Is this game making a comeback?I used to play it a lot, but like most people dropped it in the eve of bloated points and increasingly massive miniatures.How is the game today? Is it good? Balanced? What do you think?
I feel conflicted about the Menoth announcement. On one hand, the 'jacks look great. On the other, the infantry look the same as the ones I already own, and Feora continues to be meh.
Man, I remember way back when the Warhammer/Warmachine flame wars helped get /tg/ started. What a fall they've had.
>>98785085If for some unholy reason my lgs only played warmachine I'd play Lylyth Everblight. Since that isn't the case, no. Nobody plays the dead game.
>>98785085They seem to be getting back up but I doubt they will return to previous heights, but I believe they will live in a niche of smaller wargames living in 40K's shadow
>>98785085>Is this game making a comeback?Not in any meaningful way, and not outside NA.
>>98785842This. Its never reach the peak unless something really weird happens that fucks 40k over hard. Like, GW closing overnight for some reason hard. But its getting a decent following that shows its not dead.>>98785202I feel its a "damned if you, damned if you don't" situation, where people would be pissed if the new Menoth was too different than the old stuff. Except if it was dino Menoth, but SFG seems to really hate that idea.
>>98786691>but SFG seems to really hate that ideaLook, I have my fair share of criticisms towards MK4 warjacks that PP proper made, especially Dusk ones, but that just sounds like the coolest shit ever
>>98785085FUCKING REAL KHADOR WHEN All they got was the shitty Cygnar knock off winter guard and the riot quest abominations they tried to pass off as man o wars, then circle orobos that was barely related to khador, and nothing since then. Are they seriously avoiding them because of the Russian war? I don't even want them to touch Skorne honestly, knowing today's society they'd whitewash out all the slavery, torture, and cruelty, but at least stop fucking erasing Khador.
>>98787716They are probably thinking on how to add more classic Khador stuff because main army is already addedHonestly I really like their new warjacks, they lack the erroneous amount of glowy bits others had, infantry though...new Iron Fangs are the worst offenders in my opinion
>>98787716Khador is rightful Orgoth clay
>>98785085Mk4 seems to be awfully simplified compared to prior editions. They've done away with some stats, and from what I can see fury/focus seems to be one though I may be wrong. I'm also not a fan of the new Cryx models, and the lack of Satyxis, Black Ogrun, or other pirates. But we shall see if this situation improves.For now, a friend and myself are digging out our old armies to play mk2/3.
>>98788633Focus/Fury hasn't changed. The only real rules changes in 4th is unit movement, change to Free Strikes, and the removal of template attacks. Everything else has been minor, like the removal of STR hasn't affected the game much, since STR really only been used for power attacks since 2nd ed., and the change to power attacks being a flat POW 12, unless you're bigger, then its 14, has been a boost for most things.
>>98788633The next army getting released is Dread Armada, which is the pirate part of Cryx, so Satyxis is coming back.
>>98792119I'm hesitant about templates being gone but other than that, if strength us removed how do you power attack?>>98794420Sweet, I will be cautiously optimistic. I missed out on Satyxis gunslingers for all of the 0.9 microseconds they were available over here, and blood witches are now unobtainium, so a new supply would be good. I just hope they don't mess the minis up.
>>98787716Drago evolving to become a warbeast was peak and I really love how the MKIV model looks
Does anyone know where can I pick up the full MK4 books or is it all now relegated to that damn shitty warmachine app
>>98794673I know Steamforged has a free PDF for the core book on their website (or at least they used to) but you gotta sign up to download it.
>>98794660Because of the change to units, templates really had to go. They would be too powerful. Since all models are within 2" of a central model, the old 4" would hit an entire unit on a direct hit.Power attacks damage is just a straight up POW 12, unless the model you are hitting has a smaller base size, then it's POW 14.
>>98794673>>98794842They do sell a physical book for the rules:https://warmachine.gg/products/warmachine-core-book
>>98796105So how do spray and aoe attacks work now? I'm not going to lie, it does feel like change and simplification for simplifications sake
>>98796793Blast attacks have an AOE stat and 2 POWs, no more halving the POW. If the attack misses, the targeted model takes a hit at the blast POW, which is usually the lower POW. If it hits, they take the full POW hit, and the X closest models within X" take a blast hit, ignoring LoS. So an attack with AOE 2 hits, the closest 2 models within 2" are hit. The counterplay is that placement is still a big deal, since it doesn't matter if the closest models are in the same unit or not. If you place your models wrong, they can snipe out your support.Sprays are pretty mush the same, you just use the line you measure as your template, instead of a separate template. So if you are using a 8" spray attack, you measure out 8" on your ruler, center it on the target, and hit everything the line crosses from your attacking model.
I wish they didn't streamline the gameplay; I get it why they did but still. I know it's hard to track everything when there's like double digit shit happening and interacting with each other all at once, but I always wanted to have some more shenanigans with power attacks and such. Loved the weapon/arm locks and free strikes. Wish you could go a step further and throw melee weapons at targets to get an open arm, snatch weapons from opponents, or even rip their arms out of sockets (and then maybe even beat them up with them lol). Cankerworm was great.
>>98800341For me it's just the shrinking of infantry units and the new movement rules, it's just straight up actually discouraging and makes me not want to play anything but jack focused because seeing what they did to my mechanithralls and man o wars is just sad
>>98794420>>98794660https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx_Fhoy2h1k
>>98802267Its very interesting that its not just a reprint of the old Black Fleet stuff, like how the other FronTier stuff has been with the old armies, but a MK4 army. I guess they are trying to see if they can find a way to ease production on their end, but increase output of product.
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>>98785085I have an itch to rebuild my Cryx army from the mk2-3 days, but I have trepidations. My old force was a Bane-heavy Venethrax assault fist that got right up in your face while a brace of Pistol Wraiths went caster hunting from the flanks, I don't think it's replicatible in mk4.My other concern is lore-driven. After the time jump, I know Cryx and Orgoth are allied, but I think the Orgoth are up to some shit. They were awfully nice in killing Blightergast and handing over most of his athanc to Toruk, but I heard they kept a piece. Orgoth bind beasts into servitude as their version of cortexes; what if they kept that piece of athanc to use as a link to Toruk in order to bind HIM into a super 'jack under their thrall in a future ritual? Red flag rising.
>>98800341I think the game got too deadly for things like arm locks and throwing to be good gameplay mechanics. I really like the idea of robots going at it like wrestlers and grappling and throwing each other around, but long before mk4 it was better to just do regular attacks and straight up kill your opponent. For power attacks to be a real thing, you'd have to severely limit the killing power and anti-control tools in the game. Steady is absurdly common, shaking is a thing and even busted up jacks are very easy to repair for any faction that cares about it. Right now, every time I think about throwing, slamming or headbutting, I come to the conclusion that just doing my 2-3 regular initials is more valuable because even if I do succeed, the enemy can just shake and I'm not surviving the counterpunch because my opponent won't waste time on throwing.
>>98785085>Warmachine slinking out the shadows to shill againSo what kickstarter has Mark just announced to avoid chapter 11 this time?
>>98802584https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBcz1aAinN4
>>98804507this has been true since Mk1
>>98804435Except for Venethrax, the Dark Host is Prime list that is Bane heavy and has Pistol Wraiths in it. You can also just play legacy Cryx in casual play, everything has rules from 3rd to 4th.
>>98806990Good to know. I got good mileage out of that list in locals back then, and Venethrax is my favorite Lich Lord. I'd love to test it in the new meta.
>>98802267I'm interested but the Satyxis Stormwitch does look a bit like a generic fantasy superhero kind of model you get all over these days. Hopefully though we will see the old units return, I don't care about new shiny I just want bloodwitches and gunslingers to round out my collection.>>98797190I'm not going to lie, this sounds dumb. Why not just stick with templates which were easier and made much more sense?
>>98806871Wait wait wait. Tell me I did NOT see make Satyxis models there, because I am damn sure I saw two male raiders and a male gunslinger. The creators do know the lore right? That Satyxis are all female and have to raid human settlements for men, all relating back to the Dragonblood that rained on them causing the men to wither and the women to change? That lore, that's been key since practically when setting was a dnd module?>>98800341>>98800767I saw the Cryx starter and couldn't understand why there were only 3 mechanithralls in it until I looked in further and realised that that's an average unit size now. That, the dumbing down of the rules, and the aesthetic changes done to the line are firmly locking me into mk2 and 3. I might buy some of the new minis if they can stand in for a unit I need, but only if they don't break the lore - eg no male Satyxis.Also, where are the Bloodwitches? The generic raider captains?
>>98810401>>98810503https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd7cp5-4ZE0
>>98811679Rather than replying with a link to a yt video completely unrelated to my post, could you instead formulate an answer, to whit:>where are the missing Satyxis units?>are we going to get bloodwitches back, they were a unit of their own and hags were a ua>where are the generic raider captains>for that matter what about Severa Blacktide and Axiara Wraithblade?>why are there male Satyxis models when the lore specifically states that no viable male babies are ever born to a Satyxis mother and that they have to raid to acquire human men to keep the population going, something that has been canon since the dnd module eraOr are you just a shillbot?
>>98812480I'm feeding you Cryx info as it comes. If this is your gratitude, do your own investigating. Cunt.
>>98812509It's considered bad form to sign your posts here.
>>98804131FUCK YOU GRIMBOAR
>>98812480>>98812557Some people really make the attitude era advertising their entire personality lmao
>>98785085i want to like it but im pretty sure the hyper competitive community around this game has ruined it for me.
>>98812571kek
>>98804435Orgoth did use the chunk they stole, its what's powering their character jack, Azdharak. Who is a fun jack, since he gets to trample everyone with POW 18's.
>>98812480The answer to all the questions except the last one is that this is a new army, not a reprint of the MK3 Black Fleet. It represents the fleet 15 years into the future.As for the last one, no clue. Maybe eating Blighterghast changed Turok's blight? I haven't read the Requiem RPG books, and they haven't uploaded fluff on the Dread Fleet to the app yet.
>>98813091I just wonder if their tampering with the athanc Toruk is busy digesting has given them a way through his defenses. Once he's done absorbing Blighterghast, Toruk will be the most powerful creature on Immoren, stronger than he's ever been since the splitting. Quite the soul snack for the Felgoth Infernals.
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>>98812509Sorry mate, I'm too used to modern /tg/'s constantly shill feed. I take back what I said.>>98814208You would still expect to see the character girls around, though maybe they died. Blood witches and captains definitely should be around though.Them having make Satyxis still makes no sense though, it's undoing millennia of established culture and mutation. If anything, eating Blighterghast would have seen their blighted mutation become even more extreme.>>98814311Please no, do not kill off/enslave Lord Toruk. He's cool and without him the heart of Cryx is gone.
>>98814369No worries, I just lack the answers right now. From their livestreams, the current plan for Cryx is to go hard on the naval aspect, which I was never big into. My Cryx was the Thornwood regular army flavor, but Gaspy fucked that up so it's moot even if the Cephalyx are still around. I get the Dread Armada push being important, I just don't care about pirates. I long for variable Cryx flexibility again, not the single-minded theme to define the faction being only raiders.
>>98785085Let's get to the point : is this game dead ? If yes, why ?
>>98814443No, and Steamforged seems to be very aware of Privateer Press's fuckups and is keen to not repeat them.
>>98814552Tbf, a company like SFG stumbles often enough on their Own merits, so I can see why they'd try to be more cautious with handling a literal salvage op like the Iron Kingdoms.>I say this literally as Male Satyxis are revealed, which is a purely Steamforge Stumble.
>>98814416Mine was similar with a mass of steam powered zombies, which I always thought was cool, backed by pistol wraiths and a bloat thrall and a number of bonejacks because gods I love the turkeyjack, with Satyxis raiders as support. I always liked the idea of them using Immorens waterways to launch sneak assaults in support of the main armies thrusts.If the rumours that SF is planning to do away with Lord Toruk are true then the Cryx will probably be reduced to a scattering of lichelords raiding each other and the mainland, which would suck balls and completely rip the heart out of the Cryx as a faction.
>>98814311It seems that Everblight is the only one so far has been able to split Anthancs while still maintaining a connection. The only other time, other than Turok's original splitting, we know an Anthanc was split was when the giants tried to destroy one, and it ended up spawning two new dragons.We also don't really know how Anthancs can interact with the realms outside of Caen. As far as we know, it could be too bound to the physical realm for Infernals to use.>>98814369Bloodwitches and generic captains were most likely just cut because they only had so much room to fit everything in the army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-GbwtC2rgU
>>98816922I wonder if we'll get updated Bloodgorgers. They did tease the Kraken.
>>98814552Of the 4 stores that used to carry it, one decided to restock it. As far as I can tell its not selling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgE2hCUHcgg
Yes, in my small village it has the popularity of a runaway freight train.
>>98814369Weren't all male satyx simply thrown into a cauldron as infants as ritual sacrifice or something or am I misremembering?
I know they mentioned stuff about the male satyxis in the reveal stream, but iirc it basically boiled down to "we can rewrite the fluff however we like, there's been a timeskip and shit changed" and now they can do male satyxis models. I don't like it at all, but I hope it'll be avoidable to have the dudes, especially since I already have a bunch of raiders.
>>98823157Ritual sacrificed or abandoned, yes. Pretty much Amazonian women shit.
>>98825314Well, since the Dread Armada is being sold as STLs, not as printed models, you can always just not print the male sculpts.
>>98826455Source? Seems odd for Steamforged to make a turn like that for a mainstream army when every other army can be bought already printed from their website.
>>98827861>Seems odd for Steamforged to make a turn like thatThey're financially fucked, they need to figure out how to dump a bunch of costs and scam as hard as possible in as short an amount of time as possible. Its going to get ugly.
>>98827861https://www.myminifactory.com/frontier/cryx-dread-armada-5654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYzcdZXt5CY
