Archives & Other Resources: https://rentry.co/cyoagAllsync: https://cyoa.allsync.com/s/owWor64yLTngDk3Previous thread: >>98771875
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>>98778132Alright, last thread people just kinda argued about rules without making builds, here's take 2:I want to run a couple experiments, would anons mind making builds to see if they balance things better?>Experiment 1: Talent DiscountMaking a builds where your talent rating in one aura type provides a discount. This is to make basic techniques cheap, master techniques slightly less ecpensive, and leave legend techniques largely the same.Compare your "G" rating to the rating required for a technique, if you G rating is higher it subtracts it's value from the point cost.Example:Seismic Strike costs 5 poimt to buy.Your build has G3 in Core.Seismic Strike only requires G1.Seismic Strike now only costs 2 points for you.>Experiment 2: Aura Burst ModeKufoku mentions you'll be able to Double your points after completing an Aura Burst campaign, so why not make builds for that?Make a standard build for your freshly summoned conscript, then making Another build for your conscript after completing all their campaign missions.The second build gets build and equipment points equal to their starting "Potential"(45 for talented, 35 for mutated, etc). They get no bonus alterations.Given how the "Prodigy" alteration works,, double these bonus points points for your second build, but equipment points are not doubled.
THIS IS SPIRIT CONSCRIPT AND OUTER REINCARNATION GENERAL SAARS!
>>98778135Flesh R.
>>98778135>Making a builds where your talent rating in one aura type provides a discount. I feel like that'd just make Limitless Meridians even more dominant.
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>>98778141>I feel like that'd just make Limitless Meridians even more dominantLook, everyone takes it anyway, so nothing really changes if that's true, but it might not be. Mind actually making a build so we can test things out?
>>98778135But Technique Collection is my campaign mission...
Mai.
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>>98778125/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/And Again Again Again, We return.College is back. I need to get better at using my timeBecause this is about 20 hours late, I'm going to move the end date forward a day. Sorry about thatA few times I only caught a cyoa on the second or third time it was postedIf I missed something, tell me and I'll include it in the next oneAs far as I know, the following is a complete list of cyoa's that released during the month of september:The eigth sin [Surinical]{11 pages}{Empire builder}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98680236/#98686893Thu 17 Sep 2026 12:12:56Union of kingdoms [Anon]{7 pages}{Wip}{Sparse}{Sci fi}(Already entered)https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98625737/#98628241Sat 05 Sep 2026 23:47:46Dog medicine [Surinical]{3 pages}{Ai art}{Power picker}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98655672/#98661821Sat 12 Sep 2026 14:45:18Outer Revival [Wodan]{2 Pages}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98634654/#98635748Mon 07 Sep 2026 13:15:55Ban tok [Tokhaar gol]{One page}{Update}(Extremely trivial update)https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98611805/#98612029Wed 02 Sep 2026 23:31:59Choose Your own Bat [Noface][Ersatzanon]{One page}{Recycling}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98611805/#98613264Thu 03 Sep 2026 03:03:18https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98611805/#98617475https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98611805/#98617565https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98611805/#98617604This Shit Is So Ass [Anon]{1 page}{Shitpost}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98625737/#98629561Sun 06 Sep 2026 06:02:01https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98630053/#98633265 {Update}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98634654/#98638464 {Update}GIFTSFROMIAMWODAN [I AM WODAN]{One page}{Collage}{Parody}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98634654/#98635336Mon 07 Sep 2026 10:05:444Elves [Ersatzanon]{1 page}{Ryoa}{Romance}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98641469/#98647157Wed 09 Sep 2026 17:28:55(1/2)
>>98778209(2/2)Thirteen gifts [arkanon]{1 page}{Interactive}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98733733/#98737413https://thirteen-gifts-cyoa.pages.dev/Sun 27 Sep 2026 03:49:20Brawler problem [Anon]{Single Choice}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98680236/#98684585Wed 16 Sep 2026 22:32:29Buddhist isekai [Anon]{Single Choice}{Isekai}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98720299/#98723006Thu 24 Sep 2026 02:19:54https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98724846/#98727359You're Finally Awake From That Nightmare You Were Having [Fat doge]{Textpost}(Uninspired)https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98630053/#98632200Sun 06 Sep 2026 20:05:31Racist Genie [Anon]{Textpost}{Shitpost}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98634654/#98638935Tue 08 Sep 2026 00:43:54Unification choice [Anon]{Textpost}{Shitpost}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98634654/#98639235Tue 08 Sep 2026 02:03:13Outer Pill Picker [Anon]{None Choices}{Joke}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98641469/#98644047Wed 09 Sep 2026 00:32:01Some time ago now, anon suggested there should be a cyoa of the year. Knowing it to be too big a question for one vote I have split the task into twelveThe winners of these two polls will be inducted into the final cyoa of the year pollAlthough this mainly exists as a chance to reflect on the months OCAs always, you are encouraged to replay the above cyoa's before votingFirst choice poll: https://strawpoll.com/GPgVY9kbvnaRanking poll: https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJa53rGg3Both close in about 59 hours/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/POLL/
>>98778174Mai indeed
>>98778174Futaba > Mai
>>98778216No one cares, kill yourself.
>>98778293I care
>>98778135> RaceHuman> DifficultyTalented> JobStalker> Alterations> BeneficialPure Pool (Free)Sacred Fountain (42)Prodigy (44)Special Technique[Self Incarnation] (44)Signature Technique[Self Incarnation] (44)> MalevolentAge Disjunction[Young] (49)> Aura SystemVast Generalist (39)> CoreG3 (36)> All elseG2 (30)>RecoveryNutrition and Alchohol>TrainingSkip>TechniquesLegend Status: Consumate Self Incarnation (15)Illumination of the Heart (5)Five Immortalities of Wukong (free)Sense Aura(free)Body Enhancement(free)Crossing Summit(free)Crossing Lunge(Free)Balance of the Heart(3)Blazing of the Heart(2)Four Armed Deva (0)Cloudy Spirit Hand (free)Weapon Link- Eternal Loyalty(free)Four Point Body Sigil (free)Carnal Body Sigil (free)Tracking Body Sigil (free)Indocrtinating Body Sigil (free)Merciful Recetivism (Free)An old build centered on making self incarnation into an actually immortality option by changing it so that the time immunity, durability, and regeneration enhancements apply to both the body And soul. Allowing the user to live forever as long as their body exists to heal their soul.With the discounts, my build is rounded out with a lot more basic abilities and some free powers, mostly from flow and alchemy providing quality of life addons.
>>98778248thank you tok, very cool
>>98778305>and alchemy providing quality of life addons.>Looks inside>It's all rape and mind controlAnon...
>>98778312It's alchemy anon, of course the cheap powers are evil.
>>98778293I care as well, he is better for the thread than you.
>>98778312The carnal sigil is not about rape, it is mainly used with your spouse to stop cheating
>>98778293I honestly would have expected more comments like this when I started, but regardless of things I intend to finish the yearI think I'll have the final set of polls be visible for the duration, and have a multi round format, then a poll at the end for whether or not I should continue (Although I might not continue regardless, given time constraints)
>>98778331>even in the murim world hoes are not worth it unless they're chained up...
>>98778331Anon, we both know that's definitely not how blue demons use it went they kidnap a man.
>>98778329No he isn't, he's literally spamming offtopic shit that no one cares about. Fucking joke cyoas and other vomit that no one cares for.We're talking about actually good CYOAs like Spirit Conscript and Outer Reincarnation.
Does PCA come here or is he a discord fag? I wanted to ask him how he manages to come up with a wide variety of powers for his cyoa(s) and what tips he has.
>>98778335Just fuck off.
>>98778336Murim?Spirit conscript is a fucking hentai parody world.Someone is definitely gonna try to ntr you at some point. They're just more likely to be a hot lesbian than an ugly bastard in youdo.
>>98778341>actually good CYOAs>Outer ReincarnationTiresome...
>>98778346PCA has sworn off cyoag after the spirit conscript thingHe's a discord only now but you can get softie to deliver messages to him
>>98778338Heh, they "marry" them so in theory it is. what is forced is the marriage bit.
>>98778348No, I don't think I willHow long have you been here anyway? You seem distinct from previous shitposters
>>98778353That's so god damn sad, but I guess you can't blame attention whores for wanting to go to a site where people have an easier time fellating their ego.
>>98778351Here anon, have a pillow case and sleep it offhttps://imgchest.com/p/ej7mn6lmayd
>>98778351Anon, that fact you're tired of it getting spammed doesn't change the fact it gets spammed Because it's good.You might get tired of eating the same pie every day, but that doesn't mean the pie is bad.
>>98778359Ahh, a wonderful choiceless image I can doze off to ZzZzZz
>>98778354Rape doesn't stop being rape just because you forced marriage on them first and now have a magic womb tattoo letting you control the victims libido.
>>98778359>pillow caseOh I completely forgot I also started that meme
>>98778350>Spirit conscript is a fucking hentai parody world.A) No it's notB) It's fucking Murim because that's what it's all about, cultivation and powersNow kill yourself
>>98778375The gender imbalance is mostly female, succubi are so common they're treated like roach infestations, multiple powers deal explicitly with sex and fetish stuff, there's and entire major faction whose main conflict revolves around them being cuttoff from continuing to practice mandatory incest, etc.It's a hentai parody. More than that, it doesn't take place in china. No "asian afterlife" doesn't cut it, ALL korean murim happen in actual historical china with ki added in.
>>98778390Yadda yadda yadda thanks for being a disingenuous nigger who ignores my point (and point of the cyoa itself) because he's a sniveling little gooner bitch >it's uhm er parody yeah hahaIrony poisoning, terminal stage.
>>98778135I'm surprised no one has tried to make an aura burst build. I didn't think "Here's double points" would be a hard sell, especially when it's lore accurate.
>>98778395>Tries to gloss over the part where he didn't know what "Murim" meansNah anon. You're not getting away that easy. Your retardation is public for all to see.
Dumping the classic GF Cards waifu picker.1 of 6
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>>98778403>NahOkay now you're being aggressively black. I accept your concession.
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>>98778423>>98778422I don't even know what the fuck is going on. Just like CYOA breh
I told Gemini to draw a cyoa image manually in SVG vector graphics (as in code, without use of an image model). This is what it made.
>>98778422>Tries to weasel even harder.No and Nah, you're going to take your lumps. Your dumbass didn't know what murim was, but tried to lecture people about murim settings.
>>98778431>Just like CYOA brehAnon, arguing about cyoa is part of the ecperience. Otherwise this thread would be 90% images and no builds.
>>98778441That's extremely disturbing if true
>>98778462Disturbing? Good OC makers could use this to speed up cyoa creation from weeks to hours. There'll be plenty of slot from idiots that think the AI will do all the work for them instead of just accelerating their own work, but 80% of everything is slop.
>>98778441The age of authors is over. The time of AI has come.
>>98778471It's unthought, unlife, made to lessen usVery disturbing on every scale
>>98778441Looks exactly like a reddit cyoa that only gets updoots but is never actually as popular as a home grown 4chan cyoa
>>98778471>Good OC makers could use this to speed up cyoa creation from weeks to hours.Good CYOA makers don't need aislop as it is.
>>98778471>speed up cyoa creation from weeksHasn't it been months for a while now?
>>98778473>new technology scary and bad, says local luddite
I like this one
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>>98778503So did you come from vee or what?
>>98778441it made a better cyoa than I ever have in secondsmaybe I should suck it up and just use AI
My work in progress CYOA is going to take so long to finish, because of the writing alone.I estimate like 20k words.It's set in my own fictional universe, so I don't even know how it will be received yet.
>>98778603>It's set in my own fictional universe, so I don't even know how it will be received yet.Our best cyoas are like that. Godspeed.
>>98778592No one has ever read that cyoaIncluding you, strange interloper
>>98778553Is /v/ pro-ai?
>>98778627It has a large number of shills and bait posters who obsessively talk about aiIt's one of their things. Slightly less respectable then polshit and vidya butts
>>98778142I think I've made the best possible pure mage, only thing I'm still considering is companions. I've gotten most of the mentors and dice fudged parents for magic, now I'm wondering who would best fit a dude who goes around finding books.
>>98778640If you have the time, polkan's global adventure could net you any number of priceless artefactsIf not: izbor
>>98778650Yeah, Polkan for sure. I was thinking Saevel or Ahelth just because they travel around a lot. Gisela or Izbor also have been the two I've been spitballing. I can only afford 1s and 2s, and have one companion spot left(uruk) counting Polkan.
>>98778368Yeah you are right but my point is, probably wont be like a sex slave thing.The cyoa and lore doc talk about "marrying" when it could have just said force to become a sex slave. Its not like the cyoa ignores the existence of that kind of slave.So while its a forcweful thing, I imagine within the marriage they tend to act more like a dominant wife than a master with slave. Maybe they even put the carnal sigil on themselves and love blooms.After all, they not only "marry" but also are very picky about it. And from the women's perspective is way harder to just get a sex slave to get pregnant than a man impregnating.The blue oni twins are even still searching for their man.
>>98778307Np anon. I always do my best to deliver kino builds
>>98778603Never once have I estimated any kind of word count for any of my CYOAs.
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>>98778815if you're gonna talk about a Tok cyoa talk about Dragonfall
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>>98778166You want your character to start with unfulfilled desires and goals, and even weaknesses?
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>>98778142Yearly reminder that uruks don't have dicks
>>98778640>now I'm wondering who would best fit a dude who goes around finding booksDo you have any specialties as a mage?
Post Danmachi
>>98778893One of rarest magics in the setting is Alchemy, only Ragratelyn teaches it. Probably only second to Feodwra and time magic. So I plan on alchemy being my main magical focus. But I have a bunch of magical mentors, offensive, defensive and some crafting related magic.
>>98778955goddamn it meant for>>98778898
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>>98778921which one?
>>98778961The one that doesn’t suck
>>98778986impossible
Reminder that pca is gay (a dom top)
>>98778986You narrowed it down to 0. Congratulations
>>98778132>>98778174>ConscriptionBodyguard>Home TerritorySpiral Summit>Benevolent AlterationsPure PoolHeavenly Instrument (Masamune)Limitless Meridans Perennial Lotus Prodigy Mystic Beauty >Malignant AlterationDelicacy Trouble Maker Old Grudges Vice (Cigarettes) Magmatic >PotentialOverpowered>Aura AffinitiesCore G3 Phase G3 Alchemy G1 Flow G3 >TrainingAthletics Master Weaponry Legend (Sword) Investigation Legend Tactics Master Cultivation Master Acrobatics Master >Recovery DispositionLovePain>Aura SystemVast Generalist - 40 Aura Reserve >Release TechniquesInitiate Status - Resolution CenterSense Enhancement Initiate Status - Oscillating Motion Carnal Body Sigil Sense Karma Crossing Lunge Sense AuraBody EnhancementLocus Distortion Weapon Link-Eternal Loyalty and Unerring Truth Illumination of the Heart Weapon Art- Guillotine Thundercloud Majestic Weapon Injection Legend Status- Waning Lunar Eon Secret Weapon Art - Time Slipping Saber Five Immortalities of Wukong >EquipmentMasamune (Adaptive, Voltage, Butchery, Silvered, Vortex)Noble Modern Formals False Ocular Coverings Discerning Traditional Garments
>>98778955NTA but I don't think that Alchemy is that rare, just that only Ragratelyn teaches it out of our choices. The Outsider System is only able to link together feasible choices, but it doesn't mean that it's all that we have available to us in the world. So there are probably Alchemists, but you'd have to go out of your way to find them. I mean, it even mentions many others in her guild being capable at it, she's just the best out of the guild.
>>98779013>CampaignsUnderworld TournamentFiller ArcPerson of Interest: The Fourth Magistrate of HeavenSeeker of the Strongest Fighter>Romanced Companions Mai, Fourth Golden SageYuxiMitsueRinArisaKikuroYunlaiHanaSuzuMadokaNiwamaru>AlliesNinokata, Shinobi DynastyThe House of CatacombJiahao, The Warrior Dynasty>FoesThe Blue Demon ClanThe Red Demon ClanMajushin, The Sorcerer Dynasty>RivalOno Dr.Aki Katsumi >NemesisThe Blue Demon Clan Hellion Mob Majushin: The Sorcerer's DynastySoftie talked about Spirit Conscript enough to make me want to update Sorcerer Killer. I also took the random Mai poster as a sign. Overall it's pretty self explanatory but I'm keeping the same cushy family harem emphasis with my wife Mai. We're still karmaxxing so every Muramasa users must die.
>>98778627No, its more of a hysterical overreaction in the other direction
>>98779013>Overpoweredanon...
two repeats in foe and nemesis?
Do we know who made Universal War?
>>98779054Universal War Anon
>>98779057Is that their actual author name?
>>98779062idk
>>98779013Stop posting cute molestable boys
>>98779047As far as I can see, we aren't running any MP now. Not going for OP is meaningless.
>>98779019>We're still karmaxxing so every Muramasa users must die.Destiny will make it so you will be killed by them as well...And karmamaxing doesnt matter against them as each weapons becomes equally strong as each other when fighting each otherAnd from where do you all get so many Mai's images?
>>98779047It's the only way to play. Auraburst talented could maybe work too but base talented is not it. >>98779051You're right so it should be this instead.>FoesThe Blue Demon ClanThe Red Demon ClanThe Solar Trigram Cult>NemesisThe Hellion MobThe Six-Finger MafiaMajushin, The Sorcerer Dynasty >>98779079I'm posting my wife now instead.
https://imgchest.com/p/m9yx69z3pyqfinally got around to it.
>>98778293I'm an author and I care. It brings meaning to the thread.
>>98779085>Not going for OP is meaningless.OP is a crutch.
>>98779102It's a good thing I'm seeking the destiny of my opponents instead. But nah I'd win. The blades being equally sharp matters less than our skills and experience. As for Mai she's someone's OC so while there isn't a ton of art, there's enough. Look up artier's character.
>>98779104My Mai is stronger than your Mai. If you had any pride you would let me willingly to impregnate yours so improve her bloodline.
>>98779102>And from where do you all get so many Mai's images?they just ask their companion to pose for a photo, duh?
>>98779131Vargeknob....
>>98779131Even my build review had me crowned as the dedicated Mai poster so that's doubtful.
Imagine having to pay points to force Mai to love you instead of just going up to her and courting her properly.
>>98779141So much time since someone called me that... bad times.>>98779142Build review doesn't matter. Pure power is, my Mai is stronger than yours. I am stronger than you.So it is simple. Let me help, I can introduce good genes into your family. If the baby is a boy I will let you have him fully. If she is a girl I will take her to keep enhancing her bloodline.You have 50% of having a good super soldier kid
>>98779144Bait accepted.>>98779146I can't believe you're still trying this bro. Did the entropist reaction teach you nothing?
>>98778132>>98779013Bruh you can't just buildmog me like this...>RaceHuman>PotentialOverpowered>Scenario Age of Trigram>ConscriptionCustom>Home TerritoryFeudal Spirit Chateaus >Benevolent AlterationsPure PoolSacred FountainMystic BeautyCharismaticProdigyPerennial Lotus>Malignant AlterationsDelicacyHellfire DebtOld GrudgesMagmatic>Aura SystemVast Generalist>Meridian Expansion+8 x2, +1 x2>Recovery DispositionNutritionLust>Aura AffinitiesCore G2Phase G2Flow G2Alchemy G3>Aura Pool60>TrainingCultivation - LegendTechnique Artistry - LegendCeremony - LegendTactics - LegendInvestigation - LegendDeceit - MasterStealth - MasterTinkering - Master>Basic Release TechniquesSense AuraBody EnhancementSense KarmaInitiate Status—Arcane AcumenSense Enhancement >Great Release TechniquesSummon Rite—Lecherous OdalisquesOblative GestureMaster Status—Transmigration>Legendary Release TechniquesSpirit Subjugation>EquipmentFalse Ocular CoveringsFacial Breathing ClothDiscerning Traditional GarmentsNoble Modern FormalsImpersonating Solemn UniformPurification BellBottomless GourdShaman's KundalaPrayer Drum
>>98779157>Allied SectsThe House of CatacombJiahao, The Warrior DynastySenguru, The Monastic Dynasty>Foe SectsMajushin, The Sorcerer DynastyThe Hellion MobThe Six-Finger Mob>Nemesis'sThe Pale Demon ClanThe Feather TribeThe Solar Trigram Cult>SectNew Sect (Heiyuanjiao (dark + garden + cult))>Sect AdvantagesLuxuryIncomeSecrets (Special Advantage)>CampaignsFiller ArcGhost at the PartyTrigram EvictionForbidden ReligionNegotiationThe Haunted CityGreat Spirit PursuitSuccubus InfestationsThe Deepest DepthNight of the Lantern BugsTreasure BugsGreyflesh CullingHumanoid ChimerasLost in LimboRuin RaiderMissing PersonsPerson of Interest: The Last Son of NinokataPerson of Interest: Shen Roh, Mafia DragonPerson of Interest: The Tenth Magistrate of HellPerson of Interest: The Golden Centennial AvatarGroup of Interest: The Toad Merchant GuildRegicide>CompanionsFutabaYomiRyoko>RomancesFutabaYomiRyoko>RivalsDr. AkiOnoKohana, Kohaku, Koharu This is my favorite build, I want 60 aura so I'm keeping 60 aura. I will be the best pokemon trainer and challenge the elite 3 before the two champions.
>>98779152I realized why you dont want to take my offer. The possibility of a son is like 20% right? Because in Youdo women tend to be born more than men (lore reason?).To you it looks like in 80% of the cases I am taking the kid. So I will make it better for you. I guarantee I will keep trying until you get at least 2 sons. We got a deal?
>>98779157I just told you to stop posting molestable boys, and you disobeyed me
>>98779164We got also got Futaba's images? Is her another character like Mai?And I thought you were a Ming Yue lover.
>>98779166You can stay in your containment singleplayer.
>>98779166Less than 5% of anons are cuckolds, and less than 5% of cuckolds would be willing to be cuck for eugenic rather than sexual reasons. Besides that, your genetics aren't even superior to any given semi-optimal build. Agreeing with your deal is a physical and symbolic cuckoldry for no reward.
>>98779172I prefer to dominate kemono and monstergirl women like the two dogs and ryoko.
>>98779189>>98779188i guess my superior Mai will need to dominate yours then...
>>98779197I remember having a discussion with you about both picking Ming Yue and you calling her your wife several times.>I prefer to dominate kemono Hmm, was it because of the discussion about Hair Tribe having a fetish about that?
>>98779208>Hmm, was it because of the discussion about Hair Tribe having a fetish about that?Reinforced that I should take them since they're perfect for that. I gotta unite the beast tribes into one harem.
>>98779214I see... me noticing their "domination become submissive worshipping" fetish made you stray away from Ming Yue. Better for me.
>>98779013Should have taken racism against oni if you're this racist against the oni. I guess that might not be good with your oni-fucker friend though.
>>98779169He likes getting jizzed on
>>98779243ArisaYuxiHe got 2 yokai love interests.
>>98778813Do your CYOAs have alot of words?I said 20k because there will be about 400 selections each with about 50 words of description in them.
>>98779157what's even the point of tinkering master
>>98779243I had it but he talked me out of it. >>98779257 is also a factor. Unfortunately the only way to make space is replacing locus distortion with it. Despite that stalwart still might be worth it because yokai are so plentiful and we do have tons of enemies.
>>98779273I believe 4
>>98779273Gonna be real, I just took it because I had an extra master and it's helpful to sorcerer powers. I don't really care about it or any of the other skills past what I got as legends desu.
>>98779303nods thoughtfully
>>98779289stalwart -> menThat way you romance women, and fight the men.Maybe your friend sovereign won't like it, but sometimes you got to take a difficult choice. Paladin, Mai or Dark Sovereign? Pick
>>98779308That's 9 points back to reduce cultivation to master. You could have another +8 aura instead a +1
>>98779321or at least 6 points point plus the two +1 auras however you did it.
>>98779321The cultivation legend + technique artistry legend are my two free legend skills for overpowered, so I don't pay anything for them anyways. It would be reducing it to legend to get 7 points back from ceremony. Tbh i'm not pressed for anything in this build, I think its pretty perfect to me.
>>98779013>overpowered>still runs 5 yes F I V E drawbacks
>>98779388>being a sorcerer killer and going for vice
>>98779189>Less than 5% of anons are cuckoldsSurely there aren't that many here
>>98779157>baits another fifty metaphorical ass gropesSlut.
Dark Sovereigns in the water are turning the anons gay
>>98779463Softie bathwater...
>>98779214I don't think you have any chance of being the dominant one in their relationships. Your build is weak and predicated on using outside helpers, you have no way to overpower or show off your strength.
>>98779491>I don't think you have any chance of being the dominant one in their relationships.I don't think he cares
>>98779315Even if men are a minority becoming a raging misandrist seems like more on an inconvenience than racist towards yokai. I actually have three yokai romances (Yuxi, Arisa, and Suzu) so I'd swap them with Junko, Fumie and Sayuri.>>98779388The drawbacks make the story/build more interesting imo. Getting into combat over things like delicacy and trouble maker is the point.
we keep saying that potentialfagging makes cyoas more boring, but are there any cyoas where doing it is the central point, and it offers different types of potentialfagging?
>>98779518Stalwart doesnt actually make you hate a race or sex.
>>98779518the drawbacks exist to pad the build to from an already excessive amount from overpowered into true wanton gluttony because the anon imagines they will cause him no problems whatsoever, irrespective of that is true, or if having this amount of drawbacks makes any amount of logical or narrative sense for the character in universe to carrythe cyoa is braindead easy, even on the most challenging difficulty so long as you have a semi workable combo you can attain anything and everything you'd ever desire with time, the easy mode is explicitly designed for brainlets who didn't read the cyoa and suffered an infantile breakdown in being unable to acquire everything from the get go
>>98779520basically every cultivation cyoa ever
>>98779520any cyoa with a leveling system I guess
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>>98779539I feel as though the "inflicted by a particular group that they hate with seething, violent fury" line implied otherwise. At least it's thematic to be follow the grudge.>>98779546By your own admission it's all easy with time. Potentialmaxxing as people continue to mention is among the best strats. The drawbacks are less to frontload myself and more to create specific interaction dynamics with the setting.
>>98779505Of course he does, he puts emphasis on dominating his waifus in everything.
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>>98779569>At least it's thematic to be follow the grudge.Its thematic but its simply a grudge of your ancestors. And its artificial anyway as your particular ancestors are normies humans in the mortal world.So Kofuko is simply making you genetically like those weird families.
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>>98779520Laboratorium?Btw, Laboratorium vs spirit conscript, which one makes you stronger?
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>>98779570You are right, Yomi is the one overpowering him in bed.And against Futaba you need more political power or money, very hard for him as well.Well, women dominating you is hot as well, if he has that fetish
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>>98779603Futaba is actually relatively easy for him once he gets rolling. Money and clout are things his build will be great at. Yomi is the hard sell.
>>98779563What a shame this and the evolution in the palm of the hand one never got another update
>>98779587> And its artificial anyway as your particular ancestors are normies humans in the mortal world. So Kofuko is simply making you genetically like those weird families.Can't really argue with that logic. I'm still going to take yokai over men but now I can keep one or two in peace. Thanks anon.
>>98779610> Money and clout are things his build will be great at.Clout maybe? I dont know.But money is Futaba's strong point, you need a very specific merchant build to get richer than the richest of the rich.
I wish more people would make big cyoas like spirit conscript instead of boring 1-3 page slop, is anyone willing to share a wip of what they're making? I'm starved for good content
>>98779621Np my guy.I have it myself against men but its not like I hate myself or any men I see. Its a good passive technique if you pick right
>>98779109Jaffa ScreeThank you for your service
Wowan ;_;
>>98779594>Laboratorium vs spirit conscript, which one makes you stronger?Look at the lost espterica you can take.Taking Go-Mi Surgical Techniques would let you syesl every technique in Yoido, Stygian Soul let's you use and/or build any magic system, Daemon Hsrmonics let's you turn every spirit in youdo into your bitch, etc.You're asking which is stronger between a wuxia setting or a fucking cthulhu mythos setting.
>>98778135Why is it so fucking hard to get buildss? All I'm asking, is for anons to take a bunch of extra points and free powers.
>>98779594A fresh Laboratorium build with just Dread Idol alone could solo the entire city.
>>98779636:)
>>98779632I could, but it isn't finished yet, and it would be a lesser experience for it. I will try to finish another page today for your sake.
>>98779594Anpn, the entire Chimera threat that just barely kept in check from lwveling the entire city is something your labratorum can do on a lazy tuesday Before you start upgrading it with lost esoterica, artifacts, rooms, companions, etc.
>>98779663>Why is it so fucking hard to get buildssBecause your post is below Spirit Conscript instead of in the SC post itself, doesn't have a sexy image, and it's a small wall of text.Nobody wants to read it, so they don't see you giving out points.
>>98779632There's big OC from Reddit that came out yesterday: https://imgchest.com/p/pg73el69g4r
>>98779633Man now I just don't know whether to cut Fumie or Junko for Arisa. Suzu swapped with Sayuri. >>98779663I might humour you with an aura burst version of Sorcerer Killer but it's just so excessive. At that point I'm adding something like Mirror World Inversion and Paradox Point for free. Maybe even core's legend status as well.
>>98779610If he wants an honest non-shitpost opinion, he should stick with spirits and go for helpful companions instead of romances. His build is great for wooing them and with g3 alchemy and legend ceremony they are naturally highly submissive and respectful to him. He wants "kemonos and monstergirls" which is exactly what spirits can be and they can change their form to fit his tastes exactly if push came to shove. He doesn't even need harem mode or mystic beauty to get a whole horde of monstergirl looking spirits wanting to drain him, spirits don't care about that. He could swap mystic beauty to signature transmigration to improve his bargaining or something. As is if he wants sex he can already summon a legion of succubi to shapeshift into his perfect women or whatever.
>>98779663They take time
>>98779701Slop
>>98779705>but it's just so excessive.Anon, don't forget that during the aura burst, Everyone Else is also getting a bunch of points worth of techniques too. It essentially turns the entire setting into a full Xianxia Setting where ancient gods that destroy planets with their mind are things people 1v1.
>>98779701This:>>98779109Seems to have come out here, today, but no one mentioned it because he didn't shout: OC OC OC OC OC
>>98779732That's not OC, I just imagechested a pdf.
>>98779109Holy what a long one. It's gonna take me a while to make a build.
>>98779732Universal War is an old one, but anons should play it anyway
>>98779715>starving man>refuses to eat what everyone else eats>demands enormous luxury 5-star feasts onlylol lmao
>>98779720You're not wrong but it's a whole 120 extra points. I'd almost run out of relevant powers to choose and meridian expansions becomes a serious option.
>>98779740>>98779743Ah, I seeI thought it was an update of some kind
>>98779705> to cut Fumie or Junko for ArisaArisa is the best of the 3. Best techniques, lots of utility. Only think of removing her if you dont like having kids or you will try to fight her clan since day 1 (if you don't, even if you try to fight her clan you can convince her to join you and she working like a spy is a plus)Between Fumie and Junko, I am more for Junko's personality and job as Chief Overseer. Her techniques are worse.On the other hand, Fumie can't even control her fighting technique, and when she goes into combat mode is your job to defeat her as well to put her under control of her own body.So, unless you really dislike Junko's appearance and/or personality, she is in general more useful.
>>98779744We're not starving, we have reheated Spirit ConscriptIt's not good, but it isn't the same as starvation
>>98779744I am not playing oc that has me choose what colour my hair is for no reason
>mcyoag dies>just brings their shit here insteadyo this sucks
>>98779760most of them were posting in both generals
>>98778132What happens to my Romances and Harem Mode if I have Age Disjunction (Younger)? Can they keep their hands to themselves until I age back or do I have to fight off hordes of child molesters?
>>98779745>and meridian expansions becomes a serious option.That's part of the point. No one takes then, but the aura limit makes using multiple legendary devotions annoying. You should aim for doubling your aura pool to use more powers.
>>98779778You have to fight off hordes of child molestersIf you picked multiplayer, it's worse
Please post some Tribal themed CYOAs, I need some ideas for the tribe building portion of my beastiality CYOA.
>>98779778>Can they keep their hands to themselves until I age back or do I have to fight off hordes of child molesters?Anon, the leader of the ninokata is a shotacon desperate to find someone with genious talent so her clan doesn't die out.You're likely going to die of broken pelvis before you even hit american legal age.
>>98779701Choose difficultyChoose elementNow Choose your genderNow Choose your ageNow Choose your speciesNow Choose your Skin toneNow Choose your heightNow Choose your body typeNow Choose your Hair styleNow Choose your Hair colourNow Choose your eye colourNow Choose your level of facial hairNow Choose your "Features"Now Choose your "Weapon"Now Choose "Accessories"Now Choose ArmorNow Choose your housingNow choose the buisness you runNow Choose the shoujo mascotNow after 4 pages of a 9 page cyoa, you can choose perks and powersWhy?It would unironically be quicker to link on of those dress up games, or a skyrim esque character creator, simply because you could reuse it
>>98779793>beastiality CYOA.
>>98779796>You're likely going to die of broken pelviscorelet problems>>98779801you used to see it more often in the past, but that kind of empty choice fell out of favor for a reason, people just don't think things through
>>98778135>RaceShapeshifter>PotentialMutated>ScenarioAge Of TruthAge Of TrigramAge Of DyadAge Of Conflict>ConscriptionInstitute Apprentice>LocationFeudal Spirit Châteaus>Benevolent AlterationsSacred FountainEccentric (Magmatic)ProdigyAnimal Blood (Parrot's Tongue, Lion's Appetite)>Malevolent AlterationsAge Disjunction (Younger)FanserviceHellfire DebtOld Grudges>Aura SystemVast Specialist>Recovery DispositionNutrition x2>AffinitiesCore G0Phase G1Flow G3Alchemy G3>TrainingsScholarship Legendary (Science, Medicine, Engineering)>Release TechniquesSense AuraBody EnhancementAnimal Form (Hummingbird)Cloudy Spirit HandWeapon Link: Heaving Stone and Molten IronWeapon Link: Eternal Loyalty and Unerring TruthWeapon Link: Vengeful Ghost and Spectral LanternPerennial Vegetation ConductionFae Spore ConductionTwisted Flesh ConductionSpecial Series: MotionSpecial Series: ContractionSpecial Series: ExpansionSpecial Series: ExtensionSpecial Series: EntitySpecial Series: ImmersionBewitchment Of SkiesFeather Of LevityFour Point Sealing Body SigilCarnal Body SigilTracking Body SigilIndoctrinating Body SigilHerbal Lunar PoolMerciful RecidivismNature AcquiescenceMind SplittingOmnipotent Synchronicity Of The ElementsLegend Status: Encompassing World Avatar>EquipmentQuicksilver Immortality Pills>FactionsRed Demon Clan (Nemesis)Hair Tribe (Nemesis)Jiahao (Nemesis)>New Sect (Xanadu)Feudal Spirit ChateausLuxuryCreaturesSecrets (Special Advantage)>CampaignsVisitations to the Mortal WorldFiller ArcTechnique CollectionGhost at the PartyFinal ExamField StudyNight of Lantern BugsRuin RaiderThe Jade Sovereign's Orthodoxy>RelationshipsZuruzaba (Rival)Teraba The Savage (Rival)Faye (Rival)My superdruid build but with the talent discounts. I got a ton of free stuff.
>>98779801It's a static version of an interactive You wouldn't care as much of you were playing the interactive instead but it's a waste of time with a static cyoa
>>98779819it's the same waste of time in both cases
>>98779760The containment general's existence is the only think keeping /cyoag/ from being infected with monkeypox aids.
>>98779816Flow seems to benefit a lot from the talent discountThey all do but flow more
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>>98779463>his gayness is contagious An evil power
>>98779819I would still care the exact same amountIt's absurdAlso, worshiper count scales directly with divinity, and every option costs one point. Why complicate the point system if it has literally no effect?This person has lost their mind, and because they are a reddit user no one is going to tell them about itAlso also, calling powerful gods elder when you are explicitly a new god is bad loreMost of the powers on offer feel human in scale
>>9877979340,000 B.C.
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>>98779801Agree with this take. Besides my CYOA I'm working on is long enough without it.
>>98779793Forgotten Tribes
>>98779845I don't even know what kind of system it's in and what kind of assumptions are involved in what the party will be facing. A system with an MMO trinity and a system with DnD-like roles are completely different.
>>98779836I choose the gay mystery boxUnless it's too gay
Are there any particular archetypes or skillsets you'd like to see in a fantasy party builder?
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>>98779869Let me be the incompetent but impossibly lucky random that's still useful because of my plot armour
>>98779720This auraburst variant has many more techniques and 72 aura as it stands. 80 tempts me.>>98779753No, I'm rather fond of both their appearances and personalities. I've made my peace with adding members to the yokai population not just culling them. At least they'll all be pale oni. Arisa and Junko it is.
>>98779054He went by Lodeleth back in the day and is in the companion section
>>98779778>What happens to my Romances and Harem Mode if I have Age Disjunction (Younger)?they will fuck you>Can they keep their hands to themselves until I age back or do I have to fight off hordes of child molesters?well, if you say no, they will most likely listen to you, but not because they want to wait.As another anon said, the ninokata leader is a shotacon. Get core legend status, keep being that age forever and you are her dream
>>98779862It's going to be largely standard fantasy fare, with dangerous overland travel and a trap/loot-filled dungeon. You yourself are a martial but there's four subsets you can choose from, including the obligatory spellsword, and a wide range of non-magic skills to augment that.
>>98779889>I've made my peace with adding members to the yokai population not just culling themA true harem master adds member of his wives's races to their population, and cull the men.Then do their daughters as well> At least they'll all be pale onoIs there some reason to not like red and blue onis waifus?
>>98779912>A true harem master adds member of his wives's races to their population, and cull the men.But anon, that's evil
>>98779520Yea Spirit Conscript. The setting actively encourages it with a bunch of options explicitly and implicitly geared for it. The reason it's contentious is it ruins build diversity HARD, but the way it's written is really on that side of things.
>>98778132Are Alterations like Sacred Fountain and Limitless Meridians lost if you change vessel ? I can't tell if the Aura System is part of the soul, the body or both and can be mess with through either the body or soul.
>>98779636Indeed.
>>98779917spirit conscript is exactly what i was asking against so that's exactly the opposite of what i want, it offers one type of potentialfagging and many types of interesting technique build, which is why potentialfagging is considered so boring in it
>>98779793Uncontacted Tribe
>>98779918It's part of the soul. It's why mind splitters don't get multiple aura systems even though they're basically multiple people who just share memories.
>>98779918>Are Alterations like Sacred Fountain and Limitless Meridians lost if you change vessel ?No, it mentions alteration follow ypur soul.Unlike the alchemy vessel transfer power, kufoku can alter souls directly.
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>>98779940>Unlike the alchemy vessel transfer power, kufoku can alter souls directly.Like*Your technique does the same thing his does.
>>98779109I take the Fool and choose to roll a 6
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>>98779955you fool, you dont need to choose rolls, you can just keep rolling repeatedly until your preferred roll happens and then honestly say "yeah thats the number that i rolled" because nobody ever tells you that only the first attempt counts, and it would make no sense if it did because then you could just go "okay well im scrapping that build and making a new one so i get a new roll"ryoas are retarded
>>98779793The Grisly Folk
>>98779912>A true harem master adds member of his wives's races to their population, and cull the men. Then do their daughters as well.It's pretty much the only option. Having a harem and not reproducing is beyond SOVLESS.>Is there some reason to not like red and blue onis waifus?All oni factions are up to shady stuff. It's in part my own preference as well but I've chosen every option that pits me against those two specifically (Foes/Nemesis). Naturally, I've "sided" with the pale oni at least temporarily because of Arisa. Ono and Katsumi are both my rivals.>>98779914>But anon, that's evilIn my case the oni are some of the more evil factions so the situation is a little more nuanced.
>>98779954>Your technique does the same thing his does.No, your techniques is limited to that body. Reread the power. If you vessel tranfer to a body with extra alterations and then transfer out, the extra alterations stay with the old body.Kufoku is much more advanced.
>>98779961the humble "just don't do that":
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>>98779968Your technique isn't limited to a single body. You can vessel transfer anyone you want, just like Kofuko. You don't need to do it to yourself. Furthermore the author has repeatedly spoken about future alterations in the sense of "just do it like Kofuko does", though with the implication that you'll need to experiment a lot before you learn all the ways of doing the many different things possible with it. So it's not a matter of technique capability, it's a matter of your own experience and competence.
>>98779970i have no respect for ryoas so i will always do that
>>98779990Insert *guy putting a stick in his own bicycle* meme here
>>98779993my builds work great so clearly there was no stick if the bicycle doesnt fall overr
>>98779889>80 tempts me.Do It.
>>98779995Okay so there's no problem then.
>>98779520https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxR5CDFOxGsDOXVXX0l1QlFQSmM?resourcekey=0-m3Sgz0KfXboCE4P9KMHZ4Ahttps://imgchest.com/p/dl7p68mg34o
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>>98780006maybe one day, if i ever get around to reading that, i'll make a build for this afterwardsbut not today
>>98779869Martial Healer that gains healing energy by siphoning the lifeforce of those he kills.
>>98779979>"just do it like Kofuko does">Vessel Transfer is an interesting case. In all circumstances you should assume Kofuko is the single highest-level user of this Technique in Youdu. You probably aren't gonna master it to the level he has unless you're an alchemy genius and he personally trains you.>I'll say that Vessel Transfer is by nature a give and take if you add alterations. So if you give Perennial Lotus, you'd probably need to figure out some kind of Malignant Alteration to go with it.WOG
>>98780000Divine Hand is also tempting me which would make my max devotion with everything active is 60 aura. This is getting kind of wild...
>>98779930>exactly what i was asking againstI know anon, just making a point. If you want an answer I might say Cataclysmic Cultivation is a less continuous potential maxer cyoa as your build is more geared to WHAT your potential actually is. There are real chances to choose between more immediate power or greater long-term power as well but it is mostly a matter of what your potential is (and part of Spirit Conscripts issue is there are only 4 and you can max all of them). It's much softer on the actual powers as they aren't really the point. I might also add that a significant difference between the two is resource management. A lot of cyoas that really trigger anons autism have power systems with a fuel source and optimizing this really gets people going (Spirit Conscript with Aura or say Entropist with Souls). Cataclysmic Cultivation has this implicitly with Re (Qi) but it's not elaborated well enough to freak people out and actually a lot of the Re options like the bonus Re reserve aren't super popular.
>>98779940Some Alterations follow the soul yes, but some are only part of the body like Age Dysjunction.
>>98779995>overrAnon fell off his bicycle while typing this post and died in a freak tragic accident. m… quite a shame.
>>98779720>XianxiaIt's 0% xianxia before the aura burst and 0% xianxia after it. Why do you just say random shit like this?
>>98779955Yea I rolled a 1 on it and have hated the bloody fool spirit gift for years as a result so just Sarting it is valid imo.
>>98780019Yeah, Kofuko does the same thing when he's doing it to you, remember? You can't just give yourself an alteration at random, you're probably at best inflicting ambivalent alteration onto yourself if you try.
>>98779563There is literally no reason to not pick Year 0 and Vampire.Progenitor vampires have no weakness to sunlight but have increased stats above any other race.Easy choice here
>>98780031It makes me supernaturally lucky. Obviously I get what I want on rolls :)
>>98780031>>98779955>>98779109I recommend you find the PDF of this. It's way easier to read that way. Also the World is the best gift fight me.>>98779732>>98779743It's old but holds up in most ways, except for the lame power section. It could really use either something more highly specific that matches the setting closely or something more universal that covers all archetypes someone might want to build. Right now it's neither, it's just an authorial laziness slice of generic power without the fluff or breadth.
>>98780036>Yeah, Kofuko does the same thing when he's doing it to you, remember? Not really, kofuko is very much able to give you benevolent alterations without giving you malevolent alterations.Ambivalent is the exception.Without being kofuko, the thing changes. You dont need to reach a limit of your soul before adding malevolent alterations becomes mandatory. Its always a give and take.Anyway, we already know the limit of alterations comes from your own soul + the ability of the one making the vessel. Kofuko is the best at that, and he is already stretching the limit with ambivalent so thats the limit even done by him. If done by just an anon with the technique, even less.
>>98779706You know what, I think you're 100% correct.
>>98780059Yeah, depending on your potential. You aren't starting from zero potential if you try to add alterations to yourself, you already have it spent on the stuff Kofuko gave you. Hence where the author's comment comes from and why it supports my interpretation.The technique doesn't change if you're not Kofuko. Only your knowledge of how to use the technique changes.
You will never beat softie
>>98780070You will never touch softie
>>98780070But I'm so hard?
>>98779961>>98779995Honorless fag.
>>98780075honor is wasted on the honorless, honor, like respect, is earned and lost, the moment you make a ryoa you lose all respect and honor, thats just how it is
>>98780027*Xuahuan.Happy?
You will never beat off softie
>>98780067>Hence where the author's comment comes from and why it supports my interpretation.That, at most, would be in case of not picking an ambivalent alteration and trying to do one yourself. But thats just going to be worse and more risky, let the expert do it.>The technique doesn't change if you're not Kofuko. Only your knowledge of how to use the technique changes.It literally changes. Kofuko is the best in the whole city and you won't reach his level without his help.Trying to do ambivalent alteration, that is risky even for Kofuko, its just a death sentence in your case.
>>98780082No.
Why are you guys so fucking gay lately Inb4 >latelyokay but it’s particularly gay right now
>>98780084>It literally changes. Kofuko is the best in the whole city and you won't reach his level without his help.That isn't a change in the technique. The technique is the same.This is like saying a master surgeon has an inherently better scalpel. No, the master surgeon just knows how to use the scalpel better than the scrub.
>>98780088>lately
>>98780088The multiplayer anons are back
>>98780083But i'm a dark skinned tomboy monstergirl irl?
>>98780021Divine Hand + Time Slipping Saber is basically the penultimate melee combo before Stat-Boosting TechniquesHow are your mundane skills looking? A boost from Legendary Martial Arts on Core/Phase or Legendary Ceremony for Alchemy are just as important as techniques boosts.
>>98780088See >>98780094>>98779760
>>98780088It's unironically softie's fault, he's addicted to the attention.>>98780094This shit was already longe before anything happened to mcyoa.
>>98780099Ok you get a pass.
>>98780090>The technique is the same.We have examples of the same technique being very different. Like Signature technique.>This is like saying a master surgeon has an inherently better scalpel. No, the master surgeon just knows how to use the scalpel better than the scrub.What I am saying is good luck doing a brain operation on your own brain when even the best surgeon, whose level you will never obtain on your own, considers it a risky operation.At that point, just take his offer and let him do the operation himself.
>>98780100i would prefer something like setting sun + misty dusk + time slipping saber
>>98779939Mind Splitting says that Aura Reserve is part of the soul, Vast Generalist talk about the meridians touching every cell of the body, but right after you have Meridian Expansions that increases Aura Reserve. It feels like the Aura System is a third thing overlapping the body and soul.
>>98780100>How are your mundane skills looking?Athletics MasterWeaponry Legend (Sword) Investigation Legend Tactics Master Cultivation Master Acrobatics Legend Stealth LegendI'd have liked to get Athletics Legend but it was a free master and paying the difference for the upgrade feels a little scummy.
>>98780108>What I am saying is good luck doing a brain operation on your own brain when even the best surgeon, whose level you will never obtain on your own, considers it a risky operation.This has nothing to do with the technique being different. The technique is still the same. One guy just knows how to use it better than the other. You don't need signature technique for this, it's explained through knowledge and training already.
>>98778056>>98778079TEN HOURS LATERIT HAS BEEN TEN HOURSAND WHERE DO I FIND OUR LAST THREAD????YOU FLIGHTY LITTLE SHITLove you anonI AM IMMORTAL
>>98780124Hate how people dont understand time zones
>>98780119I am falling to see how your argument matters. I am telling you trying to do like kofuko does, as per the author, its not impossible due to his skill. You are never getting to his level without his help.And your plan was to do like him.So...?
>>98780143I'm glad that you agree with me.
>>98780114Pretty sure pca said you need to pay full price to upgrade, no discount.Legendary athletics would be worth full price for though, it's only 6 points. Use the free master on Technique Artistry. TA is a boost to everything.
>>98780143>>98780108you can get as good as kofuko at it even without his help, its just going to be hardsee >>98780019 for the evidence for this, it says probably (and even if it didnt it would be a demented idea that you literally cant train a skill that someone else was able to train)
>>98780078Fuck you, faggot.
>>98780156That would be a retroactive change. I need athletics to be free for my normal build. You're making me want to drop Stealth in favour of a full priced Athletics though.
>>98780164were you threatened by that idea? why? do you have no honor and are afraid you could be judged that way?
>>98780157Thats my own comment. And the author saying you probably won't reach his level would open the vein to "maybe you could if you really train" but then he shows how you can reach his level>You probably aren't gonna master it to the level he has UNLESS you're an alchemy genius and he personally trains you.The unless shows the path to reach his level, which means his help. The maybe is counting you get his help.If you dont understand it I wont push it. The LWR guy showed me to not enter into a discussion about this kind of thing with anons, they are not gonna change their minds.
>>98780019Nta, this make Mutated weird, it's all about being easier to modify but it got less benevolent alteration than Talented. The alterations are a mess in general, Overtime is a job, Artifact Armory is a storage unit, what does that have to do with body/soul modification. Maybe it's the multiplayer aspect of the cyoa, and the alterations are really about making a backstory.
>>98778132Updated>RaceYokai>PotentialTalented>ScenarioAge of Truth-Satya Yuga>ConscriptionYakuza>Home TerritoryThe Canal District>Benevolent AlterationsSacred FountainProdigyPerennial LotusSignature Technique Spirit Blood (Toughened, Armed)>Malignant AlterationsSealed Power (since martial arts are almost exclusively devotion abilities this isn’t so bad and even comes with an extra power up)>Ambivalent AlterationPurebody + Magmatic>Aura SystemVast Specialist >Recovery DispositionNutrition >Aura Affinities Core G3Phase G3Flow G1Alchemy G0>TrainingMartial Arts- Legend Technique Artistry- Legend>Release TechniquesSense Aura (free)Body Enhancement (free)Aura Draining (free)Weapon Art Porcupine SwordplayMartial Art-Laceration Touch (free)Secret Martial Art-Divine Hand (Signature Technique) >EquipmentFalse Ocular CoveringsFacial Breathing MaskSaika Ikki’s Last Memory>CompanionsRokubi-RomanceFumie (Medic!!!)>RivalsOnoTeraba The SavageChimako>FactionsThe Six-Finger Mafia-MemberThe Red Demon Clan-AllyThe House of Catacomb-AllyThe Hellion Mob-FoeThe Blue Demon Clan-Foe>CampaignsTechnique CollectionFiller ArcAn Enemy of My EnemyPerson of Interest: Shen Roh, Mafia Dragon (Save)Arena Death Matches
>>98780167I said FUCK YOU. Stop talking to me, GOT IT?
>>98778132>>98780177Updated: Dropped limitless meridians as theoretically having access to 4 more martial arts wasn’t worth it even if would have been my only way to deal with certain things. Another Attempt at a Purebody build. Had more fun with this one as I was less worried about trying to make up for its shortcomings and instead made something fun to imagine. Still its potential is capped without figuring out a way to bypass the restrictions (which may be at least partially possible with the right help or secrets) and I would say my undead Purebody ultimately has more going for it but a Massive Red Demon Yokai with four arms and mastery of Divine Hand would be a hell of an opponent. Long term plan is to use Laceration Touch which turns my four-armed body into blades for all intents and purposes and incorporate more sword arts (already have porcupine) into my style and with Saika Ikki’s Last Memory, I will eventually get me several amazing ones.
>>98780172Without his training it's probably no. With his training it's probably yes. Probably no is still not definite no.The point of this is: character generation wasn't unique. There is no special fiat given to anyone by the CYOA, not even you and Kofuko in the beginning.Also you were just wrong about the techniques being different when you said:>Unlike the alchemy vessel transfer power, kufoku can alter souls directly.This isn't even about expertise. You can already alter souls directly without special knowledge and training.You know, just in case you were wondering where this all started.
>>98780178nope, to treat the honorless with honor would itself be a dishonorable act
>>98780176This made me realize that mutated might have been more interesting if it had let us take more ambivalent alterations.
>>98780167The thrill of uncertainty in no way forgoes honor. You're just a coward.
>>98780182>>98780177>those imagesIs this gay porn
>>98780194making a ryoa is a dishonorable act, to play along with a ryoa is acting honorably towards the dishonorable, therefore you forfeit your own honor in doing so
>>98780188>Also you were just wrong about the techniques being different when you said:Wasn't me.Having said this, as I said, I am not going to waste 2 hours again if the other person wont understand. Good day
>>98780195>anons use a pretty boy image-Gay>anons use a muscular beefcake image-GayWe just want to be handsome anon. I am starting to sympathize with softie. Can I be hardie then?
>>98780215I understand that you were wrong just fine. You even proved it yourself with your own WOG repost.
>>98780189>>98780200If you abandon your idea of honor when it's not to your liking, it is manifestly evident you never had any honor to start with. The opinion of an honorless coward means nothing.
>>98780216>Beautiful man-Gay>Handsome man-Gay>thin man-Gay>buff man-Gay>woman-gayThe only thing that doesn't make you gay is becoming a giant monster or something that doesnt look human nor a fetish
>>98780216I doubt you can attention whore nearly as much as he can no matter how hard you try>>98780223There were some okay be the robot experiences in cyoas
>>98780220You didn't even know what I said and talked about what other anon said with 100% confidence it was me, bitch please>>98780226There were a pair of isekais like that, one you become a plant and another a robot.
>>98780222aw shucks, glad that you called me honorable, maybe you're a little bit honorable too, just confused
>>98780041You need to spend 1 auric to unlock parents, grandparents and stocks, but that's pretty much the only drawback.
>>98780223Um actually, performative zoomer asexuality is the gayest shit imaginable. I'd rather see a tok bimbo build than zoomers virtue signaling to each other how sex is bad and we should keep this family friendly to help out advertising corporations.
>>98780176>Artifact Armory is a storage unit, what does that have to do with body/soul modification.Your soul/body was modified so you could commit Inheritance fraud
why was the mother of learning cyoa such ass bros
>>98780226>I doubt you can attention whore nearly as much as he can no matter how hard you tryKek, probably not>>98780223>>98780238Yea these Zoomers are like a Southern Baptist pastor that hates "The Gays" just a little too much.
>>98780041I can't give up on the superhuman potential man buildEven if vampires, especially progenitor vampires, probably potentialfag harder and easier
>>98780231Yeah but that drawback compared to 60 to all stats in the first race, 150 in the second and it will continue going up, at that point you become the potential man of progrenitor races.A fully realized progrenitor vampire might be the strongest being in the world.Add, idk, samurai to add more insult to the injury of the rest of progrenitors.
>>98780254Indomitable human spirit VS Stat brick wallAlthough, maybe humans have the advantage of exp. A human progrenitor would reach the max level much faster than the vampire because it will have who knows how much exp multiplier.The advantage loses strength the more time passes tho.
>>98780190Mutated is my favorite, but I feel like the flavor text doesn't match what you are getting from it, the AP of Challenged with the Alterations of Overpowered would have been better.
>>98780156>TA is a boost to everything.Technique artistry is the single best skill you can invest in regardless of aura type.It doesn't matter if you're casting spells or yelling the name of martial arts moves, having it boosts EVERYTHING to due with aura. It's has the same aura effeciency and power boost effects as martial arts, weaponry, acrobatics, ceremony, and athletics combined, while also stacking with those. You might not get the other benefits like being able to lift cars without aura or exorcise spirits with spells, but Everyone uses aura for that anyway.
>>98780226All robots are explicitly gay
>>98780266>A human progrenitor would reach the max level much faster than the vampire because it will have who knows how much exp multiplierThe ancient vamp will always be benefitting from the bonus from punching upThey can fight enemies with multiple tens of levels on them to get bonus expAnd do more difficult things than should be impossible at their level because of their big stats
God, can you imagine how awesome it would be if the 60-100 years for training up a legendary technique anon was correct? I can't get it out of my head. This would be the greatest thing to ever happen to our understanding of spirit conscript.
>>98780274Every post you make is implicitly gay
>>98780279All the companion builds become the most talented people in the setting, pl/uv/other life extension options become mandatory, prodigy becomes a must pick
>>98780271PCA never understood the balance of the four default options and never admitted it and instead made OP as a sarcastic response to the feedback. Not only does mutated have one less beneficial alteration (huge), it has 10 less AP which makes the 3 extra malignments a wash points wise (especially since the talented build could use his extra beneficial on eccentric). But at least mutated sort of works, the other two are just crap.
>>98779588Anyone know what the writing under the error message and hidden to the side translate to?
>>98780305See that's what anti potential maxers don't seem to get. If training time is reasonable then learning powers after landing is the best choice, but if training time is unreasonable the companions must be insane prodigies and that's only explainable if they have a potential maxer build. Either way we win.
>>98780305Not more talented than any overpowered player build.
>>98780242>Your soul/body was modified so you could commit Inheritance fraudYea this has been my headcannon for a bunch of options like the Bad Karma ones.
>>98780307talented and mutated are equally valuable, if you like malignants you can get more than 10 points from them, one great technique is about as valuable as two basic ones, and the equipment point difference is kind of irrelevantyou still want talented so that you can have a similar build with more focus on positive alterations insteadpracticed and conditioned only exist for weirdos who do gimmick builds, but that's because the meta has settled
>>98780339Bullshit
>>98780342depending on how severe the drawbacks you tolerate, with 3 more malignants you can get more than 20 extra points
>>98780256They would have the best stats at similar level, perk like Agile might help but the basic Agile is already green while while the basic first Vampire is grey, and I have no idea if you can get stats boosting perk like Agile and Unbreakable later, maybe, it's more likely than getting something like Freshly Born first Vampire that's for sure.
>>98780334The overpowered player cheatedThey actually trained to get multiple legendary techniques at a young age when learning even one is apparently supposed to take 60 to 100 years. If we're going by this headcanon >>98780279 then the overpowered player isn't doing all that. The best build then is to make an harem lord build with universal sovereign or lotus, immolation blessing, prodigy and accept that they're going to hard outscale you in another 10 years
>>98780349Okay anon lets say you are willing to tolerate Lifelink (7 points) and you take it in both builds. Talented also takes eccentric because it is just a disguised malignant and we like malignments. Which 3 drawbacks will exceed talented's 16 point head start?
>>98780354you assume that all the companions are giga talented even though there is no mention of such giga talent anywhereinstead you should assume that companions got lucky breaks the same as you did with kofuko, hell it's pretty much explicit witn niwamaru, the same sort of thing may as well have happened to all the other ones too, and you're lucky to have gotten into a nepotism power race
>>98780373What sort of lucky breaks could have sped up their training time anon?
>>98780373So now you're adding headcanon to cover for headcanon? Niwamaru proves nothing because she's in the same boat as you, there is no reason to believe the same thing is happening with every other companion other than your need to cover for your setting breaking fanfiction
>>98780361assuming talented took magmatic with eccentric, then mutated also gets an extra 3 points from rivals giving more from trobule magnet so trouble magnet counts for 8 points in the comparison rather than 5karmic outlaw is cancer, but that's 7 pointswithering blossom is even more cancer, but it's 8 pointsfor a milder version of the same, you can pivot towards the corrupt pool combo for 7 instead of one of those, but that takes a positive alterationif you don't like these, even if you replace one of them with a 5 or 4 point alteration, you're still about that many points aheadeither way, and keeping in mind that your head start was 13 and not 16 (?), you can see that they are still in the lead if you cancermax
>>98780381>>98780385there is precedent for people getting techniques quickly for free, you can call it headcanon if you want but it actually happens and resolves this issue, and by the way this issue exists whether you think it takes 100 years or 10 years to learn a legendary so you NEED an explanation like thiswhat else could have happened, in your mind? and is it headcanony?
>>98780385Also againEven without the companion thing, that change is still shit because it means universal sovereign and perennial lotus are even more mandatory than before since non-alchemists can't even cope about perfecting their affinities immortality technique anymore
The guy saying you take 60-100 years to learn a technique got disproven by companions and characters in the cyoa.Ignore him, he is retarded or baiting for attention, either way, not worth it.
>>98780405Learn to read. Check where the conversation started. >>98780279
>>98780409So baiting. Cool. Get my (you) and be happy for it
>>98780413>people talking about the cyoa is baiting>doesn't understand hypotheticalsHow would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning, anon?
>>98780417Annoyed and hungry
>>98780387>Karmic Outlaw>Withering blossom>if you don't like theseGee you think? Also the starting difference is 16 because Talented starts with 10 more and gets another 6 from eccentric (which is free because they have an extra slot). Nice job throwing in trouble magnet which is the worst drawback besides Withering blossom because it scales, If I am actually masochistic enough to take it I could get it through my Ambivalent alteration on talented.My point is that even taking basically ALL of the worst drawbacks at once only puts you about equal (MAYBE slightly higher) than talented.
>>98780387>>98780361oh yeah, and if you DO take withering, you don't need to take perennial, so that's a further +5 to +7 of lead to mutated
>>98780396>precedentSuch as?
>>98780423trouble magnet isn't that bad, you just need to have a trouble build to deal with itkarmic outlaw is way worse>>98780428you get techniques for free and quickly, niwamaru gets the same treatment, both of those are things that actually happen in youdu
>>98780427>It's perfectly balanced you just need to take Withering BlossomLol, lmao even. Are there even 5 builds that EVER took that drawback?
>>98780434you can substitute one of the lesser drawbacks and you still pull out in the lead on points
>>98780430You're right. Sorcerer Killer took trouble magnet so he doesn't seem scared. Karmic outlaw would ruin anyone's build though.
>>98780430>niwamaruIs another conscript. Give me an example of a way regular aura users could have gotten a significant boost.
>>98780440>no, two precedents aren't enough, i want another one!the point is that it does happen, people bypass the long training times, therefore having super long training times and powerful young people running around youdu isn't impossible
>>98780443Not to mention that some companions just are geniuses.
>>98780438Such as? There are a total 4 drawbacks that give more than five points and one of them requires wasting a benevolent alteration slot. Assuming talented takes one of them, Mutated has to take that one PLUS two more to even have a chance of breaking even.
>>98780446so are you if you stack most options, i doubt noriko has six simultaneous prodigy alterations, something else must have happened to her, maybe she got a special encounter similar to what kofuko did to you, if you don't like that then maybe you can headcanon that she reincarnated with meridians from her pasts life through a freak incident (at least it's similar to the description of terracotta warriors), etc.
>>98780443Okay it is the one true wrong anon. For anyone who thought he wasn't real or that it is just a thing people started saying have a look at this jackass and what he is doing.
>>98780453no, even if you pick something like 8+7+5 instead of 8+8+7 you're still aheadthe positive alteration isn't a waste if you have withering since you aren't using perennial lotus in that case either (in fact dropping that just recoups 3 points, so it puts you 3 more points in the lead)
>>98780456>nooo, i don't like inferrences from the cyoa's text!stick to pill pickers and button cyoas
>>98780459My talented build has false buddha. Try again. Also there are NO 8 pointers
>>98780463withering is directly 8 points, trouble magnet is an 8 pointer once you count the extra points you get from rivals to
>>98780454Noriko is stated to be just a prodigy.>the point is that it does happen, people bypass the long training times, therefore having super long training times and powerful young people running around youdu isn't impossiblethe form to bypass training is to be a conscript whose body was made by an ancient spirit that lost power in exchange of giving you.Going from there to "maybe apart from Niwamaru other companions are also conscripts and we just dont know" its dumb.We are a very very weird case.The companions know those techniques because you dont take fucking decades to learn techniques.
>>98780462>inferrencesSuch as? Besides being conscripted and being uploaded with powers there is no way to cheat training time.
>>98780456I dont think he is. He is retarded.LWR anon was just retarded, maybe he came back.We have at least 1 retarded anon that had the author said "hey, you are wrong" and he didn't give up saying that the author was manipulated to say so.He is genuinely retarded, so I don't doubt he could be here. Ignore him.
>>98780468if kofuko and another spirit can explicitly do it, then so can any number of other spirits or mortal sorcererstying that to the title of conscript is silly, because you can still get vessel transferred or whatever else was used on you even if you aren't a conscript
>>98780473kofuko has more conscripts than you, and others are also making conscripts as seen through niwamaruit's not THAT rare, like you aren't UNIQUE, that's pretty harsh headcanon if you're going with it
I love this place.I love cyoas.
>>98780467Talented also has trouble magnet as a pointless alteration so it is only 5 points. Once again your argument comes down to having to take the only 8 pointer (sorry I forgot it was 8 it's the only one). The worst drawback in the entire cyoa that basically no builds have ever taken (I think I once saw a joke suicide bomber build take it).
>>98780272>Technique artistry is the single best skill you can invest in regardless of aura type.Eh, it depends on what you're building for. Scholarship and Tinkerer are just as overpowered for reasons entirely unrelated to aura, they all you to bring in earth knowledge or earth technology that youdo hasn't ever dealt with before. A tinkerer with the Transmutation technique would be able build anything they want since transmutation given them unlimited materials and can use aura to cheat past scientific bottlenecks right into funky sci-fi bullshit like gravity fields, teleportation/FTL, nanobots, etc.
>>98780473Technically you can if you've got something massively boosting your aura recovery
>>98780489Scholarship and tinkerer are pretty dumb to focus on. Just go to Earth and go to college for a few years, retard.
>>98780468>>98780481>>98780484>all the companions are secretly conscripts like usNew level of retard unlocked.
>>98780493So all of the companions secretly had an aura burst type bonus? lmao
>>98780494Not to mention goes against the point of the cyoa. Sure they're there but let's not pretend abusing sci-fi in this setting isn't weird.
>>98780489>and can use aura to cheat past scientific bottlenecks right into funky sci-fi bullshit like gravity fields, teleportation/FTL, nanobots, etc....Wait, anons not taking Overpowered also need to watch out for engineering autists accidentally turning the coty between into Grey Goo?Seriously... Fuck Alchemists man...
>>98780496makes more sense than your version of "author said it takes years to train a basic technique so companions just ignore that rule i guess :)"mine is an explanation, yours isn't
>>98780481>if kofuko and another spirit can explicitly do it, then so can any number of other spirits or mortal sorcerersNot really. They are better and we have a special soul. So imagine a worse guy doing it, with a worse soul.And then you remember its a G3 technique. So... the number of people that have the G3 to do it in the first place is incredibly low.>tying that to the title of conscript is silly,Conscript, reincarnator, vessel made by someone else. Call it whatever you like.>because you can still get vessel transferred or whatever else was used on you even if you aren't a conscriptread above.Baiting or are you this dumb?
>>98780512>Not really. They are better and we have a special soul. So imagine a worse guy doing it, with a worse soul.these are assumptions, if it happened once it can happen again, maybe overpowered builds aren't reasonable to assume, but talented shouldn't be impossible if someone actually goes looking for them>And then you remember its a G3 technique. So... the number of people that have the G3 to do it in the first place is incredibly low.there don't need to be many of them, just kofuko and two or three other spirits doing it would more than explain 30 young people having strong techniques for no reason
>>98780512It has to be fucking bait at this point
>>98780503Lol nah, I'm not on that guys sideJust saying that technically there are more ways to cheat
>>98780509>makes more sense than your version of "author said it takes years to train a basic technique so companions just ignore that rule i guess :)"Where did the author say that?People are talented in the setting, it doesnt take that long to learn techniques. Its pretty simple.Look, an example of someone you can't say used vessel transfer. Yomi is from the Hair Tribe, that hate alchemy, she got a G3 affinity and a G3 eye technique.She wouldn't get vessel transfered due to how her tribe sees alchemy and how they literally want to kill the Dynasty that does alchemy.What is your excuse for Yomi?
>>98780494>Just go to Earth and go to college for a few years, retard.Anon, have you seen the state of modern colleges? People genuinely come out of them knowing Less than when they started. Kufoku University is likely the only place left you can get the kind of college education earth used to be able to provide. All without bullshit student debt too!
>>98780527>Where did the author say that?Some thread, probably more than a year ago.
>>98780512Nta but that exact quote was posted I think last threadPca said learning a basic technique would take less than a year
If anon is right then the companions are the best of the best of the best, and we can steamroll the entire setting pretty easy.
>>98780504>Sure they're there but let's not pretend abusing sci-fi in this setting isn't weird.Are you one of those people who whine when authors have sci-fi and fantasy in the same setting snon?
>>98780534Meant for >>98780509
>>98780507>Seriously... Fuck Alchemists man...Every aura user in the city between shares this sentiment anon. Even the alchemists.
>>98780540Nah there are settings who do the fusion right. Hamfisting hard sci-fi into a martial arts / esoteric eastern setting that otherwise lacks it is a little dull. Especially when it's proposed as "almost" an exploit to break the setting.
>>98780527>Where did the author say that?here in this general during one of the prior discussion phases>People are talented in the setting, it doesnt take that long to learn techniques. Its pretty simple.goes against what the author said>Look, an example of someone you can't say used vessel transfer. Yomi is from the Hair Tribe, that hate alchemy, she got a G3 affinity and a G3 eye technique.this just means that there must be other exotic means of learning techniques at extreme speed that are not normal learning methods, there needs to be some sort of explanation and this is the cleanest, any other isn't compativle with the cyoa's text and the author's claims>>98780534link it again then, because iirc it was less than a year under the assumption that you have boosters like prodigy, not on its ownthis change from years to less than a year wouldn't be enough to explain the companions on its own, since they have a bunch of great and legendary techniques at a young age
>>98780528>Kufoku University is likely the only place left you can get the kind of college education earth used to be able to provide.This timeline is fucking retarded. Can somebody fire the writers for IRL already? They've clearly been taking drugs.
>>98780520>these are assumptionsLets see.>They are betterConfirmed. Kofuko is the number 1 user of that technique and her rival is a rival, so she should not be far behind.> we have a special soulEverything but Challenged is a very talented soul.So they are confirmed.> if it happened once it can happen againit being able to happen once, doesn't mean it will happen again or that it did happen before and we dont know it. Thats a fallacy. >but talented shouldn't be impossible if someone actually goes looking for themits1. Someone looking for them must be someone of G3 in alchemy 2. Must be G3 and know the specific technique for it3. Must be G3, know the specifc technique for it and want to lose power in exchange of giving you power4. Must be G3, know the specifc technique for it and want to lose power in exchange of giving you power and be skillful enough to do things like KofukoHow many G3 alchemy users do you think are in the city?>there don't need to be many of them, just kofuko and two or three other spirits doing it would more than explain 30 young people having strong techniques for no reasonOkay this is retarded.Retarded level "maybe Junko is the daughter of Yama because those tits are supernatural"
>>98780552I don't care enough about the cyclic arguments that happen here to go digging for some random quoteEven if I post it this exact same argument will start up again in another 2 threads while completely ignoring it
https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/95462224/#95466307>I'd say basics probably do not take a full year if you already know a Technique that's in the same ballpark as the one you want to learn.
>>98780565Yama is my father in law so I can confirm that theory is true.
>>98780531That never happened.The only thing we know from the author is that basic techniques don't even take 1 year.
>>98780572No, he said years for basic techniques. I remember, because I was there. Some guy was arguing weeks. Another guy was arguing decades. Author just said years.
>>98780569To further elaborate:>How long would it take, say an average G1 person with no benevolent alterations beyond racial ones, to learn a 6 point G1 technique from a book? >It's a soft amount, depending on the aptitude of the user, the affinities required for the technique, how or if they're being trained by someone who alreayd knows it, how good that person is at transferring techniques through tutelage, and a myriad of other factors that are too ambiguous to make a numerical calculation for. It will be faster if you have a higher affinity, already konw Techniques that use that affinity, have a teacher, are naturally talented, etc. It'll be slower if you lack these factors. Beyond that relativistic scale, I can't give hard numbers. It's sort of like asking how long it would take a person with a 100 IQ to learn integral calculus. There's so many circumstantial factors to consider that a hard number is nearly impossible. >Even just a general timeframe, like months or years, would be nice. Doesn't have to be hard and fast. >I'd say basics probably do not take a full year if you already know a Technique that's in the same ballpark as the one you want to learn. I don't want to get into the weeds here, if I wanted to put hard numbers on training times I'd have already put them in the CYOA itself.
>>98780552>here in this general during one of the prior discussion phasesAgain, this didn't happen.The most he said is 1 basic technique doesn't take 1 year.I was the one that posted it one or two threads ago. Are you doing the broken phone bit on purpose or just retarded?>goes against what the author saidAgain, you go against what the author said because you either are retarded or you are trying a broken phone thing to manipulate what people think the WOG was.Either way, too retarded to even continue reading this commentRead the WOG and shut up
>>98780550>Hamfisting hard sci-fi into a martial arts / esoteric eastern setting that otherwise lacks it is a little dull.Anon, it wouldn't be hard sci-fi. It'd be the soft science-fantasy shit you see in setting like the elder scrolls or warhammer 40k. Anon was talking about using magic to cheat and skip steps in the process of getting from modern tech to future tech, meaning it'll have all kinds of magic wibblyness involved.For example: you'd be able to shut off anon's nano-bots by using infinite inertia on them, which might brick them permanently since the aura effects might have been running something sensative.
>>98780565>Confirmed. Kofuko is the number 1 user of that technique and her rival is a rival, so she should not be far behind.not a problem, companions are worse than the player character, so this doesn't disqualify companions from being worse types of conscripts>Everything but Challenged is a very talented soul.also not a problem, there are like 30 companions among 20 million youdu inhabitants, why couldn't they have very talented souls?>it being able to happen once, doesn't mean it will happen againbut if it has to happen to make the lore and author comments compatible with each other, then it's the best explanation, anything else is far worse>How many G3 alchemy users do you think are in the city?2 of them explicitly, if there are just 1 or 2 more this is enough to reasonably account for 30 people getting vessel transferred recently without having much else in common>Okay this is retarded.less retarded than the alternative
>>98780570I ended up making a more interesting and logical headcanon than his argument. Junko is compared to a demon after all.Junko is the daughter of Yama confirmed.>>98780569>>98780580Thanks, anon. If he continues after this. Ignore him, he is the LWR retard from yesterday
>>98780580>It will be faster if you have a higher affinity,Wait, so discount anon was right all along???
>>98780583He absolutely said years to that question. I was there. Sorry. I don't feel like digging up something from more than a year ago.>I was the one that posted it one or two threads ago.Then post it again. You actually remember the right exact phrase to search for it. I don't.
>>98780599>>98780569
>>98780598How does one read the cyoa and come to the conclusion that G3 guys won't learn stuff faster than G0 nobodies? The options already say this
>>98780601>they don't take a year IF you already...Oh okay. So if you don't "already...", then they do take more than a year? I was right.
>>98780598I think that was fairly obvious.
>>98780595>I ended up making a more interesting and logical headcanon than his argument. Junko is compared to a demon after all. Junko is the daughter of Yama confirmed.Both of these can be true.. this demon is just too fun to not have around.
>>98780603Anons were unironically trying to argue thst tslent only makes techniques stronger, even when direct lines from the cyoa prove them wrong.
>>98780603>G0Well, G1 nobodies since G0 filth can't learn at all
>>98780603>>98780614We had someone argue that talent doesn't even make techniques stronger recently. He just thought they're prerequisites?
>>98780606>A-actually if you dont know a technique of that level i-its more than a year, s-so I was not wrong a-a-anonNigga you were treating it like learning a fucking basic technique was so much of a problem having 3 of them and being your 20s meant spirit god blessed you with powers.You are retarded and too prideful to accept mistakes, LWR 100%
>>98780614>even when direct lines from the cyoa prove them wrong.Which lines? I don't remember anything about training time in the CYOA itself. This is something that people kept bothering PCA about because there's nothing about it inside the CYOA.
>>98780603It was an argument about limitless meridians again. That in addition to all it's other benefits you can train faster with G3s to which anons said that wasn't confirmed.
>>98780620I just said the author said it takes years to learn a basic technique. This wasn't even a quote from the same conversation I remember, but it's compatible with it.
>>98780626So someone was just mad that potential man builds are viable(and kinda meta)?
>>98780628>I just said the author said it takes years to learn a basic techniqueand thats wrong.He said if you already know another basic technique, its less than a year.It taking yearS is your own headcanon.And all of this ignores that talented people take even less time.So learning 3 basic techniques for the companions, that are specially talented the majority of them, is the effort of 3 years tops. Noriko even less.>This wasn't even a quote from the same conversation I remember, but it's compatible with it.That conversation doesn't exist. This is all we got about timeframes. You simply can't accept you remembered it wrong.Go look for the conversation that you remember, oh, wait, you won't. Right.
>>98780637Not viable. They'd always be viable no matter how this turned out. If you can learn Noriko's lineup in a few months, there's no sense in doing anything other than 100% potential with no room for anything else.
>>98780626>It was an argument about limitless meridians againWhy are people even bothering to argue, limitless meridians is one of the best options in the cyoa period. No amount of bitching will make less people take it.
>>98780642If you breed Noriko, you are talented and have limitless meridians. How much potential men are your potential sons and daughters?
>>98780639The quote already in the thread proves me right. It takes years if you don't already have foundations. Adding on new qualifiers now is just moving the goalposts.
>>98780637Yep.
>>98780645it may be a good option in the cyoa, but its the worst option for the cyoa, it makes all builds the sameat least overpowered exists to balance it out now
>>98780642>Noriko's lineupYou mean the tricks she picked up in a couple months despite having no experience with Aura before visiting the city unlike the other companions and not being a conscript?
>>98780649That's another reason limitless meridians is so good is our genetics become ubermensch level and everyone will want us.
>>98780642>there's no sense in doing anything other than 100% potential with no room for anything else.Yes there is, because potentialman gets btfo by haremfags. A fully optimized haremfag isn't just able to build a harem of custom potentialfag waifus, they can mindfuck YOUR build into joining their harem too. Potentialman is the natural prey that the Haremfag hunts in their native environment.
>>98780662Overpowered protects them.
>>98780659Atp what even is a potential build? Limitless meridians and not fucking yourself in aura capacity? Talented and Prodigy alterations too I suppose. You can learn whatever you in a reasonable amount of time.
>>98780650> It takes years if you don't already have foundationsnope.Copy and paste the quote and tell me where "years" are said.
>>98780658Noriko explicitly does have some sort of cheat
>>98780659Honestly, thats kind of a bad thing. I would like to breed a lot, but having a lot of kids with limitless meridians is dangerous.Its spreading too much power. I would like a technique to recude the potential of my genes passed. Just in case I want to breed Ono or the blue oni twins without my kids becoming weapons
>>98780667It says enough that potentialmans all hide in their own singleplayer universes to avoid any haremfag predators.
>>98780671>literally denying realityLmao. If it takes less than a year to do it with the help of knowing the basics already, then how long does it take to do it if you don't know the basics yet? Oh, that's right. Years.
>>98780655Trying to argue for super long training times is even worse for build variety tho? I already said so here >>98780399 >>98780305Instead of making limitless meridians best in slot you turn making g3 alchemy/perennial lotus harem lords mandatory for builds to not be ngmi tier
>>98780642>there's no sense in doing anything other than 100% potential with no room for anything elseYea basically. Institute Apprentice during age of Truth is pretty comfy as an adventure too.>>98780655Yea all the builds are basically the same as a result and overpowered gives enough breathing room for people to actually make their REAL builds that they would be working up to on talented.
>>98780684>If it takes less than a year to do it with the help of knowing the basics already, then how long does it take to do it if you don't know the basics yet? Oh, that's right. Years?How does your mind work so badly.The thing next to less than a year, is a year. And the thing next to it is more than 1 year.1 year and 6 months is more than a year. Yet, saying 1 year and 6 months are "years" is wrong.Did you understand it now?
>>98780683Harem+multiplayer is very literally a cuckoldry fetish. The moment there's two haremcucks in the same multiplyer instance, they both cuck each other since they picked the same girls.
>>98780673Its called talent.
>>98780692>wow you said years instead of year hahahaAnon you've officially gone of the deep end of hairsplitting. You just argue for the sake of arguing.
>>98780693That's why the original haremfag anon built his own custom waifus, because all the other fags were so busy trying to cuck each other over the prefab waifu's they missed the line about building your own.
>>98780700No, it says something like that it's unknown
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>>98780703Where is that line? I can't find it.
>>98780701>hairsplittinglol, lmao even. You don't believe it yourself.You are the same guy that was adamant about being years the amount of time to learn even basic techniques. Someone brings WOG, proves you were wrong and you said>A-actually he said years if you dont have the basics s-so I was rightTrying to go all in in that you were right because of that. Gets proven that he was wrong even then and now you call it hairsplit? Thats what you were doing, but bad.Ah, I am glad I fully know that you know you made a clown out of yourself.
>>98780693You've reminded me of that fractal cuckoldry cyoa where you canonically get cucked in every other timeline or whatever they wereI think beri made it
>>98780707It was explained as "exceptional hidden talents"The talents were hidden because she didn't practice them until she came into the city.
>>98780712You should have just started with "years is not year" and I'd have agreed with you. When PCA said years, he obviously wasn't being exact. Meanwhile you're trying to pare it down to decimals now. God you're retarded.
>>98780719>When PCA said yearsHe didn't. Try again.
>>98780711Harem Mode Alteration> You'll probably collect many more romantic partners than the ones offered, AND CAN BUILD THEM WITH CHOICES IN THIS CYOA FOR OTHER ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS. You might even have multiple harems if you put in minimal effort.
>>98780722*pats the retard on the head and smiles slighly sadly*
>>98780727If you lie, you lie. Learn from your mistakes and move on. Next time, don't lie.
>>98780725Damn, that's overpowered. You can just make full builds with this, instead of dating "girl who throws around mushrooms". I'm really surprised I don't see more builds with this.
>>98780732Because its the open choice to imagine yourself more girls, and anons take it as "okay, I break the lore and create 9000000000000000000000000 limitless meridians g3 waifus that conquer the city in a day"It's dumb.
>>98780731Didn't lie a single time here. Why are you so invested in this, anyway? I honestly know that the question was answered in that manner. That answer is also compatible with the text in this thread.
>>98780669By the time you get limitless meridians, a vast aura, and full affinities you have spent 25 points out of a 45 base. Combine that with as you said the other options you would be an idiot not to take and there is basically nothing left. Like for me I would 100% take limitless meridians, prodigy, sacred fountain, and perennial lotus. Boom all 4 slots used up. Then I would take technique artisty as that other anon is right that it is crazy good and we had a good discussion about the crazy differential between master and legend and that basically you can't reach legendary by yourself. Finally I would take Illumination of the Heart as it is the one and only protection against a large number of irresistible ass raping abilities.All of these are just complete must haves to me and you might be able to squeeze something more but basically everything is spent.
>>98780732To the guys who were doing this in their single-player builds they didn't postDo you make all of them or do you sometimes just steal posted builds instead?
>>98780740>Didn't lie a single time here>When PCA said years>Didn't say years, said less than a year? Anon...>Why are you so invested in this, anyway? Could say the same to you, at least I am entertaining myself, you are clearly just distressed. Can you confirm me you were the LWR retard? That would make me a lot happier as well
>>98780732>I'm really surprised I don't see more builds with this.Main reason is because anons are borderline illiterate. It's hidden in the description paragraph of Harem Mode, so most anons skip past it to look at the mechanics below it.
>>98780737Too bad you can't do it without harem mode. I kind of hate the premise of a harem, so taking the alteration would be mostly wasted, but making one waifu with complementary abilities could be fun.
>>98780745Yes, that's compatible with years. You're closer to lying than I am by omitting the second half of the line which makes it obvious why it's compatible.
Ladies, pleaseYou're both mid, there's no need to fight
*licks you*
>>98780741Why not make an Aura Burst build or a Talent Discount build like this anon: >>98778132 keeps begging for?
>>98780754>Yes, that's compatible with years.Either he said years or he didn't. He didn't. You said he did.now you are saying its compatible, but one thing is a possibility and another thing is acting like something is.You were acting like it was like that. WOG proved you wrong and you went back on your word and now you are trying to argue that in the worst case scenario of you not being specially talented, nor having other basic techniques, it could be more than 1 year. And from that "could be more than a year" you go to "years, he said years". I explain to you that he didn't and you "you are splittinghairs"It's simply a matter of you lying, not wanting to admit you were wrong and keep lying.Anyway, sadly I have to go to sleep. Have fun lying to other anons in other discussions. Take my advice and say Junko is the daugher of Yama confirmed, it is more credible.
>>98780741There's no reason not to go overpowered unless you want mp for some reason.
>>98780773I want to fuck anons
>>98780746Why would you even want multiple harems? I actually dropped it from my build.
>>98780746>Main reason is because anons are borderline illiterate.
>>98780777Niwamaru is always there...
>>98780779>Why would you even want multiple haremsThat's not the part anons are discussing, it's the part where you can make overpowered custom companions.
>>98780769I like the idea of the Aura burst build so I might do that.>>98780773It feels like cheating to me BUT I have been thinking about it.
>>98780787She was a girl before, that makes her not an anon
>>98780772He did say it, I just obviously can't find it in many years of archived threads. It's not even necessary to argue about it, because the current post is also compatible with years. They show the same truth underneath. I imagine if you're this retarded about arguing that less than a year doesn't become longer when it loses the condition that's making it shorter, you'd just find something else to nitpick about even if did go out and find the quote.Furthermore, why are you even assuming everyone around you is a liar in the first place? Do you enjoy hanging out with people you don't trust or something? What do you get out of this place that you hang out in in your free time in that case?I am honestly telling you the truth. If you keep whining that I'm lying, I'm just going to ignore you from this point on.
>>98780791It's easily the most point efficient way to amass techniques but it's so lame. Most people blasted the original haremfag but praised Chimeralord. One dedicated most of his build towards making the companion and the other did what was essentially a legal exploit.
>>98780796niwamaru was 200% a guy before her vessel transfer, i bet she's a lesbian now too since all the tropes shes retarded about are shonen shit so she obviously wants a girlfriend to act as a quasi dude towards
>>98780798>He did say it, I just obviously can't find it in many years of archived threads.Then try harder. You don't get to make claims without evidence when the other anon already posted proof for their side. Benefit of the doubt is long past, either nut up or get out.
>>98780806Too bad she's getting plapped by every anon who took her instead.
>>98780806Nice fanfiction.
>>98780808Our mutual understanding of the CYOA isn't even changed if I did go find the quote, because it means the same fucking thing as the quote that is here in this thread. What's wrong with you, honestly?>Benefit of the doubt is long past,Why? Who hurt you? Why do you behave like this?
>>98780801>Most people blasted the original haremfag but praised Chimeralord.They only blasted haremfag on mcyoa, and only then because haremfag was an autist that was making builds instead of participating in the group fanfiction writing circle.Haremfag got mostly positive engagement in cyoag, especially for the twin swordgirl builds and the fucking SCP girl. Anons like thirst-trap builds my guy, and haremfag anon made a lot of those.
>>98780824Even if we take everything you said as true which I'm fine to do, it doesn't remove the reality that it's just really cheap and strong.
>The Conscripts of powerful Spirits are quite a rarity, but still constitute a small sect of society in the City Between cut off from their former lives.oh hey neat, the conversation about niwamaru led me to this cute quote that shades heavey doubt on the reasoning of >>98780565they are an entire small sect of society, apparently
>>98780820>Why? Who hurt you? Why do you behave like this?Anon, I'm not the original anon you were arguing with, I'm a third party tired of you both spamming the thread in an argument circling the same point 50 times.I'm picking on you specifically because otheranon brought receipts. Either bring your own or Fuck Off and Stop Spamming.
>>98780769>this anonWrong guy
>>98780834Then you're completely retarded, because if you hadn't engaged in an argument with me over something you apparently don't care about and also under apparently false pretenses, you would have spared the thread 30 posts of argument.Or you're lying and just like stirring shit up. It must be one of those, though.
>>98780828>it doesn't remove the reality that it's just really cheap and strong....you mean like 90% of builds for spirit conscript?Anon, most builds for this cyoa are trying to be cheap and game-breaking in some way. Look at Sci-Fianon above talking about building starwars shit in youdo using just 1 alchemy technique and tinkering legend.
>>98780835Buildanon didn't post the cyoa? My bad then.
so, considering that there is a number of spirit conscripts in youdu, how many spirits do you think are making them? is it just like 5 to 10 really strong ones making many spirit conscripts, or do you think there might be hundreds of smaller spirits who make a shitter conscript of their own each?
>>98780847For all your talk of exploits no one really did either. Star wars anon was an idea and there weren't many haremfags who made a bunch of op custom companions.
>>98780842Anpn, I only replied to you twiceHere:>>98780808And Here:>>98780834I'm telling you and the other anon to shut the fuck up. 30 fucking postings is spam.Fuck you and fuck him for engaging with you.
>>98780847>Look at Sci-Fianon above talking about building starwars shit in youdo using just 1 alchemy technique and tinkering legend.damn, i didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out>>98780489you are correct, tinkering + transmutation is busted strong, however you can't take that to softie levels of "only i matter", it's a great synergy but you can't expect it to do everything for you
>>98780858Anon, how many builds are potentialfags?Honestly, Sci-Fi anon is at least creative. Potentialfags are slight changes of the same build.
>>98780866You're bad at this. The key to stopping replies is to not reply. Here, I challenge you to not say anything in response to my post, and will provide very mild bait to make it a proper challenge.*pats the retard on the head with a sad smile*
>>98780874All potential builds are dedicating significant resources to the idea. Not a single alteration and some equipment points.
>>98780874>Definitely not Sci-Fianon stroking his own ego>Absolutely impossible>Promise
>>98780874I made a potential build with that combo a year ago. I focused more on exploring the solar system. People just argued that you can't make rocket fuel with transfiguration + transmutation for some reason. Also a lot was said about regenerating aura on one side of a portal while doing things on the other side of it.
>>98780892>People just argued that you can't make rocket fuel with transfiguration + transmutation for some reason....what?Transmutation would let you turn sand into crude oil if you wanted, why couldn't it make rochet fuel?For fucks sake, It can explicitly COPY TECHNIQUES.Anons are really out here trying to argue the sky isn't blue if a blue sky is part of a build they don't like.
>>98780905>It can explicitly COPY TECHNIQUESOnce again: FUCK ALCHEMISTS
>>98780905Well, in space, you also need to generate new matter for the delta-v hacks to really work. Which is why making matter first with transformation before converting it into fuel with transmutation makes sense. Maybe that was too big of a combo for them to understand?
>>98780914We got a discussion about this, WOG said just very simple techniques, and with limitations.It can't even make traits freely.Its not that good.
>>98780926That is reasonable in common usage, but I'm also sure that you could build a technique cathedral for a decade and have that work as a legendary technique. These things scale if you put massive amounts of knowledge, resources, and aura into them.
>>98780915Eh, that one is more questionable since transmutation is explicit about inorganic. It'd have been more solidly rules legal and cheaper to use a basic conduction mode as transmutation fuel instead.>>98780926>It can't even make traits freely...but Beloved Name Blessing is a Basic Technique.Belived Name Blessing gives traits.If transmutation can copy basic techniques, it can copy the effect of beloved name blessing.I think this is one of the time PCA i just wrong about what he wrote. It isn't the first time.
>>98780944It's not explicit about inorganic. It's explicit about nonliving. Just summon a dead log, it's both biological and nonliving. Even if you had to summon something living, which isn't the same as biological under explicit logic, you could still just kill it and still get your matter that way.
>>98780944>I think this is one of the time PCA i just wrong about what he wrote. It isn't the first time.happened to me as an author a lot, you don't remember this stuff after a long time passes since you wrote ittraits similar to beloved name blessing is exactly the first sort of effect that comes to mind when you think about transmutation, if it's not that then what could the enchantments possibly be doing?you probably do it for twice the aura that way, but still
>>98780914I agreeWe should be breeding alchemists
>>98780935If you want to be the first engineer of the city, be my guest.>>98780944>If transmutation can copy basic techniques, it can copy the effect of beloved name blessing.I said very simple techniques, not basic techniques.
>>98780968In a good-faith reading, basic techniques are simple techniques. The other way around isn't better for your argument, because if it's about complexity instead of power, then a lot of legendary techniques are more simple than some of the basic ones. Eon convulsion does just one thing. That's extremely simple. This makes it clear that treating it in terms of complexity is a bad-faith reading of the technique's description.-
>>98780968Anon, basoc techniques are the simplest techniques available. If the master status technique that explicitly copies release techniques isn't able to copy basic release techniques, what the fuck is it copying? Not to mention how status techniques are all many times stronger than other techniques on the same tier, like Transmigration letting you summon Any spirit compared to other master summoning techniques.
>>98780990Master statuses offer breadth, but they aren't as good as great techniques in their own specialty. Lecherous odalisques is better at summoning succubi of an average power level for much cheaper than transmigration does, for example. Maybe the comparison is closer with basic techniques, but I think transmutation would still be somewhat worse at doing beloved name blessing stuff than beloved name blessing is itself, it's just closer because beloved name blessing is a basic technique. So you might get something like twice the cost and they wear out faster, without even a single one staying forever on its own. Or something.
>>98780977>While you're here, what's the most you can do with Signature Transmutation before you have to bog it down with restrictions?>Author: I dont konw if giving a concrete example is going to be anyone's solution, so I'll just say if it starts to be exploitative, replicates a release Technique, or clearly exceeds the power level of what's appropriate for a JJK level setting, it's probably not on the menu.
>>98780950>It's not explicit about inorganic. It's explicit about nonlivingSure, but needing to summon and then murder your own summons to make fuel sounds like an inefficient use of points and aura.A basic cunduction techniques are half the points and let you create tsunamis worth of matter continuously for the cost of making 10 humans worth of matter with transfiguration.Unless you're sold on making minor chimera for other reasons, the conduction mode is more effecient.
>>98780326I screenshoted the text and let ai translation do its job so no idea how accurate it might be.The one above is the text more hidden in the corner while the one below is the big main text in the center.
>>98781021This is definitely an invalid WOG. Under that reading, every single given example of transmutation is wrong, because all of that stuff can be done with other techniques. Even some of the non-specific stuff, like "astoundingly powerful", would be entirely blocked off. This means that he's either outright wrong because he forgot what it does, or he didn't phrase himself well.
>>98781011I wasn't arguing transmutation would be better at it, the technique itself says copying release technique is arua expensive and comes with permanent drawbacks on the item. I was refuting anon's stance that transmutation couldn't even do some very basic things at all.
testing to see if i can finally post again.If i can I plan to make my Loser failure PC Surveyor for Spirit conscript, a middling strength PC who relies on Special series Entities and Soul Steel weapons. Seems like a fun character
>>98781021>replicates a release Technique>Power explicitly states it can copy release techniquePCA is just wrong here. Like, just factually wrong.He most likely forgot what he wrote and made up a response on the fly.
>>98781059i usually take entities with flowhow much technique artistry and comboed techniques do you think it takes until they start following orders given after their creationthis is conceptually easy, just make them with "...but also follow new orders" as part of their phrase, i just wonder how much it would take to get there
>>98781059You already made that build >>98779157
>>98781071He does seem to do that. He just kind of shrugs in most WOGs.
>>98781047Or another simple conclusion, if you transmutation to do magical things, they have to be weak effects unless you want to put limitations on it.You can make it replicate techniques, but it will get severe restrictions, it does even with signature technique.Its better this way. The opposite is transmutation doing everything because muh prep time. Now you can have transmutation and have your magical custom made artifacts, but you know they will carry restrictions and drawbacks.
>>98781059Would you mind making discount and/ aura-burst version of your builds for my survey? >>98778135
>>98781071He didn't say it was not possible, but you have to make restrictions to bog it down. Even with signature technique.
>>98781083No, replicating a technique that costs 1 aura for 20 aura is still replicating the technique. Under the WOG, it still doesn't work.I was already assuming it's worse than a dedicated technique anyway. A lot worse than a great technique, and somewhat worse than a basic technique. But if you build a tower out of a million basic technique enchantments synchronized to work together? Well.
>>98781091>Under the WOG, it still doesn't work.read the whole exchange, not just the author. Read the question.
The question about signature technique comes from a discussion about a guy saying he could replicate any technique with just signature transmutation AND replicate the Fairy Star
>>98781097I'm not defending the WOG, I'm saying it's invalid.
>>98781083>Now you can have transmutation and have your magical custom made artifacts, but you know they will carry restrictions and drawbacks.That's not a nerf, that just turns Pre Time into a JJK or HunterxHunter game of finding which drawbacks and restrictions you can either negate with another item/technique or turn into benefit when combined with something else.
>>98781108Classic softie logic
>>98779882There is a luck skill, but an assumption of competence is baked-in. Sorry anon.>>98780017That's a very cool concept, I'll definitely be including it. Thank you. I'm wide-open to any other ideas any of you guys have. I'm aiming for twenty, maybe twenty-five or so companions.
Anon, I think we can all agree we must kill all the Majushin and player alchemist builds.
>>98781109I know, I am asking you to read the question to know why he is saying that. Its valid if you know what was the question.
>>98781119Don't forget all the other alchemists. The majushin are just the most obvious ones, but some entire factions like the sneks and the birbs also focus on alchemy.
>>98781119Just this time, anon. We agree. Just this time. (except the kohas)
>fuck alchemy reeeeCultivation is an alchemical concept you fucking self hating retardsJesus Christ “I HATE SCIENCE”*proceeds to fry up some eggs using a stove*
>>98781128That's in taoist xianxia. There's no internal alchemy here. You don't eat pills to increase your aura pool faster.
>>98781110Given the setting fights againt exploitable mechanics to gather infinite power, it probably is just like an infinite motion machine, it doesn't work.Have X artifact that needs Y from its drawback.Have Z artofact that offers Y from its drawback but needs W.Keep doing that and it probably just means you will make the list of things to offer bigger and bigger and never free much less a benefit.
>>98781133never free and never beneficial arent the same thing
>>98781119There probably wasn't a week between the discovery of Universal Sovereign and getting silvered for all the bullshit they immediately tried
>>98781157i think the other legend statuses would be even worse in that sense, imagine any of them going on a dumbass rampage lmao
>>98781157"the murder of Sattva Panfaetha nearly sixty years ago remains unsolved. So the legendary story goes, Panfaetha obtained enlightenment as his killer thought them dead, and removed their little finger with a dagger to see if they would rise from the pain. Upon this act, Panfaetha felt nothing, leaving no body and only the finger behind."Literally got killed the moment he got it LMAO
>>98781162Let's see>CoreJiahao are chill as fuck and the moral backbone right now.>PhaseNinokata are chill as fuck, disciplined and have a clear goal in mind>FlowThe one that is going to get it lives his life like a plant and does nothing but meditate.I think we are fine
>>98781174no, imagine any single one of them having an "i am invincible" brainfart, they'd all be spectacular
>>98781110>that just turns Pre Time into a JJK or HunterxHunter game of finding which drawbacks and restrictions you can either negate with another item/technique or turn into benefit when combined with something else.That's only scratching the surface too, because we're all talking about Transmutation in a Vacuum.What about when the Alchemist has Legendary Tinkering and individually Transmutes component parts of a larger machine so that all their drawback negate each other until only net positives remain?What about when the alchemist doing the transmutations has G3 Alchemy, Legendary Ceremony Training, and Legendary Technique Artistry all individually making the enchantment orders of magnitide stronger and stacking with each other exponentially?What about what the Alchemist also has initiate staus Alchemy and Beloved Name Blessing so they can add attitional blessings and names on top of each individual enchantment?This very quickly spirals into absurdity with a smart user.
>>98781180The descriptions of the 3 leaders show the opposite.
>>98781193i'm talking about the legend statuses, not the leaders
>>98780266>reach the max levelThere is no max level in that setting.
>>98781189you build the G4 technique machine, taller than a skyscraper, and it blows up saturnnobody knows why, you weren't even close to it, but saturn is now gone from mortal world's universeG4 technique machines are no longer possible for some reason
>>98781189>What about when the Alchemist has Legendary Tinkering and individually Transmutes component parts of a larger machine so that all their drawback negate each other until only net positives remain?>Author: I dont konw if giving a concrete example is going to be anyone's solution, so I'll just say if it starts to be exploitative, replicates a release Technique, or clearly exceeds the power level of what's appropriate for a JJK level setting, it's probably not on the menu.Capped.Just like the rest of your ideas. My guy, they had thousands of years to try to exploit the technique, nobody did it.The author capped transmutation, even the signature version, to not be able to do those things.Do you think infinite motion machines exist? In the same way they don't, the laws of the setting stops your plans.
>>98781189Anon, don't forget that this all hinges on You being the one holding your magic ironman suit, and that none of the phase ninjas sneak in and steal it while it's on the charging station.
>>98781201that's like saying you're capped in how many golems you can build and there's no way you can build a thousand of them because nobody ever did something like that beforeat some point it stops being reasonable to just assume you can't do things that are visibly and logically possibleif he wants to build an array of millions of enchanted objects that work in concert, and goes through the work and expense of doing so, it will do something spectacular and never before seensaying anything else is just being a contrarian shitter who wants to ruin anons' fantasies for no reason
>>98781206Just put wards around it. Easy.
>>98781208>at some point it stops being reasonable to just assume you can't do things that are visibly and logically possibleWOG put clear limits. What you are trying to do is the equivalent of the infinite motion machine, it simply doesn't work.You think if you make 10-100 or more creations at some point they will feed each other and be free. It will never be the case it will probably do the opposite. >if he wants to build an array of millions of enchanted objects that work in concert, and goes through the work and expense of doing so, it will do something spectacular and never before seenLet me help you>Author: I dont konw if giving a concrete example is going to be anyone's solution, so I'll just say if it starts to be EXPLOITATIVE, replicates a release Technique, or clearly EXCEEDS THE POWER LEVEL of what's appropriate for a JJK level setting, it's probably not on the menu.Hope I helped you
>>98781222that wog contradicts every single word in the technique's description, so it can be safely ignored
>>98780041I think you can go even crazier.So as I understand it, extra stocks by spending auric is limited by the race and number of ancestors, so if year 0 spend all auric on stocks they could choose 10 stocks out of a selection of six copies of the perk, six +4 luck and six +4 to any stat since those are the 3 human stocks and you have 6 human ancestors.In theory you could start as a vampire, spend auric possibilities to unlock ancestry, make the parents high vampire and take two stats boost stocks, the +55 or +150 twice.
>>98781201>CappedAnon, JJK's powerlevel has people creating personal moble pocket dimensions, adaptive immunity to abstract concepts like the idea of cutting, Creation of impossible paradox matter with infinite pressure, creating virtual mass from nothing, infinite energy machines made from a childhood promise, and even alien sci-fi shit in the sequel.To put this in perspective, most dragonball z characters would die horribly in JJK.
>>98781228For example?
>>98781234>Anon, JJK's powerlevel has people creating personal moble pocket dimensions, adaptive immunity to abstract concepts like the idea of cutting,You know what people mean with JJK level setting.>To put this in perspective, most dragonball z characters would die horribly in JJK.Lol, lmao even.Yamcha kills everyone but Gojo by himself.
If I was mostly interested in surveyor work, is there a Home Territory that leans toward that? Are new spirit realms all far off in arbitrary directions?
>>98781235>replicates a release Techniquethe technique outright and explicitly tells you it can replicate release techniques, this is the most fundamental contradictionbeyond just that direct and fundamental contradiction, every single concrete example of what transmutation can do is also a replication of other release techniquespermanent enchantments? a lot of them, beloved name comes to mind, but there's probably thirty other techniquescobalt blue fire? there's a blue fire conductionlevitation? many flow and phase techniques let you do it>if it starts to be exploitativethe definition of exploitative depends on the context, if some retard argues he can immediately blow up youdu within a few days based on some poorly thought through technicality, that's obviously an exploit, but if he argues he can do it after months of gathering expensive resources and strenuous expert building, it's not (assuming singleplayer, since multiplayer brings additional considerations) exploitative anymore>clearly exceeds the power level of what's appropriate for a JJK level settingnot a problem, since this still puts the theoretical ceiling at the high end of legendary techniques, and consequently there's still nothing stopping you from arraying many legendary-level enchantments to produce an even bigger one in some manner
Shut up, all of youhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/7o4irKIvYdghttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/HksdfJtBSqU
>>98781254I think they're in all directions. You only have heaven and hell to avoid, but other than that, everything outside of youdu's boundaries is spirit world. To get to other worlds like back to earth you need more specific portals and similar.
>>98781238>You know what people mean with JJK level setting.Anon, have you never seen a shonen anime? All the JJK-type settings have esoteric bullshit and protags killing god with the power of friendship.I think you don't have a very good grasp of anime.>Yamcha kills everyone but Gojo by himself.And now you undermine yourself by sounding like a butthurt dbz casual.
>>98781254The spines, by the way, are usually good for anything where you need to travel a lot.
>>98781262i don't need to watch that, i have my own bugging me
>>98781258>this is the most fundamental contradictionIt isn't. The author didn't you can't replicate release techniques.This was the question>While you're here, what's the most you can do with Signature Transmutation before you have to bog it down with restrictions?The question is about what can you do before bogging it down with restrictions.Even with signature technique you can't just copy release techniques without restrictions that bog it down. I knew you would say this ignoring the question.>but if he argues he can do it after months of gathering expensive resources and strenuous expert building, it's not it is. Sorry anon but muh preptime of 3 months is not enough to blow up the city. And doing that is above jjk level in the first place.>not a problem, since this still puts the theoretical ceiling at the high end of legendary techniques, and consequently there's still nothing stopping you from arraying many legendary-level enchantments to produce an even bigger one in some mannerand this is the type of thing the author had in in mind with exploitative.All variations of "I make X artifacts and I blow up the world" is exploitative and above JJK level setting.Transmutation was meant to be "create material, objects and do some little enchantments to them" not "hey, wanna blow up the world?"But you guys are too obsessed about finding exploits to the point of thinking adding two magic stones replicates a kamehameha because muh preptime of 2 days
>>98781262a great flower bloomsannouncing itself to godcat lapping water
>>98781270>All the JJK-type settings have esoteric bullshit and protags killing god with the power of friendship.those are above jjk then.You can't just think those setting are jjk level and say things clearly above jjk level.>And now you undermine yourself by sounding like a butthurt dbz casual.Let's see something simple. Sukuna's biggest attack, fuga, was treated as a nuke that nobody could survive.That attack is weaker than the kamhemahe of roshi in the budokai tournament, that destroyed the moon.Yamcha is thousands of time stronger than that roshi, and is stronger than a guy (vegeta saiyan saga) that could destroy a planet.Now tell me, does Yuta defeat Yamcha? Yuji? Hakari? Sukuna?Yamcha is a planet buster.
>>98780266>>98780275Nta. I remember doing the math with an estimate based on how the upgrades we see go. A maxed out human trait would end up somewhere around 10000% bonus EXP, and would have some other bonuses too as traits seem to gain new effects every 3 rarities, one of them is skill learn speed, the last one is also probably some other sort of "get shit faster" power. The vampire would have something like 60000 in all stats other than luck at max rarity, with unkown secondary effects at green and orange rarity, which may not even be start related but we don't know for certain. So in a closed off system with a level cap the vampire has the advantage, but since the system doesn't have a level cap, and because of how EXP is calculated, the human will eventually catch up and surpass the vampire. The human is also going to be consistently hundreds of levels higher than the vampire since they need to only kill 1 higher level monster to shoot up hundreds of levels. And lastly, because of how the cyoa works the human can technically get multiple staggered copies of that trait so that they eventually all result in multiple red versions of it, while the vampire can't do that because you can't take vampires as a parent.The human will also have a shitton of, and better, drops. Being higher level increases drop rate and quality so the human is forced to get a lot more drops simply by the nature of leveling up so fast.
>>98781274We should rank places to live by how good they are. Limbo is underrated
>>98781300>You can't just think those setting are jjk level and say things clearly above jjk level....did you not finish the series anon?>Sukuna's biggest attack, fuga,>fuga>Sukuna's biggest attackNevermind, that answers my question. At least google the shit you're talking about before making yourself look retarded.
>>98781291sorry anon, but you need to judge the technique as equivalent to the technique that theoretically let you:>build strength without limit>build resilience without limit>shapeshift into anything biological>summon any spirit whatsoever>lets you turn any conduction into a conceptual boost for your bodyand so ontransmutation is their peer, and it's designed around an entire separate minigame of enchanting objects that the others don't engage in, therefore it's extremely good at thatany interpretation against this is just contrarian shitterhood
>>98781314>...did you not finish the series anon?I did. Start naming feats or gto. >Sukuna's biggest attackIt is.The world's slash is smaller.
>>98781302The stat changes of the vampire aren't part of the perk.
Oh man an argument about Transmutation copying techniques. It feels like old times. The meta issue has always been that if magic was real and actually had real utility that clever usage would eventually outstrip everything else and the setting itself would lose what makes it interesting.
>>98781323>Start naming feats or gto.Anon: >>98781234>Anon, JJK's powerlevel has people creating personal moble pocket dimensions, adaptive immunity to abstract concepts like the idea of cutting,>Creation of impossible paradox matter with infinite pressure, creating virtual mass from nothing, infinite energy machines made from a childhood promise, and even alien sci-fi shit in the sequel.^Did you already forget my first post?^>The world's slash is smaller....anon, by your logic fuga would have worked on gojo.Do you also thing a thrown rock is more powerful than a sniper round? The rock is bigger isn't it?
>>98781274The Spines works
>>98781305anahata is best for the vibesfeudal spirit chateaus is overpowered because the institute and kofuko are thereborder wilds are only good for beast hunters and surveyors unless you want to roleplay someone on the run or somethingthe lunar ring is interesting if you make a secretly criminal but outwardly upstanding build of some sort, other than that i find it boringthe devil moon is shit unless you are an evil blue demon yourselflimbo is lame because you have better options as a surveyor, exorcist, and institute apprentice, the only ones who really want to go down there in most casesthe canal district is actually really underrated, it's similar to anahata in a lot of ways but allows for more coherent mercantile and intelligence shenanigansthe spines is peak for anyone who needs to get around a lot, including to and from earth if they don't have their own means of portaling therespiral summit is good if you want to target the elite of youdu in some way, like an assassin or luxury service providergreat ruin isles are shit unless you're hiding out and don't want to be found as roleplaythe tribelands are cool if you want to get in touch with your inner furrythe bureaucratic quarter is nice if you want to be an overseer or something worse like a desk job, but why would you do thatthe industry docks is just bait for yakuza fights
>>98781316>build strength without limitLimits is aura. A very limited source>build resilience without limitLimits is aura. A very limited source>shapeshift into anything biologicalNothing really that impressive.>summon any spirit whatsoeverNope. It uses aura to create a bait, depends on the spirits willing to take the bait. And then uses even more aura to create a temporal body for them.Not "any" spirit, and has several drawbacks. Its mostly just a beacon for spirits to come.>lets you turn any conduction into a conceptual boost for your bodySaying "conceptual boost" makes it seem a lot stronger than it is. Its another conduction that enhances your stats based on conductions.>and so onyeah, good kinda meh powers. Nothing to the point of "my drunkard friend and me in two months created a nuke that is going to destroy the city :)">any interpretation against this is just contrarian shitterhoodI am saying what the author says.At least you stopped saying the WOG contradicted the cyoa. I guess you realized it.
>>98781346why would i need to repeat the same thing over and over? yes, the wog still fully contradicts the cyoa, therefore we can safely ignore itif you want to play the wog way where transmutation literally does nothing, be my guest, i'm not going to do that, have fun anon
>>98781340>^Did you already forget my first post?^Yes, low tier setting with some hax powers.Again, Yamcha solos them all except Gojo, carried by limitless's barrier, that stop working with stronger dbz characters.>...anon, by your logic fuga would have worked on gojo.If Gojo didn't have his own domain expansion as a defense, it would.But that was not my logic at all, by "my logic" what do you mean?>Do you also thing a thrown rock is more powerful than a sniper round? The rock is bigger isn't it?I didn't say it was stronger. I said it was his biggest attack, treated like an almost unescapable nuke that would kill everyone.When in dbz is a low tier attack everyone and their mother can do better. Stronger and in size.
>>98781351>yes, the wog still fully contradicts the cyoa, therefore we can safely ignore it>his argument is saying the WOG says you can't copy techniques>the WOG says you can but it will have restrictions>Noooooooo! That contradics the cyoa! You should be able to copy without restrictions!!!Are you dumb on purpose?
>>98781302Vampire start with around 50 levels up spread around, a level 1 vampire killing a level 21 monster would earn around 10 millions % more EXP. If you start as an high vampire you start with around 130 levels worth of stat points.
>>98781346>Its another conduction that enhances your stats based on conductions.It isn't. It gives you their unique properties, which you have to interpret conceptually. What does fire do? Make you hit stronger, move faster? What does shadow do? Make you stealthier? Those aren't elemental properties of those elements. They are conceptual.
>>98781343Devil Moon is awesome, nowhere else has as much sex and food and vice. Very few moralfags too. It is the best place for any Vuseba-seeking corechads.
>>98781366are you? you still haven't justified how transmutation is a peer to the other master statuses by the way, you just said "buh muh aura limits" as if transmutation doesn't have thosegive a coherent explanation how, in your view, transmutation is a competitive choice
>>98781358>I said it was his biggest attack, treated like an almost unescapable nuke that would kill everyone.Anon, it's not though. Fuga is a fraction the size of Malevolent Shrine.
>>98781343>anahata is best for the vibeseh, its clearly tokyo.>feudal spirit chateaus easy to go to school and visit your bro I guess.>border wilds are only good for beast hunters and surveyors unless you want to roleplay someone on the run or somethingshould be good with karmic outlaw>the lunar ring is interesting if you make a secretly criminal but outwardly upstanding build of some sort, other than that i find it boringeh, also good place to remove the hellfire drawback>the devil moon is shit unless you are an evil blue demon yourselfor if you are tok>limbo is lame because you have better options as a surveyor, exorcist, and institute apprentice, the only ones who really want to go down there in most casesits great for hiding and for getting in the city without getting noticed. So any stalker build or any build meant to fight the Law and the top powers. Bloody fog for example.>the canal district is actually really underratedagree>the spines is peak for anyone who needs to get around a lot,and seems like a beautiful place. And not even that crowded.>spiral summit is good if you want to target the elite of youdu in some way,or visit Futaba>great ruin isles are shit unless you're hiding out and don't want to be found as roleplayagree>the tribelands are cool if you want to get in touch with your inner furryor outside furries>the bureaucratic quarter is nice if you want to be an overseer or something worse like a desk job, but why would you do thatJust goody two shoes would go there>the industry docks is just bait for yakuza fightsor you like the smell of sea salt, a great smell that the cyoa for some reason treats as bad
>>98781393I will, if you don't escape the argument you started.You said WOG contradicts the cyoa, it doesn't. I explained to you how it doesn't and now you want to escape to compare with other master statuses. I will do that but first lets finish this point.
>>98781343I took fuedal on my spirit summoner for obvious reasons, easy place to start attracting and subjugating/dealing with spirits. I could probably get some spirit servants before I leave kofukos desu.
>>98781373>. It is the best place for any Vuseba-seeking corechads.The best place for that is the arena and tournaments.You know it will have blue onis and the yakuza searching for recruits.>Be human>Be strong>Go to tournament>Win tournament>Blue onis notice you>they want you to marry one of them>No, nooo, dont kidnap meAnd if you want the twins and/or Vuseba. Be beautiful and be stronger than the last point
>>98781358>Yes, low tier setting with some hax powers.>Again, Yamcha solos them all except Gojo, carried by limitless's barrier, that stop working with stronger dbz characters.>hax powers>yamcha solosAnon, the dbz cast aren't very good against hax.Most of them would die again psychics from yu yu hakusho.The dbz cast is hyperfocused flying bricks. In cyoa terms they'd be core/phase users with initiate flow.JJK has multiple cast members other than gojo that would just instantly kill them with bullshit esoteric powers because the dbz cast would start the fight trying to punch them.
>>98781413okayit contradicts it directlyhappy?
>>98781429>Anon, the dbz cast aren't very good against hax.>Goku and Jiren destroying Hit's time skip>Buu, Piccolo and Gotenks escaping from an isolated dimension>Vegito retaining his powers through becoming a candy and from getting absorbedThey are good, but fighters simply tend to not have hax.>JJK has multiple cast members other than gojo that would just instantly kill them with bullshit esoteric powers because the dbz cast would start the fight trying to punch them.Dbz characters outspeed and oneshot.Tell me what characters would survive Yamcha's punch. Let's assume they can use energy to enhance their defense, because realistically Yamcha just blitzes.
>>98781434>my argument is I dont have an argumentGo to sleep anon, you are too tired.
>>98781371>It gives you their unique properties, which you have to interpret conceptually.NTA and tangential, but reified champion is pretty ass comparr to amplification series: medium sublimation.Reified champion costs 50% more, but is limited to close range physical boosts, while medium sublimation affects All release techniques and includes the same physical boosts, because the physical enhancement technique is free.
>>98781447>Tell me what characters would survive Yamcha's punch. Let's assume they can use energy to enhance their defense, because realistically Yamcha just blitzes.Every single cursed spirit, for the same reasons that cell and buu were so hard for the dbz cast to deal with dedpite multiple attacts blowing them apart: easy regeneration.None of the dbz cast have cursed energy either, meaning they can't stop CS regeneration or kill them permanently.There are multiple cursed spirits that instantly kill people on touch unless they have a specific resistance, like mahito.
>JJK vs DBZ>new shitposterfuckany good cyoas in the past few threads?
Cyoas with geopolitics? Not necessarily about being in control of a nation or some such; geopolitics being a major factor is enough, like Witches n' Inquisitions. However, a map of the world is a necessity.https://imgchest.com/p/5xy285wr8yl
>>98781479Doesn't that resurrection shit apply to sorcerers too, since they come back as cursed spirits if you don't kill them with cursed energy?
>>98781459They aren't quite the same thing, apart from just one of them being legendary. Reified goes conduction to body. Medium goes from conduction to any technique. Furthermore, medium sublimation doesn't have as much of its own emphasis on the conceptual aspects of the elements, meaning that it depends on the recipient technique already being conceptual to get a conceptual technique out of it. If you use medium sublimation on, say, illumination of the heart, that will be some sort of conceptual defensive boost, but that's only because illumination of the heart is already a fairly conceptual type of technique. In most cases, it's supposed to just add elements physically to other techniques.They're both great techniques for very different purposes. Reified really is about being a core-phase-chad, except without much core or phase being necessary, but they sure combo well, if you get the core and phase initiate statuses at least, this will be very strong. Medium is actually worse for comboing with resolute center and oscillating motion, because it lets you get away with less in the body-boosting context, being more relegated to direct stat boosts rather than the wonky stuff reified lets you get away with. Of course, if you have both techniques, they can be stacked on the same body boosts, which is even more powerful.
>>98781479>Every single cursed spirit, for the same reasons that cell and buu were so hard for the dbz cast to deal with dedpite multiple attacts blowing them apart: easy regeneration.Spirits are not like buu or cell (well, Cell had a retcon of his brain tissue but anyway). You could desintegrate everything but 1 cell of buu and buu regenerates.Spirits die if you destroy their heads or their cores.One punch of yamcha has enough strength for them to become paste on the floor. They don't regenerate from that.>None of the dbz cast have cursed energy either, meaning they can't stop CS regeneration or kill them permanently.I see you went the coward route of no verse equalization...>There are multiple cursed spirits that instantly kill people on touch unless they have a specific resistance, like mahito.There is one, Mahito.Anyway. In this case of yamcha vs cursed spirits. Its easyYamcha hits them, they become paste on the floor. They can be affected by physical attacks without cursed tehcniques (see Nanami hitting a wall, breaking it and letting dubris be on Mahito as a way to slow him to stop the fight)Easy.Although its easy, its pretty telling how you went for no verse equalization to try to do this. If you had confidence in the verse, you would have chosen the sorcerers, that are the strongest characters, or made verse equalization.No verse equalization doesn't matter when comparing the power level of verses, but I entertained your idea despite how dishonest it was.
>>98781521>>98781459Oh, also. Medium sublimation is just for external combos. It's redundant with other flow techniques that already accept conductions into them. You aren't getting anything out of using medium sublimation on entities, because the entities are already natively sublimated, for example.
>>98781526>They can be affected by physical attacks without cursed tehcniques (see Nanami hitting a wall, breaking it and letting dubris be on Mahito as a way to slow him to stop the fight)NTA and I have no dog in this fight, but hanami the big vegetation calamity spirit was killed by gojo by literally squeezing her against a wall with the force of his limitless, it didn't require cursed energy to kill her, just good old high pressure.
>>98781560That too. Its simply pretty funny to think that a guy could destroy a planet but somehow a being from a species that die from pressure is going to survive.
I would deep throat Gojo’s fluffy white member with due haste.
>>98778132You know what I realized? We and the CYOA itself are way over complicating gaining an unnatural life span. We know lifespan can given to people with Lifegiving Immolation Blessing and anons were suggesting taking that ability and selling life span to people. But do we really think no one has thought of that before? Most humans wouldn't want to do that but the Spirits have infinite lifespan and mastery of alchemy. I would be willing to bet there is already an estimated lifespan trade and as long as we are willing to pay up or be on the good side of the right spirit we have nothing to worry about. And that's the best part, we already are. Kofuko is the man.
>>98781593of course spirits would have done it, it's probably one of the reasons their cults are so strong
>>98781593Tbh that type of thing makes a build like softies stronger, to the point if I was him I'd consider not even taking perennial lotus. get a subjugated spirit with that technique or teach a subjugated spirit that technique and you're immortal just like that.
>>98781620Soon, he won't even need a build at all anymore. He's just going to say "aura" and that'll be it.
>>98781526>Spirits die if you destroy their heads or their coresNo the fuck they don't. Spirits regenerate from amything unless you used.In fact none of the dbz cast would even be able to see or tpuch spirits if we really get ing the weeds. They aren't things with bodies and aren't like dbz ghosts, they're classifal ethereal spirits.>verse equalization...Verse equalization is bullshit and you know it. Different powersystems are different. DBZ gets fucking hard-carried by verse equilization because it removes all the weaknesses of being a flying brick power user.>There is one, Mahito.Eso's RotUraume's IceThat's not rven getting into crazier shit.
>>98781599>of course spirits would have done itThat's what I am saying it's basically guaranteed but the CYOA isn't written like that is the case. Legends of False Buddhas living for millena? None should care when the Trigram's cult leaders have been alive for 10,000 years.
>>98781560>with the force of his limitless, it didn't require cursed energy>LimitlessAnon...
>>98781620That's tempting, I will seriously consider that.>>98781626Don't give me ideas like that anon.
>>98781635its a treat for anons with iq above 100like duh, an alchemy technique that humans have massive costs for using but spirits, who are the masters of alchemy in particular, can use it without any issue?
>>98781620>I'd consider not even taking perennial lotusWhich is why I posted. There are so many things that could be in that alteration slot, that an alchemy build shouldn't bother (already an argument to be made with just False Buddha), and everyone else should ask themselves if they really need it or if they can buy until they achieve their affinities impermanence.
>>98781592Gojo is too feminine for me desu
>>98781593Yep, it's one of the more obvious exploits that PCA didn't seem to realize while writing. Makes False Buddha even more useless, since logically every single Aura Slave in the city should be immortal (though a smart spirit probably only gives them a few months at a time to keep them indentured).Personally I ignore it because it kind of breaks the setting, but it definitely works in multiplayer.
>>98781641>It's a treat for anons with iq above 100Guess I am a squirrel in the winter
>>98781657>Personally I ignore it because it kind of breaks the setting, but it definitely works in multiplayer.It really does along with a bunch of other stuff. The setting has spirits living (and ruling) among mortals but forgets all the implications at multiple points.
>>98781657The spirit Lifegiving Immolation Blessing kind of breaks the setting.The power has no aura cost, so even a tiny spirit could give everyone in youdo functionally infinite lifespan, making the entire race to immortality retarded.
>>98781650NTA and i'm >>98781640 but yea I might do that. I dunno what I could do with the three points, but off the top of my head I could have signature technique spirit subjugation and oblative gesture which could be cool.I did genuinely consider instead of 60 aura going universal sovereign, I would have 17 points if I went to 50 aura and took off perennial, but then I have a problem in having delicacy. While I definitely think I can leverage delicacy as a human, as a spirit with universal sovereign I think I really really really don't want delicacy, which means I'd need to make another two points somehow.
>>98781676>The spirit Lifegiving Immolation Blessing kind of breaks the setting.*Does kind of break the setting. I was ageeing with you>>98781657 anon
>>98781593Established*
>>98781672>>98781676>>98781657you don't know the proportion, the population we know of is the mortal one at around twenty million and things really change depending on how many spirits that participate in civilization there arewhat if there's fifty million irrelevant fairies that are considered more like animals than people, meanwhile the number of people-like spirits is just twenty thousand, and of those spirits only a few hundred know lifegiving immolation? or maybe it's considered taboo to sell it because then the exorcist start considering you a cult leader or something
Handwaves it with price fixing cartels
>>98781687And yet the Exorcists are bloody swamped with work.
>>98781699doesn't mean the mid tier spirits can feel safe about breaking the law
>>98781687Anon, the issue is that numbers don't matter. ONE spirit can give a million years to everyone in youdo, because there are no aura costs or time penalties to transfering lifespan. Spirits have infinite lifespan.
>>98781707lifespan is just one issue, you have to actually access people to do it to them, even with a conveyor belt and doing it all day it would take a long time to touch millions of people, and there's no way spirits that are strong enough for great techniques would condescend to factory work, what they want to do is surround themselves with cults and work on their own shit, not just give lifespan to everyone for no reason, and this creates scarcity
>>98781704>can feel safe about breaking the lawThe whole bloody city is gang run anon. Law and order is a dam pretence to corruption that makes the third world look like Singapore
>>98781718okay, but isn't that even worse for stable business?
>>98781713Well of course the plebs still die of old age but just like real life the 1% would all be doing this.
>>98781725yeah, sure, they would, though it's more complicated than just that, the exorcists and religious factions and so on demand that it is, as does corruption and violence
>>98781713>and this creates scarcityNot if the only price for it is becoming an aura slave. Every single person that submits their aura means a million years of increased aura capacity for the spirit. People would be lining up at temples like they were giving out free blowjobs and pudding.There's also no reason for the big spirits to refuse new slaves. It takes one moment and no personal cost for the spirit to extend someone's life by multiple kalpa.
Ok by taking eccentric and realigning my shit I found a way to take universal sovereign, and I would have one free alteration slot which I'm thinking should go to universal sovereign. What do you guys think if I did this?
>>98781737aura slaves are a more specific thing than most spirit worshipers, an aura slave actually needs an aura system that holds more than a point or two and regenerates them over the course of a month, so they're pretty rare, and probably seen as a luxury for the wealthy among spiritsmost spirits try to cultivate worship in large ceremonies, not aura slavery specifically, and will try to get people to provide it through any means they can, this doesn't automatically correspond to lifespan extension, they do a lot of other stuff too
>>98781741oops for the alteration i meant signature technique universal sovereign
>>98781741i recognize that demonanyway universal sovereign specific synergies with alteration are like... recently popular was vampire body, by making you part undead, it makes your body's age the same as your soul's age at all times
>>98781748signature for universal sovereign? dunno, either make spirit fusions stronger or make the aura gain from worship better i guess?
>>98781741Are you taking extra points or power discounts from anon's survey:>>98778135
>>98781755Theoretically I could get back three points by swapping eccentrics drawback from hellfire debt to magmatic, but I wanted it to at least somewhat correspond and be thematic. I guess I could get that one point by changing it to old grudges instead...
>>98781761No i'm not, if you want total honesty my aura burst build would be +80 aura and then have 20 points leftover. I mostly care about making techniques, not just learning the ones in the cyoa.
>>98781741More proof of Devil Moon supremacy.
>>98781775PCA should have made her a companion but he's a COWARD.
>>98781741>What do you guys think if I did this?You could change it from making you into a summon spirit into a chimera instead.Have the passive be infinite lifespan with your soul building a sapient chimera body whenever you die and devotion effect allows you to copy biological traits from any organism you see or "infect" any organism you touch to carry any traits you've copied.
>>98781780chimeras don't have aura pools, i don't think he could actually achieve that
>>98781780NTA but that sounds like a core technique not an alchemy one.
>>98781767>my aura burst build would be +80 aura and then have 20 points leftover.WTF? How?
>>98781787because he minmaxes nothing but aura
>>98781787aura burst is your starting points x2 if you have prodigy right? That's 120 points for overpowered, 100 of which translates into 80 aura with meridian expansion x 10.
>>98781785>chimeras don't have aura pools,Anon, every sapient creature has an aura pool. It comes free with having a soul.Most chimera are non-sapient animals and are already such a massive issue. Now immagine what they could do if given aura, that's why sapient or humanoid chimera are all "Kill on Sight" designated.You, a person who is sapient and already talented enough to have an aura pool of 20+, would make a Very aura capable chimera.
>>98781789you gotta count prodigy too, that makes using the aura burst way more efficient, so it would be 240
>>98781789Makes sense to me
>>98781795Anon, every sapient creature has an aura pool. It comes free with having a soul.Only humans and their offshoots have souls, animals and chimeras do not have souls. PCA even cleared this up about chimeras specifically when I asked him the other day.
>>98781797He did count it for 120 because 60 is the base. It's not a 4x multiplier is it?
>>98781789... why did you only invest in aira expansion and nothing into skills, new allies, or more equipment? Techniques aren't the only thing points can buy anon.
>>98781795Chimeras don't have souls. Kind of an issue since I have thought about a soul attack beast hunter.
>>98781802Anon, humanoid chimera are a human offshoot.
>>98781804>skills, new allies, or more equipmentThose aren't things realistically benefited from an aura burst? It gives you a better way of cultivating and learning techniques, not learning how to cook meth or be more of a socailite.
>>98781808They're still a chimera and don't have souls. You can hunt humanoid chimeras guilt free.
>>98781767You know this is actually something else to think about. On a long term time scale, spending the Aura burst to cultivate would probably be the best use of such a one in a lifetime event. Oh man we are potential maxing the Aura burst now.
>>98781808i think they aren't called humanoid chimerae if they have souls, if they have souls they're just a mutated humanhumanoid chimerae are only pretending to be human offshoots, because it's a very effective strategy
>>98781809>Those aren't things realistically benefited from an aura burst?The training section is at least. Several of the master and legen rank skills are impossible to achieve withput aura assisted training, even if the final product is still mundane.There's going to be a lot more ancient rank equipment floating around after the population of sorcerers with transmutation and beloved name blessing skyrockets.You've got me on allies though.
>>98781816I wouldn't treat meridian expansions as cultivation though.
>>98781808Humanoid chimeras are a blight because they can blend in with humans and breed with each other to produce even more humanoid lookalike soulless monsters. Think of like the ghouls in tokyo ghoul, except rather than having the weird back tentacles they just run the gamut of weird monster biology stuff.
>>98781816>>98781767why not just spend the aura burst on legend level trainings instead? become a legend scientist and legend tinkerer overnight
>>98781812>They're still a chimera and don't have souls.Anon, YOU ARE A SOUL.How would a chimera based varient of universal sovereign be different from using vessel transference to take over a chimera body???
>>98781824No probably not. Softie was just using the existing mechanics for the made up scenario that anon posted. Still spending the burst increasing your reserve is possibly a very good idea. The only issue is everyone else will have used it to get stronger.
>>98781831look dude, chimera is cyoa terminology for something that doesn't have a soul, just accept itany case where it gets a soul somehow? it stops being a chimera
>>98781829I appreciate the ideas. I've already got five legend skills in all the ones I really care about.>>98781831Huh? I'm not arguing with you about the universal chimera thing you proposed. It's cool but I agree with the other guy that said it was more like a core technique. I see where you're going with that though, and if we consider universal sovereign to be the "transmigration" route of alchemy attaining immortality, something like you say would maybe work as a "transfiguration" way of immortality, though how that would be an alchemy and not a core technique I don't know.
>>98781829The aura boost wouldn't speed that up though. Only aura based stuff is effective (in fact people should remember that prodigy doesn't make you learn normal skills faster, fast learner does which is another reason that even after the potential maxer basics, we usually invest in trainings over techniques).
>>98780292> post in /totallygay/> "it's implicitly gay!"
>>98781836personally i would only increase my aura pool so much that my new techniques don't put me over my budgetif i needed 32 before but need 48 after, that's a fair target to aim at as it preserves maximum actual gains
>>98781785>>98781802>>98781806>>98781812>Chimera don't have soulsWhen did PCA say this, because it Directly contradicts the lore document. Not like the jjk argument earlier where PCA was just saying high power options deep drawback either.The lore doc says:>What even Is Aira>The energy of the soul. To be more clear, the energy that Permits Experiential Consciousness.If Humanoid or Sspient Chimera are sapient, then they have to have aura. If they don't have aura, then they can't be sapient.If PCA said sapient Chimera don't have souls, he's contradicting the lore doc.
Bro... I just realized... The Spokeless Cosmic Wheel Invincible Sokushinbutsu Stance... used DURING the aura burst...TRILLIONS OF YEARS OF AURA BURSTTHOUSANDS OF AURA RESERVE
>>98781846Yea that's a good thought depending on build. Because a partially filled pool fills faster depending on % though I think there is an argument for the aura though as it means future training could be sped up.
Are the trigram aura cultivating the burst too then
>>98781855Oh my God......
>>98781855Good luck beeing stuck in a 30 meter tube for 4.2 trillion years without going batshit insane.
>>98781858everyone is, everyone basically just gets a lot stronger over the course of 3.5 days, then they go insane right afterit would almost certainly be a truce during the burst though, almost nobody would want to fight when they could suck their ow- i mean, when they could cultivate instead
>>98781853Just the other day let me find the screenshot that got taken, and it doesn't actually contradict anything. In fact, the cyoa outright says this in the human race option. Humanoid chimeras, sapient or not, just don't have souls due to being chimeras.
>>98781867>immune to mental deteriorationI AM INVINCIBLE
>>98781869PCA confirmed chimeras are basically fodder to strong people as well. Yikes to chimeralord.
>>98781876maybe it should have been a clue that even in the campaigns, beast hunters mostly don't deal with chimeras
>>98781879What? There's only two, the last dragon and the abyss one that don't deal with chimeras.
>>98781855It doesn't work that way because..... it just doesn't, okay?
>>98781883i was also counting the other campaigns that feature them, but nevertheless
Honestly though who would actually want to subject themselves to an aura burst. You're strong but everyone else now is too.
>>98779157>Benevolent AlterationsPure PoolSacred FountainCharismaticEccentric (Old Grudges)ProdigyUndead Blood (Vampire Body)>Malignant AlterationsHellfire DebtMagmatic>Aura SystemVast Generalist>Meridian Expansion+8>Recovery DispositionNutritionLust>Aura AffinitiesCore G2Phase G2Flow G2Alchemy G3>Aura Pool50>TrainingCultivation - LegendTechnique Artistry - LegendCeremony - LegendTactics - LegendInvestigation - LegendDeceit - MasterStealth - MasterTinkering - Master>Basic Release TechniquesSense AuraBody EnhancementSense KarmaInitiate Status—Arcane AcumenSense Enhancement >Great Release TechniquesSummon Rite—Lecherous OdalisquesOblative GestureMaster Status—Transmigration>Legendary Release TechniquesSpirit SubjugationLegend Status—Universal SovereignSorry I don't like posting multiple longform builds but anons are around and giving good discussion. What do you guys think of this version? And is there anything I should change in the allied sects or anything with having universal sovereign?
cyoa's with cute and beautiful blue elf wives?
>>98781897You're basically the one who gains the most, especially in an overpowered build. Everyone doubles their potential value, not their current power.
>>98781905man, i was making blue elf races today for hours in aow4, just couldn't get it right
>>98781874It also says it protects from "even the abstract effects of time and space" so it definitely works but it might be that the dilation simply isn't experienced subjectively by someone using the ISS. It is a millisecond in real time and would be a millisecond to a person in a ISS because the dilation simply didn't effect them.
>>98781869>Humanoid chimeras, sapient or not, just don't have souls due to being chimeras.Anon, neither that screenshot nor the section you mention say this.In the screenshot PCA anon says chimera don't normally haves souls or supernatural powers, but they can have those things given to them.The human section says humans AND THEIR RELATIVES are the only thing that possess souls.By all logic, using a human as an ingredient in chimera creation should net you a chimera with a soul.A humanoid chimera that was just shaped like a human by a transmuter would probably lack one, but the Lore doc clarifies that anything lacking an aura pool also isn't sapient.
>>98781921You can just start without the stance on and then turn it on afterwards, that way you're in the altered timeframe as your baseline.
>>98781929the screenshot litearlly does say it>question 2. do chimeras have souls>answer 2. no
>>98781930Yea it's a good way to escape it and you could stay until you want to leave. I wanted to mention it though because people have been arguing about what it would really mean to sit through a Kalpa in the stance.
>>98781929What the anon says, chimeras just don't have souls. In fact my chimeralord build was predicated on this exact assumption, putting soul coagulation souls in humanoid chimera bodies. Hence why I asked whether they have souls or not.
>>98781936>Do chimeras normally has souls>Do chimeras NORMALLY has souls>NORMALLYAnon, question 3 he he even specifies that there should be exceptions to thisOn top of that, He admitted he forgot shit and might be contradicting himselfThe lore doc contradicts the idea of any sapient chimera lacking a soul.You options are>PCA didn't mean what you thought>PCA meant what you thought and is wrong according do the written textNeither option helps your case.
>>98781954they don't abnormally have them either because that's the entire fluff behind them, only humans have souls blah blah blah humanoid chimeras are convergent evolution impostors not human offshoots blah blah blah
>>98781940Anon, I'm not saying all chimera have souls by default. Most chimera don't, all sources agree on this.The point I'm arguing is that sapient chimera, a small subset of chimera mentioned in the cyoa as a separate threat, have to have souls accordimg to the loredoc.If you made nonsapient chimera to use as vessels, your build is unaffected. If you were using humans to make sapient chimera Before trying to insert souls is how you'd run into issues.
>>98781954I want you to remember that the text you're taking as gospel from the lore doc is from an unreliable narrator giving his opinion.
Some of these discussions aren't bad, but lets avoid some obviously bad ones.Powerfagging discusions like >>98781234 are the worst. Metalogical, off-topic, obvious, and boring.Contridicting reasonable authority rather than conceding the point and moving on with the discussion like >>98780157.Comparing CYOAs in uninteresting ways like >>98779594. Who cares? Powerfags?Totalities like >>98780642. Ok? That's conjecture and boring. You have from a meta perspective, invalidated someones build without providing anything in return.Anything that is offtopic twice removed like >>98781128. >Refutation of Strawman -> Strawman Against Alchemy in General -> Plan Against Setting Specific Alchemy -> CYOAEngaging with offtopic like >>98781639.Discussion around apparent setting breaking contridictions that are actually matters of ambiguity like >>98781593. It's ambigious and if it were a setting breaking contridiction, then the setting would be broken. It isn't so therefor the contridiction does not exist. And thus discusion around it is no different than discusing what if all options were free.While common sense is rather uncommon, I wish everyone could have a little more.
>>98781966As WOG and the cyoa say, no I don't think humanoid chimeras get souls even if they're arguably sapient.
>>98781964Anon, the chimera egg power lets ypu stuff a human in as an ingredient and chimera can mate with humans to make human-blooded chimera.Sapient chimera must have souls to be sapient. If only humans ans human offshoots have souls, then that just means the only sapient chimera are related to humans, which doesn't change my point.
>>98781971>Contridicting reasonable authority rather than conceding the point and moving on with the discussion likethat was a goalpost move anyway, his initial argument was that you can't affect the soul with vessel transfer, and then sucked me into his insanity until we were arguing about that instead
>>98781971You are not my mom anon.
>>98781971>That's conjecture and boring. You have from a meta perspective, invalidated someones build without providing anything in return.We were talking about how good different interpretations are for the sake of the CYOA, there wasn't even anyone's specific build in the line of fire you little baby.
>>98781978>even if they're arguably sapient.No, they shouldn't be sapient if they don't have souls.You can have unsapient creatures that form compleye sentences and can lure in prey by mimicing behavior, See IRL LLMs or Frieren demons.To have a sapient creature it must have a soul. If that mean it has to be related to humans, that changes nothing.
>>98781996>>98781978i don't think they're supposed to be sapientthey're like demons from frieren except with breeding as their only goal rather than murder of humans, they pretend to fit in and breed until things explode
>>98781971>It's ambigiousNo it isn't. We know how the power works and we know how Spirits work. It just really obvious PCA didn't think about it. Not really game breaking either, it just alters the meta a bit.
>>98781996>>98782002Sure, that's fine.
>>98782003doesn't even alter the meta much, they're still strong as fuck, the only real differences is in how you go about finding the humanoid ones, since they don't have aura systems they should be obvious to strong enough aura senses
>>98782002I would agree in 99% of cases.I'm arguing against the anon pushing the idea that chimera can't have souls period, because they see the author saying "chimeras normally don't have souls" and think that means you can't be a chimera if you have a soul.
>>98781971>Discussion around apparent setting breaking contridictions that are actually matters of ambiguity like >>98781593. It's ambigious and if it were a setting breaking contridiction, then the setting would be broken. It isn't so therefor the contridiction does not exist. And thus discusion around it is no different than discusing what if all options were free.That had a good conclusion though, we decided that its a thing spirits do but they neither can nor want to do it to some absurd infinite extent because of profitability, utility, corruption, law, aviolence, etc.You should try reading through the entire discussions if you think this is a bad one, because i thought it was very good
>>98782014>>98782014>>98782014>>98782014>>98782014go hog wild
>>98782011I was talking about spirits selling lifespan not Chimeras (not your fault though since anon (youed) about ten people).
