I like primarchs personally

I don't

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Let chaos idols take this thread!

>>98831398
*mind primarchs
Sorry I hit post early

>TQ
Space Wolves and Thousand Suns

>>98831383
Eldar vs Orks. They have such an interesting dichotomy with each other.

>>98831383
I always thought Nids vs Orks was cool
Also space marines vs nids because it's classic

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>>98831383
Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong?

>TQ
Imperium (Guard+SM) vs CSM and Daemons
Or just SM vs necrons

>check the MFM
>SoB Exorcist down another 5 points each across the board
That's it. That's the only point change in any army I play or care about.
This feels like they went to an AI and told it to change something that wouldn't actually do anything to say they changed something.
We now live in a world where an Exorcist is equal in points to 20 guardsmen and a Commissar.
>check the app
>Penitent Host is now at the start of your command phase instead of the battle round
>Canoness can no longer use Divine Intervention on herself for free
>Triumph of Saint Katherine is now on the start of your turn, not the start of the battle round
I feel like they're going to remove miracle dice as a whole and give Sisters a new army rule, with the Triumph change as a "last hurrah" sort of thing. My source is my ass hair, as per usual. You could at least pay me for using my ideas, James.

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But would you like vitiligorks?

>>98831415
>theme is literally space elves on space dinos
>this is what you get

It's just so tiring. They literally took a seraphon model and just put a normal eldar on it.

>>98831415
Idk the dinos were cool I was happy with em

>>98831399
source? that one's not on the booru

>>98831415
>Now that the dust has settled
This phrase has started to annoy me after seeing it so much.
Just like "I don't make the rules."
>what went wrong
The exodites don't look like QT brown elf girl fanarts in revealing clothing. That's what went wrong.

>>98831383
I really, really like this image.

>>98831426
>They literally took a seraphon model and just put a normal eldar on it.
What else were they supposed to do???

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Been a while since I got some new lead. Might replace the power claw never liked how the 2nd ed plastic ones look.

What's a good pla printer for Warhammer minis? I've been using an old ender 3 but the quality isn't the best.

>>98831415
Box was without scenery, contained way too many more orks than exodites, and the orks weren't even new sculpts.

I'm waiting on the sauropod.

>>98831437
>minis
No, you're wasting your time.
>vehicles
Any coreXY printer. Flashforge AD5M is what I'd recommend. Don't buy Bambu anything.

>>98831433
Apparently the dinosaurs had to be weird bug things from avatar and the eldar should have been brown, naked and with bows.

>>98831447
They shouldve at least been fuckable
But yeah the dinos are cool

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>TQ
I might be basic, but I always liked Orks vs Marines for aesthetics.
Honorable mention to Guard vs any xenos, which is definitely the most interesting lore wise since you can have relatable characters.

>>98831446
>recommending an FDM printer for tabletop anything
>especially Warhammer 40k tabletop models
Anon...
Please be trolling. Or we'll have to default to you being retarded.
FDM still have annoying lines while resin printers can print models with lines that are nonexistent at best and become invisible after priming before painting at worst.

>>98831440
I really want to know the full story on the missing terrain.

>>98831446
Why is bambu bad? I've heard good things about it

>>98831415
They were mediocre at best. There were already like a half dozen 3d printable versions that were cooler months/years before they announced the models. Fuck I could just put extra guardian or dire avenger helmets on Cold one knights.

GW effectively missed their own market due to spending all their time/effort on marines.

The design could be better but GW is honestly botching their own aesthetic so often these days that mediocre or uninspired is probably mindblowing to half their audience

>>98831383
Going to post again because I just remembered Nids vs Eldar is really interesting

You have one faction that is literally on deaths door vs a swarm of mass that continues to grow and adapt.
Now for meta reasons you can't really have them fight too much without the nids losing but it's a really cool concept

>>98831459
they wanted more money so they cut corners, put unsavoury shit in the box, and raised the price, knowing people will eat it up anyway and even praise them for gracing them with long awaited exodites and 10 pages of lazy jungle terrain making tutorials that noone who will buy the box will even actually use.

>>98831415

Clanblade is kinda bad for what he does, but the rest are great. I like the models a lot. The only problem is we're going to waiting a long time for a standalone kit, which is fine my favorite recasters have them :^)

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>>98831415
>what went wrong

Remember what they took from you.

>>98831446
How am I wasting my time?
I've won plenty of matches with my printed/washed armies, I'd just like them to look a little better

>>98831469
Now we’re talking

>>98831465
You can have the eldar fight to defend maiden world and lose those instead of their craftworlds.

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>>98831451
>They shouldve at least been fuckable

>>98831451
I'm pretty sure they have some with titties and even if not you can easily find other eldar bodies that do

>>98831473
>Exodites vs Tyranids
Yes, Fuck yes, Giant bugs vs Giant Dinasours

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>>98831474
cease and desist

>>98831383
>TQ
Imperial Guard vs genestealers if were only taking into consideration of existing armies from the Warhammer store.
If not then Imperial Guard vs Heretic guard.

>>98831465

Nids vs Eldar is kino. Nids vs anyone else is kino desu. In Valedor the elves had to abandon an Avatar of Khaine on a planet (was a maiden world I think?) to the nids to the great shame of the Autarch leading the mission. They were getting overwhelmed taking huge losses and so had to bail. They return later only to find the Avatar still fighting atop a smouldering pile of dead nids hyping up all the elves. The Craftworld (Iyanden I think it's been so long) had to get help from Vect and the Harlequins to cleanse the world using an ancient super weapon and help defend the actual Craftworld, much to their consternation.

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>>98831383
>TQ
I'm not really sure who Dark Eldar fit thematically best as opponents for. My instinct is to say Black Templar but that's only for meta reasons. I guess Salamanders, White Scars, Guard, Tau, and Craftworld Eldar make the most sense.

>>98831491

Whats that model from/kitbashed? Looks like a Chaos corrupted Eldar.

>>98831456
Reading comprehension
I explicitly said no to minis, but yes to vehicles.
FDM printers play very well with boxy designs. Guess what all Imperium vehicles are? Boxy designs. Update your own knowledge base from 5+ years ago before calling other people retarded.
I literally said it's a waste of time trying to get good-looking minis (read: anything not a vehicle) on an FDM printer; I probably should have used a different catch-all term for the "not a vehicle" category, but my point stands.
>>98831460
Closed ecosystem that is very heavy-handed on trying to get you using their cloud system for files where you have no privacy or legal ownership of what you print (because Bambu makes a local copy of anything you print over their network and they're Chinese). You *can* get around this, but again they don't make it easy; path of least resistance and so on.
Also their printers are grossly overpriced and the "ease of use" argument falls apart when you realize the clones are made in the same factories or off of the same technical design (because both are made in China) and are by-and-large identical in all places where it matters.
>>98831470
>I'd just like them to look a little better
That's how you're wasting your time.
FDM printers cannot do "people" size minis very well because of the geometry required. Resin printers are better for this purpose.
You can get "decent" looking parts for vehicles on an FDM printer with minimal effort, which is why I specifically mentioned that as a caveat. If you sit and really tune your printer you can get really good parts too, but they'll need to be larger and boxier to avoid the production method's shortcomings.

>>98831498
>Reading comprehension
I said tabletop anything as in using an FDM printer at all for tabletop related stuff. It is a terrible idea to use an FDM printer when the context is about tabletop anything. Including miniatures to miniature scale vehicles.
Unironically "no you" in a context that perfectly works.
>FDM printers play very well with boxy designs.
Barely. If the design isn't boxy it begins to show issues.
>Update your own knowledge base from 5+ years ago before calling other people retarded
My shit is up to date. I'll enjoy your next floundering(s).

FDM printers are great for terrain is about the over major advantage they have over resin. You can print a bunch of cheap terrain quickly or drop down to .2 nozzle size and get some much nicer terrain, still much faster than resin, and the material is generally better for terrain too.

>>98831498
Okay, but I'm not looking for perfection, just something that looks a little better so I can slap a few colors on it and start playing

>>98831415
The dinos were sculpted by that gross queer scalie in the modeling studio and reek of furfaggotry- repulsive aura, very disrespectful.

GW also clearly repackaged them last minute with beast snaggas to clear excess stock when they were meant to be a versus box with the cadian spectres that were instead given a box with the red terror that was supposed to release with the tyranid codex. Money grabbing greedy dick move, again, disrespectful. They moved around all these different releases just to force us to buy the beast snaggas they cannot sell alone. Many completely lost interest in the box but woukd have bought for exodites vs the new guard operators.

Terrain templates instead of plastic. Lazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3irEK1igZY
New Boltgun2 trailer, looks neat

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>>98831519
>cadian recon vs exodites

>>98831415
they still haven't released the kit for some reason. even worse, it's models for one of the worst armies in the current meta that no one plays.

>>98831508
>It is a terrible idea to use an FDM printer when the context is about tabletop anything. Including miniatures to miniature scale vehicles.
Claims without evidence (even an anecdote) can be dismissed without evidence. You have not provided anything beyond "you are dumb because FDM bad for minis" despite my own anecdote saying that FDM printing CAN be used in *certain* ways.
>If the design isn't boxy it begins to show issues
Which is why I EXPLICITLY said to use it for boxy designs.
Reading comprehension
>>98831515
If you insist on using an FDM printer, a coreXY printer and a .2-.25mm nozzle printing at like 50mm/s is the best you can reasonably get. You'd still have to do a bunch of test prints to dial in your settings like retraction, feed rate and temperatures of course.
FDM printing is limited in its efficacy on miniscule details like faces, so it can only go so far with present tech, which is why I say to avoid smaller models.

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>GW nor influencers point out that tone pro contains shit people may be allergic to

>>98831415
What do you mean
It was a massive success, despite box being shit, without terrain and no 2nd Kill Team, just excess stock snaggas of whom there were more in box than Exodites
And Exodites still sold it

They were also 1 to 1 basically to old Jes concept art. Maybe too faithful even. I wanted Avatar dinos, not literal dinos

ELDAR CHADS RISE UP!

>>98831383
>TQ

Death Guard vs Tyranids

>>98831596
What, back up to our knees?

>>98831559
Maybe if they made eldar s4 so their fragile asses could actually- err S5 I forgot about the stat creeping- at S5 with S6 or S7 shuriken catapults they'd probably do okay with AP-2. Probably scale most of their other guns up too. Scatter lasers going down to S5 is a joke. They used to wound marines on 2s, now it's 4s/5s and they don't even kill the marine when it goes through.

What I actually expect is the usual 5-10% cost reduction so you can bring more shit.

>>98831588
This is all paints, Vallejo TMM gives me a rash if I get it on my skin.

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BIG
BOUNCY
BANSHEE
BUTTS

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>>98831635

>>98831588
I hate these faggots who do the "MUH EATABLE PAINTS" jokes every time a new paint line gets announced. They're the children of the lead paint chip eating retards of the 50s.

Question about Rogal Dorn who would you say his friends would be especially among his brothers? Including pre heresy.

>>98831708
Leman Russ
Roboute Guilliman
Sanguinius
Horus
Jaghatai Khan

>>98831708
leman russ

>>98831735
>>98831734
I should have been included a why or anything interesting about that friendship?

>>98831708
i dunno ask /aosg/

>>98831740
they are both tanks

>burger hours
>mahvelslop discussion commences
Like clockwork, but have you fags tried asking /hhg/?

>>98831740
They all kinda inherently knew that they were all the most loyal brothers outside of Horus obviously and trusted each other to always do the right thing so when major decisions were being made during the heresy Wars they were always talking strategy with each other. Leman did have a major disagreement with him and Malcador about staying on Terra to defend it which Russ ignore and went after Horus directly and that pissed off some of his brothers but he had good reasons.

The word "primarch" is a modern sci-fi title combining the Latin-influenced roots for "first" (primus) and "ruler" (-arch) to mean "First Ruler" or "Chief Leader."

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>>98831562
>Claims without evidence (even an anecdote) can be dismissed without evidence.
Can you please provide proofs that FDM printers can be serviceable even in the context of boxy vehicles on the chance I'm out of date on FDM?

Seeing FDM being compared to resin printing quality is usually a big red flag that someone is trolling to newcomers to waste their money, but your mention of basics like XY printer and nozzle sizes makes me think you might actually be genuine and knowing what you're talking about here.

I have a resin printer. Pic related is a model I haven't gotten around to filing for removing any missed supports yet or fixing any mistakes I may not have noticed. My issue is that I've somehow been made into some "master of 3D printing knowledge" at the LGS and people go to me for help that their prints failed. It is usually the same shit of the printer bed being misaligned or not giving the resin print the proper UV curing time.
Seeing misinfo spread (usually through repeating wrong AI answers) sets me off easily as you have seen in real time.

The model is from Anvilindustry called "Priest" from their Daughters of the Burning Rose line. The model is for 4th ED play.

>>98831757
have you tried washing your ass? it stinks!

>>98831648
permanent means permanent

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>>98831383

I don't like how every Custard list is forced to play like four squads of these ugly expensive bitches just to have enough stuff on board to actually play the game.

The current comp lists in particular are so depressing - just topknot sisters and dreadnoughts. You run as few actual custards as you can because they aren't worth the points.

>>98831784
Oh shut up

>>98831626
Don't they have allergen alerts on their bottles for these kinds of scenarios? On paper to warn others that may have allergic reactions. I think it is to dodge lawsuits.
>>98831660
>I hate these faggots who do the "MUH EATABLE PAINTS" jokes every time a new paint line gets announced.
You and me both man. It is a joke that has been repeated over and over that never had any novelty to begin with and it just repeated over and over.
There's probably some Warhammer 40k examples of this sort of pattern.

>>98831788
At least there are SoS on the board. Most under-supported part of the Emperor's guard. They got shafted for like 3 editions straight. Even GW forgot they exist and shat out female custodes a while back.

>>98831793
means permanent

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>>98831781
Uh oh baby having a stinky melty

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observe my haemonculus so far. do u like her. be nice she just had her skull lengthened

>>98831757
You dont have to hang out in 40kg if so many aspects of 40k piss you off

>>98831825
Head positioning is somewhat off methinks
It makes the cervical spine appear unnaturally folded
No biggie though the model looks cool

>>98831835
>haemonculus
>...appear unnaturally...
a success, surely

>>98831788
Blame GW for not including them in the refresh lmao
>“No plans”

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>>98831825
Jeez look at those tiddies!

>>98831827
Yeah right because discussing a primarch's heresy era buddies is sure 40K, also permanent

>>98831835
she's a single-piece metal casting and I didnt want to hobbysaw her head off

>>98831842
This cope that primarchs arent relevant or are off topic is so retarded dude lol if you dont like them just shut up when they come up
Talk about tabletop rules or whatever gay shit gets you off

>TQ
CSM vs Xenos. It's kinda a given on why they're fighting the Imperium, but I like to imagine fun scenarios or stories when they come across different Xenos factions.

>>98831827
>aspects of 40k
>look inside
>actually it's 30k
Permanent.

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idk the story I just think the pictures are pretty

>>98831854
It gives the mutant a safe haven and community, he's always right there in primarchslop talk. I just don't get why you can't take it to /hhg/, thread's right there and the mutie refuses to use it so

>>98831862
>um ackshually the ork/SM battle you’re referring to happened in solar year 40,001/39,999 so its off topic
Shut up retard lmfao
Primarchs and the Emperor and all that stupid shit are 40k if you dont like it you can talk about other shit
Post your models or something

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>>98831827
You dont have to hang out in 40kg if the only stuff you like is from a different setting and game altogether

But more importantly you shouldn't hang out in 40kg if so many anons and mods hate you and banned you over and over

>>98831773
>Seeing FDM being compared to resin printing quality
Where did I do that?
I have never said the detail quality will be comparable; in fact I've said the opposite of that during this entire conversation, both with you and the original anon. Anon specifically wanted an FDM printer for 40k and wanted better visual quality than what he has on a bedslinger, so I tried to steer that from the get-go with saying he'd be wasting his time trying with the sole caveat of boxy vehicles as one of the only things where FDM printing's shortcomings can be worked around.
I think you think I'm making an argument that I'm not making and have never made. I started my argument by saying that resin is better for fine details, and that you *can* get away with it on certain things that don't stress the medium's limitations.

>provide proofs
I'm currently doing a bit of a test for a few pieces for a Leman Russ to make 2 tanks out of 1 kit (the hull bottom, track assemblies, and the hull gun mount are all you need beyond the box's contents). The right track is on my printer right now, so I'll have photos to compare (probably) tomorrow to see how it goes.
I've also printed models of WW2 vehicles at scale for Bolt Action, they look the part next to injection-moulded ones with any issues like top surfaces being resolved by prime+paint or tamiya putty. The layer lines on sloped surfaces work really well there too to make the models look like they have a zimmerit coating for German vehicles, which is good because that's what I play.

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>>98831871
Theres no reason to take it to hhg its the 40k thread primarch discussion is normal here
Your constant feet-stomping tantrums about it will only encourage it you know? Just to piss you off on purpose

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>>98831872
>um ackshually the warp connects it with all other universes and timelines so my little ponies are on topic
Permanent means permanent.

>>98831842
>>98831862
>>98831876
That’s not me ffs will you people stop this shit? I’m here! I’m one of you! It’s over so knock it off!

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>>98831825
>do u like her
No

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>>98831876
nigga said primarchs arent 40k while my boy guilliman is actively counting beans as we speak

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>>98831881
>Theres no reason to take it to hhg
the reason is that it's a HH topic
>its the 40k thread
which isn't the HH thread
>primarch discussion is normal here
no, it isn't, which is why you have to samefag it and repost it despite the mods banning you for it already

>>98831891
I dont think thats true brother
And youve gone from primarchs to mlp how intellectually dishonest can you be lol

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>>98831904
KUBOOOOOO

>>98831905
It is you can get upset though if you want its pretty funny watching you try to like be a hall monitor about primarchs lmfao
I think Horus’s armor was pretty cool looking

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>>98831913
Second to last.

How many Boyz does a Ork army usually want? I got 20 from the Armageddon box.

>>98831803
>Don't they have allergen alerts on their bottles for these kinds of scenarios?

You are correctly actually, very small print on the same, same with some of the Army Painter ones.

>>98831878
>Where did I do that?
You probably didn't and I assumed it was another case of misinfo trolling.
Anyway I'm sorry I blew my lid and threw a passive aggressive fit here. Like I said misinfo 3D printing (especially stuff I like too) repeated intentionally or not sets me off easily.
>that spoiler
Is that an actual "mistake into miracles" but technologically related? I can imagine historicalfags going nuts over that for rivet counting tier accuracy for their models.

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>>98831919

>>98831897
why

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>>98831929
Oh right and this. Maybe it explains the scene but I ain't reading so whatever

>>98831900
Don't forget Lion running around doing irrelevant sidequest.

>>98831931
Drukhari are stinky and ugly, and homunculi are the stinkiest and ugliest

>>98831919 (can't reply to all as system would think it is spam)
Is this a Warhammer 40k fan work or official GW stuff like Marvel comics publishing? If fan work then the artist did a good job. If not and is Marvel with the GW license I would say it is alright.

>>98831912
>how intellectually dishonest can you be lol
exactly as much as >>98831872
You don't belong

>>98831929
damn this is some cringe shit

>>98831935
Honestly, the Lion trying to find and redeem The Fallen in his legion instantly makes him the most interesting Primarchs. Almost makes me want to play Dark Angels. Unfortunately they are still worse at being knights than Black Templars and worse at being angels than Blood Angels so I will continue to use Templars and Blood Angels mixed together.

>>98831955
kek

>>98831945
No you’re acting like a goofball anom
You gotta snap back to reality
You’re practically out of your gourd at this point
We just wanted to shoot the shit about primarchs a bit there’s no reason to get all jimmy rustled about it
Like Sanguineous for instance
He’s pretty neat

>>98831935
HOLY FUCK ROBOUTE THE 10 ASCENDANT VENOMSTONES AREN'T GOING TO DELIVER THEMSELVES TO SILVERMOON

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>>98831925
All good
I try my best to be reasonable and good-faith in what I say, but "anonymous imageboard, etc." so it's hard to know if you're even talking to the same person between replies. I've bitten my fair share of bait over the years, so I understand the initial reaction.
>mistake into miracles
I'd consider it a pleasant coincidence more than anything. Both are just "horizontal lines on a sloped surface," so obviously one will resemble the other, especially at scale.

>>98831962
Seconding Sanguinius being neat

>>98831979
Thirding Sanguinius being a beast

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>>98831891
>that greentext
Don't even joke about it, partner. GW could use that aspect as an excuse for licensed crossovers beyond HH/WH40k (if you believe they're separate settings) and WFB/AOS with 40k.
Don't even joke about it. Also Warhammer 40k fans are now the horse cartoon fans of today. You could probably look up any sci-fi video on Youtube with something loosely "connectable" to 40k and there will be comments mentioning it.
I remember a Star Wars "Solo" movie comment section about Han on Mimban as a soldier and people were mentioning 40k because of that scene.

Probably not as annoying and unavoidable as back when looking up any fictional character image would have a horse redrawing. But the 40k online fanboys are getting there.

battleforce doko?

>>98831399
>ratpedo got ritual sniped
Ho Lee ZASED

>>98831788
welcome to hyper competitive gaming in the age of information. the only things worth playing are super hammers and dirt cheap action monkeys.

I'm sorry I'm being retarded, but why does GW keeps pushing erratas for custodes if they are going to get new codex in 3 days? Are these going to still apply?

>>98832005
Why? You're not gonna buy any of them. GW only used them to move low selling stock.

>>98832020
that's where you're wrong kiddo. I buy a FOMO box every time they release a set of them. I am GW's strongest paypig. give me another Space Marine FOMO box. I am ready.

>>98832015
GW probably doesn't do any playtesting. Or their playtesters are more biased than they should be (as everyone is biased on anything) so stupid goofs slip through and last minute changes have to be made. But books are analogue and not digital so they can't be updated in a digital sense so downloadable erratas are pushed out.
>Are these going to still apply?
Probably not. Those inks and papers cost money and GW wants them sold to get their money back.

Am I stupid for playing vanilla marines and not picking a chapter with extra rules or their must have characters/units?

>>98831708
>>98831734
>>98831735
I dunno ask /hhg/

>>98832028
No you're not stupid. Sometimes it is best to just have a generalist army that is jack of all trades and master of none to the extent it can be.
Especially when it is for casual games. I haven't ever played a tournament game. So I don't know what that scene is like. Especially when there is prize money involved.

>>98832028
Yea go one of the main chapters, it’s way more fun to see updates on their lore from GW and play with the heroes on the board.

>>98832030
hes still going lmao
your precious thread has primarchs in it noooo nooo plz nooo stop
Horus noooo

>>98832028
depends what you want. casual games it will be fine. if you want to podium at a tournament, GW clearly didn't think how the different keywords would work with supplement chapters.

>>98832028
Rules-wise Vanilla Marines have always been the best performing on average. For much of 10th the best way to play Templars was to play them strikingly close to Vanilla Marines. The other Marines are there if you like their special units for other reasons relating to lore and aesthetics.

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>98832048
It's amazing how worked up 4 little words gets you

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Just did a live interview and came to the realization when looking at my own face that I’m the picture image of a chud. I have the chin and everything.
What army do I get for this feel.

>>98832077
Get on topic please
>>98831973
Just you wait until the 12 boar meat he collected and the 10 lazy peons he corrected comes in handy

>>98832081
Iron warriors

The new Eldar codex cannot come soon enough.

>>98832087
You mean tau

>>98832087
>soon
2028. wouldn't want a repeat of early 10th with the wraithknights.

>>98832081
This >>98832085
but loyalist Donut Steel.

>>98832100
Aren’t those iron hands

Are the Krieg and Cadian heavy weapons teams allowed to be fielded in the same guard army regardless of whether someone chooses Cadian rules or Krieg rules?
I am still operating on "Krieg, Catachan or Cadians" choices that were in 10th if I recall correctly.

>>98832087
Incorrect Eldar should be permanently stuck in the dumpster where they belong

if all water on terra during unification wars was gone how did people even survive that shit?

>>98832100
>loyalist donut steel
It is always the Iron Warriors when it comes to Loyalists of traitor legion geneseed. I always found that a recurring pattern. I think there is something about the Iron Warriors that just draws in that crowd beyond having big numbers of loyalists in the HH.
>>98832102
On paper probably. Personally I think having loyalist IW using Imperial Fists rules is better.
For IRONic reasons.

>>98832104
>chooses Cadian rules or Krieg rules
You don't do that any more. The 10e Cadian, Catachan and Krieg units are all just units that can be run in the same army under whichever detachments you like.

>>98832104
You are allowed to run all 3 simultaneously
The only limit is the 3 per data sheet; each have their own datasheet.
You can run Catachan HWS alongside Cadian battleline alongside Krieg artillery pieces and Attilan cavalry.

>>98832120
>>98832123
Thanks anons!
Do we have any knowledge on when the ratling snipers are coming back to the Imperial Guard as sniper units? I like the idea of having ogryns and ratlings in my army.
I'm also on the search for good ratling proxies alongside ogryn proxies in STL form. Some may be differently designed, but I ponder the idea of whether they'll still work if painted in the same color scheme.

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>>98832131
Ratling snipers got a Kill Team release around the start of last year, as is sometimes the case for more niche models. They're in the Codex.
You should really just check Waha.

>>98832150
I fucking hate these guys lol

>>98832102
No, different legion entirely.

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>>98832075

>>98832102
easy misconception due to name, biotics practice (IW are still CSM and not renegade, suck it), machinery focus on the field and both being bitter as fuck usually

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>>98832155
Plenty of proxies to be found.

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>>98832100
Marine chapter called Ferrous Fighters it is then.

>>98832114
DAoT water reclaimation tech and cannibalism.

>>98832155
of course you do, every guardfag actually hates any and all unique elements of the guard

>>98832114
You don't need water in the ocean if you've got water in the people.

>>98832118
Autistic focus and muh practical war of attrition but good guys is appealing to many.
Easier to paint than Fists.

>>98832150
>Ratling snipers got a Kill Team release
That's why I thought they were coming back or already back soon hopefully.
>You should really just check Waha
I thought that site got taken down by GW. How is it still up?

>>98832184
theyre just ugly dont get all in your feelings about it

>>98832202
>That's why I thought they were coming back or already back soon hopefully.
They've been back since they released; Kill Team units get 40k rules immediately. Leads to the situation where Eldar WAACfags are reliant on a unit that's still only sold in a combo box with Orks.
>I thought that site got taken down by GW. How is it still up?
Can't copyright rules and, even if you could, how much does Roskomnadzor care about enforcing Bong copyright?

>>98832118
Iron warriors had the most to gain by staying loyal, not because they'd be treated better under the imperium, but because they couldn't be treated any worse

>>98832178
>steel soldiers
>magnetic marines
>rust rumblers

Are aircraft going to be any better this edition or will they still be shit

>>98832235
are space dragons aircraft

>>98832235
Idk but im concerned about it. I love the aircraft models we have, but they're getting older and I'm afraid GW is gonna discontinue them soon. Im trying to save up to buy a wazbomb blastajet before we lose it

>>98832235
hard to tell. Orks got a whole detachment dedicated to aircraft while Space Marines got all of theirs sent to legends and the Custodes big aircraft are still in the MFM.

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>>98832250
Same but with pic related

>>98831415
Not vs Catachans

>>98831708
Malcador

>>98832217
>Can't copyright rules and, even if you could, how much does Roskomnadzor care about enforcing Bong copyright?
Man is an absolute treasure to the Warhammer 40k community. Bless him.
Time for me to go hunting for Ratling STLs.

Give us the space marine planes back...

>>98832283
Read that as leman russ, whoops.
Uhh idk that one admiral dorn was close with during the siege. Can't remember her name.

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is 70% win rate too good? Should deathwatch terminators be nerfed?

>posted this in the old thread after it died so I’m reposting here

As a mono god demon player we are already limited to having no more than 12 datasheets

Knights are cool and belakors detachment can ally csm which is also cool

but I miss having generic spawn/furies to convert and throw around

I’m currently making a 3k Tzeentch demon army for Horus Heresy and the kitbashing/converting I have been doing to create my units has been the most fun I’ve had in the hobby for a while

>>98832347
>sample size
lmao

>>98832369
583 space marine tournament games at 53.3 win rate
58 of those games played with deathwatch/terminator detachments had 70% win rate
john lennon and the other faggots are using it, should it be nerfed?

>>98832386
He's still alive?

>>98832386
idk, ask /hhg/

>>98832293
don't worry, you'll get the new(tm) Primaris (tm) Infractor(tm) strike fighter and new(tm) Primaris(tm) Interdictor(tm) air superiority fighter dual kit that will be $100. each datasheet is two datasheets long just for the guns (2x twin linked heavy stubborn mandatory), and a new rule that let's it ignore aircraft movement rules because of course it will.

>>98832226
>magnetite marauders
>stainless sentinels
>galvanized guardians

>>98832392
Will you shut up

>>98832268
I still don't get why they decided to send the fire raptor to legends. Was it too good? Or just because it was a forge world model and therefore they didn't want to deal with it anymore?

>>98832396
will you stop caring about esports retardation "balance" for a simple wargame?

Any good Chinese recasters apart from WTG? They don’t have what I’m looking for and rather not deal with the hurdles of Russian recasters.

>>98832402
Are you genuinely a fucking idiot

>>98832410
I know you are, but what am I?

>>98832408
BLM is Ukrainian and does good stuff (as long as its actually casted, not printed)

>>98832386
>40 or so wins out of like 60 games
Idk nigga tf?

Am I crazy if I burn 200 bucks on a good condition RT Land raider?

>>98832427
na that is about what they go for now, collectors have really ruined the market

>>98831788
I'm currently 3-0 running either a mix of guard and dreadnoughts in [Shield Host]/Honored Companions/Might of the Moritoi or a full "spam" list in [Shield Host]/Honored Companions/Lions of the Emperor, neither of which are running any SoS because I don't own any
Sure you won't be able to go full compfag without them but guard aren't so overcosted compared to the rest of the game (besides SM and Orks) that they're unplayable, if you aren't buttfuck retarded you can still do well with them

>>98831415
I got 1 of these boxes, you need at least 3 for all the characters and the units. GW kind of sold this box barebones, lacking an Ork Kill Team Squigga Wigga Riderino elites the normal Kill Team big box shenanigans of buying and selling the team you don't want or splitting it did not work. The hardcover bookis nice I guess. After 3 months I'm still trying to make the plasticard terrain 'work' but some of it can't be replicated according to what they've got on the box.

The art they've got there shows a large pyramid that has no directions in the book. "Just build it yourself!". If the cost of the book is a big factor in the box because it's hardcover, I expect them to cover all the possible combos you would possibly build.

It will be months before GW just releases the kill team as its own box and it will cost like 79 bucks because their pricing is out of control.

I am thankful kill team armageddon has terrain but I note it lacks a bunch of ork boyz as npos, which makes me think GW is once again doing a "remove content, charge 5% more" scam.

>>98832480
$80 for a kill team doesnt seem that bad

>>98831415
I should mention I had bought a lot of Cold Ones from warhammer fantasy a few months before this came out to kitbash exoknights so I'm just gonna use the bits leftover in the box+wood elves glade riders+cold ones to make exodites.

Waiting for the "bigger release" in spring 2028 with the stegadon and pteradactyl and exodite lord on carnosaur.

>>98832420
I’ll try them out. It’s too obnoxious dealing with Russian recasters due to the war. I’ve had great recasts from WTG, but they don’t have everything I’m looking for.

>>98831519
also the thing that annoys me, if the terrain had raised the price of the box I wouldn't care, if the book was like "you can make more" I wouldn't care, but the wombo combo of there being NO terrain sprue, when they clearly have a sprue (and thus, a mold, that goes unused) means it's not ever going to be released at all in any fashion. So not only did they move these releases around, they cut corners to get it to production.

There is also a small add for more beast snaggas at the very back of the book- the snagga boss. "plz buy".

>>98832486
kill teams were like 65 average in 2023.

>>98832393
You cant trademark the word "new", retard.

>>98832433
>>98832427
RARE
OOP
MINT
NIB
1989
*flashes the box on screen*
Starting bids at 200, this is really a great deal- could be worth as much as 2000 in a few years!

>>98832514
Meh dollars dont go as far as they used to

>>98832520
>I knerw what I gots.

>>98832514
65 dollars in 2023 is like 100 dollars now

>>98832514
If you want to buy the Blooded Killteam right now you're paying $113 and you still don't get the upgrade sprue.
Yes it's "out of KT rotation" but the price is still what it is. Other KTs haven't nearly doubled in price after leaving rotation.
And for what it's worth, the Krieg KT is $55 now (a price decrease), but you also lost the upgrade sprue.
All numbers are GW prices.

>>98832535
Its closer to like $75 but yeah

>>98832530
>so much money is pouring into this market now, I heard a rare oop L2 space marine sold for 10,000!

>>98832516
"neuw"(tm)

>>98832516
>100
100 just for the jet
if you want the weapons you need to spend another 50 on the upgrade sprue.

Dont you guys want GW to succeed?
They finally have a real opportunity for serious mainstream success with normies and now you want them to just give their product away for less than it’s worth?

>>98832576
>Dont you guys want GW to succeed?
no

>>98832420
I thought Black Lives Matter was from America

>>98832576
I think they would likely succeed more by having less of their potential target demographic either locked out entirely or moving to pirates

Then again, no one can read minds so it is hard to tell.

>>98832591
You're thinking of the Bureau of Land Management, which is part of the US Federal Government.

>>98832592
What do you mean locked out?

>>98832582
Then your opinion is poisoned and GW recognizes that and disregards it in their decisionmaking

>>98832603
But what is the Bureau of Land Management doing recasting miniatures??

>>98832576
I stan GW
I’m excited to see 40k hit the mainstream after all these years
It’s practically all I’ve ever wanted
Now I can finally share this hobby I’ve enjoyed for practically my entire life with all of the new aspiring hobbyist and enthusiasts out there
And if I have to pay a few extra bucks to help GW make that happen, then I will do so enthusiastically

>>98832399
a lot of forge world stuff is getting sent to legends. i don't know why all of it hasn't yet.

>>98832173
>artel w
>"to be found"
Anon, I...

>>98832607
NTA but being unable to afford the high prices
GW sells luxury goods (luxury meaning "not essential to life", ie "voluntary purchase"), so they don't have guaranteed sales like they would if they sold foodstuffs and therefore have to actually consider the value proposition of their products vs. their competitors. "Their competitors" are not just other tabletop games, it's all other forms of entertainment; video games, movies, TCGs, and so on. GW's prices are on the upper end of all entertainment mediums, especially when you consider the ROI on fun/dollar. A movie can be watched over and over forever any time you want (assuming you have a copy instead of a digital license), but those space marines can only be built once and might get sent to legends 3 years from now.
>>98832633
Don't ask questions you fear the answer to.

>>98832576
I want this company to crash and burn like you wouldn't believe

>>98832652
But everything they put out is sold out immediately so clearly their pricing model is functional and operating according to their calculations

>>98832640
This
Their recent sculpts have been some of the best I’ve seen in my entire modeling career so it makes sense they would cost a bit more

>using a bunch of spare bolt pistols and chainswords to build my armageddon intercessors as assault intercessors
kinda annoying, but I can't ever see myself using normal ones.

>>98832655
Thing sold =/= the originally intended buyer bought it
For example, scalpers are people outside of the space (or at least outside the target audience) who usually have more capital to play with than the intended end consumer, and thus will pay a higher price than the intended end consumer, because these scalpers then turn around and resell at a higher price that they themselves caused by artificially limiting supply. Basic economics with a supply/demand graph.

Or on the other hand, just because some people are not willing to pay $72 for 10 Ratlings, doesn't mean there isn't someone else willing to pay that price. GW is fine with pricing out consumers because they think they can simply replace the priced-out customer with consumers who are willing to spend more money. Brand loyalty and consumer goodwill are not ideas that GW believes in, they operate on a high-turnover churn system.

It's worked to a degree, but cracks have also begun to show in a few different ways like the Armageddon box still being available at many 3rd-party vendors (online or otherwise) and many exclusive or FOMO models still sitting on shelves or in inventory.
Just because GW is sold out of something doesn't mean there are no problems, GW isn't the only seller of their products.

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Trying to come up with a color scheme for a blood angels successor. How does this look? Left would be a normal Marine, right is for veterans and command

>>98832655

Depends what sold out means. GW sends most of its production out to third parties, they don't really want to have that much stock on their own balance sheets, so GW itself always being sold out isn't an indication of anything. Secondly, how many kits are they actually making? If they make 100 boxes then if course it'll all sell out. If they make 1000, then maybe not, and then they'll have unsold stock on their books which doesn't look good in quarterly reports. Their business model is artificial scarcity. How long has everyone been waiting for a stand alone Red Terror or Exodites, or other KT kit? Those limited boxes make lgss and GW a lot of money. You don't think they aren't buying the boxes from themselves and then scalping them? Or just skipping that step and selling above MSRP?

>>98832704
You're using 3 bright colors, try a darker red or a more "pure gold" color vs that more "brass" one you used.

>>98832704
They look like firemen or EMT

>>98832704
looks good to me. but most color schemes have multiple helmet colors and the shoulder pad colors are usually also different between units.

>>98832690
Scalping working means people will pay even more than MSRP for the thing so again GW has it all figured out
If a customer isnt willing to pay they arent worth worrying about
I will continues to support GW because I actually like 40k

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>>98832576
I want GW to succeed. I have serious doubts about if GW wants GW to succeed.

>Saw a ton of ebay listings from a landlord individually selling all the warhammer possessions from someone who abandonded the property
Very sad

>>98832704
Looks good to me.
As a side note I cannot wait for DoW 4 to come out for the army customizer and ability to test color schemes

hey fellas I'm new here, how do I upvote?

>>98832724
>because I actually like 40k
no true Scotsman
I'm done replying to you

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>>98832711
Good advice. I tried a darker red, like Flesh Tearers, looks better. I can't get a good gold tone with the tool, it's not supposed to be brass, but pure gold.

>>98832715
Yeah I'm fine with just a few options for helmets and shoulders. These are supposed to go with my White Scars if I'm in the mood for Blood Angels. So most will be Death Company or Sang Guard anyway.

>>98832746
Thats fine you dont even know what youre talking about so theres nothing to even talk about

>>98832576
Can you provide some examples of achieving mainstream success with normies being a good thing in the long run?

>>98832704
Nice Blood Ravens, bro

>>98832752
What does “good thing in the long run” even mean?
Such a stupid argument

>>98832747
It's all basic color theory at the end of the day. Generally you want 2 of your colors to have contrast, and then your third to complement both. White complements everything but black, but constrasts darker shades of everything as well. Gold complements all shades of red. You just need to go for a darker red to get contrast with white, the gold then works well.

Pure gold has more of an orange hue to it than yellow, so that then would blend oddly with a bright red as well. Maybe a splash of a darker color beyond the red (not necessarily black, but maybe do a darker gray or medium blue for your pauldron emblems?) to give more contrast. That shade of red with gold trim, white pauldrons and gray emblems would look very clean.
Not being on a pure white background will also help with the overall design's feel, fwiw.

>>98832771
That the IP doesn't get ruined by desperate attempts to capitalise on it by reinventing it or twisting it to appeal to different audiences who won't actually care about it

>>98832775
Thanks for the advice. The shoulder symbols are planned to be black, so that fits. Not sure what do do about the knees yet, as Blood Angels do like to show their squad number on there (just as my White Scars)

>>98832782
“IP getting ruined” doesnt mean anything other than you like it less
I’ve like 40k for decades and I like the direction its moving in now too
You just like what it used to be and want it to just stay there forever

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>>98832752

So what's the pedo shitting the thread up with today?

First 11th game tomorrow,
what are the most important changes compared to 10th that I should keep in mind?

>>98832809
>The death knell of the MCU
>Good

>>98832810
Are you projecting again nomodels?

>>98832790
I'd go white on the knees themselves and then either red or black for the squad number, depending on which you like the look of more (I think black personally). The white would help get more contrast on the lower body to help tie the whole thing together as one instead of "head and torso on top of unfinished legs."
Another thing to consider is making the belt buckle face (the circle on it) white to help break up the monotone red from the waist down too.

Not needed at all, but if you really want to have a visual "pop," go for a bright "plasma blue" for the helmet lenses.

>>98832812
Look up the "hidden" keyword. Thats about it.

The death cult assassin in that inquisitorial agents kill team box being a dude was a very deliberate (and wrong) choice by GW

>>98832810
Non-modeler detected. Maybe try talking about warhammer 40k instead of talking about pedophiles. Here let me help you: what Warhammer 40k army do you play and what colors did you paint them?

>>98832812
terrain footprints and visibility
hidden
leaders and supports
counteroffensive as strat (if your op somehow blunders the unit activation order on charge)
changes to crushing impact and overwatch

roughly in this order

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>>98831383
>Buy half of Armageddon box on ebay for the Space Marines
>Seller forgets the land speeder
Do I be a dick anon and tell ebay I didnt receive it to fuck him over or email him directly and be good

>>98832824
Agreed. I didnt buy that box for that same reason. I voted with my wallet

>>98832836
You message the seller first and demand it promptly or you will seek action against him

>>98832836
Email him first. If he's a good dude then it will be faster than going through ebay. If he doesn't follow through then do a chargeback through your bank and go through eBay.

>>98832805
>“IP getting ruined” doesnt mean anything other than you like it less
I like it for very good reasons, and if I stop liking it it's because what makes 40k good and what it is gets betrayed

you sound like you're defending change for change's sake regardless of whether it's good or not for the setting as long as it's good for gw's stakeholders, but those interests aren't identical, you can't assume any change that brings in money, or is done in the hope it brings money, is good, because it isn't, there are things that are good and bring money, things that are bad and bring money, and things that are good but don't bring money as well as things that are bad and don't bring money

if you protest this much it's because you just know that the race to make shit popular is one that ruins IPs more often than not

>>98832809
permanent means permanent

>>98832812
Deep strike is 8", engagement rage is 2", charge distance needs to reach base. Charge targets are now chosen after rolling.

Cover is now -1 BS.

>>98832832
>leaders and supports
What changed?

Wow, he's really angry today, what did you guys do?

>>98832857
leaders always get their leading buffs even after their unit got iced, supports have to start attached

>>98832865
So support is a new keyword?

>>98832848
>you sound like you're defending change for change's sake
Maybe he's a tzeench player

>>98832856
8" deepstrike but 9" charge is stupid.

>>98832871
>Nobody knows what you’re talking about
Stop trying to speak for everyone you freak

really wish GW would have shown off the Christmas boxes this week. I need to play future marine paypigging.

>>98832870
Some leaders are now supports, you can have one leader and one support. E.g space marine captain and ancient on the same unit

Is Suncrushers anon still around?

>>98832884
LTs getting changed to supports from leaders was really sad.

>>98832771
>ummmm what does this unambiguous concept even mean brooooo

>>98832752
Harry Potter, Star Wars, Marvel, Game of Thrones, Dark Souls, etc. The list goes on...

>>98832878
I will if It accurately portrays the consensus of the general

>>98832898
Pokémon Yugioh

>>98832848
Or some people are just fine with change and like what GW is doing.

>>98832848
No man the changes are good
I’m excited to share my hobby with all the new people who are discovering 40k now that its becoming better and more palatable to larger audiences

>>98832898
'Line go up brrr' doesn't mean a franchise is good anon.
If you start seeing space marines on the side of NASCAR vehicles then warhammer is well and truly fucked.

>>98832897
nta but “good” is an inherently ambiguous concept

>>98832832
>if your op somehow blunders the unit activation order on charge
How do you mean