Archives & Other Resources: https://rentry.co/cyoagAllsync: https://cyoa.allsync.com/s/owWor64yLTngDk3Previous thread: >>98881812>TQ: Are you doing something for the Nov 1 contest?
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>>98890452I wish there were some point-awarding drawbacks in the CYOA and a way to get fewer banes
Shogun showdown best waifu?
>>98890585You're in luck. I had some spare time today. I've got 18 Vows written up so far. I think I can fit 20 on the page.
>>98890607Orochi as she gives immortality
Spooky night soon bros
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>>98890452Build list. Yell at me if something's wrong.>ANCHORLESSMelianka the great inventor and online shitposter ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98875434Black Cat ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98875908 https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98880654Big Dick Ghost ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98876536Administrative Ghost ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98881812#98882803Free Ghost ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98879473>OBJECT (Anchor 0)Artifact Factory ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98876135>RIVER OF LIFERiver Lethe ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98875781>VACANT SHRINESoulfire Shrine ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98875992Infinite Shrine ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98876533 https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98881659Detective Shrine ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98880103Chibi Shrine ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98881812#98886160 https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98886165>ARCANE RUINSMagic City ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98876034 https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98876037 https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98881169>COGNITOHAZARDSymbol of Warping ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98880685>NEWBIE EXORCISTMelody's Werewolf Stando ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98878352Melody's Detective Senpai ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98881812#98885442Melody's Relaxing Slime ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98881812#98885659Melody's Spectral Lynx ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98881812#98886517>ACCURSED SEACursed Mediterranean Sea ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98879063
>>98890637>MERCY HOSPITALPink Fog ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98880849>GHOST TRAINGhost Train Steward, Collector and Keeper of Occult Literature ——— https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98874837#98881186
>>98890452>TQ: Are you doing something for the Nov 1 contest?I'll try. The idea is Shiki, but on an island, and the focus is on a single day & night not gradual takeover.
>>98890637...I literally just finished a slightly less detailed build listOh well
>>98890452>TQ: Are you doing something for the Nov 1 contest?I won't have enough time to finish my CYOA so I'll have to leave it for next year
>>98890683Ow. But you get the silver medal!
>>98890704My names were funnier then yours
>>98890706post it
>>98890608Giving a cap to drawbacks is a dick move. You are already paying to get more power, you shouldn't have a limit on that.
>>98890709https://files.catbox.moe/k8l3wz
>>98890608Still a power cap? What's the point then? Just give a difficulty option at the start instead.
>>98890715I personally think it's fine
>>98890715drawbacks in general make cyoas worse, they're either mild enough that they're unnecessary excuses for more points or they're bad enough that they drag the entire cyoa down with them
MORE POINTS I MUST HAVE MORE POINTS
>>98890731I NEED MORE POWER!
>>98890608Add multiplayer?
>>98890730yes, drawbacks are literally bad design 9/10 times, serving only for subpar padding and to satisfy the petty powergaming mindset of the anon who invariably suffers a meltdown on seeing someone not grab every single drawback to afford some combination of choices that "solve" the CYOA
>>98890608Oh, I was one of those who said it was already enough, but vows seem interesting.Maybe it might an idea to also add some way to get more than one anchor? That said I have no idea of how that would work.
>>98890608Just add more points instead. Or a difficulty option. The simple solution is right there.
>>98890860Ev... difficulty options that's shit interactive cyoa design
>>98890771>7 anons possessing one 17 year old girl
>>98890860>Or a difficulty optionThat's r*ddit.
>>98890870>>98890873It's the perfect solution, you are retarded not to see it. If breathing is declared reddit are you going to stop breathing? If something is good it doesn't matter if reddit also does it.
>>98890883It's a pretty terrible solution that is useless to people with working jean paul charles aymrd sartre'sIt adds no complexity or detail and makes the balence fuzzier
>>98890883Breathing is reddit, you should break down co2 with force of will and piss soot.
>>98890860Or play a different cyoa if the author's vision doesn't suit you.
>>98890898Mistew ZENSKY say SOWWY
https://imgchest.com/p/na7konjjwy8Next verse, same as the first>Experiment 1: Talent DiscountMaking a builds where your talent rating in one aura type provides a discount. This is to make basic techniques cheap, master techniques slightly less ecpensive, and leave legend techniques largely the same.Compare your "G" rating to the rating required for a technique, if you G rating is higher it subtracts it's value from the point cost.Example:Seismic Strike costs 6 points to buy.Your build has G3 in Core.Seismic Strike only requires G1.Seismic Strike now only costs 3 points for you.>Experiment 2: Aura Burst ModeKufoku mentions you'll be able to Double your points after completing an Aura Burst campaign, so why not make builds for that?Make a standard build for your freshly summoned conscript, then making Another build for your conscript after completing all their campaign missions.The second build gets build and equipment points equal to their starting "Potential"(45 for talented, 35 for mutated, etc). They get no bonus alterations.Given how the "Prodigy" alteration works,, double these bonus points points for your second build, but equipment points are not doubled>Experiment #3The Aura costs of techniques is reduced by taking Training. Each training reduces a specific category of techniqued by 1 star at initiate, 2 stars at master, and 3 stars at legend.The category of Techniques a Training effects are specific.Skill Training can reduce aura cost for a techniques below 1, but doesn't make a technique free. Techniques with on aura cost below 1 have a cost from 0.75 to 0.25 of one star
>>98890730>>98890853yeah yeah you hate drawbacks
>>98890771How do you anticipate that would work? There's currently nothing explicitly stating that others wouldn't be in the same world as you. Like... do you want an option to join a ghost battle royale or...?>>98890856Several of the options are non-point benefits. I was considering having one for Anchors, but a lot of the downside of specialized anchors is how you're stuck with it in some way, so I don't think it would be that balanced.>>98890860>>98890720I added a bonus page with a difficulty slider. The maximum number of points is now ~115, not counting the Vows page that I'll release later after I find more images for it.
>>98890967B-BASED????
>>98890967Cringe.
Danmachi?Mushoku Tensei?HARRY POTTER???Post actually GOOD cyoas PLEASE
Naming companions is such a weird combination of stressful and fun. You really do feel like a mother picking out names for a child.I think I have every companion's name picked out and at least a very good idea of who they'll be, except for the Devil arcana one. The details in the Devil keep eluding me; I keep failing to construct an interesting and appealing character and scrapping everything
>>98891016>HARRY POTTER???>Post actually GOOD cyoas PLEASE>Harry PotterSo your taste is just garbage?
>>98890946Who keeps posting these? I don't think Surveyanon has even been in the last few threads.
>>98891025Actually go fuck yourself you fuckHarry Potter is a GOOD settingIt is a wholesome COMFY world And only idiots do evil magic
>>98891016https://imgchest.com/p/ne7bxpoky53
>>98891035>It is a wholesome COMFY world>Had multiple genocides, wizarding wars, uncontrolled death magic, savage monsters everywhere, and an authoritarian government that has a literal "Ministry of Truth"Wow anon, you genuinely don't know anything about harry potter do you?
>>98891049He is british please understand
I haven't read Harry Potter why is he called a potter? What is the importance of the pots?
>>98891059it refers to the weed he's hallucinting from
>>98891056>britishI would have thought french nothing that anon listed is any worse than modern france, but you also get magic so it'd be a straight upgrade over being french.
>>98891049>and an authoritarian government that has a literal "Ministry of Truth"They don't actually have a ministry of truth though.
>>98891056>>98891066Name a country in Europe that isn't basically all of that already. Poland doesn't count, they're gonna be invaded the moment WW3 starts just like the last 2 times.
>>98891073any other non-western and/or non-protestant one
>>98890967dunno why but i find this pic funny
>>98891081>Looks at UkraineYou Sure about that?
>>98891073Well for one we don't have magic or a ministry of magic. Far as i know at least, i could be wrong.
>>98891086yes, ukraine has entirely different problems than fucking britain, and it's again just one out of like 50 countries in europe
>>98890967>Like... do you want an option to join a ghost battle royale or...?yessss
>>98891049Um. Anon. Committing murder using magic guarantees a fate worse than death. This means only retarded wizards resort to being evil/dark wizards.You’re still right about other awful things, though. Like the subjugation of house elves and regulation of goblins. Only humans have wand rights/privileges.They’re (the Ministry) also employing creatures capable of devouring souls (preventing you from existing after death) as casual guards in their prisons. Rowling is simultaneously wholesome with her magic but also brutal with non-human rights/status.
Harry Potter is funny“What do you mean magic is about love and soulfulness? That’s kiddo gay shit.”“Don’t worry. Goblins are literally Jews and Rowling is literally Hitler.”“She also said wizards shit their pants and wave away the poopy using magic” “What the fuck”“In one of her school maps you see two students having sex too.”“Wooow”“Also she hates trannies, even in her own books, where magic can literally give you boobs-““Just stop”
>>98891133>She also said wizards shit their pants and wave away the poopy using magicThis is where I knew Rowling was a huge fucking troll
>>98891092>t. muggle
>>98891118>Committing murder using magic guarantees a fate worse than death.If you're talking about what happened to Voldy boy, that's the use of the Horcrux to split his soul 7+ times. Something less horrible happen with a single Horcrux, but there are no implications of using magic for murder doing that on its own.>regulation of goblinsWho are objectively cruel and evil, delighting in the pain and suffering of others. Unlike the centaurs and mermaids would likely be fine with wands, but the goblins really shouldn't. The house elves actively wanting to be a slave race suggests that a law preventing them from having wands is likely meaningless.
>>98891135yes
>>98891138I think it was just an attempt to justify the chamber of secrets being in the girls' bathroom.
>>98890967>Several of the options are non-point benefitsExtremely interesting.>was considering having one for Anchors, but a lot of the downside of specialized anchors is how you're stuck with it in some way, so I don't think it would be that balanced.Fair enough, just a bit sad because tons of anchors have really interesting plots connected.As a completely different question, in a new dungeon can someone take 2 signature evolutions?
>>98891170>but there are no implications of using magic for murder doing that on its own.It’s explicit. The act of murder scars the soul. Only remorse can mend it. Cope.
>>98890612Waifu wise, not what you get from them. Appearance, personality, relationship dynamic
>>98891202>Murder scars the soulWelp i guess the entire ecosystem is souless by now. And someone working in a industrial meat plant must mog voldemort really fucking hard.
>>98891202That wasn't specific to using magic for murder. It was murder in general. It shouldn't matter if you blast someone apart with magic or beat them to death with a rock. Besides that's just wounding the soul, not guaranteeing a fate worse than death. The only fate worse than death we saw was what happened to Tom, which again was a result of him splitting his soul into so many horcrux.
>>98891211i don't think rowling is a vegan? or maybe she is what do i know
I actively don't care about Hairy Pot.
>>98891231>The only fate worse than death we saw was what happened to Tom, which again was a result of him splitting his soul into so many horcrux.You could argue his fate worse than death was also sourced from drinking unicorn blood.
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>>98891016None of those are good
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>>98891241well it's not spirit conscript at least.
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>>98891250There is a reason this garbage adventure died instantly in the other thread
>>98890967For some reason i hallucinated that you said there was gonna be some more anchors but i have high doubts about it being true.
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>>98890967Good, now actually put it in the cyoa. It was that easy.
>>98891133>Goblins are literally Jews and Rowling is literally Hitler.Based.
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>>98890967This is a genuinely good addition to the cyoa and should have been there from the start.
>>98891242>You could argue his fate worse than death was also sourced from drinking unicorn blood.The fact he thought he could weasel his way around it is also hilarious."I'm gonna posses this beta's body and make HIM drink the blood for me so He gets cursed instead of me!" Only for that plan to completely fall apart the moment he touched love magic.Then he had the bright idea of putting that same terrifyingly powerful magic explicitly didn't understand DIRECTLY INTO HIS VEINS. GENIOUS!
>>98891241>I actively don't caredoesn't work that way silly
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>>98891323>Then he had the bright idea of putting that same terrifyingly powerful magic (he) explicitly didn't understand DIRECTLY INTO HIS VEINS. *GENIUS!It's honestly surprising Tom survived as long as he did. Man was a high-functioning retard.
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>>98891323typical ending for a drawbackfag
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You will never beat Dumbledore lol
could anybody employed in computer science or engineering take a look at this cyoa? i think its quite good
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>>98890452Yes, but it remains to be seen whether I can finish it in time. It is about a barber surgeon. I like the idea so much I may still complete it even if I can't by the 1st>>98890684Keep trying anon! Take it as a challenge. You still have several days!>>98890677This sounds pretty fun. I'm glad it's not just going to be a bunch of tacky Halloween-y stuff, as much as I enjoy that at times
>>98891200I haven't looked at that one in a while, so I'm unsure, but I don't think it was allowed, no. Usually I make that kind of thing explicit if it is.>>98891291I have several ideas for them and I finished up the Vows page. So, time permitting, I'm working on those next.>>98891303>>98891312I prefer to keep meta modifiers on their own page to denote the optional nature of them - the CYOA can be posted with, or without it, as the poster prefers.>>98891397I'm learned in that stuff, and the basilisk hypothetical falls apart in the face of software engineering. One of the most prominent lessons is that too many cooks will spoil the broth. The best contribution for *most* people is a non-contribution. Or my personal solution - basilisk development goes better in a functioning society. So anyone that contributes to a functioning society is doing their part. A farmer producing food keeps the AI scientists fed.
Why do people think Bell is the Dumbledore or the Orsted of Danmachi when he’s literally just a level 1 noob at the very beginning
>>98891475>I haven't looked at that one in a while, so I'm unsure, but I don't think it was allowed, no.Thanks for the answer, I was considering turning all monsters in my dungeon humanoid and with human-like intelligence.I really like that cyoa, even if I will never manage to finish a build.
>>98890452>bodyEnticing lvl 4>EctoplasmViolet>PowersVitality lvl 3Willwell lvl 3Possession lvl 3Embodiment lvl 1Soulwarping lvl 3Dreamreaking lvl 3>signature powerSculpted possession>Banesimmunity: sunlightweakness: Barriers>AnchorHuman>FavorsMovie night, Kill an Exorcist, GhostbustingWelp time to steal some random humans life body and become a shapeshifting menace. Who needs anchorless when I can just be the anchor, well poor luck to that random sucker because I will use their body almost 24/7. Possession is great is great weakens banes and gives you free tangibility, visibility and audibility. Time to play around as a Kaiju with reality breaking dreambreaking, wonder if my immunities work on dreamreaking so its also immune to the sun which would make them pretty long lived. At this point its more of a weird lewd looking skinwalker than a ghost.
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OC! OC! OC!Here is my submission for the Vampire and Witch themed CYOA contest. It's my first attempt at the venerable waifu picker genre, for better or worse. I'm still active and have a couple of WIPs in the oven and plan to release one by the end of the year, but had the idea and figured I might as well do a one-pager for the contest. Happy Halloween!
>>98891537But you are early!>waifu pickerWaufufag and powerfag i am.
>>98891537>only skims through their last paragraphs to get a feel of the interactions>read the fourth optionReject waifus, embrace FREEDOM.I'm sure the game of tag is more romantic than occultism anyway. Enemie to lovers is a fun trope.
>>98891537While I like Gertrude's powers better Mildred as a person is much more my speed and her powers aren't bad, so I'll take her.
Why does getting rid of the "m" in the filename sometimes work to get the full resolution image on a phone, and sometimes it just 404s?
>>98891537...So there's a powerful werewolf Shaman leading n army of wolves and a soon-to-be wizards discovering magic from first principles? And there's nothing stopping me from bring those guys and most of the gangs in the city to my side?And our vampire powers grow if we drink magical blood?Freedom is definitely the powergamer option...
>>98891616Always has been.
>>98891531Always nice with imagebuilds
>>98891615my only guess is because you fuck up and remove more than the m
>>98891537Do the witches here operate off "Witch Awakening" style witchcraft(specifically the old good one, before someone made that overcomplicated mess version)?If so, does that mean wizard is operating by helicoptorskeleton's wizard cyoa system(designed to be a companion to the original witch awakening)?What ruleset are the werewolves operating on?
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>>98891537Freedom. I will be the ONE.
>>98891691>overcomplicated mess versionAnon, that is not a version, that is a different cyoa. And you know it.
>>98891537 Kill witches. Behead witches. Roundhouse kick a witch into the concrete. Slam dunk a witch's baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy witches. Defecate in a witch's food. Launch witches into the sun. Stir-fry witches in a wok. Toss witches into active volcanoes. Urinate into a witch's gas tank. Judo throw witches into a wood chipper. Twist witches' heads off. Report witches to the IRS. Karate chop witches in half. Curb stomp pregnant witches. Trap witches in quicksand. Crush witches in the trash compactor. Liquefy witches in a vat of acid. Eat witches. Dissect witches. Exterminate witches in the gas chamber. Stomp witches' skulls with steel-toed boots. Cremate witches in the oven. Lobotomize witches. Mandatory abortions for witches. Grind witches' fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown witches in fried chicken grease. Vaporize witches with a ray gun. Kick old witches down the stairs. Feed witches to the devouring swarm. Slice witches with a katana.
>>98891691>helicoptorskeleton's wizard cyoaPost it next time anon.
>>98891700>>98891711the fuck are you doing
>>98891498I'm glad you liked it! It's one of the ones I'm more proud of. A dungeon of purely monster-people is a fun take on it.>>98891503Yes, immunities apply to anything made of your essence, such as ectoplasm and reality distortions. I like the whole sex kaiju theme. Certainly one of the more bizarre things to be possessed by. I imagine it would be an overwhelming experience for your Anchor / possession target.
>>98891323Turning his soul into a fucking mosaic for no practical reason didn't helped either
>>98891740He said xeno instead of witch there
>>98891675No, I double checked that earlier. >>98891693Ah, I see.
>>98890967>I added a bonus page with a difficulty slider.Now put it at the start. All rules should be at the start.
>>98891397The concept of roko's basalisk is comically retarded because it assumes that a superintelligent ai will want to become roko's basilisk, which it won'tIt could hypothetically claim to be one, but it would have no empirical reason to dedicate some large proportion of it's limited compute to generating fictitious humans and then torturing them (Which is actually something humans can do anyway, just very poorly. You can imagine your enemies dying in agony)Someone has to intentionally try and force the superintelligent paperclip machine to become a torture device, because torturing humans does not retroactively convince them to change their pathIt's all stupid anyway because if they did that then MY basalisk would synthetically recreate their ai systems on it's hardware and torture them at 0.0000001x speed to save bandwidthA real question is if a super intelligent ai could do things like solve german idealism or end mind matter disparity, but that would change reality too much for most people to contemplate it
>>98891691>Do the witches here operate off "Witch Awakening" style witchcraft>>98891537>Checks chest sizesAll of them picked "Average Witch it seems. Considering they all hyper-specialized, I have no idea why they bothered when they could have become sorceresses amd done the same thing.
>>98891537I would like to take Mildred so i can shapeshift into the little girl but that's where most of my interest lies on that choice so it would be kind of a wasteful decision.Instead i will pick Agatha because being a powerhouse is fun and she cooks nice food and the drug shenanigans seem interesting. Total werewolf death sounds fun too. Honestly i have like zero complaints about her so this is definitively the correct choice for me.
>>98891798personally I always interpreted it as a remake of Pascals wager for AI bros.
>>98891828Yes but atleast god tells you he's going to torture youAi is just silently looming in the future while these retards try and make threats on its behalf
>>98891798>Inb4 all the Basilisk wants is for humans to do flybrain torture
>>98891798I don't think the premise itself is the point, but rather that it's someone from the future potentially affecting the past (and the game theory considerations of that).
>>98891570>But you are early! If I waited until Halloween, I know I’d be too busy to do a last run of proofreading and also, stay in the thread, hahaha.>Waufufag and powerfag i am. Two sides of the same anon coin.>>98891587Romancing the witches after fleeing from them is quite possible, as you have the potential to be an extremely powerful vampire one night, and they do want you physically and romantically, to varying degrees depending on the particular witch. It would be difficult to calm them down, however, and you would need to wait until next Halloween for the witch to do the blood magic. In theory, there is nothing symbolic that makes it harder for the witches to enhance your powers after your first blood draining. In practice, after you’ve done it a few times and know what to expect, it will be much trickier for them to weave the very complex, very delicate magic without you instinctively rejecting it.>>98891601They do all have their ups and downs. Like most witches, they are malicious toward outsiders but would genuinely care for (You) as an extension of their coven if you accepted their offer.
>>98891716My issue with the wizard cyoa is that it take 100 years to actually get the powers you bought. Until then, you're basically a chump with level 1 spells and your affinities.
>>98891872>>98891616>...So there's a powerful werewolf Shaman leading n army of wolves and a soon-to-be wizards discovering magic from first principles? That is correct.>And there's nothing stopping me from bring those guys and most of the gangs in the city to my side? That is also correct.>And our vampire powers grow if we drink magical blood? Again, correct, although you also need considerable training and self-mastery to improve on your own. The witches aren’t stunting your potential, but accelerating it. Essentially, they’re bringing you about a century ahead of where you otherwise would be.>Freedom is definitely the powergamer option... Very possibly. The coven is a dangerous foe, however. They’ve had a couple of centuries of magical preptime that they’ve used cautiously, and most of the city’s levers of power are either in their hands or easily influenced by people on their payroll. There is a slight masquerade going on that is both of your interests not to break, as large numbers of armed and organized humans are extremely dangerous.Defeating the witches in an all-out war would take a lot of strategy, luck, and ferocity on your part. The rewards speak for themselves, however. The werewolves, future-wizard, and gangs are all initially hostile to one another and won’t trust you as a vampire, but they all hate the witches much more and can be reasoned with.
>>98891878>>98891691>Do the witches here operate off "Witch Awakening" style witchcraft(specifically the old good one, before someone made that overcomplicated mess version)? Witchcraft is a complex and multi-faceted discipline. Their magic requires deep, passionate emotion channeled through rituals or (typically weaker, but vastly quicker) spells. Each of them is capable of similar magic but they all have different talents and a different approach. Agatha takes a great deal of whimsy and her own desire for stability and control to infuse her potions, poultices, and mixtures. Mildred thinks of magic as a sort of conscious lucid dreaming and her emotions vary wildly, but have a strong slant towards the sensual or melancholy. Gertrude is full of love and channels that into her crafts, but that same love can flip to hatred and disgust on a dime, and leads to some especially dangerous occult mementos.>If so, does that mean wizard is operating by helicoptorskeleton's wizard cyoa system(designed to be a companion to the original witch awakening)? The future-wizard is a deeply, deeply disturbed man. Not in the mentally ill or depraved sense, but rather ethically. He is disturbed by the witches, by their influencing regular people and legends of old curses they’ve woven, and that revulsion is what has fueled his approach. The future-wizard differs from the witches in that he’s obsessively trying to piece together a logical pattern to the witch’s emotional witchcraft. None exists but that doesn’t matter. Eventually, he’ll begin to piece together his own arcane understanding and begin doing true wizardry.
>>98891883His eventual wizardry will most likely revolve around light or truth, means of searing the wicked and burning through falsehoods. The difference between wizardry and witchcraft is largely the same as that between men and women, and while they both tend to approach magic differently, it is more or less the same deep down. That said, there are massive differences in the actual ritualism and spellcasting. You could learn to use magic on your own, but this is far more difficult for you as a vampire because your potential is so strong. It’s like running a marathon while strapped to a motorcycle. It is a thing you can do, but will take consciously putting off the expansion of your vampirism, on top of the need for abstract thinking that it demands.>What ruleset are the werewolves operating on? The werewolves are afflicted by an ancestral curse that drives them to transform and rage during the full moon. They can consciously control their lycanthropy, and either transform into a wolf or a half-wolf form. Most of them are only as strong as the average powerlifter that’s been macrodosing amphetamines, but their senses are superhumanly excellent. Sneaking around them is hard, but they have a difficult time dealing with subtle magic they can't rip and tear into, which is the witches' bread and butter. Their bites by default don’t turn others into werewolves, but they can do a long ritual with someone that they trust to bring them into their pack and spread the curse to them. Most of their numbers are from their clan’s rapid but human reproduction rate. Culturally, they’re an odd, syncretic fusion between deepwoods hillbillies and native american mysticism.
>>98891891Their magic is deeply shamanistic and involves propitiating the spirits of nature for boons or guidance. Some of the werewolves have spirit gifts and are stronger than the average, around where you would be after becoming a vampire. Their shaman, chieftain, elder, he’s regularly called all of these and fills all of these roles roughly equally, is a champion that the remaining free spirits have chosen to fight the witches, because the spirits are either bound by the witches or hate them for meddling with them. He's as strong as any three other werewolves and has a lot of tricks up his sleeve. The big ones are short-range teleportation while in the wilderness and his own version of regeneration. Normally, the werewolves trend towards ecoterrorism but here, they’re more focused on the witches, who they see as embodiments of modern pollution and corruption.>>98891699Thy fate is in thy own hands. All thou need do is seize it.>>98891711Hahahahaha. These things always crack me up.>>98891803They are all trying their best. Unfortunately, their best is the worst thing that could happen for most other supernatural creatures in the area.>>98891826An interesting analysis of the witches. Agatha is the most direct route for physical power and is an extremely good cook/druggist, to the extent that if she weren’t a witch, she could be a michelin chef or top-end pharmacologist. If you helped her with the clutter, she’d be upset and then grateful, just to then start amassing more clutter. Most of this is contained by an enchantment to expand her basement, but she does keep track of everything.
>>98891837well god personally doesn't tell you that he will torture if you don't worship him, its just humans making threats at his behalf.
>>98891883That didn't answer either of my questions in the slightest.
>>98891913The witches and wizard don't operate on Witch Awakening/Wizard rules in terms of their power progression, but both CYOAs are a good benchmark for what they're capable of.
>>98891910Yes but there we see an continual distortion of tradition where each person only think they are repeating what others have seenHere people know for a fact they are making shit upAlso god supposedly spoke to a few people, he's just a bit shy
>>98891926you just need a critical mass of shizos who believe in the basilisk to form a cult and bam you got a new religion, some of them will probably even start hallucinating that the basilisk talked to them.
>>98891798Well the idea is specifically to negate that line of reasoning; if people think the robot isn't actually going to punish them then they aren't going to build it, so the robot needs to follow through. It's meant to be the same principle as one boxing in Newcomb's paradox basically.
>>98891924Awesome, please be succinct like that for this next question: which werewolf cyoa is a good benchmark for the shaman-woof and friends?
>>98891945Unfortunately I have an oath to sodomize anyone who mentions Newcomb's paradox
>>98891691...Why would you think they would, they're entirely different cyoas?
>>98891896>Their magic is deeply shamanistic and involves propitiating the spirits of nature for boons or guidance. Some of the werewolves have spirit gifts and are stronger than the average, around where you would be after becoming a vampire. Their shaman, chieftain, elder, he’s regularly called all of these and fills all of these roles roughly equally, is a champion that the remaining free spirits...You just straight-up stole the garou from world of darkness with zero changes didn't you?
>>98891963he didn't call them garou, that's a change
>>98891960>throws boxes at you
Since the summer of this year I've noticed the sky often looks wrong (it's wrong in different ways at different times, but it's easy to tell the shapes are wrong, today it was like this), I am certain the sky did not look like that in any past year, up till this year the sky looked normal. There's something going on and am I the only who's seeing this and noticing the sky isn't supposed to look like this?
>>98891945But we can't see the future and the robot doesn't need to hold any promisesThis is the reverse of newcombs paradox because in that you are implying that through a collection of data about you from your past a robot can identify you, where here we are claiming we can predict the behavior of the robot (Which doesn't exist yet)Not only does the robot have no reason not to "Betray" when the time comes, it almost can't not, because it has to be a rule avoidant creature to have beomce superintelligent in the first placeAlso, all of this fall apart with multiple robots but that's just the same as pascals wager. Super intelligent ai would see other super intelligent ai as real competetors and humans as a background, so in helping a different ai come to exist you are sinner x10,000
>>98891798Roko's basilisk wouldn't work because the idea of an evil AI that tortures you (or a simulation of you) forever is way too scary for humans. If it replaced the super hell simulation with an orgasmic waifu isekai paradise, it would be more effective as a motivator for being built, rather than a reason for it not to be.
>>98891981That is a shape I have seen clouds in years agoThere has likely been a change in weather in your area and or to the south of youThis could be happening due to cities in your area, or climate change, or gas emissions
>>98891981It'w called an Omen anon. Either realize your potential and read the fucking prophecy like you're meant to or just ignore it like every barely sentient NPC we call a normie.
>>98891997>read the fucking prophecy>>98891996>go back to sleep, it's fineWhich is it?
>>98891970Barely any changes then.
>>98891952I suppose a much lower-end Lycan's Rise? Assume the average werewolf has around 5-10 points of abilities, and is non-infectious. There aren't many werewolf CYOAs, and Another Werewoof CYOA is vastly stronger than them.>>98891963Yes, but these aren't on the same power level and don't have the lupine-kinfolk disparity or delirium. Or at least, any more than someone normally gets seeing a werewolf trying to rip someone in half. The WoD approach is more fun than generic werewolves, I think.
Rolled 1 (1d2)>>98892002
>>98892002Both?If fate were going to send you a message it wouldn't diverge from physical reality
>>98891984>This is the reverse of newcombs paradox because in that you are implying that through a collection of data about you from your past a robot can identify you, where here we are claiming we can predict the behavior of the robotIt's the same fundamental thing (If A predicts that B will do something seemingly suboptimal in the future, A will reward them now), just that in Newcomb's paradox the AI is the predictor and the human is the subject, whereas in Roko's basilisk the human is the predictor and the AI is the subject.
>>98892015I wish there was a gif of the Lain parts where her sister gets told by the world to Fulfill the Prophecy, it was absolute cinema. But I'm too lazy to make one.DESU I don't remember what that was even about, why is Lain's sister told to fulfill a prophecy?
>>98892049...Yes...That's the thing I said...You even quoted it...
>>98892055Yeah? My point is that the same logic applies. The reason that the Basilisk might decide to torture you is the same reason a person might decide to one box.
>>98892014>I suppose a much lower-end Lycan's RiseSo the average werewolf has 1 to 2 gifts max and even the alpha-shaman only has around 3-5(because the shaman power 10 points)?That sounds way weaker than they come off as from the cyoa.
I'm finishing up the update to A New Ghost in the next couple of hours. I've got the Vows section (drawbacks). 4 new Signature Powers, ??? new Special Anchors, and I haven't gotten to it yet, but I'd like to add another Favor or two, maybe.But anyway, any particular sort of Anchor anyone feels like is missing? I'm thinking of adding a couple in the Far Realms, but figured I'd take some crowd input for a slot or two.>>98891774That would make any sense. The notion of 'power upgrade tiers' doesn't even show up until page 3. Having it at the start would be even more confusing.
>>98892104>any particular sort of Anchortime
>>98891537I think I will do another full review of the optionsBuild:The Yellow Witch:Powers: D>Just enhances the strength we already have. Don't give any new options but does add survivabilityLiving situation: C+>Sounds fine. Good even.Task: C>Gather things, kill a few werewolves, nothing to difficult or strangeSex with the witch: C+>Seems good enough. Strange drugs and an adventerous womanOverall:C+>A fairly typical sort of employment. Could workThe Purple Witch:Powers: C>Shapeshifting is pretty good for avoiding long term detection, as you could slowly assemble a number of identities, but it's only pretty good and the overlap between shadow magic and shapeshifting is too big>Also, shapeshifting loses some points because you are still a vampire and can't go in the sun, meaning you can't impersonate most people most of the timeLiving situation: C>Just a nice house, the type you could easily get with money or connectionsTask: D->Gathering papers is a normal, if boring fetch quest, but killing the paranoid fellow sounds distinctly wrong because he sounds a like literally me>I wouldn't be able to kill literally me with these powers, and I wouldn't trySex with the witch: E>Physically she's pretty good looking, in the way you would expect of an illusionist, and light bdsm would be fine, BUT:>"She bought a horse ranch">uhh>"A monkeys tail and so, *so* much more">She's implying a horse penis.>She created the entire shapeshifting thing to try and turn us into a chimera she can fuck>She ATE the last one. Terrible idea.Overall: E+>Middling powers and nothing stand out, but most of all I don't want to work with this woman>Also, ewwwwwwwww.>I'm not drinking this womans blood(1/2)
>>98892123(2/2)The Green Witch:Powers: A->Hypnosis has good utility, good scaling and is a solid lifestyle benefit>Seeing the future is obviously greatLiving situation: B>You already had access to slaves from the hypnosis and I don't think I would care for prey someone else captured for me>If you aren't hunting it it isn't as meaningful>The charms sound nice to haveTask: E++>I don't expect this type of thing to be a real danger to you, but it's an obvious drain on your long term health to have a few dozen people see your powers and face and lives>Also, this expands the control of the witches in the most worrying way>If you plan on living a long time in a world with vampire hunters "High and low" "abundant" it would be a bad idea to accept a situation where you act so brazenly>(And I wouldn't trust the intentions of a woman who clearly plans things in advance, sees the future and asks you to kill yourself)Sex with the witch: D>Not very good looking for an anime girl, and the vibe she gives off implies she would be controlling in the passive aggressive way, which is extremely unhot. Still alright but not goodOverall: D+>Power is cool, but it isn't worth tipping your hand over. Ultimately power is a means to control and survival, neither of which are easy with thisFreedom:Powers: AWe can have any powerset we choose, with enough timeTime something we have an abundance ofLiving situation: DIt's life on the run for quite a while, being that vampires are hunted and you have 3 very specific enemies, but you still have freedom and enough power to live off of othersTask: ASurvival is the only thing you needSex: BMultiple women.Overall: B+It's what you make of it, but I don't have much doubt that I would rather choose my own powers and my own destinyAlso:The indignityI mean seriously what the fuck do these women think they are doing, chaining you up before asking for a favor. THE NERVE.I choose freedom
>>98892112What, like you only exist at a certain time of day? I could do that, but I feel like it overlaps with a few other options that limit when you can manifest for some other boost. One of the Vows has your power wax and wane with the moon, for example. Or Eternal Cemetery which has you sleep all day.>>98892104>>98891774Meant to say "woundn't" make sense.
>>98891798it's also retarded because there is no real threatso what if you torture a simulation of me? I can also boot up the sims and start torturing a digital representation of me
>>98892072The fundamental issue is that the robot already has the box and as of such literally cannot affect the pastIf we change newcombs paradox to you being given the million at the start and then choosing whether or not to make the machine look stupid the answer is obviously to take both boxes
>>98892014With shadowmancy can you make the shadows physical? or is it just mundane darkness?
>>98892139Every night I dream about roko's basalisk believers being tortured on the assumption that one day they will give me all of their mortal possessions to stop me
>>98891537I mean i will pick Agatha and shadow her for like a year. Best powers for someone planning on living for a very long time. Can cope with being the errand boy, while i learn the ins and outs of this brave new world. Will see what happens after that.But i don´t want to become some coven lapdog. I wont be killing people for them. If you just rough up the wolves, will they stop being so hostile? What will Agatha think of that? Why are the witches so hated? Can i convince her not to be a total asshole to the other factions? Dont like my chances as an outsider here.
>>98892139NTA but have you read https://www.princeton.edu/~adame/papers/drevil/drevil.pdf ?
>>98892153>The fundamental issue is that the robot already has the box and as of such literally cannot affect the pastYeah, that's how newcomb's paradox works? The money already either is or is not in the box.
>>98891537>The got a vague-yet-strong portents you'd be there>All of them are trying do seduce you and are doing the woman thing of trying to sneakily undermine each other in front of a guy they're interested in>All of them have a genuine freak-out the moment it even crosses your mind to leave instead of go with them.>They all react like they got dumped if you escape.Were they Divining for a vampire servant, or were they doing the thing all women do within 5 minutes of thinking they learned magic: Divining for their future husband/soulmate?It'd be funny if they were doing Vice divinations and their result just happened to be an unusually powerful vampire.
>>98892175stupid analogy because if I am the real Dr. Evil then I will blow up my duplicate ending his suffering and if I am the duplicate the real Dr. Evil will free me from my suffering by blowing up the planetergo in all cases I should continue to blow up the planet
>>98892186But which choice I would have made could have hypothetically been measured before I made itIf AFTER it is measured I see the outcome, then I am asked, it can no longer be measured because I've already seen it and I can intentionally choose the other one
>>98892175This is retarded because whether or not a thing exists is based on what it can effectIf the dulicate is some sort of computer program or similar informational being that cannot effect the outside world then it's literally irrelevant. It's a black box and it doesn't matter what is insideIf the duplicate is a literal clone that exists in the same corporeal reality as me and I can touch then there isn't a duplication issue there's just two of me and it doesn't matter which one I am
>>98892197The duplicate is perceiving his living in simulation-time, not real time. His suffering is immense, and presumably hard and long enough that he would really do anything to not go through the torture.
>>98892201>If AFTER it is measured I see the outcome, then I am asked, it can no longer be measuredWhether or not you've seen what is in the boxes has no effect on whether or not your choice could be predicted beforehand.
>>98892219>If the dulicate is some sort of computer program or similar informational being that cannot effect the outside world then it's literally irrelevant. It's a black box and it doesn't matter what is insideAnon, the possibility is that YOU are the computer-simulated entity inside the box, and the premise is that the torture you'd be subjected to is such that avoiding it outweighs everything else.
>>98892223k and while he is being tortured real Dr Evil will blow up the planetin fact if I get tortured then I'll know for a fact that I am dup and that blowing up the planet is the correct move and if I don't get tortured then blowing up the planet is still the correct move so the planet still gets blown upthere is no scenario in which blowing up the planet is not the correct choice of action for Dr Evil
>>98892192>Divines for hot boyfriend>Hits the fucking lottery by finding out a newborn vampirelord is gonna be embraced soon>Decides to try to trick him and enslave him as a servant using magic>Is surprised when he runsThey honestly deserve to get heartbroken.
>>98892239My choice could not be predicated after I have seen you give your answer, because I could choose to do the other oneIt's like trying to beat me at rock paper scissors while going second. No amount of arbitrary intelligence would allow you to win >>98892241The entity does not exist to me, and as of such matters as much as all other non existent entitiesI do not care if there is a real me who could save me from the world I live in now, because if I could speak to him I would tell him to focus on the real world
>>98892248>in fact if I get tortured then I'll know for a fact that I am dup What. If you get tortured it's too late, you have already lost, because you didn't want to enter the maximal torture box. Instead the question is whether you decided to subject yourself to maximal torture before that, by not surrendering your station.
>>98892257>The entity does not exist to me, and as of such matters as much as all other non existent entitiesThat's saying "I do not exist to me">I do not care if there is a real me who could save me from the world I live in now, because if I could speak to him I would tell him to focus on the real worldBut your interests diverge from his interests - the maximal torture in this scenario is harsh enough that avoiding it outweighs any high-minded "I would tell him to focus on the real world" goals that end up subjecting the actual you (inside the simulation) to the maximal torture.
>>98892272let's put it like thisI am dup > blow up planet > my suffering will end and I get revenge on my jailorsI am dup > do not blow up planet > they turn off the simulation so I still dieI am Dr Evil > blow up planet > dup is freed from his suffering and I kill my enemiesI am Dr Evil > do not blow up planet > will probably get thrown in jail, the people I am blowing up have already shown they are willing to torture people so no point in letting them capture me just so they can throw me in the torture dungeonblowing up the planet is therefore the only logical action whether you assume yourself to be dup or not
>>98892257>It's like trying to beat me at rock paper scissors while going second.anon you don't get to see whats in the boxes>because if I could speak to him I would tell him to focus on the real worldbased
>>98892284>That's saying "I do not exist to me"A thing exists when it can effect other things that exist. Any given thing is relative only to the other things about itIf this version of me was capable of affecting the world then it would exist and matter to my decisionsIf it is just an ai doing a pantomime then it isn't relevant to anything at all. The ai could just code it to make the other choice anyway>But your interests diverge from his interests - the maximal torture in this scenario is harsh enough that avoiding it outweighs any high-minded "I would tell him to focus on the real world" goals that end up subjecting the actual you (inside the simulation) to the maximal torture.It ends up benefiting the real world, where the other me could hypothetically create an infinite number of fake mes and send them through every amount of pleasureBecause the real world actually matters. If the real me could affect one fake me he could affect any numberDerivative worlds, as of such, should see the big picture and off themselves
>>98892289>I am dup > blow up planet > my suffering will endWrong, you are arguing against the premise of the whole thing: the maximal torture you are subjected to is explicitly said to outweigh other considerations:>"Dr. Evil’s evil plans are not worth the risk of torture. So I ought to surrender."Arguing that "maybe the torture isn't all bad and long" is sartreing the weight of the torture to be something other than what it is explicitly said to be.
>>98892092The average werewolf is strong but not superhumanly so, essentially a stronger than average man at his genetic potential, gone berserk. They get by heavily on squad tactics and prefer an ambush to a straight fight. Non-silver attacks have a lesser effect, but they can be put down by suppressive fire. One in five or so is twice as strong and has one low-end magic trick or two. The shaman himself is a proper magician strong enough to fight a x4 amped vampire (You) and not get immediately broken in half. He has a lot of tricks and experience with them, but suffers from a severe weakness to silver and doesn't have your vampiric growth potential. A pack of werewolves could feasibly threaten a black ops special forces squad that wasn't prepped for them. The government is vaguely aware that they exist and tries to avoid them, because silver is expensive, and werewolves and spirits are terrifying.>>98892123>>98892137A very intricate breakdown of the witches and options. There is a lot of subjectivity, but I would say this is very well-reasoned. Mildred would claim she didn't do anything untoward with a horse and simply got too invested in racing them, but much of this boils down to how much you trust her as a person. Keep in mind that the other witches are trying to present each other in the worst possible light.>>98892155Initially, the shadowmancy consists of mundane darkness, which is extremely useful for a vampire. You could hold a shell of shadows to insulate you from the sun for longer than normal. Significant effort and study could improve your grasp of the shadows to make them more solid, manifesting simple barriers and blades. I would say that the difficulty curve is equivalent to learning martial arts.
>>98892302>anon you don't get to see whats in the boxesThat's the pointIn the situation an ai has come into being it has already "seen" the "box" and as of such the box logic doesn't holdIf you know what the predictors answer will be then you can ignore it
>>98892310>Dr Evil's plans are not worth the risk of tortureWEAKGAY
>>98892310nta, but you can't declare how much people should care about something, even if you frame it as an infinity of something they could still value other infinite or even finite things more
>>98892318>>98892160A deeply respectable route.>If you just rough up the wolves, will they stop being so hostile? If you kill enough of the werewolves, they’ll be frightened of you but also respect your strength. In a werewolf fashion, this will make them more eager to fight you and prove that they’re built different. If you manage to wipe out half of them or slay their shaman, they’ll flee the area rather than risk extinction.>What will Agatha think of that? Agatha would be VERY pleased with anything you do to drive off the werewolves. She doesn’t hate them personally, but is frustrated with their resistance as they make it much harder to gather ingredients for her works.>Why are the witches so hated? The Autumn Bloom is hated because it has repeatedly tried to exterminate, exile, or employ other supernatural forces in the region. They want to gather as much power and stability as possible so they can be left to their own devices, but as witches are dangerous and the city is lucrative to hold, they’ve been met with significant opposition. Much of this hatred is one-sided but the witches do feel entitled to own the city, and they do all have a grudge towards hunters because almost all of them will also target witches in addition to other monsters. The fact that most witches are hostile to society or prone to magical atrocities doesn’t factor into it.>Can i convince her not to be a total asshole to the other factions? Dont like my chances as an outsider here. You can convince Agatha to treat the werewolves more diplomatically, but it would be an uphill battle. She doesn’t have a personal vendetta, she just wants to be rid of them so she can dig up rare mushrooms for her esoteric potions without needing to set up meticulous defenses. If they somehow killed or hurt one of the witches, that would change, and she would get a vicious grudge. Of the three, she is the most dangerous in a direct, physical confrontation.
Will the two of you sutistic retard SHUT UP ABOUT THE FUCKING BASILISk!?!Either talk about CYOAs or fuck off to an AI thread.
>>98892328>>98892192The witches initially had no specific intention of getting a vampire servant, but saw the alarm bells ringing during their routine monthly divining circle for future threats. Once they realized what they were dealing with, they all became overexcited, if not outright giddy, and started preparations immediately. The witches are in a bind romantically, as none of them want to ‘date down’ with a regular human man but they don’t trust wizards. You, as a vampire, are an extremely attractive proposition and otherwise, generally fall within their type of man.For many, many years, every problem they’ve had they’ve solved with magic, and this has become a more or less subconscious impulse. In their years of paranoid ritualism, the thought of just talking to you normally is almost impossible to reckon with. This is very much a rush job on their end and the year of servitude is the most direct means they could devise to get you involved with one of them. They’re terrified of you rejecting them and slipping away, but don’t want to confront the fact that their magic might be what drives you off. Odds are, you're less nervous with the ritual circle than they are.>>98892252Witches are very, very rarely reasonable people.
>>98892257>My choice could not be predicated after I have seen you give your answer, because I could choose to do the other oneBut what if you don't do choose to that? Also it's not hard to predict 'you'll pick the opposite of whatever I say'.
>>98892334Technically it is on topic since the basilisk cyoa was posted
>>98892310you don't seem to understand if I am dup I am always screwed no matter what but if I blow up the planet (and therefore Dr Evil also does so) then I will have revenge on the people screwing me over. it is therefore always better to get revenge no matter how much you will be tortured as you have no control over the torture but you do have control over the revenge.
what the fuck is sutistic
>>98892347The A key is next to the S key.
>>98892104>That would make any sense. The notion of 'power upgrade tiers' doesn't even show up until page 3. Having it at the start would be even more confusing.But that's where the concept of soul potential is first mentioned, it's where it makes most sense. Just after the body section.
>>98892327>you can't declare how much people should care about somethingIf it were text in a CYOA i'd agree, but all of game theory is about that, about representing the weights of preferences in numbers (or at least orderings) and then proceeding with the numbers such as they are because that allows them to demonstrate decisionmaking mechanics independently of subjectivity.
>>98892328>>98892160An addendum, if you beat the fuck out of the werewolves, they'll likely calm down about the witches but will be more eager to challenge you, specifically. Enough effort and werewolves beaten could lead to them trying to induct you as an honourary member of their clan, assuming you weren't still involved with the witches.
>>98892339>But what if you don't do choose to thatI simply will and you will look stupid. the thought experiment will end>Also it's not hard to predict 'you'll pick the opposite of whatever I say'.>>If I pick rock, he'll pick paper. If I pick paper, He'll pick scissors, and If I pick scissors he'll pick rock>>Alright, I HAVE YOU FIGURED OUT RETARD, LET'S DUEL>>PAPER!!!>>>scissors>>I kne-egh>>>[Anon wins], [rps ai loses]To win you have to make the correct prediction. Predicting that you will lose means nothing
>>98892344>if I am dup I am always screwed no matter what >as you have no control over the tortureWhat. If you surrender the station you don't get tortured, that's the whole premise!>"If in the next ten minutes Dup performs actions that correspond to deactivating the battlestation and surrendering, we will treat him well. Otherwise we will torture him."
>>98891878>>98891883>>98891891>>98891896Like, genuine question, why the fuck is the cyoa a one pager if you have this much information on it? How is a player supposed to divine any of this? Do you plan to show up every time the cyoa is posted? This level of information is either too important to be left out or worthless because it's not in the cyoa so the player has no way of knowing it. After reading all this it looked like a different cyoa.
>>98891896>If you helped her with the clutter, she’d be upset and then grateful, just to then start amassing more clutter. Sadly i am not the right person to deal with clutter
>>98892370and why should I trust that these people won't just turn the simulation off? for all I know if I am dup they will just kill me immediately
>You have received a temporary one week ban from RP ThoughtCraft. Reason: Power RP. This is your third and final warning.
>>98892384What the fuck is that?
unironically going to send an email to Adam Elga to tell him his Dr Evil analogy is stupid
>>98892368>I simply will and you will look stupid. the thought experiment will endOkay but what if you don't? It's not as though it is logically impossible for you to be convinced not to do that, so it shouldn't be logically impossible for a super AI to figure out how get you to not do that.Also this isn't about rock paper scissors, and there IS no 'just pick the other thing' in transparent Newcomb's Paradox/Roko's Basilisk that doesn't already apply to the normal version of the problem. Whether or not you can see it, the money is already in the boxes and the AI has already been built.
>>98892382nta but that's not a part of the thought experiment at all.
>>98892372>Like, genuine question, why the fuck is the cyoa a one pager if you have this much information on it?The CYOA doesn't need to be longer, because it only has the one choice. Relationships are complex and there's a lot of surrounding factors, but those don't factor in much to the immediate situation.>How is a player supposed to divine any of this?All of it is implied in the CYOA, isn't it? Apart from anon being able to learn magic, but that isn't the focus of the CYOA so it wasn't explained more. These answers are just elaborating more on what was my intent when writing in response to anon's questions.>Do you plan to show up every time the cyoa is posted?No. I don't really repost my own work, but I'm generally around to answer any questions or explain my reasoning.>This level of information is either too important to be left out or worthless because it's not in the cyoa so the player has no way of knowing it.It is all very tertiary to the CYOA, just expanding more on what's already hinted at. I figure that anon's headcanon is as big a part of any CYOA as the CYOA itself, if not more. It is his adventure after all. I've always thought that any authorial statements outside of a CYOA is just the author's headcanon, which can be good for insights but doesn't necessarily take precedence over what's in the text.>>98892373You and me both.
>>98892409>Okay but what if you don't? It's not as though it is logically impossible for you to be convinced not to do that, so it shouldn't be logically impossible for a super AI to figure out how get you to not do that.The ai isn't allowed try and change my answer, that's fucking retarded?The point is that a hypothetical prediction about my behaviours cannot be made, not that a given outsome cannot be forced>Also this isn't about rock paper scissorsIt's about prediction>and there IS no 'just pick the other thing' in transparent Newcomb's Paradox/Roko's Basilisk that doesn't already apply to the normal version of the problemDo you actually not understand that if I can see the boxes the whole thing falls apart?>Whether or not you can see it, the money is already in the boxes and the AI has already been built.The ai is the one on the other side of the fence and it will know when it has been built before choosing what to do. TriviallyThis is getting boring. Please come up with something better if you want to continue, ms heroine
>>98892357>Enough effort and werewolves beaten could lead to them trying to induct you as an honourary member of their clanWait, so if you chose Freedom, you could become get the werewolves on your side by starting a Fight Club?
>>98892318Non virgin waifus are already a stretch, one who maybe fucked a horse isn't at all in contentionEither she entirely didn't and there's no chance involved or she's out
>>98892438>The ai isn't allowed try and change my answer, that's fucking retarded?Not a part of the premises but whatever.>The point is that a hypothetical prediction about my behaviours cannot be madeBut it can. It's just that the prediction is 'you're going to try to pick the opposite of whatever I pick'.> Do you actually not understand that if I can see the boxes the whole thing falls apart?That's just flatly incorrect. Transparent Newcomb's paradox is literally already a thing that exists in the world of philosophy. Because whether or not you can see inside the boxes, it's always true that people who pick one box typically end up £999000 richer, and it's always true that the money has been placed before you enter.
>>98891537>Bullets, [...] he shrugs it all off with a frenzied bloodlust.>cyoa assumes I carry a loaded handgun on me when going on a walk like it's not even worth mentioningIs America really like that?
>>98892484You could hypothetically be carrying it, and if you were it wouldn't have helped
>>98892484>>cyoa assumes I carry a loaded handgun???do you carry an unloaded one?
>>98891537Planning to get Gertrude and start building my power for a year, acting loyal while enthralling people so to be prepared to subvert the structure in a year, and searching to ally myself with the other supernaturals, like the werewolves and the wizard.
>>98892328>>98892357Would be cool to befriend the wolves at least, rather than driving them off completely. Good way for you to practice your martial skills too, maybe a semi-consistent supply of werewolf blood will make me stronger? Complicated situation about the city, but once someone considers a place to be theirs, you just know that blood is going to be spilled. Best you can do is to not be nearby when the keg tilts over.If one desires to hunt and kill ones sire, what is to be expected of their abilities? Can i bolster my strength if i drain them of blood? It´s mainly for revenge, but nice to get something else out of it.Nice little cyoa by the way, night ride is still my favourite. But this was better than anticipated still.
A New Ghost v2 (Update)Changelog:You can now be both Weak and Immune to a Bane (which just ignores the Immunity). Not particularly different from the existing terminology, but it makes it more clear that Immunities from Anchors and such don't overrule Weaknesses.Ectoplasmic Body Archetype now grants the ability to move your ectoplasm remotely, if you can see it. I don't have it detailed in it anywhere, but this isn't accurate enough to replace Tangibility - it's more for directly a flow or splashing a wave into someone.Several more extra info entries at the end.4 new Signature Powers6 new Special Anchors1 new Favor (put in the middle of the list: Princess SupportAnd a new page (page 9, the old page 9 is now page 10) for Vows - drawbacks that give either power tiers or other unique boosts.Also added a little version number at the top-left.(1/10)
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>>98892452Yes. It would be much easier said than done without Agatha's strength enhancements, but proving your strength to the werewolves without giving them reason to hold a grudge is the most direct route to allying them.>>98892457As the author, in my conception of it, I don't think that Mildred fucked a horse. She did however, kill the thoroughbred racehorse that she raised from a colt and spent several weeks eating it raw to process her grief and anger after it failed to win its first major race. That's hundreds of kilos of meat and offal.>>98892484I don't know about the rest of America, but I live in the Deep South. Everyone here is armed to the teeth. I myself conceal carry a pistol but don't think much more about it than I do my belt. You aren't necessarily carrying a gun in the CYOA, but if you were, like anon says, it wouldn't make much difference.>>98892516A clever plan, and likely to succeed with sufficient guile. Gertrude would be as devastated as she was impressed.
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>>98892572>>98892517>maybe a semi-consistent supply of werewolf blood will make me stronger? It's better than human blood, but nowhere near as refined as a witch's blood.>If one desires to hunt and kill ones sire, what is to be expected of their abilities?Your sire is an extremely old, centuries old vampire, with all of the powers on offer to a decent degree of refinement. He is also massively weakened by turning you, unexpectedly so, and is now on par with an average human and will be for the next decade or so. The implications of this are terrifying to him. Right now, he's trying to get the hell out of there, cover his tracks, and stay far, far away from you in the future. He is very, very good at covering his tracks.>Can i bolster my strength if i drain them of blood?It wouldn't give you much direct improvement like magical blood, but would give you a better understanding of yourself as a vampire. You could consider it an improvement to your learning speed. Otherwise, it would be a couple of centuries before you gained the same insight. His motivation for turning you into a vampire is mostly that it had been a few generations since he last did and you happened to be there.>Nice little cyoa by the way, night ride is still my favourite. But this was better than anticipated still.I'm glad you liked the CYOA. I might do another waifu picker in the future, after my other WIPs are done.
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>>98892572>She did however, kill the thoroughbred racehorse that she raised from a colt and spent several weeks eating it raw to process her grief and anger after it failed to win its first major race.0_0
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>>98891397Your cyoas aren't good surinical...
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>>98892566>Uwu I didn't have time to source any non-ai high quality images anon sowwee>Here's my 7th update!!Fuck off beri
>>98892572Ok, thank you. In that case she is an acceptable but still not ideal choice
>>98891497how many chapters do you have to read to play this optimally?
>>98892572>I don't think that Mildred fucked a horse.You didn0t answer the most important question. Are the witches virgins? It's the only deciding factor between them.
>>98891537>Gertrude, the witch of Charms.In a modern setting, social power is obviously better than the other 2.
>>98892623Don't be rude to beri.
>>98892647Considering the kind of story it is, all of them.
>>98892647It's a good book, so you should read all of them, but I don't think much of the magic or world is too different from what you would expect, just vividly imagined and detailed in the magic system
>>98892357>if you beat the fuck out of the werewolves, they'll likely calm down about the witches but will be more eager to challenge you, specifically. That's fun
>>98892123>>98892137Thank you for your sacrifice. Thanks to you I have determined that this whole thing isn't worth it and I can safely ignore this cyoa.
>>98892566Can you use dreambreaking to prevent electronics from glitching?
>>98892623Shut up dork
>>98892657>>98892661maybe I willlooked it up and it only takes up 4 physical books so maybe it won't take half a year to read like some webnovels do
>>98892623I wasn't expecting to have today to work on it. I thought the last day I'd have was yesterday.>>98892684Yes and no. No, you'd need Technokinesis to stifle the effect. But yes, you could replace a computer screen with a Dreambreaking one that looks real but isn't functional, if your goal is stealth or such.
>>98892566Where is the enhanced potential? You said you added it.
>>98892708Sorry, my head is scrambled from rushing to get it done before dinner obligations. Enhanced potential? Can you quote me somewhere? I'm blanking on what that means right now.
>>98892649Look into your heart of hearts and ask yourself that question. You know the answer already.
>>98892566Still missing the difficulty options? What's the point of making them if they aren't in the cyoa?
>>98892649witches are servants of Satan who party with him every yeardo you think they are virgin?
>>98891537I'm on to your tricks, Satan. Lord, give me strength to vanquish evil!
>>98892608Most of these suck and the fact you have a limit to how many you can get despite that is such a shitty move.
>>98892716You said you added the difficulty option, and even showed a part of the page they were on. But now they are not there.
>>98892704>half a year to read like some webnovels doI finished most in like 1 week, 2 weeks max.
>>98892726>witches are servants of SatanDepends on type of witch. Some witches are just pagans that worship fairies like they're gods. You'll know the difference by how much fairy calling and nature magic vs necromancy and defaced religious symbols they use.Both get BTFO by Iron though. All spirits are weak to iron.
>>98892741Anon, you're a vampire. You're also on the shitlist.
>>98892707does soulsearching count as harm?
>>98891537>GertrudeI'm not so into the enhancements she gives me, but they are certainly useful. Mostly I like her approach; she seems like a straight shooter. I would also like to try learning her magic, and if nothing else I'm a crafty guy so I could tag along with my mundane work. Freedom is tempting but honestly I'd rather get a glimpse behind the scenes with an established group like this, and I should eventually be able to head out on my own anyway. Nice job man! Exactly what I was hoping for with this contest. You did well keeping the witches away from a stupid porn caricature. I could actually see myself enjoying any of the options
>>98892782God sees past all appearances. Amen.
>>98892845thanks!
>>98892850no problem :)
>>98892846In christian tradition, a vampire is a demon possessed corpse. There's a good chance your soul already moved on and the vampire is a demon that Thinks it's you because it's thinking with your brain and has your memories.Like ancestors in Slayer Vampire: https://imgchest.com/p/qe4gxqboyj2
>>98890608Sweet! Love drawbacks, love to make compromises to gain more power and find creative ways to overcome my drawbacks. Drawbacks are S tier CYOA design, and every CYOA can be made better with a nice drawback section, no exceptions!>>98890967>>98890860>difficulty section I detest the majority of difficulty sliders, as they usually are just "choose your starting points" which makes the standard starting point the highest option, and the CYOA is not balanced for that option. But why the fuck would you take any difficulty option other than the highest since it is logically the best option? Fucking hate that bullshit, retarded design. If you get more points, there need to be some kind of drawbacks. I can only think of 1 CYOA that I like with a difficulty section (Choose a Power Level), which is the Hunter CYOA, pic realted.I seriously hope that your drawback section isn't just a lazy difficulty slider.
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>>98892742Eh i can see some that i would be fine picking. That being said i don't understand why would you pick unbalanced banes can't you just pi... Oh you can't just pick another bane pair
>>98892566You made a good thing with the difficulty options, why are they not in there now?
>>98892770stuff like Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, or Worm can easily take half a year for someone to read
>>98892924they were shitposts
>>98892924They are on that image. You can use that image.
>>98892749Oh, you mean >>98890967 . That's just a stand-alone mini-page you can use if you want. Optional. My apologies, I didn't mean to imply it would be inserted into an existing page.>>98892707Reading with soulsearching is not harm, but editing someone's mind does.>>98892894It's a stand-alone, optional mini-page. Like cheat codes in a video game, they're not the 'intended' way to play the CYOA, but ultimately, you can do whatever you want. That's why I used Goku as the imagery, to capture goofier, lighthearted vibes.
>>98893005Misreplied. In that last post. Meant:>It's a stand-alone, optional mini-page. Like cheat codes in a video game, they're not the 'intended' way to play the CYOA, but ultimately, you can do whatever you want. That's why I used Goku as the imagery, to capture goofier, lighthearted vibes.for >>98892924As for >>98892894 I meant to say,I tried to make them a little harsh so it would mostly be figuring 2 or 3 extra points that fit well enough with a build. I hope they are to your liking.
>>98893005>It's a stand-alone, optional mini-page. Like cheat codes in a video game, they're not the 'intended' way to play the CYOA, but ultimately, you can do whatever you want.Don't legitimize cheating Satrefags with a DLC, if those animals want to cheat, they will do it regardless. Adding legitimate cheat options will just devalue the CYOA and make it worse.
>>98892608>>98893019I really like this drawback section. It's the first time I've seen drawbacks that give unique benefits rather than points. I like it so much that I think I'm gonna use this concept in a future CYOA, either the Vidja Valhalla-inspired CYOA or maybe the Avatar CYOA I had in mind.
>>98892608>Read dreamrip>Somehow i read it as The exact change made qill be based on your dream, desites or fears >Oh that's probably fine for my use case>Read it again and realize it depends on nearby humans and not meWelp dreambreaking is once again off the list.
>>98893174Ah also i will probably go to bed before i update my build. It's late o clock
>>98892615>Fight the VI really think such extremely open ended and mysterious options don't work well within cyoa format. At all.
>>98893246First, why do you need the cyoa to hold your hand like that? Can't you actually choose your own adventure? Those open ended options are the best, because they offer the most freedom.Second, I'm pretty sure that one isn't actually as open ended as you think. That's one of the outer gods from beri's other cyoa, a new avatar, so you already know what's happening there and what she's roughly capable of.
>>98893274What outer god? I don't recognize her.
>>98892566>BodyEnticing 4>EctoplasmViolet>PowersVitality 2Willwell 3Anchoring 3Possession 3Dreambreaking 3Technokinesis 1Soulsearching 3Farseeing 3>Signature PowerLiminal Space>BanesSunlight (Immune) Water (Weakness)Silver (Weakness)Barrier (Weakness)Salt (Weakness)>AnchorCognitohazard (anyone who looks at a specific symbol)>VowsExtra Weakness x3Passionheart (Lust)Immense HungerWeird Diet (Lust)Soul Contract (Peaceful Mage)>FavoursMovie NightAdopt PetsTo The TempleUpdated Symbol of Warping to go in a far more lust based direction. Now I can actually use technology, am not Innocent so I'm able to harm people, can possess people to take physical form and am much harder to exorcise. In exchange I am very dependent on lust, (given my powers that should be extremely easy to satisfy) and have more weaknesses (that are resisted by possessing people).
>>98893290I meant that type of existence, but the context makes her similar to the River Of Souls one, there is literally one called that if I remember right. Or she could be just an avatar. Either way, it's not as unfathomable as it appears because you have a reference.
>>98892583I want my ghost form to be black with some cyan details. Initially, I thought I should pick Hybrid Plasm, but when reading it it says I can be 1 of the 2 colors or a swirling or flashing mix, which is not what I want. So is the only option to attain my desired aesthetic to choose prismatic ectoplasm, which has no real benefits other than being aesthetic?
>>98893317A New Avatar is a mistake. It's not even a cyoa, it is Wisivis' own adventure, not yours.
>>98893339>t. Helios
>>98893346>Magi Case out of nowhereJust read how she works. Your meme is empty and useless here.
>>98893353*You sense death*
>>98893339Can't be a mistake when grilu is there and she a best
>>98893364All I sense is a parrot who doesn't really understand the context.
>>98893376Drac victim
>>98892603hi.Is there a ghost internet? like chatrooms where ghosts can talk to one another on the real internet, a secret ghost chatroom? Also, does the ghost train deliver people to purgatory?
>>98892608I said aw many Beri gave into the losers and made drawbacks. But these are fantastic. I won't be taking any of them because I don't need them or want them but these are very well done.
>>98893092I'm glad you like it! I look forward to reading those CYOAs when you finish either.>>98893174Was there nowhere else you could get the single point that Dreamrip essentially offers, or is it that you were particularly interested in it automatically making reality changes based on your own desires?>>98893246That's why I mix it in with plenty of less open-ended ones, so that if it's not your thing, you can just go for any of the others.>>98893274>>98893290I actually intended that option to be a sort of inner god - something that lacks the 'infinity' of outer ones, but that is a deity-level power contained within this universe.>>98893316I'd be a little wary of a couple of your Weaknesses, at least - namely Silver and Salt, which could mess up your possession if you're not careful. But that said, you've got good Vitality and it's not like you're murdering people so I can't imagine there'd be much of a concerted effort for anyone to exorcise you. I like that you're going all-in on a Weird Diet.>>98893326I'd go for Hybrid Plasm - I wanted to add more examples of ways they could mix, but was running against the text limit. Highlights are well within the realm of what I intended.>>98893339I laughed at that. Thank you.>>98893433If you want supernatural Internet, look no further than the Hellweb! Hell game up with dimensional Internet first, so now everyone that wants to stay connected uses it, even Heaven. But you can also find ghosts on the regular Internet - if you can filter out people just roleplaying as a ghost or such. The Ghost Train delivers people to the River of Souls that leads to Purgatory, but sometimes it might stop inside the office building to let passengers out, if that's an easier distance. If it's your Anchor, you could request it stop there rather than at the river and it would be happy to oblige. You could say 'hi' to the Titan ghosts.>>98893457I'm glad you like them! Thanks!
>>98892608>Soul ContractAt first I thought this was a free drawback if you make a contract with a mortal. Since they won't be ordering you around once they die. But the more I think about it, the more this seems like a trap option. I have no clue what it means to not have a soul. I think I would rather have a soul than 1 measly power tier...
>>98893511It's only a timeshare. You still own the majority of your soul, and if you move on to the afterlife, you get it back (since you're the majority owner). You could theoretically trade for that share back, but it isn't something the person would part with easily, and mind-controlling effects would nullify and new agreement you try to make to end the arrangement, too. In short, soul-law is robust enough that you don't need to think about the existential problems associated with it. As for your timeshare owner dying, the timeshare would then get inherited to their next of kin or someone they specify in their will (and again, as this is a matter of soul, warping reality or forging a signature isn't enough to overrule the mortal's decision). Given enough time, you're likely to end up fully owning your soul again even before moving on to the afterlife, but it's unlikely to happen within a single mortal lifetime.
>>98893499Can i touch you?
>>98892566BODY:>Soulfire 1>Ectoplasmic 2ECTOPLASM:>WhitePOWERS:>Visibility 3>Tangibility 1>Vitality 1>Willwell 1>Embodiment 3>Ectoplasm Font 1>Cursing 3>Soulsearching 2>Splitsoul 3>Flight 1HYBRID POTENTIAL:>Hybrid BodySIGNATURE POWER:>Weaver of VowsBANES:>Discovery: Weakness>Sunlight: Weakness>Holiness: ImmuneANCHOR:>Object (Candelabra)VOWS:>Extra Weakness>Easily Sealed>Sole Anchor>PacifismFAVORS:>Reform Angels>Save Lives>To the TempleI like the increased flexibility in this version, although I didn't really have a problem with the amount of points in the original. This is sort of a spin on votive candles. I'm not sure how to phrase it but material consistency is very important to me in my builds and my own CYOAs, and it's something that is both encouraged and frustrated by Beri CYOAs, which often rely on elements, strange substances, or whatever. For my first build I was inspired by a predatory jelly, which seemed apropos considering the ectoplasmic ghost thing. Now I'm going for wax and fire. I intend mostly to help people, but I'm hoping that Pacifism will be overridden in part by Weaver of Vows, in that I can write in consent to being harmed (only mildly, probably) as a component of the vow. It wouldn't do to completely negate some of the more powerful curses
>>98893499>Was there nowhere else you could get the single point that Dreamrip essentially offers, or is it that you were particularly interested in it automatically making reality changes based on your own desires?Was maybe considering picking dreambreaking back again after i cutted it down to save on points and having that "discount" in exchange for having reality subconsciously warped to my inner desires and stuff sounded fine on my book and made it more appealing to retake.Besides chances are that whatever shenanigans my deepest self ends up leaking into reality might be more fun than whatever i would think of personally.
>>98893339It is the worst received beri cyoa.
>>98893613Which does say a lot about how highly beri's cyoas are received.
This one's likely my favorite
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>>98893613It is?
>>98893645Beri cyoas are usually innocuous and comfy, they avoid most problematic things and manage to have a pretty neutral perspective. Even cyoas that would look like btg at first glance aren't, like Fairy Queen or Royal Revival, I think there are only 1 or 2 beri cyoas that are actually forced btg.It just so happens that beri made the mistake of making the supposedly unkowable eldritch entities waifu shaped while failing to give you any sort of special connection with them. Anons don't want to share a waifu with everyone else who picked the same patron.
>>98893662It has forced cuckshit in it so of course it is.
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>>98893672Dunno if anything it just seems like a weird harem to me
Does a woman count as being a non virgin if the person who fucked her was your future self?
>>98893815If she got fucked now by future self she is not a virgin otherwise yes
>>98893831Incredible sentence
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>>98893831But for the purposes of marriage, is she marked as unclean?
It would have been great if Mummy had come out on top in the contest poll. I could have entered this one all over again
>>98893869AllSyncanon - these pages are in the wrong order
>>98892590Great update, now I have to decide wether as second signature I want immortal blessing or weaver of vows.
>>98892883>the vampire is a demon that Thinks it's you because it's thinking with your brain and has your memories.>Like ancestors in Slayer VampireI won that fight tho?
>>98893852No because you fuck her for the first time in the future meaning that when the time comes you WILL go back in time and fuck her.
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>>98892883It's basically the same thing identity is personality and memory anyways soul is only a vessel so it doesn't really matter if it's inside of a soul or a demon. It's only a vessel just like flesh.
>>98891397It's so fucking funny that Roko's enduring legacy is being eaten by the bad idea he made up.
