>>98826587
>urine
Its golden colour was the source of potent symbolism, fermenting urine was the primary source of ammonia for most of history, phosphorous was discovered by an alchemist boiling of thousands of gallons of urine to try and distil its true essence, and inspection of urine was one of the few ways of determining bodily health and assessing a subject's humors without cutting the body open.
>stomach fluids
Humoral theory and a focus on the balance of bodily fluids in order to ensure healthiness. For most of history, no one really had a strong idea of what all of the different organs in the body did other than produce a variety of different fluids, so it was assumed that these fluids must be vital to existence.

>>98826677
>phosphorous was discovered by an alchemist boiling of thousands of gallons of urine
Imagine the smell

>>98826664
Changelings are chuunis, troons just latched onto them.

>>98826637
TQ
Get UFOtable to animate a Mage show with inspirations from the Doctor Strange movie. Can't topple the Technocracy, but you could invent a subsidiary to blow up and loosen the leash on a small area. Think like JJK or Hunter X Hunter and how everyone's got their unique techniques and often get too lost with in fighting.

>>98826677
>Hm I wonder how I make quintessence
>DISTILL ENOUGH URINE AND OR VINEGAR UNTIL GOD IS PRODUCED
>right so how does this fit into the four elements theory
>WHO CARES KEEP YOUR ASBESTOS AND MAGNETS CLOSE THOUGH DID YOU KNOW SWALLOWS HEARTS CAN MAKE YOU INFERTILE TRUE STORY

I'm gonna be here for months at this rate, I'm not even ON tarot cards and the four humours yet I'm gonna have to go through Astrology first.

>>98826687
I hate to break it to you about chuunis.

I'm really not a fan of the tiers of Hunter the Vigil. The second tier shouldn't exist. I get that cells are supposed to be local hicks who don't know shit and are just banding together to fight a monster plaguing their neighbourhood, but hunters who join compacts are surely knowledgeable enough to also know about conspiracies, so surely they'd sign up for those instead for the superior benefits. Are compact hunters just retarded or something?

>>98826725
There are people who are suspicious of large groups, like the government. Being in a mid-sized militia gives you some resources and some freedom. It's the best of both worlds.

https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/news/month-of-darkness-2026-day-13
Dev Diary!

>>98826753
But many conspiracies aren't big groups like the government, and many compacts are government-affiliated.

Required reading to accurately portray your mage's paradigim

>Akashic Brotherhood
Any xianxia thing, probably not Dragon Ball though.
>Celestial Chorus
KJV or Douay-Rheims Bible.
>Sons of Ether
Vintage sci-fi for aesthetics.
>Cult of Ecstasy
No need to read, just have sex (impossible for Mage players).
>Euthanatos
No one plays these.
>Order of Hermes
The Hermetic Corpus.
>Verbena
Simple English wikipedia page for wicca.
>Virtual Adepts
Programming for Dummies + watch Matrix.

>>98826766
>impossible for Mage players
You cannot be a proper wizard if you have sex!

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>>98826809
She will look in the basket first and then when the marble isn't there, she'll look in the box because it's the only other location in the room where the marble might be.

Similarly, when a hunter is presented with a compact and a conspiracy and has to figure out which offers the best benefits, they'll check out one and then the other. After the comparison is complete, they'll find that the conspiracy has the most benefits so they'll go with the conspiracy every time.

>>98826765
>many compacts are government-affiliated.
Division 6 is one of my ST's favorites.

>>98826832
Way to pass the rehearsal and botch the play.

>>98826849
Elaborate.

>>98826766
>no recommended reading for dreamspeakers
based oral tradition chads, keeping their secrets out of the hands of sleepers

Would you let a changling lay eggs in you?

>>98826856
Put it like this. Bubba-Joe and Billy-Bob the local rednecks figure out there's bloodsuckers prowling their neck of the woods. After a long hunt they manage to take one down with their shotguns and pet Rottweilers. Now, who are they more likely to trust and sign up with?
>their cousin Jimmy-Jack who's a pillar of the community, lifelong friend to both men, and member of the Union who are all down-to-earth folks they're likely to be acquainted with and vibe with on a sociocultural level
or,
>shady gubmint assholes that recruit both men with threats, blackmail, and kill innocent people without flinching for the sake of some nebulous "national security" thing
>shady narco types that are behind half the meth casualties of the local community and justify their hand in the drug trade saying they need to build funds and gather ingredients for their crazy spooky drugs to fight monsters with
>cultist weirdos that say they're literally children of Old Scratch and use spooky devil magic that makes Baby Jesus cry
>representatives from the local corpo conglomerate that is driving most of their friends and relatives out of business
The list goes on, but the pattern should be clear by now. Now, care to answer the question?

>>98826900
Changeling? No. True Fae? Yes.

>>98826902
If they're not retarded, they'll side with the conspiracies over the compacts because they'll give them the toys that they'll need to do a better job at hunting monsters. If they intentionally cripple themselves in their fight against the supernatural just for the sake of comfort, then they are retarded.

>>98826765
And what of compacts Ashwood Abbey, where their entire goal is strictly hedonism and self aggrandizement? That isn't conspiracy level dedication to the Hunt, nor would it be an organization with the temperament to make Endowments. Or how about Network Zero who explicitly want to showcase spooky stuff, the exact sort of stuff that "the man" would wanna hide?

And sure, they might know about 1 or 2 conspiracies, but they don't have the WhiteWolfWiki, they can't possibly know every one of them, only the ones they come into direct contact with. They might have exclusive membership like the Lucifuge, or be completely incongruous with the hunters personal goals. I don't see an Abby member rushing off to join the Malleus Maleficarum or other such religious Conspiracies, do you?

> but hunters who join compacts are surely knowledgea-
No, they're not. It's a world of secrets, not truths. Not even Conspiracies know that much in the grand scheme of things.

>>98826947
>Ashwood Abbey
Anyone who joins that compact is retarded in the first place.
>No, they're not. It's a world of secrets, not truths. Not even Conspiracies know that much in the grand scheme of things.
But they're informed enough to know about the compacts, which is another major issue. Why do they continue to let compacts exist? They could just press-gang the compacts into working for them and multiply their manpower to more effectively hunt monsters. It's literally retarded not to do this, they are genuinely crippling themselves by allowing a bunch of rank amateurs to endanger their mission by being suboptimal.

>>98826766
>sons of ether
titus alone (1959)
>cult of ecstasy
the sexual tantra
>euthanatos
abhidhamma pitaka

Question: Garou can gain temp renown just by doing helpful activities inside or outside the caern. Like standing guard for a month. You even get extra points for staying at your post no matter the distractions.

So what’s preventing garous from just doing those jobs and being promoted without barely doing any fighting?

>>98827074
Nothing. It's what NPCs do. Players are people who want to go out into the world.

>>98827074
Renown and Rank challenges

>>98826924
There are two dots. Connect them. There isn't even a wall between them.

>>98827090
If all you're going to do is be snide, I'll accept your concession that HtV lacks internal consistency.

>>98826725
>surely knowledgeable enough to also know about conspiracies
There are six hundred sixty-six Lucifuge in the entire world. In comparison, there are maybe twenty thousand Gangrel. And how many hunters are knowledgeable enough about blood-users to say, "oh, that asshole's a member of the Wolf poseur clan?"

>>98827094
It's very consistent to pick less than optimal choices for consistent story telling reasons.

>>98826971
>Anyone who joins that compact is retarded in the first place.
Not an argument.
>They could just press-gang the compacts into working for them and multiply their manpower to more effectively hunt monsters. It's literally retarded not to do this
Do you seriously think that engaging in a 40+ prong shadow-war is an efficient use of resources, to pick a fight with every single org smaller than you, in the name of hunting supernaturals? And why not the cells too while they're at it? "Join, disarm or die" is going to result in so much *human* death, It's absurd. Not to mention groups such as the Cherion Group gets no profit out of human death. Or that you know, pawns are useful sometimes.
>>98826924
They literally don't have their interests at heart. If your goal is to "protect my neighborhood" signing up with VALKYIRE and being shipped off to god knows where to be werewolf fodder for the US government isn't protecting your local town. It's almost like there's some kind of... theme, going on. About what you're willing to give up, and what you want to protect.

>>98827113
Anyone with enough dots in the right ability, which they really should have if they're fucking vampire hunters.
>durr vampire hunters shouldn't have any knowledge about vampires
What retardation is this?

>>98827129
>Anyone with enough dots in the right ability
Give a number. Hell, give a percentage of hunters in the world.

>>98827124
Stormwind fallacy. It is internally consistent to make optimal decisions, it is actually inconsistent to play a character who is retarded enough to be suboptimal.

>>98827081
Fair ‘nuff

>>98827089
They get their renown by standing around and being helpful. Though I guess challenges might be an issue

>>98827139
At least two dots in Occult to represent a professional understanding of the supernatural, preferably with a Vampire specialty, which is something that 100% of competent vampire hunters should have.

>>98827165
Wait I thought Renown challenges were a thing, is that not a thing at everyone's table? Like you do a thing to convert the temp renown into permanent renown so it's not just a massive grindfest

>>98827129
Is this this threads bait ? Do you ever get bored of it you sick fuck ?
Kill yourself.

>>98827177
Lmao fuck off

>>98827177
NUMBER OF PEOPLE, NOT DUMBER OF DOTS. YOU ABSOLUTE DUMBFUCK!

>>98827182
I don’t… but it’s because
1) I’m a poor ST with a lack of knowledge about the lore. I barely read the manual and I improvised with what I read + VTM stuff
2) It takes time

>>98827204
Technically he did give you a number, which was "Every hunter ever" with only 2 dots of occult. Clearly that should give you knowledge of clans, disciplines, and organization plus their schisms, as well as blood sorcery types, because he read it in the Vampire the Requiem Corebook

>>98827126
It's not an argument, it's a fact, AA is a compact for evil retards, not competent hunters.
>"Join, disarm or die" is going to result in so much *human* death
In the long run, forcefully conscripting all compact and cell hunters would create far less human death than continuing to allow them to operate and indirectly cause more casualties through suboptimal hunting.
>It's almost like there's some kind of... theme, going on. About what you're willing to give up, and what you want to protect.
I'm trying to get away from the WIeckslop of WoD, thank you very much. If HtV is just more trash about how organised and efficient conspiracies are le bad and you have to be a soulful suboptimal cell hunter in order to truly embody the human spirit, I'll give it a pass.

you try to kill me but i just put my mouth on the barrel and suck the bullet out of the casing ad then spit it back out at you, piercing clean through your skull and out the other side embedding itself in the wall behind you

>>98827218
>Oh, you want your hunter to know what a Gangrel is? I REQUIRE TWELVE SUCCESSES, NO HUNTER SHOULD EVER KNOW ANY DETAILS ABOUT VAMPIRES, NOT EVEN EXPERIENCED VAMPIRE HUNTERS
Fuck off.

>>98827195
Yeah it's the same routine he always does, he just occasionally changes splats.

>>98827225
Good luck with your forever war I guess. One with no end goal that will kill all your goons due to raw attrition.

>>98827252
Why is it a forever war when conspiracies have a significant advantage over compacts in basically every single regard?

>>98827182
At least what I am looking through, you earn temporary renown and once you accumulate 10 temporary renown it converts into 1 permanent renown. The book assumes you would earn it by actually doing things but you could in theory just take the proverbial desk job and slowly stack it that way.

>>98827129
Hey anon, I just saw that vampire mix his own blood into some gasoline before pouring it into his car's tank, what clan is he? You have out-of-character knowledge, you should absolutely recognize subgroup of licks

>>98827274
I haven't committed every detail of VtR to memory and I'm not a vampire hunter whose entire life and purpose is dependent on knowing shit about the prey that he's hunting. Sue me.

>>98827293
It's maybe not an entirely fair question. There's only five clans, but there are so, so many bloodlines.

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>even Hunter the Vigil is about fighting for the soul of the splat and being true to yourself and finding the right way to fight the enemy and taking a stand against the darker elements of the splat's society
Is there no escape from the Wieckslop?

>>98827343
>Wieckslop
What is this homosexual new buzzword?

>>98827377
Lurk more, it's been in use all year.

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>>98827420
kek

>>98827377
It's bait used to refer to every WoD game other than Vampire the Masquerade.
Steve and Stewart Wieck were a pair of brothers responsible for White Wolf Magazine and two of the three founders of White Wolf Publishing. At one point, an uppity Vampire fan blamed them for every splat other than Vampire, declared that all games other than Vampire were all the same and all "Wieckslop," that all games other than Vampire were a drain on White Wolf's finances and that the World of Darkness would be better off if it was literally just Vampire the Masquerade.
Trolls were pretty tickled by this and proceeded to use Wieckslop as bait whenever they wanted to troll fans of any game other than Vampire.

Bloodlines 1 was just lightning in a bottle, wasn't it? Could've been an absolute shitshow like 2 but somehow they lucked into making a cult classic.

Is there some old name Hermetics used when referring to themselves at some point? Like before they became the Order of Hermes

>>98827257
I’ll note that Compacts have the inherent advantage of speed relative to size in comparison to Conspiracies. A Compact can get the 40-odd people within them together in one place to make a decision together that very night, while a conspiracy will have the bureaucratic delays that are inherent to national/international organizations. Sometimes you can’t wait for approval from the Pope and have to act then and there, and you’ll have to face the fallout of that decision afterwards.

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How much of the VtM: Redemption experience am I missing if I just watch a playthrough instead of playing it? Im full on huffing the copium here but I need your help /wodg/, I recently embraced a childe and have won't have free time left to hold on to my dwindling humanity for another 4 years or so.

>>98827565
>I recently embraced a childe and have won't have free time
Re-evaluate your priorities.

>>98827565
Playing and watching a ttrpg are completely different things. It's like playing or watching a sport. Not to say you wont get anything out of it but you are missing an entire dimension of play.

If your time is really limited try a play by post. They have their own limitations but it will be closer to the experience.

>>98827612
>ttrpg
vtm redeption is a videogame

>>98827565
Watch a playthrough. Actually playing it is a miserable experience.

>>98827699
Me dumb.

It's a bit of an old and janky game now. You might prefer to watch.

>>98827719
>old and janky
Don't let grogs fool you, it was regarded as just as much of a buggy, unplayable mess back then.

>>98827734
Such is the fate of all WoD media.

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>>98827611
Free time outside teaching the childe, neonate
>>98827612
>>98827719
>>98827711
Kthx. The time I did play it I got filtered by the first encounter with the Tzimisce BBEG and the initial wonkyness of the controls.

Now I'll see why everyone thinks Monsieur Christoff is the Brujahest Brujah to Brujah

>>98826924
I'll have some pity on you, young retard.

Hunters believe more things than just 'hunting', first off. Even if you joined a big org and they made you better at it (no guarantee, by the way, and even if there was they can't open WhiteWolfWiki.com) it comes with large obligations that they don't necessarily want to do - they have to go all over, follow orders, exist in a chain of command, etc. A local hunter cell would be much more comfortable signing on with other local hunters - people who share the same language, same beliefs, possibly who live in the same community, and who won't be so onerous in the exaction of support from them that they don't really want to get on with. Then, on top of that, not all hunters want to just Hunt. They want to go after a specific sort of monster, or they only want to protect their local community, or they have some very specific personal code/religion/goal that joining with a larger organization interfers with. They might not trust larger oganizations, which is usually the correct decision, their local orgs might have a lot more meaning to them culturally, etc.

Basically you're saying that a SWAT member should never be SWAT and should instead go try and join Delta Force because Delta Force operates better and with better toys.

And even a hunter who is only concerned with hunting may not join a larger org due to being totally obsessive and unable to actually operate in those confines, for instance.
>>98826971
>They could just press-gang the compacts into working for them and multiply their manpower to more effectively hunt monsters.
Which is why forcibly conscripting external armed groups always goes so very well, right?

wait the null zone existed before the backrooms did

>>98824907
Hear me out, Pokemon but for other splats

>>98828424
mage can already play pokemon with spirit

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>>98826637
Have you ever played an actual retarded character? I don't mean stupid; I mean mentally unable to function without outside help.

>>98828453
>Have you ever played an actual retarded character? I don't mean stupid; I mean mentally unable to function without outside help.
Not in WoD, but I played a highly autistic character in another campaign.

>>98828453
"I Am Samworks magic 'cause ofPenn", raves Lou Lumenick of theNew York Post.

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>>98827241
the mask would be an interesting foe for a cabal of mages to contend with, how do you even come up with a plan to defeat him? you're all struggling to stay out of the public eye to deal with paradox and he just turns into cuban pete

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>>98827529
OG is Cult of Thoth, which mostly split between Cult of Mercury and later Order of Hermes.

Of course the further you go back, the more lines between Mage orders of today grow fainter and the supposed truths are doubtful.

I am a marauder and my insane belief is that I can find enough people in my area to play a game of Promethean in person and it will last longer than 3 sessions.

You now all eagerly want to Promethean and are not awful players.

>>98828572
Paradox jail immediately

THE FOUR REJECTIONS

Sunlight
Flames
Wooden Stakes
Running Water

THE ALCHEMICAL ROOTS OF A VAMPIRE'S BANES ARE THUS EMPIRICALLY PROVEN. THAT AS A VAMPIRE HAS CONQUERED THE NATURAL ORDER, SO DO THE NATURAL ORDER'S CONSTITUENT PARTS REBEL AGAINST THE VAMPIRE. ONLY THROUGH THE TRUE PATH TO ENLIGHTENMENT, THAT BEING THAUMATURGY, MAY A VAMPIRE PUT DOWN THIS REBELLION, AND ENJOY THE NATURAL STATE CRUDELY GIVEN THE EPITHET OF 'GOLCONDA,' WHERE HE MAY ENJOY ALL RIGHTS OF HIS STATION, UP TO AND INCLUDING WALKING THE DAY WITH IMPUNITY

>>98828595
>ignatius approves this message

>>98828595
Huh, there are unicode characters for the alchemical symbols for air, fire, earth, and water, but for some reason they didn't show up in that post

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>>98828599
They show up in my text editor just fine, which you'd expect to struggle with anything past ascii

>>98828549
>>98828549
I don't play mage or have familiarity with it beyond surface level, but I think that's the point of fighting marauders. If I were to run it right now, I'd say you'd have to beat them at their own game. Bugs bunny Mage is always going to drop a comically large anvil on your head, so you gotta use your spheres to hammerspace a trampouline.

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Tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga
I'm one-hundred-percent tzigga
Tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga
I'm two-hundred-percent tzigga
Tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga
Why do primogen hate tziggas?
Tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga
They hate us 'cause our dicks is bigga
Tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga
Why you call yourself a tzigga?
Tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga, tzigga
'Cause I'm a motherfuckin' tzigga

>>98829167
Sometimes, late at night
I wonder
How would I cope if I were to become
a tzigger?
Would I learn some shitty magic?
Would I troon?

>>98829167
all the tzimisce I see are a boring, one trick pony, is there any actually interesting representation for the clan?

>>98829285
I suppose one could do some interesting shitty focusing on koldun, dealing with not!demons and so on.

>>98829285
I've heard the Dracon had a personality in Dark Ages stuff but he's stuck as a baby in the modern days.

>>98826924
You are such a stupid faggot that a Pentex agent or BSD should rape you full of banes.

>>98829285
There is a Tzimisce named Tyrone who just wants to take care of his pack and make them happy. He only uses Vicissitude to 'animate' his tattoos or go into Zulo form to fight.

Did the second edition of Vampire: the Masquerade come out before the first edition of Werewolf: the Apocalypse?

>>98829417
No.
WtA 1e came out August 1992, VtM 2e came out December 1992.

>>98828453
I played one half of a duo of recently embraced gangrels who believed they were Werewolves.
We were dumb.

>>98829417
as the other anon said although mage, changeling and wraith came out later so technically 1e wod has vampires, mummies and werewolves

however the vtm 1e st book has prototypes for other supernaturals, but funnily enough it has baali but no demons not even proto banes or something like that

Why is the Gangrel Embrace the closest to actual rape out of all the Clans?

>>98829743
extreme pent up jealousy and frustration that the garou get free kinussy without having to deal with the downsides of being a vampire

Can a mage use Spirit alone to give voice to the animistic spirits occupying everyday objects? I hope I don't need Mind to translate the spirit's speech into something comprehensible to humans. And do I need another sphere to center the effect on something other than the talking spirit itself? I want to curse a vampire so whenever he's near a source of flame, it tells him how much it hates him

>>98829743
most the tribes have a chain of hurt going on when it comes to the embrace and the embraces themselves are meant to inform the trauma that most of the clan suffer in addition to general vampirism and in the case of the gangrel it's violence, abandonment and yes you could say rape and that makes them believe that they each need to be a island

>>98829314
Dracon has a bit, but it's mostly just depression and his monologe at the end of the dark age clan novel series

he is a plot central point who moves the novel but he is also barely a character due to his lack of on page apperance especially when you consider that he spends most of the novel pretending to be someone else who he also hates. even in the lore they retconning stuff about him all the time like if he is a koldun or hates koldunism or if he is on humanity or the path of Metamorphosis or the path of heaven

>>98829785
Spirit is required to interact with spirits at all in Mage. Someone without Spirit in Mage cannot perceive non-manifested spirits in any shame or form. This includes understanding spirit speech.

For your vampire trick, you could maybe do Spirit 2 + Forces 2 to awaken the spirit of a flame and amplify the sound it creates, while also causing that sound to serve as an English translation of its spirit speech.

>TQ
VTM, duh.
As for Cofd? CTL would make a fantastic movie or show if Cartoon Saloon worked on it

>>98829928
It would just be Coraline or Over the Garden Wall with some extra stuff. Fortunately those are both great media to start from

>>98829979
OTGW with fight scenes and more brutality

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I feel like Mage is just the Exalted of World of Darkness
>Give players near infinite power
>They mostly use that power to fuck with random innocent mortals

Is there anything interesting in the two French only DAV20 books?

>>98830093
i only have the dark age one
it got stats for goratrix. two bloodlines one being special snowflake invernalists with 4 disciplines who always win if you diablerize them because they have a demon shard in them and one is nosferatu but caster, 3 or so blood sorcery paths based on french celtic paganism, a few thaum and necromancy rituals, toreador and garou gargoyles, short section about all the other dark age: X splats in france and a bunch of storyhooks and characters

>>98830099
>two bloodlines one being special snowflake invernalists with 4 disciplines who always win if you diablerize them because they have a demon shard in them
Of all the things to add to the setting why would you pick that. Don't we already have a bloodline with a snowflake discipline based on having a shard of a demon/bane inside of them?

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>>98829787
>get embraced by a gangrel
>sire gets killed by some unrelated shit before he reveals himself
>carry on by yourself
>learn there is a whole society of vampires in the city
>they call you a retarded nigger for not knowing what 'elysium' and 'primogen' are

>>98830114
don't ask me i am not a onyx path writer because that's the funniest thing about the book. it was written in english -> translated to french and then never sold in english

>>98830119
it's worse than that. gangrel sires most of the time don't reveal themselves at all

gangrel are meant to ask young gangrel "how many winters" and if the gangrel doesn't know the answer (years since embrace) or the number is very low they are meant to adopt you. mind you i used "meant" twice here because by camarila law you are not protected by the traditions before you are presented to the prince and you are most likely a illegal embrace as well so a gangrel who doesn't care to adopt a kid right now can just butcher you and that is if another gangrel finds you first instead of you know the local scourge or any other supernatural really

and the entire clan looks down on you if you don't go through something like this

>>98830099
>it got stats for goratrix
I'm assuming these are for around the 1250 era or so. I wonder how he'd stack up vs Karl Schrekt.
>>98830122
That's hilarious. I'm assuming the reason is some publisher fuckery?

>>98830114
>. Don't we already have a bloodline with a snowflake discipline based on having a shard of a demon/bane inside of them?
yeah the Lhiannan atlhough the books kinda flip flop around if their spirit shard is a bane or a nature spirit

the Enfant d’Ennamaru are probably my least favorite part of the setting to be honest because the demon shard actually forces them to all be 100% evil tricksters who love to manfracture tragedies all the time and that's all they do

even baali have more depth.... and they and the black angels are also already in that book!

>>98830156
>I'm assuming these are for around the 1250 era or so. I wonder how he'd stack up vs Karl Schrekt.
very beefy especially for a 200 year old vampire but outside of thaum, which he has at 9 and he also get's all the paths and rituals the st wants him to have, shreck has him beat at most things

Clan : Tremere
Sire : –
Nature/attitude : Monstre/Individualiste
Génération : 4e
Étreinte : 1022
Âge apparent : milieu de la trentaine
Attributs : Force 4, Dextérité 4, Vigueur 4 ; Charisme 4,
Manipulation 6, Apparence 2 ; Perception 6, Intelligence 8,
Astuce 6
Capacités : Commandement 5, Empathie 2, Intimidation 5,
Intuition 6, Subterfuge 7, Vigilance 6 ; Animaux 3,
Artisanats 4, Équitation 2, Étiquette 2, Furtivité 3, Mêlée 4 ;
Érudition 7, Investigation 5, Médecine 4, Occultisme 8,
Politique 4, Sagesse populaire 6, Sénéchal 4, Théologie 2
Disciplines : Animalisme 4, Auspex 8, Domination 7, Force
d’âme 3, Occultation 2, Puissance 2, Thaumaturgie 9
Voies de Thaumaturgie : Potestas Vitae 5 et toutes celles
de votre choix
Rituels de Thaumaturgie : tous ceux de votre choix
Historiques : Alliés 4, Contacts 4, Domaine 3, Influence 4,
Ressources 4, Servants 4, Statut 4, Troupeau 1
Vertus : Conviction 3, Maîtrise de soi 4, Courage 4
Voie : Diable 5 ; Volonté : 10

>>98830175
>path of the devil
Maybe he deserved getting shoved in the mirror

>>98830183
most house goratrix vampires in the books all the way back to second edition dark age are on that path because it's the anti tyranny path (not to be confused with the road of the devil which is path of evil revelation but dark age and got retconned into the road of sin isntead) and they are secretly rebelling against tremere

>>98830188
My bad then, mixed it up with him being on the demon simp path.

>>98830193
they are still summoning demons, he himself is credited with creating spirit and demon thaum summoning spells and his friend and coterie members viorica from the same book is a earthbound thrall to the demon vasago and is on the road of screams she is just in denial about it and thinks they are having a favor for favor relationship but devil's due makes it a point that you can't have demonic arcana without being a thrall

and goratrix himself is at least on speaking terms with the french Azaneali

so the conspiracy is not presented as being demon worshippers but as people who say "infernalism is only bad if you have a skill issue" while without irony following the guy who's immortality spell skill issued so hard he turned into a vampire

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