Chaosium is changing the name of Shub-Niggurath in their products. She is now Shub-Gorath. One reason Chaosium states is "feedback" they have supposedly received of Niggurath sounding too much like a slur, and another reason is that ever worsening automatic content filters all across the Internet are now sometimes triggering from Niggurath and Chaosium does not want to deal with it.https://gamefound.com/en/projects/chaosium/call-of-cthulhu-old-ones-origins/updates/13
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Taking bets on how long this thread is gonna get necrobumped this time.My money is on 13 - 17 days.
This thread is now about wizards.
the real news is thst AI content filtering is getting worse. An exception could easily be programmed in, but cost to do anythingnbut the bare minimum is unacceptable to those in power.
>>98773807Probably 8 to 10
>>98773788Sounds like an invitation to start using "Gorath" as a slur.
ah yes my favourite lovecraft monster, shub NIGGER WRATH
>>98773788Don't worry OP, I'll now be referring to her as Shub-Double-Niggurath to balance things out for you.
>>98773788LolLmao
Trannies really don't want you talking about this, huh.Well, her name is Shub-Niggurath, Chaosium has no say in that, and if I want to play a game set in Yog-Sothery, I'll make sure to avoid paying for new products to encourage this sort of thing.
>>98773788i feel the people who own REH estate might sue them over the name change since they're using the backend of REH creation Shuma-Gorath, and those guys sued Marvel over this name
>>98774155That is an excellent point. I look forward to another name revision
>>98774208Would serve Chaosium right. They're no strangers to frivolous lawsuits themselves.
sub-nigger
>>98773788Americans are such a patethic people.
I saw this coming years ago when they started talking so much about H.P. Lovecraft's cat's name.
>>98774482In fact, it surprises me they took this longer now that "woke" is dying and being ostracized.
>>98774482Niggerman wasn't Howard's cat, and he didn't name him. "Nigger," "Nig," and similar names were incredibly common for black animals in that time period, anyway.
>>98774155Someone should let them know that these dishonest thieves are infringing on their IP.
>>98773798I chuckled, thanks Anon >>98773788>>98773791I understand their reasons and I'm not going to bitch about it, but I still think it's extremely lame we live in a time when you have to do crap like this. And no way I'm changing it at my table
>>98774476>sub-niggerNow anon, what have we been telling you.Most of them prefer to be called 'Queen of Hearts' in public.
>>98774499Woke may be dying, but we are still entering the era of mass sanitization thanks to AI moderation and algorithms increasingly killing online visibility of everything that isn't wholesome and family friendly.
>>98774706Chud Nagger Rat.
>>98774783>Technocracy was wearing the "woke" mask all this time.
>>98773788Cowardice, and blatant disrespect of source material. May the Mother's blessed Young devour their souls with madness.
>>98774480Save yourselves, expel your Jews before litigation and lawyers become your arbiters of cultural norms.
>>9877491830 years ago moral guardians were censoring speech and media because it was "obscene." now moral guardians are censoring speech and media because it's "racist and problematic."It's almost like their objective is censorship and control of speech, and they justify it with whatever in the zeitgeist at the time.
>>98774992Oh hey, I found the picture I was looking for.
>>98774155I hate the rename but Conan should be public domain.
>>98775165Shuma-Gorath isn't from Conan, it's from Kull.
>>98775182Which was published earlier than Conan
>>98775258Nah, the story that names Shuma-Gorath was published posthumously.
>>98773788Speaking as someone whose politics absolutely would get me branded woke, this is fucking stupid. This is definitionally virtue signalling.>>98774480Chaosium is mostly ran by brits now.
>>98773839Wait a moment, these are hermit memes, not wizard memes!
>>98776203Pretty much everyone who profits off of Howard resents him and the fact that the only reason anyone is reading them is because they are pastiching his work.It's ironic that REH and HPL were both "saved" by jealous vandalizing hacks.
>>98773788I fully support removing every "Niggur" from the game.Seriously though, I don't give a shit. I'm going to keep using the real name and if they want to use a different one then that's their business.
Okay I'm going to start calling 'em Goraths now.
>>98776742>that's their businessIt'll be your business when they try to censor you for using the name as it is in the source material.
>>98773788Meh. IMHO I would've liked something similar sounding in the changed version. Shub-Gorath just takes out the 'ni' part but the best part of Shub's name is the second half being three syllables. It just sounds good. Shub-Gorath just sounds like a sort of generic baddy. Shub-Nahorath or something would work, I think. I don't mind ""censorship"" in this kind of property, it's not like H.P.L's book reprints are getting censored or anything, just some game based off of it. So, really, not a big deal.
>>98773907lol
>>98773788Just say Shub-********* like they do in any respectable video game nowadays
>>98773788I don't even need to read the article to know these woke scolds changed the name because they were pissing and shitting themselves about potentially having niggers running Twitter/Blueskies cancelation campaign because Nignogs cannot behyave themslves and chimp out at the drop of a hat
>>98776203Hi Sandy, I hope you are well.
>>98776203>It's most likely another way to lock to Sandy Petersens Cthulhu IP in another way so they dont have to pay him residuals for what he created for the Cthulhu game.I like Sandy and follow him on X, he tweets a lot and discussed his daughter has gone full woke and poisoned his granddaughter against him. You may not realize he is considered far right on Reddit/rpg.net etc.Unlike guys like Zak Smith or rpgpundit, he's been too successful to completely cancel. Sideline in some instances yes, but not to disinvite him from cons for example and that makes the trannies FURIOUS.
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>>98777400>I don't mind ""censorship"" in this kind of property, it's not like H.P.L's book reprints are getting censored or anything, just some game based off of it.>So, really, not a big deal.Vandalism to please mentally ill people is a pretty big deal. That's a 'no buy ever again' prospect for me.
>>98778735>ever buying anything from Chaosium in the first place
>>98778453Listen, I like Sandy as a game designer, but his family issues are much more likely due to the fact that he's a member of a fucked up cult than "le woke."
>>98778453It's a similar thing to Rowling. He's just too well-fortified to hurt now. He can be an annoying attention seeking blowhard, but it's nice to see someone in this hobby who just gives his actual, stupid opinions without glancing over his shoulder for a idpol death cult purity commissar.
>>98777426K***ht Artorias
>>98773788I have been reading Lovecraft for 15 years or longer now, and not ONCE have I made that connection.And I am constantly saying racist shit, so it can't be that I am just not "sensitive" enough to the topic.These people are seriously demented histrionics.
>>98773788Sheeeeeeit Niggawrath
>>98778744>Listen, I like Sandy as a game designer, but his family issues are much more likely due to the fact that he's a member of a fucked up cult than "le woke."Yeah, you sure showed him that you're not gonna fall for Magic Underpants by signing up for "let's steriliZe our daughter and turn her into a 5'3" man"
>>98778800Niggerman save me from Nigger Wrath!
>>98778453What is Peterson even doing these days?I don't think he's worked on a video game in a long time now
>>98778744He's based in a good way that the right should do more. Most of the right influencers are deeply steeped in culture war shit and the good ones are very aware when they're saying something that will trigger Reddit (i.e. everything), and they'll preemptively id it. Understandable. But there's another approach that doesn't even acknowledge "hey I know it's verboten to say due process is important and no other country has open borders". Again, understandable but it also gives the Redditors a sense of credibility. Peterson is the older school of just calling something fucking retarded and not even giving groomers the dignity of an acknowledgement.
>>98778797Who would have guessed the tranny karens that say everything is political and have been ruining ips with their corrections would do the same to lovecraft.
>>98773832Sucks to have memory issuesMost people prefer to gossip about other people and I both have nothing to say and I'm not interested in that.
>>98773798>Censorship is good, chud!!
>>98779129I don't necessarily mind talking about other people but in 99% of cases it's just negative goddamn bullshit and I'm already not a very happy person so why the fuck should I engage with that?
>98773807>98773813>98773816>98773821>98773823>98773826>98773829>98773832>98773836>98773839>98773898Lol, Redditors want to censor this thread.
>>98779007Basically he just acts like a normal boomer.
I wonder if Lovecraft would like the "AAA TASUKETE NIGGERMAN" meme.
>>98779185>Basically he just acts like a normal boomer.Not at all. The average boomer is super concerned about being called a Good Person on Facebook and their HOA meeting. They're the ones who handed over power to muds and women.
>>98773791>>98773788The enshitification will continue until morale improvements are the only available commentary allowed.
>>98773788ANOTHER ONE GOESANOTHER ONE GOESANOTHER SHUB-NI-->MRS. OBAMA, GET DOWN!
>>98773788This fucking ride never ends, does it
>>98778753nevermind he filtered malfoid I now consider him an enemy
>>98773788>Chaosium is changing the name of Shub-NiggurathCool, I'll just call him Thug-Niggerwrath now
>>98773788>>98773791>Shub-Niggurath>actually the name of a Cthulhu mythos creatureLovecraft was being cheeky here.It is cute when companies try to be progressive and say that Lovecraft was bad of it's time and all that while still profiting off of Lovecraft's work. Stop using Lovecraft's anything if you truly care lmao.>with that all saidIs it true that Lovecraft went back on his expressed beliefs as some say? How is Chaosium's BRP universal game engine core system?
>>98773788this cant be real
>shub-ninjurath>NINJAMAN HELP ME IM GONNA UNALIVE MYSELF!! IM SEWER SLIDING!!!!truly horrors beyond my comprehension
>>98773788Hilarious! Thanks for telling us. Isnât that one The Black Goat with a Thousand Young? lmao>>98778735I donât think you ever bought anything from them, you sound like one of those nogame rightoids who just comes here to get mad about identity politics, but thatâs fine this time. Thank you for laughing with us.
>>98775797A wise man once stated that there are only 2 true types of wizard: guy in tower pondering orbs and weirdo hermit
>>98778797lol, you just dumb.If you missed that then you might have also missed out on the fact that ebonics is niggardly (as per the respectable definition of âniggardlyâ, just stingy and withholding, like theyâre being charged by the syllable or something).
>>98782889I dunno how much he changed. But he was very bad at being Antisemitic despite him being identified as one. Had Jewish acquaintances toward whom he was cordial enough. Was penpal writer-friends with some other Jews. Married a Jewess.Hmmm. He might fit the "most racist man alive/his girlfriend" meme.
>>98783014Lovecraft was neither a racist or an antisemiteHe writes in his letters about his liberal views, didnt like the republican party and hated the nazis and thought antisemites were dumbasses and liked jews.He literally thought race didnt matter and was skin deep>but Lovecraft le changed later in life.Haha yeah very funny, he died young, so they were his adult views the entire time
>>98782928kek
>>98783069I see we are just making shit up.Also, lol at the idea that "if you hated the nazis you clearly liked Jews" like motherfuckers like Walt Disney didn't exist.
>>98783069His wife used to interrupt his antisemitic rants by reminding him that she was Jewish. That always pissed him off, which is funny as hell, the guy was intelligent and complicated (and profoundly afraid).
>>98783076Walt Disney did like Jews. Even his most prominent critics from the time say he wasnât. Or at least, he didnât care someone was Jewish in the way a lot of people at the time did. Many people who worked at the studio were Jewish and he had Jewish friends. It was even joked that âThe New York studio had more Jews than the book of Leviticus.â The Anti-Semitism claims come from the fact he joined the MPA to fight against unions and communists, and a lot of Anti-Semites also joined that, so there was an assumption that MPA = Antisemitic, and Walt was the spokesperson for it so he got lumped into that collection.Walt was just kinda conservative, but also so focused on the studio and the art, he didnât even realize World War II was happening in Europe until like Mid-1941.
>>98783304Walt Disney portrayed European culture and heritage in a positive light and celebrated it, that is the very height of antisemitism.
Some good wizard memes itt.
>>98776203Your probably right, but on the plus side it means bad things are happening to Sandy Peterson.
>>98783077to which he famously replied 'you are not a Jew, you are a Lovecraft.'
>>98783014Lovecraft's main thing was that he was incredibly autistic, incredibly neurotic, and incredibly paranoid about stupid shit. He despised minorities, the poor, and the mentally ill, yet was super obsessed about the arabic world and the ancient egyptians. He wrote a book about people fucking fish monsters to cope with how he was completely mindbroken to learn he had filthy welshman blood in him. He called his cat Niggerman only because that's what his late uncle named him and he thought it was cruel to rename an old cat after the years they spent being attached to an old one. He called Hitler a grand old lad but married a jewish woman and and had an entire letter network of writers that included Jewish people. Hell, he technically wasn't even the worst antisemite in his group of friends, Clark Ashton Smith and Robert E. Howard believed way worse shit than him. The fact he later wrote how he was outright embarrassed how juvenile and outdated his writing was, including his view of race, should say something about how the man was. Dude is like the prototype for a /pol/ chud in how weirdly contradictory and selective his racism and xenophobia was.
>>98783814>Robert E. Howard believed way worse shit than him.Not really>The fact he later wrote how he was outright embarrassed how juvenile and outdated his writing was, including his view of race,It's weird how people always parrot this, but they can never actually post the supposed letters where he said this.
>>98783771Which isn't how it works, since Jewishness is matrilineal.
>>98784548>"I can better understand the inert blindness & defiant ignorance of the reactionaries from having been one of them. I know how smugly ignorant I wasâwrapped up in the arts, the natural (not social) sciences, the externals of history & antiquarianism, the abstract academic phases of philosophy, & so onâall the one-sided standard lore to which, according to the traditions of the dying order, a liberal education was limited. God! the things that were left outâthe inside facts of history, the rational interpretation of periodic social crises, the foundations of economics & sociology, the actual state of the world today ... & above all, the habit of applying disinterested reason to problems hitherto approached only with traditional genuflections, flag-waving, & callous shoulder-shrugs! All this comes up with humiliating force through an incident of a few days agoâwhen young Conover, having established contact with Henneberger, the ex-owner of WT, obtained from the latter a long epistle which I wrote Edwin Baird on Feby. 3, 1924, in response to a request for biographical & personal data. Little Willis asked permission to publish the text in his combined SFC-Fantasy, & I began looking the thing over to see what it was likeâfor I had not the least recollection of ever having penned it. Well .... I managed to get through, after about 10 closely typed pages of egotistical reminiscences & showing-off & expressions of opinion about mankind & the universe. I did not faintâbut I looked around for a 1924 photograph of myself to burn, spit on, or stick pins in! Holy Hadesâwas I that much of a dub at 33 ... only 13 years ago?"
>>98784821>" There was no getting out of itâI really had thrown all that haughty, complacent, snobbish, self-centred, intolerant bull, & at a mature age when anybody but a perfect damned fool would have known better! That earlier illness had kept me in seclusion, limited my knowledge of the world, & given me something of the fatuous effusiveness of a belated adolescent when I finally was able to get around more in 1920, is hardly much of an excuse. Wellâthere was nothing to be done ... except to rush a note back to Conover & tell him I'd dismember him & run the fragments through a sausage-grinder if he ever thought of printing such a thing! The only consolation lay in the reflection that I had matured a bit since '24. It's hard to have done all one's growing up since 33âbut that's a damn sight better than not growing up at all."--Letter to Catherine L. Moore (February 7, 1937
>>98784821>>98784828Weird how this doesn't say anything about his view of race.
>>98784891Idiot.
>>98784909I think the real idiocy is the need to whitewash a dude who has been dead almost a hundred years. That shit is just as fucking stupid as renaming shub niggurath.
>>98784968No, not really. I donât compare dead people to nonexistent entities to begin with.
>>98773788>black goat of a thousand young uses a word that means black in latin, because it's the black goat>BUT WHAT ABOUT AFRICOIDSwhat indeed about africoids
>>98783814>weirdly contradictory and selective his racism and xenophobia wasIt'd be weird if racism wasn't selective. Different peoples are different, and thus earn different levels of disgust, scorn, and horror. It's literally what "discrimination" means.
I assume they've solved real racism, since they've moved onto imagined racism.Also, do anglos really not differentiate between -er and -ur, or are Chaosium just making shit up?
>>98785092Chaosium are just making shit up.
>>98785092Americans don't even distinguish between -er and -ard, as long as the word has the first three letters, it is a super-bad no-no double-plus-ungood word and saying it aloud is a crime if you belong to the lower caste.
>>98783688That's some basic bitch twitterfaggotry thobeight
>>98783069>Lovecraft was neither a racist or an antisemiteThat took me off guard. Proofs? Like beyond reasonable doubt level proof he wasn't racist or an antisemite?
>>98783076what making shit up? Wikipedia used to have a selection of quotes from his letters that showed he had balanced reasonable views. Of course last time i checked they scrubbed those from the page because they have to show a biased unnuanced one sided view of this dead guy.
>>98786941here >As a matter of fact, most of the psychological race-differences which strike us so prominently are cultural rather than biological. If one could take a Japanese infant, alter his features to the Anglo-Saxon type through plastic surgery, & place him with an American family in Boston for rearingâwithout telling him that he is not an Americanâthe chances are that in 20 years the result would be a typical American youth with very few instincts to distinguish him from his pure Nordic college-mates.This is a very liberal view on race eg nurture over nature, race is only skin deep.This aligns with many other comments he makes where he reject "blood" racism, like the ideology of the nazis. Instead he criticises culture.>Therefore it is wise to discourage all mixtures of sharply differentiated racesâthough the colour-line does not need to be drawn as strictly as in the case of the negro, since we know that a dash or two of Mongolian or Indian or Hindoo or some such blood will not actually injure a white stock biologically. John Randolph of Roanoke was none the worse off for having the blood of Pocahontas in his veins, nor does any Finn or Hungarian feel like a mongrel because his stock has a remote & now almost forgotten Mongoloid strain.With the high-grade alien races we can adopt a policy of flexible common-senseâdiscouraging mixture whenever we can, but not clamping down the bars so ruthlessly against every individual of slightly mixed ancestry.He doesn't believe in one drop racism rules and largely doesn't care if a person has ancestry that is mixed as any reasonable person wouldn't care.ill post more
>>98786941>>98786980>The same is true of other superior alien races including the Jewâalthough the Nazis persist in acting on a false biological conception. If they were wise in their campaign to get rid of Jewish cultural influences (& a great deal can be said for such a campaign, when the dominance of the Aryan tradition is threatened as in Germany & New York City), they would not emphasize the separatism of the Jew but would strive to make him give up his separate culture & lose himself in the German people. It wouldnât hurt Germanyâor alter its essential physical typeâto take in all the Jews it now has. (However, that wouldnât work in Poland or New York City, where the Jews are of an inferior strain, & so numerous that they would essentially modify the physical type.)Here again he rejects blood racism and supports his view that its cultural and even refers to the jews as a "superior race">But on the other hand, the Jewish radius contains many elements biologically equalâ& perhaps superiorâto anything we can boast. SpinozaâEinsteinâDisraeliâMendelssohnâMaimonides, & so on. Now any biologist knows that innate racial identity plays a damn small part in the moulding of cultural details. The culture a man has is not what his blood has determined, but what the massed impressions & traditions he has received have given him. Jewish culture is not a product of blood, but of historic accident. So is ours. Bring a Jew up in Aryan culture, & he will in the main be a real Aryan unless Jewish ancestral influences get at him⌠& a good or bad Aryan according to his intrinsic biological status.More admiration for high achieving high intellect jews.Again his fixation is on cultureill make one more post
>>98786941>>98787020On Nazis, communism, and rejection of totalitarian extremesLovecraft initially expressed qualified sympathy for some of Hitlerâs cultural goals (racial-cultural continuity, rejection of Versailles) but quickly criticized the methods, the suppression of science/art/free thought, and the crude racial biology. He grouped Nazi and Soviet regimes together as examples of dogmatic excess.Typical remarks include:⢠He called Hitler âextreme, grotesque & occasionally barbarousâ yet âprofoundly sincere & patriotic,â while adding that he himself was âfar from a Nazi, & would probably get kicked out of Germany for my opinions regarding the universe, the facts of science, & the rights of free aesthetic expression.â⢠He denounced the âcrazy scientific fallacies⌠such as one sees in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.â⢠He rejected both pure Marxist communism (for its scientific/philosophical âfallaciesâ and leveling of culture) and the actual practices of fascism/Nazism (book-burning, suppression of free expression, extreme racial policies), while still experimenting with labels like âfascistic socialismâ or ârational socialismâ for his own preferred system of ordered, hierarchical reform under something closer to a New Deal or gradualist model.In short, he rejected the totalitarian suppression of thought and science in both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, praised outstanding Jewish intellectuals by name, and insisted that the Nazi biological approach to Jews was scientifically falseâwhile still advocating cultural assimilation and limits on what he viewed as alien cultural influence. These views appear across letters to correspondents such as Natalie H. Wooley, Alfred Galpin, J. Vernon Shea, Robert Bloch, and others in 1933â1936.
>>98786980>>98787020>>98787025Damn that's impressive. He really wasn't that bad as "those ones" try to make him out to be.Where did you find these quotes so I can check if I remember to when I have excess time again?
>>98784968i think the real idiocy is the need to smear a dead guy because you are hysterically afraid of his popularity
>>98787055they used to be on the wikipage for Lovecraft. Last i checked they were scrubbed. I just asked grok to track them down (no way am i reading through all his letters)I literally just said "find me the quote where he says this"
>>98786930Why don't you post better ones then?
>>98783814>Clark Ashton Smithwhat were his political views? Unlike REH and Lovecraft I don't think anyone ever focused on CAS personal politics and then framed his entire body of work based on those
>>98777400They could have used her original Dunsanian name.>And I too felt that I would pray. Yet I liked not to pray to a jealous God there where the frail affectionate gods whom the heathen love were being humbly invoked; so I bethought me, instead, of Sheol Nugganoth, whom the men of the jungle have long since deserted, who is now unworshipped and alone; and to him I prayed.
"Oh look this 19th century white man held views typical of his time. Views that are still 100% correct today but we have to pretend they're wrong""You never see blacks with these kinds of views".Yeah, it's easy to not get criticized for your past views when your culture DIDN'T FUCKING HAVE A WRITTEN LANGUAGE. You're right, we can retroactively analysis your clicks and whistles and lines drawn in the mud with a stick, they didn't survive to the present.
so they just stole the name from Marvel comics ripoff of Lovecraft instead, wowie zowiehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuma-Gorathmakes sense since modern consoomers are programmed by Marvel movies
>>98787055His cat (that he didn't name) unironically does a lot of heavy lifting.
>>98784828Didn't his (ex-, if I recall?) wife at one point show one of his fans some later letters, which showed he hadn't changed all that much?
>>98773791Reminds me when nestle bought a local company and change the name of candy from Negrita to Chokita.No one here ever consider Negrita to be a slur, hell it was used as an affection term, till the retarded virtual signaling gringos show up. As a result now everyone associates the new name to a slur. So now every time someone uses Shub-Gorath I'll assume they are trying to be clever with a slur.
>>98787055If they are from his letters, they are likely on the wikisource, alongside his books.
>>98783688Did someone say wizard memes?
>>98790941in Australia we had a brand of beloved cheese called Coon cheese. It's named after the Cooning process invented by a Mr Coon.Till the retarded virtual signalling dagos showed up. They renamed it to Cheer, which is gay.
>>98773839>>98773836>>98773832>>98773829>>98773826>>98773823>>98773821What board is this?I found this thread in a google search.
>>98792786>this is what election tourists and r/thedonald rapefugees actually believe
Somehow I didn't know that Chaosium had a board games division. In terms of the RPG, the thing I actually care about, the PCs learning the true name of one of the cosmic entities should be a rare thing. Shub-Niggurath for instance has tons of names and is associated with any number of pagan fertility deities.
>>98776815Not a thing.
>>98791458Shoulda named it Champ Cheese.
>>98783069>He literally thought race didnt matter and was skin deepThis will be an interesting assertion to square with chapter 3 or 4 of Herbert West. The one with the Boxer.
>>98794855>learning the true name of one of the cosmic entities should be a rare thingEh, I feel like the names of these entities aren't that rare to come across. I don't think "Shub-Niggurath" or "Cthulhu" are their 'true' names but just one of the monikers these entities are known by, and thus wouldn't any more or less rare than their other names.
>>98779007>groomersLike the cult he's in?
>>98783069>didnt like the republican partywouldn't this before the southern strategy though?
>>98773788Why do faggots always try to historically co-opt figures and gaslight us into thinking "no he was actually a progressive hecking socialist". The guy's cat was named Nigger, and indigenous characters are often barbaric cannibal savages that committed human sacrifices and had the trope of "oh this savage actually knew something useful, what a twist!". "Hermmeerrgerd we like his setting but it's super problematic so we're fixing it goys!" Once again progressives are personally offended by fucking nothing, oh no the made up elder god name means NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER that's hecking problematic. No wonder latinos hate you freaks. Oh no the Orcs remind me of black people, better make them mexican!
>>98779007>due process is importantYou fuckers don't believe that. See: summary execution of American citizens on American soil that you all cheered for.
>>98773788HP Lovecraft changed the names of the Great Old Ones, Outer and Other Gods constantly in his own works. There's plenty of precedent for it. They didn't even need to announce it.
>>98795244Well we tried to have a conversation about stuff. you shot the guy in the neck over words.
>>98795244Due process for driving cars at people that
>>98795244Kek, this. Hit dogs will holler.
>>98795174I'd go a step further and say those names are supposed to be the best approximation our human mouths are capable of producing, like how more modern research has shown animals like dolphins and elephants have individual identifying call noises equivalent to names that we wouldn't understand.
>>98795258>some groyper shot a rival rightist>now we're going to summarily execute random citizens we don't like >>98795260Lol, still trying this lie? Also Pretti wasn't in a car
>>98795291Yeah we should deport the mexicans that shot him.
>>98795248This. The way people have everything memorized and quantified really goes against the idea of cosmic horror to begin with. >>98795258Mossad took him out with an exploding microphone because he had turned against Israel. A bolt action rifle round would have gone straight through his neck. And they literally went and paved the plaza the day after he died to destroy evidence.
>>98795709Why would Mossad fuck around with an exploding microphone instead of just shooting him?
>>98795754Same reason Bibi was waving around a cell phone and bragging about how everyone with a smartphone is carrying around a "little piece of Israel". It's meant as a threat because it echoes the pager attack used against Lebanese resistance fighters. Normies have long forgotten about it(if they read the news at all) but seasoned Israel haters remember it.
>>98795792no shit you dumbass antisemites are supposed to remember it. its a message to youAnd it wasnt a cell phone you lying stupid piece of shit it was a pager.
>>98773788Imagine giving a shit about what a company calls a pseudo deity in their niche ttrpg
can i get a shoutout for my god shub-nick-gurr-ath
this post by this redditor trying to explain how he pronounces it is unintentionally funny:>(Disclosure: I guess I'm in a minority here, but from the first that I ever read the name Shub-Niggurath, in my own mind I 'pronounced' it the, um, "bad" way. I mean, that's literally how the syllables are pronounced according to the rules drummed into me since primary school:>Ni followed by consonants without an "E" at the end of the word = used a short 'i' sound>gg = two 'g' sounds (or one hard 'g')>ur = "errrrrr" as in the Ziggurat of Ur.)
So they are changing the name of Shubby for a purely English related association ?Shub-Niggurath has no "sensitivity" issue for spanish, italian, german, french, swedish, polish and so on speakers."It's a problem in our own language so we need to change it for everyone"Losers...
>>98773788Unironically its a decent hook for delta green game, in-universe. >new cult leadership decide to be more accesible to modern audience, changes their deity's name>old guard cult grogs are offended by the idea>players get to investigate ongoing occult civil culture war
>>98786980Heâs saying that one drop of Indian or Mongolian blood does not necessarily destroy a white stock (in the way that one drop of negro blood necessarily destroys a white stock). It is the very definition of racism to say that some genetic stocks are better than others, and heâs still not implying that a full-blooded Mongolian should be allowed to live among civilized (white or culturally-purified-Japanese) people. Lovecraft couldnât be a âone drop racistâ because he viewed himself as having that one drop, so what we have here is the usual cope that you see from those guys, âat least I donât have any Negro in meâ.You are obviously astroturfing. Your post is not intended to trick any of the people who actually read your post.
>>98799986Shabby isnât particularly attached to the name, being neither black nor a goat (humans can only see the stupidest if colors), she just wants to transmit millions of memetic iterations of her favorite psalm without being censored by nannybots.
>>98783077>>98783771That sounds like dialogue that should be in a movie
>>98782889He was good friends with one of the (white) founders of the NAACP. I mean he did change over time, he stopped hating Italians after eating spaghetti. Lovecraft's views on race were very typical of his time and place, the idea that his racism was central to his character is due to general ignorance of Lovecraft or contemporary writers, and a grift who people who either want to sensationalize it since gossip sells, or grifters who want to delegitimize him because they aren't as good as him.
>>98800005god you are so fucking retarded. Imagine actually twisting the quote to fit your views. No he doesn't say that you fucking low iq dumb ass racist retard.In the subsequent quotes he goes on to say that he views other races as superior.If you are so hopped up on your own racism you twist an anti-racist statement into a racist one you have something deeply wrong with you.
>>98801842I donât think youâre tricking anyone. We can read.Is he tricking anyone? Show of hands?
>>98801842>In the subsequent quotes he goes on to say that he views other races as superior.Isn't that a form racism?
>>98773788Wait, they think Shub-Niggurath is black?
>>98795193lol yes. Rightoids are idiots.>>98805353Also yes lmao. Nobody back then would try to tell you that all nonwhites were equally trash, there was a hierarchy, different people would construct it differently but none of Lovecraftâs takes here were particularly uncommon (especially with respect to races that live in his neighborhood vs races that live elsewhere, I mean he outright says that the Jews of New York are of an inferior strain, Europe might as well have been Narnia to him).A lot of Lovecraftâs biases can be summed up by saying that he was an âanglophilleâ which has been the conventional wisdom on the internet for a long time. He viewed America as a mixed-up and degenerate manifestation of its European parents (both genetically and culturally), thatâs a common take even today.
>>98799986this guy games
>>98773788>There exists a designation, a blasphemous arrangement of syllables spawned in the black, interstitial voids between the stars, which no human tongue can shape without shattering the fragile vessel of the mind. The mere vibration of its cadence strikes the tympanum not as sound, but as a monstrous, multi-dimensional discordance. To articulate that unholy alignment of vowels and guttural friction is to invite an immediate, catastrophic dissolution of sanity. It is an acoustic abomination whose very structure defies the philological laws of our terrestrial sphere. Even a sub-vocalized thought of that black nomenclature acts as a metaphysical corrosive, melting the complex architecture of human intellect into a stagnant pool of idiocy, leaving the victim to babble in rhythmic, syncopated terror at things that lurk in the cyclopean depths of the cosmos.
>>98783069He was both and he was also right. Every criticism Lovecraft leveled at another race was true. His condemnation of Indians was not only accurate but prescient, I'm genuinely surprised he knew just how awful India were given that he certainly never went thereMoreover his assesssment of New York was if anything generous, it was a shithole then, just as it is a shithole now.Lovecraft was also impartial to Mussolini, he disliked Hitler because he thought Germans were retarded and Hitler was a goofball but liked Mussolini, something he and REH argued about. The less said about Jews the better, since their crimes are no laughing matter.>buh the RepubwicansBoth political parties circa Lovecraft's life would be completely alien to you. Chamber of Cuckoldry Conservatism was invented in the 1980s, modern Shitlibbery was invented after the Cold War. Theodore Roosevelt would've called Trump a niggerloving faggot and Obama a retarded communist bootlip.You don't have a history. You might as well be looking at political parties from medieval Venice and pretending you're part of one of them.
>>98773788Taking the racist undertones out of lovecraft is like making ragĂš a la bolognese without a soffrito.
>>98800090>He doesn't know what a true name isIf you can't even call a thing by it's true name, you have no leverage.That is occultism 101.
>>98805034you can read but you have no reading comprehension because you are a retard>>98805353no hes acknowledging that other races are just as good as "whites" or equal. So no hes not a white supremacist and never was. He WAS an Anglophile and critic of immigration Which he even criticised "white" immigration.>>98805486moron leftardI'll just post more actual Lovecraft quotes and watch you lyimg trannies squirm:>As for the Republicansâhow can one regard seriously a frightened, greedy, nostalgic huddle of tradesmen and lucky idlers who shut their eyes to history and science, steel their emotions against decent human sympathy, cling to sordid and provincial ideals exalting sheer acquisitiveness and condoning artificial hardship for the non-materially-shrewd [...]>[...] such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical âAmerican heritageâ [...] utterly contrary to fact and without the slightest foundation in human experience? Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead.>[...] I do not believe that the barbaric Republican point of view will ever be seriously regarded hereafter in the United States.>The background surrounding me (despite some wavering on my auntâs part in response to my repeated arguments) is solidly old-guard Republican, whereas I myself have been increasingly a left-winger ever since the advent of the depression began to force me into real thought on the subject of economic and political trends.HE STATES HE IS A LEFTWINGER BECAUSE OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION
>>98800005the fact you just ignore the statement lovecraft makes about nuture over nature eg race is skin deep, a statement 2000s liberals all the way through to 2010s would regularly make as a rebuke of racism. Which clearly makes Lovecraft a liberal. Means you cant defend your views, you are suffering cognitive dissonance because Lovecraft IS NOT the man you retards think he is.
>>98795288>I'd go a step further and say those names are supposed to be the best approximation our human mouths are capable of producingSpot on, old ones names are incompatible with human vocal cords and minds. For exemple, the name 'Cthulhu' is popular but in one of his letters, Lovecraft say : "The nearest approach I can make to spelling it in letters is KhlĂťlâ˛-hloo, with the first syllable pronounced gutturally and very thickly">>98795709What the hell, these water shouldn't be that deep...
>>98798414Anon, let me introduce you to the concept of slippery slope and why, if you love a setting, you should gatekeep even the tiniest shit
>>98809652I envy you. This is the kind of inconsequential shit you concern yourself with when you have no serious problems in your life.
>>98809048>no hes acknowledging that other races are just as good as "whites" or equal.Only some races, and only if you annihilate their culture (because god forbid you âthreaten the dominance of aryan traditionâ lmao). He was obviously a white supremacist, but also you donât have to be a white supremacist to be a racist. Again, this hasnât changed much, racists today will point to some distant race that they have no contact with (typically Japanese) and say âthose guys arenât that bad!â
>>98809766Holy projecting
>>98810205Thank you.
>>98774706Queen of Hearts is for Asian girls who are into BWC
>>98810031Does not matter what you think. The fact he states explicitly that race is only skin deep and culture and upbringing is more important and that there are races as good as if not better than whites (his words) means you are wrong Full stop.>japaneseyou really are just utterly full of shit you know that right? like if you actually read Lovecraft's writing you wouldn't be saying this ignorant crap you drive by sjw dipshit. To point this Lovecraft wrote in one of his shorts about an apocalyptic future where asians ruled the world.
>>98810031>aryanhad not yet been turned into a dirty word by the nazis you idiot and was quite commonly used by his contemporaries like REH.He was concerned culturally with alien cultures wiping out other cultures, so he was the human conservation stance. He witnessed this himself which is what most of his grumbling is about.Theres nothing "white supremacist" about that.Again he literally criticises white ethnicities.
"Gorath" is already taken
>>98798632Who the hell pronounces ziggurat like zigg-er-at? You wouldn't pronounce the city of Ur like Er.
git er done
>>98774693>I understand their reasons and I'm not going to bitch about it, but I still think it's extremely lame we live in a time when you have to do crap like this.Most reasonable take.People sometimes forget that game companies are fucking companies. They exist to make money. Controversies are bad for business.
>>98773788I mean yeah it absolutely sounds close to a slur are you retarded?
>>98817170So?I fail to see the point.Slurs will never cease to exist.And maintaining the taboo in theory only serves to preserve their offensive value, excepting where using it becomes a token of factional affiliation.Censorship is always a losing battle.Whatever term you come up with to replace a slur only inherits the meaning of the slur, which is based on being called after an objectionable thing.Renaming the objectionable thing, transfers the reference of the objectional qualities invoked BY the slur, to any replacement, by mere inheritance of a common base point of reference.
>>98823722this is how i personally find "nword" really funny. Because everyone knows what nword means. So it gives you free licence to say nword as much as you like.
>>98823746The shortest life cycle I've seen from "officially sanctioned terminology" to "hate slur" is with >"Bame".Go on, say it, put some emphasis and sardonic mockery into it.It also combines wonderfully into novel variants on traditional appellations, like "Bame-Brain".
>>98800090>>98808258but isn't anons point that shubaniggerwhatever isn't is true name regardless.
>>98812303Does not matter what you think. It matters to you, lmao.>The fact he states explicitly that race is only skin deep and culture and upbringing is more important and that there are races as good as if not better than whites (his words) means you are wrong>Full stop.Youâre adorable.>as good if not better thanWhat he actually says is that there are some races with features that might improve the white gene pool, provided that their non-white culture was totally annihilated. For instance, when he says that Germany should have destroyed Jewish culture and bred with their Jews, itâs because he wants a white Einstein (and einsteinâs gifts must be purely genetic, of course, heâs not going to concede that Jewish culture has any value or that it plays any role in producing Jewish intellectuals. Thatâs his cope and I respect it).>japanese>you really are just utterly full of shit you know that right? like if you actually read Lovecraft's writing you wouldn't be saying this ignorant crap you drive by sjw dipshit. To point this Lovecraft wrote in one of his shorts about an apocalyptic future where asians ruled the world.Yes, but he also said in one of his letters that Japanese is one of the races that could pass for civilized as long as you gave them plastic surgery to look white and purged all traces of the prior non-white culture. The fact that he thinks plastic surgery would be necessarily (or helpful) is insanely white supremacist. Theoretically, a person could arrive at that conclusion without being a racist (because that opinion is based on the assumed superiority of white culture), but no one ever does. People donât go down that kind of rabbit hole unless they have a broader racist paradigm to prop up.Also, lmao, where are you going with that? Werenât you trying to prove that he wasnât a racist OR a white supremacist?
Fuck you cocksuckers, the fictional entity representing degeneracy and failure should be renamed as Kike-Niggerfag. Say it with me, "kike, niggerfag". Anyone who flinched away from the name should be brutally tortured and burned alive IRL. If you can't say "kike nigger faggot" then you know who truly rules over you. These fucking things know exactly what they are doing, by removing the "stigma" (pattern recognition and history) on words and their meanings these creatures use to destroy the very wellspring of fiction.
>>98795248>They didn't even need to announce it.They did need to announce it, that's the whole point of virtue signalling.
