Oh god, we're going to die in 20 turns! Nuke it now!: EditionPrevious:>>98771868>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.png (embed)https://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png (embed)>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Green Bolas>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQFavorite alternate win cons?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98776745How so?
name some cute couples
I'm just gonna say itI fucking love lands, they're consistently the most interesting art in the gameI'm going to make some kind of land-based deck and you can't stop me
>>98776758how original
>>98776770How am I supposed to be a pretentious hipster while also maintaining an actually strong deckIt's hard out here
I just had a terrible idea
>>98776738>Favorite alternate win cons?I've yet to win by it, but I still run it.
So is there an actual deck that utilises my love of lands but also viable?
>>98776820Landfall is a viable strategy and it's pretty fucking broken.
>>98776820>>98776826This dude stomps if a pod can't handle it
>>98776738>TQDecking myself or opponents
>>98776830I have a friend who runs this, and even if you have removal for him, its still very annoying to deal with.
>>98776837oh you remove my omnath? ok I sac 5 elementals in response you die it fizzles.
>TQEven if it doesn't go off, you will still likely get 2-3 copies of wherever artifact you put it on.
>>98776840I'm going to be removing him in response to your first landfall trigger anon.
I play a mountain, tap it and shock you for 2 damage, your turn
>>98776862In response, I pay 2 life and cast Gut Shot, targeting you
>>98776858in response I put 10 lands onto the battlefield and sac my elementals gg
>>98776867Oh, we're cheating? I'm play great cumshot of disrespect.I stand up, jack off, and if my cum hits any playing card, I win the game.
alright bois, quick rules check and report in:I have leyline of anticipation, repay in kind on panoptic mirrorSeason of loss is being cast from suspend on my upkeepI cast dakr rit, mortality shift, resolvesopponent exiles my graveyard I cast time spiral opponent exiles my graveyard, resolves, empty nowseason of loss is still on the stackI cast opt, putting sire of stagnation on the bottomcast tunnel vision for sire of stagnationeach opponent loses 26 life and sacs 2 creaturesrepay in kind resolves, I draw, have no cards in library, 2 remaining opponents are at 2 lifehearthhull tries to win, cast persist on darksteel angelhe can't remove it, I'm at 0 lifemy upkeep, panoptic mirror triggers and kills himcan someone validate that this play is good? My table was completely confused about everything
>>98776874Judge, opponent is a bluefag
>>98776874When the fuck did season of loss resolve with what modes or did y'all forget that?
>>98776873I flash in a forcefield that blocks cum and it bounces off and all goes flying in your mouth.
>during your end stepUUUUUUURRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE DURING YOUR END STEP
>>98776900It was the 2 1 paw and 3 paw mode for the mill pay off
>>98776909Reminds of a player I had last week. He drew, then immediately turned his commander sideways at me. Tell him that I need to know if he’s going to combat, he has ureni. Huge fight over me tapping his commander with my thassa before combat.
Any other stories that totally definitely happened?
>>98776912Okay and how did you jnstant cast tunnel vision in the middle of all this?
>>98776916You're in the right, he skipped over a ton of phases and triggersMythic rare anon W
>>98776925no this shit definitely happens on spelltable there's an equal number of beligerent retards and faggoty redditors there.
>TQ This baby right here. It sucks but it's really funny when you manage to get it going
>>98776932I've done this a few times before thanks to Thunder Thighs.
>>98776903Jokes on you, I had a card in my mouth
>>98776927because I have leyline of anticipation, and I also have panoptic mirror with repay in kind imprinted on it
>>98776944I dont think you did anything wrong but there still feels something wrong Im missing
>>98776946I've seen 3 fedora class nerds in person at my LGS in Austin. Not to mention that there are ethots in random pods, so I've seen stupid shit like that in person.
>>98776754I like these two.
>TQWon with Chance Encounter after getting 13 counters from a single Zndrsplt combat trigger with krark's thumb and drawing into Stitch in Time today. Got accused of having it beforehand but sometimes you just have to rely on luck.
My LGS is good because there's a regular 6ft, gigachad, feminist, Black, Brown, BIPOC supporting, Palestinian ally there, and I see him every time I look in the mirror
>>98776953I don't get that, wouldn't you gain 0 life?
>>98776964>As the turn began
>>98776946Actually this was me she actually fucked me after it's real you gotta protect women guys
>>98776968uhhhhJudge, opponent is making me feel inadequate due to my illiteracy, I would like to request him disqualified
I always thought I was an autistic, asocial weirdo, but I went to a commander night the other day, played with women, and it was great, I didn't say or do anything cringe, we were laughing, it's like being outside is good
>>98776950That's kind of what was bugging me, I asked ai
If your commander does infect, does he do commander damage+infect, or is that commander damage replaced with infect?
>>98776950>>98776944at what step did Season actually resolve? I assume that's how darksteel angel got there.I also don't think anything wrong happened, what's the confusion people are having?horrific game that went on long enough that you have (1 - 3 + 7 + 6 - 6 + 1 + 6 + 7 + 2) 21 mana available in blue/black
>>98776990Infect doesn't cause damage, so can't commander damage them out. Damage is replaced by that number of poison counters.
>>98776997This, and frankly it's not like you need any help counting to 10. Poison is more relatively powerful in EDH thanks to higher regular life totals.
>>98776997>>98776990yes, you can commander damage kill with skittles in weird cases. infect/wither deals damage, but it's in the form of counters and counts as combat damage.
>>98776997>Damage is replaced by that number of poison counters.Damage is still done anon. It's not prevented in any way. If you do 9 infect damage with your commander, then your commander is dark steel mutationed, and then your pump it up to a 12/13 and still hit that same player, they will die to commander damage because that commander still did 21 commander damage even with 9 of it being put in as poison counters.
>>98777041>Against my willA) I would have asked you if you were okay with it before we played, and B) You are free to leave the table at any time.
>>98777041Probably because the type of men (you) flashing that gooner shit are more threatening than the typical faggot, and no not in a tough way, in a gross way. Haven't seen a gooner proxy user IRL who didn't smell weird. Bearscape fags are just obnoxious gays, but not creepy.
>>98777116Skin not green enough.
>>98777123Yeah, friend wanted one that wasn't a goblin.
>>98777119Anyone who uses the term gooner doesn't go outside for a startSecond, considering the kind of fans nu-mtg has cultivated, they'd consider Linvala to be a "gooner" card
>>98776873>cheating
>>98777164You're going to have 10 creatures on board, and that when you first play your commander?Extremely unlikely./
>>98777174If you have something that untaps lands coming into play you just need 1 creature and 1 open mana
Is turbofog a thing in EDH?
>>98777222It is when you're playing.
>>98777229Wait fuck. Ignore me. I read that as "turbofag"It turns out I am the turbofag.
>>98777231An attempt was made
>>98777231
Am I retarded, isn't damage dealt via power anyway?
>>98777231many of the mtg playerbase are turbofagsso you are actually correct, just not in the way you initially thought
>>98777242Your 10/1 will not die to a 1/6 with this thing.
>>98777242damage is compared to a creature's toughness to see if it is lethalthis makes damage be compared to a creature's power to see if it is lethal
>>98777242bolt doesn't kill zilortha, make a wild guess why
>>98777242It makes it so that power is used in place of toughness for your creatures for the purpose of determining death due to damage. Note that this doesn't save them from having 0 toughness.
I want a commander that let's me play all the gearhulks and synergizes with them.
>>98777337this guy
>>98776738Guys, I want to make a fun deck with pic related. Got any ideas?
>>98777354lands and cards that say landfall
>>98777354if you have the money, either use the UG companion and go full rampif you have a low budget, make a landfall/clue deck
My friend has gotten tired of playing green super mana ramp and is now trying to run mld in our pod. I straight up told him I'm not playing against that deck. I don't give a shit. Mld is so fucking aids and I don't want to deal with it.
>>98777375I feel doctor who has made 2-4-7 commanders that aren't 3C kinda sus
>>98776990Commander damage requires 21 (or more) points to be *dealt* by the same commander over the course of a game (903.10a)Infect is an ability that changes the result of damage *dealt*, from losing life to gaining poison counters (702.90b)Ergo, because creatures with Infect still deal damage to players, commander damage is still added
>>98777222It is, but it's tricky. You either need a repeatable source or a great draw engine to avoid running out
>>98776837I lost a game just recently because I forgot about his second ability and played a boardwipe when my opponent had like 5 tokens
>>98777242You are in fact retarded. The effect specifies lethal damage, the threshold at which damage marked on a creature results in its death, and not damage, the quantity inflicted by effects & sources that marks creatures, reduces battle & loyalty counts, causes players to lose life, and numerous other results brought on by abilities
>>98777354why waste money on a shitty commander?>>98777408not him, but if i use a bolt, it won't kill it, right?
>>98777341What's up with the hybrid mana thing lately?
>>98776738>>Green BolasAcceptable, carry on.
>>98777440
>>98777443Yui's wisdom is humbling.
>>98777433>if i use a bolt, it won't kill it, right?Correct. Bolt marks 3 damage, but because Zilortha changes lethal damage from 3 (as determined by his toughness statistic) to 7, the bolt doesn't kill
Would Zilortha be a good commander for a Gruul stompy big guys deck?
WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT
>>98777382https://moxfield.com/decks/aFRb0fmmWE2R_nKF6uWKkAjust put a quick slop list together it's fun
>>98777513Don't see why not, considering he enables high power/low toughness creatures
>>98777534The unfortunate result of >"Hey what if we made Laboratory Maniac but good?"
>>98777538As it turns out, Lab Man was not a good card design.
>>98777540As a meme? NoAs anything even vaguely approaching competitive play? Yep. Turns out decking yourself out is easier done than said
>>98777534It's a powerful blue card so it gets a pass.
>tfw discover cascade cascade discover cascade
35 days until Star Trek
>>98777564>clock in for a shift at the magic factory>google "big dinosaur in forest">slap it on a green card>write "cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade, cascade">clock out with the satisfaction i helped magic become even better
>>98777534blame mark gottliebhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-preview/word-heist-theros-beyond-death-caper-2020-01-07
>>98777580I swear to god the green design crashout will be even worse than the blue one
>>98776745Duel Commander is objectively superior to 1v1v1v1
>>98776754me and Queen Marchesa
let's be honest most cummander games are effectively 1v1v2 or 1v3
>>98777631Really??
>>98776953>not playing Sengir + Ikra Shidiqi
Life sucks, and I'm forced to play a pretty fun game with socially awkward neckbeards who think winning is the ultimate goal. Why can't anyone build for fun? I have to sit and watch idiots use demonic tutor and dick around with their deck because they're too stupid to know what they need to tutor. I don't even want to win but I win based on piloting skills. I will sit and watch someone tutor for their "bomb" but then have 4 lands no rocks on turn 7. Am I in Hell? Is this punishment to sit and watch people misplay good cards 24/7. The most fun I've had playing commander in the past 2 years has been with an all precon game, because it forced everyone to play smarter with a shitty card pool.
>>98777650Garfield
>>98777650post list so we can tell you why you too are a socially awkward neckbeard playing to win
>>98777650have you considered bracket 1 if you don't want to play to win?
>>98777653bracket 1 doesn't exist>>98777652the only list I have is my fringe cEDH tryhard gay commander that I built to fuck with cEDH retards at my lgs>>98777651sure
>>98777661post the list, NTA but I'm always keen into spicy brews in high-power commander
>>98777661>the only list I have is my fringe cEDH tryhard gay commander that I built to fuck with cEDH retards at my lgsthe plot thickens
>>98777666>>98777670https://moxfield.com/decks/wuyKNdh1mEyRHI64U-e33w
>>98777661>>98777675>i hate playing people who want to win>oh yeah here's my tryhard attempt to win at cedh
>>98777670>>98777666it needs a Bayou, Yawgmoths will, dino sheppard, and mana vault to be officially "tryhard fuck you" but it's ever changing
>>98777680My main decks are mono white vehicles and battles. My high power deck barely gets played because it isn't fun to win all the time.
>>98777691>mono white vehicles and battles
>>98777675>>98777686Not sure if I'd have fun playing against thishttps://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marchesamadnessmonarchy/
>>98777686>no cradlecmon man it's the best card in any green deckalso would benefit from cutting a few lands and adding fast mana rocks and 5 more tutors minimumin b4 though it would be cool, would play against
>>98777650>fun and winning are oppositesLOL
>>98777696>yes, I'm playing a Crop Rotation, Sol Ring AND a Dark Ritual, why do you ask?
>>98777696My deck is entirely real even the arts in moxfield. I can't justify proxing a 1,300 card that just wins on the spot. that's why Bayou, Yawgs will haven't been added yet. my other decks are proxied this is just one money pit that I'm trying to make as good as possible.
>>98777704those cards should all be banned btw
>>98777708wait, just lemme proxy a Mox Ruby, Mox Onyx and Mox Diamond
>>98777712those cards ARE banned btw
>>98777695I can respect the mardu queen bros.
>>98777705crazy how I felt being 'too late' when I bought cradle for $600 and now it's doubled in such a short time
UH
Despite Izzet flavour text being extremely reddit, I still like the colour combo
>>98777720>>98777696>>98777666>>98777670pathbreaker ibex isn't in the deck anymore hall of echoes took it's place I forgot that was the recent change.
Genuinely what's the point of the new Emrakul, it does nothing
>>98777794In universe magic sucks get with the program
>>98776925I unironically saw someone have a meltdown over someone else playing picrel. Like straight up stood up and said "that's not a real magic card" and demanded they replace it, insisting the person was playing it just to piss them off. End result after lots of tism is they conceded and got on their phone to complain on Reddit.
>>98777807uh ZASEDUB is not magic
>>98777807if this was any artifact I'd play it
>>98777807Got you senpai.
>>98777164get that gooner proxy off my table! judge!! maro!!!
>>98777379pussy
>>98777379MLD makes people seethe? I'm playing it
>>98777435They're preparing us for the hybrid mana change that's coming circa october 2046
>>98777867What's happening?
>>98777871hybrid mana will now count as the opposite color identity
>>98777863Have you been living under a rock?
>>98777871In 2046 hybrid mana will count as mono color for the purposes of color identity and deck building. I've hybrid r/w can go in mono w or mono r
phyrexian mana will be playable in white, green, and black (the colors of life gain)
>>98777889Mental misstep should be in every deck, it's how it supposed to be
what a unique dilemma
>>98777907If Mental Misstep is seeing value in your playgroup, everyone involved deserves Mental Misstep being in every game.
>>98777807their only real crime is using reddit, but it is a capital one
>>98777807This card triggers apartment renting millennials.
ARESWE MUST BE BETTER EDH PLAYERS
Anyone got a recommendation on a primal surge commander?Something cool and autistic I want to do is have all my commanders be from different planes and I already have Savra as my Ravnica representative so Ruric Thar and Nikiya are out of the question, and I currently have Eshki as my primal surge commander but I really really like that Elsha that makes monks on contact based off her power so I am thinking of making that and that would be my Tarkir representative.Preferably in any combination that has gruul in it
>>98778000>an adult would never say that>an adult said that>he's not a TRUE adult
>straight white males aren't allowed to talk about their partners, sexual desires, or display themOK fair enough>however if a tranny or other alphabet mafia faggot comes and starts talking about that shit then it's just heckin wholesome and progressiveNo get fucked
>>98778064You can tell how adult someone is by the amount of Funko Pops he owns and how much he likes Nintendo.
if libtards didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards at all
I always thought I was a leftist, I believe in workers rights, anti-authoritarianism, pro-environment, pro-equality, but other leftists seem absolutely insaneI'm politically homeless and I play gruul
Hellions > Wurms
this card fucks
Does everyone just not play with mana lost between phases? I don't think it's ever been brought up in any game I've played
>>98778107are you still on about this
>>98778118I'm getting paranoid I've cheated the last 10 years of magic
>>98778122it's ok we forgive your retardation
>>98778098All the legions muses are pretty good, with Seedborn Muse being the obvious standout.
>>98778107>>98778122Guess WotC just decided to do a silly one.
>>98778138it was too expensive and zombie tribal relatively too niche but it was in my precon
>>98778076Hi, Gruul :3I'm playing Mardu, do you wanna play Duel Commander?
>>98778154Give me the rundown on how to use it and I will
>>98778143That's pretty excellent flavour text for a modern magic card
Don't get me started on the flavour text90% of it is some retarded sarcastic quip
>>98778157Uhhh, you start with 20 LifeI think that's it
>>98778175That's why it's worth remarking on the good ones
>>98778175
I look like this and say this
>>98778214Really, nigga?
bruh
>>98778221That's me when I see a tranny in my pod
>>98778229understandable that Version of Unholy Strength sucks tranny dick tho
I got a chance to play with the Jace Reality Fracture precon this weekend, and I like it a lot. I unironically love how top-heavy it is. You ramp up with mana-rocks, and then start playing big-boys. I also love the gameplan of making some shitty tokens, and then trading them up into big-boys. Also the fact the big-boys in question are all member-beries from Magic's past. It is a fun deck, and it did a lot better 'out of the box' (unmodified) then I thought it would.My favourite play from when I played this weekend was when I did a "board wipe, but also make tokens for me" effect from White Sun's Twilight, and then the turn after I played Synthetic Destiny to upgrade my tokens into a squad of big-boys.
REPRINT MINDSCULPTOR
>>98777222I'm sure it is, been trying to make one with picrel
>>98778340>didn't understand why this commander was good>a few turns later she hit me for 19 commander damage
I cast Mindslaver, taking control of (You), and you concede and give me your deck
>>98778380I activate Lethal Vapors 10,000 times.
>>98778425I kind of understand the combo, but wouldn't there be a response period after the person says they pay 0 mana for the effect? Because we truncate it for simplicity, but technically it's "I pay zero to activate the effect, response?" and do that over and over
>>98778435You can hold priority with every single activation so your opponents don't get a chance to respond until you do it 10,000 times. After that point there's 10,000 activations on the stack that still haven't resolved. At that point there's only a few cards that can even try to answer it, and none of them are particularly good (and you can respond to all of them by just activating Lethal Vapors another 10,000 times).
Oh yeah? Then we're both going to sit here until every single action resolves
>hate combo for over a decade>start using it to keep my favorite legends relevant>kills all interest I had in the formatFuck...
>>98778447Easy to do in paper desuOnly a problem on mtgo
>>98778005Yeah, the Gruul ones aren't all that good, sorry. Dromoka's pretty good with it, as she locks your opponents out of stopping your combo
When passing priority wit stuff on the stack, does priority always progress onwards in turn order, or does it go back to the active player once someone does something?As an example: Player A (active player) passes, player B passes, player C does something then passes, and players B and D both want to respond to player C. Does priority pass onwards to player D for their action, then A, then B for their action (who gains extra info from player D doing something), or back to player A and then B for their action before player D gets an opportunity?
>>98778469The latter is correct in both instances. Whenever something is added to the topmost of the stack, player responses always go in APNAP order
I updated the rats list. What do people think? The cost of cards means very little to me as I'm proxying it/playing it digitally anyways. My "pod" don't care as they all do the same.https://moxfield.com/decks/moGLjF8CIU2cy6NbvfWF_A
>>98778500Hell yeah Multiply by zero seems hot i gotta make sure I get one next time I draft
>>98778533Seems like a good removal card to me. I'm tempted to take out necropotence for imperial seal for another source of thrumming stone but necropotence just seems so good for card draw.
>>98778537Imp seal is card negative and this isn't a combo deckId play Insatiable Avarice over it personally
>>98778500Cabal coffers, yawgmoth tomb of yawgmoth, expedition map
>>98778691If you are doing that may as well deserted temple and nykthos And if you go that far, may as well go exsanguinate and rings out brighthearth
>>98778425Without Tefari's or grand abolisher? You absolute chad.
>>98778495Okay, thanks. So there's a potential situation where player D could be locked out having priority for a lot of the stack if the prior players keep interacting?
>>98778452>Claims to hate combo>Plays a format where all the rules that define it favor comboGo play 60 card formats where life starts at 20 if you don't like Combo formats.
>>98778071>Funko Pops are gay>Nintendo is low key basedReminder that PC is the defacto tranny platform.
>>98778852even then there are combo decks in every format except maybe pioneerI personally don't hate any strategy as long as it is striving to win the game
>>98778835Oh shit I got it wrong. Whenever anything RESOLVES, priority returns to APNAP order (117.3b). Whenever anything is put on the stack & the player passes priority afterwards, it goes to the next player in turn order (117.3d). Sorry about that, anon
>>98777871Doesn't work according to the rules. I almost always hate the "spirit of the format" shit people vomit out to excuse browbeating pods to cater to the whims of retards that refuse to learn how to play, but color identity is LITERALLY one of the major pillars that defines this fucking format. If your Commander doesn't share a color of a card, it cannot be in your deck. The whole format is built from the ground up with the deck restriction explicitly in mind. If you don't want card restrictions YOU SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING FUCKING COMMANDER.
>>98778874Okay thanks for checking. Did you just do a search of the comprehensive rules for terms like 'pass priority', or do you remember which sections cover that?
>>98778882When it happens are you going to piss your pants in a rage, and throw tantrums at your lgs like chris-chan?
>>98778882>I almost always hate the "spirit of the format" shit people vomit out>but when I do "spirit of the format" shit it's totally valid!get over yourselfhybrid will change and you'll accept it just like you accepted>sen triplets being able to run city of brass and co. to generate off color mana>tuck change>commanders dying being allowed their gy triggers before going back to the command zone>UB
>>98778896Na, I'm just going to point out how it very clearly and obviously doesn't work, and force them to city the rule that allows it. Remember, Can't supercedes Can, and you can't put cards in your deck that don't share a color with your Commander.>>98778897See above.
>>98778922>Can't supercedes Canexcept when you can lose the game via conceding despite platinum angel telling you you can't lose the gamewotc made the rules, they can unmake and redo them as they see fitwe will witness your pants-pissing raging tantrums at the lgs with great interest
>>98778890Bit of both, actually. I was a bit doubtful after posting, so I did a quick check under the Timing & Priority section and after a twice-over I realised I was remembering it wrong
>>98778932>wotc made the rulesNot in this case, now they want to butcher them
>>98778890nta, if you google "mtg wiki"+whatever the wiki points out to the rules on that specific thing>https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Timing_and_priority
>>98778964you will not be laughing when they change the rule in october 2046
>>98778964the only ones that can put commander rules in the Comprehensive Rules is wotc, guess what they can change those rules however they wanti suggest you find a way to gain the wisdom to accept things you cannot change while you still have time
>>98778200I loved this card and Butcher of the Horde when Khans block was standard legal. Sad that both cards suck in EDH and are powercrept now.
>mfw wotc changes rule 101.1 and my opponent has to sit there watching me jerk off my non deterministic storm else risk legal action
>>98778974>>>>>>>>>>>>fandomshig dig
>Dah sanctity of dah rulez! Dah sanctity of dat formut!>So anyway, these are my partner commanders and I combo out turn 1
>>98779020
mindbroken
>>98778852I fundamentally disagree with this characterization of the format both currently but especially historicallyYou need not look farther than published decklists to see why
I tune my decks so that they win exactly 25% of the time in pug matches Its amazing how shit a deck can be if this is your only goal
mental illness postmental illness post
do you think being pleasant to play with correlates with being pleasant to be around irl?in my experience it does, angle shooters, spite players, and pubstompers turned out to be not so good hang buddiesthe only exception to this was my lgs tranny, very pleasant to play with (cool decks, matches powerlevels, doesn't get mad at removal) but insufferable out game
>>98779140I hope notI'm a HUGE prick when I play MagicI like to think I'm a chill dude aside from that
seems I'm retarded I thought this card would be much more expensive
>>98779140every kingmaker in our group is the most generous guy towards me irl but not in game so idk
>>98779181Id play it I love little value cards like thisbut it's ub
>>98779181it's not bad but there are just too many staples to make a dent at this point
Post overcosted cards that still slap
>>98779192I mean, it's the Hobbit. Not too bad
>>98779229You can mean whatever you want, I'm never going to cosign your insane rambling
I love brawl.
In every other format of the game, cards with hybrid mana are explicitly easier to play on account of requiring one of two kinds of mana per pip. Only in commander do these cards become more restrictive based on arbitrarily changing their "OR" behavior to an "AND" behavior.The change would be most helpful for mono-color decks who may be given access to some secondary or tertiary color pie effects by the change, but more importantly would not be locked out of their primary effects by cards that feature other colored pips. A good example is Memory Sluice, a card that could very well have been printed U, but was printed U/B explicitly to be made easier to play. My Mono-U Mill deck cannot run it. There are 10 hybrid mill cards all unavailable to my deck that could otherwise run them without changing the land-base or producing any different mana but for the problem that there cannot be any food touching on people's plates.We return to Manamorphose "problem"; if these hybrid cards would so horrifyingly damage the sanctity of the format, why aren't they being played in the decks that CAN run them? 3.21% inclusion; and I suspect most often in cantrip goodstuff where 98% of its purpose is to bump storm count and trigger and draw a card "for free", and with 1% is to manafix for 5c and the other 1% to be copied to multiply mana as bullshit.Outrage over 'sanctity' of color identity is performative concern trolling and ought to be ignored out of hand.
>>98779269So true sisterEdh is a different format so things work differently on purpose
Who's the best flicker commander?
>>98779269>The change would be most helpful for mono-color decks who may be given access to some secondary or tertiary color pie effects by the changeSo you don't want to play EDH/Commander. Find a new format.
>>98779300I like bragoMy friend played roon when he was new and that shit was obnoxious
>>98778000>browsing 8 year old Reddit posts to screen cap for 4chan (You)sGrim life you're living there anon.
>>98777222a friend of mine had this meren deck that could get spore frog every turn cycle
>>98779317Reading the post explains the post retard-kun.Also I was here first, so fuck off.
>>98779269this spin again?in every other format, color identity doesn't existin every other format, you can play noxious revival in every deckyou can babble all you want about phyrexian mana bein a design mistake or whatever, but your argument still crumbles under two simple truths
>>98779269Color restriction is the only thing keeping commander interesting. Magic's lack of a heavily constrained color pie is one of the worst parts of the game and it ensured there would be truly unique identity or flavor in the game right from the start. Hence why they now have to rely on UB to generate interest in the game, because Magic itself is flavorless slop.
>>98779269The only argument that makes sense is that the brain dead designers find it too hard to actually do their jobs without abusing hybrid mana
>>98779300Yarok is great, but if you just add the most common or efficient staples then it's a tad dull.
>All it boils down to is "we must suck sheldon's dead cock at all costs!"Every time.
>>98779395Give it up, Rosewater. I have the high ground!
>>98779356>in every other format, color identity doesn't existIn almost every other format, it's not necessary because the decks are naturally significantly more consistent and anyone trying to play a slower, 5-color deck would be naturally punished, but even then they still appear from time to time.In EDH though, the speed was much slower thanks to how decks were constructed, and without color identity the majority of 3-color decks would just opt for more all-color lands and mana rocks and function as 5-color decks in order to take advantage of being able to run powerful Always-Good cards like Rhystic Study or Cyclonic Rift. Originally, EDH was actually built around having to choose one of the 3-color Elder Dragons, and without color identity most of the decklists would have begun to blur together to take advantage of the best cards in the format while many were already running the requisite all-color rocks and lands to play them. Color Identity in EDH was never about Hybrid cards, and weren't a factor involved in why Color Identity came about.
>>98779400lol I remember our last game before Prophet of Kruphix was banned, my friend cast it then I killed it, then his brother reanimated it, then I cloned it then the original caster stole both copies then we board wiped and his brother reanimated it again and won due to pure value by the time his next combat step rolled aroundWe all got a good chuckle out of the update >went to find the exact verbiage they used to justify the ban>wotc nuked the archivesFuck what is wrong with them?
>>98779406wew what a bunch of headcanonanyways you can wait until 2046 when they change the rule to play your shitty two color common in your mono u deck
>>98779356Phyrexian Mana would not need to be changed as Phyrexian Mana is still colored and not hybrid mana. Noxious Revival would only be playable in "includes Green", Gitaxian Probe would only be playable in "includes Blue". The only edgecase this produces is people running something like Beseech The Queen as a 6 mana tutor. Oh god the humanity, it would be then the most mana expensive 'any card' tutor in the game outside of jumping through a bunch of hoops to produce the black mana necessary to drag it kicking and screaming back to rate. Like, "Boohoo the colorless commander can run Karn, Gilded Guardian at 10 mana", what the fuck are we doing man?>>98779357When color constraints prevent me from playing cards with effects within my color they're not preserving deck and format identity, they're just putting idiotic hoops in the way of deckbuilding. "Aw, I can't run this B/U card in my U deck; better throw in some undercosted colorless staple slop instead. That's what's best for the format, more homogeneity."
>>98779418>When color constraints prevent me from playing cards with effects within my color they're not preserving deck and format identity, they're just putting idiotic hoops in the way of deckbuildingThe color pie is retarded and outdated fedora nerd ivory tower game design. Essential game mechanics should never have been locked behind a color just because there was no rule against "splashing blue if you want good draw or counters" or "green if you want ramp". The designers need to stop being retarded and kill the sacred cow. Every color should be able to draw, or counter spell, or remove any card type - just HOW they do so and how efficiently they can is what should define a color. Blue should be able to outright pay mana for cards, but everyone else should be able to draw just as well if they pay/gain life, sacrifice creatures, have x toughness creature, etc.
should we update pic for hybridfags?
I've noticed that when people are winning and you are on like 4 life rather than just attackibg, tbey have to go through every posible action they can take to humilate you and they laugh at you while doing it, so now i just scoop when it obvious i'm going to lode in 2-3 rounds
>wanted an angel lifegain token commander forever >finally get one>7 mana in mono white >has a board wipe attached to its etb making it a lightning rod for counter spelling >it's a male angel
>>98779488There's nothing more cringe than wanting a commander delivered to you on a platterGo and make something less than perfect work for you
>>98779488Oh yeah, because lifegain decks got so little love with the dragon that give you free draws with every one of them.
>>98779488>wanted path of discovery on a stick since ixalan>it's some fucking UB star wars or whatever reddit bullshit
>>98779506Dragons aren't angels. Dragons are, and are for, gays.
>>98779511>janeway>exploringWewest of lads
>>98779492>Go and make something less than perfect work for youAlready have. Once again UB saves the day.
>>98779537Very funny
>>98779511Yugioh did the whole multiple effect creep and its been pretty shitty if you ask me It's like someone told the design team that power creep happens in card games and they took that to be prescriptive rather than descriptive
>>98779544Oh it's a shitpostFuck
>>98779544Start handing these out at your lgs
>>98779511I personally can't wait for Trek to constantly quote Trek shows and jokes about them.
>>98779533I mean, nobody said exploring can't include genocides.
I can't be bothered to build a new deck so I'm going to just use the zombie deck with the exploding vampire lady as the comander
>>98779544You jest but something like this happened to me the other day.Last week I built a budget green and white enchantment deck for a modern event at my LGS. I don't have any shock lands so I used gates for duals.When I got there I asked the people at the table if they were playing modern and asked if I could join them. A store employee asked me if I had signed up yet and made me pay $10 and download some stupid app. I don't mind supporting the store but the app was really annoying.When I got to my first opponent I asked them what their deck's powerlevel was and they looked at me bewildered. He said that it was a 10 very bluntly and I asked him if he had any other decks that he could play. He smirked and just said no. He was playing some sort of jund goodstuff deck and spend the first couple of turns playing discard spells and eventually killed me with some creature that gets +1/+1 for each card type in all graveyards. I had never met a pubstomper until today and it really put a damper on my mood.The next round I tried to start a rule 0 conversation with my opponent and asked him what he was playing. This guy said that he didn't have to tell me and the two people at the table next to us turned to listen in to our conversation. I told him that the game would be more fun for both of us if we were playing on the same power level and the people next to us immediately started laughing. One of them told me that this wasn't the command zone hosted by Josh Lee Kwai and Jimmy Wong and that this was real life. The other guy told me that this was "big-kid-magic" and I decided to leave after that.It really sucks and I had no idea that the people who play modern at my LGS were so toxic. I was really looking forward to playing this new deck but I guess I need to find somewhere to play casual modern as it seemed that everyone there plays exclusively cModern (a word I guess for tryhard modern)
>>98779595I dont know how that relates to groomers but yeah just generally annoying people that should all be banished to another dimension. this is one of the reasons why I have no interest in modern or standard. when hand rips are the most viable deck archetype, the format is cooked. people dont want to announce it to randoms because no one wants to play against that, or they're going to counter everything. almost as cancerous as C[ancerous]EDHI have not played any 60 card in a long time except some pauper on MODO where I played my old green black scars of mirrodin/New Phyrexia era infect deck. only 1v1 I've played really in person at all is Hobbit & Reality Fracture pre-release (so sealed 40 card)if I was going to intentionally do 60 card I'd only play legacy and even then I'd be more wanting to lean into just straight up kitchen table style rather than "true legacy">>98779593this is one of the best things about the new mono colored EDH decks. they're actually great platforms to modify. I had been wanting to do either a mono white soldiers or angels and then this dropped and I changed out like 15 cards and now its a great lower power deck to have on hand for random n00bs or just lower power play.
>>98779661Yeah, looking forward to mine
>>98779591The premise is that she's launched into the alpha quadrant She's not exploring she's basically lost
>>98779661Making most of the commandrs finishers or utility rather than build arounds was a great choice
>>98779661Idk she seems like yet another two parts of an engine stapled together
anyone see any good crash outs recently during commander?
>brewing deck>roomate sees what Im making>Oh hey I pulled a foil out of the promo pack yesterday you want it?It's like fate is telling me this was truly meant to be
>>98779828thats ballin'. where do these promo packs come from? I did the pre-release for reality fracture and theres no dates on the promos or no planeswalker symbol. what gives
>>98779804NoBut I had one>play edh with my wife her sister and her husband >this dense voter can't get it through his head that neither of our wives know how to play the game and that we should be playing lower power decks Like nigga you read the brackets and came to the table with a turn 5 blood/bond deckIts the only combo explicitly mentioned in the rulesI understand disagreeing with the idea that its a particularly fast combo but holy shit dude at least try to draw within the lines
>>98779835Im pretty sure these are from the WPN promo packs theyre supposed to give away for fnm and tournament wins.Some stores suck though and just crack them to put in their case.
>>98779828Did you make sure to give your roomy a nice wet rimming as a thank-you after?
>>98779828BasedVitu-ghazi smiles upon you
Gentleman, after spending the last 3 days obsessing and researching, I've come to two conclusions. One, competitive EDH is a joke I want no part of and two, I'm going to make Goreclaw stompy
Thread elders, Grug no understand why other cave members say "Universe Beyond is fine because I only care about mechanics, not art", then cave member get angry when see cavewoman big berries card
>>98779861Isn't that like double illegal?
>>98776750He has no answer because he's objectively wrong.
>>98780183Krug explain. Cavewoman big berries card come from people of lead poisoned baby food clan and not based chad clan. Save clams and make big berries card at home with rock and stick.Medicinal herb goes in all places.
>>98780183Who's showing scote?
Why is there a voter registration button on scryfall? The fuck does that have to do with Magic?
>>98777354I've been doing a lot of thinking lately
>>98780276Why is this an artifact?
I LOVE THE THEROS GODSTHEY'RE SO COOL
>>98780281Because it's a bridge someone built. Duh.
>>98780300Who built it?
Does Muldrotha let me play two lands per turn?
I had a dream last night about a new card type:Land - Nightmare
>>98780048I hope Ms Ghazi likes the pile of cards I had on hand to make her go. The only card it 'needs' that I dont have is Emiel the Blessed to go infinite with Kwia.>>98780196Yes. Yes it is. If your store doesnt give away these packs and you know they receive them you can tattle to WotC and they lose their store status.
>>98780308No. You can choose to play it from your hand or your graveyard
>>98780258they know niggers are illiterate, but they can't admit it, and they want to use them as political tools, so they do all sorts of floundering like protesting id laws and this
>>98780258>its been 10 years since magiccards.info changedMan the first seal of the mtg end times
>>98780302Some nigga. Read the lore.
>>98780316Where are those full arts on the bottom from?
ebin truly ebin xD
>>98780380I won the game with this a lot.Even several times against drooling blue fags who don't even consider bouncing it to my hand with hull breaker on the field.
>>98780372I sometimes ask easily answered questions to spark discussionPlease understand
>>98780380Jhoria foreplay
KINO
>>98780183UB is fine because the IPs fit. Lord of the rings inspired Magic. Final Fantasy was inspired by all sorts of High Fantasy from King Arthur to Japanese mythology to Nordic shit and so on, and it was like a digital off shoot of DnD. All this stuff is like spiritual cousins in the high fantasy realmplayers since the 90s have wanted Wolverine and Hulk and Captain America cards and shit. Some of the IPs dont fit as well, and without good mechanics they suffer and just become jarring (like TMNT)I know I personally really hoped for a final fantasy crossover back in 2010 when I started. people always said "it will NEVER happen". look who's got goo on their face nowtl;dr since the 90s players have clamored for Final Fantasy and comic book other cool crossovers. the only people mad about it are retards
>>98780380New flavor text on modern border please
>>98780375Reality Fracture Tower basicsThey look really good foil irl
>>98780401I don't even mind the LOTR one outside of the blackening shit, but there's a difference between a fantasy IP and shit like TMNT or Doctor Who
>>98780380Jesus the Neo modern frame is so abhorrent. as much as possible I've tried to make sure all my cards in any given deck are either original modern or retro frame. so much wasted space. hybrid mana cards are particularly abhorrent for missing all this good vibe shit.
>>98780401>haha I made some unofficial cards to show how much I love the gameBased>turning your game into an advertisement for other IPCringe
>>98780403Is the card stock goodAt this point full arts are so common as i don't even bother unless its a good run regardless if like the art.
>>98780404right and I definitely agree with that. there should be phone booths in the middle of a fucking swamp. I'm just not a Dr Who fan anyway. TMNT had egregious offenses from art to just everythingtoo much super hero stuff is just sloppa as well. it would make more sense if like the X Men were transported into the Magic plane or somethingthen other high fantasy LOTR, FF but more towards the older games fits in. I never watched Avatar the Last Airbender (its more my little brothers time period) but even that stuff seems kind of fitting, just with an Asian flair (which some FF stuff also shares)for the blackening I dont know why people haven't just made proxies with a book or movie accurate Aragorn. seems like a no brainer
>>98780410THANK YOUI swear self described visual artists come out of the wood work to counter signal this when I say it
>>98780416all the reality fracture packs say "made in Japan". they seem good to me. although I like the smell from Foundations packs (not sure if thats USA or Belgium). the lands look baller>>98780403tru
>>98780424Sick, those will be fun to pick up one or two at a time thenFinally got enough capena ones it was thing to move on to a new set
>>98780401We all like to imagine crossovers happening cuz it tickles the heart. In practice it usually just means I wish I went one way or the other.It's funny, but not "fun". Mechanically, the game is still the same, but I'm looking at my pod's round of commander and I see Thanos, Hatsune Miku, Gary from SpongeBob, and Niv-Mizzet. My mind is preoccupied with a pervasive, gnawing question: What the fuck am I playing?
>>98780380Pretty messed up they erased Mr. Walker's signature.
>>98780471The reason why I can't even give LOTR a pass is entirely due to implementationUB was an effort to firesell mtg's good willIf LOTR was a summer draft set like conspiracy, wasn't standard legal and was a one off thing I'd be more inclined to let it slide but that's not the world we live in.Though I think even in that world LOTR would be divisive and for good reason.
I don't see the problem chudalso did this spoil LOTR? I'm in the middle of Fellowship, they just met Strider
Oh boy it's the hybrid mana argument again.Color identity is only meaningful if there aren't decks that both functionally bypass it and have commanders strong enough to compete at a premier level.Unfortunately, as history has shown, 5c access so completely mogs everything else that for nearly 20 years it was better to functionally have no commander if it meant 5c access, and now the best deck(s) in the game are 4c piles featuring noncommittal partners as small self-sustaining value engines. This, mechanically, demonstrates that not only should hybrid mana be changed on a philosophical level in order to assist decks with weaker color identities and allow them access to effects that they deserve, but the most radical interpretation of this should be that color identity should be abolished entirely in order to reemphasize that the format is supposed to be about building around your commander rather than just using them as a support piece for Rhystic Study. The only arguments I have ever seen against hybrid mana are from people that overtly refuse to acknowledge this reality and instead insist on pretending that color identity crippling decks with weak color identities is doing anything but encouraging legendaries in this field to become even more comically overloaded in order to compensate.
>>98780590You don't understand.If boros has access to manamorphous it would absolutely OBLITERATE the game!
>it's a normalfag that has never set foot inside an LGS makes a video based off fake reddit posts episode
>>98780590>I can't believe I brought up [topic] again
>>98780612GoodThis is the gatekeeping we need
>>98779548What’s the matter? You don’t like a free summon that also entombs and then tutors another card to your hand. Then it lets you rearrange the top 3 cards of your opponents deck. Hand trap spam killed it for me along with one card starters. Zero gameplay diversity.
>>98779544a trains walked up to me last draft night while I was playing someone else and told me my face is ugly. I was just completely mystified while everyone else told it to leave.I have received the signal that it's ok to call people ugly, so I guess I know what's happening next week.
>>98779300Omega for the stun.
>>98780559darth vader is luke's dad
I was thinking to make an Atla Palani deck,but how hard and expensive is it to do 3 colours?
>>98780680It's incredibly easy with all the check/battle/whatever lands they keep releasing every year. I have a very budget 3c deck and not once in like 20+ games have I been colorfucked
>>98780680Depends on how cheap you want to make the proxies.
>>98780401>hehe final fantasy is fantasy cause it said so in the nameStop this shit.
>>98780718>final fantasy isn't fantasyI LOVE NON-PLAYER FAGGOTS TALKING ABOUT THINGS THEY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUTIT'S SO EPIC
>>98780723TodayI will remind him.
>>98780730>final fantasy never had science fiction vehiclesNon-player-san...
>>98780635Link summoningPendulum was bad but eventually got fixedLink summoning is what did it for me and it's the same problem mtg with FIRE designgiving the player way too much of what they wantThis is especially an issue with EDH because the format it supposed to have some friction
>>98780738>cars are fantasy nowOk lol
>>98780742Never played the series have you?
>>98780749No? I don't see why that is relevant unless you are stating anything final fantasy does fits into an actual fantasy environment.
What other cards will teach me about exponential growth?
>>98780749He's being disingenuous, he does this on the dailyJust ignore him
>>98780760how about logarithmic
>>98780759Lol. Lmao, even
can i get a uhhhh wording/balance checksurprised she wasnt part of the baldurs gate set desu, as well as ketheric, orin, and gortash
>>98780870Don't custom cards have their own general
>>98780882No.
>>98780870I don't think there's any cards for anything outside of Act 1
>>98780760Unironically Tifa.
>>98780760
>>98780929>>98780931I'm talking about Magic, not fortnite the gathering
>>98780951I doubt you're that guy desu
>>98780730>>98780738no clue what that car has to do with anything. never saw it in final fantasy 1-10 or tactics (which was not represented in this first go-round of FF). these (pic rel) are the kinds of automobiles found in mainstream, classic final fantasy games such as 7 (from 1997). its just a 57 Chevy truck. ff8 had similar land vehicles. neither plays a prominent role in the world at all. most of the vehicles in final fantasy games are classic airships hope this helps!!
>>98780955When did Final Fantasy turn from fantasy to sci-fi?
>>98780760Three Blind Mice and anything that copies enchantments. A near infinite constant supply of mice.
>>98780471>what the fuck am i playing?You tell me
>>98780870you bl00dy bench0d basterd!!!!!!!! I just pulled up moxfield and scryballs (with a VPN since the groomer admin blocked me) ready to search up all the best red knights and other cool red/white stuff for a new tribal knights build and just noticed ITS NOT A REAL CARD WTFFFFFFFbest red/white knight commander? or is there even one that is red/white/blue (AMERICANO KNIGHT-OKUN). already have a white/black build that I did not want to add blue to.
>>98780471>Mechanically, the game is still the sameWhich is what matters.
>>98780994>scryballs (with a VPN since the groomer admin blocked me)You got fucking IP banned from scryfall? lmao
>>98779511>11proxy / sticker over the art bro...
>>98779511>Nooo where are my elves or generic sphinxes
>>98781019Not everyone works the photo shop.
>>98780559Can you spoiler the image next time? I'm only on the third book and haven't gotten to the part where Aragorn turns black
>>98780964in final fantasy 1 when you go to the floating castle that looks like a space station? or surely final fantasy 4 when you GO TO THE FUCKING MOON?!
>>98781048yeah the moon is a sci-fi concept, never shows up in fantasy.
>>98781045It's right after the part where he stops being clean shaven and grows a big beard.
>>98781054uh yeah going to the moon definitely is a sci fi thing rather than high fantasy
>>98780994sorry anonwhy not use Feather, Aurelia, or Gisela? Or do they have to be Knights specifically
Any sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magicThat's why OG 2003 mirrodin was received well despite mtg being the most sci fi at that time in its history and the hate against it was all about the balancing
>urza can make giant constructs the size of mountians, power armor, and a flying ship but a car is a bridge too far!
>final fantasy fans when they play 1 and realise it was sci-fi all alongThen again what do you expect of a fanbase that thinks their series started at game 7
>>98780964The latest you could possibly argue is FF6, where there's a bunch of magitech and the opening has the characters in mech walkers.
I don't understand how in a format with 100 cards, I seem to consistently draw the same cards and staples over and overIs it just confirmation bias?
>>98780924correct, the baldur's gate set came out during the beta / early access development
>>98781104>Clump up all your cards>Do a really bad job of shuffling >Whoa, all my good shit I keep getting every game is all together!
You guys don't pre-shuffle at home and go straight into games at the store?
>>98781115No, infact theres been plenty of times if broken my deck down for "post your decks!" Posts and then gone to the LGS and had a terrible time.
I want to make some kind of flash, faerie nonsense with her
>>98781112Seems like quite the assumption.
The 36 land retards sure went quiet when the mono color precons meant for newbies came out with 39 land counts
>>98781111Oh that explains a lot I wonder if they'll ever do a revisit for the Act 2/3 stuff. I want Selunite Shart, Gortash, Emps, etc.
>>98780998Its only about 60% of what matters
>>98781244t. graphics fag who would go on about bits back in 1996
>>98781247That's a lot of hurring and durring you got there buddy
>>98781244>>98781251The art, flavour and world do indeed matter, not sure what this retarded utilitarian view of "hurr only mechanics" is, but it's idiotic
>>98781019Man a borderless Balan would go so fucking hard.
I've spent so long looking at potential decks that now I'm burnt out and don't even know what I want to play anymore
>>98781104>add Worldslayer to my Tajic, Blade of the Legion voltron deck 10 years ago>still have never drawn itYeah I go through the same
>>98781299Easy fixLook at your collection and a strategy will pop out to you, make it work with what you got and don't worry about the general so much
>>98781311>because my deck has a dozen equipment tutors in it
>>98781348It's b2 and only plays against other casual decks. We don't run tutors in these
We all hate pure netdecking, but what about netdecking but modified?
>>98781355>world slayer>b2>>98781356You are only cheating yourself, so you do you. That being said I had to look at half a dozen edh lists and a few canlander lists to make my eggs deck do what I wanted That was a case where trial and error was not really giving me the results I wanted.I also regularly check decks from other formats to get inspired.Ymmv
>it's taboo to>let's see here>play the game using mechanics printed on the legal cards>https://youtu.be/N0oPx_rurmQlolwut? This is exactly like fighting game casuals saying fireballs are cheap
>>98781356Journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
>>98781383>world slayer>b2As a joke/alt wincon. We've all agreed that if it ever pops off there's no reason to continue
>>98781402Curious. List?
>>98781389Yeah as it turns out Commander is really shit when everyone's only playing to win. It's the same problem DBD has where the devs just let the game go to shit for years and the playerbase developed an encyclopedia of rules that you need to follow because the game is unplayably unfun otherwise. The problem emerges when nobody actually agrees on the specifics of said encyclopedia because everyone has a different line in the sand.
>>98781383Tbf, if worldslayer connects, it's basically game over and it's telegraphed as fuck
Can someone explain how Gitrog Monster and Dakmor Salvage results in an infinite?
>>98781389>5 years ago>hating on basically everything that isn't lands>why does simic always beat me?!
>>98781411Discard to hand size, discarding Dakmor SalvageGitrog triggers, making you draw a card and creating another cleanup step.Choose to replace your draw with dredging for Dakmor SalvageNext cleanup step, discard to hand size again, discarding Dakmor SalvageRepeat
>>98781411>When land goes to graveyard from anywhere, draw with Gitrog>Dredge 2 instead of drawing the cardResults in infinite dredge triggers if you can discard it
>>98781406Currently in the process of moving, so everything's packed up unfortunately. I don't even know which box its in. It's just the usual Tajic + normal equipment card draw (Sram, etc) + stuff that makes creature tokens to always have Battalion + all the cheap/shitty <$1 equipment. I think it cost me like 30bux in total
>>98781421>>98781422But to what end? How does that make you win?
>>98781407i'd rather have a boring meta that works than an unplayable mess where everyone seems to be offended over everything
>>98781428You have your deck filled with cards that do thing in the GY.
I play a snow-covered island and end my turn
>>98781430Then try playing cEDH. There's a reason it's niche and most games end in a draw.
I've never had these conversations about brackets, power level or rule 0, is this some weird online shit that doesn't happen IRL?
https://moxfield.com/decks/Ftu0TXqkEkOmTVRsPDD5FwI wouldn't say this is exactly a serious deck, especially when I'm running a silver-bordered card, but I feel like I probably need more protection for my Planeswalkers like Onakke Oathkeeper. What should I cut/keep? Realistically, the answer is probably some of my Planeswalkers but that kind of defeats the purpose.
>>98781443>I don't actually play with randoms
>>98781389More onionslads consensus building, nothing to see hereThere hasn't been a youtuber worth watching since RoyalAl stopped uploading videosOr at least since moxnix didAnd i might be able to squint and say at the very latest when VonMacabre trooned out
>>98781389Going to watch this video for ideas about my next deck
>>98781440>Then try playing cEDHi do>There's a reason it's nicheit's not that niche when everyone who proxies has one by default>most games end in a drawplaying cedh without retarded rules like giving 1pt for draws is much betteralso every noob's reason for dipping their toes in cedh boils down to 'i don't want to argue anymore one what's acceptable and offend people's feelings'
>>98781438Based. Someday we'll get a snow commander that I like and I can finally build a snow deck. I was hoping so hard that the Mystery Booster Commander set would have one but fuckin nope
What's the matter chud, you don't want 4 hours of how magic is fascist?
>>98781443>I don't ever go to the LGSTry playing literally anywhere other than your/your friend's place. Everyone discusses it beforehand unless you're one of the regulars at the sweaty table
>>98781428Usually combos with picrel and you can recur it by flashbacking Dread Return
>>98781456Quips and Guac has some decent videos, but it's very hit or miss. Some of his deck ideas are neat af
>>98781454>>98781467I play at the LGS and still haven't had this conversationUsually people just explain what their deck is, and if it's expected to be powerful. None of this numbers talk
>>98781443>i live in a bubble and i must speak
>>98781443I'm always shocked at how slowly the bracket info is disseminatedNiggas will be like>I found this cool combo on tictok>aw you don't know thefluffygolemancer>he's gotta be the best commander content creator>what's a bracketIf nothing else you can gauge what kind of maladapted person you are playing Magic against... cause you gotta have a screw loose to be shuffling up in 2026
I'm stealing Quipsandguacs one mana green deck with some adjustments, watch out
>>98781475hi, let's play
>>98781443>>98781475>I've never had these conversations about power level>people just explain what their deck is, and if it's expected to be powerfulI see.
I scoop
>>98781461Yes and there's also a reason most of those noobs don't stick around.
>>98781488NO YOU CAN"T DO THAT SCOOPING IS SORCERY SPEED
>>98781474Can't verify because I refuse to watch anything new but my favorite old youtubers were also basically retarded (top and go, cmdr decks, techdeck decktechs).Im sure they arent any worse unless they are doing the clickbait thing or taking regular LGS banter/musings and presenting them like they are ground breaking shit.
>>98781490those that don't stick around can't handle no-holds barred but also can't handle compromising with others people so they just live in their basement insteadwith that said brackets have made it easier, you'd be surprised how LGSs simply b3 as>no infinites/alt wincons before t7>no mld>3 GCs max
>>98781508What does your LGS think about Blood Moon?
>>98781505Wait seriously? I'm certain that the rules say you can concede at any time
>>98781505Unironically mtgo lets the triggers for Rith the Awakener go through if the player concedes after attacks are declared Since the rules don't specify (last I checked) I take this as gospel.
>love red>hate how often it devolves into dude fireI've complained about this before and I'll continue
>>98781516mld, gavin even specifically calls it out by name>"These cards regularly destroy, exile, and bounce other lands, keep lands tapped, or change what mana is produced by four or more lands per player without replacing them. Examples in this category are Armageddon, Ruination, Sunder, Winter Orb, and Blood Moon."
>>98781519ummm you just can't okay because it wouldn't be advantageous for me???
>>98781516I was thinking about bloodmoon todayPlayers are going to have to get used to non-basic hate if they are going to insist on making this many 5c commanders
>>98781531or, you know, wotc could just buff mono, like making background commanders specifically for them
>>98781523What's a good example of art that doesn't follow the dudefirelmao ideal?
>we have a little houserule here, you see, anything you do that can beat me isn't allowed
>>98781519They do, anyone who says otherwise is a salty little bitch
>>98781538Well that's enough /edhg/ for one night.
>>98781539Genuinely can't think of any because red is always dude fireI get that it should be fire to some degree, but red is the colour of passion, action and charged emotion, not lava and fireHow to get that across in magic art? Beats me, I'm not an artist.
>>98781548>he's afraid of meeting potential colorsee you tomorrow
>>98781531Blood Moon doesn't check nonbasics even in 1v1 where there's 1/3rd the available removal. Look at how many basics Delver runs in Legacy, or Izzet prowess in Modern.
>>98781548>night>12:47pm
>>98781539>>98781551you two need to be 18 to post here
>>98781551You know there's an entire archetype of red that is just buff your shit and run over everyone as fast as possible, right?
>>98781566Non-sequitur of the millenniumI'm talking colour aesthetics
>>98781565>2004I know it's not the point, but if you were born the year that set came out, you'd be over 18 now.
WTF is kindred?
>>98781591The politically correct term for "tribal", because "tribes" is cultural appropriation or racist or something. Same reason "Totem Armor" is now "Umbra Armor".
>turn 1>plateau>sol ring>arcane signet>serra ascendant >go
>>98781587the point is wotc tried before and the playerbase didn't like it
>>98781621absolute TRAVESTY
>>98781621People didn't like it only because they were weakThe only snow card I can really think of that's get played is Skred in Pauper
why does this have squad instead of replicate
>>98781680Ninja's don't replicate they squad up
>>98781682but enchantments replicate not squad
>>98779418Bro, you are a soulless retard. Just admit you are a secondary, and this entire conversation can get to the natural conclusion of telling you why you're wrong without the bloviated back and forth. Color identity is one of the central pillars of this format, and if you don't want that, you can literally just play 60c multiplayer. It's what most of us did back in the day anyways, and frankly, it was more fun that what EDH has become. But it's still no excuse to kill one of the main reasons to play this format all the same.
>>98781551Act of Aggression is an entire archtype in red.
>>98781680Slight mechanical difference, squad is an ETB trigger, while replicate is a cast trigger. A single counterspell will stop the enchantment from entering, and thus you get no copies, but the trigger for replicate still functions. Also, replicate puts the copies on the stack, so they all enter one by one, while squad puts all the copies into play at the same time.
>ban most of the banlist>bring back the old tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
>>98781698>color identity is a central pillar that's why we allowed sen triplets to produce fire and broccoli
>>98781698If implementing the hybrid mana change gets troglodytes like you to fuck off into other formats it will have two substantial benefits to Commander rather than one.
>>98781730wait so zur actually works as ninja commander
>>98781792You can fetch the enchantment with Zur, but since you aren't casting it you can't pay the additional cost, so Squad doesn't trigger (and even if it did, it would make 0 copies).>702.157a Squad is a keyword that represents two linked abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the creature spell with squad is on the stack. The second is a triggered ability that functions when the creature with squad enters the battlefield. “Squad [cost]” means “As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may pay [cost] any number of times” and “When this creature enters, if its squad cost was paid, create a token that’s a copy of it for each time its squad cost was paid.” Paying a spell’s squad cost follows the rules for paying additional costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h.Squad has an intervening-if-clause on the ETB, which means if the Squad cost isn't paid at least once, the ETB never goes on the stack.
>>98781830so it's the worst of both worlds
You ever notice how every "LGS horror story" goes along the lines of>i was there in my "when a Black Womyn speaks I listen" shirt and my smoking hot but also independent wife>this total 600lb nerd wearing a fedora unrolled an anime playmat in front of us>i sat down to play with him>a few turns pass and i have the greatest combo known to mankind and was about to smoothly execute>then he starts raging and screaming at me>i coolly say "hey bro calm down, we're all friends here" and my smoking hot wife agreed>but he screamed, threw his deck and left the storeThese people are literally making up fictional stories about stereotypes that don't exist right
>"haha okay im just going to attack in a circle to be le fair and balanced" xd>first player in this circle eats just 3 damage>fourth player in this cycle eats 18i swear to fucking god i wish people would stop these autistic rituals and just play to win rather than twist a random players balls
>>98781917>>98781917>>98781917migrate to NEW
>>98781911every time someone does this, or rolls to see who to attack, or some other nonsense I tell them it doesn't reduce aggro. they are still making a decision and it will have consequences.
>>98781636Wow a shitty Serra Angel. What powerful white card.
I tend to spread damage around just so that I don't knock anyone out early, but only if I can safely make the attack.
