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What book would work best adopted into a miniseries?I think Close Quarters would work.
>>98794348Why does she look like she is lusting after the forbidden freebirth genetic material?
HONOR THE DRAGON!
do you think the conventional forces book coming down the line will finally make conventional infantry fun?
>>98794467No, CGL want you to never use them
Getting into BT after pouring thousands of hours into MW5. Never painted a mini before, WIP of ruining my first 2.
MW6 will have battlemechs that move like armored kaiju (think pacific rim) rather than geriatric "walking tanks" and mech designs based directly on CGL's plastic minis and newer artwork. Count on it
>>98794467I sincerely doubt it.
>>98794467I mean, if they were made into squads with record sheets similar to Gothic abominations, maybe. Like, a single pip per dude, damage spills over to the next guys if they're out of cover or if they're attacked by an anti-infantry weapon, that sort of thing.
Crusader that I finished up yesterday. Really starting to fill out my Crucis Lancers guys at this rate, I’ve got an Avatar and Marauder II up next and then I will probably have to paint some more Combine guys.
>>98794627how the hell did you paint the cockpit so well
>>98794714I just get a really tiny brush and do a few layers from dark to light towards one of the corners, then add a dot or couple of lines for glare in the darker corner. I also make sure to go back over the edges so that any paint that got slopped over the edges gets covered up and it looks crisp again. Cockpits are a natural focal point of the model so I like to take my time on them so they look nice.
>>98794797Fuck I wish I could paint this well.
>>98794560>MW6 will have battlemechs that move like armored kaiju (think pacific rim) rather than geriatric "walking tanks"So no difference?
>>98794838big difference you fuckin retard
>>98794560Okay
>>98795024Earth Garon was pretty cool.
Apparently-Shit-Taste Noobanon from previous thread here, I think I may live to regret watching those initial MW5 Clans let's plays - I started investigating the novels and fuck me dead, that's almost as bad as the Star Wars EU, a hundred fucking books, and apparently many of them priced like the pages are made of fucking gold leaf(20 quid for a MMPB? I quite like Stackpole but bloody hell). No doubt someone will say "just don't get them all then" but that's not how this works man.
Any models worth discussing or anything memeworthy happen in the latest MW5 DLC?
>>98795077Mechwarrior with mocap animations would be super funny and everyone except me would hate it.
>>98795135Did you try reading the OP?
>>98794597well sure, but that kind of defeats the purpose. a 6/9/6 is a completely different movement profile, its 5 tons heavier, mounts an LE, has double heat sinks, and is a million or two more expensive in C-Bills.But to be sure if I were to upgun it with some fancy tech I would add a Targeting Computer. Maybe refit the Jenner if I was going to do that.
>>98795135Don't you have a kindle?
>>98794548Not bad at all, keep going anon!
>>98794358Unironically Wolves on the Border
>>98795377No, I have a functional human soul instead so I like to actually hold books in my hand and put them on a shelf.
>>98794358they're all shitty pulp novels
Is precision ammo and stealth armor actually cancer or am I just salty cause my Locust IIC couldn't hit shit even on 6s and got his leg blown off on turn 3?
>>98795135If you're interested in the Clans, then ood of Kerensky trilogy is mandatory reading, and then the Jade Phoenix trilogy.
>>98795762Little bit of A, little bit of B. Personally, I don't think precision is too bad, but I mainly see it when I'm playing later eras where it mostly shows up in LAC/5s and 2s. Stealth armor is rough, tho, especially if your lance isn't built to deal with it.
>>98795762Like many things, Stealth becomes less of a problem if you make sure your opponent is tracking it correctly. It adds 10 heat. It gives no defensive bonus in short range. It hostile ECMs the unit using it. Most stealth units don't even carry anything that would be affected by ECM because it would be a nombo, but a lot of them do carry hot weapons and modest (at best) heat sinks. An entire PPCs worth of heat is a lot when you already have two PPCs and only 10 DHS.
>>98795663If all your doing is reading for pleasure then what does it matter?
>>98795762Precision ammo is a lot less egregious than clan pulse lasers. A precision AC/20 is certainly scary, but it also has dirt range and does nothing to cover.
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>>98796051It also does far less to big slow mechs than fast ones. If your main defense is armor and you can usually expect +1 TMM, losing that is a lot less impactful than going from a +3 down to a +1 after precision strips your movement mods.
>>98794358Fuck Yeah! Victor Milan!
>>98796084Wraith is just so damn cool.
>>98795762You are salty. Stealth armor usually doesn't matter after about turn 3 but you decided to run something with ultra short range efficiency weapons. If you were also threatening with mech with PPCs or ERLLs they would probably turn the stealth armor off to fire more weapons.
>>98796128"The Wraith: making Inner Sphere pulse lasers almost okay since 3055"
>>98796159The royal Locust had it beat way before that.
>>98795135>that's almost as bad as the Star Wars EU,All but two of them are canon. And highest form of canon, at that.
>>98796192No fuckong way. Nobody is stupid enough to make novels canon. Not even Lucas was that retarded. Show me a statement from CGL saying that novels are canon. I can't believe that otherwise.
>>98796314Bro, they made the HBS game cannon
>>98796335No they didn't, they wrote a canon sourcebook based on the game. Only the things in the book are canon and only in the form the book gives them. Any element of the game that is not in the book is not canon.
>>98796314
Anon's hobby is splitting hairs it seems
>>98796364If you consider thick, meaty logs to be "hairs", then sure. The things that were omitted from the book (and therefore canon) would have fucked up a lot of the setting if they were canonized.
>>98796314Novels are the highest type of canon. They're describing things that actually happened in-universe.The BT cartoon is canon. As in it was aired as seen on TV in-universe and people quote it in short stories.Fluff literature, such as TROs, Future History books, descriptions of specific planetary systems and House Books is a mid form of canon. It's literature written by specific interest groups for specific purposes and doesn't necessarily reflect the truth or the whole story.Art is the lowest form of canon. They're an approximation of an idea of how things look in-universe.
>>98796178IRL Wraith is 1992 and Royal Locust is 2010
>>98796501anon posted the in universe date
>>98796512And I'm adding real world context
incorrectyou are attempting to move the goal post
>>98796558Moving the goal post on what? There's no debate or even discussion. You need to relax, trothkin.
>>98796154Did Capellans ever make a Stealth Armour variant of anything that they then didn't also slap on a load of heat generating PPC's or Plasma Rifles? I know they went out of their way to slap a PPC onto their version of the Emperor for some reason.
>>98796443>The BT cartoon is canon. As in it was aired as seen on TV in-universe and people quote it in short stories.I always have fun with trying to guess exactly when and where that cartoon was shown in the inner sphere. My money is currently on 3055 to 3056 in the Lyran part of the FedCom. My headcanon is the later seasons got cancelled because all of the Marik Switcheroo stuff that led to Operation Guerrero and the beginings of the FedCom Civil war coming out in 57, and the public not really having an appetite to have both Victor an Katherine glazed in the same kids show.
>>98796653They have a Victor that can stand off with a gauss rifle. Its backup weapons are hot, but also short ranged enough that hopefully you don't need to have the stealth on while using them.
>>98796669>The only decent variant they ever made is practically the Davion Totem-Mech.Hilarious. I love it.
>>98796653There are a number of stealth armored mechs with gauss rifles. Some also mount things like ER PPCs, but some are pretty much just gauss jockeys. From experience, playing into a stealth armored gauss wall isn't fun.
>>98796653There's a bunch of stuff that has secondary weapons you don't want to fire while the stealth armor is on, so you plink from long range with stealth on and turn off stealth if something gets close. There's also stuff like the Pillager 5Z, which pairs with TSM to do a pretty annoying clan assault impression.
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>>98794358I've said it before, but I think Sword and Dagger would work. It introduces the audience to Hanse Davion, Arden Sortek and a lot of other important characters, has a pretty self-contained story that still ties into a lot of other stuff and since the novel has a lot of things that aren't really canon anymore the writers would have a lot of freedom to put their own spin on it.
>>98796825Secret evil clones is a silly story line.
>>98796668If we want to take Mechwarrior 5's Chaos Reigns campaign as loosely canon, we know that it had at least aired by 3053; and that tracks with most other descriptions of both the holovid and the events inspiring it. While it's mostly a shaggy-dog type retcon, it also tracks with the presence of a number of mechs in the show being featured as propaganda and artistic license, rather than being accurate to the Clan Invasion period and events.
>>98797070I was wondering if this article would reference it, but it sadly does not.
>>98797018Wasn't it just some drifter they gave plastic surgery and hypnosis rather than an actual clone?
>>98797130I think they were planning to clone Hanse eventually and the body double was just a stopgap. It might not be canon, but there's a mission in either HBS or MW5 involving a Cappellan convoy carrying DNA samples and equipment for the project.
>>98797130Clone, body double, whatever, it's stupid.
>>98797130Most of the body doubles are either method actors (Thomas, Melissa) or MK Ultra victims (Hanse, Devlin) with whatever cosmetic surgery it takes to make them look the part. The only one that's maybe up in the air is Joshua Marik, that might have just been some other kid with leukemia they grabbed off the street.
>>98797216>The only one that's maybe up in the air is Joshua Marik, that might have just been some other kid with leukemia they grabbed off the street.I like to imagine that they found a kid who was a close physical resemblance and gave him the right kind of leukemia. IIRC it was a rare variety.
>>98797167There are non cloning reasons to want the DNA of someone you are trying to impersonate. Faking test results, for example.
>>98797268Actually giving the double the type of leukemia you know you can't cure would seem very shortsighted when you control all the doctors involved.
>>98797280That's the main hurdle even to body doubles. Thomas was subjected to multiple medical, DNA, personality, knowledge, and skill tests, basically everything parliament could think of before they accepted he was real (although in that case, he probably was real since Thomas and False Thomas were parent-trapping the entire inner sphere). You need to either have the right answer or have already thoroughly compromised the labs doing the tests.iirc, there's even a little fluff bit in very old lore about genetic proofmarks being a normal part of sending and receiving sensitive mail.
>>98797313>iirc, there's even a little fluff bit in very old lore about genetic proofmarks being a normal part of sending and receiving sensitive mail.I feel like I'm remembering the term "blood chit"
>>98797333That's the thing on/inside old aviator jackets.
>>98795490Thanks anon. Tonight’s progress. I think I need to practice thinning my paint because it was always going on too thick or too watery
>>98797418Watery is preferable, since you can just put another coat on afterwards. The white parts of the shadow hawk will improve significantly by just going over it again with more of the same color. Maybe two or three times, letting it dry in between each layer.
>>98797111The only thing I will add we know for certain is that it can't be earlier than 3053 because that's the year the X1 Bushwhacker was introduced.
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>>>98793605Oh, hey, I have that.
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>>98797593I was really surprised that there was no Julian/Caleb civil war
>>98797593If disco was returning to my faction, I might have gone to Herb's house with a shotgun too.
>>98796353Massive cope
>>98797619Unfortunately, our lord and prince remains in the sex dungeon of her Ever-Fucking-Sluttiness.
>>98797018It worked for Star Wars. It can work for Battletech.
>>98797593Holy shit that's real? I thought all that shit from the namefag was just a windup.
>>98795496I would be morbidly curious to see how Minobu's casting is handled, and the reaction from normies
>>98797644NEA is real, bro.
>>98797593Unironically better than what we got>Disco returns to Davion SpaceWhat could've been...
>>98797646Minobu's casting would be basically in line with the books. A tall muscular black guy. The difference is that his wife wouldn't be an average black girl; he'd have a harem of a redhead white girl, a blue eyed blond white girl (who spends the whole film pregnant and being super happy that she is and how she can't wait for more babies), a brunette white girl who's the bratty one, and spends the film romancing a petite Asian girl with blond dyed hair who finally gives in just before Minobus goes off to die at the end in a similar scene as when Tom Cruise bangs the wife of the guy he killed in Last Samurai. No white man in the film will be in any sort of relationship with a man, but every girl in the Dragoons will lust over Minobu the whole time.This is in line with the propaganda that film studios are feeding you, and you know it.
Very short story this time. Had original plans for it to be longer, but I had trouble writing this one, so I'll just do more short parts later.---It had been a month since the infamous Shen Chen chili incident. The Leopard that had brought the new mechs was still docked. This issue of securing the wrecked Phoenix Hawk had been resolved long ago, yet it still hadn't departed, which lead to various rumors as to why. Anything other than the most likely scenario of just having to wait for a jumpship to come into system.This particular morning, most of the cadets had already gathered for the first class, save 3. Janusz Kotow continue to stick to himself. Occasionally he could be seen enjoying the recreation facilities, but otherwise he had taken to spending most of his time in his guest quarters on the Leopard as he waited to leave. Another was Bob Denard, who had been in less and less classes as Colonel Harlan "Rook" Voss had taken to given him some disciplinary training since he had not only mouthed off to Shen Chen, but made motions to fight. As Rook was keen to point out, Chen may not be in Denard's chain of command, but he is a representative of the Capellan Confederation and a potential client as a result and Denard needed to learn how to handle potential clients better. This extra discipline typically came in the form of simply running laps around the compound. Lots and lots of laps. The third missing cadet was Vladimir Ignatyev. While the trainer for the class was slow to arrive this morning, he'd face no consequences for being late. The same treatment would not be extended to the cadets."One of us should go get him." William McCormick said to Wang Lee and Eleanor Gale, who sat nearby. "The Shen already makes his life miserable enough. Who knows what he'll do if Vladimir is late.[1/2]
>>98797662"He probably overslept." Wang Lee said. "He barely gets any these days. I'm always seeing him as the last one training at the end of the night and the first one in the morning. He's beyond burnt out.""We'll all go get him then." Eleanor said. "If the Shen has a problem with it, I'll say that I was running a training exercise for all of us. The Shen won't get upset with me." McCormick and Lee both gave nods of assent and the three of them took off at a very brisk paced walk to Vladimir Ignatyev's room. They arrived and Wang Lee knocked on the door."Vladimir." "Lee spoke loudly. "Vladimir. Are you in there?" McCormick shook his head and then went with a more forceful approach and instead of simply knocking pounding the side of his fist against the door."Yo!" McCormick shouted. "Ignatyev! Wake up! You gotta get moving or the Shen's going to find a way to fuck up your life even further!" There was no sound of movement from inside and McCormick pounded on the door again. Still no response, so he tried the handle, hoping the different sound of it shaking and jangling might do the trick. To his surprise however, it turned and the door opened. McCormick looked to Gale and Lee before walking in. The 2 of them both followed him in. They looked around the room and saw it was empty. "Where the hell is he?""Guys!" Lee shouted to the others, getting their attention. "He, he's in the bathroom.""Vlad! Pinch it off and hurry the fuck up or you're..." McCormick stopped as he rounded the corner and saw what Lee also did."He's, he's...""He's what?" Eleanor said as she began to lose here patience over this and quickly turned around to walk over to where Lee and McCormick were. She stopped with a gasp as she finally got to see Vladimir. He was hanging from a rope, by his neck, limp, and dead. Vladimir Ignatyev had killed himself.[2/2]
>>98797627These kinds of sci-fi/fantasy settings might be too complex for you if you don't see a difference between every event depicted in a game being canon and the broad events and setting being canonised in an in-universe document. Among other things, the protagonist mercenaries are vastly more deadly than any book depiction of the Wolf's Dragoons I'm aware of.
>>98797666Well it's a good thing cappies aren't people or that might be tragic.
>>98797666Ignatyev didn't kill himself. 20 minutes before his death he was making plans for the night and offering a match in the simulators. It was murder.I know because I did it.
>>98794348>supernovaIs a pure FUCK Mech in MW5 Ashes DLC. Use the ERPPC'S to strip armor then use the 3 ERLL's to melt components.
>>98796335no videogames are considered canon. none.but pieces of the videogames have been inspiration for canon books. for example, mw4v gave us multiple mechs for TRO:3067, such as argus or chimera, taken nearly as is. but mw4m gave us hellcat, which is only slightly inspired by the game, as its canonized version arrives a century later than in the vidya. similarly, HBS BT only inspired the arano canon book. the game itself is not canon at all.
>>98798023That's a Nova Cat. But you're describing it correctly, so I think you're just screwup up the name.
>>98794467>covee infantry >funNot in full Battletech. Now Battletroops or a new RPG where the appearance of any mech over 45tons is a "rocks fall" ending. I really want a Twilight 2(3)000 style game where you understand the term "poor bloody infantry" comes from.
>>98794560>motherfuckers crying about the "walking tank style"NIGGERS BATTLETECH ALWAYS WAS LIKE THIS. You are NEVER going to see shit like this-https://youtube.com/watch?v=iooh2O7EzYs&pp=ygUOaGFycHkgZXhwbGFpbnM%3D and the moment it happens you should burn your minis. Battletech isn't weebshit, where bullshit particles make mechs untouchable plot devices, Battletech is a universe that would EAT the Amuro Ray's and the Shinji Ikari's that weebs love by the bushel. Mechs don't do backflips, dodge bullets or fucking lasers, they either out-position, take the damage on their armor or they hit their targets hard and accurately first. From EVERY source of media of Battletech and their very lore has them be walking tanks, only the bullshit that is LAM's contradict this.
>>98798149>laughs in spider
>>98795762Precision gets nerf'd by the -50% ammo count, but Stealth Armor is fucking ass cancer.
>>98798149>hobbyless opinion
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>>98798149I'm sorry, I guess I must have imagined the part where a Highlander can jump the length of a football field and stand a reasonable chance of accurately landing on top of an actively evading target.
>>98798024Fwiw, one of the missions from the game appears in Shrapnel Magazine, which is supposed to be fully canon. It's been a while since I read it, but the player character and one of the default pilots are implied to be there, though they're never mentioned by name.
On the one hand, very few mechs reach the speeds a modern car does on an inter city road, and are almost never described as moving in an organic way. On the other, everyone from the greenest 17 year old to the best clan khans hit mechs in a random location with a bias towards center mass
>>98798233Considering they're sometimes literally firing from the hip while sprinting at 64kph or faster, any hit at all is an incredible accomplishment.
>>98798233>very few mechs reach the speeds a modern car does on an inter city road,There's a point at which ground transportation becomes too fast for reasonable pilots to react safely and reliably to environmental things.Frankly, IRL civilian cars drive faster than that, which is part of why there are so many accidents all the fucking time.
>>98797666A shitter pilot Vlad may have been but he didn't deserve this. Shen wasted a valuable mechwarrior.
>>98798233The fuck you on about, a standard Phoenix Hawk runs 60 mph? Anything going faster than 6/9 is smoking the average sedan driving the limit and anything that goes 7/11 or greater is smoking anyone speeding on the interstate.There are 6 chassis in Introtech that do that with a standard engine before they even start hotrodding things again with XLs and adding MASC and Superchargers.
>>98798224That's how the apocryphal -> canon pipeline goes. If it's republished in a canon source, then it's canon (to the exact extent it is depicted in the canon source).You want to get into real corner cases, you have to look at stuff like RPG adventures. Royalty and Rogues is at least somewhat canon, because an NPC that the PCs are supposed to face off against in an arena shows up in a later canon source, with part of his backstory being that he was the reigning champion until he was "defeated by a mercenary" and took brain damage that rendered him unable to pilot anymore. But does that mean that my players characters are canon because when I ran it, one of them beat him? Probably not.
>>98798243>IRL civilian cars drive faster than that, which is part of why there are so many accidents all the fucking time.This is why speed limits should be capped at 25mph/40kph across the world. Nobody needs to travel faster in a car, and if you have to get there sooner, either take a plane or readjust your life to live closer to where you have to go.
>>98798278What percentage of the average mech formation goes 6/9 or faster?
>>9879834125%
>>98798341If you're Dracs, a pretty high percentage, what with the Jenners and Grand Dragons.
>>98798325>nd if you have to get there sooner, either take a plane or readjust your life to live closer to where you have to go.Or limit cars going faster than that to specially prepared surfaces that are graded flat and kept clear of detritus and things aside from cars.
>>98798283Funnily enough, I'm reading through the newer TROs right now and I think I just saw an entry about him in one of the Notable MechWarriors sections. Was that the guy with the eyepatch who had a Crusader?
If mekbay's availability ratings are correct, I find it nuts that the Dragoon ends up becoming more popular for mercs than the Gray Death Standard.
>>98798394>>98798394One of the devs is a MechAssault fan, I guess.
>>98798035Yeah you right, I'm drunk and suck dicks.
>>98798370I don't remember him having an eyepatch, but yeah, it's Crusading Crael with his custom Crusader.
I know protomechs get a bad rap in CBT, but what about Alpha Strike? As far as I'm reading, they're not as BS in Alpha Strike, as they can't do the cancerous bullshit they can in CBT like movement blocking or simultaneous activations
>>98798157>>98798181>>98798206>>98798207>is completely fucking wrong Cool faggots, name a SINGLE instance in the entirety of the lore that has a Timberwolf or a Atlas do backflips, dodge like Neo from the Matrix or any sort of weebshit. Guess what faggots, a Timbie is so dangerous because it can either outrun anything it can't outfight or outgun anything that can keep up. A Atlas is a gunbrick that simply walks through shit, and people who think it's a good idea to get close find out what a AC20 is really good at.
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>>98798438Am I an asshole if I bring an arrow IV urbie to games?
>>98798341Thanks to Mekbay, I can tell you.Of Canon Chassis (which there are 738, with 4243 variants) there are 258 Chassis with ground speeds of 6/9 or greater (or 1380 variants total).So by Chassis, 35.0% of all Mechs. By Variant, 32.5%.
>>98798353FWL too with the Hermes II and Cicada.
>>98798463Bringing most urbie variants makes you a retard, not a powergamer.
>>98798464We're drifting away from the "mechs aren't all that fast" point, but your impression is that each of the canon designs are equally distributed? When the 3050 Sword of Light goes to war they are equally likely to bring a Stinger 3R as a Rattlesnake as a Valkyrie QD(Karano)?
>>98798463Only if you give it a nuke.
>>98798463Kind of cop out answer but depends on the game, but generally they can just rush at you on a small map so it's not the worst thing ever.
>>987986353050 Sword of Light is 2 medium battalions, 1 heavy battalion, and 1 assault battalion. So given the mediums and heavies that are common to the Dracs at the time, a lot of 5/8s. Mostly 5/8s, which is better than the speeds a modern car does on an inter city road. Well, the speeds they should be doing.
>>987986761st sword of light, I should say, and they're heavier than average. The commands with significant amounts of light mechs will be faster on average.
>>98798635Dracs getting their hands on a Rattlesnake and trying to figure out why this Jenner is so fucked up would be a fun story.
>thinking about 50 mph is fastDo yuros really?
>>98796363How many heat sinks can you fit into that chin?
currently tidying up my walking crusader mini, since the super-fuckawesome-holy-shit-i-want-12 steiner Clantech ilclan era crusader is the walker, non jumping one.so the red knight now has to go with the all over blood/kurita red with gold shoulder and opposite knee, I added a gold stripe down the other knee and leg to the foot and toe tip. I 'burnt off' more 'paintjob' on the srm launchers, lrm wrists medium laser and mg to accentuate them more. blacked up the base. green laser dott'd the lasers. and I am working on a WHITE cross for the 'bra' chest/torso area. it'll take a few more goes of wraithbone since, you know, thin coats.what are y'all WiP ?
>>98798455you cant do this in the tabletop tho. kicks are into legs only.
>>98798916I think that would be better represented by a charge attack instead of a kick
>>98798912Working on an Orochi, in Arkab desert camo and a griffin in a sort of urban/night scheme. That one's going to be Dieron Regs, it's my trial mech for that scheme.
The misadventures of our wayward Falcons continue.>ESTEROS>HINTERLANDS>6 JUNE 3151The politics of Esteros were incomprehensible to Roy. He doubted that they made much more sense to the locals. As near as he could tell, the local beuraucrats were attempting to unify the planet under their dominion, but few paid them heed without the Jade Falcon touman putting words in their mouths and punishing those who failed to follow them. His employer was one of many such dissidents, seeking to esablish her own enclave independent of the Esteros Assembly. In practice, that meant much more patrolling than Roy and Elizabeth were comfortable with. It was not only that it reminded them of the quiet misery of the solhama, but also that they had chosen this contract for the salvage terms. Perhaps word had gotten out about a Hellbringer being on the loose, for precious little came their way for them to do battle with.That finally changed with a single datapad arriving to the barn they had commandeered as a 'Mech hangar. The Assembly had established an outpost too close for their employer's liking, and she wanted it removed. BattleMech forces were expected to be in the area, so she was sending the biggest guns she had.
>>98799061>CONTRACT: Esteros Disruption>Track 2: Strike>OpFor hires Local Support, gains CPK-65 Copper SecurityMech"Contact." Elizabeth's report was swiftly followed by red dots appearing on Roy's HUD. He grinned wickedly as the designations filtered in. Firefly. Flea. Valkyrie. Firestarter. And a new one, a Copper SecurityMech. There would be no escape for them this time."Hold position. I am coming." Roy pressed the throttle forward, his Hellbringer accelerating up to running pace, each step jostling him in his seat. Keying his comms system to an open frequency, he began broadcasting in the clear. "Attention, Assembly forces. I am Star Commander Roy of the J-" he caught himself, paused, resumed, "the Dezgra-on-Demand mercenary company. I am coming to destroy this base and kill everyone inside. Since you have no concept of honor, I will threaten your reputation. If you flee from me again, I will deliver this BattleROM to your employer and ensure that every liason on Kandersteg sees it. I will turn you into a laughing stock that none will ever hire again."Roy's Hellbringer crested the final hill, brining him into line of sight of the opposing force. Slamming the throttle down to a halt, he finished, "Now do your duty and FIGHT ME!"
>>98799064Most pilots stomped their jump jet pedals. For Elizabeth's Elemental frame, it was more of a flick of the ankle. The Stinger leapt up under her, sailing over Roy as she repositioned. Gaining her brief airborne vantage, she saw the enemy lance (there were five, surely that was a star, quineg?) running headlong into the valley, seeking to shelter their advance from the Hellbringer's guns. All except the Flea, spurred on by its supercharger, which rushed too far forward. Blue lightning lashed out from Roy's 'Mech, and Elizabeth laughed as the miniscule 'Mech was nearly biscected by the impact.Then her flight was over. She landed hard, nearly driving her head into her knees, and spoiling her shot despite her perfect enfilade of the approaching enemy. A spray of laser fire rose to meet her, one lashing into her Stinger's arm. Bug 'Mechs and Sphereoid pilots or not, they were still armed and dangerous.
>>98799067Roy's elation at his hit was short-lived. Maneuvering around his chosen hill to line up a shot on the mercenary Firestarter, he was interrupted as the Firefly came rocketing down straight toward him, jump jets flaring. His snapshot volley went wide, with only a piddling spray of sparks telling of his AP Gauss Rifles accomplishing something.
>>98798912Painting up an Overlord C in Clan Wolf Beta Galaxy colors. Debating if I want to paint up a full load to go with it. I think I have just about enough unpainted omnis in my pile of shame.
>>98798912>what are y'all WiP ?Some omnis for my FWL collection. Perseus, Shadow Cat, and Huntsman. Probably going to do metallic gold trim.
>>98798916Pretty sure ballistic assault rifles only penetrate tank armor on tabletop and not the actual setting.There are inconsistencies.
>>98799071(Clever fucking girl, BTW)
>>98799078The Firefly did not linger in his sights for long, but it was not just the heat making Roy sweat anymore. Turning his aim back to the Firestarter, he loosed his PPCs again, and cursed when their blast was intercepted by the copse of trees his target was fighting through.
>>98798446The Caballeros mechs - an Atlas in particular is mentioned - wrestle in Close Quarters.
>>98799080"Jumping for the woods! Cover me!"Elizabeth was faring little better than Roy. A missile from the Copper had torn through the remaining armor on her right arm, nearly destroying it. Pressing her jump jets again, she again lined up on the Copper, firing her pulse laser and being rewarded with a hit. It wasn't much, but her Stinger's heat sinks were far from equal to this task, and her cockpit was rapidly converting itself into the Inner Sphere's smallest sauna. As expected, the Firefly came down behind her for a second time, but only this time to catch one of Roy's PPCs in the arm, the limb tearing away in a shriek of tortured metal.
>>98799086Roy had been ready this time. He had never held strong opinions on the Mongol Doctrine, but had typically preferred his duels to be held in strict accordance with zellbrigen. But this was not a duel, and he was no longer a Clan warrior. His foot caught the annoying little 'Mech in the left leg, crumpling the actuator, and sending it spiraling into the dust.
>>98799089Swinging the Hellbringer around, Roy caught the Copper moving slowly as it navigated the sloping terrain. With a predatory grin, he unleashed his PPCs again, sweltering with the building heat, and watched with immense satisfaction as its right arm flew away. His Gauss rifles stiched a line of sparks across its left arm, and a stream of burning rocket fuel sprayed from its SRM launcher, telling of a direct hit.
>>98799092Next was the Valkyrie. Roy's PPC tore its arm away, and his Gauss Rifles tore chunks from its left torsos. Then his Hellbringer shook with an echoing bang, and he realized how badly he had neglected his damage readout. Now he had paid for it with a blow to the engine, and despite his attempt to restrain his fire, his cockpit refused to cool. "Find me the target!" He ordered Elizabeth.
>>98799073Where's the Perseus from?
>>98799095>saved a separate image instead of overwriting
>>98799100Elizabeth was getting good at jumping. The Firestarter leapt after her, flamers blazing, but a quick feather of her jump jets dodged the volley. Landing beside the mesa holding the [implied] cluster of buildings containing the Assembly outpost, Elizabeth turned her sensors towards them, quickly identifying the one putting out large volumes of radio signal."Target confirmed! Sending data!"
>>98799108"Aff! Moving to target!"The Hellbringer's heat finally back under control, Roy pressed the throttle forward, closing in on the building. The Firefly dashed into his way, only to be sent spiraling to the ground for a second and final time as his PPC sheared it in half. Roy laughed, only to be cut short as Elizabeth burst back onto the comms line."Starvag! I have leg damage!"
>>98799112Elizabeth was an Elemental. Unlike most Clanners, melee combat was in her blood. Despite her wounded leg, she would not turn down a position this good, and she brought her Stinger's foot down squarely on top of the Firestarter.
>>98799115Under less pressing circumstances, Roy would have joked at Elizabeth's expense, his own kick on the Firefly notwithstanding. Instead, he focused on the mission, bringing his Hellbringer up a nearby hill to gain line of sight on the target building. He centered his reticle on it, heard the tone. It was impossible to miss at this range."Target destroyed!"
>>98799119(Oh, shit, forgor I left the Stackpole rules on. That almost got really nasty there.)At the end of Turn 10, our battle ends. With two victories under our belt, the opposition folds, and we will have a quiet final month of our contract.>Warchest: 3150 SP>Combat Pay (Total Victory): +750 SP>Straight Support (40%): +68 SP>End-of-Month Pay (x2): +700 SP>Total: 4668 SPFinally, we have some options. The Copper is a wreck that we should sell, but the Firefly is still salvageable. While we are pretty close to our BV cap for a Scale 1 unit, it never hurts to have a backup, and it could be the start of a move up to Scale 2>Copper: +113 SP Salvage>Firefly-5A: +349 SP Salvage OR -149 SP ClaimOur 'Mechs took significant damage in the fight. The Hellbringer hits like a truck, but it pays for it in armor. Roy has an engine crit and 2 lasers down, while Elizabeth has a blown out Lower Leg and two components hanging on by a single pip.>Hellbringer full repair: -130 SP>Hellbringer armor only repair: -32 SP>Stinger full repair: -40 SP>Stinger armor only repair: -10 SP>Reload ATM-6 bin (4/10, one bin in reserve): -10 SP>Reload AP Gauss Rifle bin (26/40): -10 SP>Reload AMS bin (23/24): -10 SP>Firefly full repair (if claimed): -150 SP>Reload Firefly LRM-5 bin (20/24): -10 SPRolling for the market on our next month, there is a GRF-3N Griffin available for 1560 SP. With the same caveats as claiming the Firefly, should we take it?And last but not least, with our quiet month ahead, we can focus on training. Both Roy and Elizabeth may improve one skill by one step if we so choose. The cost of training Elizabeth is 100 SP for either skill, and 200 SP for Roy.What are your orders, /btg/?
>>98799099https://www.ebay.com/itm/157071849295
>>98799064>Dezgra-on-Demand mercenary company10/10, no notes.
>>98799122FUCK, I knew I forgot something>Warchest: 4668 SP>End-of-month maintenance (x2): -1000 SP>Total: 3668 SPSorry to shoot the budget like that.
>>98799122Can you scare up some more dezgra warriors if you had 3 Mechs to run?Anyway, I'm skeptical about the Firefly. It's sort of a jack-of-all-trades, but too light to do any of them well.A Griffin -3N, on the other hand, is quite the customer. It's pretty expensive, though. I have no idea how much SP are worth, in practice. Is it worth paying 1/3 of your stockpiled SP for it?
>>98799175>Can you scare up some more dezgra warriors if you had 3 Mechs to run?There's a good collection of named Falcons roaming around the Hinterlands, and we can always fluff any generic MechWarriors we pick up. In particular, there's actually a decent set right here on Esteros, though RAW requires us to be under-strength to hire them. Then again, it's not like we have a league to complain at us if we take them on anyway.>Is it worth paying 1/3 of your stockpiled SP for it?This is my first Chaos Campaign, hell if I know.
>>98798693>>thinking about 50 mph is fast>Do yuros really?I mean the entire peninsula is just under 3,500 miles long...
>>98797593Anyone have the second page of this one?
>>98799129Thank you, kind sir.
>>98798693>50mphFor combat vehicle? That's fucking SCREAMING fast, I've rode in a M1A2 Abrams with the governor removed and fucking shit it felt like vehicle was about to come apart at any moment. Cross country? Forget it, the vehicle itself will beat the crew to death before anything else.
>>98799064>dezgra-on-demand Holy fucking shit Clan Warrior that level of verbal violence is going to get a line in the Remembrance.
>>98799205i always forget euros can't drive for four hours without leaving their country and passing through like 5 others. i can drive for 14 hours and not even leave my STATE. hell, you can't even DRIVE out of my country.
>>98799347>14 hours You live in California or Alaska WTF.
>>98799351Texas
>>98799347Sounds like you live in somewhere like Western Australia.
>>98799351nah mate. girt by sea. the 14 hours thing is just doing something like driving up north, in order to then come back south again on a peninsula. just to go from town to town. its a pretty infamous drive. hell, you're not even SUPPOSED to drive from my state to the state NORTH of us, unless you have a proper 4x4, NOT a modern retard SUV PoS, with spare tires, coolant, water, food etc. because if your car dies on the way there, chances are you're pretty SoL unless you can Unfuck your own shituation.
>>98798693Nicely manicured roads don't count bro
>>98799366close. but yeah. euros live so close together. like fucking sardines, or rats. mice. yuck. no way for a human to live.
>>98799347Well, it's more like nowadays Euros can't afford to drive for hours. A 14 hours drive could eat like.... 10-15% of the median monthly income for the average yuropoor thanks to fuel prices.You can't imagine how bad it is. Real end-of-the-world stuff.>>98797018It was the 80ies. Realize Btech is silly, all their plotlines are silly. Even their warcrimes are silly. It is how it is.
>>98799376meanwhile, here I am, buying a sixpack of delicious imported japanese beer, for about 7 ish USD. fucking euros. evil orange glorf man back in what, 2018? told them their green policy retardation of closing all their power stations would make them slaves to russian energy... and they laughed at him. NOW the stupid fuckers are ... slaves to russian energy.
>>98799376>You can't imagine how bad it is. Real end-of-the-world stuff.With the way Nuln was complaining about fuel months back you'd think he was living through equally tough times
>>98799376there's also the fact that their cars fucking suck all of the ass.my fucking 25? year old sedan, once it is out on the highway, turns into a fuel sniffing machine that runs on the trace of a fart of petrol fumes. euros have these poxy fucking hybrids that... don't. no trees around with electrical sockets to plug their fucking ev into for 8 hours to charge slow.
>>98799384Pepperidge Farm remembers, but leftists do not. And now the retarded motherfuckers are trying to "go green" becoming dependent on....wait for it.....CHINESE fucking solar panels and batteries. Europe if it were a person would have been committed to a mental institution for suicidal ideation a LONG fucking time ago.
>>98799347Yeah, I'm an Iowan, so my state is nearly a tenth the length of Europe.By no means a BIG state, but about the size of a modern Euro Country.>>98799384...The power stations that were running off of Russian Gas ANYWAYS?!
>>98798693Depends on where you're driving. German autobahns literally have no speed limit, but they're highways located between cities, where there's no danger of hitting pedestrians. Cities have tighter speed limits.>>98799371Pretty sure American cities have higher population density than nearly any place in Europe, aside from places built around old medieval towns where all the buildings are crammed extremely close together since they originally needed to fit inside the city walls. On the other hand, the entire population of Finland is smaller than that of the Berlin metropolitan area or most large-ish US cities, despite Finland actually being quite a large country by European standards in terms of surface area (it's bigger than the UK or Italy, and IIRC about the same size as Spain).
>>98799433>German autobahns literally have no speed limit, but they're highways located between cities, where there's no danger of hitting pedestrians.But they also don't have native deer populations...
>>98799359Sorry this thread is reserved for humans. Please leave.
Battletech?
>>98799433Finland is a rounding error and doesn't exist anyway
>>98799437Oh yeah, those buggers. My dad ran over one once. Luckily they're usually small enough that it only leads to some damage to the car, and not to fatalities. Unlike moose. My grandfather almost died in a moose-crash. Like he just barely managed to duck in time as the moose crashed through the windshield and tore off the entire roof. A second later and it would have hit him in the face.
>>98799482>Luckily they're usually small enough that it only leads to some damage to the carNot White Tails, not at 65+ Highway speeds...
Does battletech have a scale? and does it have infantry?
>yfw you've legitimately run down more humans than you have animals
>>98799499I mean at least your not a Firestarter...
Crusader, re-brightened, white cross, some more gold, and a 1950's spaceman-pulp silver 'visor' cockpit. Lasers green dot'd.
>>98799515>Corax WhiteBrave
>>98799430nah, the power stations used to be running off of north sea british oil and gas. there's like a zillion years worth still there, enough for EU to be energy independent. but nope. can't be drilling and bla bla bla. no refineries for you EU, reeee!
>>98799515The white looks terrible. Try again.
>>98799482HA! try looking up what happens to a car when it meets a wombat.
>>98799527yea, i got exactly one flouro light there,
>>98799526>north sea british oil and gas. there's like a zillion years worth still there...You mean the oil and gas fields that have famously been in production decline since the turn of the millennium?
>>98799671Yeah, turns out that when you finish one deposit and the government refuses to let you tap another, production goes down. Oops, guess we've hit peak oil, everybody panic!
>>98799671NTA but as a Petroleum Geologist, BP had to steer away from renewable shit a couple years ago to renew their reserves as they were killing their company. The big push now is renewing exploration off Venezuela and the west coast of Africa. Same with Royal Dutch Shell which has tried to get away from the name even while holding all the best deposits in Indonesia that the powers in the region like the Japs have wanted since WWII.
>>98799671>>98799697IIRC (I'm trained as an economic geologist, but mining rather than oil so this admittedly isn't my area of expertise) the problem with North Sea deposits is that drilling there is a lot more expensive than drilling for oil and gas in the Middle East or Russia, due to the deposits being under water in a region with strong winter storms. Plus the individual deposits are often rather small (the Brent field, from which the term for Brent crude oil is derived for, was already depleted decades ago). So unless oil price is extremely high or the government is willing to subside the drilling, it's cheaper for companies to buy oil from the Middle East. Norway does a lot of oil drilling from the North Sea, but it's done by a state-owned company that uses the profit to run a state investment fund, so it doesn't matter to them that you could theoretically make more profit drilling oil elsewhere (since it's not like the Saudis would let the Norwegian government drill oil on their territory without paying them for it).
>>98799789Never forget that the reason the Middle East and Ghawar has been maintained is that they weren't tapped until after WWII, and the intention of the people there was for the oil to last for 200 years. Really smart planning, honestly. You can see why they built OPEC, You're 100% right about the cost of wells, though. It's why you won't see new fracking in Texas unless gas gets super high. It's guaranteed returns of shit wells, so not worth it unless the price is high.The winds and shit winter weather is what makes the cold North Sea countries great for offshore wind, though. That's what build all the companies that tried to come to the US and then folded the second the Biden subsidies got yanked, because the environment doesn't work so profitably on the American East Coast.
>>98799789Eh, fair enough. That's where you start getting into talking government policy and the benefits of having some national supply just in case you were to end up in the EXTREMELY UNLIKELY situation where the LEGENDARILY STABLE regions of Russia and the Middle East were to blow up at the same time.But, hey, for the Euros it's natural gas, over here it's diesel, because we fell right into the same logic.
>>98799821>over here it's diesel, because we fell right into the same logic.We should have much more diesel. It's just the refineries are running stuff through two-stage catalytic cracking units to boost the amount of gasoline per barrel from 30% to 50%. You tell any manufacturer to change their output and it takes a minute.
>>98799828Not quite. Diesel crackers are their whole own bit of kit, mutually exclusive with catalytic crackers, and expensive as all hell to manufacture. Refining is taking crude and removing the shit from it, cracking is what you break the shit down into instead of having to sell it as bunker oil, and shifting from cracking into gasoline to cracking into diesel isn't something you can just flip a switch on. The two places that were really invested in diesel on that level were Russia and the Arab Peninsula. Russia is Russia, with the bonus that those units are such a massive pain in the ass that they're a preferred target component of the refinery for Ukrainian strikes. The Peninsula is in slightly better shape, because for the most part their refineries shut down when storage space ran out. Now that outflow is recovering, the incentives are starting to pile up for them to restart production and get diesel moving while they can still make a killing on it, even at wartime insurance rates.
>>98799850We're kinda talking past each other. Refining is separating out the various fractions by heating. Cracking is taking bigger organic chains and making them into smaller ones. In America, we take refined diesel and further crack it into gasoline. The Russians are taking the heavier fractions like kerosene and cracking them into diesel.By not cracking stuff, we would wind up with a higher natural fraction of diesel, but we're not doing that.
>>98799809>The winds and shit winter weather is what makes the cold North Sea countries great for offshore wind, though. That's what build all the companies that tried to come to the US and then folded the second the Biden subsidies got yanked, because the environment doesn't work so profitably on the American East Coast.Eh, they could still probably manage on the East Coast, I heard that all those projects actually got boned due to a CERTAIN ANTI-WIND Administration cucking them out of the building permits...
>>98799885I'm in the science and budget side of this, and it's purely because that shit can't make money. You should have seen the begging on the carbon sequestration side these last few years too. "If only the gubmerment would pay us more." is like every paper.
>>98799871>In America, we take refined diesel and further crack it into gasolineI don't THINK that's the case. I won't claim expertise, but frankly at these numbers we would be seeing it in action if it was. A cursory search says it's physically possible, but keeps digging up talk about how painfully inefficient it is. I think you are misreading where that extra 20% gasoline is coming from, because as best as I can tell, the universal standard is to take it out of the asphalt-tier oil.
>>98799897>I'm in the science and budget side of this, and it's purely because that shit can't make money.Like hell it can't, here in Iowa we're up to 60% wind power.Sure it's far from perfect, but you want to tell me that the East Coast has less environmental energy than the Mid-west?
>>98799926Nigga, when the Federal government was paying half of the turbine cost, what makes you think anything about power share vs. profitability? Same with solar in Texas. Iowa is also the literal #1 wind in the nation at 57%.
>>98799941The only reason it caught on in Iowa is because corporations saw how god damn cheap that energy was!And that's JUST onshore wind, not some hybrid offshore/tidal job!
>>98799954>how god damn cheap that energy wasWe got some similar wind in Oklahoma and we were told it was 20 years before the turbines would pay themselves off with the government discounts back in 2008. Most of them haven't lasted 20 years in tornado alley. Wind also only has a capacity factor of like 1/3 max output.
Hurry the fuck up, GM, you're 6 years behind schedule!
>>98799913Kind of. They're drawing from the same source, the parrafin/kerosene/lube level stuff, not the bitumen.
>>98799978So I am correct then that they share an opportunity cost and that that's a tooling-level decision that you can't just flip dials on?
>>98799962>we were told it was 20 years before the turbines would pay themselves off with the government discounts back in 2008.Apparently it's 6-10 years now.
>>98799999>QuintsAye, friend. Aye.
>>98800004Now give the calc without government subs or renewable power upcharges on the grid. I bet it's still the same. They do that here. "It's only 10 cents more a kilowatt/hour for only wind and solar on your bill..."
>>98800010Feels like a bit of a waste, but oh well. I'll dedicate them to the marvel of somehow getting this deep into a discussion of oil prices without completely dissolving into a shitshow.
>>98797111what book/article/magazine is this from? Looks very interesting!
>>98800080Shrapnel 25. They have a lot of fun little worldbuilding bits like that between the glorified fanfiction parts.
>>98800020>Now give the calc without government subs or renewable power upcharges on the grid.Pretty sure that IS without Government subs, 10 to 20 years it what it'd take for a small-scale "residential" turbines, but the utility scale ones are usually under a decade.And Government subsidies are usually intended to help build production capability and thus bring per unit cost down.
>>98797662>>98797666>those cursed tripsAre we replacing the cadets from the anons who ghosted us or carrying on with who is left?
>>98800760Didn't even notice the devil's digits on Vlad's death. Fitting indeed.>Are we replacing the cadets from the anons who ghosted us...Not at this time. I already have the story outline in my head of how to reach battle 2, the teams decided for the 2nd battle, and even the extra rules that will be in effect for them.Hope you like fog and individual initiatives.It will certainly be easier for me to manage just 13 mechs in a game as opposed to 16 mechs and 2 tanks. Should make the turns of game 2 go just that much faster, cause I'm anticipating a bit longer of a game because of the madness I'm going to do with it.After game 2, I'll again ask the players for pilot rolls again to represent potential skill growth. I'll also figure out who, if any, will have chances or offers for new mechs. Then I'll open up the roster to 3 new slots if people want to join in, but it's also fine if no one does. I even already have an idea for writing out my pilot, Hobby, if a 4th person even wants to join in. I really don't want to go beyond an 8v8 for these things though.As it stands now, 1 more pure story plot and then a final story plot which will also reveal the teams and directly lead in to the start of game 2.
>>98799496Infantry all the way to space battles. But most games are small amounts of mechs fighting each other. There is also alpha strike, which is faster than classic Battletech and allows larger armies, but loses granularity. But yes, rules for infantry, battle armor, vehicles, artillery, aircraft, dropships, up to warships in space.
>>987994966mm-ish and yes.
I have a clan organizational question for those more versed in such matters.Can a Mixed Binary (Nova) and two Binaries constitute the worlds shittiest cluster?I want that Star Colonel rank.Second what dropship(s) would be fitting for moving such a force around?
>>98799496>and does it have infantry?mechs, infantry, power armor, APCs, tanks, helicopters, fighter jets, sea ships, submarines, artillery, turrets, spaceships, ...the Total Warfare rulebook covers combined arms battles.
>>98801173>imagei also hate cataphractsbtw how does the lore resolve visible-spectrum lasers being blocked by transparent glass?
>>98801272sorry, "transparent metal alloy"you know what i mean
>>98800999How many games do you intend to run in total?
>>98801173A Nova is not a Binary, it's a Star. You can have a Binary that's a Star of Mechs and a Star of Elementals, but a Nova is a specific tactical unit that counts as one Star for organizational purposes.But you can technically have a Binary and a Trinary and call it a Cluster. All of the other Star Colonels will make fun of you, though.And for anything involving Mechs and bigger than a company, you're basically looking at Fortress or Overlord. Or 2 Unions.
>>98801357>But you can technically have a Binary and a Trinary and call it a Cluster. All of the other Star Colonels will make fun of you, though.They were going to do that anyway considering only a single star is fully omnimechs, the rest being mostly second line garrison IIC, C refits and genuine Jade Falcon second line shit buckets.Destined for infinite garrison duty and hoping Steiner comes by to play, or maybe the wolves, or the horses, or the other falcon commanders because they want to challenge me to a trial of possession for the Warhawk C.Or you know just hunting dark caste and mercenary scum who try and disrupt supply lines.
>>98801272The visible laser is a tracer.
>>98801357How many Binaries or Trinaries should I have for a *good* Cluster? I’ve got somewhere north of 10 stars of mechs in Beta Galaxy colors in my collection, do I need more?
my lgs owner banned every game except 40k and MTG because "other games are not profitable." how should I strike back?
>>98801466Arson.
>>98801409UpdateI have found a way to fill the remaining 5 bay in 2 union dropships.>Locust IIC, leading 2x Locust Cs and 2x Fulcrum Heavy Hover Tanks for maximum poverty scout star to go ahead of the other more expensive scout star.Making 3x Binaries
>>98801463If we look at the Wolf Clan and Jade Falcon sourcebooks (which give us full rosters!), a typical Cluster is at 4-5 Binaries or Trinaries, usually mostly Trinaries, and sometimes including Supernovas....But Clusters as small as 3 Trinaries or 4 Binaries do show up.
>>98799460No this thread has been claimed by /pol/, please understand
>>98801470Wouldn't be shocked.
>>98801470God I hope so. Not that his equally secondary audience will care.
>>98801470If true, I made a list of everyone who will care:
>>98801470I thought he did livestreams fairly regularly? Or is it all just mechwarrior?Either way, I watched a couple of his videos a few years ago and it didn't really resonate.
>>98801497Or would that be two Trinaries? I guess it would be due to each Union-C fitting 15
>>98801625He thinks he is an expert on economics, military procurement and the military industrial complex just because he knew a couple guys in that sort of field. Unironically hes a better literary analyst than battletech personality, his understanding of poetry and prose holds up surprisingly well.
>>98801466Issue a trial of grievance.>>98801470Recently? I thought everyone knew all along?
>>98801497Two vehicles only count as one point. And four points do not a star make
>>98801281The "transparent" glass is one way polarized armor.
>>98801625>Or is it all just mechwarrior?Pretty sure he hates at least MWO...
>>98801695My honor is in tatters, guess that's why I only made Star Captain.>I must employ the second Rifleman IIC to fill ranksI guess the Firemoth found a new home among the other bugs and hovertanks.
>>98799962That's the problem with wind energy. Even without tornados outright destroying them, heavy wind is going to inflict more wear and tear to the point that they become a net drain on money and resources from the maintenance costs. The only places where wind turbines can be expected to have a decent operational lifetime is in places where they'll never be more than a small supplement to the power grid.
>>98801794>The only places where wind turbines can be expected to have a decent operational lifetime is in places where they'll never be more than a small supplement to the power grid.>Iowa is 57% powered by Wind...
>>98801813BuT iOwA iS pArT oF mIsO
>>98801794>>98801813Interesting aside. When I was hunting for my current job back in 2019, I almost got hired by Texas A&M for a statewide study on how wind turbines are killing the fuck out of the bat population of Texas. They wanted to set up these ultrasonic detectors and send us for surveys all over the state to track populations. Apparently, pops are getting hammered even harder than from the white nose epidemic. Also, the windfarms have to have decent money behind them. We got like 37k for a quarter mile easement back in 2009 to have some high voltage transmission lines put through one of our farms to a new wind power place being developed.
>>988013254, but I've got an idea for a possible 5th one too that would round out the stories for all the cadets.
>>98801794>>98801813>>98801839>>98801912guys unless you managed to put windmills into your battlemechs your discussion is incredibly irrelevant
>>98799175>>98799203Hey, NEA, I remember what you're always saying about Typos? It says Kit Fox J, but the BV cost is for a Kit Fox T.Anyway, let's crunch some numbers. Since we are considering bending the rules to hire the Falcons on-hand, I will assume that we pay their initial sign-on bonus, as well as their upgrade to permanent hire cost. Angelica and her Kit Fox come with the risk of running off on us, but that is a problem for after the next contract. In total, hiring everyone on hand would bring us from 3668 SP down to 2365 SP. This would give us a full 5 points of units for a mixed star, sitting at 5403 BV without pilot adjustments. This would bring us up to a Scale 2 unit, doubling both our base pay and operating costs to 1000 SP per month. If we paid the additional 1560 SP for the Griffin-3N (and gave up on the joke of shoving Elizabeth into a Stinger), this would bring us to 6209 BV and 805 SP. Assuming that we repair the Hellbringer, that will cost us 130 SP, down to 675. The Stinger could then either be repaired for 40 SP and kept in reserve or sold to bring us to 1052 SP. In either of those cases, we will be tight enough that we will have to jump straight into a new contract, but having more money on hand would give us a little extra leeway on transport and base pay terms. Note that the Hellbringer's repair costs do not include ammo reloads (up to 30 SP), and we may re-configure OmniMechs for 1/4th of their tonnage in SP if we really want to fine-tune the BV.Any thoughts?
>>98802158>guys unless you managed to put windmills into your battlemechs your discussion is incredibly irrelevantA mad MechWarrior has been tilting at windmills, literally!The Aermotor Company has hired you to stop him from destroying their products under his insane belief that they are some sort of giant Aliens!
>>98802279>Sancho Panza in an Urbanmech...
>>98802282>UrbanmechNo, it needs to be something with hands so he can mount a lance on it.
>>98802289Did Sancho ever use the lance?He was the "squire" after all.
>>98802293Dunno. I'm an uncultured swine that still hasn't read it, I just know the painting.
>>98802211I'm still opposed to any actions that could lead to not cramming a living mountain into a shoebox, but I'll accept us getting the Griffin on the condition that it is inevitably handed to a more capable MechWarrior and her stuffed back in the fucking Stinger.
>>98802279
>>98802303That would keep us JUST under the BV limit, at 6963, so we could still deploy it all at once. Our biggest challenge in the immediate term would likely be finding someone that doesn't come with their own 'Mech. Dispossessed pilots tend to congregate at hiring halls, and we're not going to have the money to detour to one if we go that route.
>>98802300I barely know the cliff notes myself...
>>98802293I read it like 25 years ago, I should re-read it sometime.
Whats her mech?Hard Mode: No Phoenix Hawks or LAMs.
>>98802397Thunderbolt
>>98802405Fuck no.>>98802397So sick of seeing her.
>>98802441>Fuck no.Whyfor not? Thud's a good 'mech.
>>98802441>So sick of seeing her.This man has no taste.
What if he hadn't died?
>>98802483There'd be a lot more Turtle Bays
>>98802483The clans would be wiser.
>>98802483smoke jaguar becomes the ilclan and trillions of spheroids are exterminated
>>98802483Jaguars would have taken Luthien before the end of 3050
>>98802577What if he was replaced by Aisha Clan-Clan Smoke Jaguar?
>>98802616They'd reach Terra in a few weeks and Myndo would be Leo Showers' bondswoman
>>98802577>>98802616>Smoke Jaguar victory would have ushered in an era of brown muscle catgirl dominance over the Inner SphereDAMN ComStar for stopping them!
>>98798446Just admit 40kfag that you never read the tabletop canon.Even mechwarrior players wants lifelike movements.
>>98802481Shutup Coster.>>98802472Thud is a good mech, but it's not for Tasha. She can have a Wasp.
core rules players MOG total warfare players...
>>98802779Truth. Anyone playing with TW era books or metal miniatures just needs to be shunned out of the hobby. Old people aren't needed anymore to keep Battletech alive. Just die already and make room for the superior generation who wants to play the game.
>>98802679>DAMN ComStar for stopping them!That was not ComStar...THAT WAS A FAILURE OF THE CLANS!!!
>>98802791>total warfare-era players are old
>>98802977You always were. Please leave.
>>98802970Fair enough
>>98803207>I play with unseen metal>It's the best, or so they tell me>Mike Stackpole is a dear friend, even though I don't believe in his Phantom Mech hocus pocus>They tell me the ilClan is going to be a great era>The greatest era>Even better than the Twilight of the Clans>I'll roll some D6's and see how it goes>The people of /btg/ are the best fans of Battletech>The greatest fans>I'm so pleased to be with them here today>Continue to cheer for the greatest scifi franchise that has never been rebooted over 45 years>And God Bless New Avalon
Unless you faggots are going to talk about Battletech or Alpha Strike, take it back to Twitter.
Oh no, the entire thread has been infected.
>>98803244But he makes the worst Succ Lords look COMPETENT!!!
You honors kids wanna take this shit to /pol/? This is a thread about killing people with giant robots.
>>98803282Best solution is to ignore them and post relevant content.For example, do we know if the Falcons/Wolves/Horses implemented the Eugenics Program for civilians?
>>98803310>do we know if the Falcons/Wolves/Horses implemented the Eugenics Program for civilians?Yes. The Falcons are well known in the DA for this. Most of the rest of the DA clans retreated to little reservations to preserve their culture but the Falcons kept on trucking like it was 3051 and their people were all Klusterfuckers.
>>98803310The Wolves implemented it on Terra with few immediately apparent problems. But even the most clan biased writers should know that won't really work, so hopefully we'll see it bite them in the ass soon.
>>98803332ilKhan's Eyes OnlyRead it.
>>98803298>Post the record sheet for the fishing boat in international waters.Does this look approprate?
>>98803351
>>98803351needs more ferro.
>>98794533That’s not true, infantry have had special mentions in all the hot spots books, BSPs or not. Scouring Sands prominently featured infantry support in addition to copious amounts of elementals, and lots of the new fiction and book blurbs have infantry and tankers in star roles.
>>98798149Depending on the author and the mech, battletech ranges from walking tank to a mobile suit from one of the more grounded Gundam OVAs like 0080. These Phoenix Hawks are giving people the finger and are least capable of backflips and cool flanking maneuvers. Check the mech Olympics section of the new Draconis Reach book, or the old GDL novels where mechs are hiding prone in bushes and shit.
>>98802563>-Leo ShowersOh No He Don't!
The Inner SphereIt is explodingMechs are stompingShells are loadingYou took out all your heat sinksMaking room for missile boatin'You say that mech's for urban warfareSo what's that nuke you're toting?Even Solaris VII's orbit hasBodies floating
>>98803573>How can you say were not on the eve of destruuuuctiiiiooon
>>98803573Everywhere is freaks and hairiesDykes and fairies, tell me, where is sanity?Tax the rich, feed the poor'Til there are no rich no moreI'd love to change the worldBut I don't know what to doSo I'll leave it up to youPopulation keeps on breedingNation bleeding, still more feeding, economyLife is funny, skies are sunnyBees make honey, who needs money? No, not poor meI'd love to change the worldBut I don't know what to doSo I'll leave it up to youOh, yeahWorld pollution, there's no solutionInstitution, electrocutionJust black and white, rich or poorThem and us, stop the warI'd love to change the worldBut I don't know what to doSo I'll leave it up to you-George Harrison, Famous Libertarian
>I'm doing shadowrun stuff>I don't know why I'm doing shadowrun stuff>I feel like I have lost control of my life
>>98803617Not really BT related, but I've had my share of fun breaking older Shadowrun edition campaign with legal yet ridiculous characters.
>>98803632Shadowrun is really easy to exploit in every edition.
>>98803632>>98803661>What do you think I'm doing?I know how to break Shadowrun so I know how to run Shadowrun. I'm pretty good at it but nothing can save you from a dumbass player.I'd be happy to run a couple TPK's in SR if it filtered the scrubs.
>>98803632I just came up with 3 new character archetypes, plus i want to go back and really refine my old ones, really lay out the fine print. Some were abandoned and left half finished, others could use some fine tuning. I'd say they are well optimized, but not hyper-optimized.
>>98803692I'll make a Shadowrun thread I guess.Long Live Battletech!
If I make it so players in my campaign can get a support vehicle to give their lance a bonus, what support vehicles would you consider crucial to have on the list? So far I have: Coolant Truck, J-27 Ordnance Carrier, MASH Truck, Mobile Field Base, IndustrialMech, Tonbo or Salvage Flatbed, and Mobile HQ.Anything I'm missing?
>>98803710Do you have a comm or satellite center?
>>98803720Mobile HQ has one built in.
>>98803710does mobile field base have barracks? I used a road train car as one in a mekhq game once
>he must have been a lance commander
>>98803775Giving out the order for fun
>>98802293Isn't there a Nyx variant with two lances?
>>98803244It's funny to think about. Over a decade ago, politics were this uniparty talking point nonsense that most people just didn't bring up in polite conversation. Now things have gotten so bad that nobody paying attention can really stop thinking about it, and more people are being forced to pay attention.Anyway I kinda want to do a kike run migger campaign on a small scale. Like a system wide war centered around Zion II or something.
>>98803632>>98803617Should've had a planetary system that was a reference to shadowrun, with the planet on it being really advanced but with a weird, vaguely fantasy theme, and a military production plant that builds nothing WiGE vehicles.
>>98803952There are multiple cyberpunk planets run by corpo blorpos. You could transplant LAW and IrTech directly into Shadowrun and nobody would even blink.
>>98803948There's nothing to suggest any Jews on Zion. The names of the moons (Talit and Bimah, "Prayer Shawl" and "Altar") don't make any sense for actual Jews to have given, and Jews would probably have used the Hebrew spelling for Be'er Sheva instead of English Beersheba. Jews probably also wouldn't have named it Zion, but that's more speculation.My guess is that it was named by Judaism-enthusiasts, probably Christians of some sort (cf. Zion National Park).
>>98803961>You could transplant LAW and IrTech directly into Shadowrun and nobody would even blink.There's even whole planets that are effectively under corporate rule, like Galax and Federated-Boeing.
>>98803975Or Irian, which is what IrTech is named for.
>>98803975There should really be more small scale stories in Battletech. Having Mechwarrior stuff going on in neocorpo systems sounds cool
I just ordered the scouring sands box, looking forward to try the solo rules. For people in Dutchland, https://tabletopgames.nl/nl/21-battletech has a nice discount going. Only thing is, he only ships inside the Netherlands as standard and to Germany and Belgium on request.
>>98803997The problem is that there's not much room for big stompy robots in those stories, and the moment you try to have a story without big stompy robots, a certain class on fan and Herb get angry.Hell, look at the pre-made RPG adventures. Almost all have Mech combat in them, very often for no apparent reason (I'm looking at you, Living Legends).
>>98804055Speaking as someone who lives at 1700m or so, I've always wondered if you gets ever get oxygen poisoning or something.
>>98804066You guys*
>>98804055>he only ships inside the Netherlands as standard and to Germany and Belgium on request.Guess the borderless EU doesn't apply to postal carriers?
>>98804069I think all postal carriers could ship internationally but not all of them do because it costs more, and not all sellers are willing to ship internationally because of the increased postal fees.Haven't seen it with miniatures, but I've bought Lego pieces through sellers on Bricklink, and some of the small sellers only ship to their own country or neighboring ones.
>>98804110Snivelry. They aren't even crossing an ocean.
>>98804066Kek, the part of Dutchland where I'm located is not polder flat, I even live some 25m above sea lvl. But I have seen real mountains, my swamp brain is blown everytime.>Oxygen poisoning If you are that high up all the time, do you notice the air is diverent when you go into the Lowlands?>>98804069There are some new rules about packaging that caused a big stir but nobody is following those rules and they are not (yet) enforced also. In this case, the store owner is some older boomer dude, I ordered there before a few years ago, then he got health problems and wanted /needed to quit the store but the website never closed and now he is selling some wargame stuff again. He also only uses PostNL for shipping, idk maybe he thinks shipping internationally is still a real hassle or he really just doesn't get it. Battletech is kinda scarce in this region of the world so I'll take it.
What resource is there that can list all of the Battle Armor with Modular Weapon Mounts? Mekbay and Megamek don't seem to track that.
>>98804127>If you are that high up all the time, do you notice the air is diverent when you go into the Lowlands?Yes, actually. I was joking about the oxygen poisoning, but altitude sickness (from the thinner air) is a real thing. It's mostly a headache, nausea, and feeling tired, and is always reduced endurance, but at It's worst it can cause fluid in your heart or your brain and can even be fatal! That won't happen at 1700m, but at 2500m or so it's a very real risk, and the lowest case of High Altitude Cerebral Edema was only 2100m!It takes a week or two to get used to it.When people acclimated to high altitude go down, we become tiny supermen, able to run forever. That's why runners and cyclists train at altitude. My high school's track was used by the Japanese women's Olympic running team!
>>98804150Side comment: we need La Paz Olympics (~3600m) because it would be fucking hilarious.
I have zero respect for the Nova Cats. No respect at all
>>98804173What, just because they betrayed everything they believed in, became impotent pets, and were ultimately crushed without fanfare?
>>98804173A wise decision, the worthless should be disregarded in all things.
>>98804176that's every clan though. they all betrayed everything they even went on the exodus FOR to worship sicky nicky's brainfaggoted retardedness.
>>98804211No that's jumping a step. They went to escape the Succession Wars and then they did a Succession Wars to themselves. THEN to escape that they turned to Tricky Nick's Why Not? gambit with no alternative presented. And it was all the Capellans' fault.
>>98804232so they're double triple super mega failure betrayers.first they swear to leave in order to NOT devolve into internecine warfare. do it any way, then they worship psycho boy, go back to their first worlds out in the middle of no where and betray harder by conquering them lot, for more internecine warfare they left to avoid doing... then they come and invade the IS for more internecine warfare.so they're oathbreaking faggots like, what 6 times over?
Banshee 12SZeus 11SCrusader 10SAxman 5RHatchetman 8SNightsky 7Sso the ilClan steiners are eating real good mech food...WHY the flying fuck are they balkanised failed retards then?are the writers just faggots who jerk off to misery porn fanfic they 'write'?
i mean, think about it, the steiners have all these full clantech production lines up and running, they should be the ilclan version of the FWL during the clan invasion. fucking every man and his dog should be queing up, begging to pay through the nose to buy clantech build quality IS mechs. ESPECIALLY such beloved classics like the crusader. the stieners should be making such bank they can float their entire nation off the back of it.
>>98804748>>98804790Having good mechs =/= having good governance
>>98804790Most other great houses can also make Clantech by 3150s, though Steiners are the only ones that can make cXLFEs. Though I suspect the other houses would rather buy stuff from Sea Foxes, who are at least nominally a neutral party. The states that border the Lyrans are FWL and Dracs, who wouldn't want to fun their enemy, and while Fedsuns have an OK relationship with them they're on the other side of the IS.
>>98804748They have some goated mech designs but they are all expensive and the Commonwealth barely has an economy rn. They would have zero economy if not for them barely holding it together. That's why they are splintering apart. All I know though is that the Timbuktu bastards can taste my laser for trying to break away from the glorious(but currently poor) Steiner state
Do you have any tips for forcing alpha strike fags to play classic?
>>98804150I should know such things but lack of mountains fades such knowledge.>Tiny supermanI don't care much for running but riding my bicycle, I know cliche we get indoctrinated from birth, while high on oxygen sounds cool. Boosted me, danger to manifold, lol.
>>98804889Book the table they usually play at before they can every single week.
>>98804889Swap their AS cards for roster sheets and when they notice conveniently have a hex map ready to play.
>>98804889>please play my inferior gamePathetic
>>98803765Some sort of mobile barra js is a good idea, I'll add that to the list
>>98804748Because Davion Man will travel.
The next thread will be better. There will at least be more story time.
>>98805322>There will at least be more story time.That's not what these threads are for. Put that shit on Wattpad instead of polluting the post count with fanfic.
>>98805381Can you go back to watching Dream cheat at Minecraft instead of loitering around here? I wanna hear the narrative someone wrote about this narrative-heavy wargame and RPG series.
Anon, I know you are jealous about not being included but try to behave yourself.
>>98805435Batrep or fuck off, simple as
>>98805508If you can't post yours why are you demanding one?
>>98805139Have a set of old, sketchy VW van equivalents.
>>98803710You probably want a few cargo trucks just to carry supplies.
>>98804889Just offer to teach them. Tell them they should try it at least the once so they know what it's like. Most AS players are one of two types: scared of the record sheet, or just really like simple, higher model count fast action. The first type can be converted by showing them it's not as complicated as its memed to be. The second type might be converted if the experience unlocks an interest they didn't know they had. Either way don't make it an AS vs Classic thing because most people are reactionary and will dig their heels in when a line is drawn, but make it more like an opportunity for them to try something that they have never had, because people like novel experiences.
>>98805893>pic I hate that
Anyone know of some good ways to get custom map sheets? I want to get some with 1.75" hexes instead of the 1.25" ones sold everywhere. While they match the standard base, that also means the standard base completely covers up information like the level or what terrain they are on. And similarly, 1.75" means I can use some old Heroscape boxes for elevation, which I also feel works better than the Lorescape stuff that's official, because those being the same 1.25" size has a lot of even older minis bumping into taller hills and cliffs.
>>98804173>I have zero respect for the Nova Cats. No respect at allJokes on you, neither do the Nova Cats.
>>98802397Owens.
>>98806268Take a pdf mapsheet, scale it up, print it at a kinko's (which i think is now FedEx)
so if I theoretically have mechs with different paint schemes can I include them in the same force
>>98806750Sure. It doesn't have any bearing on gameplay to begin with, but a lot of the iconic schemes are only for parades and formal occasions anyway and they all wear appropriate camouflage on the field. Mixed schemes could just be allied units or mercenaries.
>>98804173My Spirit Animal told me to tell you go fukkenshitezodden und self
>>98806941Listen to that, do you? I wouldn't.
