TITANICUS HAS BEE PLAYED editionPrevious thread: >>98733110>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/Qiwij4PJ>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: What kind of game do you want to play? Not the system but rather what custom mission, or general vibe, or theme, or style, or showdown, or terrain layout.
>>98759654>that OP picperfect angle for a Imperial Armor Forge World Horus Heresy era grainy photo edit with gunfire visual effects if the LGS store background can be removed and substituted with fire and smoke and clouds. Any graphic design autists here able to do this to a decent degree and give us the steps and program names? >hardmode: Don't use Photoshop, but instead GIMP, Krita or Affinity Photo
TITANICUS HAS BEEN PLAYED2.5k+warmaster for Mortis and ordo sinsister for me (henceforth the titans name shall be the PSI-dkick). Holy shit this was so cool. 4 turn game, overall tied thanks to secondary objectivesI don't feel like stacking the images so this is gonna eat in the image cap but I make all the threads anyway so Fuck you!
>>98759671The game was 3 warlords and a warbringer in an Extermigus maniple plus 2 reavers and the Psidkick, vs 1 reaver and 2 hounds in a ferrox, 1 warlord, 1 warbringer, 1 reaver, and 1 warhound in a preceptor plus 1 dire wolf and 1 warmaster.Xestobiax quickly shoots itself in the foot stacking too many titans on top of each other while Mortis spreads out, however the Iron Vigil had to avoid the Ordo Sinister's proximity lest it have to start rolling 3+ on its command rolls like some kind of fucking PLEB.I'm gonna stack images anyway or else this is gonna take thirty minutes and holy shit I am hungry.
>TQI want a dramatic rescue/relief mission. Just spit balling but say you take 500 points of allies which are all you deploy up to half the table and have a penalty to shot first turn due to smoke/fog of war. The you have 1750 of your main force that comes in. The idea is allies take casualties before you can really rescue them, hence being over limit slightly. Then yo score points if they retreat off your board or survive the battle. I really like asymmetrical missions.
>>98759686Turn 1 the Psi-dkick makes an impression by GUTTING the Harvester of Sorrow with a single shot from the Sinsligma Temgmeon, giving it a reactor leak that would eventually kill it. The Psi-dkick would, thanks to the building it was hiding behind, absorb and inordinate amount of firepower. I'd judged its value as to that of the Warmaster and I think it's a pretty decent comparison. I'd actually call it better.
>>98759709Barnum Brown runs a firing line, the reavers set up, and Lazerbeak overextends and loses its shields.
>>98759714I would lament not destroying buildings like I'd intended turn 1. The Pale King was hampered all game and I had to make some risky advances to ensure some kills.
>>98759722Turn 2 was some happensauce. Stipes gets an ENGINE KILL only to be killed by the warmaster. Bossman bodyblocked Lazerbeak falsely thinking it would be targetted. The Psi-dkick would lose its shields that it would never reignite, but it would also hobble two opposing titans with its bullshit tempest attack.
>>98759746Turn 3 would be defined by EVERY Xestobiax titan firing on the warmaster, while the Psi-dkick dealt with its opposition as best it could. The reaver from before died to a reactor overload. It would overextend itself in and finally be felled, acting as bait to force Legio Mortis units into unflattering positions which was totally intentional shut up
>>98759770Turn 4 was set by the OP pic with Bossman scoring the kill (finally holy SHIT it was down to the wire) on the warmaster. The Pale King redeemed its failures by killing a warhound in a single salvo, and nobody else died. It could have gone onto a very interesting turn 5 but it was a bit late and I was tired so we called it. An even score thanks to Mortis's good placement and superior numbers. What an awesome fucking match. What fun.Play Titanicus.
>>98759787Cool stuff. How does fighting a Warmaster feel? I'm low key mad they added it. I wish scale capped at Warlord and we got maybe more freaky titans likes dires and Warbringer.
Gun to your head, Lucius or Mars patterning?I'm really itchy by the way
>>98760008Lucius every time
>>98759688How does your opponent score?
>>98759976I threw five titans at it and it still took 2 turns but 2 of those titans were out of line of sight and could only toss barrage missiles but also I had sine externiugs maniiple rules which helped.They're tough but they only become super powerful within 16"
>>98760021Maybe just kill points, bonus for the allies. In a ratio that allows the rescuing player to sacrifice non allied units meaningfully without throwing. What that ratio is I don't know.
My heart says to make an LI dark mechanicum army based around a mix of modern models and loads of chaos android stands but my brain says no
I hope mk7 gets scale creeped.
Legion resin shoulder pads or transfers, which one did you go for?
Besides Thallax and Headhunters, what are some units where the entire squad can take melta bombs?
>>98760143Why not? It's not like you can't run them as thralls in LI and chaos androids in the other editions. I have some big ones and plan to add some normal sized ones to mine.
spent another few hours filling gaps and sculpting an ankle (the previous owner did not tell me the entire lower leg was just missing)
>>98760948Did you get sold a recast as a genuine product?
>>98760972no, I got it as a recast for 35 bucks but was told it was completethere were a few random greebles missing (the tassets on the head, some skulls, and the entire middle of the staff) but when I stripped it, whatever material the last guy used to fashion the leg basically disintegratedit's on me for not checking more closely
>>98761000Oh okay, got worried you got ripped off big time. Looking good after your fixes though.
>>98759787I dearly miss playing titanicus, sadly no one near me plays. Good to see your titans and report.
on the topic of titans, are there any chads in here willing to share an stl for the lucius pattern warhound for titanicus?
>>98760948That bird is quite the project, impressive reconstructive sculpting anon
>Not been able to post for ages due to ip range blocksSucks not being able to contribute to model posting.
>>98761563Sadly. I only know of the really shitty filament printing one one that's on cults3d.On that note I'll have to wait until after pic related to print my test plate of some Epic Armageddon Salamanders and Medusas/Bombards plus some 90s chaos stands.
>>98760616Legion specific units mostly>DA companions>DG death shroud>AL effrit>IF templar brethren>BA dawnbreakersare the ones I know of.
>>98761688There's also>SW Deathsworn>IF Phalanx Warders>Salamanders Sanctifiers and PyroclastsI don't think any generic Legion unit has it anymore
Question for the thread, which legion is easiest to play as mindlessly charging into melee?
>>98761688:O by restricting them, it becomes a legion specific >>98761742>I don't think any generic Legion unit has it anymoreI wouldn't mind destroyers having them. We had it all...
>>98761791World Eaters get +1 attack on the charge, disordered or not.
>>98761791Ultramarines
>>98761828Care to elaborate? I'd like to know why>>98761826I see, I remember last edition SW were the braindead easiest to mass melee charge with (as far as I was told) but I haven't looked at 3rd at all.
>>98759671>>98759686>>98759709>>98759722>>98759746>>98759746>>98759770>>98759787BASED BASED BASEDI REPEATBASED BASED BASED>>98761205THE RETURN OF THE KINGshow us that Warbreaker King
>>98760008Mars baybee
>>98759671> Metric shit ton of terrain> Psy Titan can still get a line across the entire boardJUST
>>98760433Both because vehicles and dreads needed transfers. Command got fancier transfers.
>>98759976NTA but it's fine. It takes a lot of punishment but it's exactly hard for it to deal it back out. The cost spent on a warmaster is always better spent on more Warlords. In that respect the designer showed some restraint.
>>98761875Sure, here you go.
>>98762180Whoops that was a warlock, not a warbreaker. Never got round to taking a pic of this thing against a white backdrop.
>>98761638Nice work
>XenosGet the flamer, the heavy flamer
>>98761836It's just fun to imagine, so here it goes:Ultramarines are often "thought of" (flanderised as) being centered around a core of strict tennets that eventually got formalized as the codex astartes. But remember unlike other legions, most UM Chapters aren't from Macragge; they recruit from all of Ultramar. And Ultramar borders Nuceria.Reminder Guilliman surprised the Osirean xenos (and later killed Alpharius allegedly) by with a full force frontal assault. Like the Nemesis Destroyer Chapter, there can very well be a chapter specialized for direct assaults.To a hammer, the entire galaxy is made of nails. It's not so much about being mindless, but about hammering regardless. That's what the Warborn are all about.
>>98762195Based>>98762180Sheit where do you find these files? I have been looking for them forever. Excellent work as always man. They look amazing
is anyone curious about the journal entries ? gauging the interest to see if i should sneak pics of it tomorrow
>>98763188There's a Custodes vs Tzeentch one. The Slaanesh one, who are the daemons fighting there? Blood Angels?
>>98763407Troonstodes again.
>>98761638are those two contemptor multimeltas?
>>98763407Dedicated anti-daemon faction - Brothers of Bling
>>98759688at 2250 i doubt there's much 500 points of anything that could stop you getting tabled before the main force arrives
>>98759688RETVRN to tradition yovng man The. Epic 40,000 Battle Book specificallyThe main difference is to have the lone formation occupying a stout redoubt of favourable terrain. I love hidden deployment tokens they are beloved but I don't think they would work well in this scenario.
>>98763797Hence the penalty to hit first turn. Maybe only on 6s, blasts always scatter. I see it as fog or smoke and the attackers are just saturating the allied position with fire. Also the opponent would be at 2k is what I meant. So 2k vs 500 that can't be hit well first turn then 1750 of main force trying to show up.I don't think it can be perfect but that's not the point. >>98763954That's pretty cool
>>98763797>500 points of anything that could stop you getting tabledThralls :^)Yeah no it sucks, and that's the reason why nobody used Coils of the Hydra in 2.0; it was a viable rite in 1.0
How strict do people list build for imperialis? I want to add the fast attack box but I cannot legally fit the contents in any formation without buy yet more boxes of other things. Having 2 vangaurd in a demi instead of 1 fixes it perfectly.
>>98764098take the formation designed for this box
Can anyone link me some good terrain that I can order from somebody not have to print?
>>98764107Sky Hunter? Can't, it has regular bikes in the box.
I usually don't like this kind of thing. Modernising old epic Daemon engines because so many are too cartoonish for that too work. The original Cannon of Khorne looks like it was made by the chaos lord Mehmet Angronoğlu to break down the walls of Constantinople Hive (and I love it) Only I find this version rad as hell in the exact way that made my child self fall in love with the World Eaters in 2005. I can do something with it.
>>98763446Yes, from that ancient plastic contemptor from the B@C box.
>>98764161And it has too many jet bikes for 1 box. Limp is designed to make you buy excess boxes to field formations as is outside the starter box.
How many TEQ is too many TEQ? I've been considering a list with 27 models in Terminator or Artificer armour (plus 2x 10-model Tactical/Inductii squads, a 5-model Seeker squad, a Land Raider Carrier, an autocannon turret/volkite sponson Sicaran, a couple Rhinos, and a Land Speeder).
>>98764669Shouldn't be an issue. Unless your opponent brought a real limp dick army or something, in which case anything is gonna steam roll over it anyway.
>>98763188I am curious to see if the Slaanesh daemon rules are gonna be as competent as the Tzeentch ones. But gonna order the journal either way, and know how to wait. >>98763436The Khorne daemons journal better has them fight against BA. But if it comes with a new, full SoS armylist instead I would be able to forgive them.
>>98763407>>98764766not worth risking my job over it, got it
>>98764857Never, don't risk your livelihood for us retards frequenting a Mongolian throat singing board.
>>98764871>raugh
Did this design already exist or did GW steal it from redmakers?
>>98764198FW used to sell that Chaos Dwarf (?) cannon and I always thought it'd make a rad CSM Vindicator conversion>>98764008but why would there be a penalty to hit the guys you assume already got hit pretty badmechanically that penalty to hit is going to favor lists that already have high T/high AV, good armour/invul/shrouded etc>>98764056plus if you could find something that'd stop you getting tabled it's an extremely abusable scenario
>>98765293>did sicarian legs existdo you understand that 40k skitarii are the starved remnants of 30k greatness
>>98765325>why would there be a penalty to hit the guys you assume already got hit pretty badThe idea is the battlefield is littered with corpses, wreckage, and smoke. The rescuing army knows the location of the survivors but the enemy force is basically just laying down fire almost blindly trying to mop up. Turns are only seconds real time. So turn one is the crazy aftermath of the allies getting beat; infantry hunkering down in burned out buildings amongst the corpses hanging out windows and scattered, any vehicles are ghosts in the smoke amongst wreckage. The game unfolds as it becomes clear where the survivors are as reinforcements arrive. So instead of any checks to see if they're aiming at real targets or hard distance visibility the idea is they're blasting everything and the 6s to hit are lucky hits. You can assume the 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s "hit" a corpse or was a speculative shot through smoke or into shadows.This 6x4 area is just a snap shot of a larger battle where the daring rescue is happening. The 2k points of enemy forces are the first wave to just barely arrive in this zone so they don't know the exact location of the individual soldiers of the allies.
>>98763954>I love hidden deployment tokens they are beloved but I don't think they would work well in this scenario.I made a mission based on my deep love for hidden deployment and gives my answer to the TQ. This is for LI but it would work with any version of Epic and maybe HH(?). Its an urban combat mission but more MOUT Hamlet than a basic LShapedRuingrad. The urban area takes up about 1/3 to 1/2 of the table, closer to 1 short table edge than another. the urban terrain should be dense enough to prevent unimpeded LOS inside with walls or other obscuring terrain on the edges to block LOS from outside the town looking in. The defending force deploys fully hidden with a healthy amount of decoy tokens>Infantry starts garrisoning structures or in ruins.>Vanguard, Bastions and Light Armour deploy anywhere within the town and outside attacker LOS.>Tanks and artillery deploy in town, out of LOS etc. They use a modified hidden token with a pre-chosen the direction they will face when the unit is revealed. They deploy "hull down" surrounded by a snug revetment that gives them a cover save but they have to reverse their entire length out of it to move freely ( a paper cut out works fine to represent the revetment). The idea being they are meant to be placed strategically at command good lines of fire and stall enemies>No titans or super-heaviesA much larger attacking force deploys normally in an area projecting out from the short table edge opposite the town to within around 12-6" from the edge of the town. They have no unit restrictions. The objective is for the attackers to clear the town block by block with the town being divided into sections for calculating points and a point is given to attackers for every section cleared and opposite to defenders.>>98764098I wouldn't mind but generally its like GW wargame players' diverse opinions on any house rules.
>>98765429An alternative objective would be to place the town directly in the center of the map (preferably making it more square shaped than rectangular) with the attackers deploying all around it. The objective being that the defenders gain points for every unit that either survives the full rounds or makes it to a table edge. Attackers gain points for killing them.I don't vibe the same way with making HH misisons but if you were adapting it then things should more closely follow cityfight. You should make the city a heavily ruined city with places to hunker down (no garrisonable, destructable structures) and unlike epic scale you can put a lot more focus on rooftops and vertical terrain like in the OG OG Battlezone: Cityfight. Walkways between buildings and clearing buildings top floor down would be lit.
>>98765377Players are so starved for actual Rites of War that they are dreaming them back againOld 30k tax was too evident and out of place, but rites of war were the real deal, not these traits that are masquerading as such
>>98764198reminds me of Kharn's pistol in 40k.
>>98764346Do you proxy it as a melta lance?
>>98765748Obviously lol, what else would it be for? Kind of an odd question.
>>98761791Laniaskara
Getting into HH3.0 with a local group and probably going Death Guard. What are some good units that get the most out the their legion rules? Already planning to do 20-man tactical squad blobs.
>>98765843Ummm BASED
>>98765933Anything wielding weapons with the heavy rule that isn't a vehicle. Really like the DG trait on rapiers, those get a lot out of it.
>>98765838Replies like this is why DA have such a bad rep btw.
>>98766041It thought it was because of the whole being gay thing.
Why no volkite sicaran? I’ve always found weird that the anti mass infantry version uses a punisher cannon compared to most other 30k stuff.
>>98766324Because FW hasn't made one. The reason is really that simple.In-universe the lack of volkite turret for sicaran can easily be explained by volkite being barely understood technology, and being somewhat jealously guarded by the Mechanicum. The sicaran was also a completely new tank, not build using a single STC, so even fitting existing heavy volkite weaponry on it could easily run into a lot of issues. Besides dogmatic magos probably having qualms about it. Also, most anti-infantry 30k stuff has bolter, flamer or auto weapons, or some form of missile system.
>>98766347I always felt that the Sicaran was the perfect chassis for mounting various goofy guns on, like the whole "putting Dread weapons on tanks" post the other day
>>98765328>40k mech are so fucking retarded because GW were too autistic and stubborn to get anywhere near the 30k designsdamn
>>98764198never forget what they took from us. Because it wasn't just Diaznetts.
>>98766790these are shit actually
>>98766857Sir those are great, space marines of the chaos side should be Wierd to the core, they should not be "let me add trims and a spike on each nipple". Khorn demonic engines are exactly that. A gigantic scorpion, a tower which is actualy a grinder and a set of gears that wind up the front "scissors". A gigantic demonic pot of gore and grit. That is what demon engins should be. not I put a penis shaped helmet on the tank commander.
>>98766059Both.
>>98766642Procedure is usually the other way around, dreadnoughts have weapons mounted on them usually found on tanks to bring heavy firepower to constraint battlefields like boarding actions and zone mortalis.
>>98766880Im sorry but no. THose are all looney toons levels of gay looking. Theres plenty of things from the ol,d days that are better off left in the dust, and most of those "vehicles" are it. Also, if slanesh cant have the penis helmets, then no, khorne cant have the gay piles of skulls on wheels that look more at home in modern day fantasy than they ever would in 30/40k.
>>98767164You have no whimsy.
>>98767157Sure, but I like the way Dreadnought weapons look and want my tanks to have them. :)
>>98767226There really should be sponson mounted plasma cannons for sicarans and predators in 30k.
>>98766857Bad taste>>98766880Correct taste. That was the vibe then and it was great. Modern grimwank trying to be too edgy is cringe a lot of the times.
>>98766681But what if Timmy got confused and bought OLD PRODUCT instead of NEW PRODUCT. Think of the share holders, they need to see NEW PRODUCT sell!
Who wants leaks of the new slaanesh vs custards book?
>>98767701>Bad tasteIf it makes you feel better I think the FW brass scorpion is cool and perhaps they could have salvaged the rest as well.
>>98767712Genuinely no one cares
>>98767723I only have the custodes stuff and the fact that you can now malefic any traitor praetor (rejoice WB!) so thats a good call.
>>98767712Me>>98767723I care>>98767728Being able to malefic traitor praetors is already incredible good news
>>98767701>>98766880SOME of those are cool and could totally be made to work. The doom blaster for example is basically already "fine as is", just imagine a muych bigger one with a more modern aesthetic and it looks cool no? The death dealer also clearly got reincarnated as the lord of skulls. Many of them do just look bad. Its not even "theyre weird", this isnt an issue of impractical designs or whatever (its chaos, who gives a shit), its an issue of "these all look the same and are just cartoony". A part of that is that theyre epic models made with old technology, so theres limited space and you need to have the models have really emphasized featuresTheres a line between "this is an otherworldly nightmare engine unbeholden to the rules of science (as much as 40k has those)" and "this is a fischer price toy", and thats a line the tower of skulls fails at.
>>98767728What is a "malefic traitor praetor"? The only prime High Command I've seen is on the Daemon Fulgrim detachment. WS7 Praetor ayoo
>>98767742Yup, its nice. Especially since the tzeench demon rules basically state that malefic units can cross-faction join without any penalty (the rules for wrong dominion demons are a "specific" exception to the rule that malefic shit ignores mental modifiers). Put that malefic praetor in with some demon brutes, why not? >>98767756Yup. But now you can simply pay points to make your praetor (of any kind) malefic. So good news, WB can now stick a praetor in with their phraetus anointed or whatever.
>>98767761Oh lmao. bike praetors dont get it. Guess since theyre a legacy option? Kinda silly.
>>98767761And heres the custodes stuff. None of it is that interesting. They get a new banner dude who has an extra 2" range on that banner that makes people test to score, a new shitty gun on their jetbikes (+20pts for a S8 Ap2 D2 armorbane shot or 3 s5 ap3 d1 shots) and a fairly cool jetpack dude shield captain, he has Bs7 with two pistols, but can swap one for that sword champion sword.
>>98767778
>>98767785Seriously, the blaze cannon is a piece of shit. Why would you ever take this over the alternatives? At least GW didnt give in to power creep, theyve been pretty good about that with HH this edition actually, none of the new units ever really feel like "oh you NEED to take this or youre fucked! Buy the new book for the new hotness!"
>>98765843Based>>98762471>And Ultramar borders Nuceria.Huh... right... Either way good sum up, that's pretty cool
>>98761791Easiest? In 3e its white scars because theyre simply the fastest. Or I guess RG since they avoid dying to shooting as much on the way in. Who does it best? Probably WE, they can do some FILTHY things with mass turn 1 charges thanks to angron, and hereticus lets them stick around in the fight no matter what.
>>98767813Good to know, thanks
>>98767764Riding a bike makes a praetor too cool to be 100% heretical. Because they're already a 100% radical.
>>98767866>the reason the khan stayed loyal
>>98767797Wait, this guy doesent even have the vexilia himself? Its literally 80pts for a normal custodian with worse vanguard to give a UNIT with a vexilia (comes at the cost of a guys weapon btw) +2" range? You spoil them GW.
>>98767761Is Malefic type all that good? Instead of suffering statuses they suffer AP2 wounds. Like, just attach an HQ and suffer neither?
>>9876797980 points for another auxilery detatchment.It's a Custodes Optae. Not realy taken for the model, but to cheaply unlock more units.
>>98768006>Is Malefic type all that good?Yes. >Instead of suffering statuses they suffer AP2 woundsThats usually a good exchange. Its better to take d3 wounds than have a unit rendered useless. Their immunity to negative modifiers also means they dont actually fail tests that often. They ignore fear and the modifiers that come with status weaponry.
Are drop pods any worth it in 3rd?
>>98768221Yes. Theyre the cheapest way to give a non-bulky unit DS.
>>98759654>TQ: What kind of game do you want to play? Not the system but rather what custom mission, or general vibe, or theme, or style, or showdown, or terrain layout.I've only played a couple of games of Heresy so far. Most of it has been 1k games to try to get more people in LGS into it. With my friends, usually it's chill and try to add some flavor while we're playing. Like my buddy's Space Wolf praetor hates my Sons of Horus Praetor while his never crosses his mind.
>>98768342Those drill things are also there. Hades? Terrax?Big hurt that there's only one Deepstrike per turn. 2.0 really traumatized people.
>>98768563Why they didn't just go back to a 1.0 lite I'll never understand. Why 2.0 DS was even greenlit ill never understand.
>>98768563>Those drill things are also thereTermite. And yes, they exist (I have one). but theyre more expensive. A drill is - objectively - better, it simply does more, it comes with guns (not bad ones either) and works as a transport once you arrive, but there are times you dont need that, you just need to put a unit somewhere as cheaply as possible, and thats where a drop pod comes in. >>98768563>Big hurt that there's only one Deepstrike per turn.I agree. I actually rather like the DS rules "individually" but the 1/turn thing really annoys me, it makes DS super competetive against itself, youre thinking "this unit is cool, but I already have a deep strike!" and thats just no fun. Either have it scale with game size (1/1k pts?) or have some detachments that can drop in together. So say a double drop pod detachment thats lets you have all of them come in at once.
>>98766880>>98767701i was there when this shit was released and no, not cool, that and squats being every variety of gay airship and gunslab were a big part of why Epic kept failingif they'd got the gyrocopter in 40k too? sold, biggest faction of all time, never buy anything else ever againunfortunately it would have been all-metal and the size of a modern Stormbird because of those big-ass fans
>>98768638I can support the concept of everyone arriving together in single wave, though now it'd rework it as a Master of Descent or Warmonger's ability of making up to half your stuff arrive when he arrives.And the rest gets to roll as normal, but they get to roll, unlike now where nobody rolls after the first Deepstrike.It was also cool that many forms of arrivals also caused a Pinning test. Puts the Shock in Shock Assault.But it was so wrong that they weren't restricted to bunch up like 7E did, which allowed conga lines.We could easily survive Deepstrike melee if they scattered and had to bunch up.
>>98768658First time I've heard of epic failing during that era, if anything I've heard it even outsold 40k.
>>98768654The old drop pod assault rule was half of them arrived first then, then the rest rolled as normal, right? That sounds alright.
>>98767979half the cost of a Shield Captain to increase the range of the "your line has no power here" spell? cheap at twice the price>>98767785the volley cannon? because it's better than the bolt cannon at clearing off mooks, because it's got twice the anti-armor range of the las-pulser (so the extra damage happens over more time instead of gambling big on the glass cannon), because you only want adrathic devastators for killing ogryns, robots and character blobs and maybe satties
>>98768723>because it's better than the bolt cannon at clearing off mooksNot 20pts better. Its shorter range, lower S and D1. Yes, it probably does a bit better into tacticals, but you are paying 20 pts for that thing in an already expensive army and unit. >because it's got twice the anti-armor range of the las-pulseWhich doesent matter because youre a melee oriented jetbike unit. And S8 sucks for getting through armor even WITH armorbane. Even if you assume the volley cannon fires twice as much. it does less to vehicles, even the low AV ones where its S8 isnt entirely useless. And this is WITHOUT armor breaker factored in (and once again, its more points than the las pulsar).
>>98768723>half the cost of a Shield Captain to increase the range of the "your line has no power here" spell?Yes, a command slot and 80pts to slightly buff the power of a not very strong ability (custodes dont have fear and most units in the game are ld8+ and therefore pass the vexilia test most of the time). It would be at least tolerable if he himself came with the thing, but he doesent, you need to add dead weight to a custodian unit to even get any benefit out of him.
>>98768748>custodes dont have fearSoS should do that baka
>>98768763No one uses sisters.
>>98768743>S8 sucks for getting through armor even WITH armorbaneThey gotta give S9 meltabombs a reason to existhttps://youtu.be/RLs6zZVHWVM?si=Py9m5W2WiF-krn4O
>>98768782Or, on the jetbikes, that fuckass spear with S10 D4 armorbane (if memory serves). But thats my point, the weapon just has no reason to exist, its not good enough to serve as a long range threat (on a unit that wants to do melee stuff), it doesent do enough up close to compete with alternatives, and its the most expensive weapon option they have.
>>98768748It's 80pts for a new detachmentIt solves the biggest problem of Custodes list building, which was the fact that you had to pay 165pts for each auxiliary detachment after the 2 you get from PrefectMarines get a 50pt Optae that has no saves but a 3+ and has to pay 15pts for a thunder hammer to be useful, the proconsul is 85pts for 2+/5++ and a AP2 weapon at initiativeI don't know about you, I'd gladly take the Hykanatoi proconsul even if he was just a beatstick
>>98768790>Marines get a 50pt Optae that has no saves but a 3+ and has to pay 15pts for a thunder hammer to be usefulAnd no one takes optae unless theyre UM. You take a centurion or consul.
>>98768795Fist can give them vigil shields
>>98759654>TQI fucking LOVE Attacker and defender missions. My personal favorite are games outta the planatary assault and or custom games were the objective for the defender is to hold out for x amount of turns, while the attacker is to either go for kill points or a specific objective, with some units able to be renforced. Example beingDefender gets access to terrain/fortifications, if the attack can destroy that objective, it lets them bring on another heavy unit or respawn one of their destroyed units.
>>98768885Planetary Assault was so based. We really like the one that had a bunch of forts in the center and it was an all out assault on it.
>>98768820I havent seen any fists take them regardless, theyre just so niche in what they are and offer. Kitting them out ends up at a unit only slightly cheaper than a centurion or consul but worse at combat (and much more fragile).
>>98768795>>98769465That's because marines have centurions and consuls. Shield captains can only get officer of the line as a prime advantage, so every shield captain past the first is an optae with a massive uncharge anyway.
>>98769497My counterarguments are: "shield captains are actually praetors", not optae (looking at the combat capabilities) and "custodes arent that detachment hungry anyways" (theyre an extremely elite force that just flat out CANT run that many units with super stacked special aux detachments full of prime slots ready for logistical benefit splashing)
>>98769205Its hands down one of the best supplements GW ever made.
>>98768342Ok thanks, was thinking of using them for some plasma TSS or something
>>98770016Thats basically the ideal unit for them. Well, the actual ideal unit for them is probably the dark angels interemptors with their plasma flamers, but TSS (whether plasma or melta) are another great unit for it. Gets them where they need to be as cheaply as possible (lets pts than the rhino) and the unit gets to do its super high impact high damage thing without caring about charging restrictions.
>>98768795>And no one takes optaeVery much so. Pay +30 pts to unlock twice as many detachments, +1WS, +1Ini, 2+ save and other stuff that I take for granted.It is so very difficult to justify Optaes beyond fluff reasons (why would sn army have two captains instead of a captain and two lieutenants)
>>98770579I think optae exist as a budget option. For when you REALLY need that extra detachment but dont want to spend the extra points for a centurion. But they could have been like 40 pts imo and been fine. >why would sn army have two captains instead of a captain and two lieutenantsIsnt the praetor the captain?
>>98770579>It is so very difficult to justify Optaes beyond fluff reasons (why would sn army have two captains instead of a captain and two lieutenants)And even then, it makes more fluff sense for it to be a captain and two of his advisors or specialists (consuls) like a librarian and chaplain, or siege breaker and warmonger. Would make more sense in zone mortalis, if everyone wasn't just bringing a praetor and 20 legion elites anyway...
>>98770626Zm, as currently set up, kind of encourages "praetor and retinue". The new detachments are designed to make it easier. Plus the reaction is worth more when you have less of them base (due to lower pts limit).
>>98770624No praetors are lorewise above even chapter masters, commanding multiple chapters, but mechanically are the chapter master equivalent. Technically the delegatus would be the true chapter master, but I'm the only one in my playgroup who plays narratively enough that I always run my praetor's scheming visier-like koryphaus as a delegatus and rarely run my Praetor directly
>>98770637>that I always run my praetor's scheming visier-like koryphausI havent read the WB omnibus in some time, but isnt the Koryphaus the military leader in the WB hierarchy vs the more spiritual leadership of the chaplaincy/later dark apostles?
>>98770637>always run my praetor's scheming visier-like koryphaus as a delegatusBy his word
>>98770626>And even then, it makes more fluff sense for it to be a captain and two of his advisors or specialists (consuls)Isn't it weird that the advisors (consuls) are more expensive than the Centurion they advise?
>>98770645Yes, exactly, the lord chaplain of my force is my centurion, the leader of the standard troops and siege equipment, the koryphaus is the warleader handing out elites and expert material from his own personal guard while secretly planning for a hostile takeover. I've set up my forces to be split between "the chosen", elite forces like veterans and command squads led by the praetor, "the faithful", all the Corrupted and demonic units like gal vorbak, anointed, and malefic troops led by the delegatus, "the fervent", all the terminators and destroyers led by the chaplain/centurion, and then "the laity", the common pool of troops, heavy weapons, and tanks everyone draws from
>>98770676>and demonic units like gal vorbak, anointed, and malefic troops led by the delegatus,Should it not be the other way round? The malefic dudes led by the whacko dark apostle, and the hardened normal veterans led by the koryphaeus?
>>98770676>Chosen elites, faithful possessed, fervent shock troops and laity commonersNo, it's holy possessed, acolyte elites, sacristan shock troops and faithful commoners. Your faith is wrong, have at thee!Huehuehue it's so easy and fun to justify Traitors vs Traitors. Loyalists vs Loyalists need so many excuses!
>>98770676I have something a bit similar. The terminator forces are an atramentar atache under the command of the (atramentar prime) centurion, send to assist my praetor (but really to make sure hes staying in line, as his unorthodox methods have raised concerns). He has a rivalry with my praetors right hand man/champion (not literally a legion champion, just "chosen warrior"), who is normally a paragon of battle (but cant be when the atramentar centurion is around) and who leads the common mobs into battle more often than not.
>>98770637>No praetors are lorewise above even chapter mastersI dunno, man. Unless they've radically changed stuff.
>>98770666>modeled and fluffed one of my consuls as an AL infiltratorI guess treachery runs through all the legions.
>>98770739Eh he probably means bigger than chapter masters because chapters themselves are bigger than 1000 sometimes. Though I hadn't heard Praetors commanding multiple different chapters; I thought each chapter had their Praetor equivalent
Are emperors children the least popular of the
>>98771153It's lonely at the top, bruh. Or the bottoms have fun, I don't remember how the saying goes lolEmperor's Children don't exist unless they charge or they have lots of Land Raiders. Trait is essentially Impact (I)
>>98771210Thats also true for WE, SW, BA and SOH. And out of all those Impact(I) is maybe one of the better ones. Also EC have the utterly busted hereticus rite.
>>98771264>Also EC have the utterly busted hereticus rite.NTA why would you say it's busted? I never bothered looking at it
>>98771439Any unit shot at can just choose to get 6+ feel no pain, ignore all status effects, and gains +1 strength. Until they pass a cool test in the end phase. Oh and the unit can't use reactions, after using an ability giving more benefits than most reactions, for free, boo hoo.
>>98771480Good to know, thanks!
>>98768795No one takes Optae because you can take as many Centurions as you want, yes. Do you think that would change if every detachment could only take 1 Centurion?>>98769535Have you considered that it may be desirable to make Prefect not an automatic choice?Also 2 Hykanatoi proconsuls actually cost less than a Shield Captain
>>98771480They should roll a D6 and on a 1 they take a wound from drug overdose.
>>98771519>Do you think that would change if every detachment could only take 1 Centurion?That's actually a good idea. Not only that, but it'd give me a reason to take that Extra HQ Apex detachment
>>98771777Something like that. Right now the EC hereticus trait feels a bit like it provides a ton of benefits for little to no drawback.
>>98771813>>98771480I feel very silly that I wouldn't take Stupefy because it sounds like an insult, that my units are stupid. And they sort of are, but it hurts my ego; I'm a method player :^)If it was Battle Bliss or something, I wouldn't mind lmao
>>98771925If bimbofication of marines isn't your fetish you shouldn't be playing EC.
>>98772072Himbo not bimbo. You will never be a real woman.
>>98772098Sorry my gooner lexicon is not that advanced, wasn't aware there's gendered terminology in place
>>98772098I don't think concepts like "gender" matter to the EC, those fuckers put pussies on the end of their dicks
Finished my second Headhunter squad, next time it might be my Javelin or the third squad,
>>98772545Nice work anon. Headhunters are so much fun to play, even though they're quite the glass cannon unit.
>>98772549Thanks anon. I will be playing a game of ZM later this year, I want to use them there. Any tips?
>>98772579Plan ahead for when they're gonna round a corner or open a doorway to blast a juicy target. There's a surprising amount of depth to manoeuvring through corridors and when to open doors in ZM.
>>98772131It's basic internet lingo, not worries tho. >>98772323Yes it does, space marines are male only.
>>98772549Why are there three hydra heads? Not two?
>>98772630obviously one of them got cut off already this too is a lie
>>98771439Its basically flat out status immunity bundled with a FNP and combat steroid. Its really good. Theres some technical downsides to it, but they basically dont exist on a melee oriented list (stupefied turns off reactions, but who cares - you can both react BEFORE you do it and most infantry cant really react anything past the movement phase anyways, its just reposition or return fire).
>>98771519I already only take one centurion most of the time. Detachments are simply not THAT premium, you dont need like 6 of them unless youre doing really mix and match stuff (or running lots of non-contemptor dreads)
>>98772625I mean they're all devoted to the literal gender-bender god, so some weird kind of doubling down and going "Nuh-uh" is just strange from you.
>>98772625>space marines are male onlyAre you sure about that
>>98773144Yes?
>>98773114>you dont need like 6 of them unless youre doing really mix and match stuffYou do need 3 of them most of the time unless you're spamming the same two unit types again and again.Like how do you get 2 grave wardens, 2 LR Explorator, 1 Deathshroud and 1 LR Carrier on a single Centurion? That's 4 unit types, so you don't — you turn all LR into Carriers, take them on the Land Raider detachment, and use up 2 primes on Logistical, meaning you ought to take a Legion-specific detachment, as they have a prime.Well lucky legions, their aux detachments do get primes. Mechanicum doesn't, they need a High Command for that.
>>98773229>You do need 3 of them most of the timeCenturion + consul, or centurion + praetor?
>>98773111>Theres some technical downsides to itIt is a passive trait; it doesn't help you kill the enemy better like Impact (I) does – it helps you not die as hard instead.I don't mind it cancels reactions as it's technically already a reaction.I guess it is thematic that EC players are divided between those who would give themselves to FnP6 and Status immunity, and those who would eschew the palliatives of the downtrodden.The perfect defense is to kill the enemy before they get to retaliate!
>>98773281>it doesn't help you kill the enemy betterI'd say +1 strength and not getting penalties from status effects actually does help killing the enemy better quite a bit.
>>98773294It helps you kill power armored marines easier, which you'd be better off shooting - but can't because Stupefy forces snapshots.Against terminators, your weapons need breaching anyways or already wound on 2s, so not really.That part is balanced, that's fine by me.
>>98773281Fun thing is you can react shoot with a unit then choose to become stupified afterwards so you dont take any statuses and are made more durable.>>98773294You also can't get statused from range and therefore can freely score objectives.
>>98773144Yes go fuck yourself.
>>98773408You need to be above the age of eighteen to post here, preferably twenty-five if I'm being honest.
no leaks on the slaanesh daemons?
>>98773849i don't think GW gave out the journal to people this time since it overlapped with the 40k release which sold out.Even places that generally get all the GW stuff like Guerrilla Miniature, didn't do a video on the journal, and he does a video on every GW release
Tell me about marine strategy and lists.I have this idea that marine lists have one murder ball where the melee warlord and his melee goonies are, that it throws at targets. Either as a battering ram (WE) or as a gotcha at the point of maximum vulnerability (RG)...but it is melee and it's thrown at people.And they have supporting arms and transports to help them do that mission, whilst holding terrain or keeping the enemy bogged down with yet other lesser murder balls.Am I far from the mark?
>>98774108can this be said with any confidence when there are leaks in this very thread?
>>98774108Not even Troonhammer?
>>98774272From a guy who literally said he was risking his job to take a peak?
>>98774284Nooo anon don't risk your job it ain't worth iiiit. What's two more years?
>>98774284A lot of loyalty for a hired gun.
>>98773281>it doesn't help you kill the enemy betteIt does, +1S.
>>98774258I dont do murder balls myself (RG). I prefer to spread out the murder across a few units; some destroyers, seekers, and a small group of deliverers. I fight a lot of muderballs and they can only exist one one point at any given time so I just kill everything around them. Two rhinos with tacs to rush some points early, always react away to deny vanguard, Eagle with deliverers to take their home objective, and basically do laps on them with the rest of my list.
>>98771153man those new terminators do not look good>>98773565Then that makes you far too young to be here.
>>98774258They CAN do that, but the big melee death ball is generally not a good idea.
>>98774461S7Feels like the elites don't need that kind of help. The regular soldiers could make use of it. I wonder, maybe the enemy would do well in not shooting the power sword guys & chainsword guys coming at him?Alright I concede, it's not useless. I simply support a different strategy myself.
What would you guys say is the best recaster to get a thunderhawk from? I was thinking WTG but I've been told their FW recasts aren't that good,so was wondering if there's a better THawk
>>98774258That's merely one way to play marines. And not a very effective way most of the time. Marines can go tank heavy, mechanised infantry, short range firepower, long range firepower, artillery heavy, close combat heavy, infiltrating skirmishers, infantry horde, high mobility warfare with bikes and jump packs, or a mix of any of the above.
>>98775587The elites benefit from not being statussed/the FNP, the mooks benefit from that and the +1S.
>>98775587>Assuming the only units that exist are MEQ and TEQAnd that is how you end up with your elite melee terminators getting tarpitted by a leviathan dreadnought.
>>98775654Anon a leviathan dies to 10 WS5 cataphractii with thunder hammers just like everything else in the game
>>98775683Between overwatch and attacking first, it's far from guaranteed. Only 3 terminators need to die and the odds turn in favour of the leviathan surviving the first round of combat.
>>98774471>>98774909For melee deathball, I was thinking 5 WS5 Termies. I know Spartans exist, but I think it's easier to use multiple 5-man Termie squads (WS5 or 4 even) in multiple baskets, than having a single basket your opponent can focus fire into.That's how both WS and AL do it, right? Can't suffer a decapitation blow if there is no center to strike at.
>>98775735Nta, what's the answer to Castraferrums and Leviathans? Boxnoughts seem light enough, but Levis idk. Maybe it better tangos with 5 Catas for 3 turns than it running loose doing untold damage
>>98775766Terminator squads of 5 is much more practical. There just aren't that much units that are worth throwing 10 terminators in a spartan at, whilst it is quite easy to focus or evade/delay/ignore the spartan party bus.
>>98775766Yup, thats much more practical. A couple terminator squads in land raiders is honestly pretty viable and good, land raiders are still hard to deal with and by splitting up the baskets you often provide more threats than can be easily dealt with. Its easy to kill one spartan, or focus/avoid one terminator unit, but multiples at once? Much harder. I know a DA player who runs like 3 land raiders full of terminators, shits brutal.
>>98775777>what's the answer to CastraferrumsGuns, any heavy ones will do.>leviathansTheyre m6(?) heavy. Just ignore them if theyre melee, or melee them if theyre ranged. Or: if youre a war criminal. Corvidae lascannons.
>>98775800>Corvidae lascannons.autocannons*Seriously that shits brutal. Like 17 wounds to a leviathan on average.
>>98775777Heavy tank killing firepower is the biggest threat to leviathans. It's often long range so the leviathan can't return fire, and it has higher strength and damage values than melee weapons have. Squads with melta weapons can also bring down leviathans, 3 damage for each wound that goes through stacks up quick.
>>98775800nta but that's why I run my leviathan with one claw one ranged weapon, and walk it onto an objective. People can't just ignore the leviathan forever when it will decimate any line unit that needs to get close to the objective marker.
>>98775834I dont think any of the leviathans guns are individually impactful enough (except the phosphex). Maybe the grav?
>>98775842The volkite nipple guns plus a storm cannon or melta lance is enough shots to put meaningful damage on MEQ units.
