The gravity of the situation EditionPrevious thread:>>98827541>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/bVNzwe2R>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: All graviton Reaver titan loadout, or all volkite reaver titan loadout?
>TQWhich would be easier to paint?
>>98847818>TQBoth, plus conversion. I love my esoteric reaver.
>>98847818give 28mm reavers plasma and volkite guns you cowards
>>98847873Remember when Warlords could pack 4 vortex missiles? Do you? Do you really?
>>98847873Best i can do is 28mm Warhound volkite
Are you lame if your favored titan legion is the one associated with your space marine legion, or are you based for conforming to <Your Dudes>?
Vortex missiles!
>>98847907>Are you lame if you pick a titan legion you personally love.No you are based for running what you think is cool.
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>>98847995Reasonably sized chainaxes? Ridiculous.
Titanicus occupied thread.
>>98847995How easy was it to get the helmet to fit? Did you need to cut?
>>98847998Johnny stole the biggest fucking backpack he could find, huh?
>>98847998Looks so bad.
>>98848166Just added a little ball of greenstuff in there.>>98848230Sure, they stick out like a sore thumb with their anorexia, but its always good to know where the good stuff originated from. Wish the OG marines werent so fucking expensive, id collect them all....there was a guy who had a one-off prototype "Space Marine with flying V guitar" that I would have KILLED to have, but it sold for $500....
>>98848245One day I'll get around assembling my Shadowsword with a speaker system and the commander rocking on top with a guitar.
>>98848245Surely someone has made 3d designs to print of the OG marines which are cheaper than buying the metal ones?
>>98848297>surely someone has made copies of the Mona Lisa which are cheaper than buying the original? Retards like you belong on a cross. Ever realize that sometimes the authenticity is the point?
>>98848326Nah, I agree with him somewhat, as much as I WANT to collect all the OG figures, ill HAPPILY take resin prints/recasts of them, as I fucking HATE working with metal. Pinning this guys (>>98847998) foot to the base ground my shitty cheap little vise drill bit down pretty badly.....forgot how much of a bitch drilling pewter is.And as far as what places sell recasts of the OG marines, ive seen quite a few on black market miniatures site, but no where near ALL of them sadly....other than that, I havent seen anyone else doing them, which sucks, theres bound to be other collectors who would happily buy them.
>>98848245>>98848282I LOVE that the headstock on the guitar is a chainblade. Definitely need to remember that for my noise marines....
>>98848326Miniatures are not high art like Mona Lisa, you absolute faggot.
>>98848348They are for SOME people. I sold several of my OG forgeworld kits for RETARD amounts of money and then was able to replace them with 1/1 replicas from recasters for pennies on the dollar. Sold a three pack of arkurian baneblades for like $1500 total, they sold out literally within MINUTES of posting them on ebay. Some people are sticklers for them being "legit".
>>98848344Chain bayonet could work as a replacement piece.
>>98848355yeah, its DEFINITELY the right shave for a flying v style guitars headstock....wish I was good with plasticard, ive tried to make marine scale guitars before for noise marine related projects and they always come out looking extra shitty. As someone who owns way more music instruments than any one living person should, making it any less than perfect is unacceptable...
>>98848326Do you want it for the looks or for the value?
>>98848360Spellcrow makes a set of three guitars with arms. Also speaker backpacks.
NTA, I'd buy a few GW Originals for the satisfaction of it, but probably the vast majority of my stuff will have to be 3rd party.Or maybe I should get a whole ass 3d printer, seeing how Solar Auxilia calls me like the green goblin mask
do we have the page for the keeper of secrets leaked yet? just wanna see its stats
>>98848485I have this with land raiders, I think I own over 50 right now, and I just want to have more. Some like the Ares or Terminus Ultra I didn't even assembl. I think it comes from the fact that as a kid I always wanted to have one, but a single Land Raider cost almost my moms monthly salary. So now at 48, buying one just makes me feel happy. I don't even play with them or check their rules. :edit: I checked I have exactly 45 land raiders.
>>98848709Bruh
>>98848709You can't just say that and not show us your walk in land raider closet.
>>98848662no the secrets are kept
>>98848709>:edit: I checked I have exactly 45 land raiders.wtf post pic
>>98848351Still nothing compared to the value of actual OG art.
>>98849040Who's his waifu?
>>98849047Fuck his waifu, who are the speed forcing pair of marines pulling up the rear?
>>98849064h-he's fast
Rate my 1ksons>Crusade Detachment (Thousand Sons) - 680 pts>Tartaros Centurion w/ Corvidae, Thunder Hammer, Combi-Bolter - 120 pts>10 man Tartaros Siege Squad w/ Corvidae, Chainfists, Reaper Autocannons (Logistical Benefit) - 560 pts>Tactical Support Detachment (Thousand Sons) - 660 pts>10 man Heavy Support Squad w/ Corvidae, Augury Scanner, Nuncio-Vox, Autocannons - 330 pts>10 man Heavy Support Squad w/ Corvidae, Augury Scanner, Nuncio-Vox, Autocannons - 330 pts>Tactical Support Detachment (Thousand Sons) - 660 pts>10 man Heavy Support Squad w/ Corvidae, Augury Scanner, Nuncio-Vox, Autocannons - 330 pts>10 man Heavy Support Squad w/ Corvidae, Augury Scanner, Nuncio-Vox, Autocannons - 330 pts>Allied Detachment (Prosperine Spireguard - Fateweaver Cohort) - 230 pts>10 man Line Command Section w/ Auxilia Vexilla, Command Vox - 115 pts>10 man Line Command Section w/ Auxilia Vexilla, Command Vox - 115 pts>Infantry Tercio (Prosperine Spireguard - Fateweaver Cohort) - 385 pts>20 man Lasrifle Section w/ Auxilia Vexilla, Vox Interlock - 100 pts>20 man Lasrifle Section w/ Auxilia Vexilla, Vox Interlock - 100 pts>Dracosan w/ Demolisher Cannon, Multi-Laser - 185 pts>Infantry Tercio (Prosperine Spireguard - Fateweaver Cohort) - 385 pts>20 man Lasrifle Section w/ Auxilia Vexilla, Vox Interlock - 100 pts>20 man Lasrifle Section w/ Auxilia Vexilla, Vox Interlock - 100 pts>Dracosan w/ Demolisher Cannon, Multi-Laser - 185 pts
>>98849171>Corvidae Autocannon HSS spam
>>98849171I counter with>Crusade Detachment - 1 470 pts>4 Discipline Masters w/ Power Fists - 180 pts>3 Discipline Masters w/ Power Fists - 135 pts>3 Discipline Masters w/ Power Fists - 135 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>Tactical Support Detachment - 510 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>Tactical Support Detachment - 510 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>Tactical Support Detachment - 510 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 pts>50 man Levy Troop w/ Bayonets, Militia Vexilla and Militia Vox - 255 ptsRather than being 150% or so more effective than regular Autocannons like they are against MEQs/TEQs, your Corvidae are now only 10% more effective and that's not going to magically let them chew through 500 levies in 4 turns. A single squad is killing an average of 18 or so each turn and 30 at most.Also I can use Unending Horde to let them respawn
>>98849040Since when did the 1K sons have Sandevistan?
>>98849171I bring some predators/literally any tanks and watch you cry I guess. Also you have literally zero benefit from the fateweaver cohort because you lack any command models (the subtype) or psykers, and therefore dont get the ability to make use of convocators and the good psychic powers. You want to take a tactical vets davinite priest and a tactical vets navigator at least.
>>98849234So. He actually DOES have plenty of firepower for clearing units of light infantry because he has autocannons and theyre a decent number of shots. He also has plenty of solar aux mooks, who are just better than your levy and will let him outscore you even without convocators. And because he has dracosans he can get to objectives before your horde of meat. Instead bring like 10 leman russ executioners and just blast him off the batlefield. Or a bunch of artillery. Or drown him in seismic cannon venators.
I've been thinking, and all of the Loyalists Primarchs who disappeared after the Hersey all should've just died during the civil war.Khan should've died stopping Mortarion during the Siege of Terra. An epic sacrifice is much better than him just disappearing one day. Russ should have died in his failed assault on Horus' ship. One last (failed) hail mary to try and stop Horus is a fitting exit for Russ, especially since he believed he was the Emperor's executor. Vulkan should've been atomized for good in his fight with Magnus. That makes a lot more sense than "Vulkan showed up, beat an Orc boss, gave his chapters a riddle, then disappeared for the next ten thousand years"Corvus should've just died during either the shattering of the legions or in his counterattacks leading up to the siege. That makes more sense than "Corvus spends 10k years trying and failing to hunt Lorgar"Narratively, this is a lot more satisfying then "and then x loyalist Primarch just up and disappeared for the next 10,000 years". It also gives the actual Hersey more stakes since even the Primarchs would be dropping like flies, which would feed into the narrative of brother vs brother in an unspeakable tragedy that humanity never recovers from.
>>98849040Reminder Magnus did everything wrong.
>>98849171well first of all that is more like 3ksons>>98849543no, he still gets that 6++ against psychic weapons and perils; and he can Master Sergeant one of those Line Command Sections and get a Champion, who can then use the Master of Fates Gambit because he has the Tzeentch Trait; Prosperine Spireguard also lets him inflict Warp Rupture on an enemy unit at the cost of inflicting it on one of his own, but he has to take 25% casualties from a shooting attack first and spend a Reaction to do it - he does the get his 6++ which is otherwise almost never going to come up; he is also giving up Form Ranks! to get that Reaction, which is a 5++ against all Shooting it's something>>98849234this works for one turn and then the Discipline Masters are all sniped out; Instil Order ain't that great at Ld8 (you are Ld8 because you only get one Provenance with this build, and you chose Busy Work)because you cheaped out on Expendable (it was 50 points a unit, but still), each time you get a Levy troop back via Unending Horde (which is still only 1/3 with both the UH4+ and Reserves rolls) you're just giving the other guy VP, and you don't get your Discipline Masters back; this is going to become more and more frequent as your huge unwieldy units enter, then get Routed by a single flamer, touch the table edge and evaporateto be perfectly honest on some battlefields you're not going to have room to deploy all 50 from Reserves without losing some as Casualties, and it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that they arrive, can't fit, take 13 losses and disappear in a cloud of shit
>>98849600But, that IS how it happened. You feeling well, anon?
>>98849600Nah, Corax being a "loyal daemon primarch" is probably the most interesting thing they ever did with all of them just up and disappearing. Shit part is, they wont do anything further with it probably, but still, its something at least. Rumors been for a while that Dorns next to come back, which if true will just further piss me off at this kike fucking company. Bring us Daemon Perturabo first at least before we get the golden shower faggot king of fisting back....
Why is it so rare to see pieces of HH art that showcase the sheer scale of the armies?
>>98851083Because this isn't just some *army shot* this is the fucking Triumph at Ullanor - the single largest assembly during the Great Crusade. Almost nothing is on this scale for a reason. Not every planet had it's horizon leveled for a parade.
It is your right to have a HH gf
>>98851156only if they're pre-op like that one
Third of five militia squads done, think it's time for another russ. Post some damn models.
>>98851142>Not every planet had it's horizon leveled for a paradeTrue. I level them through sheer collateral >:^)>>98851083>Giant eagle on a plainOh fuck that's going to be a nightmare for the builders. So much wind shear forces!
>>98851047>I like my primarch going dark Saiyan modeBooo. I bet you even like Cell's saga better than Majin Buu's
>>98851266Are you paying for those bayonets or are they just to look cool?
>>98851320They're purely cosmetic, the only thing I'm paying for is the meltagun and the vox. Not strictly WYSIWYG but eh, it's militia, bayonets or not anything that gets into melee with them will vaporize them.
Where do I get started with slaaneshi lore? I’ve heard fulgrims book was bad, is there anything else worth reading?
>>98851543The realms of chaos.
>>98851156Only if shes pre-op.>>98851173A fellow anon of classic and refined taste.>>98851316Nothing beats Vegetas monologue during Buus saga.
So, 30k is most commonly played at 3000 pts, right?
>>98851266Posted them in the last thread before it died, but I finished up a squad of melee breacher vets for my World Eaters.
How you pronounce "nuncio-vox"?
>>98851954you're just supposed to read it like an anglo would read it, not worry about ecclesiastic or restored pronunciation. the "nuncio" is the same root word as in annunciation and announce without the ad-/an- prefix, if that helps
>>98851954Noonsio vocks. But different legions pronounce it nuntsio, nuncheeo, or nunkeeo, depending on their local version of Gothic.Same as how Caesar got to be pronounced Ceesar, Kaesar, and Chessar
>>98851862Noice. May they win many combats, anon
>>98851954Ray-dee-oh
>>98852195Topkek
What Heresy weapons are your favorites? Love me some volkites.
>>98852277power axe
>>98851047>Bring us Daemon Perturabo first at least before we get the golden shower faggot king of fisting back....Remember, the reason IF are gold and the IW are silver is because the latter will always be second best.
>>98850010>because you cheaped out on Expendable (it was 50 points a unit, but still)Anon...uh...would you mind reading the list of special rules Levy Troops get by default again for me?
>>98852277Banestrike Bolter and Axe-RakesWish I could take both on my Tacticals/Despoilers not for the rules but because they look dope.Would an opponent care if I just modeled them with it anyway and made it clear it's just for show?
>>98852369>second best Nigga you two are racing for last place, even the ultramarines are more interesting than you in HH
>>98852385Why would some do that? Just go on the internet and lie?
>>98852369>goldYou mean yellow, right? Sanguiniuses personal guard are gold. The femstodes are gold. Captain Tycho (pbuh) is gold.Dorns sons are piss yellow.
>>98852459Yes anon, the Fists are gold just like how the IW are silver (actually more of a grimy grey)>Dorns sons are piss yellow.If your piss is the colour of IF armour you should probably see a doctor or stop being so dehydrated
>>98851047Perturabo becoming a demon is poor writing imo
Anyone have a scan of the liber custodes?
And thus, the saturnine building spree, and the last of the non-tanks for my word bearers, finishes with a cheeky little saturnine centurion made from spare parts. I actually have one more saturnine praetor left over as a freebie from someone, but I'll save that in case we get something fancy like a saturnine librarian or champion that I want to convert
>>98852708>but I'll save that in case we get something fancy like a saturnine librarian or champion that I want to convertGod if only.I would kill for a Saturnine Warmonger so I could DS him with some Cataphractii
>>98852708>>98852738Also forgot to say giving word bearers saturnine the plasma blasters is based and I wish GW had made the effort to let Phraetus (and regular Saturnine) take Warpfire plasma.
>>98852683No.
>>98851954Nonce-vox
>>98851954The correct way.
>>98850010>it's somethingOkay its "something", but its not what you want from a "haha this is unbeatable dogshit" cheese list.
>>98849600Them dissapearing worked when it was a period of unknown myth, when there was just a blank slate and "oh, and they vanished" left open a whole canvass for storytelling and your own ideas (and obviously tied into 40k, for which this lore was written). It does not work now that we know more about the heresy than basically any other period of the imperiums history, and where the primarchs are known quantities and characters.
>>98849171>Brings an AV 14 vehicleWhere is your god now?
>>98853334Pretty sure the dogshit cheese is the autocannon spam anon, not his cheap objective holders
>>98853356>Where is your god now?Blessing the chainfists and demolisher cannons, presumably
>>98853357Its meant to be both. Because used correctly fateweaver is super strong. Line(3) dudes, turning off LoS blockers for your shooting to hit targets unobstructed, applying statuses. But as is hes better off with an infantry cohort.
>>98853367Two demolisher cannons is rather insufficient for dealing with AV 14 Speaking from personal experienceAnd I'm not taking the 10 siege tartaros with 1 chainfist attack each serious.
>>98851083>The titans in the background aren't just copy-pasted from the foreground and actually have visibly different weapons.Holy fuck I didn't think GW knew how to do that any more.
>>98851083Fuck, now I want a full sized 28mm warlord with a fucking fuck huge chainfist.....
>>98853478All the weapons from AT need to be ported over to 28mm and then even more, people are feral for titan weapons
>>98853500It sucks because theres several available on some of the 3d printing sites, ive seen the volkites and ursus claws for the warhounds and some of the warlord carapace weapons, as well as a fully upscaled version of the direwolf, but no one out there is willing to print them for a few bucks that ive been able to find (except for ONE VERY sketchy looking russian site advertising the direwolf, but it almost looks like its a locals only type of site sadly.....also it was like $400+, though I myself would HAPPILY pay that for it if I could.).
>>98853500>meta becomes dual volkite warhounds beaming armies into ashTitan-sized disintegrator weapons when
Looks like HH will be getting Christmas boxes this year>Keep checking in with us to be the first to learn exactly when. And stay tuned to find out what’s on offer for Warhammer Age of Sigmar and Warhammer: The Horus Heresy.
>>98853838it is a custodes box... somehow w40k releases count as HH ones.
>>98853890Wouldn't that have shown up in the 40k article then?
>>98853906Oh they will too, sm, orks and custodes and tau are the four christmas boxes. They throw in the "and a HH box too" , because it is the same box.
>>98853932the 40k artice is already up; no tue or custodes>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/17yaxs02/new-battleforce-boxes-revealed-for-warhammer-40000/
>>98853938>And stay tuned to find out what’s on offer for Warhammer Age of Sigmar and Warhammer: The Horus Heresy.Bets? I'm betting tarantula and arachnae spam to move stock.
So forgive me for this, but I'm going to give it a shot because I'm going crazy. I remember seeing a custodes army at LVO this year, loved it but forgot to take pictures. All I remember is they were teal and kinda ancient green-ish gold, the scenic floor was purple and had a huge picture of a purple background with crystals and shit. I remember thinking "dude I'd love to paint my custodes like that if I had some". Now I have them and I can't find the army
In fact, do anyone have the scans of the newer campaign books?
>>988541238 saturnine, saturnine praetor, sicaran, leviathan
>>98854123Each mark of power armor plus each weapon upgrade sprue and one vehicle of their choice, likely one that isn’t particularly popular.Alternatively, if saturnine didn’t sell very well, we’ll probably see those thrown in.
Stable flyers don't snap shoot with their different fire missions right? The only "otherwise stated" that the missions could be referencing in the game is the stable flyer rules but those not as explicit as I would like.
>>98854709You just use a combat drop mission and get hit by snaps while being able to fire defensive weapons like the nose and sponsons. It doesn't matter it's not a transport. Can't shoot the missiles but unless you upgrade them they suck anyway. The real issue is that gunships are kinda bad by virtue of being so inconsistent with arrival.
>>98853444>Holy fuck I didn't think GW knew how to do that any more.That would be because it's fanart and thus can contain actual SOVL
>>98854123any chance Solar Auxillia get one?
>>98854123Contemptor, the ever-unpopular Whirlwind, MkIV Tacticals with heavy weapons for 10
>>98854189no but when I went looking I saw these from 2019 with the BA mkIV heads and GK pauldrons and I gotta say, i don't hate the look
>>98855011>BA mkIV heads or maybe TS?
>>98855011>>98855018Pretty sure they're Ultras
>>98854985I thought 3.0 whirlwind is actually alright? Scorpius might be mediocre in terms of rules, but the newer whirlwind is decent enough. At the very least the design seemed like it was reasonably well received around here.
>>98855011looks like the um praetorian heads
>>98848162>>98827162 AT Anon ABANDONS you
>>98856592Sometimes people want to be relieved of playing the only slop that gets played and actually enjoy a good game, once in a lifetime. Not me though, when I'm not playing heresy it's kingdom death or battle tech, I desire only consumerist slop
i'm reading the new journal and apparently the custodes had pythos in their sights
>>98857884the book also abandon all pretense of numbers as 300 solar auxilia somehow take a heavy toll on 30 custodes bikes and 50 caladius and some 50 pallas
>>98857972and those 300 are slain several time over by just the jetbikes somehow
>>98854709>Stable flyers don't snap shoot with their different fire missions right?Yes they do? Why wouldnt they. Stable fliers simply always get the benefit of heavy on their weapons (since otherwise flyers only get heavy via the intercept reaction, since they always count as moving)
>>98857972>as 300 solar auxilia somehow take a heavy toll on 30 custodes bikes and 50 caladius and some 50 pallasJesus christ thats a performance to make NL look good, how the fuck.
>>98858054They were all in sentinel power loaders.
>>98858195Oh no, not the mighty sentinel! How will the alchemical perfection of the emperors personal towel boys match up to repurposed industrial equipment.
>>98858054>Breaking news, large cannons and weapons made to fight the horrors of the galaxy effective on shiny power armor.
i'm gonna leave this shit here, fuck them retards
mongrels
>>98858393>>98858397Next time post them the right way round broken neck anon.
>>98858402>a full tercio of Malcador tanks were destroyed while charging the Custodian lines, covering the advance of a Dracosan full of explosives so they could destroy one Calidius.Damn, always love those asian levels of martyrmaxxing
>>98858751total custard strategic loss desu. You can replace that many malcadors by the end of the hour.
>>98858766It's almost as if superhumans are a retarded idea compared to just building a better tank...
>>98858397>a fifth of their numberso like 6 dudes including the two who got krak ambushed, for hundreds of SAand if all 100 tanks are caught up, 16 or 17 of those, in return for a whole tank company of Leman Russes>trade full Malcador tercio + Dracosan firetank to take out one Caladiusthat's seven Malcadors>full Veletaris Tercio to do 1W to Shield Captainthat's 4 Dracosans 90 Veletarii and 12 veltaris Hermesoh and confirmed 7 dead Custodesmeh, seems reasonable even if the Shield Captain is retarded
If I score several precision hits, do I preemptively split them up amongst several models or do they all have to go against a single model? Or do you slow roll them until the first chosen target dies and then select a new target if there are any precision hits left over?
>>98858835>for hundreds of SACompare the number of SA to the number of custards (and the ease of replacing those numbers) and you will see that thats a fucking awful trade. >that's seven MalcadorsThere are thousands upon thousands of malcadors for every caladius out there. Ones a standard issue design tank so simple the guard end up having it and the other is nigh irreplaceable masterwork so convoluted only the custodes get to have one. >oh and confirmed 7 dead CustodesAccording to "official imperial records". So the number is higher than that. This is grey knights engaging GSC and feeling happy that they only lost three dreadknights and a squad of paladins in exchange for taking out 2000 cult members and 200 ridge runners.
>>98859445GW writers don't understand size and supplies. A custods force, even if it lost one member or a vehicle or even have multiple armour suits heavily damaged, would have to consider the planet taking a lose, because all those things are impossible to replace. Custodes would have to do those things from old old lore (which GW changed by now) that they never died in service and fought the warp to a stand still. In a way it is suprising that there were any custodes left alive with weapons/gear in w40k.
how are they gonna go about dealing with the legion specific units? are they even gonna bother refreshing them in plastic? hell are they even gonna make unique units again?
>>98859681>sprue of five tactical marines>sprue of heads, pads, weapons and some decorative elements associated with said special unit
Almost done with this MoD, just needs shoulder decals which he'll get with the next batch.
>>98859628>an army would just turn back at the first sign of trouble because hardware is expensive>ur at hoem polising ur armuour>im at see bombartan ur scarbro
>>98860111Yes, basically. Everything has a cost, whether literal cash or in time, resources, even just "oppurtinity cost". If you spend a buller worth "200" killing a dude worth "1" then you lost that trade, even if that dude is dead. Custodes are super duper ultra rare and elite, everything about them is basically one of a kind bespoke with super specialized supply lines. Theres very few of them and theyre all wearing shit rarer and many times more advanced than ANYTHING else in the imperiium short of like, the psy-titans or whatever. It is in all likelyhood easier to raise and equip an entire guard regiment than outfit a single custodian guard, let alone a squad of small detachment you would send on a mission. If the custodes go out to hunt some traitor general that had his regiment go rogue or some random ork warlord or whatever, and they entirely wipe out the enemy but lose like three dudes? Thats a strategic loss, thats trading down. If they take heavy losses? Thats what should be considered an absolute disaster. Custodes, by their nature, basically need to have flawless wins every time (the titan legions are similar in this regard), any amount of loss is unacceptable because of how few custodes there are and how bespoke their shit is.
doing up some IH moritats to go with some mortalis destroyers in landraider achilles. I think some cables from gun to backpack and a tactical rock for the small guy and we should be good to go. What are you working on anons?
>>98859681Remember the SoH and BA upgrades that were supposed to eventually expand to the rest of the legions? Basically that but plastic. It’s questionable if GW even wants to invest in that many unique molds for every legion, they’d likely never see a return on investment unless HH starts getting way more popular than it currently is.
batch painting on the predators is going okay imo. Turrets mostly done.
>>98860218i think GW has decided that move is to do big waves for new or refreshed armies (and then basically ignore them for the next decade with barely as much as a pity model) just a theory but i guess there's more hype around new armies when they're new instead of giving moderate love to less popular armies to boost their popularity.how would they do this with HH though? big waves for all 18 legions over the next 10 years? sounds cool but its gonna make things very lopsided early on and its not like things like word bearers or iron hands will be big needle movers
>>98860395They're going to do nothing. Once custodes are done and the journals fail they're going to release a compendium and ignore it for 2 years until next edition where they delete all the rules again and resell you the bare minimum over 18 months again.
>>98860391Ikelos and Phoebetor are getting there. Honestly this is coming along pretty fast, may get them done tomorrow.
still need to pick out the teeth but the 30 I need for like a 2000 pt game are getting there
>>98860460hey be fair, we'll probably get a mk5 armor set, more ported daemons and THEN be done!
>>98860460>and the journals failAnon do you understand how minimal the investment to make a journal is? Not to mention that the journals are selling, thats sort of why they keep doing this format. It lets them drip feed releases with minimum effort and investment while making profit.
>>98860620journals aren't as free as you probably think they areit's another product that they need to allocate logistics for, and one that requires outside manufacturers since GW doesn't own its own in nottinghamthey're also likely shipped in from china and subject to all the increasing tariffs associated with it
>>98860640own it's own printers*
>>98860150OK so you're just ignoring reality? that's good to know, it means nothing you're going to write has any worth
>>98860663Which one? The one irl or the one in the game? Because what I wrote is true for both. You can literally see that calculus play out in several wars atm. Killing some raghead with an old AK using an expensive modern drone isnt worth the missile. You can also see that notion play out repeatedly in 40k, a titan legion can have a great time wiping out entire armies of tanks, but all those russes will get replaced by the afternoon while that one felled reaver is basically irreplaceable.
>>98860395Honestly? Doubt GW even knows themselves. Seems like they had a plan, but the whole anti-resin thing in Britain threw off all their development plans. Given 2.0 had a streak of character releases and, for a time, upgrade kits before suddenly stopping, it’s possible corporate hit the breaks on HH models that weren’t in plastic. That includes any legion specific models they were working on.
>>98860535Predators table ready imo. Might need to tough up the sponsons and dozer blades a little bit though.
In other newshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/n1s11hao/the-next-scouring-book-revealed-wrath-of-terra/
>>98861236Is it just me or is that ultramarine kind of primaris looking
>>98861257Just you. Thats very clearly MK4
>>98861257Mf can't even have a gorget anymore without niggas calling him primaris, y'all are obsessed
>>98861265>>98861333TBF, that is a SHIT drawing of mk IV, the chest p-late proportions look off as hell....
>>98861359The legs also look unfinished. But its clearly MK4.
>>98861236i hope the special edition is as lovely as Ashes is
>>98861359trying too hard to be butthurt
>>98861585Trying to hard to shit stir
Titanicus has been played! 4chan has come back online specifically so I can post!
My buddy wanted to use his newly painted knights for the first time so I was facing 2 Asterius knights and 2 lancers along with the usual Mortis CHAFF. Boy did they make an impression. I brought 3 lancers and 4 magera myself and the little newts stole the show.The dice were pretty bonkers this game. My opponent could not stop rolling 1s on his command rolls, my tight rolls came later in the game.
Turn 1 the Mortis dire wolf is struck static by Awakening the Machine Spirit twice. The Hound tries to avoid Lazerbeak's charge but gets slidlined by Jim instead. My magera advance up the tight space but would be punished by Belicossa Volcano cannon fire and only the lord scion would live.
The knights move into position...
We were doing stray shots into buildings this game so the board started to clear itself as all of our missed blasts took a toll on the terrain. The Pale King lucked out as a result as its line of sight opened up.
Rock 'em Sock 'em Reaver embarrassed itself this game, flumping every repair roll and missing every shot with its graviton dildo. The knights hold back the blizzard as the Pale King and Blastermaster bring up their guns
*Blocks your path*
Turn 3 the Pale King would get to unload properly. A stray Belicossa shot would scatter off the asterius onto the waround, catching it, one Aasterius, the warlord, and my knight in the blast. The Asterius gets clean-6'd. The warhound loses shields, and I roll a 1 on the damage for my knight (i.e. no damage). Blastermaster would finish off the other knight. While it would get finished off by defensor batteries, my little knight magera would do some decent damage nipple-pinching the warlord.
So the little knight lancer here would win me the game. It killed the warlord, causing a magazine detonation which (killed it) immobilized the warhound preventing it from doing anything AND preventing the warbringer from advancing on the objective whilst I was free to bring overwhelming tonnage onto the objective.
Rock 'em Sock 'em would finally be brought down by the lancers. The Pale King flashed the warbringer's shields. Blastermaster would take one last stab and kill a lancer. A brutal match. Spearhead deployment always ends up as such. Play Titanicus.
>>98861236OwO
>>98859628>because all those things are impossible to replace[Citation Needed]>>98861236>Tfw there's one of the fucking fursuit Space Wolves in the artGuess we know how long the pipeline on art being made before release is now
>>98858835>that's seven MalcadorsThree Malcadors + a Dracosan, each tercio is three units>>98858835>that's 4 Dracosans 90 Veletarii and 12 veltaris HermesAgain, each Tercio is three units (plus Sentinels and Transports) so it's 30-50 Veletarii (2 normal squads + command), 3 Dracosans and 6 HermesWhere were you getting these dumb numbers from?
>>98861890Imagine if the legions finally get their plastic upgrade kits and this helmet comes back from the fucking dead.
I was skimming through Cybertheurgy rules and I realized you functionally can't use Omega Protocols...You can only cast Cybertheurgy during your turn before charges are declared in the assault phase or before that in previous phases. The powers that give statuses only target units outside of combat. The Statuses fall off at the beginning of your turn.Ignoring an edge case where you get charged in your own movement or shooting phase, there is no way to get a status on a unit, get them into combat and cast Omega Protocols before the status falls off naturally...
>>98862060Two different cybertheurgists. Yes, it isn't worth it, but you knew that when you started taking tech thralls.
>>98862087Oh, I'm a dumbass
My new apothecary for the Raptora. Near finished
>>98861257Since Primaris everything is Primaris looking. We are not obsessed, this is a fact. The artwork has become 10 times shittier and the design of the marines with it.
>>98861890>>98861995What's wrong with it? Looks aight to me.
>>98861236
>>98862158The story behind them is funny, since they were quite too on the nose for some in that Forge World eventually got bullied into making a new set of helmets that are just beakies with gems.
>>98860640The Journals for 30K and TOW use the format they do specifically because it lets GW get them printed locally.
>>98862164What's the deal with the gems anyways? The old fw RG heads got them too.
>>98862181It looks fancy, what other reason do you need to use gems
>>98862136Is that a Night Lords skin grafter I see?
>>98862158Kys furry.
>>98862278Yes you are anon :)
>>98862335Yeah, those are baaaaaaad. Imagine if they had put fucking beaks on the mk VI ravenguard heads....
>>98862360>beaks on the mk VI ravenguard headsThat would've been way cooler though?
What's your opinion on power daggers?Have you used them?
Aaaand we're back!I could use you guyseses help: as I understand it, all of the equipment used by the Astartes in WH40K are derivatives of a more glorious age: Indomitus was considered the cheaper compromise to churn out Terminator armor faster, MKVII was the standardized set that was cross-compatible with many older pieces of equipment, etc. The Forge Worlds that create power armor and armaments for the Astartes are forbidden from inventing new things, as innovation is considered to bring ruination and is framed as tech-heresy.Then GW realized that they painted themselves in a corner and retconned this with the appearance of Belisarius Cawl, a tech-priest who brought a bunch of new and improved designs for their tech including upgraded Astartes, all of which we round up to simply calling primaris for the sake of simplicity.40K is no longer about resting on the laurels of the past but suddenly shifted into "Hey, new things can exist for the popular faction too!" which struck a lot of older fans as disingenuous at best and creatively bankrupt at worst.Having said all this, barring all of the primaris kits (obviously) and MKVII armor since it was rolled out just before the Siege of Terra for the Imperial Fists, is there any tech in 40K that would not fit into Horus Heresy? I'm talking things like bolters, equipment doodads, the design of vehicles, and so on.
>>98862335I do wonder if a more smartly rounded and shaped head would actually work, these are awful.
>>98862389You can put them on the Venerable dread in a HH2 Fury of the Ancients list, but I haven't really bothered in HH3
>>98861995I wish, if it was just 1 helmet amongst 10 it wouldn't have been an issue
>>98861236>scouring>no mk7 in sight
>>98861890I am biased about this none. Is this artwork low effort or extra low effort?
>>98862389do they still provide a +1 attack with other wepons in 3.0?
>>98862360They did, the old FW upgrade kit had one
>>98862335Looks cool to me.
>>98861890>entire upper torso twisted 90 degrees
>>98861236So when are Dark Mech getting proper models in 28mm?
>>98862618Got a pic of it?>>98862372Thats a skull beak though, and it fits with the LOTD theme pretty well when painted good. Dont some of the primarishit ravenguard have beaked....beakie helms? Swear I remember seeing a few....
>>98861995Didn't the helmet show up in Space Marine 2?I think it's rather likely that, even if no one likes it, it clearly has fans at GW/Saber
>>98862701Some sort of variant of a wolf helm exists there, yeah, despite being pretty anal about having anything prior to MkVI. Don't have a pic on hand.
>>98862692>dark mech range before plastic mkvimagine
>>98862729They already have LI models which are the basis for that BL cover
>>98862751You and I both know I meant the real HH range, but fuck are these LI niggas rad af.
>>98862701It showed up in a unreleased HH game cutscene that got grave yarded, set at Prospero.
>>98862500Products only in art as much as possible, plz understand
Learned helplessness: the thread
>>98861236>warhammer - the horus heresy - wrath of terra - the scouring>osprey - world war 2 - the invasion of afghanistan - cold war
>>98862424>is there any tech in 40K that would not fit into Horus Heresy?Centurions. They are an Age of Apostasy invention, so it was explicitly not used in the heresy.It was a new development, not archaeotech...so they waited 1000 years until it BECAME archaeotech in M37-38
They look weird.
>>98862614No - daggers and multiple CCW no longer give +1A. That's from the datasheet: either the unit is meant for melee or it isn't.That's how Headhunters went from 3A on the charge to 1A always. Yet they have Hatred, for whatever reason.Furthermore >>98862493, daggers are now a power weapon replacement, instead of a weapon you can get on top of your other weapons.Now you gotta choose: Thunder Hammer or...knife.
>>98863344How big are these stood next to nuCata and nuIndo?
>>98857972>00 solar auxilia somehow take a heavy toll on 30 custodes bikes and 50 caladius and some 50 pallasIt says they killed like 7 custodes. How is that a heavy toll
>>98863385>It says they killed like 7 custodesIt says the """""official imperial record"""" is 7 dead custodes (as well as various confirmed vehicle losses). Not to mention seven is already heavy losses (7/30 is near 25%)
>>98863364Aw fuck it really is a race to see who is tallest?
>>98863344I don't mind the design but they look so stiff
>>98863410At first I was gonna be all snarky and say "What did you expect, action poses" but DAMN these are just walking mannequins huh?
>>98863351Oh man that kind of sucks.
>>98863364Tortuga catas mogg nucatas
>>98863424Yes, but that wasn't the question.
>>98863426They are probably a tad bit taller than nucata, but the models are trash are you buying them for real?
>>98863389I think the 7 is already counting casualties from both jet bikes and tanks, so it'd be 7/130: 94.61% survival rate.Custodian records are for Custodes, so I don't think they lie to themselves like they like to the public - if it says the 24 casualties regenerated, then they did.But assuming they didn't, then it'd be 24 dead out of 130: 81.53% survival.All in all, I don't think Custodes are made with opportunity cost in mind >>98860150. In fact the very concept of a Super Soldier goes AGAINST economy of force.No, it is DENSITY of force: a faction with a surplus of manpower (The Imperium) decides to pack several regiments' worth of power into a single force, which allows you to better apply power - you can fit 100 guardsmen into one Rhino if you pack the power of 10 guys into a single marine and send 10 marines.10 to 1 by fluff, but closer to 2-1 crunch wise, I think?
>>98863115Unfortunate, especially since GW will then sell models based on old artworks that were original, like the BT castellan. Ironic.
>>98863490Opportunity cost isnt about economy of force, its about "you can do multiple things in theory, and only one thing at a time in practice, so the thing you do should be the optimal thing to do". If your custodes are busy brawling with a couple hundred solar aux theyre not doing something else. THAT is opportunity cost, and is one of the various costs associated with all military actions. But no, super solders are also not immune to economy of force, concentration of force isnt some contrary principle. To go with your marine example, yes, 10 marines may concentrate the power of 100 men in one rhino, but you would not be happy trading 10 marines for said 100 men because even if they are "equal in force" or whatever, one is a more valuable and rare asset. Marines are invaluable, they do missions which are next to impossible to accomplish by other means short of sending in the even more invaluable assets like mass naval forces or whatever. This means losing them in bad trades is bad for the imperium.
>>98862389Silly. They definitely didn't talk to the guy who abstracted better CQC with blades as Charnabel Sabres on Mor Deythan.
>>98863572Indeed. Thanks GW, thanks Chapterhouse.I still have my chapterhouse storm raven extension kit from back in the day. It's so ugly but good history on when we entered the bad timeline. I use it as a storm eagle occasionally.
>>98863115Yeah GW are cunty like that, true.But you can also think about it for a second. The book is about them taking Mars. Gee, I wonder what Mars, the main Imperial forge world, will allow them to do once taken…It’ll come back, model wise is the question. I’m more worried it’ll have some dumb lore like “the loyalist forces found plans the Dark Mechanicum made for a newer form of armor. Not as advanced as before but easily reproduced. This knowledge was QUIETLY SUPPRESSED AND FEW IN THE IMPERIUM KNOW THE TRUTH” aka some loyalist team killing happens, wow it’s so repressive and secretive, see they can’t be the good guys. I would bet money on this.
>>98863652>This means losing them in bad trades is bad for the imperium.That's the whole point of 40k (and yes that includes 30k), everything is a bad trade for everyone, losing five hundred year old super soldiers and priceless relics every day to a green retard born yesterday because that's grim dark. The imperium is intentionally retarded.
>>98863676Basado
>>98861890They have been sitting on this series so long the cover artist was given 2.0 shot as his referenceYikes
>>98861729>>98861722>>98861709>>98861691>>98861686>>98861674>>98861667>>98861661>>98861653>>98861611BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
>>98861653> I just want to use my freshly painted (most broken unit in the fucking game)Yeah....
>>98863676Don't blame chapterhouse.
>>98863652On the contrary. This whole point is about the Imperium needing an objective achieved so badly it is willing to trade down. Because it IS a trade down, no one is disputing that. But the objective demands it, and Concentration of Force makes it achievable.10 quadrillion people shall toil 10,000 years to afford 10,000 custodians. The imperium has effectively infinite resources and infinite time. It is constrained only by the physical dimensions of a hallway, and the cargo capacity of stairs.
>>98863824This thread was promised to AT players 3000 years ago
>>98863823They shouldn't have name dropped GW ip for their products. It is their own fault and exactly why GW picked them out of the sea of third parties.
>>98863823Why? GW are cunts and do a lot of dumb shit, but they are REMARKABLY tolerant of people trying to knock off their IP for profit, if people were going around selling the video game equivalent of 3d prints nintendo would have had them killed by now. Their reaction to chapterhouse and subsequent change of policy is entirely down to some faggots pushing it too far and ruining everything for everyone else. Im all for 3d printing or 3rd party models, theyre often very good and can provide affordable alternatives to GW or simply things that GW has yet to make models for, but the idea that theyre some sacred cow and definetly not pushing legal boundaries is stupid. Everyone knows what theyre doing and doesent get to cry when GW brings the hammer down.
>>98864164Because GW has knocked off and stolen so much from other IPs, so they have no moral high ground to stand on and are scum.
>>98864223>so they have no moral high groundIrrelevant to "this is how every single business on the planet would respond" you moron. Im not arguing - nor do I care - whether GW ripping off judge dredd makes it morally justified to sell Astral Marines with Nail-Rifles, im pointing out that the retards did something that was going to get an obvious reaction and got that obvious reaction. And therefore have no one to blame but themselves.
>>98864164>if people were going around selling the video game equivalent of 3d prints nintendo would have had them killed by now.PC flags are essentially commies in that they hand out their hacks and mods for free. I don't know how they could monetize their skill besides crating a personality cult, engaging in drama and setting up a Patreon. Like that Thor guy
>>98864253>. I don't know how they could monetize their skill besides crating a personality cult, engaging in drama and setting up a PatreonWell, in theory they could try and sell their romhacks or whatever in the same way anyone else sells stuff/software. It would just end with a japanese lawyer so far up their guts the town rapist would be jealous.
>>98864268Nintendo gets mad. So what? They don't extradit anyone to Japan.
>>98862174they are not printed locally or else they would have a "made in UK" emblemdid you not see the image?
>98862500>EARLY scouring>Like, only weeks and months after Horus death>traitors have not yet run to the Eye>The loyalist Legions have not been split yet into Chapters and adopted the Codex>no mk7 in sight100% canon. Mk7 did not become common until decades later at the least.
In which country was Chapterhouse located?
>>98864387australia wasnt it?
>>98864310Do you not remember the emulator guys that got raped by Nintendo for millions of dollars just a year or two ago
>>98864310No, they just sue you in your home country.
>>98864397No. They were selling an emulator? What's happened>>98864425I guess the one way to be safe from that is to be a commie and charge nothing for it
Is Horus Heresy in a 3-year cycle or is that still contained to 40K and AoS?
>>98864469We dont know. Were supposed to get army journals for the legions at some point - and we havent gotten any yet - but for all we know thats just a lie.
>>98864447They weren't selling anything, beyond having a patreon to support development. They didn't even give the games. They just caught a hit because people used the emulator to play the leaked Zelda game and so Nintendo threw the book at them to establish a precedent. Basically the same thing as GW did with chaoterhouse except they were actually successful because Nintendo is one of the most successful Japanese companies.
>>98864488Wait, Chapterhouse was selling and they were explicit in their IP infringement. That's different.This case would be like posting instructions for a 3d printed gun and getting sued over someone else using it to commit a crime. Which indeed maybe they would have responsibility for?
Are the 40k chaos knights useable in heresy if I remove the more obviously chaos-y bits from them? Considering buying that new battleforce to fill out my army.
>>98864504Its more an issue of loadout. Theres no little knight gatlings for example, or the tentacle arms.
>>98864500Yeah chapterhouse was different, they straight up used GW ip blatantly. They presented the best possible scenario for GW to sue and try to scare off third party makers. Even if GW didn't succeed entirely they got chapterhouse shutdown and established the precedent that they will drown you in legal fees and can get things on sites taken down because the site doesn't care about the little guy. Chapterhouse was the catalyst. It would have been someone else eventually, sure, but CH were too brazen and presented the perfect target.
>>98864504Anything is usable in Heresy if you're unhinged enough to convert it.
>>98864595>they straight up used GW ip blatantly.How? I always hear people talking about it, but never seen any examples that others have not done.>got chapterhouse shutdownChapterhouse stayed up for some time after the lawsuit. There was no court order to close shop.
>>98864834They were literally making models for IP characters anon. This isnt even "old man of apocalipse: space infantry moral officer", this is "yea this is Yarrick".>There was no court order to close shop.No, but it did force them to shut down regardless, because lawsuits are expensive and GW can afford a lot more lawsuits than chapterhouse. They flew too close to the sun, got sued, and fucked over the art direction for everyone else. They are why "no mini = no rules" and "no mini = no art" is a thing.
>>98864971>They were literally making models for IP characters anon. This isnt even "old man of apocalipse: space infantry moral officer", this is "yea this is Yarrick".Examples?
>>988644693 years, enough to make people believe that putting the expiration date they put on books isn't too short. And the shares skyrocket.
>>98864983
>>98865076>forPlenty of 3rd parties have told the customer what kit the parts are compatible with. How is that more illegal than, say, selling a body kit for a specific model of car?
>>98864971IP and copyright law is why GW is like that. The case (and all the issues they lost on) merely brought it up. GW was fine sending C&Ds to everyone who even looked at the wrong but once someone took them to court and it was made clear what's allowed and what's not GW had to change their ways. Unfortunately GW chose the "if we can't directly make money from this the community can go fuck itself" approach. People who hadn't been paying attention before that woke up, smelled the coffee and then blamed CH for pointing out the Emperor has no clothes.
>>98864983They sold a "Mycetic Spore" for example. Just straight up a page for the unit that didnt have a model like it was ripped from the codex. >>98865091There is actually a difference between "Battle Suit head for Tau Crisis Suit Models" and "Alien Robo Suit Head" that has a reference in the description to tau battle suits. That was actually one of the points GWs suit won on. It why bits sellers have generic names for bits but can freely make general references. Pop goes the Monkey is a perfect example of clear third party bits and compatability whereas chapter house was "here is a bit for a first party model".A body kit is advertised correctly. Its also not as specific as the example above. Body kits dont intentionally try look like first party parts. Many are outside of the US as well. CHapter hosue was Florida or Texas in the US and was easily reachable. Body kits exist on two spectrums; chinesium pop ups and very well lawyer'd premier names. GW argued, correctly, that CH infringed on some of their IP directly. They won the battle suit head half but lost the "no model, cant sue" part and why we have "no model, no rules" now.
>>98865483>They sold a "Mycetic Spore" for example. Just straight up a page for the unit that didnt have a model like it was ripped from the codex.And did CH win or lose on that case?>A body kit is advertised correctly.So how is "Spoiler kit for BMW M3" legal but "Head set for Crisis Suit" not?>Body kits don't intentionally try look like first party parts.You do know everyone does that without GW getting all up in their grill about it. You can't just claim a style. You can stop people from making direct copies of your products, but you can't stop someone from making something that looks similar to your thing (as long as it doesn't cause brand confusion).>Body kits exist on two spectrums; chinesium pop ups and very well lawyer'd premier names.Body kits are sold everywhere without major car manufacturers taking all the body shops and stores to court for using their IP by telling people what cars the parts fit onto.
>>98861236I just realized that on Monday next week it will have been 14 years to the day since the publishing of Angel Exterminatus, the last book about the Emperor's Children.
>>98865570Do you not count books that are specifically about EC characters like Eidolon?
>>98865560Your arguments are purely academic at this point, what happened already happened. CH lawyer argued some of those points, like GW cant sue if they dont make the model but lost out on infringement via lookalikes or whatever the technical term is. Neihter of us are lawyers and the case is over, I am merely commenting on the past reading the suit(s). Chapter House shot themselves in the foot and GW came knocking. GW doesnt make rules for items they dont sell in publications and third party bits sellers use this case on how they advertise.
>>98865649Sure, but it's also not as simple as "they just stole GW IP" and that's it. The fact that GW had to change their approach so much indicates on which grounds they lost. This would've been inevitable with or without CH, because the underlying issue had exited for all this time.I wonder what the result would've been if GW hasn't been so litigious at the time and had just negotiated with CH first.
>>98865560>And did CH win or lose on that case?on whether they could market a product they didn't own the IP rights to simply because the IP owner hadn't currently got a product out? are you stupid
What’s this about rumors of 30k having a demons vs custodes box?
>>98849040The fenrisian mind can not comprehend this
>>98865704>would've been inevitable with or without CHWhile true, in this timeline it was CH. So you can thank CH. If they didn't and someone else did it would be that someone else's fault. No one is innocent in this, but I would argue GW is a massive dick.
>>98863389It says that because it's comparing it to a dozen mentioned prone in the previous paragraph and explaining how many healed soon after (presumably 5/12, if we can trust their numbers given the 300 SA being killed several times over here)
>>98863351>>98863418It sucks that power knives have to compete with hammers, but knives aren’t totally utterly useless either. They just happen to be on units that really aren’t suited for melee in the first place. Thanks to their initiative bonus, they’ll be hitting first and any wound against T4 is automatically AP2 thanks to breaching. Combined with headhunters inherently getting precision 4+, that means headhunters can basically snipe out sergeants and characters in melee. Will they die in the proceeding combat? Probably, but again, even if they had hammers, AL units generally aren’t specialized for melee in the first place.
>>98863351fuck why does 3e suck so bad with random bullshit
>>98866224so you can't build shitty stick armies and beat real players over the head with them>>98866139this
>>98866093lmao
>>98866224Because GW sucks.
>>98866093>LIMITEDWhat's the joke here?
I'm Chaplain Subere from, your brother legion (yes.that'll do). Anyway I think we should all join the warrior lodges to celebrate the Warmaster's swift recovery.
>>98866491Forgot pic
>>98863364like the nucatas, they are barely bigger they just have different proportions
>>98865999Never heard of them, but ostensibly it would be going off the potential of 3.0 redoing two armies in plastic like with 2.0, whilst marine releases are sprinkled out. Ruinstorm Daemons insofar have been a hobbyist army but I guess we can't put it past GW to change that, and to be fair they do have a handful of unique sculpts for brutes and Samus. Besides, Militia are cooler for that job anyway.
>>98866637the fw ones mogg them so hard
>>98866637Why does nuGW insist on changing the look of pre-established units? They could have just done the mini on the left in plastic...
>>98866736It's either the right or a 5 piece shoulder and still not the same kid, plastic can't do the same thing as resin.
>>98866743Slavery is a choice. You owe them nothing, stop excusing the laziness, malice, and ineptitude. The left Termie has the profile of the modern Indomitus, even if it’s supposedly Cata-adjacent. It could’ve been kept but it was a CHOICE, on their behalf, to do the right and think it’s an equivalent refresh. Suffer not the excuses to live.
>>98866743How so?
>>98866743>five piece shoulderTwo at most>plastic can't do the same thing as resinSure they can. It's all about the skill of the sculptor and the people who then design the sprues.
>>98864164>they are REMARKABLY tolerant of people trying to knock off their IP for profitThey literally tried to sue a random children's book author for using the totally generic term "space marine" because the author dared to capitalise it.Fuck off you bootlicking piece of subhuman garbage.
>>98866637I prefer them FAT
>>98864313That's literally the reason given by people who worked at GW/know people who work at GW when folk asked why they were always so short when often the theatre of war described clearly had scope for way more content: they have a page limit they can't go above, or they have to outsource it to China like the "main" books.
>>98864164>>98866823Not to mention the self-destructive shit like the crackdown on fan animations to shill Warhammer + when it would have been more profitable not to waste money on making a shitty streaming service and instead just benefit from all the secondaries TTS and the like were bringing in for them.
>>98865982No, he's asking because in fact GW lost on that point, multiple times, you fucking buffoon. Creating a 2d artwork does not give you copyright over all possible expressions of that concept in all mediums for all time, and you can't hold the trademark for a term in a use case you aren't using it for.If GW makes a drawing of X and calls it Y, they have the right to prevent people producing copies of the drawing and nobody else who draws something is allowed to call it Y, they do not have the right to stop someone from sculpting a completely independent 3D artwork merely inspired by a piece of 2D art(which definitionally cannot depict enough of an object to be materially similar to a 3D one) and they can't say "we drew a picture and called the thing in it Y, so nobody else can ever use the term Y for everything ever".And that's before we get into the argument that GW doesn't get copyright protection for its designs *at all* since they're developed to be the basis for tabletop gaming pieces, making them mass-produced functional parts which in the UK would more likely fall under design rights, which are much more limited.It's so fucking depressing that we've existed in a world where corporations have lied and bullied for so long about what IP rights are that dipshit fuckwit retards like you genuinely believe these cunts can do anything they like to anyone they like.
>>98866637*worse
>>98863344>>98863364>>98866637I kind of want to get my hands on those shoulder pads to stick on an IF specialist in indomitus armour just for the hell of it
>>98866841>It's so fucking depressing that we've existed in a world where corporations have lied and bullied for so long about what IP rights are that dipshit fuckwit retards like you genuinely believe these cunts can do anything they like to anyone they like.Giving corporations personhood was a mistake
>>98866841>corporations have lied and bullied for so long about what IP rights are that dipshit fuckwit retards like you genuinely believe these cunts can do anything they like to anyone they like.Anon, the ip laws are whatever the biggest corporation paying off smerican lawmakers is, it's not a lie if they're lirerally the ones with who are controlling the government. Do you know how many times Disney alone has changed copyright law?
>>98866887>Topic is a British company and British IP law>So anyway, it's all because of American lawmakersTotal Yank Death
>>98866910That's the only IP law anyone cares about retard, you shouldn't have let your state collapse in WW2 if you wanted a real say
>>98866997>you shouldn't have let your state collapseOh no no no
>>98865982You don't own a blanket IP just because you use a word and have some sketch of it. Neither is it illegal to manufacture aftermarket parts and let people know what products they fit. Just because a company claims their IP was infringed upon doesn't make it so.>>98866075Considering it's all the cases on which GW lost that had them to change things, it seems to be GW's own fault. Like leaving piles of oily rags laying everywhere and then blaming the source of the spark that burned the whole place down.
>>98867139mate if you don't understand IP law you can just stop talking
>>98867257Then why is it that those are the issues on which GW lost on and thus had to start changing things? If you win in court, you don't have to do shit. You were right all along and the courts agreed that you did everything right. But if you lost, suddenly you have to do thing differently so you don't get fucked again.
Normally Tortuga names their power armors m2, m3, etc. but these just have the name "Pre-" which strikes me as odd. Are they based off of some older artwork?
>>98867606Visions
>>98867606Why do they have chaffinch beaks for feet and water retention in their lower legs?
>>98867139>seems to be GW's own faultAgain, no one is innocent in this but the amount you're defending CH is, frankly, cringe. Yeah I wanted the little guy to stick it to the man on all account, but let's be real, CH has some blame here. They had plenty of opportunity to NOT be the nail that stuck out the most. They brought it on themselves. Also, again, the case happens. It's over. GW won some points lost others. Your hypotheticals/examples are meaningless in the face of the past tense. You argue in court, not after the fact. Laws differ from country to country and in the court you make claims based on it. Notice how GW didn't go after every single bits sellers at the time? You can't squash them all, not enough time in the day to litigate. So GW picked the most egregious to set an example and precedent. GW won some infringement points in the case so your points, in the literal sense, don't matter because they were already ruled in their favor. If you don't like it, counter sue. Arguing against what already happened on 4chan isn't going to change anything.
>>98866637Is the topknot part of the kit?
Two crassus armored assault transports, each with 8 charonite ogryn inside. After all, why shouldn't I?
>>98867638You do realize everything GW has done since is based on cases where it was rules their IP wasn't infringed, right? I'm sorry if not automatically defending GW on the matter is cringe, but as you said, it has already been settled.
>>98867971>sorry if not automatically defending GWNo one is defending GW. Everyone has pointed out how much GW sucks every time. I don't know where you lost plot but it was a while ago. No one is innocent is not a defense, some people use it for cope, but I'm using it in the literal sense. >cases where it was rules their IP wasn't infringed, right?That's just not totally true. It's partially true, no model no rules in publications sure. But takedowns are a result of successfully winning the points on IP infringement due to being too derivative. Sometimes they do overstep and it's evil, but that's a risk neither hosting sites nor creators will risk suit over.
>get a Journal Tactica for the Dropsite Massacre>Forgeworld still listed on the back coverAre they still in business? I thought they died.
>>98868085They still exist, they are still their own section of the business model. The store got merged and the rules team merged, but they're basically still their own department.
>>98868085huh, you're right, the forgeworld logo is still on even the newest journal tactica. forgeworld was folded into the specialist games division of GW, so it doesn't really exist as its own entity anymore. it's probably something to do with how they've filed their copyrights and trademarks on things or something. like, the horus heresy brand, or the miniature designs might still belong to the forgeworld subsidiary on paper, despite it no longer being a distinct division within the company. maybe
>>98868152Or it's to trick poor bastards into thinking the same people are doing the writing, like how retards really believed bioware was still around when they had gotten ship of theseus'd before mass effect 3 even began development
>>98866743Explain.
>>98868305Different manufacturing process for resin vs injection molding means they need more parts for a plastic kit for the same detail
Total fucking noob here I've built the Mark III Tac marines and some of them have bare elbows and the only parts seems to be for the wrists for the heavy weapon kit. Where do I find the elbow parts??
>>98868351Right below the bare heads on the sprues.
>>98868229>believed bioware was still around when they had gotten ship of theseus'd before mass effect 3 even began developmentI dislike that thought experiment so much. The Ship of Theseus is simply a counting issue that gets solved when you assign value to the individual components and establish a threshold criterion.Imagine (You) are you. Your mind, contained entirely inside your brain, is 90% of who you are. Of this, 2/3 (60%) is your responses to stimuli and 1/3 (30%) is your memories. The other 10%, half is your face, half is your body. So:Attitudes: 60%Memories: 30%Face: 5%Body: 5%If you replace all your limbs with bionics, you are still you. If you get a Face Off face transplant, you are still you, just with another face. If you wake up having dreamed another life you are still you, just with different memories.But if you react differently, I will know an Alpha Legionnaire psykers is controlling you, even though he knows your memory and has your face and body.The Ship of Theseus gets solved when you learn how to count
>>98868596Isn't the point that 100% of things get replaced? Not any% but eventually everything was replaced. So you don't have old memories anymore in your example. In that case you would be a different person. If you get replaced with identical things over time then so long as your brain wasn't wholesale swapped you'll spill over into new hardware and software, your "ghost" is intact enough to color the new parts. But if your brain is instantly replaced with an identical copy you are a different person and the previous is dead, your ghost is lost.Bioware example isn't great either because "memories" get passed down via training, procedures, etc or at least inform new things.
>>98868671>he thinks game developers literally ever share or teach or pass things down Having something that only you know how to do and no one else can fix without you rewriting or redesigning the whole system is how you get job security in this industry baby. At least it was until this AI craze, where now the company's are betting on being able to take the enshittification rep hit once the AI costs come down enough to make them cheaper than the workers they replace...IF they can make them cheaper than the workers they replace.
>>98866828so where on the book does it say, "made in UK"
does anybody have the Aeronautica Imperialis supplement for HH ? i swear i used to have it but can't find it no more
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