>to serve men
Where is my submissive traditional malkavian wife from (17)50s?

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We're off to a great start.

>TQ
My Ventrue had 3 dots in Hobby Talent: Trivia and the Useful Knowledge and Grand Library 4 Merits, all for the sake of endless chatting with the Toreador.

Hey /WoDg/ I'm a lurker but I want to get into Mage, problem is the 20th anniversary book absolutely sucks. What should I read instead? Don't recommend me Awakening, that game elicits nothing out of a reader.

>>98849615
revised or 2e corebook they are both like a third in size and have sections that m20 had to turn into extra books

>>98849615
I didn't get the same feeling from 20th so much as "god damn when does it get to mechanics", but I really liked Sorcerers Crusade. Then again I also liked Will Durant's Renaissance back when I read it of my own volition in high school so maybe some nostalgia kicked in since at least one writer seemed to be emulating his manner of writing if not lifting lines outright, I'm not checking.

>>98849631
Renaissance book*
meant to type that instead of typing out the full Story of Civilization title but I may as well type it now, fug

https://strawpoll.com/NPgxeJK9KZ2/results

Ahkay, I see what's going on - in looks like more people have loyalty to the Order of Hermes itself than the Tremere specifically, interesting.

>>98848501 #
I'm not a player. I was going to prepare just the dice rules for them and introduce the world through rp but one of them asked for books to read.

>>98849615
Revised has the best summary for Sphere magic, though it comes with a very specific street-level focus that is unique to Revised, it's much more punishing than any other edition.

Personally, I just embraced Brucato's pretentious style of writing and ploughed through M20 anyway, while ignoring all of his retarded screeds about turning vampires into chairs.

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>>98849615
I got you bro !
https://smugloli.net/tg/src/1789284943498.pdf
or
https://athos.neocities.org/Mage%20the%20Ascension%2020th%20Edition%20SRD%20-%20In%20Memory%20of%20Terry.pdf

How do Sorcerers build their rotes from spheres when they have limited access both in mechanics and in universe?

>>98849744
Sorcerers don't use spheres?

>>98849744
sorcerers have neither rotes nor spheres they use paths and rituals

Thinking back to the Lupine of VtM 1E.
Some of the few lore tidbits we got was that Lupine rampage at the fully moon, have a man/wolfman/wolf form, have other lupine mates and every full moon they turn into a wolf. Not a wolfman, a wolf.
Someone this is spread between Bunters Hunted and sporadic other books. But I’m starting to see Lupine the Rage/Hidden form as if it was a World of Darkness splat.
Werewolves have a choice every full mom. To become wolves or go mad as wolfmen on a rampage.
It’s about given up agency either to the GM or the ability to solve issues as the character is now a wolf.

>>98849361
>What is the most flavorful, deliberately unoptimal, ridiculous, personal and/or stupid reason for which you have bought dots in something over the course of a chronicle?
Not myself, but a girl at my table playing a Mokole took dots in Mnesis just to get inspiration for her songwriting.

>>98849361
A Nosferatu PC blood bonded himself to a Gangrel in order to get a point in Protean in order to learn Unmarked Grave. He was a prepper and convinced that nuclear armageddon was inbound, but if he could sleep off the grid and away from population centres in the soil, he'd be able to survive it.

Uratha caught up with him and now he's staked in a cellar. Alas.

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>>98849852
that sounds like some kind of werewolf apocalypse

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Anyone here ever actually run or play CtD? If so, what was the chronicle about? If you're a nogames but interested, what would your chronicle be about?

>>98849671
If I understand this right, you want to have players who start as clueless fledglings. There is a tradition some STs follow, called Prelude, where the ST and one player at a time roleplay a PC's last moments as a mortal before they get the Embrace.

Besides the books I already mentioned in the last thread (Core, Player's Guide, Clan and Covenant books, Rites of the Blood and Testament of Longinus if relevant), I can't help but notice there really is no Big Book of Ignorant Fledglings, but maybe there is an exception.

The Blue Book, that is, the Chronicles of Darkness core rulebook (the one that in 1st edition it was called World of Darkness).

Maybe can help your player get the vibes of CofD, it's what you use to play mortal campaigns and if you do choose to play Preludes it sorta kinda fits there, and it also helps with introducing the mechanics shared by CofD splats while we're at it.

You can also give the players the media recommended by the writers of both the Blue Book and VtR 2e core.

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>TQ
I have 2 dots in performance because its my headcanon that Bakeslave likes to sing karaoke on saturday nights and play the guitar recreationally.

The Avatar Storm is the most retarded thing to ever happen to this setting. It's sad reading The Book of Chantries and seeing all the flavor and potential that White Wolf threw away just because they wanted to autistically force players to only do street-level campaigns.

Though realistically they probably only did it because they realized that, the way the setting was established, mages would by necessity have to play a primary role in the apocalypse subplot that never ended up paying off. So they decided instead to just arbitrarily kill off all the important mages so that they wouldn't overshadow the vampire cash cow.

>>98850895
Just buy Stormwarden?

>>98850901
Doesn't address the core issue of each faction's archmage leadership and horizon realm chantries effectively not existing anymore.

My current PC is being stalked by a hunter, and I took dots in Animal Ken so I can steal her dogs. I'm working up that rapport, it'll probably be a bit before I actually take them.

>>98850938
this is ntr

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>>98849361
Are there any big differences between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd edition prints of VtM?
I'm primarily interested in using it as a fluff reference, not going to run the campaign with WoD rules but having the hard copy on hand is nice.

Post music that fits WoD without being from official WoD products or mentioned in the manuals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFEXNKplqVU

>>98849361
Gave a dot of Academics to Shark because I assumed that without the equivalent of a high school education Shark wouldn’t be able to read, or discuss anything beyond caveman speak.

Also third week without a game. ST hadn’t sleep at all since he was handling a crisis so today’s game was canceled. Also Mathilda is probably permanently leaving the game. They had to move to another state for work and they were handed their schedule at the last minute, without any say in it. So for now until perhaps the end of the Holidays we’re sure not to see them again, perhaps ever… but we still have hope. Plus me and Catalina’s player have been handling stuff just fine just the two of us. So we can wait. And we got another player joining in November.

>>98850979
Do you mean printings of the 2nd edition manual, or do you mean editions of the game? The game changes quite a lot between every edition. The third edition is called Revised, the fourth is the 20th anniversary version with a larger and comprehensive tome.

>>98851153
Anything by Chris Shards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1YF4aR2a4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adF2xsYsuaU

and any thing by Rik Schaffer of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTOblKaPK9Q&list=PLZJfxWIcWTHtLC2Ioh1gwdLBU7Nx_1aYQ

And here is a playlist from an artist, Orsartag, who was trying to recreate the feel of bloodlines music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pur0Qt9-4LU&list=PLUn1Od-GnHtrLU9PlTLNYgAXCktMtNv2a

It's getting harder to find cool artist recently, everything from recent years now has the AI question hanging over it. I get the feeling its discouraging new artists who are trying alternative styles of music.

>>98851224
Printings, not editions my bad.
Specifically interested in VtM 90s not Requiem or anything after.

>>98851201
ST announced us that we have reached the 1/3 of the campaign. After a whole year (today’s the anniversary). With Shark becoming a Methusalah and Triatic head of the Wyrm in the first 1/3, I wonder what the other 2/3 has in store for us. I know there’s Hitler getting into power and WW2. He predicted another year! So that’s nice.

Also ST has already planned the next chronicle. It’s in a homebrew world. Though it uses the vampire system it has nothing to do with vampires. Basically the people with special powers are direct descendants of the First men who aligned themselves with the gods (think of the two brothers from RWBY). There’s multiple eras with different civilizations. The current one is a mix of 40K but with more Roman civilization, mixed with Trench Crusade, and Cyberpunk depending on the nations.

There are only humans, but the people who have rebelled against the gods have been turned into Warhammer Fantasy’s beastmens. They’re pretty much KoS everywhere and like their inspiration are bent on destroying civilization. Though since they’re all humans they can breed with normal people, which makes less animalistic offsprings.

I think that I want to make a catgirl merchant and play the worst stereotypes of the Jews and Gypsies. Though that’s a concept for now. My mind will surely change in a year.

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>>98851287
I know VTM Revised edition had a Limited Edition, the manual is identical but has a faux leather cover and comes with an artbook

>>98851301
That doesn't seem likely to be available but good to keep an eye out for thanks anon.
Looks like the 2nd printing has 270 pages and the 3rd has 312 pages so there are some differences but likely not too relevant to my needs.

>>98851301
not him, but does its artbook pop right off the fucking spine like the artbook that came with mage revised?

>>98850895
Never forget MECHA...

>>98851362
>>98850979
I believe that drivethrurpg does print on demand for most of WoD to most of the world. You can check there if you want to get your hands on a physical copy of the most up to date printing. V20 could be an option if your just wanting a reference manual. It was designed to pull all of oWoD VtM into one place after all, which it did an alright job of.

>>98849629
oh, what sections? I've only really read mage 20 as part of my dive into the rest of 20th from VTM and it was really obvious they chopped the thing into extra books.

>>98851201
My sincere condolences for your ST's health. I hope they get better and y'all get to play sooner.

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>>98851381
It looks like its just The Revised/20th aniversary edition and some of the stuff around Books of Nod. This might be useful from the description really, I'll see if its in a trove to check.
Thanks for the lead anon.

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I'm doing a one shot for W20 and want to come up with some characters. I don't think I'll have options for every clan, and I was thinking of maybe 2 characters per clan (I do just enjoy making characters).

So I was thinking, for Auspices, for each clan, which 2 Auspices do you think best gel with the Clan's general gifts/stereotypes? I.e. for Bone Gnawers a Ragabash makes sense. Curious as to other peoples perception on this.

>>98851811
I'm pretty sure the tribe books in the OP should have you covered even if a couple of the pre generated characters are hanky as hell.

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>Don't recommend me Awakening, that game elicits nothing out of a reader.

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>>98850078
>If you're a nogames but interested, what would your chronicle be about?

>>98850637
https://youtu.be/k1Rak9YyRfA?si=1XGy9yU5K2LI0gFb

>>98851948
I'll call your accusation, and raise you one "Artist's Shit"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_Shit

>>98850895
They wouldn't have needed to do this if they had just made every other game align thematically and mechanically with Vampire: the Masquerade.

>>98851153
https://youtu.be/XwsJlUdklmk?si=hyjWzADTYnioi9u_

>her deed name is literally white-woman-walking

>>98852102
How does a Garou earn such a name?

>>98852102
Still better than black-woman-speaking

>>98851763
Well it’s not their health that is at stakes it’s a close person to them. Incurable condition, already went through 3 or 4 treatments and I think the last one failed. ST stayed up all night on the phone up to 8 am (and still went to work afterwards l) because that person might have been in a suicidal mood.

>>98852102
Theurge used their power to help a paraplegic philanthropic woman. Said woman later gave an handsome donation to the wildlife refuge and is raising awareness in the environment.

Reminder
Hedgefag won
Magefags lost

>>98851283
I really like Orsartag, thanks for sharing.

>>98849361
>to serve man
That was a good episode

>We smokin those Hedgespun Habanero Hoagies. We smokin those Arcadian Ayahuasca Applejacks. Hit the blunt so hard it permanently lowered my Clarity. I shot a load through her Gate of Horn. Last Huntsman stepped to me got his Heart turned into toilet paper. I'm built different. Privateer tried to jump me and I turned his Seeming into a Definitely. I'm feral. I'm worse than a Beast. My Kith don't even have a Blessing, that's how fucked I am. My stacks so thick I got the Coin Regalia askin me for a loan. This shit ain't nothin to me, man.

>>98852382
Give me my fae mount back!

>>98851981
But they do.

What's the best Werewolf edition to read purely for lore?

>>98852527
just read the official anthologies or campaign book like project twilight which is unironically more about the garou than the hunters

Is there a book for the Society of Leopold or the Arcanum?

>>98852630
Yes, there is a book called Halls of the Arcanum. I don't think the Society of Leopold got a whole book for itself.

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>>98852642
The Inquisition, it's a VTM book, same way that Halls of the Arcanum is technically mage book. Has a lot of fun stuff in it, it's where I got this little gem.

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>>98852464
Here you go.

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>>98852727
>hot get mount

>>98852630
Halls of the Arcanum and The Inquisition

>>98852769
Grats on the new fetish

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>>98852769
>>98852874
Imagine having a dire wolf mount that also shapeshifts into a handsome muscular viking who can chop wood for you or polish your shoes. Also woofs are cheaper to enchant and you can keep them in the dream world as much as you want.

>>98853073
That's it I'm bringing my Threefold Axe to this month's Samhain

>get to Jerusalem section in BJD
>mass suicide rituals
>expect something ominous
>turns out it was Malkav blueballing Gehenna by waking up Mekhet and Malakai
>Beckett gets infected with the network
>literally the only effect is him getting a calm PSA from Malkav about the importance of making sure you have hobbies other than endlessly killing other vamps in the Jyhad for the finale
This book has some weird choices. I guess Malkav joins Arikel and Ennoia on the list of relatively chill Antediluvians.

>>98853097
>SCREW THE END OF THE WORLD, GO PAINT SOMETHING INSTEAD OF KILLING EVERYONE FOR ONE MEASLY DOT IN GENERATION

What did Malkav mean by this?

>>98853103
I think he means we need to go kill somebody who gives us /two/ dots of generation.

>>98853103
we are meant diablerize people with dots in crafts?

>>98853103
>Painting is a ploy made up by big Antediluvian
>We must triple down on AI Art to destroy all all Painters before they can play their part in the Jyhad
>Sword of Caine major victory, baby

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>>98853329
No Lasombra i am not letting you drive everyone into becoming rentoids for computer parts

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>>98853329
Shovelheads make the world go round.

>>98853329
But my ghoul said ai art is also Art which of course means that we need to destory all A-

>>98853097
it's also for some reason picking up a bit from a werewolf book when vampire books before and after said that he was the madness network

only to then turn him into the madness network and act like this is something that will shake up vampiric society

>>98853455
it is so funny that this picture is pretty much true even though it's the opposite of what the writers of v5 intended

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seems like Jan Pieterzoon is back alive

>>98853613
How many layers of Dominated mindfuck is he going to be on after a decade in the basement.

>>98853617
i mean look at this face. that's not the face of a humanity 6 idealist who thinks he can save the world and turn vampirekind into something better both for itself and the mortals

he is probably going to be hardestadt the youngest

>>98853625
Not seeing anything on google except that that pic is a commission from last year.

>>98853613
that's not jan pieterzoon m8 the guys who do v5 art also just do commissions

>>98851283
>the wubs on the Orstartag track
Kino

Shame Rik kind of lost the motivation to make more of this stuff

>>98852769
>>98853073
Man the Sidhe get all the cool shit

>>98853776
they are the main character of ctd like the commoner/noble divide really turned into a afterthought to the true chosen king who wields caliburn plotline

>>98853097
>This book has some weird choices.
That's being stupendously charitable.

>>98853732
Avarage Animalism user.

Ever envious of another person’s game? Like wanting to join but they’re already full?

I wake up at a quarter to 5 in the p.m. every evening. That's about 12 hours before most vampires wake up Heh. I am a very spiritual person. I start each day by thanking the mortals for the sunrise. For the land I walk on. For the air I breathe. I also apologize for vampires. But Lord knows they ain't gonna apologize for themselves.

I am not a Cainite. Nor do I consider myself to be a Cainite. Many people mistake me for being leech because they don't know that I am currently living with the heartbreak of Renfield's syndrome. Every evening, I eat hematogens to ease this ailment. I like to think it works. Luckily, the voices in my head hadn't gotten much louder in the last few years.

As you can see here, I enjoy building small shrines to certain special mortals who are important in my life. This one here is dedicated to Abraham Van Helsing, Great mortal man. Didn't take no shit from vampires, werewolves, nor devils. And this one here is for Leopold von Murnau. Loved him.

>98854120
I sense that this is a meme with which I should be familiar.

>>98854120
>102% Tzimisce (with 2% margin of error)

>>98854120
>Tfw the romanian tries to convince me he's just misunderstood

>>98854120
That’s a good one

Do you guys design your characters around a certain clan/tribe/tradition, or do you build a character first and then try to fit them into the splat?

I‘m currently working on a character for a [spoilers]hypothetical T–T[/spoilers] V:DA game and while I have a clear picture for the mortal side of his history, traits, and backgrounds, I cannot decide on a clan for him.

>>98854289
>Do you guys design your characters around a certain clan/tribe/tradition, or do you build a character first and then try to fit them into the splat?
For me, it varies. Back when my table was doing CofD, I came up with an idea for a Princess and then decided afterwards to put her in the Court of Storms. More recently when we started WtA Changing Breeds, I decided on a Kitsune and then developed the character from there.

>>98854289

Well I guess just decide, what kinda vamp would WANT to embrace the character you've made? Which Clan would see them and be interested?

>>98854289
I mostly go of character concept because that's what I was thought.

>>98854289
I build stereotypes for woofs because they are cuter that way but go by character concept first for other splats

A weird guy in red tinted glasses told me I had a pretty aura last night...

>>98854289
Depends on the game to be honest. With vampires, I like to start with Clan just because almost every clan has a "clan culture", however loose, that informs the kind of people they embrace. Even an exception needs to consider the rule to be an exception. This doesn't mean your character is their clan first and an individual second, but it does make the process easier, because you can't possibly find yourself making an interesting character that nobody would really embrace.

Anyway for the work you've already done, >>98854334 has good advice. Who would want to embrace this guy, and if there are multiple, which do you think would be the most interesting to embrace him?

>>98849361
>Thread Question
Expert Knowledge: Archaeology 4 (Egyptology), Setite Lore 3
Language: English, Language: Ancient Egyptian, Language: Arabic Egyptian/Masri, Language: Ancient Greek, Language: Latin (5 out of 7 total points spent in merits)
Chronicle Setting: Jacksonville/St. Augustine, Florida; Modern Nights
Character flavor was the only concern. :p

>>98854334
That’s the thing, there’s several clans who could be interested. The character is a compassionate though withdrawn myrepsos, a perfumer of the byzantine church (the apothecaries/physicians responsible for making the chrism, the fragrant oil used in orthodox sacraments), learned in alchemy, medicine, theology and a bit of occultism. Has some connections within the church and a lucrative sidehustle in selling ointments and fragrances to the nobility.
So the obvious clans would be toreador, cappadocians, tremere, and salubri, though tzimisce and lasombra might also be possible. In some unlikely circumstances I could also see him embraced by brujah/trujah, ass*mites, nossies, or, may god forgive me for ushering those words, a city gangrel.

>>98854531
Sounds like someone that the Byzantine Tzimisce would embrace. Or Salubri.

>>98854531
Go for Toreador if you want to have a good time, Cappadocian if you want to have a bad time, Salubri if you want to have a really bad time, and Tremere if you want to be really, really conflicted (and also depending on when the game is set, hunted by Tziggers).

The Greek Tziggers are another option, they have better PR than the Carpathian brood, but they're still pretty twisted and inhuman, just in far more esoteric ways. Usually. They did produce fucking Vykos. I imagine your alchemist might be quite shaken up if they got their hands on him.

>>98854593
>They did produce fucking Vykos
Man, I fucking hate this "Build 100 monuments, yet nobody calls you 'the builder'. Fuck a goat once, and everybody calls you 'the goatfucker' for the rest of your life" attitude....

has anyone made a version of Mage the Ascension yet where the spheres are sensical and the game isn't annoying to run? Something like Mage Made Easy, but actually Mage Made Easy rather than Satyros reprinting m20 without the asides on his father's thrusting cock while eating ethnic food at the table.
>inb4 use Awakening
Awakening's magic system is not what I am looking for.

>>98854611
I'm more trying to dispel the common hope/delusion that there is such as thing as a good Tzigger. I like the Tziggers, which is precisely why I hate people that try to whitewash them and have their nice, "normal" tziggers. If you're gonna play one, embrace the Tziggery. Or play a character that fights against it tooth and nail, but with the knowledge that they're a rare exception, one that will likely struggle against their own clan for the sum of their unlife.

The Byzantine Tzimisce weren't nearly as "heh I glued a whole peasant family together lmao" as their Carpathian brethren, but they were absolutely twisted. The Dracon may have been the one humanityfag of the Tzimisce Methuselah, but I wouldn't call him moral, and his lineage certainly developed their own twisted bent. They're still Tziggers, just more subtle and esoteric than their brother brood.

>>98854611
it's not just one they also force revenant children unto paths of enlightenments (choir of caine) and this was written in a edition where you needed to be humanity 1 to switch to a path and they do it just because it sounds nicer when the choir that sings about redemption for caine is made out of children and those are also their main embrace material

guys are fucked up. just less fucked up because they are far enough away from kupala

>>98854649
MAGE IS EASY YOU JUST ASK THE PLAYER WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE DOING TO MAKE THE MAGIC HAPPEN
>Hang on a second the average WoDizen doesn't believe that can happen. Roll paradox
THIS IS HALF THE GAME JUST FIND A TABLE AND PLAY

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>I'm more trying to dispel the common hope/delusion that there is such as thing as a good Tzigger. I like the Tziggers, which is precisely why I hate people that try to whitewash them and have their nice, "normal" tziggers. If you're gonna play one, embrace the Tziggery. Or play a character that fights against it tooth and nail, but with the knowledge that they're a rare exception, one that will likely struggle against their own clan for the sum of their unlife.

>The Byzantine Tzimisce weren't nearly as "heh I glued a whole peasant family together lmao" as their Carpathian brethren, but they were absolutely twisted. The Dracon may have been the one humanityfag of the Tzimisce Methuselah, but I wouldn't call him moral, and his lineage certainly developed their own twisted bent. They're still Tziggers, just more subtle and esoteric than their brother brood.

>>98854675
I understand it, but 99 percent of everyone who wants to play Mage or run Mage does not understand it. There's also a bunch of retarded legacy code in the Spheres that stem from Vampfags/Wraithfags that make certain things harder, and that's NOT just from m20. I guarantee if we played Mage, you're retarded ass would make a bunch of mistakes.

That's why I was wondering if anyone has done a rethink of Mage's sphere system while rooted in Ascension.

>>98854679
I like both clans. Idk why you take anything acknowledging the cool and monstrous nature of the Tzimisce as some sort of fictional Tremere psy-op.

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>>98854611
It's not like their reputation is not deserved. They're based on one of the most horrid depiction of vampires in media, after all.

>>98854679
Byzantine Tzimisce and Tremere actually got along they let Abertorius (who would later become a member of the concil of seven) set up a chantry in constantinople and even let the tremere hunt salubri in their territory because dracon's brood wanted to show that they weren't under the thump of the voivodate and that their enemies and grievences weren't shared and really what did the salubri ever do for them?

they also made themselves a buffer state between the knights of the black cross and the voivodate at one point which really pissed off the voivodate even more because it meant that the ventrue (who in their eyes represented all western kindred) accepted them as being apart from the voivodes.

it's never outright stated but that might be the reason why they are somewhat isolated in the modern sabbat although the buffer state WAS lead by Vykos for a time but he kinda left the faction after the eldest raped him and joined the carpathians that would become the tzimisce anarchs so it may or may not be unrelated

Ananasianon here
chapter this wednesday (I have a changeling game tomorrow so no tomorrow)

>>98854649
>>98854692
It boils down to "find an ST whose perception of Ascension you gel with." It's funny that the game about reality being subjective and shaped to the whims of mages works best when you shape it according to your own whims, rather than make the mistake of trying to play it as written.
>But there's no one who runs it the way that I want it to be run.
I guess that's reality's way of telling you to run it yourself.

>>98854735
All because Dracon had serious beef with Triglav and was mad that the Eldest MPREG'd him to speed up his regeneration. Tziggers be tziggin'.

>>98854777
>the Eldest MPREG'd him to speed up his regeneration.
that's after. that's kinda the last event of the dark age vampire meta plot before dav20

I've been looking to get into world of darkness but haven't had much time lately, any anons running campaigns on Saturdays?
Hopefully Saturday nights? I don't mind if the campaign is already running or homebrew \ anime stuff I'm up for anything
Fair warning I'm ESL (Spanish first language, Chilean) and Shion tier unlucky

>>98854112
Yeah. Friend of mine joined a sorcerer game based on the Fate Stay Night (Nasuverse). Unlike friend I’m quite a fan, though my knowledge is solely based on anime, wiki delving and anons on this site

>>98854777
nah the guy wasn't mad at the eldest for doing that he was horrifed at how the eldest been afterwards

>"I looked into his eyes, I saw that his efort to recreate himself had failed. There was nothing human in his eyes. I had birthed a monster [...] Blood has passed between us for months—nine months, the time needed to make miracles— and the bond between us was tight. I loved the monstrous thing I had birthed [....] I took him back to the place that he had claimed as his own, and gave him to the care of those who could care for him, and then I ran from the sight of him and the knowledge of what had become of him, and built myself a home across the deep salt sea where I hoped to escape the pull of him,

>>98854783
i think he means when the eldest impregnated himself with dracon

>>98854751
I played Mage like that for years and had fun, but I'm only gonna play Mage again when the system is better.

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>tfw I think tziggetry won't make me flinch anymore, but they still manage to come up with even more horrid and unnerving shit.

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>>98854679
>They're still Tziggers, just more subtle and esoteric than their brother brood.
Is this why ancestry tests are illegal in the chantries?

>>98854783
What >>98854803 said. Dracon got MPREG'd with his sire's fetal regeneration form, birthed it, got scared and ran off. Later Dracon wanted to game end himself and the Eldest was so offended by Dracon being a bitch that he reduced him to a zygote and then raped Vykos to cause another MPREG, this time with Dracon, so Dracon would be deprived of his wish to final death forever.

Though I got to be honest, I'm not sure if I trust Dracon's reliability about the Eldest somehow not being that bad before the post-Samiel regeneration. Depending on what version of the story you hear, Samiel either found the Szlachta so horrifying that he assumed The Eldest was a demon, or conflated The Eldest and Kupala in the heat of the moment. Considering some of the other heinous shit The Eldest got up to in the past, I wonder if Dracon either had crazy rose-tinted glasses, or the experience of being used as a juicebag accelerant for his sire's regen mentally shattered him.

>>98854837
Then you'll never play it again.

>>98854846
Cute Gangrel

>>98854847
my personal head canon is that it's less rose-tinted glasses and more that while the eldest became worse during the rebirth he also made sure to never show the bad sides he already had before that to the dracon

like dracon admits that he is THE favorite and always been and that he got given the choice to become a vampire by his sire who made sure he had a good life before that and dracon at least thinks that the choice was not between unlife and death as is usual with the lasombra but actually unlife or normal life and he doesn't even know why he is favored that much which i also have the headcanon that dracon is the eldest actual son or otherwise descendent and isn't aware of it

>i do not know all the reasons why he first chose me, and I do not think that I want to know them. Some things, even between oneself and one’s sire, are better left unexplored. I know that he made the decision for the first time when I was little more than a child, and that he held to it as I grew to manhood. Unlike many of his childer, he ofered me a true choice when the time came—not the dead-water or death, as so many of our kin do in these degenerate nights, but the gift of his blood or the right to live and die as a mortal, a life in which he would not interfere

>>98854846
that and the baali lobby i mean brotherhood of the worm

>>98854837
>I'm only gonna play Mage again when the system is better.
Don't tell me you expect M6 to be good.

>>98854289
I have a guilty pleasure of starting from a specific ability or gimmick, and working backwards from there to make a character. "Well if I want someone with four dots of Medicine, they're probably in med school at the absolute minimum. That shit's expensive so they would probably have Resources as well..."

>>98854842

What's the most inhumanly shaped Tzimisce form anyone has actually played, or had in a game?

>>98854531

Assamite Vizier caste might be interesting. Cappadocians and Tremere also seem like they'd be after him.

Are there any clans you just don't like at all to knock off the list?

>>98854675
Okay, I don't know Mage, but looking at it:
>guys recommend you stsrt at Arete 3, but many tables probably don't know that
>at character creation, you maybe have one Sphere at three dots, if you know the advice above, and a bunch of other Spheres at one dot
>so you can know a bunch of shit but only affect one kind of thing
>new players probably look to the Rotes for guidance
>except their prerequisites all over the goddamn place
>I have never seen a "one dot of this, one of this, maybe one dot of a third Sphere" rote
Genius is also a mess but at least they got this part right. One dot of Skafoi and you can at least get around on a segway, which beats something like "you are aware of movement."

>>98854919
>Ass Mites
>Interesting

>>98854946
Worse, he's advocate for castefaggotry, where the Ass Mites were at their worst.

>>98854898
i know crossover knowledge is a meme, but seriously? please tell me it's actually called that.

>>98854892
It's not a bad theory, though I wonder if the Dracon is even correct that he was the favorite, or if that's his own bias.

Consider the embrace of Demdemeh. He got turned inside out by The Eldest on a lark, but Demdemeh was unphased by it entirely, saying that any wise man can see inside himself. The Eldest was so impressed by Demdemeh's composure that he embraced him. By contrast, the Dracon seemed to be the furthest from his sire. I wonder if he was an experiment by the Eldest, and misinterpreted his sire's non-interference as mercy and kindness.

>>98854979
>please tell me it's actually called that.
no it's not however the real name is actually even more on the nose
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Order_of_the_Wyrm
and there is also the
>Horned Society
which seems to be the same thing

Fairest changeling boyfriend

>>98854988
it was considered somewhat common knowledge that the dracon was the favorite, but i imagine the dracon was mostly the only source for this as even during the dark ages the tzimisce considered their eldest to be too far gone to safely interact with him. he was also the oldest tzimisce known to the european tzimisce although dracon himself knew that he wasn't the oldest childe of his sire and even knew a older one at some point who has been forgotten by the 13th century which means they probably don't know about Demdemeh and Kartarirya

so yeah not much to go off about despite the two interacting on page and the entire chapter of dracon monologe

makes me wonder what the eldest would have thought about the trinity given that he disliked it when his clan became too obsessed with the esoteric to the point where he killed byelobog for it, but then again we are told byelobog didn't actually care to covern his domain at all while the dracon at least kinda did

>>98854593
Wasn't Vykos practically a group project with the Eldest, Dracon and Michael all taking turns molesting their body and mind for centuries?

>>98854943
Straight out of character creation mages can get away with having a couple of Spheres at two dots. At least one Sphere at three dots is only a requirement if you want to be able to sling around offensive spells without having use your imagination.

But unless you're intentionally playing a fresh-faced novice, going Arete 1 with one dot in six different Spheres is a bad idea.

>>98855060
pretty much which is why in the ToJ book his story line comes to the conclusion where he (and it is really he again at that point) realises that this is all fucked up which causes him to reclaim his original identity and join the player characters, jan, etrius, goratrix in the mirror and saulot in the body of a clone in trying to save the world

>>98853097
>>98853874
Nodpill me about BJD. Is it a worthy resource to catch up to all the metaplot that has been going on since the game began or at least get a "the current state of affairs"? It looks THICC but still preferable to eyeing up every single By Night book I can find

>>98853776
Jelly, commoner?

>>98853776
One of these days I'll get around to posting my rework of CtD where I ended up fixing some of the things I hated like the Sidhe being both different from everyone else AND better

>>98855109
no it's beckett traveling across the world. it does refer to some old metaplot but is also another timeline version of that metaplot then 1-3E so it's really just a reference and some of the stuff is completely new and some of the old meta plot is not picked up

it is a book that is not meant to be a lore bible but a half novel half 70 or so plot hooks for storytellers

it doesn't even explain who most of the signature characters really are as it expects you to already know them and how they know beckett which is something most players probably don't even know even if they read the game book because a lot of that is from the novels... who are however again set in another timeline and BjD is not shy abot contradicting those novels

i am sorry if this sounds very negative but i am not entirely sure who that book was for (beside dawkins who wrote it) because if you know the metaplot it's kinda meh and if you don't then it explains far too little to be a good read

>>98853874
I dunno, I thought the chain of Saulot vs Saulot, Demetrius vs Master of Ravens and Jacob vs Esau was funny on the writers' part. Especially since it would have otherwise continued with Therese vs Jeanette if not for vtmb.
>>98855109
It was a brick to get through that I had to read in chunks. Admittedly that'd probably the ADHD but still, not the most riveting material. It's also the place that sets up 5e points like the bloodlines setting up the SI so they can sweep in to fill the vacuum. Don't think too hard about the timeline of the various places Beckett goes or you'll just hurt yourself.

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Can abominations be diablerized?

>>98855149
they can diablerize so they should be able to be diablerized

you probably won't get anything special out of it though

>>98855149
Yeah, Abomination is fundamentally a vampire.

>>98855149
Yes
But good luck trying

>>98855149
ask karl schrek

I guessed that some time between the 17th and the 24th, the second V6 playtest would come out. I made that guess because it would give Storytellers a week and change to get familiar with the system and assemble a posse for a one-shot right around Halloween. So far I am 0 for 3. Let's see what the rest of the week brings.

>>98854904
a few years ago i was in a game where the st was kinda inspired when it came to tzimisce nonsense

we had a elder who looked like a mix of a nervous system and a spider web a zulo form that looked like a big flesh spider thing with 16 limbs and two heads and another one who was constantly blood form and was living inside of a vozhod of his own making that looked like a big wingless moth

the two had a feud over the fact that they and their childers worked on the creation of the blood brothers and now couldn't get the ritual to work but both didn't wanted to admit that it was because the tremere antitribu are dead (in that chronicle that ritual needed a koldun and a thaumaturgist to cast) so they blamed the other for sabotaging them somehow

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>>98855149
Don't do this to yourself, neonate.

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>>98855149
Good luck diablerizing Shark, but yes it’s doable

>>98855109
Personally, I despise it. It's not a pure metaplot story, it's more like Beckett wandering from place to place and finding himself in increasingly contrived situations to justify the next stupid "plot hook" the writers conceived of. Beckett himself seems mildly out of character, and the depictions of various canon characters vary wildly in quality.

Its biggest sin is that you have to sit through pretty indulgent mid at best writing, and in exchange basically none of its "plot hooks" or pseudo-metaplot are any good. Shit like the Camarilla executively replacing the Prince of Berlin with a random former Sabbat Malkavian (which is blatantly just there to get the reasonable Waldburg out of the way so there can be an Anarch boogaloo), or Marcus Vitel coming back from the dead (or maybe it's his sire pretending to be him for some reason), which realistically should get the hammer brought down on him hard since last time he tried to start global nuclear war.

There's also a ton of proto-V5 stuff in there, like the absurdly tone-deaf choice of making the SoL's founder get canonized and the organization gaining a lot more mainstream support from the church. General Anarch glazing abounds, and the Camarilla feels extra retarded in it.

I genuinely think it's the worst non V5 VTM book I've ever read, and I say this as someone who liked the other V20 new books. Shit, I'd rate the Chaos Factor higher than BJD.

>>98855316
>I genuinely think it's the worst non V5 VTM book I've ever read, and I say this as someone who liked the other V20 new books. Shit, I'd rate the Chaos Factor higher than BJD.
a lot of v5 is set up or followers up bjd so that makes sense

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>>98855307
What about just a little sippy?

>>98854120
This but it's the exorcism episode

>>98855115
>>98855118
Where is the economy man when we need him

>>98855149
>Diablerize an abom
>Have a psychotic dog crying constantly about how you're a soulless gay monster, muh Gaia, how he wishes he could have died with honor, killed himself etc
Worth it?

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>>98855307
With Shark, it's easier to pull a reverse diablerie.

>>98855485
A little sippy… well I’ve got 40 points to spare. Promise that you’re not some Assamite in a catboy trenchcoat here to steal some blood to raise your own generation?

>>98855624
Oof
Though now as a fifth gen with willpower 10 and a bonus 5 extra dice, RNGesus must REALLY hate Shark if he/she/they loses again.

>>98855566
>May St. Leopold Bless you, Robert. I came as fast as I could.
>So this is the plan... Uncle Tzimisce.
>Lets get this party started. Removing the evil Tzigger spirit from a Cainite is as hard as removing fleas from a Gangrel's hair. We must use these tools that St. Leopold has given us to fight the Tziggers. Sanity pills, Red glasses, a book about common decency. These things strike revulsion at the Tzigger's Heart. An eviction notice! Avoid conversation with the Tzigger. The Tzigger will lie. The Tzigger will make excuses. He will spill Sabbat bullshit he doesnt really believe. If he get's really desperate, he will start fleshcrafting and growing appendages... Oh yes, there's a powerful Tziggetry at work here

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>>98855614
Watching and working on calculating the optimal price of stability

>>98855060
>sexual abuse victim troons out

Did WW realize how based they were being when they wrote this character?

This a good general thank you for the replies.
>>98849629
>>98849672
Revised is actually kino as fuck, Very evocative modern setting and i think the street level focus makes magic a lot more interesting. 2e is a bit of a clunky read though, not as sharp as revised but it's not bad by any means, just ok. It didnt seem very sure on what it was.

None of the other books sold me as hard on the premise of the game as Revised. I'm sorry 20th-heads but that shit was self-felliating to a nauseating degree. Its already a bit of a "pretentious" setting, the authorial voice didn't help.

>>98849631
>Sorcerers Crusade
I'll have to give this one a gleam later. VDA is my favorite white wolf game, the historical stuff is too good. Though from what I heard of Ars Magica that may be a better historical wizard game?
>>98849685
Not really what I was looking for but very helpful for if I ever run the game, thank you. I dont think my regular irl group would ever want to play it sadly, so it'll stay in my head as my white whale game for now.

>>98855695
>I'll have to give this one a gleam later. VDA is my favorite white wolf game, the historical stuff is too good. Though from what I heard of Ars Magica that may be a better historical wizard game?
nta. completely different setting and time period

ars magica is set slightly before the dark age games but it's not really wod anymore while sorcerer crusade is set in the 15th century and it makes very good use of the setting

the order of reason is full of clock work punk kino while most of the traditions are just backward enough to really feel outdated compared to the commoners at the time

ars magica i love but it's a very different game it's very crunchy in that everything has pages upon pages of rules. It's very estate and politics in addition to magic and it's not a game where everyone can even in theory learn everything because beside the hermetic magic most stuff is limited to sub-splats, cults, factions etc which are all shattered across books so while i love the game it's rather high effort in comparision to just jumping to another wod game or mage edition

there is also dark age mage which is wod and has a magic system i know some people prefer to either but it's trying to fill a hole left by ars magica with two books that are more like one and a half books so it never really spoke to me

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>>98855614
Go away, dirty commoner/mortal.

Starting VtMB again, recs on clan?

>>98855890
Toreador

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>>98855619
>turns out it was a shadow lord who had the rite of conquest performed on him
>takes over your body
>mfw

>>98855890
Tremere

>>98855890
Nosferatu, see how far you can push your luck just ducking away from people before the alarm goes off instead of going through the sewers.

>>98855890
Whichever one you haven't played.

Failing that, some very fun builds IMO are
>Tanktrue
Self-explanatory, Fortitude + even a little bit of Presence can make you nigh-unkillable in the late-game combat slogs, and can work with either guns or melee. Ventrue have Dominate as well for stealth and certain dialogue checks, so it's very well-rounded albeit exp-heavy.

>Gunslinger Toreador
Definitely centered around making the endgame combat gauntlets suck less, Celerity + Auspex + Guns can genuinely make the game's combat not suck, although now it's essentially a bullet time power fantasy. Can result in some funny physics, one time I hit a piece of debris at a weird angle with Celerity 5 active and sent myself flying into a wall at mach 2, killing myself instantly.

>Druid Gangrel
How to play Gangrel when you hate how Protean Claws feel. Animalism is a surprisingly good casting discipline (both for killing and sneaking) and the Fortitude can make you tanky enough to get up to some bullshit.

>>98855921
It helps that the game also gives you up to three free points in guns if you know what to look for.

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>>98855648
I promise.
>overdoses on vitae and starts dancing energetically

>>98855968
I ship Shark (anon? Or is it his character?) with Bakeslave.

It’s a nice mix of femboy and femdom

>>98855643
>Normies being creeped out by their Avatar
This is why mass Ascension will never be possible. The Hollow Ones are right.

>>98855958
whad do i look for?

>>98856157
https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Skill_Books
https://vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Teachers
Or in this case, grab the book from Carson's room to get your first or second dot free. Do Romero's stuff to get either your third or fourth for free and find the book in the Society of St Leopold base for the fifth dot free. Of course you need Research to read the skill books so Academics is your god stat (helps that it also boosts Persuasion) and Intelligence will pay for itself.

>Everyone’s laughing at the scrawny goth kid with no reflection until he punches their head clean off

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>>98849361
>tq
Haven't gotten the dots yet but, My mage has spent a concerning amount of time working to gain piloting dots for the F22 raptor. I've done everything but the actual training and rebuilding the jet he coopted from a pentex associated mage group we defeated.

It's both a whim, and a throughline to my tech mage's pilot father.

>>98855898
Might be the only time you got that dog in you though

>>98855921

I did that gun Toreador on my first playthrough and it was hilarious, can recommend.

What kind of research do you do before running a game in a real life location, especially one that you've never been to?

>>98856085
More of a ENF guy myself, but I can see the appeal of bakeslave being drained by a psycho in the amazon position

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>>98849361

I once ran a Celestial Choruster Mage with True Faith and who used an M1911 as a "Justice Blade".

"Justice Blade", for those who are unaware, is a charm that when used, will add damage dice to a weapon's damage against the target for which is was blessed to be used against, and will remove the same amount of damage dice against anyone else.

MY "Justice M1911", normally in-game, did five die worth of damage. However, the charm cast on it was only for one specific person - the man who killed my mentor. He received five extra dice of damage if I attacked him with it, and everyone else received five less.

This effectively negated the damage of the weapon on anyone but the person to whom I had vowed revenge.

However, I did not know the man that had killed my mentor - this weapon had been turned into a charm in a fit of post-murder grief and rage. The man who killed my mentor could be *anyone*.

So naturally, having a weapon that could only hurt the one person I truly wanted hurt, I went around shooting as many people as I could get away with it, "just to be sure". Made for a great interrogation tool.

>>98855695
>None of the other books sold me as hard on the premise of the game as Revised.
Politely, Revised just sold you on Revised. Its vision of Mage the Ascension is way more narrow and way less open than any other edition, but that sounds like that might've been what you were looking for.

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>>98856085
>>98856583
He cant have him! He is mine!

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>>98856636
A mage running around ineffectually shooting EVERYONE is hilarious. Stop running. You did good. I'm going to bed.

I just watched The Lazarus Effect. It could easily inspire a chronicle for either Orpheus or Deviant: the Renegades.

>>98854741
>I have a changeling game tomorrow so no tomorrow
Be sure to tell us everything!

>>98855302
https://youtu.be/KR7Lv8XZtkk?si=6TjXEByyIHj0CxQH

Are old clan tziggers just ad bad as нoви tziggers?

>>98857083
-old tzigger without koldun: just some boring blokes
-old tzigger with koldun: bargain bin tremere

>>98857107
OG dracula is not boring blegh
Also whatabout old clan tziggers who raid chantries and dominate tremores who usurp thaumaturgy? Going full circle on their thieving asses.

>>98856636
Great job

I should play a Hakken one of these days, Samurai werewolves sound fucking badass

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Out of these, do you think vampires are more from Mesopotamia or the Nile Valley?

>>98857405
Mesopotamia 100%

>>98857405
I believe Enoch is generally considered to be in Mesopotamia and thus Caine aswell..?

>>98857405
>>98857406
Seconding Mesopotamia.

Assyrians be like:
“I flayed as many nobles as had rebelled against me [and] draped their skins over the pile [of corpses]; some I spread out within the pile, some I erected on stakes upon the pile ... I flayed many right through my land [and] draped their skins over the walls.”

“I felled 50 of their fighting men with the sword, burnt 200 captives from them, [and] defeated in a battle on the plain 332 troops. ... With their blood I dyed the mountain red like red wool, [and] the rest of them the ravines [and] torrents of the mountain swallowed. I carried off captives [and] possessions from them. I cut off the heads of their fighters [and] built [therewith] a tower before their city. I burnt their adolescent boys [and] girls.”

“In strife and conflict I besieged [and] conquered the city. I felled 3,000 of their fighting men with the sword ... I captured many troops alive: I cut off of some their arms [and] hands; I cut off of others their noses, ears, [and] extremities. I gouged out the eyes of many troops. I made one pile of the living [and] one of heads. I hung their heads on trees around the city.”

Albert Kirk Grayson, Assyrian Royal Inscriptions, Part 2: From Tiglath-pileser I to Ashur-nasir-apli II (Wiesbaden, Germ.: Otto Harrassowitz, 1976), pp. 124–127.
Also check out:
https://www.thecollector.com/assyrian-torture-methods/

>>98857428
Why the fuck did anyone ever surrender in times where this was how they got treated after?

>>98857432
Somebody definitely wasn't telling all those young men what the enemy does to the captives.
They had a tiny chance of mercy against certain death and I think they feared the latter the most. I just think many of those victims didn't exactly surrender but were non-fatally injured or otherwise "defeated in combat", i.e. disarmed and dragged away by multiple men or whatever.

>>98857432
Assyrians weren't the norm for the time and region and them acting like chaos cultists is what caused them to fall too

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>>98857083
>>98857244
dracula in-universe isn't a old clan and neither can you replicate most of what dracule does in the novel with the old clan powerset

dracule is member of the old-clan faction not the bloodline of the bloodline we only have two actual members in the book. pic related from the true black hand book and the caitiff larper in hunters hunted 2 who figured out how to embrace caitiff on purpose without involving another vampire and fun fact isobel aka pic related is on the path of lilith so 100% of the old clan who have statblocks are on the path of lilith

so the answer is yes

>>98857541
for some reason my phone auto corrected Irina into isobel to be a bit less snarky

these guys are the only ones who not only been okay with hanging out with baali, but joined them because they considered that to be the right thing to emulate their ante

>As the central core of the Order of Moloch, the Old Clan carry on the Eldest’s example
they are most certainly wrong about that as they are with most things relating to the eldest because the thing that got the eldest killed by samiel was that he send troops to support the anti baali war effort but didn't bother to have atleast one guy who is somewhat normal at the front to explain themselves

and v20's writers also confused old clan faction and old clan bloodline they mention in the true black hand book that the bloodline is centered around the Oradea League, but all characters we see from the Oradea League before v20 been normal tzimisce who belonged to the old clan faction and the league is trying to keep a time and lifestyle alive from when the old clan already left the main clan so i am not suprised people get confused by it if even onyx path can't be bothered to do more than wiki surf

>>98857541
>dracula in-universe isn't a old clan and neither can you replicate most of what dracule does in the novel with the old clan powerset
Well yeah, half of his stuff in the novel was from going to evil wizard school on top of being a vampire, wasn't it?

The differences between VtDA and VtM seem tiny. Abilities are different, the default generation is twelth, the Assamites haven't had their clan weakness overridden with a curse yet, the Malks haven't had their signature Discipline overridden with a curse yet, Cappadocians haven't been decimated yet. Salubri are already fucked though.
Anything I'm overlooking?

>>98857432
The idea is that you stop revolts from happening in the first place.

>>98857590
yes the big thing he learned at scholomance was weather control and it's kinda unclear what of his powers are from being a wizard and what are from being possessed by a demon as other vampires in the book are for more basic

dracula in vtm would need pretty much need thaum especially for summoning mists and wall crawling, protean for turning into animals and mist, obfuscate to make himself look younger, animalism, potence, celerity and dominate

in general shapeshifting into animals was something very common for gothic vampires which makes the fact that protean is a clan unqiue discipline and something that is characterized as being something mostly just feral-ish vampires learn to be kinda weird. Carmilla for example turned into a mean and ugly black cat something that you would need to be gangrel for in vtm

>>98857618
Humans haven't really gotten smarter at all, have they?

>>98857604
some disciplines have some different powers. serpentis is pretty much a different discipline after the first two dots

beside that most differences come from dav20 which is different from both dark age vampire and v20 because it was published after onyx path got into their heards that 20th edition shouldn't just be a collection of old material

>>98857618
the assyrians got fucked over by frequent revolts so hard that one of them kinda (there was also a invasion at the same time) conquered and ended their empire

so that was a shit idea

>>98857649
I'm pretty sure that was after a chain of retarded self-sabotaging daddy issue kings who either wanted to outdo their fathers, undo everything their fathers did, or double-down on everything that their fathers did.

>>98857665
>a chain of retarded self-sabotaging daddy issue kings who either wanted to outdo their fathers, undo everything their fathers did, or double-down on everything that their fathers did.
but that's the norm for monarchies your system needs to account for that

>>98857649
>so that was a shit idea
It can be shit. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The most important element of that is knowing when to go balls to the wall cruel and when to step back and take a more reasonable approach. 'Example making' still happens all the time even in 'civilized' modern societies, the shape just changed. And so did the frequency, of course - but terror is an innate aspect of empire. You can't both be an expansionist power against peoples outside of your culture group and also be relatively benign. You must be forceful.

>>98857668
When Sargon the Second died in battle and was believed to be left unburied, his heir Sennacherib was so terrified of being haunted by his father's angry ghost that he abandoned the capitol city of Ashur and ordered the construction of an entirely new capitol city on the settlement of Nineveh, which had to be superior in every way. Bigger walls, bigger roads, bigger, bigger, bigger, with no record within it that his father ever existed within its walls, in order to deny the ghost of Sargon II any power over him.
Less than a hundred years later, Nineveh fell precisely because everything about it was so big that it was indefensible, because the Assyrians never conceived that they could actually ever be fighting a defensive war. Gates and roads built for victory processions and festivals were so wide that they couldn't actually be sealed to deny invaders access to the city.
We're talking about some pretty big retardation.

>>98857541
If you want to replicate Dracula's power set you need to use Requiem's or Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom take on Protean.

>>98857604
Humanity not being the universal default.

>>98857853
it is still the default it's just that the others are still accepted

a neonate embraced in the dark ages still starts on the path of humanity and need to be bought down to humanity 1 or 3 depending on edition to follow a path

>>98857107
>Clan copyright infringement calling anyone bargain bin

>>98857867
Oh, that was a Revised change. You could pick your road completely freely (subject to storyteller approval) at creation in DA 2e.

>>98857867
>>98857901
yeah revised fucking hated paths. they even made path followers a minority in the sabbat and stated in their book about paths (chaining the beast) that every path follower is secretly misserable and knows that they are a loser who couldn't make it on humanity

>>98857921
As if we needed more evidence that Revised was the misery porn edition that wanted to punish anyone who dared to play vampions.

>>98850895
Honestly, what's the point of adding the umbra and all that shit when you're gonna axe it anyway? Do they hate it when people have fun or something?

>>98857998
>Do they hate it when people have fun or something?
Yes. but also the people who wrote revised and 1e mage are mostly different folks

Bill Bridges is the name of the guy who was behind mage revised and mage toj and he couldn't write a end times plot without fucking up mages and the umbra so he banned mages from the umbra

not saying that this is a good thing before someone jumps me again i am more of a 2e guy in general when it comes to owod but that's why he did that

>>98857946
yeah chaining the beast also gave people derangments for being on low humanity that don't go away when you start following a path so by that every path follower should have around 3 derangments and be madder than the average malkavian

it's a weird read of a book, because the first chapter is completely missery porn but the rest of the book is one of the more in depth writting on paths and how they exist in the world in all of wod and is completely missing the missery porn of the first chapter so it ready like the author wrote a book but then the revised police needed to tell you that fun and philosophy is bad mkay

>>98857405
the true black hand plotline had the first city in some mountains between the territories of the assamites and setites

gehenna has the second city be in iran and the mummy book mentions that it's outside of egypt but that horus knows where it is

so all points towards mesopotamia

Okay so how exactly do Talismans work and how do you "build" them? I know they have a different cost if you take the Talisman as a background rather than as a merit, and that you can give certain Spheres, Arete, and Quint too to the Talisman, but what exactly gives the power ceiling? Is a 5 dot Talisman capable of having a 5 dot Sphere? What about Arete?

Anyone got the banality chart?

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>>98857083
>>98857107
>>98857541
>>98857576
Ok so lemme see if I got this straight. We've got:
Old Clan Tzimisce - Group who thinks of themselves as the chosen of the eldest as they were there when Kupala was unbound and think the rest of the clan is fodder for the eldest
Old Clan Tzimisce - Bloodline in the True Black Hand who shuns using Vicissitude because they think it's a conscious umbral virus/eldest AIDS and cope by thinking not using it is enough when they're already infected
Old Clan Tzimisce - Kolduns
Old Clan Tzimisce - Tzimisce who stayed in the Carpathians and didn't align themselves with the Sabbat
And these are all different groups that may or may not overlap. Any other Old Clan Tzimisce I should know about?

Who is the most wanked clan.
More recently seems to be the Brujah

>>98858760
Tremere
>>98858556
https://wod-dusk.fandom.com/wiki/Banality

Hedgefag is a power bottom right

>>98858742
Pretty much. Old Clan Tzimisce is a meaningless term because it can mean a bunch of different things.

>>98858760
Post V5 definitely the Brujah. Pre V5? Assamites no contest. I think the Tremere wank is a little overblown and more fueled by hatred for Achilli than anything else.

The Assamites on the other hand get an entire geopolitical region as their own playground, a region that should be pretty important to vampirism, but isn't because it being Assamitetown makes it exceedingly boring. Oh, and they also are actually three clans in an overcoat because their concept is so narrow we invented two more and bolted them on haphazardly. An entire region gummed up by sanctimonious murderous dickheads, constantly jerked off by writers.

>>98858898

Can the Assamites be the most wanked clan when no one gave a shit about them, and they were a one-trick joke for most early editions? A wanked clan suggests the one that gets the most easy wins and is portrayed as most "right". The Assamites went from NPC baddies to an unclear mess. If anything it was V5 that tried to push them as a more mainstream playable clan and part of the Cammies.

>>98858742
>And these are all different groups that may or may not overlap. Any other Old Clan Tzimisce I should know about?
acording to transilvania by night every tzimisce who is not partaking in the current clan culture and politics is a "old clan tzimisce" in the eyes of the tzimisce and some flat out just call elders that predate the sect that even when they are in the sabbat

further mudding the water is that several tzimisce in the dark age appropriated the term koldun to sound exotic to non carpathian cainites who would hire them as advisors because of that con so this
>Old Clan Tzimisce - Kolduns
group can also include normal tzimisce without sorcery

>>98858912
nta but assamites fluff is full about them bragging about having wiped out cities of cainites before and pretty much always winning

v20 even tries to frame the tremere curse as something they let happen just because the assamites can't be seen losing as that would be racist i guess

>>98858912
I'm going off of authorial wank, because everyone had their own pet clan they like to wank and we don't have any hard data for tables. Only a vague online consensus that can be very distorted by loud and silent parts of the fanbase.

>>98858924
>>98858925

Fair enough, I guess I always just saw the Assamites as inconsequential between being scary vampire-killing-vampires.

What's the least wanked clan authorially then? The Ravnos cuz they nuked them? Or the Setites because they come off as sort of losers outside of the specific context of Egypt?

>>98858742
sometimes the tremere just call the tzimisce "the old clan" when they are trying to be polite about it so old clan tzimisce when you are in a camarilla city can refer to the entire clan

>>98858934
setites can't be the weakest because in egpyt they beat the shit out of all other clans combined

ravnos also stalemated both other cainites and the kuei jin in india

gangrel perhaps? the mongolians consider themselves to be a bloodline despite having the same discipline (the books are inconsitent on if they have a different weakness), they lost to the ventrue in scandinavia and rome and in modern nights their justicar got so scared by a guy empowered by a 4th gen that he had his entire clan leave the camarilla because he was sure that must have been a 3rd gen

Why do the Hermetics struggle working together? It seems the Tremere were the only ones among them who could work together … and they became vampires.

>>98858965
because the tremere been the order and logistic house of the order (for real the house and clan symbol is meant to evoke the streets of rome) and they just never replaced them

even in ars magica the order was pants on heads retarded unless the tremere been involved like they nearly lost the war against the house díedne before the tremere showed up and asked them why House Flambeau and Tytalus didn't have rank in their army or supply lines

they always been the least magical house after house mercere who they worked with a lot but the house most interested in having the order be anything but a lose alliance of scholars

>>98858934
Strong case to be made for pre-V5 Brujah. Despite the authorial bias at points, they have staggeringly few wins. What victories they do have are fleeting, and they're commonly used as catspaws by Infernalists.

I mean, they were one of the clans that started the original anarch revolt, but then over half the clan pussied out and unironically joined with the Ventrue. So the Lasombra and Tzimisce got to eat the lunch that the Brujah helped prepare, with the remaining Brujah Antitribu largely relegated to shock troops.

>>98858934
>>98858954
Setites are really weird, because they've got a mixed record against other vampires in Egypt (at various times they've been colonized by Lasombra, Ventrue, Assamites, or an assortment of clans, though none ever fully dislodged them from Egypt). But in cross-splat, they're utterly unstoppable, beating the brakes off of shapeshifter-mummy alliances on the reg.

>>98858965
Their whole magical system is designed around magical diversity under one magical system and supremacy through the spheres. But also there's only ONE way to do magic and if you're part of Our House then you're doing magic THIS way as tradition commands

Disagreements are settled with Certamen, instead of actually talking about issues.

>>98859168
>Setites are really weird, because they've got a mixed record against other vampires in Egypt (at various times they've been colonized by Lasombra, Ventrue, Assamites, or an assortment of clans, though none ever fully dislodged them from Egypt). But in cross-splat, they're utterly unstoppable, beating the brakes off of shapeshifter-mummy alliances on the reg.

that's somewhat explained as the setites only having one set of leaders under Set and no real replacements for when those guys go into topor a problem and before someone asks the tremere did not have to face that yet simply because they weren't old enough yet as you need to be 1024 to get on the big boy setite table and the clan tremere as a whole is only getting there in 20 years

setites should have set up a circle like they do in underworld/ the invictus in vtr

>>98858965
High levels of individualism and a focus on personal excellence, even contributions to the system are framed as a contest of merit, such as who has the most Awakened apprentices or the most talented Awakened apprentices. The foundation of the Order of Hermes is the pursuit of excellence rather than any collective goal, with the founding of the organisation being little more than an reluctant agreement between powerful wizards to share knowledge with each other for mutual benefit.

Tremere take this structure and improve on it with the Pyramid and the elaborate chain of blood bonds to ensure loyalty to the system and one's superiors. Without it, they'd also be a gaggle of dickass blood mages out for themselves.

>>98859168

I think this is an important distinction is just as much, if not more, about how something is written about as much as what is accomplished. "Weaker" factions can be heavily wanked if their weakness is portrayed as them punching up and making a valiant stand.

With that in mind I'd agree pre-V5 (not that I know much about V5) Brujah are pretty un-wanked, in that they are often treated as a joke or ineffective at baseline, often relegated to the role of mooks or pawns. It's constantly hammered in that they are mostly "rabble"

>>98855921
>>98859278

On these two notes, any recommendation on playing a Brujah in Bloodlines? I think that was my one playthrough that stalled, in that it was fun and potent in early game to be smashing face, but it really seemed to fall off.

How do you measure up Melee vs Brawl in that game? And out of all their combat disciplines which is actually the most important?

>>98859295
brawl does bashing damage and because of that is garbage unless you are a gangrel and like the claws for some reason

melee is worse than firearms later but you can get a true black hand katana that does agg damage which kills pretty much everything in the hands of a brujah

>>98859295
Celerity matters more than Potence, because it gives you similar DPS increase (more hits = more damage) while also providing defense. Potence can have annoying anti-synergy with melee when it sends your target flying. This is mitigated in the endgame when you have so much celerity you can beat your target to their landing spot, or combo someone else while they're still flying.

Brujah is a very "vanilla" playthrough. I'd recommend Melee just for the late game huge DPS spike via the Tal'mahe'ra blade, but Brawl is fine and much cheaper exp wise due to the many free bonuses you can get to it. Both builds might struggle with Ming-Xiao but otherwise shouldn't have too much trouble in the lategame combat gauntlets. You also don't need to spend too much exp on combat until hollywood since you can kinda brute force the combat until that point.

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>>98856982
My players (I Storytell the game) basically party-wiped themselves.

They were two changelings who were fresh characters, having gained a total of 3 XP across the sessions, and they fought a Soulless changeling balanced to be at roughly the same power level as a player character.

Now, the fight wasn't the problem. Oh no, the problem was the aftermath.

See, the motley's Elemental had suffered 6 lethal damage from a lucky hit by the Soulless's spear and was incapacitated, but they managed to deal enough Willpower damage to incapacitate the Soulless as well, allowing for an easy kill.

Then the Ogre healed the Elemental and ripped the spear, still lodged in the Elemental's chest, out again, dealing another 5 lethal damage and instantly killing the Elemental.

This, of course, caused an immediate breaking point, which dealt 4 Severe Clarity damage, dropping the Ogre to 0 Clarity and sending him into a coma now alone and stuck in a dream.

And all of this happened in the Hedge.

I could only observe the thing from the sides in sheer bewilderment as it all happened

>>98859295
Brawl is only ever useful for reducing the feed resist of enemies. Gangrel's claws are bad because they have absurdly bad animation, first hit isn't fast and second and third hit hitboxes are garbage so you'll miss
Swords are great in VtM:B because of the first hit animation. With Brujah, with Potence and Celerity activated and constantly spamming the first hit of a sword attack you'll melt through enemies

>>98858898
>>98858777
>>98858760
I'm out of the loop. Explain Brujah wank

>>98859346
Oof. Are they going to reroll new characters?

>>98859612
Yup
chances are we are going to swap storytellers so I get to play now

>>98859607
Something something not having the entire clan exterminated after daring to shoot Harlestadt.

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>>98858898
>Assamites on the other hand get an entire geopolitical region as their own playground, a region that should be pretty important to vampirism
See this is something I feel they could use. Cairo by Night didn't go too in depth as far as I could tell since it's the border of Snaketown bordering Assamite town rather than the full on arab/holy land regions, and I haven't read DA Jerusalem by Night, but I feel like the answer to "why are the mysteries of noddism and the biblical regions not further explored by these immortal beings?" could easily be "because there are a bunch of crazy cannibal towelheads who like LARPing as the old man of the mountain". Assamites could easily find more identity as the self-appointed guardians of the old ruins while the Nagaraja keep the actual ghost city. Before they got nuked anyways.

>>98859607
Oh it is me the TRV BRVJAH of Olde, Let me explain how moving fast enough causes you to time travel. No we aren't going to go save Carthrage. I SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO SAVE OLDE CARTHRAGE.
pls believe me

>>98858007
They just couldn't have mages not be miserable like all the other splats.

>>98859636
It's still boring as hell to have a single clan dominate the word count and politics of an entire region, no matter how many times you rewrite them. This is the reason the Assamites still suck after three rewrites. Their original concept was fine, but Bloodline tier. It does not have the legs required to carry a narrative, and even other clans heavily associated with a region manage to have it carved up with other clans to create an actually interesting patchwork.

Take the Tzimisce of Carpathia. There's also a ton of Ventrue, Tremere, Gangrel, and Nosferatu even in their heartland. And they're not all vassals, in fact two of those are outright enemies. That's interesting. The Assamites are a black hole whose existence swallows every potential interesting plot hook that could be set in the region. Cut them down to a small hostile faction that doesn't hold every domain like the Setites and things improve by 300%. Cut them down to a hostile glorified bloodline and it improves 500%.

>>98859607
V5 tends to promote Anarchs as the protagonist faction of the edition, with Brujah as the face of the sect like Ventrue are the face of the Camarilla. V5 tries very hard to push the Anarchs as a valid alternative to the Camarilla, which means pushing the Brujah as well, even though they're mechanically one of the worst clans of V5. The biggest example of this is the most famous Camarilla loyalist Brujah, Theo Bell, suddenly turning Anarch out of nowhere and murdering the two most important Ventrue NPCs in the world during negotiations between the Camarilla and Anarchs.

While V5 Anarchs have almost as many clans as V5 Camarilla (if you count caitiff and thinbloods as clans) people still tend to see Brujah as the Anarch clan, so all of the V5 Anarch circle-jerking is also attributed to the Brujah.

>>98859702
How the hell are Brujah allowed to be in the camarilla after that stunt? That shit would basically kill any and all diplomacy between the two groups

>>98859721
>How the hell are Brujah allowed to be in the camarilla after that stunt?
They're not.
V5 Camarilla is:
>Malkavian
>Nosferatu
>Toreador
>Tremere
>Ventrue
>Banu Haqim
>Lasombra
V5 Anarchs are:
>Brujah
>Gangrel
>Ministry
>Tzimisce
>Caitiff
>Thin-bloods

>>98859730
Ah my mistake

>>98859687
Oh and while I'm ranting about the Assamites, might as well throw this in. Tziggers have broods beyond even the European ones. India and Sub-Saharan Africa at the least, to say nothing of New World Tziggers. There's plenty of Setites all over the place, even a weird breakaway bloodline in the Caribbean.

But when's the last time you heard of an Assamite from a non-middle eastern and/or non-muslim country, whose sire wasn't from the middle east or a muslim? Maybe a few Assamite Antitribu, but even they tend to be very Tariq Jamal Al-Zuttibad. It's just boring at worst, annoying at best. Diablerie crazy vampire cult that hates other vampires is a fine concept for a minor clan of largely antagonistic vampires. Making them into a big deal Clan with hegemony over an entire region creates a tremendous roadblock to fun.

>>98859730
Thats not even true. The way v5 is set up, pretty much everyone is in every sect with exception of the lasombra / assamites going to the camarilla and tzimisce / setites going to the anarchs. The majority of brujah are with the anarchs but that doesnt mean there are no brujah in the camarilla.

>>98859775
In which case, there's no such thing as Camarilla clans in any edition because every "Camarilla clan" has Sabbat antitribu.

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CofDbros:
I know mixing major and minor splats is bad, wrong, and immoral - but have you ever done so?
Did you turn the minor splats into merits like WoD does?

>>98859244
So the Setites are straight fucked if someone bumps off one or two of the Hierophants?

>>98859274
>Tremere take this structure and improve on it with the Pyramid and the elaborate chain of blood bonds to ensure loyalty to the system and one's superiors. Without it, they'd also be a gaggle of dickass blood mages out for themselves.
The Pyramid is just counterbalancing the innate vampire drive to go mememememe

>>98859640
>we are not going to save Carthage
Isn't that just "we've repeatedly tried saving our Ante and lost several 4th gens each time"?

>>98859813
depends on the Hierophants as nobody seemed to care when Nefertiti went undercover in germany for centuries while Nakhthorheb managed to dismantel the entire ossarian league after horus' first death and kept the anarch revolt out of egypt but in general yeah. might have to be more than one or two but if too many of them are gone or asleep then the founding temples become rival factions instead of pillars that hold up the whole clan (in egypt)

>>98859730
anarchs don't actually always allow thinblood and there is a thinblood only movement that clashes mostly with anarchs because they don't know how to find camarilla vampires

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>>98859737
>even other clans heavily associated with a region manage to have it carved up with other clans to create an actually interesting patchwork.
No I'm with you, clan region lock is stupid, that's why people and me dislike the Kuei-Jin. Egypt is Setite City but it's still chock full of interclan and intersplat conflict. And wasn't Malkav buried under Jerusalem as the reason the region is so full of kine conflict? I don't think it's any stretch of the imagination to make the place full of conflicting ideologies and bloodlines, I just Assamites should have a bigger grasp than anyone over the secrets there, for which they will (mostly) strike any intruders and unworthy*, making it dangerous and difficult to establish a meaningful foothold.

The fundamental problem with them isn't their dominion over important to noddism regions IMO. It's their inconsistency where they have like 5 different weaknesses, 3 castes, 3 quietus, blood sorcery, factions within factions, and conspiracies within conspiracies. There's a good foundation there and I like The Schism but in an attempt at writing nuance to fight off imaginary racism they just made them needlessly convoluted. What should've been an easy Assassin's Creed vampires with zeal-themed horror just locked them into their perceived arab/muslim/exotic orient identity.

I think Ravnos are worse.

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>>98860076

I think there's a really cool germ of an idea in the Ravnos with their old weakness where they were kind of an anti-Gangrel (suitable given their rivalry). Where the Beast of the Gangrel is the most animalistic of the Vampires, the Beast of the Ravnos is the most human, in that it leads them into very human temptations. And having some sort of illusion powers does then gel nicely with the theme of human fantasies and desires.

The weird thing is that they tried to fix the issues with the Ravnos by doing a bunch of extra stuff with the Indian part of the clan... which they were gonna nuke anyways?

And then the V5 change of the weakness basically makes them set as NPCs because it makes it more a pain in the ass to incorporate them into a particular setting.

(If they didn't want that weakness, its weird they didn't go for the actual mullo deal of having 1 particular weird physical oddity but whatever)

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>>98856085
>>98856583
>>98856807
I picked the wrong time to get back into minecraft. I am flattered but I am not really into woofs like that.

Thinking about it, what splat has the most bratty switches?