>Be Games Workshop.>Have your initial writers create backstory for the Chaos Gods that portray them as eldritch abominations with plenty of nuance and aspects to them.>Have your later writers discard the other aspects of the Chaos Gods and write their followers as Saturday morning villains.Of all the characters in Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the Chaos Gods suffer from flanderization the most. Especially Khorne since war isn't just about bloodshed and violence.
>>98866382Chaos can have nuance, and it can be Saturday morning villains. Chaos contains multitudes.
>>98866415True, but the nuanced part (and since the Chaos Gods do have other underused aspects) tends to be discarded in favor of flanderized Saturday Morning Villains when it comes to Chaos.Khorne and Slaanesh suffer from this a lot but the other two Chaos Gods (Nurgle and Tzeentch do have flanderization problems as well.
>>98866382I got a better one.Also, chaos drools, Imperium Rules.
>>98866382>>98866424I think you are really overestimating how "nuanced" they were presented since even in that time they did have some it was only a very brief mentioned out of pages describing them as overlly edgy versionf of Saturday morning cartoon villians
>>98866382The chaos gods were already flanderized bro they're a ripoff the the lords of higher worlds from Elric.
The chaos gods, as another anon mentioned, where ripped off from Elric novels. They morphed quickly though as a parody of the types of players who play GW games.Khorne = the rage quittersSlaneesh = the coomers who want to greenstuff boobs and dicks onto everything.Nurgle = the sweaty obese neckbeards who stink out the shopTzeentch = the tournament autists who constantly chase the next rule or update they can exploit for a win..
Is it possible for you to restate your complaint without using Ned Flanders as a verb?
>>98866787This would be funnier without the chaos runes, they’re redundant with the color-coding.
>>98866382Not exactly the same gripe but reasonably similar: I dislike how 'present' the gods in general have become. I prefer them as forces from the beyond, acting through their agents or vague miracles according to their domains, but always being left unseen and largely unfathomable. Not to say they can't have distinctive traits or an agenda, but I don't like the idea of them just straight up becoming characters. It's fine for them to act like people as part of in-universe myths, but the more they are treated like actual events the less I like it. Avatars are fine too, so long as they're distinct people acting as an embodiment or representative. Sadly for me, late WH/End Times had gods intervening directly time and time again, fighting and being defeated, evacuating people, possessing bodies, etc. Then by the time of Age of Sigmar they're just short of being the protagonists.40k doesn't really suffer much from this problem, though it kind of exists in a another form through Primarchs coming back and hogging the spotlight. However, at least in their case they were always characters in the world, and the traitor primarchs do fill the role as agents for their gods.
>>98866382I remember when the Chaos Gods were not 100% evilest evil, when they have positive traits since they were just a reflection of Mankind psyche, therefore capable of the best and worst things: >Khorne, god of honor and military camaraderie, patron of soldiers>Tzeentch, god of hope, innovation, evolution and progress, patron of scientists>Nurgle, god of life, growth, acceptance, patron of elders and garderners>Slaanesh, god of creativity, imagination, arts, patron of artists It's funny how GW and many "nufans" want to find something hellish about the Imperium because "muh complexity", but they can't or not want to find something "wholesome" about Chaos in the actual lore (aka, beyond memes).
>>98867509>It's funny how GW and many "nufans" want to find something hellish about the Imperium because "muh complexity", but they can't or not want to find something "wholesome" about Chaos in the actual lore (aka, beyond memes).Honestly it seems like way more of the opposite, where they try to justify every evil of the Imperium with the excuse that Chaos is "worse".
>>98866382You don't want nuance. You would have to read to get nuance and you clearly don't do that. All of the subtle tendrils and corruption is still there you just don't read any of the material. Instead deciding to be mad about fluff for a game you don't even play. Go read any of the Red Path or Eater of Worlds. I picked a random page from a random short in the series and here we have the legion aware of is decay and trying to maintain honour and loyalty while being blood thirsty corrupted souls. Whole series is littered with this sort of thing. All the books are. There's an entire series about Fabuis Bile and the different ways Slaanesh and choas effect people. You niggers just don't read. >>98867509>>98867952>The throw away bits from whfb from before you were even born >"lore" fake grog bullshit >mixed with /pol/ bullshit Whenever you have to type "honestly" we know you're being a liar.
>>98866382>Bot got trained on TVTL M A OOL
>>98866415People getting mad at the chaos gods not always being portrayed as super serious forget that the orcs exist and are the way they are.
>>98868339Yeah and orcs are the worst part of both 40K and FB and ruin the mood
>>98868367>ruin the moodThat's like being mad at Jedi for ruining the hard scifi setting you want star wars to be. fucking weirdo
>>98868367Orcs and Orks were there before chaos even if you want to pretend >muh nuance was only a thing of the past you fake grog.
>>98866382Remember when Khorne's bloodhounds would hunt down those who spill the blood of innocents in his name? Pepperidge farm remembers.
>>98867232Pretty sure he was referring to the geographical region in Belgium, not to the Simpsons character. Chaos gods are being flanderized, ie. made more gay over time just like the region of Flanders is becoming more Belgian, that is to say, becoming more gay over time.
>>98868290How am I being a liar?Sure the Black Library wanks itself over the tragedy of Chaos, but that's cheap Pathos.Meanwhile half the fandom would have you believe there is nothing wrong with complete Xenocide.
>>98867232...anon.I sincerely hope you are trolling. -10 faith in humanity/10 made me reply
>>98868647By knowingly being wrong and misrepresenting things to post gooner bait and /lpol/ shit. You can't even deal with direct evidence posted that contradicts your insane internal narrative.
>>98866382Sorry anon, the need to bend the knee to mother groups, moralizers and above all advertisers and credit card companies will continue rendering Chaos ever more sanitized, safe, inoffensive and sterile going forward.
>>98868800At least we can buy recasts of older modelsI'm currently planning a slaanesh army based on the 2002 models
>>98868754You sound like you would have a heart attack looking at a woman's knees
>>98868822I wonder how he feels about Lucius Loli-Daemon Host...
>>98868822>>98868845Nah, you just don't have any argument or point you just want to shit and piss and lie about being wrong.
>>98868754Moralfag plz go and stay go
>>98868923>so btfo you can't even keep up with the thread and have to repeat more lies lol
>>98868494Funnily enough, the orks (spelling deliberate; I feel that the fantasy ones aren't as affected) are a much better candidate for accusations of flanderising than the Dark Gods. Both by GW (post GorkaMorka especially) and the fanbase via the usual Chinese whispers.
>>98867509Cool! Could you tell me which page that is from picrel which supports this?
>>98868961Gorkamorka was for sure this interesting point where Ork aesthetic deign was my preferred mix of goofy and violent. Its still there, especially in the bomb squig, gretchin and blood axe sort of material but it does feel less worked in. There's still lots of that when I think about it like Orkamedies or Taktikus. The bit where he's sharking the imperial commander in Enemy of my Enemy by pushing around the tank models making engine and gun noises is some great stuff. There's this weird thing where people complaining about a lack of nuance just don't bother to look, which is amusing when one thinks about it for a minute.
>>98868985not him but page 7
>>98869042Well, fuck me, I'm wrong. I really should read those things more closely...
>>98866382Idiot of the East and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity
>>98869272But adorkable Slaanesh!
>>98868290Based Fabuis Bile mentioned!
>>98869272>Idiot of the East and its consequences have been a disaster for humanityDon't forget the femboy skitarii artist. Both of them have caused the fanbase to repeat the same jokes constantly and they've gotten stale.
>>98866382Chaos Gods have always been retarded.>the setting already has Gods that already occupy the emotional profile of their respective races but um aschually Chaos Gods are l'stronger and either killed or made the other Gods irrelevant even though spilling blood should make Khaine just as pleased as it does Khorne>Chaos is basically all powerful and there's nothing you can do to really beat them if you kill them they'll just go back to Chaos worlds and then come back and they're basically numberless BUT they also haven't won yet because...they just haven't okay?!>there's no good Chaos gods because the most powerful human emotions are all l'evil even though parents have an irrational love for their children and endless optimistic baseless reality denying hope is the most prevalent human emotion but there's no Chaos God representing that because...that would just be silly okay?!Who cares what writers do with the Chaos Gods. They've always been infantile poorly thought out world building.
>>98870086>the setting already has Gods that already occupy the emotional profile of their respective races but um aschually Chaos Gods are l'stronger and either killed or made the other Gods irrelevant even though spilling blood should make Khaine just as pleased as it does KhorneLiving emotion becoming gods was pretty unique and different pantheons warring with each other is rule of cool>Chaos is basically all powerful and there's nothing you can do to really beat them if you kill them they'll just go back to Chaos worlds and then come back and they're basically numberless BUT they also haven't won yet because...they just haven't okay?!Because the chaos gods ARE the players of warhammer and 40k. We have little dudes battle for our amusement like the gods do. If they 'win' the game ends like it does for us. They enjoy the game until its time for something new, like the end times of fantasy.>>there's no good Chaos gods because the most powerful human emotions are all l'evil even though parents have an irrational love for their children and endless optimistic baseless reality denying hope is the most prevalent human emotion but there's no Chaos God representing that because...that would just be silly okay?!Chaos gods are much weaker in fantasy than 40k theres lots of good gods in fantasy.40k is grimdark because humans are fallen work drones who are pretty evil at their heart. They're parents who love their children are so few that their emotional energy is overwhelmed by the emotions that fuel the big 4 and the many other minor gods. Because its grimdark
>>98870713why is fulgrim so zesty, bros
>>98866382This is another "Khorne should be honorable" secondary spergout isn't it
>>98870713>Because the chaos gods ARE the players of warhammer and 40k.And Khorne is the god of Tsundere!
>>98868512So is this like Nurgle is trying to get Khornholed and it’s taking over the metaplot? Or is this like when I started 6th grade and my math homework became more gay over time?
>>98866415Yes but both things should reinforce each other. A Khorne Berzerker roaring "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" in absolute triumph over the corpses of orphans he just slaughtered without a hint of irony or shame is both horrifying and funny. I think GW and those hacks at BL dont understand that Warhammer, both Fantasy and 40k, is supposed to be funny too, not just grimderp. In fact, the grim darkness is the source of the humor. Very British.
>>98870713Only Angron looks cool of those. Snek Fulgirm is just fucking awful. This weird mothman Mortarion too. Magnus looks kinda cool, but idk I think he should just be like normal looking and stuff, because he was kinda tricked into becoming evil and fucking hates Tzeentch.
