>x-card WHY IS THIS STILL A THING
>>98807376I don't think it is.
>>98807376So people can pat themselves on the back for being inclusive.
>>98807376Because why not. I've never seen one used, but if you're playing with strangers, you can just throw them on the table for brownie points.
>>98807376it's not.
>>98807376protip: you can X-card the X-card
>>98807376Under what circumstances would something stop being a thing?
>>98807410If I'm playing with strangers and you try any gay ass reddit shit like x-cards at my table, you're just outta the game, lol.You can just refuse to play with people who are trouble. It's just that easy.
>>98807504When people realize they don't need to pay for a card with an X on it and can simply stop playing if the game does something they don't like to the point where their participation hinges on whatever is happening continues.
>>98807376Have you ever seen one in a game you were playing?
>>98807376>X card>If X = or Greater than Y, you may ZNOOOOOOOOOOO I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO USE ALGEBRA OUTSIDE OF SCHOOOOOL
>>98807508>>98808850So you actually believe theres a single proprietary "X- card" that people have to buy, then show up with and start using in random games completely unprompted?
>>98808850>When people realize they don't need to pay for a card with an X on itDo you actually think it's a product? Are you an idiot? Have you been brain damaged by culture wars and the inter-You know what, never mind. Answered my own questions.
>>98807376Was it ever a thing? I don't play with retards so I've never even seen it mentioned outside of /tg/.
>>98807376It is just one of retarded formalities that companies put in their books to score some good ally points. Most of people I play games with are various degrees of lefties and x-cards have never come up.
>>98807376Thanks for the reminder that the X-card's creator was cancelled for putting something too uncomfy in his game (the X-card didn't save him)
>>98807376Because /tg/ is the only place whining about it and /tg/ has been irrelevant to this hobby since 2013.
>>98807508I've been a forever DM for 28 years. I'll never be at your table. I run my own.
>>98807376I have never seen one of these used before
>>98807508Has anyone actually tried to use one at your table, or are you just a whinging retard?
>>98809573The only thing the pearl-clutching x-card moral panic that gripped this board ever did was reveal how out of touch we were for all our assumptions about how this was "everywhere"
>>98809407That wasn't the x card creator. The x card creators were a couple got the idea by introducing rules from their bondage group sex events. Iirc they got canceled for attempting to use public shaming to bully a tatoo artist into giving them free tatoos
>>98807410>>98809327>>98809377>>98809573>>98809583I've seen a decent number of Roll20 games advertising their use of X-Cards in search.
>>98809719I've seen a decent number of e-bay advertisements trying to sell stainless steel silverware sets for $300. You know why they are advertisements instead of closed listings? Cause no one was buying.
>>98807376I would never use an x-card. I just have my players provide me a list of things that make them uncomfortable in games and that they would not want included, and then I make sure to include them as much as possible.
>>98808987Fuck you, I'll Z whenever I want.
>>98809816Why?
>>98810175To push them away. I am worthless and I feel that everyone around me knows I'm worthless too. By actualizing it, I can be sure that it isn't a projection. I can at least have the satisfaction of being right.
In BDSM, safewords are used even when a simple ‘hey, I think something you just did was too far’ would suffice. Safewords exist originally so that a sub can cry out and say no and beg cathartically while not actually wanting to stop. But then people realized that having the mechanism made it easier. By making a little ritual around wanting to stop where you know it will be respected and you don’t need to explain why, some people gain a lot of mental relief from the option.Now, are the stakes high enough in an rpg to warrant a safeword? No, not really.
>>98810220I mean. Put like that, I can sort of see it. If an x-card is on the table, you are probably with a group that isn't made up of friends. Plenty of RPG folks tend to be kicked-around underfoot types or mental weirdos. Folks that generally have probably had some bad experiences when they've tried to assert themselves in the past. Now they are in this social situation and everyone else seems to be having a good time, but the DM is describing a suicide and they were going to neck themselves last week or whatever and it is eating them up.From the outside looking in, it might be easy to go, "Just speak up and tell the DM to wrap that shit up instead of dwelling on it." For them it might just be easier to tap a card.Eh, you've sold me on it, honestly.
The AI infestation here is unreal. Should X card be our "Say Tchoupitoulas or get the fuck out?"
>>98807376I know, right? "Lines and veils" is so much better as a safety tool.
>>98807376It's not, you're making shit up to get mad at because you are a gameless, joyless faggot.
>>98810254That’s mainly the situation if you aren’t playing with a group of friends that you trust and/or communicate regularly with. During one my narrations, one of my players piped up that he was fine with fictional violence but just felt uneasy by an excess of fore and blood descriptions, so I know to tone it down when he’s playing for the future. An X-card means you don’t know what the exact issue is to correct in the future, just that someone is uncomfortable right then and there.
>>98810220You never know what people go through in life. A (male) friend of mine somehow managed to get molested by colleagues twice, once by a classmate and another time by a supervisor. I've had a boomer try to feel me up at work. I've had close relatives who nearly died in car crashes, or who watched their loved ones waste away from disease. Some things i would have been fine with a few years ago just arent pallateable now that i've experienced them personally, or watched it happen to someone i care about. Point is, even if you asked me outright i wouldnt want to say "please dont to any rape jokes im still not over some guy running his hand up my leg" because its humiliating just to admit that it affects me. Saftey tools are nice because i would appreciate having an option to step out of something in-game without needing to stop everyone and explain that all in detail
>>98814116If your GM is good they won't need dumb shit like cards to read the room. If they're bad, the cards won't make them less bad by magic. That and they are way, way too open to abuse.I've heard of many more cases of X cards being abused by jackasses (A vampire group that carded blood and nonconsensual feeding) than I have of them working as intended to protect people's feefees.You may have personal hang ups that arise in edge cases (30 years of gaming I think I've seen rape jokes twice and both times was with a group of mates we knew for a fact wouldn't be bothered by it), however, that is not worth giving jackass activists a crack into which they can insert the prybar that is X cards.That is why I X card the concept of X cards.
>>98814479this seems disingenuous of you>the gm can read the roomi AM the GM. i already have two books open, notes on a seperate sheet of paper and half a dozen stat blocks to track. if you think i have the spare brainpower to psychoanalyze four people through the layer of characters they're currently acting as, you're insane. >vampire game of people who clearly had never heard of vampire beforeyou seriously believe the stories people tell you to make you agitated on the internet? You're telling me an entire group had not seen a single page of the rulebook nor ever seen or heard anything about VTM before. how did they even end up playing it in the first place? >a group of mates we knew for a fact wouldn't be bothered by itthe point is that you dont know. even assuming nothing bad has ever happened to anyone you know, dont they have girlfriends? 1/3 women over 25 have been sexually harassed. which one of them is going to be thinking about their girlfriend when you make that joke? statistically there's at least one. and its not like rape is the only thing in the world, people will have relatives who're alcoholics or who killed themselves, or have had an abusive parent. the point is that stuff is common. any given male player at your table is more likely to have been beaten by their gf than you are to roll a 20. multiply that across four players and its 50/50 odds that at least one of them at the table has been physically abused by a previous partner. >im fighting activistsare you PLAYING with activists? you're already saying you'll kick them out of the game, is there some reason using safety tools limits your ability to do that? honestly the whole take makes it pretty obvious you've never played a game in the first place, but lets pretend for a moment. the question for you is this. is it worth the risk of sacrificing the saftey and wellbeing of your friends that you play with every week, in order to oppose a theoretical "activist" you've never met?
Nobody gets to veto my fun on account of being psychologically incontinent.At my table, I will make you leave so fast you will literally skid; I once threw a man off my front stoop into a pile of my neighbor's cat's shit.At anybody else's table, I will straight up suggest that you not play, to you, and to the DM.If you continue to play, I excuse myself and find something to do with people who aren't spastics.
>>98807376Casuals like mana sinks.
>>98814854>if you think i have the spare brainpower to psychoanalyze four people through the layer of characters they're currently acting as, you're insane.You expect me to believe you lack the brain to notice and remember "Don't mention X in front of Jimmy" but you can simultaneously remember unstable Mabel's laundry list of X's? Bullshit.>how did they even end up playing it in the first place?Fucked if I know, it only lasted a couple of sessions but it wasn't an Internet story and I've no reason to believethe poor fucker who got dragged into it lied.>>a group of mates we knew for a fact wouldn't be bothered by it>the point is that you dont know.Yes I fucking do. >are you PLAYING with activists?One or two mates that I've known for decades who drank the kool aid. They can be annoying but they're still mates. They just don't get to dictate terms to everyone else.I also play in national LARP systems where I can't control what kind if fragile retards come to the game.>>98817952>Nobody gets to veto my fun on account of being psychologically incontinent.This is the TLDR. X cards are a clear attempt to make an imposition on other players. Spergs like you know damn well they're annoying and pointless and just hope against hope someone will object so you can go all HR lady on them.
>>98807376Only fags and corpos ever push that shit. That shit will get you kicked out and blacklisted faster than pushing pronouns on everything, especially that gay xir/xer shit.
>>98807399Inclusive by excluding the indemic native inhabitant/players of TTRPGs: Grognards and Chuds.I want to turn California into a glass parking lot so much
>>98818434well the part that you're a larper is certainly true. Its pretty sad that even in an imaginary scenario where you can be anything you'd choose to cling to a victim mentality and to be a culture warrior pursuing a vendetta rather than someone who would prioritize their friends
>>98818777X Cards would only annoy my friends though. Anyway, by your own rules can you even whinge about me X carding the concept of X cards? I thought it was meant to be no questions asked? Or is that just for the things that arent to *your* tastes?
>>98818818>by your own rules can you even whinge about me X carding the concept of X cards?the concept is if something makes you uncomfortable you dont need an excuse to keep the game something you're able to enjoy. the concept is that everyone at the table is there to have fun, and has mutual respect for everyone else pursuing that goal. You are trying to X-card a safety tool, something that's not even a part of the game mechanically let alone something visual or thematic you could have a problem with. Im not OBLIGATED to follow an x card like you seem to believe. if you use it to mock someone who feels uncomfortable then i will stop the game and tell you to leave, which is and always has been within my abilities if someone happens to act like a cunt. im not going retardedly worship an object just your strawman depends on it, im going to uphold the values that justify the use of the object, and kick you out. Which you could do to people you dont like too, with or without using a saftey tool in your own games, which is why you're such a retarded fucking larper. please for the love of god play a game.
>>98819536So the cards are there to shut down, without question or pushback, the things *you* don't like.The moment the cards, something *you* liked, came up on the chopping block, you carved out an exception and then rationalised it. As if you'd be totally fine with someone making rape jokes because "It's was five minutes before the game started guys, the X cards aren't in play yet! Don't get meta!"You don't give a shit about what other people find uncomfortable. You're just a kid who wants to get his way and found a too to let you do that while framing anyone who doesn't want to walk on eggshells to please some brittle therapy-speak narcissist as harming their friends.
>>98807508This but X-cards are a no-games boogieman anywayAlso i always advertise my games in a way that is designed to be off-putting to pearl clutchers
>>98809259I've seen them sold online
>>98807376It's been out of date for 10 years. You'd know that if you actually played any games.
>>98807376The only x-card I've ever seen is in my...
>>98810220Sex is different than TTRPGs thoughinterrupting sex is a big boner killerinterrupting a conversation to talk is literally noting
>>98807376It isn't, I've been playing for close to a decade and have never seen one used
>>98818818>Anyway, by your own rules can you even whinge about me X carding the concept of X cards? I thought it was meant to be no questions asked? Or is that just for the things that arent to *your* tastes?>>98819779That is clearly acting in bad faith. Doing that is the equivalent of saying>It makes me uncomfortable when other players mention that stuff makes THEM uncomfortable.
>>98807398This, OP is just desperate for attention and has found making these threads is a way to get it.
>>98807376>>why is there bdsm shit in my children's game hasbro? I will never understand why simple objections from parents didn't eradicate leftism in corporate America.
>>98823522Who gives a shit about parents?
>Lefties are back to "its not happening" with x-card bullshitkek
>>98818818>X carding the concept of X cards?Well good thing people bring this up before the first session about the tone of the game and what tools are available if you're uncomfortable If you hear a table is using X-cards before coming in, and then your retarded act at the table, you're being a cunt, aren't you?You're told what's in the game and what we're using, but you're coming anyway to be a dick for like 10 minutes before you're kicked out.
>>98824422Then *do your retarded act at the tableGrammatical error
>>98822396>It makes me uncomfortable when other players mention that stuff makes THEM uncomfortable.That can be a real thing. What about one gay dude who gets offended at gay jokes and another who gets offended when people avoid making gay jokes (It makes his friends have to walk on eggshells and implies he's too fragile to take a joke).
>>98807376I use a XXX-card to remove some game from my smut and racism.
>>98809119Who said that? Retard.
>>98809575They asked for veils, and I said they should look for another table. If you have panic attacks during a dice game you need a therapist, not a GM.
>>98807376>WHY IS THIS STILL A THINGBecause we still haven't purged all the leftists from society yet.
>>98807376Only time I can think I've pulled an "X-card" was when the DM implied my character's newborn child had been raped by the villain of the week.
>>98818555Its okay, the loud annoying people behavior pendulum will swing back to performative religiosity eventually.
>>98818555Most TTRPG developers aren’t in California, though.
>>98823522Largely the number of parents who went through adolescence in the sixties.
>>98825906The same people who produced chick tracts now wanna make a claim on my hobby, like I would just forget all the shit they put me and mine through. Fucking lol.
>>98824797They get really offended when you tell them that you're not their therapist and game time is not their therapy session, but even in a less confrontational way, there are people who are extremely uncomfortable working through other people's trauma and mental issues, especially if they aren't close friends or family. Everyone else has their own issues, they don't need to be dealing with yours too.
>>98824797Two players disagreeing on whether certain jokes should be made is entirely from saying "I don't like it if other players are allowed to speak up when they are uncomfortable".The former case is still an absurd and unrealistic scenario, but it is something that can be discussed out of game. They aren't saying they can't discuss their differences.The latter is a bad faith misinterpretation of what the purpose of allowing people to speak up is. It seeks to prevent any discussion at all and make others uncomfortable.
>>98827049Saying you don't want to see disturbing content in a game isn't asking someone to turn a game into a therapy session.
>>98828239Making a big scene about your own traumas and disturbances is itself disturbing. Reacting obnoxiously when someone doesn't want to deal with your problems during their limited free time is disturbing.
>>98825991you're correct. But the ones that drive 90% of the played TTRPGs online (aka D&D) are. Don't try to tell me its in Washington State, Washington State isn't real, its just an expansion pack for California
>>98829930Basically the West Coast is all the same thing with a few differences in 'themes"Seattle is basically like CA but 5 years back mostly white with a splash of other races mostly Asians but black/arabs are growing.Portland is discount Seattle even more corrupt but doesn't have amazon or a big tech company to leech off of.CA is the Queen parasite that basically is the classic corpos taken over by gay commie brownshirts and race hustlers and we are seeing it slowly die cause the USAid money was cut off as well as Blackrock admitted it they don't have the funds to keep backing failed project after failed project. Now they're trying to court the fans who did pay back but that's mostly a lost cause. As they don't want to admit they fucked up and solve the problem but still keep the people who ruin the IP in.
>>98828233That sounds a bit too much like "Only apply the rules when it would offend me" for my tastes.>>98828317Essentially this.X cards give creepy attention-mongers a disproportionate amount of influence as it stops anyone saying "You're being unreasonable now". Nice theory or not, people do abuse this by X-Carding excessively. I would guess they are hoping 'the chuds' will object so they can simultaneously bully everyone else into dancing to their tune and play the victim and have a nice cathartic cry about it when challenged.Don't underestimate the ability of bullies to abuse things done by good natured people for their benefit.
>>98830104Pretty much this. They added their BDSM stuff with the x-cards because you got to remember, everything has to be about them and their sexuality and whatever disorder they say they have at the time. Basically, they don't want to play a TTRPG they want the GM and other players to help them live their power fantasy. Same with "drama club rejects and theater kids." If they don't like the themes, they use whatever buzzword they can to change or remove it and add their themes and be offended if you try to do the same.
