiment, kroxigors got bigger but are still going to fit fine on squares because they're mostly vertical mass, the cavalry is where shit escalated fast, the replacement for cold ones are basically the size of the old carnosaur and even if you were to fit them on a 25x50 or 30x60 base they would be way longer than that, which was already an issue with older cold ones and especially dark elf ones, so the advice here is to make the rear bases of the unit empty and each model effectively count as 2 models, by contrast the new skink cavalry is closer to the old cold ones in size.Kroak because a fuckhueg centerpiece and the chair for the normal slann got fatter, but those fly so you can technically have them fit on an old base with little work.bretonnian foot knights are one infamous instance of new models being nonsensically taller, the good news is that nobody cares about that unit anyway, while size differences between mounted cavalry models are harder to gauge so easier to dismiss.The new tomb kings do look taller but most of that is an impression from the fact their proportions have been redone, so they have smaller heads for taller more slender bodies, but still human sized all in all.
>>98762930>>98763744As much as I find undead bret conversions really cool, is there ever a real example of Mousillon being a mobilized undead army? To my knowledge its just a cursed and really shitty region.Even the affair of the false grail wasn’t vampire related, the false grail seems to be some generic evil artifact, separate from the bloody grail as far as we know.I feel like a lot of it comes from TWW where Mousillon is used as an esrly game undead foe. In reality I don’t believe it has any permanent governance and is basically just Mordheim in Bretonnia.
New runes when GW!
>>98766948Appreciate the detailed answer. I think Seraphons are overdetailled anyway and I trully hate the modern "dinosaurs are birds" design they went with.
>>98767020>"dinosaurs are birds"I do prefer the more lizard-like/fantasy/outdated designs too but I think they went in the best direction they possibly could: all the other dinosaurs are still scaled and not feathered, the only exception is the skinks mount, which specifically has protofeathers instead of normal feathers, and for which the alternatives were smaller raptors, but horned, which is a bit redundant with the larger raptors, or terror birds, which are even more distant design wise, or the jurassic park frilled dilophosaur, which is intellectually owned, so making a smaller frilled slightly bird-like raptor feels perfect, especially since they also connected them with their feathered serpent god as an extra measure.The one thing I'm holding against the new lizard designs is that they cleaned them up way too much, they have little to no bones, skulls or tusks decorating them and taking away those elements and the scaled shield for the normal saurus robs them of what were ideal surfaces for different colours on the model, while now people are driven to paint the minis with fewer colors, with shields almost always as a solid slab of gold on minis that already have plenty of other places for gold parts.
>>98767056Reminds me of a White Dwarf article teasing the coming or actual release of the 6th edition Lizardmen armybook. As a poorfag I lost hours of my life daydreaming on those pictures.Do we have a WD trove? I did a quick search and it's going to be somewhere from WD 251 to 290.
>>98760950>I sleep easier at night thinking it was just an AoS abominationAchtchually his fluff is that he was born and became a champion of khorne in the old world, he got the dragon in aos though.
>>98766883>>98766948Wrong thread buddy
>>98767130lizards be lizards be lizards
>>98767147Bad payupiggie, your thread calls them seraphon. You have to go back.
>>98767163be lizards
>>98767130>>98767163shut your bitch ass
>>98766987No Mousillon just sucks. Red Duke is the bret vampire and I think he's from Aquitaine? They just stuck him in Mousillon in TWW and so there are a lot of conversions for them, but that doesn't mean undead brets have to be Mousillon if they ever became a playable army.
>>98767130I agree, you're in the wrong thread. Now fuck off back to /twg/ and finish your TWW campaign instead of posting here, you shitstirring faggot
>>98767163Don't be a faggot. Lizardmen, Skaven and Vampire Counts are rigthfull WHFB clay.
Pastebin anon, it's been a month since I've tried to warned you to update your TOW RPG folder. Here, it even has picrel:>mega dot nz /folder/nD4hzKzD#XGTaQxi60x2p85xP1HWr9Q
>>98767267Man this art is bad
>>98767282I think the artist, Alessandro Boer just isn't used to doing a big scene like on that cover, as he's done decent character study work for WFRP in the past and even published after that
>>98767267What's that goblin doing?
>>98767267Thanks.
>>98767123Keep it entirely to yourself. This one's too important to let a fool get takedowns filed.OHMaterial2
>>98767267>fat women on the battlefieldStunning and brave. The art itself is as soulless as the subject.
>>98767267What's the point of having WHFB RPG *and* TOW RP? Does the lore being set earlier really make any difference? Is it a different system? If so, why?
>>98767472It's a different system, supposedly more simple and "heroic" in terms of powerlevel. A bit closer to a typical D&D style adventure RPG compared to WFRP's grittier, crunchier and more investigative style.As for why.. I'd guess GW wanted to have a clear tie in RPG for the battle game. And have it be more approachable for new players.
>>98767472The systems are different, but they are thematically rather similarWFRP is a percentile d100 system, and TOWRPG is a d10 system TOWRPG system on magic, miracles, and Corruption is also pretty different from WFRP
>>98767685If that was the case, why didn't GW itself make an RPG for TOW?We know GW is willing to do that since they made a Necromunda RPG without C7 involvement
>>98767130Idiot, it was about the model size/height. The bases are all the same thickness so who cares of some of them are round.>>98767163You are posting in a warhammer thread, even if you call it old world, you still gib money to James to play mediocreness, shit in a diverent color is still shit.
>>98767459>fat women on the battlefieldShe's a dwarf chucking shit (looks like a grenade) off a wall during a siege, give me a break. But the art looks soulless, yes.
>>98767689>TOWRPG is a d10 systemNTA but this is my pet peeve with this system. If you're going to do a dice pool system based on a Warhammer game make it a d6 one!>but everyone has a shitton of d6s so we can't sell them moreFucking GW.
>>98767782No I will not give you a break with your soulless piece of propaganda slop. Nothing about that piece of trash is excusable.
>>98767267Those "pre-generated" characters are all shit, and I dislike C7 shoving them into artwork (like in that pic).
>>98767808Wonder how bad the 5e pre-made characters will be
>>98767801Nothing excusable about a dwarf chucking grenades from a wall during a siege? Ok whatever you say sperg.
>>98767809The starter set is in the trove, you can check them out.
>>98767811Do not make me repeat myself, I will not humor you, troon.
>>98767818Nobody asked you to repeat yourself even once retard, feel free to stop posting.
>>98767817Sorry, I meant WFRP5e, which does not have a starter set yet
so TOW has the AoS abstraction of heroes being twice as big as they should realistically be?
>>98767818Take it back to /pol/, shitposter
>>98767843Not sure a Foot Knight model is the best comparison, since they still go on 25mm bases, but that Chaos Lord model does on 30mm, so he should generally be bigger.
>>98767843>chaos lord/sorcerer bigger than some dudeYea, no shit. Chaos warriors are fucking massive, theyre to humans the same way space marines are.
>>98767843I don't think you can say much how big a chaos lord should realistically be.But it is an issue with the empire general, yes.
>>98767874I wouldn't expect them to be twice the height of a regular CW
>>98767883>twice the height It doesn't look that dramatic
>>98766987>bretonnia has mousillon>the empire has mordheim>kislev has praag>cathay has xen wu>lustria has xhautecAny other faction's got their own ruined spooktown?
>>98767883I understand that I can’t understand how small people such as yourself perceive size differences. But I assure you that for normal sized people they are nowhere near twice the size.
>>98767924>Any other faction's got their own ruined spooktown?Nagarythe.
>>98767924does tylos/skavenblight count for tileans?do the rats even live on the surface there?
>>98764316Say that to my face from three feet away
>>98767924Dwarves have a couple of cursed Karaks, like Karak Vlag or Karak VarnI'm not sure the High Elves have a straight-up cursed city , I guess the Wood Elves have the Glade of Woe if that counts.
>>98767924I hear Karak Vlag is a pretty fucked up place.
Playing for the first time in a while vs cathay on sunday. Someone talk me out of trying a chaos dude on a demonic steed with the special barding.
>>98767924Strigos/Mourkain in the Marshes of Madness would be another one, even if it just Carthage for the Strigoi bloodline
Do y'all agree with their list?
I figured I'd try asking again if someone could help with an art piece. It might be by blanche, but it's a collage of different warhammer races faces, very charming. Heavy shadows around the eyes for the style, but Google is not helping at all
>>98768025I didn't know they talked about the same topic, and I honestly don't think they have good opinions when it comes to ratings and tierlists, even if their streams are generally good explorations of the given topics.It's like as if someone knew what colour theory was but couldn't tell colors apart when confronted with them.
>>98768035Could you show this piece of art anon?
>>98768035maybe something by wayne england?
>>98759611Are cygore just chaos corrupted giants?
>>98767874On this very guy, if what is said in the 7th/8th book is true, why would Engra Deathsword, literally, backstab Asavar Kul on the eve of battle? What is there to gain when its meant to be the final big push into the empire?
>>98768054No, I'm trying to find the name and it forever eludes me. I thought I had it saved somewhere, but alas>>98768106Thanks! I'll check that
>>98768131wait a moment, let me read in the mind of the chaos writer who will redo the new lore for the great war against chaos>actually the point of the great war wasn't to destroy the world or the empire, because asavar knew he wasn't the true everchosen and that the future destroyer of the world would be cooler (of which you can buy a miniature now! just go play aos please!), and that he knew his role was to pave the way for him (belakor told him so, go buy his model too!)>so it was all secretly a diversion to enact a ritual that would bring the chaos gods closer to the world and end the drought of chaos that was defining chaos in the past few centuries (and create the scenario for belakor to possess a guy and rape a woman to birth archaon, go buy the novels!)>but asavar kul is the only chaos warrior who wants that, as all the others either don't know what it means to bring the gods closer to the world, or know that if that happens the path of chaos undivided is undermined and the people of the north and beyond will be taken and enslaved by one god or another as their sole toys>which means that asavar kul wants that for special reasons, like revenge against his father or other father figure or something, while the cooler engra who is a true champion of undivided and a chad who don't need to god wants the warriors of the north to stay as they are, so when he gets what asavar is doing he tries to stop him>he fails and the rest is history, but somehow engra survive and ends up totes liking archaon because he too professes the path of undivided (please, I beg you, buy the miniature)
>>98768025Fat of Sotek. Lmao.
>>98768252>asavar kul is rewritten to be horus just like archaon was rewritten to be abaddonSo this is what they meant by TOW being fantasy's Horus Heresy.But who's this story's emperor?
>>98768312magnus?
>>98768312Christ, I’ve been calling AoS as ‘fantasy 40k’. I’m sorry if I meme’d this into reality
>>98768252Good god, that is so bloody awful I can see it becoming a reality. Hope GW isn't reading this...
>>98767999Also: on this topic. Which is cooler>Champion of ruin>Slug skin + bedazzling helm + mark of nurgle>Great weapon>Demonic mount>3x extra rolls>crown of eternal conquestOr>Chaos lord>Demonic Mount>Flail of wrecks>crown of eternal conquest>Demonsteel mount
>>98768252All written by ADB.
>>98768025They look like huge faggots
>>98768312you know it in your heart>it will be revealed that asavar's tribes comes from the eastern people and once belonged to the cathayan empire but were cut off and abandoned when they erected their great wall just south of where they resided and helped fend off chaos>asavar believes their people have been denied salvation for the interests of a cruel and uncaring tyrant and that only the chaos gods care, and will give him the way to doom of cathay if he does what they tell him>attacking the empire and enacting the ritual is just something necessary to attack cathay from afar, destabilise its compass or as base of operations to launch an attack from the west, if they weren't stopped >also he's dragon blooded, descended from the dragon child who fell to chaos, and the dragon child fell to chaos because his son asavar did in the first place
>>98768369they are
>>98768025Andy Law looks like he should be carried around in a cuck chair throne of power.
>>98767692Necromunda RPG isn't an RPG, it's a wargame in a wig and a dress like Inquisitor was.
>>98767843GW makes almost all their character models bigger than normal minis for some dumb fucking reason.
>>98768131>why would Engra Deathsword, literally, backstab Asavar Kul on the eve of battle?We dont know who backstabbed Kul, might have been engra or might have been literally anyone else>but why!Because chaos isnt a team sport. No one on the chaos side cares about "chaos" as a side, they care about themselves and their position in the hierarchy. Theres no point in chaos winning if theyre not getting a promotion in the process, and stabbing the guy above you to death is one of the easiest ways to get a promotion. The chaos lord is dead, long live the chaos lord!Also it wasnt so much "on the eve of battle" as "in the thick of battle", i.e the perfect moment to backstab someone if all you care about is stabbing them in the back and not whatever greater schemes they may have had in play. The chaos (literal, not the cosmic force) of it all really helps with any betrayals you may be planning. >What is there to gain when its meant to be the final big push into the empire?What if it isnt, what if youre going to lose and this guy is the guy to blame? What if it is, but youre confident you can get the dub without kul (or maybe even while taking his place!)What if you dont care, and your personal status, vendetta, or attempt at divine favor are far more important than the promise of infinite empire villages to burn?"Warriors of Chaos" are not a kingdom or nation, theyre general descriptor for any ambitious sociopath who tries to get immortality by killing enough people to make satan notice him. It is, by design and inherent nature, filled with unstable and unreasonable people with grandiose dreams and very high estimations of themselves and their own abilities.
>>98768398So they stand out while in a unit, and so the detail on them (which tends to be more detail than normal) is more readable.
>>98768131>if what is said in the 7th/8th book is trueAnd the BRB. Basically everything other tham the empire version of events. >why would Engra Deathsword, literally, backstab Asavar Kul on the eve of battle?Because he wanted to kill him, presumably.>What is there to gainAn open spot at the top.
>>98768387God the baby carrier looks retarded.
>>98768379It feels too indirect, I need more personal drama.
>>98768395In Inquisitor, each player had their own warband; there was greater customisation for each character within it compared to other skirmish games that why it was called a Narrative Skirmish game.The best comparison to draw for this Necromunda RPG is something like Advanced HeroQuest which is 100% an RPG
>>98768445I joked about the cuck chair Throne of Power but I like both it and the Grey Knights Nemesis Dreadknight.
>>98768406I expect such mid battle betrayal to be a Skaven or Empire thing, not Chaos who, while chaotic, should have a semblance of order no? That's why the GWAC even happened, because they ordered it. It just seems like such a shitty way for a champion of chaos to go. They were surrounded but if you want to survive, I'd hazard there are better ways than decapitating your own armies general! I know its Warhammer but I don't think any of the other evil races sans Skaven have accounts of this. >>98768439Bit hard to get the open spot at the top when your army is being attacked from three sides. Warhammer isn't history, its fiction but it must be top 5 most stupid things done in the regular Warhammer canon. >we are surrounded by 3 armies and losing, what should I do?>try to fight my way out to safety>try to rally what men i have to turn this battle around>instantly kill the one thing holding this entire army together since day 1....
>>98768573>not Chaos who, while chaotic, should have a semblance of order no?What the fuck are you on about. >That's why the GWAC even happened, because they ordered it.The GWAC happened because an individual was able to wrangle enough cats together through naked threat of force. There is no central leadership, theres the biggest guy around keeping everyone else in line through violence and cooercion. Its just an ork waagh with less shouting. >It just seems like such a shitty way for a champion of chaos to go.And yet entirely realistic for that sort of figure. Whether youre alexander or the swedish king, when youre a slave driver leading an army through force of will, your army only follows you as long as your decisive victories outweigh their distaste for your shit. And those are armies of normal men, not supernatural sociopaths looking for immortality.
>>98768573>but I don't think any of the other evil races sans Skaven have accounts of this.VC have plenty of this shit. See; mannfred. >Bit hard to get the open spot at the top when your army is being attacked from three sides.Thats the easiest time to get the spot, when the guy currently occupying it looks distracted and vulnerable.
>>98767774>you still gib money to James to play mediocreness,By posting?Are you okay piggie?
>>98768845What’s your address? I will buy and send you a step stool so you can finally reach the x in the corner of your screen and leave us be.
>>98768610>What the fuck are you on about. Chaos still has command structures and champions, some who follow out of loyalty like in Mark of Chaos. They also need to have some kind of organisation to get the proverbial ball running.>There is no central leadership, theres the biggest guy around keeping everyone else in line through violence and cooercion. Its just an ork waagh with less shouting. I don't know a single Orc Waaagh in Fantasy or other settings where the leader was openly assasinated mid battle by a friendly. I understand Tzeentch etc are backstabbing fucks and Tamurkhan had plenty challenge him. But again, not in the middle of a battle.>Whether youre alexander or the swedish king, when youre a slave driver leading an army through force of will, your army only follows you as long as your decisive victories outweigh their distaste for your shit. And those are armies of normal men, not supernatural sociopaths looking for immortality.Well that's a valid point, I admit.>>98768633Manfred was betrayed? >Thats the easiest time to get the spot, when the guy currently occupying it looks distracted and vulnerable.Yes but not when you are surrounded by enemies! Bit counterproductive to survival!
>>98760068They had skeletons already, in the Tomb Kings section of the reveal the other week.
in the Q&A they said the Gargantuan treeman is just rules for the existing treemen models
>>98768965I don’t really know what anyone expected
>>98768965But they also said there will be a refresh for the beastmen and the empire
>>98768977I think the Monday Marauders have people perpetually hoping for a secret model reveal out of the blue.
>>98768997That's only from a rumour monger anon
>>98768997They didn’t say that specifically, just that other factions will be getting the refresh treatment that WoC and Tomb Kings got.
>>98769034But anon, ‘other factions’ would necessarily include the empire and beastmen
Sadly it makes sense that people buying up the - imo bad, new Chaos Warriors and Knights shows GW that they can happily re-release Fantasy lines and give less miniatures and options with worse designs and all for a bigger price tag.
>>98769034They specifically mentioned those two which means they'll be coming, that's how they do thing. It's the whole wink wink thing.
>>98769075What, genuinely, do you dislike about the new warriors and knights?
>>98769062We know the next one is Breetonia after the Tomb Kings
>>98769161they’re not memorable at all. There’s not a lasting motif about them. If I had to chose a single word to describe them, it would be awkward.
>>98769227Well, I don't agree but faor emough. Dofferent strokes and all that jazz.
>>98769227Being memorable isn’t a marker of quality. Something can be shit and memorable and good and memorable. They obviously harken back to 5th edition chaos warriors, I assume they are before your time
>>98769299I’m sorry but they read more as space marines than fantasy chaos warriors. Hence my apathy for them.
>>98769299They look nothing like the scoliosis warriors, which don't even have furs on top of looking like goofy inbred retards
>>98769321>Space Marines take their aesthetic foundations from Chaos Warriors>Chaos Warriors get updated to modern proportions>”I don’t like how they remind me of Space Marines….”Is there a word for when the source gets called uninspired cause people only know what was inspired by it?
>>98769321If they read like space marines to you then you’re just completely blind so I can understand your apathy for them. >>98769352You should look at 5th edition art, some of the designs are pulled straight from it
>>98769398Yes I believe it’s called regurgitation >>98769400Look man, all I’m gonna say is that they have shoulder pads that almost put saturine shit to shame. They just don’t have that knight feel that they’ve always had. They’re completely alien, and not in a good way.
>>98769443They’ve always had massive shoulder pads. I feel like you simply don’t like Warhammer designs, and that’s fine, but why are you here if you don’t like Warhammer?
>>98768934>Manfred was betrayed?Mannfred was the one doing the betraying (although frankly 90% of everyone involved with vlad was just out for themselves).
>>98769443It’s not regurgitation it’s ignorance. On your part specifically
>>98768934>Chaos still has command structures and championsYes, in the sense that an individual champion has sycophants or those that he can bully into obeying him, and some of those have followers of their own (once again either sycophants or people bullied into it). There is no central loyalty in chaos except to the self, 99% of chaos warriors are there for the shit chaos gives them, not because theyre philosophically engaged or interested in chaos as some cosmic truth. That tzeench champion doesent think tzeench is the morally correct option, he thinks tzeench offers the best employment benefits. Its an army of the ultimate ranian individualist only out for themselves, where each guy thinks they can (and actually kinda realistically COULD) be the guy in charge, a collection of temporarily embarassed chaos lords following the current biggest guy for as long as they get shit from doing so (enough to outweigh their ego and selfish inclinations). >They also need to have some kind of organisation to get the proverbial ball running.Anon, the thing that makes everchosen significant is that theyre the guys who get the ball running. Thats the thing that makes them so dangerous. Its not that theyre such badass fighters (although its chaos, so thats sorta expected), its that theyre the guys who are somehow able to get some semblance of coherent organization out of the forces of chaos, which are otherwise fighting each other more than anyone else. The favor of the chaos gods helps in this regard, but if divine favor was enough to ensure loyalty no chaos god would ever get insubordination, the chaos gods dont care if you kill their champions as long as youre interesting, and every champion of chaos knows this.
===New FAQ [1998 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Warriors of Chaos, Grand Melee===++ Characters [523 pts] ++Chaos Lord [367 pts] - Hand weapon- Full plate armour- Shield- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- General- Daemonic Mount- Daemon-Blooded Steed- Crown of Everlasting Conquest- Flail of Wrecks- Enchanting AuraExalted Sorcerer [156 pts] - Hand weapon- Light armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Wizard [Level 1 Wizard]- Chaos Steed- Power Scroll- Lore Familiar- Dark Magic++ Core Units [614 pts] ++5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)5 Marauder Horsemen [67 pts] - Hand weapons- Light armour- Shields- Chaotic Cult [None]- Formation [Open Order]- Marauder Horsemaster (champion)6 Chaos Knights [224 pts] - Lances- Shields- Heavy armour- Barding- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne]- Champion [Brazen Collar]- Standard bearer- Musician5 Marauder Horsemen [67 pts] - Hand weapons- Light armour- Shields- Chaotic Cult [None]- Formation [Open Order]- Marauder Horsemaster (champion)12 Chaos Warriors [196 pts] - Hand weapons- Heavy armour- Shields- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Champion- Standard bearer- Musician- Prophetic Foresight++ Special Units [426 pts] ++5 Chosen Chaos Knights [306 pts] - Lances- Shields- Full plate armour- Barding- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Khorne]- Champion [Brazen Collar]- Standard bearer [Totem of Wrath]- MusicianChaos Chariot [120 pts] - Hand weapons- Halberds- Mark of Khorne++ Rare Units [435 pts] ++Warpfire Dragon [435 pts] - Wicked Claws- Warpfire Blast- Full plate armour (Draconic scales)- Level 2 Wizard- Daemonology---How does this look vs cathay?
>>98769443Anon, Chaos Warriors are the original shoulder pad merchants. Theyre the reason space marines have the big shoulder pads.
>>98769758Akcshually huge pauldrons are historically accurate.
>>98769034I just know that the new State Troops will make the current ones look desirable in comparison
>>98769847i think once we see the new Bretonnian knight sculpts, we can make a guess on what future human models will look like
>>98766912I still can't believe there's actually a market for the slop that is AOS lore.
>>98768294Wtf is Andy Law wearing in that picture. Is he trying to impress Sotek with his plumage?
>>98770101hey supposedly there is a market for cathays "lore". Alls possible at this point.
>>98768368>ADBWhat the hell happened to that guy? He hasn't released anything in ages. Probably off telling randomers how female custodes always existed in the lore and weren't a retcon.
>>98769225Gib me plastic Grail Knights (no lasses thanks)
>>98770128You'll get shaniqua on horse and you'll be happy.
>>98770119We just don't know. According to his LinkedIn page he's still employed my GW, though his last published novel came out in 2022 with Echoes of Eternity.Maybe he is actively working on the Rulebook/Codices' narrative.
>>98769730Warhounds aren't worth taking in TOW. Replace both units with another unit of marauder horsemen. Those chaos warriors will accomplish nothing, reconsider their inclusion or at least bring 20 of them. I strongly recommend never taking a chaos chariot.
>>98770148When was his last public appearance?
Played my first game of Mordheim in a while and I forgot how fast and terrifying bears, and extension other large monsters, are.
>>98770101>>98770113People like slop, and AOS does have some cool high fantasy models like Gloomspite.
>>98770101I think some of the ideas in the obr faction are pretty cool, like how they can only be demoted, which can lead to all sorts of backstabs and plots within their upper echelons. Them also acting as a protection racket for mortals is pretty fun. Then there are the libertarian dwarfs who fled roads and age of consent to the skies...
>>98770157Warhounds are an amazing screen and give you lots of control over charges. Not sure about that list in particular, but in Wolves of the Sea, they're invaluable to keep your Berserkers and Khorne Huscarls from getting baited by chaff; I'd imagine they'll be just as important for the Khorne Chosen Knights. For the points they definitely have a use.I'll have to agree with the warriors, they're only good as an anvil, and even then you can get something similar out of sword n board marauders for less points.The chariot, too, is only really good as a character mount, particularly on wizards that benefit a lot from the extra wounds, toughness and 360° vision.
>>98770157>Warhounds aren't worth taking in TOWTheyre certainly worse than im used to, but theyre still the cheapest screens and deployment fodder we have. >done take chaos warriorsYep, garbage unit. But it feels wrong to play "chaos warriors" and not take chaos warriors. Once I build and paint some more chaos knights (and start running heralds of darkness) ill drop them>take 20Id need a new tray, but its an idea. Another idea is forsaken. >never take chaos chariotsFair. But I dont know what else to take with the 100~pts. Chaos spawn?
>>98770211Gloomspite (and basically every other AoS range that is good) is a direct continuation of the Fantasy aesthetic. The only good uniquely AoS aesthetic they've done (imo) has been the not! high elves that look Greco-Roman. All the other cool stuff (lizardmen, night gobbos,skaven) has been basically just Fantasy
>>98770680Lets not talk too much about AOS, but my last words on it. I think Deepkin are cool.
>>98770119I for one am happy he has kept quiet and stopped ruining everything he attempts to write on. Shameful to think he once proudly was a fa/tg/uy and considered himself one of us.
finished my orc double choppa boys, but now gotta go back and add rust to all my other boys which includes another 19 monopose double choppas, 19 arrer boyz, 28 spears, and 28 choppa and shield boyz. so basically, a lot of fuckin orcs.
>>98759169Suggest me color schemes for my beastmen.
>>98771133Jerk yourself off and whatever comes out first will be their skin color.
>>98771145blood red?
>>98771151Aye, if that’s what the fates have you brought on your wracked body.
>>98768412Like I said, dumb reasons.
>>98770119>>98770148>>98770173Sorry guys, but he hasn't vanished, they made him head of narrative, he's literally in charge of all fiction writing now. Why do you think we now have Troonstodes and DEI characters are appearing with more and more frequency?If you thought bow-wielding ladyknights was cringe strap the fuck in, he's gonna crash this IP with no survivors.
>>98771176Anon those are literally some of the most important things to consider when designing a model (read: game piece). Theres a reason RTS units/MOBA characters have very simple and exaggerated designs and silhouettes.
>>98771202Those are going to be some big changes.
>>98771145cOMES OUT OF MY DICK OR COMES OUT OF MY MIND?
>>98770183This isn't the Specialist games thread, faggot.
>>98768474Asavar is Sigmar's bastard child with Miao Ying.
>>98771133Whatever the inside of your bin looks like
>>98771853spent cum tissues?
Perryfaggot is actively posting shirtless pics over in /awg/
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>>98771212Characters were the same size as their faction's other infantry for 30 years of the game and we never had any fucking problems figuring out who was who. The reason RTS units and MOBA characters focus so much on making stuff stand out is A; they're on a fucking screen, B; that screen is usually half-hidden behind explosions and particle effects, and C; modern gamers are drooling fuckwitted little babby-minds who need six pointer icons, a voiceover, and a glowing fart trail to figure out they have to continue progressing forward along the completely fucking linear corridor in order to reach their next objective. Besides which, even if you did run into a situation where you were confused about something, bitch just fucking ask, your opponent is four feet away from you, not halfway around the world with locked-down chats because neither of you can be trusted not to throw a Gamer Words tantrum at each other if you were allowed to speak.Arbitrarily large characters are dumb and anyone who thinks they're a good idea is equally as dumb. That's you, dummy, I'm spelling it out because you're thicker than tar.
Are dark elves coming back? I love their basic line troops so much. I really hope they don't go the way of tomb kings on the rework (too many bits and details, I like basic infantry to be sleek)
>>98772804maybe but not any time soon, and by that I mean at least two years
>>98772806ooof, inshallah old world continues to get love
>>98772804even if dark elves returned they wouldn't get much, almost their entire model line was brought up to date in plastic at the end of 8th edmost they could get would be characters like malekith and morathi, a plastic kit for a dreadlord on foot and on steed, and plastic versions of the reaper bolt thrower and manticore
>>98772804no
>>98772827I like almost all the 8th ed models and would get them if they still made them. (I hope im not just blind but I cant find them anywhere)
>>98772804Possibly, though idk if they'd be inclined to bring a faction from the New World into TOW; unless they do the same thing with the HElves, and focus on their colonies & black arks.Also, if they do make a comeback, there's a chance that there would be a distinct lack of witch elves or any sort of Khainenite models (to seperate it from AoS' own faction).
>>98772866So instead of a new Morathi model, we'd possibly get a new Lokhir..
>>98772836They got removed from the webstore only a few months ago, after lingering in the cities of sigmar section for 10 years.I'm sure you can find some leftover stock in random online stores or the second hand market.Otherwise you have to make do with the khainite side of that range for the time being.I'd also suggest getting some recasts or third party models, the metal sorceress floating on an energy thingy, the 6th edition executioners, mengil manflayers, and lokhir, are stuff I'd definitely look for if I were to collect the army, and I'm sure you can find better third party versions of the official black dragon and hydra.
>>98767247oink-oink>>98767774>You are posting in a warhammer thread, even if you call it old world,ToW is pretty much dead so we don't have need to tolerate sigmarxists there anymore.
>>98773015You're overplaying your hand by trying to get 2 different groups of people at the same time, shitposter-kun. Apply yourself and try being more subtle next time.
>>98768025>Andy LawWhat an embarassing human being.
>>98773044oink-oink harder
>>98770953Nice green on em man. Keep us updated.
>>98772654>modern gamers are drooling fuckwitted little babby-minds who need six pointer icons, a voiceover, and a glowing fart trail to figure out they have to continue progressing forward along the completely fucking linear corridor in order to reach their next objective.Yea man, thats why warcraft had those giant fucking shoulderpads, because modern zoomers just have low attention spans.
>>98772654>Besides which, even if you did run into a situation where you were confused about something, bitch just fucking ask,"who needs visual readability, just have your opponent dictate what his morass of interchangeable featureless blobs are every time"Youre a fucking retard.
>>98771212>Theres a reason RTS units/MOBA characters have very simple and exaggerated designs and silhouettes.Boris, Tanya, Jarmen Kel, Colonel Barton and Black Lotus would like to have a word with you..>>98773118I think you would fit better in 40k or AoS with their fancy centerpiece action figures.
>>98772981Not finding any outside of ebay scalpers inshallah they are just repackaging them for old world.
Quick question, which pic would be better to upload on the wiki? Left is from the TOW website, and right from a 1994 foldable map that came with a WD magazine (can't remember the issue number).
>>98773165Left is more modern and likely to be relevant. But upload both.
>>98773165right one looks way better. Left one looks like something you'd make in 35min on one of those free mapmaking tools
>>98769998You can already see whatvlies agead with the Foot Knights. Ridiculously huge proportions, abysmally busy armor and women in the unit.
>>98773165any reason why you can't upload both?
>>98759169>what do you do for the slaaneshi one so it's similarly noteworthy?Thamurkhan represents one failed apocalypse, the one by gav thorpe we never got to see.Vorgaroth represents the second failed apocalypse, the transition from fantasy to aos, which was rightfully mocked and is getting reshaped even today.The tzeentch dude is part of a third failed apocalypse, the non-canon storyline from age of reckoning.The slaaneshi one would have to be catastrophic and the only thing coming close to that was the failed project to kill slaanesh, whose only slaaneshi result nowadays is the newborn, which birthed and/or split into synessa and dexcessa.
>>98773207>by Gav ThorpeAlan Bligh* actually.
>>98773214Was it? I remember an interview, and I may be wrong on whether that was thorpe or someone else but it definitely wasn't bligh.Maybe it was priestly?
>>98773207>failed apocalypse>actually transpired
>>98773250I am admittedly grasping at straws here, but it's hard to argue that the launch of aos was a success.
>>98773227Was it this interview?>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwl2QKEyFHgYeah, Priestly did work heavily in Tamurkhan, though Alan Bligh was also intrinsically involved in it.
>>98773279I think it was another one, he went on to detail some parts of the scrapped story like a nurgle thing turning the river reik into a tribute to india, and karl franz's successor on the throne being a chaos emperor that would make the setting more grimdark, can't find it.
>>98773190>why you can't upload both?Seems like a faux pas to upload 2 different versions of the same place, without great necessity. >>98773171>>98773174I can see both points... I essentially want a good illustration of the region, so I use it for multiple entries (like Uzkulak).
>>98769793Pic unrelated?
>>98773279Shame Bligh died so young, but he didn't seem to have a healthy lifestyle so his death from cancer doesn't seem unexpected
>>98773118I have to ask: did you have yourself lobotomised as some weird fetish thing, or were you born this fucking stupid?Merely having characters be the same size as the infantry they lead which they are SUPPOSED to all represent the same size people does not turn units into a "morass of interchangable featureless blobs" you disingenuous boy-buggering faggot. If you're too much of an autistic pussy to even speak to your opponent buy yourself a pair of glasses to improve your fucking moleman vision so you can see the models properly or something.
Newbie here. Are boxes like pic related viable for 6th/7th edition? I have no interest in TOW but I've got a bunch of army books and the two rule books for 6th/7th edition WHFB. From what I understand the base size increased in these new boxes but other than that this should be a decent buy, shouldn't it?
>>98773592yes, these models and units existed in basically all previous editions.
Post your dudes and their fluff you have for them.
>>98774115I love your beasts brother
>>98773377>Seems like a faux pas to upload 2 different versions of the same place, without great necessity.I dont think so. Simply include the left as the default, and the right as "original depiction from 1994 foldable map". No such thing as too much information (within reason).
>>98773542>Merely having characters be the same size as the infantry they lead which they are SUPPOSED to all represent the same size people does not turn units into a "morass of interchangable featureless blobs" you disingenuous boy-buggering faggot.I understand you are the product of a failed abortion, but having characters blend into a unit is exactly that. Which is why characters get more detail and are often slightly larger. Models have to be visually readable when on the tabletop, because as much as a nogame faggot like you may go on about "oh just ask whether the third guy from the left in that unit is actually a captain" a well made miniature game does not require that.
>>98770742Yeah he certainly went on a journey from opening mentioning 4chan in one of his books to pushing 'the message'.
>>98770680Even those High Elves are ruined by the odd cow aesthetic.
R8 my 650pt Wolves of the Sea battle march listExalted Sorcerer on steed, level 1, Daemonology and Ruby Ring of Ruin2 x 5 man marauder horsemen units, 1 with flails and Bloodied Hound, 1 with cavalry spears, throwing axes and Carrion Crow trait. Sorc would roll with flail squad.2 x 5 chaos warhounds, armoured hide, vanguard2 x 2 Skin Wolves w/JarlIs taking 4 skin wolves at 650 pts a dick move?
Decided that instead of picking between a chaos lord or chaos champion on demonic steed, im just going to run both.
>>98775527Daemonic mounts were already stupidly strong before what GW did to daemon princes, now they're the only way to make non-dragon chaos characters work.>inb4 but what about chariot sorcerers!No.
>>98775591Ive had some success with a chaos lord on chariot, but it really is just a poor mans dragon/manticore lord. >sorcerersrun them on a horse, theyre just there to buff some dudes anyways.
>>98775511Beautiful, those damsel sculpts are my favorite of all time
Dragon ogres?
>>98775725sorry, but no, it's too recognisable and too much of a sci-fi conceptat the very least you would have to replace its arms and head, but at that point you might as well start from something else instead
I look at the foot knights and something feels off but I can't quite articulate it. It's not that "new is bad", but something about their proportions or the bulky armor feels off, can anybody help me putting it into words, preferably objectively and not just rant about nu-GW?
>>98776088Bibs
>>98776088the pieces of the kit are designed separately from one another and meant to go with any other part, which means that gorgets are way larger than they would have to be if they wanted to look good (since helmets are also larger since they're fantasy helmets AND still have some heroic "proportions") and this neutrality of bits also means that the main bodies have an unnatural plastic stiffness that's not usually a problem for models who stand still in regimented units but is most visible here because the guys are sculpted striding forward and wearing cloths and leathersother than that it's the usual fantasy bullshit of thick as fuck trims and armor parts that are attached to clothes instead of following historical designs, but if you are into warhammer chances are you have already overlooked these things more than once already, so it's definitely the gorgets and stiff clothsit's not actually that much, by comparison with some other stuff gw has done these are almost innocuous, but as one of the few and first stuff tow got they were scrutinized a lotIf I were to have this kit I'd use the shields, swords and helmets on the knights of the realms on steeds and use the older shit bits for these dudes' bodies instead.
>>98774445Hmm... I'll think about it, and perhaps even wait for when the inevitable Kislev models & fluff comes out; and maybe even a map update for the TOW website.For now I'll just upload the WD one. >picrel did further editing to look as best as I could make it
You sure those are 650?I'm getting 545 in owb, you can still add some stuff.The ring of ruin is a bit too much for BM, even post nerf.Wolves are pretty good, but they can also be somewhat fragile. I'd swap the 2x2 to a single unit of 3, just to have a little more survivability. You can use the points you save from the ring + wolf to get a small unit of zerkers with flail and fortitude, their T5 is really good in BM, most things will wound them or 5s or 6s.Horsemen are great at covering ground fast, but aren't exactly great fighters, if you need more firepower, consider swapping them for Flail+Fortitude Huscarls, which aren't as agile but have really good offensive and defensive capabilities. Can't score, though.If you've got points leftover, a block of 10+ marauders (15+ ideally) with sword and board + fortitude will also make for a low cost anvil. They don't do much in combat but they'll hold the point.8/10, props for not including the gigantic spawn.
>>98760888Within the context of 40k it's le imperial cross of sigmar :)
>>98766883>chink is randomly larger than even the nu humans from aosthe absolute state
>>98773060Yep, it's kino.
>>98768379Won't happen. Cathay can't be portrayed as le bad.
>>98769525Chaos has plenty of true believers who think chaos is the morally superior option. Norsca breeds an entire culture of it. Read the Were of Fjirgard, the Norscans even revere chaos spawn, the spawn are kept in caves to keep them calm and the wives and family of them visit them where it's unclear if they know what's going on, but don't fight them. They see the gods as patron deities of the norse>"Then I pity you and all the world," said Haubr earnestly, "that of all the races of Men, the gods favour we Norse alone."
>>98776393628 pts so far, so there's room to move things around. ===Oops All Wolves [628 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Warriors of Chaos, Wolves of the Sea, Battle March===++ Characters [160 pts] ++Exalted Sorcerer [160 pts] - Hand weapon- Light armour- Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided]- Wizard [Level 1 Wizard]- General- Daemonic Mount- Ruby Ring of Ruin- Daemonology++ Core Units [274 pts] ++5 Marauder Horsemen [102 pts] - Hand weapons- Flails- Light armour- Shields- Chaotic Cult [Cult of the Bloodied Hound]- Ambushers- Formation [Open Order]- Marauder Horsemaster (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician- Unnatural Fortitude5 Marauder Horsemen [92 pts] - Hand weapons- Cavalry spears- Light armour- Shields- Throwing axes- Chaotic Cult [Cult of the Carrion Crow]- Formation [Open Order]- Marauder Horsemaster (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician- Longstriders5 Chaos Warhounds [40 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)- Armoured Hide (1)- Vanguard5 Chaos Warhounds [40 pts] - Claws and fangs (Hand weapons)- Armoured Hide (1)- Vanguard++ Special Units [194 pts] ++2 Skin Wolves [97 pts] - Hand weapons (Claws and fangs)- Skin Wolf Jarl (champion)2 Skin Wolves [97 pts] - Hand weapons (Claws and fangs)- Skin Wolf Jarl (champion)You'd say RRoR is unfun in BM? I just wanted to get some ranged options in the list but if the Ring is lame I'll just stick with the Daemology signature spell.Single unit of 3 skin wolves, good call.Will look into the marauders on foot, thanks anon.
>>98766883Why does the dark elf have big nigger lips?
>>98766707Perry manlet killed it
>>98768025These two "males" look like such disgusting loser chuds
>>98777448his facial muscles associated with the expression of disgust are hypertrophic
>>98777617What'd perry do?
See if you guys can help me. We're two friends playing our first TOW games and a couple of things came up yesterday>I shot with my sea guard against a unit of 5 undead wolves. Killed 4 out of 5. Do they take panic test? Since they're necromantic undead>a unit of zombies charged against the flank of swordmasters. Only a couple of swordmasters could attack the zombies since they were already fighting skeletons on their front. Swordmasters win the combat by 2. How many undead die? 2 skeletons and 2 zombies or 2 between skeletons and zombies?>Same situation, swordmasters end up killing the skeletons. Since the zombies don't flee, the swordmasters are stuck being attacked on their flank until they finish off the zombies right? If it was a different unit, the zombies could flee or give ground and the swordmasters could reform so that their front could fight against the zombies front
>>98777896This is complex in some areas due to combat bonuses but to answer:>Dire wolvesThey are undead so are immune to psychology. They keep going.>combat example 2 and 3Take a leadership test for both undead units and you see by how much they fail or succeed. If they roll high, more die/collapse. Check undead rules. Your last example, they must give ground if they lost at a minimum, giving you a chance to follow up.
>>98778062aaaah fuck I totally missed the 'give ground' thing on the unbreakable rule. The way I'm understanding it is they don't take leadership tests but automatically lose a number of models depending on how much they lost the combat by. So in example 2 do they still take a leadership test?
>>98773207>>98773227>>98773279>>98773314Is there some source which sum up what Priestley's own original storyline involved ? In this continuity Archaon didn't exist and played no role, right ?
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>>98777170Ah, I missed some of your upgrades, you didn't have as many points leftover.The ring is good, at times maybe too good for friendly games of BM and will probably result in an arms race where it'll become an auto include for most players around you.This list is closer to what I'd probably run.You could remove one Berserker regiment if you really want to go back to the 2x2 wolf units and sprinkle some toys on the rest of your guys. You could also swap both berserker units for a block of 15 marauders with shield and fortitude, it all depends on whether you prefer msu offensive potential or a defensive block with some combat res.I don't suggest full command at this level because you often don't really benefit from it, just take what you really need.Awoo squad [650 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Warriors of Chaos, Wolves of the Sea, Battle MarchExalted Sorcerer, Light armour, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided], Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], General, Chaos Steed, Favour of the Gods, Daemonology - 1115 Chaos Warhounds, Claws and fangs (Hand weapons), Vanguard - 355 Chaos Warhounds, Claws and fangs (Hand weapons) - 306 Marauder Tribe Berserkers, Flails, Light armour, Ambushers, Unnatural Fortitude - 726 Marauder Tribe Berserkers, Flails, Light armour, Ambushers, Unnatural Fortitude - 725 Marauder Horsemen, Flails, Light armour, Shields, Throwing axes, Chaotic Cult [None], Ambushers, Formation [Open Order], Unnatural Fortitude - 853 Skin Wolves, Hand weapons (Claws and fangs) - 1355 Marauder Tribe Huscarls, Flails, Light armour, Javelins, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Chaos Undivided], Unnatural Fortitude - 110
>>98778112Yes, regardless they give ground if they lose combat but how many they lose is based on the LD test.
