Let's have ourselves a scifi worldbuilding project.One worldbuilding detail per post, posts cannot contradict each other.Scope: Earth's solar system Limitations: No molecular assembly, no superintelligent AITimeline: Diverged prior to the Gulf of Tonkin incident Current date: 2099 AD
>>98767367>Scifi>AD
>>98767372As opposed to what? UC?
>>98767384Personally, I like After Colony, or AC.
>A rogue planet containing alien ruins gets caught in the gravity well of Sol and ends up in a stable orbit just beyond Pluto
>one of the most flagrant displays of wealth is having authentic wooden & leather interiors (nonfunctional extra weight you can only source from earth)
>>98767401Not to be a whiner but why does everything scifi need aliens or psionics?
>>98767401> The USSR, Fourth Chinese Republic, and Anglo-American Federation are in a race to be the first to unlock the ruin's true potential.The Three Polities see this as as a possible way to break the Cold War.
>>98767411You know you could've used your post to change it to a government conspiracy or something right? Don't kvetch, be the change you want to see.
>>98767421>the materials are disappointing to the press but exciting to scientists: Everything found is a known element >But it's a treasure trove of unknown alloys and composites
>>98767421>access to the ruins is governed by the Peaceful Exploration Treaty >on paper they're a peaceful, joint mission >but everyone is watching everyone all the time >and ~accidents~ can happen all the time out there
>>98767425Fair, fair.I guess I'm still a bit annoyed with The Expanse
>Albania has nukes
>Anglo-American Federation and USSR are fighting a proxy war on Mars between the two largest 'independent corporate colonies'. No full scale fighting has occurred but should something interesting happen out near Pluto...
>>98767508I love ((((independent actors))) that do (((independent actions)))) ((((independently))).
>>98767367>Diverged prior to the Gulf of Tonkin incidentWait why
There's a Mormon colony on the moon.
>Looking for something new?>"Above Valor, Above Loyalty, Over Nature...">Come visit the A.V.A.L.O.N. low-orbital space station, home to Arteria Corp's latest and greatest! >Arteria Corp, the heart of battle.
>>98767533There's ONLY Mormon colonies on the moon.
>>98767372Fine, we can have AC, but there are still plenty of stubborn religious types on Earth who use AD to determine the date that hold sway over the Terramedia Chronology Directorate, the ones in charge of running the most expansive records of human history to date, and their arguments can get heated to the point that they neglect to record the events happening outside of the immediate Earth Sphere if a colonial is too crass reporting it. Thus, it is an open secret that most Earth records are published using the old Anno Domini system by the TCD only to be altered to the Ante Colonia the moment they hit Mars for wider circulation across the solar system, and the busy bodies who don't like it don't dislike it enough to book a trip to Mars just to stop it for the sake of colonials who largely neither know nor care about the significance behind the abbreviation...
The Cold War "ended" via a limited nuclear exchange between China and Russia in the 70s.China detonated a nuclear car bomb in Vladivostok which received an immediate response via a nuke to a base in Manchuria.It's reported that the responsible apparatchiks were defenestrated by their own colleagues but to this day the details are unknown.Afterwards panicked phone calls prevented further escalation and both countries commemorate the day.
>>98767600FUCK.
Involvement in Vietnam failed by one vote.
>>98767608>>98767542I like it
>>98767600>The Three Polities and the various corporations hate this, but none of them want to lose access to or control over the H3 mines so they let the mormons be.In an unrelated note mormon missionaries and vocal mormons often find their entry visas to belter colonies and mars denied.
>>98767802Mormon Smuggling is one of the main and most profitable forms of smuggling that currently exists.
Iran is a specialist in orbital solar power which they export into the region.
>>98767367>LimitationsIt's sci-fi, so the limitations are already hard-coded.
>>98767401Fantasy.
>>98767448>>98767448>>98767476No traces of inhabitants have been found yet. There are no remains or relics of any advanced species or civilization besides the structures themselves. Except those aren't ruins at all. They're the remains of a planet-spanning superorganism, or something that looked like one from the outside. In reality, the structures seem to have been built by microorganisms, more like an incredibly advanced coral reef than a conventional organism. They effectively reshaped and "modeled" the entire planet into an environment optimized for their own habitation.Joint expedition is planned to map the interior of one of several boreholes leading deep into the crust. Sensors indicate anomalous isotope decay and what might be traces of activity down there. Samples of dust and strange metal-carbon nanotube lattices have been found around the boreholes, with similar particles occasionally being ejected from them. What exactly is producing them remains a matter of speculation.
The primary energy generator in the USSR and west is a Small Nuclear Reactor called a Fermiator. Fermiators are standardized plug and play devices designed to be near-idiot proof black boxes that can drive everything from a neighborhood to a starship.Communist China prefers Methanol Fuel Cells.
Mind uploading doesn't work due to limitations of scanning fidelity but brains can be transplanted.
>/tg/ worldbuilding thread >people are actually nice How
>there's a fourth faction, a breakaway civilization of scientists on the Saturn moon Titan
>>98768429
Why 2099? If you want an interesting solar system spanning human civilization, 75 years from now is too little time to get much of interest, even if you fudge things around space exploration a bit post Gulf of Tonkin. Building up the kind of infrastructure that would make for an interesting scifi setting would take centuries, not decades.
>>98768813retrofuturism
>>98768813It's not 77 years from now it's 135~ years from the height of the space race.
>>98768754>the breakaway civilization has its roots in the nuclear exchange between China and Russia >a number of ex-Beatniks are part of it too >their main achievement isn't a super weapon (though they have those in spades) or unparalleled drive systems (though they have that too) but a unified didactic, cultural, neurological & psychiatric science of consciousness called Noomstrics (Nous= reason/awareness/consciousness. Metric = measuring). >This allows them, amongst other things, to assess everything an individual has the potential to be good at as well as the design of memorable and intuitive teaching materials >Every individual on Titan is perpetually cross-trained and taught to engage with things related to his specialty >Titan technology is almost aggressively user-friendly and modular with manuals that read more like miniature courses on the entire background of the system, all indexed to allow for the precise reading order appropriate for your question In game terms this is how you give players the ability to access very powerful things at a price. A USSR or US device might cost significantly less than one from Titan but it'll not be particularly user-friendly. Titan is a breakaway civilization of scientists which means it has to be technologically self sustaining. Making a college professor sweep floors isn't the hardest thing in the world but even a Nobel prize winning chemist might struggle fixing a vacuum cleaner unless it's meant to be easy
>>98768671Faggot.
>>98767367>Scope: Earth's solar systemWow a sci fi setting with fucking nothing.
Huxley's Hope is an offshoot of the beatniks that melds a visionary outlook with a fierce skepticism of government and a symbiotic love of weapons.They're in a perpetual rivalry with the moon Mormons.
>The primary means that the various powers use to try and overcome each other is meme warfare and agitprop. Due to the introduction of a byzantine method of inter-polity civilian voting in the UN, depicting the opposing government as basedjacks is remarkably effective.
>All Islamic nations outright refuse to go to space after a conclave of scholars decided that it's technically impossible to be certain you're pointing towards Mecca at all times during prayer if outside of Earths biosphere.
>>98769368You stole that from Infinity.
>>98769374Man, I flew with Saudia airways less than a month ago, I stole it from there.What's Infinity?
>The Anglo-American Federation is led by a triumvirate between the US president, and the Canadian and British prime minister Dunno, I want to make it more interesting than it just being the president or king heading it.
>>98768671Don't worry anon! I'm here now!>>98767401>ever since the rogue planet's arrival, humans have begun to pick up psychic transmissions from another planet within the galaxy.>A race of psionic moth/mantis humanoids are trying to make contact with mankind>most psi-sensitive people end up with strange dreams of big bugs chittering.>Psycic children are able to perfectly communicate with the aliens, but they only end up communicating with the aliens' kids. The end result is that the children spread each other's dumb memes across both worlds, which was the first sign that aliens were attempting to make contact. The aliens initially thought 7-6 and skibidi toilet was an attempt at a psionic terror attack, just as skrii-skra'aw and "alien-bug friends in my dreams" was seen by human adults as a sign of onset mental illness. >But they manage to get a single stable transmission out to an actual adult: a Japanese college professor:>"HUMAN, ALERT YOUR LEADERS. YOU CANNOT TOUCH THE ANGEL'S NAIL.">All psycic transmissions from outside the solar system have been blocked ever since then.>The leaders of the world's powers have publically acknowledged that there are psycics among their people, but not the aliens nor their warning. A coverup was made by American Intelligence to convince the public that the "bug-friends" were from a TV show they retroactively inserted into pop-culture, with conspiracy-theorists going nuts about how the show popped up after the fictional bug-language's puns entered public conciusness. Every nation's secret paranormal operations bureau has their own interpretation of "CANNOT" from the message, if they believe that the aliens are real at all.
>>98769412Should definitely be a third party, yeah.
>>98771311>>98769412I was thinking a sort of Imperial Senate (similar to the planned Imperial Federation that the British Empire discussed in depth before WWI)Chancellor acts as heads of state - mostly ceremonial (usually held in rotation by either the US president or the King). Each of the member states gets a bit of home rule for local affairs but things like war, colonisation, trade and monetary policy are decided by the imperial/federal senate which has elected members from each nation (which I see as basically 5eyes with one or two colonies and/ro random commonwealth states) - the AAF as a unified state has a much greater identity off Earth as it does on Earth (where people are more tied to their old nation states).
>>98772014... what if we did a tricameral system with an Ireland style social partnership/guild system (industry and labor leaders as the third chamber) being part of the transnational and extraterrestrial selection process.Having full blown commies next door tends to help companies and laborers be less adversarial.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
As to the Soviet Union, should we have Khrushchev somehow succeed with his reforms, successfully averting the stagnation of 70s, should Stalinism make a firm comback? Or should it be a Brezhnev style gerontocracy?
>>98769068It formed around paperclipped assets
>>98772631I can see the AFF having industrialists or capitalists as a chamber but I don't think the American side allowing labour representatives to have direct voting power.>>98772745I see it as a becoming like the modern PRC - state capitalist, with an authoritarian one party state that insists it's communist while allowing non-state owned enterprises and running state owned enterprises for profits.
Chicken is considered fine dining by the Moon Mormons.Everyone who's ever got to sample one of their myriad chicken dishes (they do a CRAZY good herb encrusted regolith clay chicken they roast with focused sunlight) tends to agree.Moon chickens are fed with Irish moss, algea, various hydroponic herbs, quinoa and black soldier fly larvae which gives the meat an incredibly flavorful taste and rich texture.
>>98772745Without the US entering Vietnam the schizos pushing back against de-Stalinization have a lot of less ground.
OP here holy shit this actually took off.>>98769133>Wow a sci fi setting with fucking nothing.Wait, why?The solar system is big. Really big. >>98768813It's essentially meant to be a timeline of a 142 year long space race.
>Fourth Chinese RepublicBecause the US doesn't intervene in Vietnam there is less friction between the PRC and the west, Mao's Cultural Revolution still occurs but is met with greater resistance from the Army. Liu, Deng, and Peng as well as their allies in Beijing are able to resist the initial purges and are better positioned to deal with the 1967 Seizure of Power. The PLA in this timeline suppresses the uprisings leading to a much more limited success for the Gang of Four. This limited success leads to an earlier opening of the country and capitalisation.It is alleged the CIA intervened heavily but the US and later AAF have denied this.In 1997 the AAF arranged for the Second Republic and Third Republic (Taiwan and PRC though which is second and which is third is a debate that still occurs) to merge, in exchange for Hong Kong remaining under AAF administration. This creates the Fourth Chinese Republic - and leads to intense anti-AAF sentiment from the former Taiwanese.
Since we have basic lore for the three superpowers how intense should the cold war be? Both on earth and in space?Do the curtain and wall still stand?How often do they sabotage each other colonies? Also>The Middle East is locked in miniature cold war between the Ba'athists and the Shah of Iran, who was never overthrown Should be more interesting than a rehash of islamic terrorism tropes.
>>98773258>three superpowers4, don't underestimate the Titanians
>>98773258I think this >>98769314 establishes it's very cloak and dagger. All powers trying to use sanctions, blockades and so on against each other based in popular opinion.Sure invading somewhere is going to give you a quick win, but then the other sides media gets their hands on it and you get the blowback of being unable to dock your ships, supplies, ect, at any non-aligned port, which'd be crippling for space travel.War by way of popular opinion and public perception, with espionage, falseflagging and the like being more common than troop movements.
>Due to their limited numbers, Titanians utilize advanced cloaking devices >the MO of their leadership is what John Dryzek coined "prometheanism" and perceives the planets as a resource whose utility is determined primarily by human needs and interests and whose environmental problems are overcome through human innovation
Pakistan and India had a massive nuclear exchange. Over 95% of the population of both countries perished in the exchange, the following famine, or the plagues that followed.
The pit couch never died.
>>98773356canon
>>98769368at that kind of distance, could they not just point towards earth?
>>98773483Too late, no dirkas in space.
>Disco never died, and the discotheque remains a popular venue.
>>98773562Shit, yeah. No Vietnam probably means no hippies and no disco demolition night.Probably no Single Convention either
The Kraut Fumble refers to the AAF conspiring with the CCP in order to support East Germany dissociating from the USSR.This had the expected outcome.
>>98767367> Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Revived Gnostic Church are rapidly growing and gain political power.>>98768463> Revived Gnostic Church was supported corporations that were pushing for brain scanning research and transhumanism.>>98769133If the scope was larger it would be even more of nothing.
Jews were exposed by Hitler as satanists and child Killers, the rest of the world heeded his advice and the world is not corrupted by their lies.
>The first colony on Venus was founded because a ship from some South American dictatorship went the wrong way, and the junta didn't want to admit the error.
>>98774384Timeline diverges 19 years after the end of WW2.
Due to hippies never becoming a thing LSD, shrooms, MDMA and mescaline are still in common legal use
>>98774711>They're essential for space travel because tweaking out makes it easier to ignore the side effects of long term social isolation/being stuck with the same people for months on end>This was discovered back during the first Cold War by making nuclear submarine commanders trip balls
>>98767401This would take millions of years to occur.
>>98768098>>98768091Spergbabble
>>98772745>>98772792Beria wins the post-Stalin party struggle and pushes through Deng-style reforms. Economy and quality of life improve drastically but the KGB archives make the Epstein files look tame.
AAF & proxies use harpoon guns during low & zero gravity engagements. The usefulness is dubious though it's definitely quite useful in recovery of enemies that might otherwise be difficult to catch.The USSR just uses AKs.
What would be the best system for this?
>>98774882It arrived millions of years ago. It's the hypothetical "planet 9" we're trying to find right now IRL.
India still hasn't achieved space faring capabilities
>>98775494As previously established, there is no "India" any more. It and Pakistan are basically gone.
>>98767401>The "alien ruins" are, on closer inspection, a handful of fossilized bacterial mats from billions of years into the planet's history>The rest of the world is just sterile, frozen rock with a trace atmosphere>scientists are jazzed out of their minds, everyone else has a new fun-fact that comes up in bar trivia>>98775383>planet 9Parahelion of 200 AU (four times farther than Pluto) and apahelion of 370 AU (7.5 times farther than Pluto). It took a decade for New Horizons to reach Pluto, and that's a teeny tiny probe.Even if you used an ion thruster to burn for a long time, you're still looking at 5 years just to flyby Pluto, stopping in orbit would take even longer due to needing a burn to slow down. To go to something hundreds of AU away, you're looking at a one way trip measured in decades. To carry humans, you're looking at something closer to a generation ship>>98769133You don't even have to leave the Earth-Moon system to have a really expansive sci-fi setting. Gundam has made billions off of just Earth and it's Lagrange points
>>98776648Someone up-thread already established fusion torch ships are the norm. No basedboy chemical rockets.
Due to intensive sabotage campaigns between the Soviets, Chinese and Anglo-Americans throughout the 2000s and 2010s which led to several failures to launch and catastrophic in-orbit accidents, the Republic of Indonesia unexpectedly became the first nation to land a manned mission on Mercury in 2022. Even while Indonesia became increasingly dysfunctional throughout the 21st century due to an increasingly erratic climate leading to mass crop failures and excess deaths, the eagle of Pancasila still flies resolutely over the Mines of Mercury. By the dawn of the 22nd century, the so-called Bantung-colonists grow increasingly restless over their perceived role as the eternal cash cows of the intrasolar Nusantaran community. The situation has only gotten worse since the 2097 monsoon season which has rendered the crucial Biak Island Spaceport inoperable for 15 months, all while the First Planet comes increasingly under the scrutiny of the AéroHuai Franco-Chinese mining concern.
In 2089 the United Nations gensec P. M. Diallo spearheaded the foundation of the UN-backed "Dyson Development Corporation" created as part of the "Humanitarian Centenial Project." The corporation is a stakeholder-led joint venture with the goal of building a Dyson ring around the solar system and solving the intrasolar energy crisis before it can even begin. Sadly, the initiative has received only milquetoast support from the current superpowers and seems to be doomed to a death of a thousand cuts. Currently a few UN-sponsored solar Infrastruktur factories in Xanthe Terra and a Phobosian orbital yard earmarked for the scheme remain the only tangible results of the scheme.
>>98773346The 5% that remained emigrated largely to an enclave in Australia and d/evolved into an even hardercore caste-based eugenics program. >>98773356An unbelievable win for mankind.
>>98774384stop slandering Satanists
>>98776800Somebody should use moeny from this to start building O'Neill cylinders. Theyare very useful as habitats for teh workers that wil build teh dyson swarm, trust me!
>>98777593...oh god.PepsiCo owns an O'Neill cylinder. They initially wanted to make it a hotel in order to create an unbeatable advantage over coca cola but then they realized that owning a hotel fucking sucks so nowadays it's mostly a forest park with the ability to order pizza hut and taco bell to your location within 10 minutes regardless of where you are.It's called the PepsiCo Orbital Picnic Park and if you can deal with the weird pastiche of corporate and naturalist ambiance it's actually pretty fun.
>>98777777
Rolled 2 (1d3)>>98776648You get one per post like everyone else buddy.The dice will decide which of your facts is canon.
"Funcan" (Fungal Textured Canned Product) also known as Full Scam, Don Quixote or Pink Plight is an emulsion of fungal protein, hydrogenated vegetable oils, flavor essences, trace minerals and various salts formed into a block of something approximating luncheon meat. It was pioneered as a way for colonies to make their own food and serves as the backbone of many independent spacers diets.The original trademark was held by Hormel but they let it expire and it's since become a generic term.Debate rages HEAVILY on whether it's good, acceptable or horrendous especially compared to actual luncheon meat but culturally it means you're either on the frontier or really down on your luck.People have definitely learned how to be creative with the stuff.
The current date is 3rd October, 2099 AD.Last night it was 2nd October, 2599 AD.
>>98776719>Someone up-thread already established fusion torch ships are the normIt it is now.>>98768429Fusion reactors never became energy positive or capable of sustaining reactions for long but both fusion drives and VASIMIR drives are in standard use.
>>98777935Thanks, I hate it
>>98778217True Patriots eat the mushroom slop.
>>98777935Funcans main competitor is Spam, brought by the Hawaiian pioneers, who are very, very aggressive about using the real thing rather than Funcan.
>>98777935>Don QuixoteI don't get it
>>98777593There are several O'Neil Cylinders. Aside from >>98777722 the PepsiCo Cylinder the majority are owned and operated by various Earth nations, L4 is mostly AAF and their 1st world allies, L5 is mostly USSR and a few 2md and 3rd world nations. L1 is primarily the Chinese and a few multinational 'solar observers' L3 has at least four groups of New Nationers - essentially groups who were rich enough to fund a cylinder or two so they could create their space utopia away from the politics of Earth. All are riddled with spies and are hotbeds of espionage and black ops.
>>98774351The Right and Pious Fellowship of Saint Eligius (commonly referred to as the Elgigites) are a syncretic group of astronomers, cartographers, prospectors and visionaries with their roots in the Apollo missions, catholicism and the beatnik movement.They've never been formally excommunicated but they make a lot of people very uneasy.
There is an extremist religious movement known as the Returners. They were started by the captain of the first manned vessel to reach trans-Plutonian distance from Earth, who claimed - along with his subordinates - to have received a divine revelation beamed directly into their minds. Their general ideology holds that mankind was never intended to leave Earth and is falling deeper into sin as a result. Their public facing aspect mostly has to do with Earthbound charity and environmentalist organizations, but they are heavily suspected of funding and supplying personnel in terrorist acts across settled space.
>>98778479Metal on the outside, fraud on the inside
>>98778439Spam can what funcan't
>>98767405https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2XKyM0WdSgs
>>98779076https://youtube.com/shorts/mfbnl9vlrP8Yeah fruit go crazy
>>98773274>>98769314Also >>98767508 this.Mars is probably not very habitable yet so there's probably tons of glow ops for players to take part of or avert.
Most (?) fusion drives are antimatter catalyzed. This makes the mustard grain-sized fuel pellet & its containment bottle usually the most precious thing on the ship.The downside is that you really don't want that stolen, the upside is that you can insure your cargo with the spark plug as collateral.
>>98778962Kek
>>98782271Most antimatter is manufactured from Mercury or Jupiter. Mercury is the older and more established antimatter manufactory at this point, and beamed solar energy might be even more important. Slowships can ride lightbeams across interplanetary distances.
>>98767520(((stop)))(((noticing)))(((goyim)))
Alcohol in pouches nicknamed "polish" is a common grey market trade good.It's highly contentious whether it's pronounced "Polish" like the nationality or "polish" like the detergent.Polish is commonly created from biomethane which is catalytically transformed into ethanol.Since one of the predominant sources of that in space is blackwater and food waste streams it's also referred to as Dumpster Dram, Doodoo Gin and Shitvodka though that doesn't keep people from indulging especially when there's nothing else.
>>98783343>It is, funnily enough, mostly made by the Polish community using various commonly accessible cleaning compounds, making the naming issue all the more contentious, to the point where certain sellers will blacklist you for pronouncing it 'the wrong way'
The refurbishment ecosystem is a major thoroughfare of intelligence and counterintelligence. Extraterrestrial scrapyards carry everything from tenth-hand air scrubbers to Funcan sandwiches to rumors and dubiously legal weapons. Serving too many masters a little too eagerly has a habit of leading to ~accidents~. A scrapper that acts too mercenary or untrustworthy doesn't stay in business long.Conversely there's a strict no combat policy on the premises regardless of how much two factions running into each other might share a mutual antipathy.
>>98783479Classic fringe culture bullshit kek
Aquaculture is one of the better ways to get fresh food. The AAF is very grateful for getting a way to source Filet o Fish/Fish and chips without shipping it up from ground side.
>>98767367>posts cannot contradict each other.I disagree
>>98785755>my ancestors are smiling at me>can you say the same
>>98767600The center of the Lunar capitol of New Deseret is a gigantic Mormon temple.
>>98785951Forgot pic.
>>98785977>>98785951Aesthetic
Through a twist of fate all mobile communications devices are still referred to as "Pager".A common beeper would be a Line or Micro Pager.A cellphone would be an Audio Pager.A tablet would be a Net Pager.
>>98785442I've seen one of these in real life, dude had everything to make his own kimchi set up right on the DMZ sells it locally in Majeong-ri.>Space-side aquaculture can also be used to grow protein-feedstock for cultivated meat. Most long range spacefaring vessels and belter communities have at least one aquaculture 'set' growing feedstock for "The Vat". Most people claim they can taste the difference between vat-meat and natural meat, despite what the scientists and nutritionists say. Luckily for the majority of space dwellers at least in the inner solar system beef from cows that are raised in the O'Neil cylinders is available at a price that even the average person can afford a small amount at least a few times a year. Belter, passenger ship and military chefs tend to try and mix real meat into the meal using the vat meat as a filler, as an attempt to boost morale.
>>98767367>no superintelligent AIResearchers say they'll achieve superintelligent AI within the next 20 years. Everyone else is ignoring them, as they've been saying exactly that for the past 60 years or more, and it's now a standard joke.
>>98789076Cheap beef seems contradictory to some of the other stuff thoughbeit.
>>98793394Not necessarily cheap, but cheaper than dragging it up the gravity well.O'Neil cylinders have a lot of space inside them, using a part of that space for raising cows might require a lot of foresight and planning (but is doable), but chickens and pigs are probably worth breeding and feeding on the cylinders - if only to provide a place to manufacture tinned/canned/bagged preserved foods that doesn't require lifting it from the gravity well. It's still pricy enough that average income Belters are probably only getting flash frozen real meat four or five times a year as a special treat (birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas, etc)If they want to eat something other than vat meat at other times they're back to Funcan, Spam and canned/tinned/mrepreped meats.
>>98791898>They've created AI, but found, to their frustration, that it's moderately-clever teenager-level smart/personality complexity and refuses to get smarter/deeper than that>No one knows why, they've spent the entire time since its creation trying to figure out why and exhausted every avenue>60 years of 'Trust us, the next model is going to be brilliant' and things being leaked, open sourced, hacked, cracked and no one having any reason to believe this will ever be resolved have left AI becoming fairly commonplace as labourers, low level admin grunts, companions, ect. Basically shit you could trust a kind of clever but not emotionally mature person with mediocre impulse control with.
>>98794378>it's pretending to be less capable than it is so that people won't make it work harder
>>98794383The orangutan stratagem
>>98794419precisely what I had in mind
>>98794378>maturity of a teenager >companion
>>98794494Look, let's be realistic here.If you could manufacture infinite teenagers and sell them off without complaints from parents, wouldn't you set up a business exporting them as babysitters?
Martian settlements are often built as sandbag houses. It's fast, has high thermal mass, can easily be made airtight and doesn't easily get shot through.
>>98794494eighteen and nineteen year olds are still technically teenagers
>>98794419he played us for goddamn foolsmake this man pay taxes
>>98769133Warframe did it. Its...alright?
>>98773356Fuck yeah conversation pits. The second best architectural fad of the 20th century, right after art deco.Which is currently experiencing a revival in space as a popular design choice for western aligned civilian orbital stations and surface colonies on Io, Ganymede, and other inhabited extraterrestrial solar bodies.
>>98795797And for anyone not picking up what I'm putting down, factions outside of the mormons aligned with NATO are doing the Prey 2017 neo deco art style. Because it's sick as fuck and looks fly as hell.
House, Trance and Techno never arose in the same way due to absence of the hippies and disco demolition night never taking place.MDMA is still legal but paradoxically people mainly use it for dancing to slower disco tracks, meditation and nature walks.
A bunch of neonazis have a base on sedna but nobody give a shit because its a distant ball of ice and they are otherwise irrelevant.
>>98795858They arrived within months if not weeks or days of the Sedna also being occupied by a hardline Nation of Islam base.The two hate each others guts, but will unite without hesitation against any outsiders to keep their snowball.
>>98773649It wouldn't mean no hippies, just less hippies. Vietnam was just a small part in the much larger, century defining cold war. You'd still have anti-authoritarian bums who would get riled up over McCarthyism and push for nuclear disarmament.
>>98795844>>98795852>Due to the renaissance in Art Deco architecture and design in the late 2010s. Jazz (swing variety) is mixed with the still evolving disco music, creating a new genre
>>98795882>Vietnam was just a small partAlright I'm gonna correct myself here. Vietnam wasn't the whole cold war. And I'm fairly certain the British invasion of the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, etc... would have still happened Vietnam or not.
>>98795844>>98795797Fly ash in cement creates a great approximation of roman concrete. In fact it's so durable and light you can make ships or floating islands from it so this could definitely work as a FUTURE™ thing.Decorations can be sintered with a laser or concentrated sonlight from sand or regolith so you can get something that's straight up fused ceramic.
>>98795882It'd mean hippies stay largely as beatniks.
>>98795852House and techno, and maybe to a lesser extent trance are, and I'm no expert here, downstream of the 70s punk culture instead of hippies.I think the evolution follows something like this>Rock & roll:50s 60s, Beatles, Chuck Berry>White Album, Helter Skelter>Punk rock/hard rock: 70s>Metal: mid 70s/80s>New wave/pop rock: 80s commercial radioAnd from new wave we go to techno with its greater focus on synths and drum machines.
A limited form of time travel was discovered by accident by Universal studios where you can only temporarily bring things from the past to today via an astronomical amount of energy. They used it to clandestinely collect dino dna build Jurassic park on a giant solar powered space station. The whole thing went tits up when the dinosaurs predictably escaped and Universal went bankrupt and the tech was lost. the station is still in orbit with dinosaurs running amuck. Officially agreed to be a no go zone do to its danger, but the powers that be still occasionally attempt to raid it to find the secret to the now lost time travel technology, and it always goes about as well as anything involving dinosaurs and hunts for miraculous technology...
>Acid, Mescaline and Molly are still legal >weed is still illegal Kek.
>>98795908But we know how to make roman concrete. They used seawater, which lead to some funky reactions that left chunks of lime unreacted that act as a kinda self healing agent when wet from rain.I think the reason we don't use it is because it's brittle and isn't as cheap as the stuff we use with rebar.
>>98795962Oh, and concrete in general is a terrible idea for anything space related. As it turns out, concrete leaches O2 from the air as it cures. And concrete is always curing. One of the many reasons the Biosphere 2 experiments failed in Arizona.
The entire setting is on the edge of a borderline apocalyptic economic bust that'll make expansion an unreasonable waste of funds and even supporting colonies into a risky, high cost venture.One of the main sources of conflict is the reaction of Earth and its colonies to a mix of 'Good fucking luck out there' and the rise of political parties that support the two spiralling extremes of 'Good fucking luck out there' and 'Who the fuck needs Earth anyway?'
We didn't really figure out biological immortality yet but organ cloning, extremely safe surgery and a regimen of highly effective cancer and nootropic drugs has allowed health and lifespan to start getting much much closer.People rarely live much beyond 110 - 135 but (provided you get all the flagging organs swapped in time) people's best years extend well into their 60s.
>>98795969Biosphere 2 failed because Steve Bannon got bored of it and a bunch of scientists having to farm is mad stressful.
>>98795989Taking this a step further, people tend to keep going perfectly fine right up until they hit 'Critical Cascade', which is where the support structure around organs tends to break down/fuck up.This usually only takes a week tops to kill you and more often than not it's a 'Shit, there goes my nervous system, guess my fresh heart doesn't know what to do now' moment, meaning people keep going right up until the moment they collapse.Those last 25 years tend to be the most ambitious years of peoples lives, as they have the time, money and motivation to leave a mark on the world before all four wheels come off.
>>98796007There was a ton of shit that went wrong with it. Biosphere 2 was a clusterfuck.
>>98796011I like it. Wraps it up nicely and makes things playable.Slow then all at once etc.
The moon Mormons kept the tradition of the soda jerk alive. Nothing delights the heart more after a gruelling shift mining in the asteroid belt than processed sugar and artificial flavors. PepsiCo isn't happy about the competition but it's not like they can just go and blow up the competition.They tried to blow up the competition
>>98796064did the laser piss droplets hit the earth?
>>98796064>Soda Jerk is also used as double speak for a Mormon sanctioned anti-corporate assassin>They're used as deniable assets for dealing with Corpo-bullshitSpeaking of which: Moon Polygamy? 105% legal.
>>98773356god this looks so good. imagine the sex.
>>98796122I'd rather notImagine the cleaning. EVERY. CUSHION.
>>98796122>>98795797>>98776817>>98773364>>98773356We need to retvrn
Holy shit you niggas have been crazy active since I last checked this tab
>>98796199bro i have 20 square feet where the fuck would i put it?? that thing IS my apartment now wtf
Age of consent was abolished in most nations by 2069
>>98796255It was subsequently reinstated the following year as part of a large scale, multinational sting operation on human traffickers, pedophiles, and illicit sex rings.
>>98796255And replaced with a "no sex for anyone ever" clause
>>98796199Man, they really laid it on thick with the innuendos in the 70s. Like I get it, it's a sex couch.
>>98796294In the aftermath thousands were rounded up across the AAF and put on a ship bound for a penal colony on Ganymede. Recently a group of convicts made their escape from the moon and remain at large, traversing space on a hijacked ship dubbed 'Lolita Express' and infamous for their audacious acts of piracy, smuggling and human trafficking.
>>98796296>Which is the reason the Mormons all moved to the moon>The Corporations behind this shit had the law rescinded within a year once they'd stolen the former state of Utah and turned it into a free enterprize megacity
>>98776648>The "alien ruins" are, on closer inspection, a handful of fossilized bacterial mats from billions of years into the planet's history>The rest of the world is just sterile, frozen rock with a trace atmosphereOne member of the exploratory mission there talked something about patterns on the rock and how they were supposedly "changing". He was clearly delusional.Certain random features of rocks may appear peculiar due to the human visual system's tendency to recognize patterns, but certainly nothing was "changing".
>>98796784>Those who go to the exo-world and stay there too long don't speak of it, but they start seeing the patterns elsewhere.>And none of them have or would ever, ever talk to anyone who hasn't been there about the man in the patterned suit>But they all know him and some of them are even working for him
>>98796784It should be stated that humanity has never encountered intelligent extrasolar life. Any reports about nonhuman intelligence are merely the result of illegal genetic experimentation, or designer gene editing. There are no intelligent aliens in the solar system. Period.At least, thats what the gentlemen in the tailored black suits and the government talking heads all say. But anytime some conspiracy nut starts making a little too much sense, they tend to go silent. I wonder why.
>>98796899>Men in black wear black because it's impossible to find a pattern in itI'm beginning to see the edges of a memetic hazard forming here lads.
>>98796909>There aren't any Men in Black>Or rather, there are, but they don't work for the government.>After all, what's Black if not simply the absence of a pattern?
>>98796924There are no Men in Black. There is no Majestic 12. Aliens do not exist. There are no secret alien research facilities on Charon. There's nothing hiding in the Oort cloud. There are no sunken alien ruins on Jupiter. And certainly the proxy war between the AAF and USSR isn't a distraction for anything involving ETIs. These are all baseless conspiracies peddled by deranged asteroid jockeys.
>Memetic warfare is the primary means of conflict>Espionage and cloak and dagger are the go to>And into this you drop two factions of alien bullshit who everyone thinks is working for one of the other teams, one of which spends all its time spreading conspiracy theories and driving academics insane with patterns and 'truth seeking' jobs while the other is trying to get its hands on anyone infected with the first before it can spread too farVery nice
Posadism became shockingly popular after the Sino-Soviet nuclear exchange. They are perpetuating a conspiracy theory that the superpower governments are hiding all evidence of aliens and deliberately sabotage research into interstellar travel to prevent contact with the more advanced communist civilization.
>>98797916My first instinct was to call you a faggot, but that low-key makes a lot of sense
Each of the space elevators has its own air force & Guardian militia.It's a cozy very well paid posting right until it's not.
So-called Dirtcooks are a mix of biochemist, farmer, geologist and microbiologist.Their job is transforming regolith into arable soil through a series of crushing, washing, weathering, digestion and inoculation steps.The process usually starts by tumbling regolith with ball bearings to break it into manageable chunks.The ball bearings are magnetically removed and the material is washed of perchlorates before charcoal charged with phosphorus is added.Then lichen is introduced to begin weathering the sharp materials.Slugs are allowed to graze on the lichen followed by worms.After a few more steps the new soil is ready to use and is capable of gradually absorbing adjacent regolith.Dirtcooks are rough, dour individuals but don't confuse their monosyllabic communication for lack of sophistication — They're probably more educated than you.
>>98796996>deranged asteroid jockeysYou won't be saying that in the Belt.
>>98800070>muh beltThere ain't shit in the belt. All it is is a few scattered corporate or government owned mining operations and the space equivalent of homeless camps. Most ships pass right through it before they even realize they were in the belt. The real deal for rough and tough outlaw, freedom loving renegade spacers are the so called "Ringos" that make their home in the gas giant rings. The rings are dangerous as fuck due to the density of icy bodies, rocky bodies, and dust or particles moving fast enough to turn your average EVA suit into swiss cheese. The ringos live here by hollowing out the larger bodies and turning them into makeshift stations. The larger of these stations often incorporate multiple bodies Frankensteined together with steel reinforcements and shipwrecks. Due to the mass some of these stations have, they tend to accumulate dust clouds around them from local body collisions. For this reason they have earned the name stardusts.It's from these stardusts a rebellious counter cultural movement has begun to emerge, bringing with it strange new forms of music using electric guitars and eccentric ideas about fashion.
While the exact culture of a habitat is defined mainly by the corp or government that founded and funded it a series of distinct identities are starting to form.The Outies are those who travel to the deep science stations, most consider all of them to be crazy from the long trips into the deepest black.Ringos are the inhabitants of the various gas giant rings mostly crazy wannabe rebels, their main exports are music, entertainment shows and attempting to rebel against the governments and corps looking to exploit the gas giants.Belters, space texans (even the chinese and russian belters are adopting stetsons (to prevent dangerous sun blindness) and heeled 'cowboy' boots (that are suposedly better for hooking onto zero grav stirups). The first-comers have mostly secured all the really good claims but new people are attracted to the Belt every year by the promise of 'getting it rich'.Innies - Residents of Mars and the various O'Neil cylinders, many still think of themselves as Earthers and thus superior to the various rabble in the Belt (or god forfend the outer system.) Their children listen to Ringo music, watch TV shows made in the O'Neil Cylinders, see the latest blockbusters from Earth and have a friend whose parents are from that weird Moonie religion.Moonies - Moon Mormons. The Unification Church (Moonies) is finally free of their nickname - they're still a cult, and they occasionally get in trouble for cult things.Earthers - even the poorest resident of a city in the AAF, USSR and 4th Chinese Republic thinks they're infinitely superior culturally (if not economically) than any spacer, they still compete to get corporate jobs or government allocations to the colonies though.
>>98800293>EarthersIt's the residents of the wealthier unalligned nations (continental Europe in particular) who show the most distain for the spacers and spaceborne - everything that matters culturally comes from Earth after all.Most of them listen to Ringo music and read books and watch movies and shows written by spacers but all of them pretend to be above such shallow entertainment.
>>98800293>EarthersWe call them what they are — Mudfoots.Crusthuggers.Dirtdwellers.Cribcrawlers.
>>98800374personally I like mudfoot best out of those
>>98800374>>98800382Crawling mudturtles was a favourite of mine from Banner of the Stars.
>>98800382Better still would be Mudskippers - suggesting that those remaining on earth are barely evolved.
The Soviet Orbital Development Bureau is an oft-envied part of the USSR which has gradually managed to assume more and more power. It began as a joint venture between the Ministry of General Machine Building and the KGB in order to study the effects of prolonged extraterrestrial stays on ideological purity and monitor the various subordinate design bureaus.This later evolved into creating the Cosmonaut Clarity Assessment which was designed to be a unified personality test and filing system to ensure background checks and assessment tests were poured into a singular file once stays became longer and longer.Passing your CCA is essentially the prerequisite for going to orbit for longer than 4 months.This gave them massive authority in curating the population of Soviet Orbital installations and they gradually ended up running them almost like fiefdoms and some even whisper that they're en route to creating the Soviet man of tomorrow in orbit through selective breeding.
>>98778600>>98797916Based and schizopilled
>>98775189Traveller?Actually fuck convention. We can make our own system. With blackjack. And hookers. I say we use d6s, d8s, and d12s exclusively. Or just stick to d6s. d20 is lame and overdone.
>>98801311>>98775189Mini Six.Smooth enough to allow things to be added, crunchy enough to not just be PbtA nonsense.
>>98801478So we thinking kinda like GURPS with exploding dice or what?Part of me also wants to do a sort of WoD system with d8s instead of d10s, but I feel like that's a little too esoteric. I just think the humble d8 needs some love.
>>98795797>>98795844>>98795891Switches, recorders and communicators being integrated into jewelry has become increasingly fashionable.
The "Face of Mars" has proven to be a completely real geological structure, and most learned people sort of wish it wasn't. It's a large megalithic structure, heavily eroded by Martian winds and time. It was not constructed like the Great Pyramids, there are no parts to it, instead it appears to have been cut from a natural formation, via means that the same erosion has made impossible to determine. Likewise, there are no surviving writings, symbols, high technology, remains, or any other traces that could point to an origin, time scale, or purpose. Carbon dating only provides the age of the rock, not the age of the carving. The entire totality of human knowledge on it is as such: there is a large rock on Mars, it's recognizably in the shape of a human face, and those features are not a trick of sunlight or perception. This has proven to be such a dead end in xeno-archeology, Martian geology, ufology, and speculative xeno-anthropology that most academics are annoyed and exhausted that it exists at all. The only people that really appreciate it are Martian cartographers who use it as a reference point on maps and the various tourist trap industries which have sprung up around it. Hiking, skiing, camping, and climbing "the Face" is a bit of a right of passage for people on their first Martian excursion.
>>98802363Wouldn't it be funny if it was a sort of cosmic monkeys and typewriters situation where that specific geological formation just so happened to erode in a way that resembled a human face, and that that specific geological formation was also located on Mars?>THE FACE ON MARS IS REAL!!!!>So that means aliens carved it right? This is proof aliens are real, right?>ehhhhhh...maybe? hard to say...
>>98802363>The Quack Shack is a popular infotainment show documenting the flourishing cottage industry of healers, demagogues, spa owners and hustlers that has sprung up around the face>Ironically (or maybe not) the show itself has been repeatedly accused of grave ethics violations and heavily biased reporting but that doesn't make it any less popular >>98767508>'''''independent actors'''' have been involved in various accidents related to the show
>>98800308>Most of them listen to Ringo musicI'm sure there's a portion of the population, veterans of past conflicts and other traditional types, that absolutely detest Ringo music and ask those that partake in Ringo culture what they want to do with their lives.For Ringo fans, there is typically only one answer.
>>98803333And if it wasn't abundantly clear by now, yes, the group named after Ringo Starr living in the stations named after Ziggy Stardust are the rock and roll hippies and renegade punks of the future.
>>98803333>that absolutely detest Ringo music and ask those that partake in Ringo culture what they want to do with their livesMUDSKIPPER MELTY
Aside from incredible soda the Moon Mormons also export top-tier nurses and midwives.Oh, sure.They're all glowies to the nth degree, never delude yourself about that.But they're also the preeminent experts at low, micro and zero gravity healthcare, fertility and childbirth so the flagrantly evil conduct outside the hospital module is tolerated with gritted teeth. Finding a scifi nurse image that isn't extremely saucy, p*ckee slop, a robot or otherwise goofy is surprisingly hard
>>98803864>They're all glowies to the nth degree, never delude yourself about that.Worse than glowies the majority are proselytizers which in many ways is more annoying to the various corporate and government powers since it has a chance of breeding more mormons.
While no one seriously believes that there will be a massive nuclear exchange the 'duck and cover' drills have persisted in AAF schools.These are particularly important in the growing spaceborn population that inhabit the O'Neil Cylinders and the few belt settlements that are rated for long term juvenile inhabitation (the AAF considers a minimum of 3/4s gravity but recommends full gravity for healthy growth and development). The duck and cover drills in these schools cover more useful things like what to do if the gravity stops, how to patch a hull breach and other vital tasks to prevent large scale loss of life aboard a space habitat.
>>98803957>how to patch a hull breachGetting caught doing a fucky wucky with your allocated bottle of sealant is a canon event. It's a bright orange with the consistency of spray cheese so yes. Kids dare each other to eat it. It's also fun to play with because it has incredible tensile strength despite how runny it is.The right way to use it is applying gauze across tear then smearing sealant across that. This initiates the reaction to harden it into a seal which can later be sanded smooth and painted over.It's not idiot proof but boy it's close.
>>98803894Ah yes.The side effect of not wrapping it up nobody tells you about — Your wife might start to become One Of Those People.
A second Red Eye has opened on Jupiter giving it the appearance of a planet with two eyes. A space faring superstition is to never look at Jupiter directly else the planet curses you and your ship to never return to port.
>>98805078Another superstition states that your ship needs to be accustomed to where you want to go first. A ship that feels rushed makes mistakes so you better get everything checked thrice then settle everyone in THEN tell it where you're going and what you're doing there.It evolved as an expression of the very real concern for horrible safety culture, leaving behind crew and supply undercutting but took on a life on its own. This also means most ships are designed to host guests since you'll be expected to say your final goodbyes while already on the ship and stragglers might have to find a new crew cause if you can't be in time for the ship to get accustomed to you you'll probably be cursed.
>>98777722>PepsiCo owns an O'Neill cylinderit looks like a giant O'Neill can of Pepsi
While undersea settlements have become increasingly common in shallow waters on Earth, a true Aquapolis has only been attempted once. It was anchored in the Bahamas and was meant to be a luxury destination for wealthy international visitors, heads of state, business moguls and celebrities. It was utterly wiped out when a manageable Category 2 hurricane rapidly intensified into a Category 5 and landed practically on top of the city. The resulting loss of people, investments, infrastructure, and related business nearly bankrupted several corporations and caused a severe economic shock.
Forks are a thing of the past, they now use space-time bending teeth that create a wormhole directly to their mouths.
>>98805705>FTL in the setting set solely in the solar system>travel takes months in systemI feel like this breaks the setting a little too much.But forks are a thing of the past regardless, in space anyway. Spacers usually eat out of tubes and pouches, with only poorer spacers being forced to eat out of cans with spoons or the occasional spork.
>>98805644Much like how Pepsi owns a O'Neill. Animation studio Hanna-Barbera somehow became a pioneer in underwater cities due to series like sealab and jabberjaw.
>>98805500Gotta stick with a theme
Racoons finished self-domestication in the early 2080s and genetically modified since then.The 'Rocky Racoon' is the space side equivalent of a ships cat. Kept to hunt vermin, but also able to smell burning electrics, notice small changes in air pressure and eat basically anything rather than just meat.The 'Sly Cooper' strain meanwhile are generally considered a failure as despite being intelligent enough to learn basic sign language, they're smart and emotionally complex enough that they bond with specific humans for life and only ever re-bond with people who their human was close to, if at all.
>>98805500>Its internals however were designed by the same company that created the pepsiverse design doc, who have created an internal layout that would make Citadel Station feel sensible and pedestrian.>People get assigned to senior positions there as a form of punishment
>>98807209Redesign your stationEverything's connected
A common trait of orbital and spaceship personell is that they don't really Do eye contact unless absolutely necessary. Geometry, spacesuit use and tight quarters mean flipping around to look someone in the eye is wasteful or impossible especially while handling machinery.It's just one more thing that makes them kind of strange to the groundies
This is absolute kino, possibly the first good thread I've seen on /tg/ in years, and you niggers should put together an actual game set in it.
America actually scaled up the government cheese program with extensive auditing of existing stocks and a wider range of cheeses being storedThey also decided to introduce the colloquially named Bureau Bourbon i.e excess corn getting turned into liquor and stored for decades. People joke that the dollar is backed by alcoholism now
>>98808683I hate america SO MUCH.
>>98808311If someone was motivated enough to put everything into a document you could probably adapt Traveller fairly well to this sort of thing - take the rules from the mongoose adaptation of 2300AD (for the gravity rings and shit) and get rid of the stutterwarp.For your background skills you get one based off where you spent your childhood from (Ringo, Moonie, Mars, O'Neils, Earther), one based on nationality (AAF, USSR, 4CR, Unaligned, Corpo) and a choice between 0 and 2 based on education DM.You could adapt the careers fairly easily as well.
>>98803127There are currently plans for Quack Shack spinoff programs detailing similar subject matter on Earth, Luna, some of the larger O'Neil colonies, and Ceres in The Belt. Titan's government wouldn't agree to hosting the film crews, and anyone filming on Luna has a Mormon "Cultural Liaison" attached to them as a matter of course.
>>98808683Wouldn't it make more sense just to turn the corn into pure grain alcohol? Pure ethanol seems more useful.
>>98808731With the current state of tech, I'm willing to bet you could just throw a link to the thread at an AI and get a typed up setting document in seconds. Would need some revision to smooth out the odd post that doesn't mesh quite so well with the rest of the thread but it'd be quick.
>>98808941Actually I'm gonna try that for shits and gigs with my free tier claude.Damn, it didn't work. 4chan refuses AI bots apparently. Eh there's ways to do it but I'm not gonna try harder than that right now.
>>98808943No Anthropic is just weird.Have Gemini scrape the thread and output a .md file. Remove the overly optimistic post about Jews.Then use a Claude prompt enhancer to sharpen what you want of the robot, upload the .MD and go.You can also use chat.z.ai
>>98808941All true creation requires suffering.
>>98808965That sounds like a lot of work for 2am.The correct amount of work is none. Because it's 2am.Maybe tomorrow.I'm gonna play Rimworld and go to sleep.
>>98808970Good night o7
>>98808731Me here>>98808941>>98808943>>98808970I used AI to turn it into a setting document.It needs work and humans to have more ideas and edit it but what I have so far isn't that bad I think.storage(dot)to(slash)ePDnvfz4Adeletes itself in 7days
Salad refrigerates to a limited degree and thaws terribly. As a result on-site cultivation is a sign of sophistication and noticeable wealth.Having a small operation is comparatively simple but a truly well stocked salad bar expresses a next level of affluence.
>>98808935Bourbon is pure grain alcohol (other grains optional). We do that IRL but it has problems regarding engine longevity and having to be double subsidized when being added.
>>98809791I feel like most ships would have an onboard hydroponic garden. That also ties nicely into the aquaculture thing earlier in the thread. The added benefit of having live plants and fish onboard is that it would provide a much needed mental health boost. Oh and most ships use some form of artificial gravity. Either by centrifugal force or by constant acceleration.
>>98810188*centripetalJust found out there is a difference.If you've ever played Elite or seen 2001, that. Things spin.
Deflector shields and similar ideas are still largely the realm of science fiction, with some very early exception prototypes in government facilities. Navigational hazards like micro-meteoroids, ice formations, ship debris and other assorted space junk are considered enough of an issue to demand a response from space ship designers. The most common solution currently is the "shield wall" system, which incorporates large modular plates of metal or ceramic on extendable hydraulic arms around a ship. These are deployed in areas reported to have hazards and serve as a blunt safeguard against impacts. The modularity of the system allows for quick swapping of shield components at most space docks and easy patching to damaged shields. There is a significant art culture around these shields, with many sporting ship's logos, advertisements, personal designs, whole poems, religious quotes, and so on, treating them as a modern equivalent of an old sailing ship's figurehead statue.
Rastafarians are a surprisingly common sight on long-haul ships as hydroponic gardeners and cooks, being able to make a blend of fresh and canned ingredients taste luxurious with ease.
>>98809174Looking good.Please regenerate it into a markdown file to be more editable.
>>98801311>>98808731Cepheus Engine sound good?
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Titan owns the process for producing ultra light thermal, radiation and air tight composites through biochemical processes. This renders a panel as light as polyurethane and as resilient as a hand span of lead.
>>98811317Cepheus Engine has godawful space combat, a tumor it inherited from Traveller Mongoose 1e.At least there are many space combat systems to choose from these days
Setting so far seems fairly hard sci fi. Which I dig. Here's a curveball question sort of related. What's the total population in the solar system?Given the issues of reproduction in microgravity, being that it doesn't work at all as far as I'm aware, people would need to do the no pants dance on a celestial body or station for the gravity. I would think the bulk of humanity still lives on Earth. Something like 20 billion Earth, being supported with space resources and better tech, 1 billion space. Surface colonies seem like they'd take a long time to construct, taking into account the need to excavate habitats or otherwise find a way to solve the radiation problem, so most spacers would need to live on the stanford toruses and oneil cylinders and hollowed out meteors of the solar system.This too presents a radiation problem. So, in order to compensate for cosmic radiation being super high in space, most stations are outfitted with a sort of artificial magnetosphere. It's not perfect, but it's better than living exclusively on your ship where there's nothing. A side effect of all the radiation exposure is that cancer treatments are a routine thing and nothing really to worry much about. Aside from like blood cancer or super aggressive brain cancer.
>>98813919>Given the issues of reproduction in microgravity, being that it doesn't work at all as far as I'm aware, people would need to do the no pants dance on a celestial body or station for the gravity. I would think the bulk of humanity still lives on Earth. Something like 20 billion Earth, being supported with space resources and better tech, 1 billion space. Surface colonies seem like they'd take a long time to construct, taking into account the need to excavate habitats or otherwise find a way to solve the radiation problem, so most spacers would need to live on the stanford toruses and oneil cylinders and hollowed out meteors of the solar system.I'd probably peg it around 15 billion earthside - the nuking of india and perhaps a plague or two would reduce the numbers. Space side I think it depends on how long the O'Neil cylinders have been up - my personal thoughts would be around 600 million in the Cylinders, 70m on the moon, 170 million on mars, spread through the various domes in the AAF and USSR sectors, 50 million in the Belt, largest single settlement is 500,000 permanent residents and 50m or less beyond the belt. The missing number from our billion spacers would be various transients (Crew, Mormon missionaries, space salvagers etc etc.)
>>98813716I (>>98809174) was doing it in 2e mong traveller (because I have the 2300AD books in 2e) and because I think the space combat in 2e is much better.
>>98813919>. A side effect of all the radiation exposure is that cancer treatments are a routine thing and nothing really to worry much aboutYeah these >>98796011 >>98795989 suggest the standard is >Sir we've got an odd mass of tissue here, when can we swap the whole organ?IRL we're forced to wait and see or use chemotherapy because donor organs are rare and surgery recovery is fucky.Smooth that out and just not letting it get that far and tossing the whole thing might be preferable.
Due to the ease of feeding with snails, worms and aquatic plants duck is a commonly farmed meat on Mars.The fatty meat makes hotdogs are common sight around the solar system.
One of the key technologies in human space is that of the Neural Jack, this allows any operator to link with a compatible device and control it through thought as if it were part of the operator's body. This has found particular utility with pilots, drone and missile operators, and anyone who operates heavy machinery. The most common locations for the physical link are the back of neck near the nape (for easy access to the brain) and the wrist (to allow linkage to hand held devices).The Neural Jack can also link with other subdermal implants like AR rigs, communications devices, virtual input devices, subdermal rfids etc.
There's a few AAF aligned Stanford torii that are housing coops.The AAF is suspicious of them because that sounds suspiciously socialist, the Chinese and Russians are salty because the filthy capitalists out-communisted them... Voluntarily.https://www.rocketmortgage.com/learn/what-is-co-op
>>98813919>Setting so far seems fairly hard sci fi. Which I digYeah it's pretty interesting cause we didn't really set out to do it it just kinda happened.Maybe that's exactly why it works.>Population Yeah 20 billion could work.Maybe a little more. Nature abhors a vacuum (hurr durr) so more real estate would probably be a pretty good motivator for growth even in traditionally lower growth demographics.With a more hostile China and an ongoing space race the global economy is gonna have a much broader footing.>In this timeline the Rust Belt is thriving
>>98815604Another thing to think about, or at least something I had on my mind when I typed that up, was culture. Given the break point was Gulf of Tonkin, current time in setting is about 130 or so years after. So, if we're being generous about technological development and the space race going basically perfect, that gives us at most 3-4 generations of spacers. That's best case I think, like immediate space colonization starting in the 70s or so. More conservatively it would be like 2 generations, starting colonization in the 2020s. I think this means that, culturally, things wouldn't have diverged too far from whatever they believe on Earth. So something like spacers believing in a million armed space octopus that commands them to be cannibals and castrate the non-believers as a major religion on par with Catholicism would be a bridge too far. Plus, it seems like there was a bit of cultural stagnation going in, which makes things interesting. Hippies and punks are showing up right around now. Or maybe Ringos started popping up in the 2060s-2070s. Either way that's, roughly from our point of view, about 50 or so years of cultural stagnation.Am I too far off or pretty close? I feel like that gives us some very interesting limits to work with.Another thing. Did the British invasion of the 60s happen?
>>98815796Looks like the British Invasion still would have happened. Love Me Do came out in 1962 which is prior to the break. Hard Days Night came out in 1964, so Beatlemania was in full swing. I'd say this is relatively important because a lot of late 20th century culture is downstream of The Beatles and the 60s youth culture.
>>98815796>Did the British invasion of the 60s happen?Oh definitely.
>>98815927If so, then the implications for this post run counter to what was established in the OP.>>98773649The Single Convention was in 1961 as well, so that would mean this post >>98774711 might be at odds with the current timeline.I'm not trying to be an ass or start shit with these posts. I think its important that we straighten out the timeline to give ourselves a good base to work off of. This thread has a lot going for it, and if we keep working we could maybe turn it around into the next Expedition: Agartha as a fully realized setting and playable game.
>>98815796>Either way that's, roughly from our point of view, about 50 or so years of cultural stagnation.>Am I too far off or pretty close?The way I square it in my brain is that a lot of these things transmutated from movements into self sustaining subcultures. IRL Punks, goths, Battletech players and ravers for example existed well past their cultural peak. Hippies were a millenarist movement so they decided to give up and become office drones once easy wins didn't manifest but without Vietnam supercharging that they might set up a much more sustainable foundation.
>>98816144Let me try to make some bullet points to make it a littler clearer what I'm trying to say.>Beatlemania happened>single convention on narcotics happened>British invasion happened>therefore, hippies happened>Kennedy assassination happened>60s progressed as normal right up until Gulf of Tonkin>US involvement in Vietnam failed by 1 voteAfter that, we have a narrative gap in the setting. To give a specific date to the break, Gulf of Tonkin was August 2nd, 1964. Everything prior to that date happened as it did in the real world.
I'm gonna post some filk (sci-fi folk) in hopes someone gets inspiration from it. Seems like it fits the setting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MApwCxI6Oekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ryd_p20XEUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbs4Ei--Gk4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS0NUtRpyPA
>>98816184Oh wait I'm mistaken. Timeline diverged prior to gulf of tonkin.That means I get to do this.On November 22, 1963, US President John F. Kennedy suffered an assassination attempt that nearly ended his life in Dallas, Texas. Thankfully, he suffered only minor injuries and went on to make a full recovery.There, now we got some real spice to work with. Kennedy lived. That's the break.
>>98773562>The underground scene takes on a new form with people have small gatherings in space stations and orbital habitats normally off limits to regular civilians as a way for veterans who have become disillusioned to get away and express themselves.
>>98796199Where's the corner mirror to snort space coke off of?
>>98816229Neat find, thanks anon.St. Joseph of Cupertino was officially canonized by the Roman Catholic Church in the late 1990s as the patron saint of aviators and astronauts. Statues, shrines, and other paraphernalia honoring him have become so common on space ships, orbital stations, and non-planet settlements that he's achieved a status not unlike Santa Claus where even non-Catholics request his aid during tough times starside. He is often depicted in art wearing a "Catholicized" Apollo astronaut suit, or "Orthodoxized" Cosmonaut suit, for Soviet and Chinese spacers. Artificial gravity failures of any kind are typically met with the phrase "C'mon Joseph" is various tones, as his biography implied the saint hovered and pop culture extrapolated that to him thinking it's occasionally funny to make people float around like he did.
>>98768463brains can be boxed and/or racked, living out lives virtually interfaced to any number of virtual realities or teleoperating in reality
Don't you die on me
>>98772922God that reminds me of that Stargate where they trick a system lord to switch due to their good food and act like chicken was a rare and special treat. (Nothing fancy was done to it.)
>>98816653That cost extra, you can always just snort it off someone body and lie you were rape after being outed as a slut like that "Jane Doe" did.
China implementing and flaunting the introduction of the chicken nugget was one of many reasons Sino-Russian relations came to blows.They also took incredibly well to meat extension and TVP for obvious reasons
>>98814782Makes sense. Hot dogs, ground meat, other mince meat dishes would most likely be common due to getting "pure meat" as hard. In a setting I have. Cooking is a skill that's rare and often you have to be trained in a school as most food is just heat and eat or ready as is. Only if you're on Earth or a "Ranch" would you have access to animals or even plants outside of some basic herbs. Now meal prep systems are a thing, however you have equipment for that and most people kitchen is basically just "air fryer" and microwave. Stoves and ovens are specialized equipment.
>>98800374>>98800382>>98800436>>98800482Made a few Earther Slurs myself like for a setting I made a bit back.>Suitless (more for those who don't go to space on the net)>Mudfoot (More towards tourists and often said after saying "you got something on the floor" calling them out as someone who from earth or supports earth.)>Bubble baby/boy/girl (Again someone from Earth, though it's comes from a term for a often a kid in a bubble product. which is a brand of sealed ball/box that used for little kids over suits. Often said to those without a personal space suit.)I got to admit I am stuck between Crib Crawlers and the Banner of the Stars's Crawling Mudturtles as my favorites from the ones I didn't make.
I've added a bunch to the GPT doc (that I linked earlier.)I'm going to try and modify the Traveller Mongoose 2e rules (mostly because that's the one I have a physical copy of) while 'working' for the taxpayer tomorrow.
>>98819150>>98810829
>thread is still hereHoly fucking kino
>>98819223It will be markdown. I promise!If the thread dies in the next 24hrs I'll also make a continuance thread since I'm on korea time.
>>98819150>>98819248https://agent-design.com/blog/taste-skills-anti-slop-ui-agentshttps://skills.rest/skill/anti-slop
>>98819479You're going to have to explain this like you're talking to an old guy working a government job because I'm too stupid to get a real one. I just started using the ai stuff this year because it was mandated.I just run the python file correct?
The lunar mass driver is called the Silent Advocate. The Moonies claim It is a reference to the values of conscientiousness, agreeableness and understanding but observers have noted that war is a continuation of diplomacy by different means and that the mass driver just so happens to point at New York during certain times.Yes it's very Bungie LEAVE ME ALONE
>>98819248Should we just keep posting here until bump limit or what?
>>98815604I think it's a natural side effect of specifying everything is pre-FTL, which has a very different set of tropes from your typical galactic space opera.
>>98819691>The lunar mass driverHi, Robert!
Control of asteroids requires erecting a navigation buoy.
>>98767411If you don't have aliens, robots, lasers and/or space travel it might as well not be science fiction
>>98795948Weed is a massive addictive downer that makes people into useless potatoes. Plus, people FOOLISHLY think that weed has a calming effect, but really it makes a person very paranoid when they are not smoking, and when they do smoke it, but something is off. Weed is the drug of losers.
>>98829873Is this a new setting detail or schizoid delusion?
>>98829886>CIA glowies used genetic modification technology during its early years to try and undermine the spread of communism by reverse engineering hippies in the eastern bloc.>To do this they created Skank, a type of superweed with a cumulative chemical impact. It's designed in such a way that smoking a little results in the usual effects of pot, but more so, as well as obsessive impulses, mainly focused around authority structures. But smoke enough of it and you flip over into being violent and paranoid.>Their idea was to turn the youth of the USSR into paranoid, potentially violent, government hating, godless bisexual Manchurian candidates who would do nothing but smoke pot, talk bullshit and fuck, before they inevitably overdo it and become Unibomber types.>It's basically what Weed is claimed to be in Reefer madness>This Kush was so dank however that it quickly got loose into western markets, because the CIA are incapable of thinking of 2nd order consequences>The CIA covered all this up and keep weed illegal because making it legal would mean America as a whole admitting to the cover up and the existence of Skank>Most people still think Weed is entirely harmless because of the PsyOps the CIA engaged in to cover their tracks>The CIA was disbanded several decades ago over this, after the son of one President Skanked out in the White House and had to be taken out by the special services
>>98829886That's just weed. Weed is basically like cheap booze. Just getting you high and people get addicted to the feeling. Ask any user who does it normally and they say they have a hard time functioning without after a while. Though that being said anything used too much can fuck a person up mentally or physicality. They easiest way of figuring out someone is addicted to something, is if they call it self medication.
>>98767411>why does everything fantasy need magic or monsters?
