What caused massive decrease of Dark Elves popularity in tabletops?I remember them being very popular in 00sIs it because these days people only want to play as boring ass humans?
Drizzt books had not shit the bed yet.Drizzt was a big deal in the 90's-00s. Also, real edgy goths. You don't remember real goths. If you did you wouldn't have asked about why the race for goths is not everywhere like goths used to be.Half my friends were goths. All of them played drow at one time or another.
I think they got popular for a while because of the Drizzt novels, but then it got kinda oversaturated and the community got sick of everyone basing their characters on him.
>>98899056Tieflings have largely subsumed their role as the "creature with inherent evil tendencies that strives to do good in spite of that" race, at least in D&D.For other tabletops, dunno. Most of the other stuff I play isn't fantasy, and the one I run that is doesn't have dark elves or tieflings technically.
>>98899087I hated goths and emo, and still was okay with drow
>>98899056>Fatigue from overuse.>Teiflings replaced Drow as the designated outcast player race.>Fourth wave feminist tourists would never allow the 'evil matriarchy' to stand as canon.>The racially obsessed tourists would never allow a race of evil dark-skinned slavers to stand as canon.It was like a perfect storm built for for memoryholing.
>>98899056Fads come and go. Don't bother analyzing it too much.
Drow have been entirely defanged and made gay and retarded much like everything else DnD related. Without any bite to them, there's no real impetus to play them for the thrill of being a truly twisted, cruel race.
>>98899209I disagree with that being a reason, dark elves in warhammer rp always were evil backstabbing assholes, and there the least popular not core race.And lack of focus on them from creators can't be blamed either, because they still get focus and materials
>>98899159>>98899128>>98899087These.Plus there's a specific type of edgy weebery that rapidly fell out of fashion in the mid 2010s.
>>98899056Thieflings and various other races assumed the freakshit title
>>98899056The zeitgeist changed.Early to mid 00s were edgelords with shitty tribals and heavy metal bend. Drows catered to thatCurrently you have people who consider playing human male fighter the peak of edge and masturbate to that, so you've get less drows.Also, last time we had media with prominent drow presence, it was late 00s. Adults who play games now were in preschool back then.
>>98899128>Tieflings have largely subsumed their role as the "creature with inherent evil tendencies that strives to do good in spite of that" race, at least in D&D.They really didn't.The tiefling track and drow track were completely separate and run parallel to each other. Didn't prevent retards like you to claim "local edgelord" and "local snowflake" are the same.
>>98900481Pathfinder had nice drow adventure decade ago
>>98899056It became cringe to play either the 1000th dual wielding trope subverting good drone ranger, and also cringe to play the femdom-coded evil matriarch at a table full of dudes.
>>98900485Tieflings used to be like Hellboy or Blade or D or whoever; the half-monster guy who fights monsters.Now they're a safe-edgy cosmetic badge for qu33r folx
>>98900799>Things that never happened, but I will insist on anyway>More things that I will claimIt wasn't true when this bait started a decade ago and still didn't became true to this day.Also,. tieflings popularity absolutely tanked when they were added as a core race - there was a short-lived spike, then it went down hard, so by the time 5e released, they were maybe third of how popular they were around 4e premiereYou would know, if you weren't such blatant never-game faggot and/or underage cunt
>>98900511... and that was basically the swan song of the drow popularity, already arriving as an obituary
>>98901092I have seen tables where 80% of the PCs are tieflings. I don't think I've seen a single 5e table where there wasn't at least one tiefling, often non-binary (which, like vegans, they will tell you).
>>98901130So you were at 0 tables and also 0 tables? Wow, impressive!
>>98901130You are either a lying nogames, or an insufferable cunt who is forced to play with the dredges because you don't have any friends. Either way, your opinion is worth less than dirt because I rarely if ever see tieflings come up, in fact almost every 5e game I've ever run is the most boring shit ever with a bunch of generic humans and maybe an elf if I'm lucky. It's because 5e variant human is just broken as fuck.
>>98899056They basically took everything cool away from them because people want to play the edgy cool race but not carry any of the baggage that comes with it.
>>98901130>often non-binaryThe character or the player? >>98901186>pajeeta reaction image>can't into basic statisticspottery
>>98899056They weren't oppressed enough after years of Drizzt clones making them look like half the fucking species are just misunderstood brooding loners, so for people to get their fix they had to move on to an even more evil species to heroically fight against racism. Enter the Tiefling.
Do you guys pronounce it drow rhymes with bow or drow rhymes with bow and what was your first ttrpg? I've been half-assedly collecting data on this for years and a pattern is emerging.
>>98899087>You don't remember real goths.neither do youreal goths were an 80s / early 90s phenomenon with extremely rare stragglers in the 2000sright now there are more people who understand goth culture (thanks to the internet) than there were in the late 2000s
>>98899056Tbh I feel like their popularity was overblown. It may be the group I was playing with at the time (scions of the upper middle class at a boarding school that was founded 4 years after Jamestown was) but I only came across one dude who played a drow in the 00s.I mostly play/run ACKS and Traveller these days so I couldn't comment on how popular modern dnd races are but the last time I played 5e the dude who played a tiefling was an objectionable, self obsessed, self righteous cunt.
>>98903446>I mostly play/run ACKSso sorry to hear that
>>98903474I enjoy it and my players enjoy it. Nothing to be sorry about.
>>98903446Wow, no idea how far apart we are, but I can smell the total faggot reek coming from you.
>>98903479It's the way he definitely sounds like an objectionable, self-obsessed, self-righteous cunt, isn't it? It's actually pretty amazing that he managed to get that across in under fifty words.
>>98903479>>98903494Tiefling players detected.Y'all being mad aside I never said he was a cunt because he played a tiefling. He was very big into trying to police language (he would complain if we used the word retard for instance) he also was constantly trying to organise events in 'solidarity' with some cause de celebre and would get upset when no one else was interested in playing dnd in solidarity with Syria. We ran a collection for Able Gamers and the dude wanted to give a quarter of our money to BLM and some islamic charity that turned out to be a front for ISIS.
>>98903479The ACKShill has that effect on people.
>>98903619I think it's more about> (scions of the upper middle class at a boarding school that was founded 4 years after Jamestown was>complaining about someone else being an insufferable faggotACKs is fine as long as you homebrew out rules that force player to booringly minmax all their actions
>>98899056The socialist terrorist cells that took over wizards changed everything about drow after 3.5e. They went from an inherently, uncompromisingly evil fuedal industrialist matriarchy with a demon blood curse; To... Wishywashy ineffectual yaoi caricatures like drowtales that stand for nothing and have no purpose for existing.Previously, they had a purpose as endless reinforcements for the blood war, which is why Lolth made them and their society into a meatgrinder. To filter them down to the most vicious, then kill them too so they can go help push Asmodeous' shit in while upstaging his bdsm fashion sense at the same time. They were once the most badass evil race of all time that weren't just literal inhuman monsters like the yaun-ti, that was the entire appeal. It had nothing to do with goths or whatever the usual insufferable faggots on this god forsaken garbage board are limpwristing about as they often do. Fucking retards.
>>98904047>Lying on the internet>Lying on /tg/ out of places and unironically think that no one read first 3 Drizzt books>Actually forcing headcanon into it about blood war
>>98903643By the time you're done homebrewing out the dumb rules, you might as well have been playing a game that isn't a slog heartbreaker from the start. It's a very mediocre game, but its last few fans are outright awful.
>>98904083Read the old core books and supplements you walking tumor, you fucking chromosonal black hole, absolute AIDS avatar.
>>98903397>Do you guys pronounce it drow rhymes with bow or drow rhymes with bow Everyone here is either too ESL or too zoomoid to get this joke, anon.
>>98904430Interesting headcanon, but point it out in official material where it was stated that lolth did it all for blood war, lmao.
>>98904521>Do hours of citations because some belligerent random retard who can just ignore it or vanish into the ether forever said soOh okay sure hold on video essay inc. Or maybe I'll just call you a gorilla retard nigger.
>>98904572>coming up with retarded headcanon in an attempt to lie on a board where people actually play tabletop games(at least some of them) and know basic lore, of all places>getting mad when called outTruly pathetic subhuman behavior
>>98904572>naming one fucking source book = hours of citationok lying retard
>>98904603>>98904609Its still right there waiting for you ignorant fucking niggers. All you have to do is not be lazy pieces of shit, its on pdf.
>>98904738what is the name of this book you're telling me to find a pdf fore, shitstain? you don't know, because it doesn't exist
>>98904797You barely sentient absolute fucking useless nematode. I gave you more than enough context than you'll ever need to find it with '3.5e.'
>>98899056Way I see it, these are the explanations>they lost everything that made them cool, they're just 'elves with grey skin' now>people may find it '''problematic''' to have dark elves be evil or persecuted because MUH RACISM AGAINST FANTASY RACES!!!>there are other flashier and ''''unique'''' options now, like tieflings and other such things.It's a shame. I liked dark elves. I much preferred them over the fucking oversaturation of tieflings we have now. Everyone wants to be special, they end up just making the exact same character.
>>98903397>rhymes with bowso you'd pronounce it drow? that's stupidit rhymes with bow
>>98904824NTA it doesn't say anything about that in drow of the underdark
>>98903404>this is not a real goth>this is real goth>noo, this is emoDoesn't really matter, we still were voted the most likely to shoot school and weren't allowed to sit at table with popular kids.
>>98905130You stupid fucking subhuman yes it does. Eat my entire asshole you illiterate piece of shit its the center of an all evil drow player campaign I hate you so fucking much. If it were up to me I'd make haemonculi from your misbegotten genome and prostitute them out to whatever unknowns are out there for the lulz. Thats all you're good for, just a bunch of holes for whatever wishes to slide into them. Fuck you monkey whore. Get fucked and die like you deserve a thousand times over.
>>98905427It has been a while since I read it but ctrl+ffinds no results for "blood war," "bloodwar," "Amsodeus," or even "Asmo."Now post an actual source.
>>98905489I can't believe you are even a real thing because the long term implications of your existence are too horrifying to contemplate. Help me niggerman I'm going insane aà aaaaaaaaa.
>>98904047>t. retarded nogames with no reason to exist.
>>98904430Yeah, we can tell you never read any books D&D or not.
>>98905774>>98905777>Accuse the enemy of what you're doing as you do it to create confusionAre you sure you want to do this so flamboyantly?
>>98905859Only you know why you are acting flamboyantly retarded, nogames. When you could try backing up your tardass claims.
>>98899056I like playing Drow/Dark Elf, mainly because it gives me a justification to be a bit of an evil prick to inferior surface dwellers
>>98906022I told you three times now you illiterate piece of shit. The 3.5e books and supplements. Read them or fuck right off my planet. I'm done with you subhumans that think the planet simply spontaneously generated six years ago when you turned twelve and gained the capacity for long term memory, only for it to get fucked by vaccines you never actually needed. Suck my asshole, the bile and taurine might actually give you some much needed testosterone. It might preserve your hairline.
>>98906257Yes, everyone can tell you never read any D&D book or really any other kind of books. You retarded nogames.
>>98906467Bait me once shame on me, bait me twice shame on you. Bait me three times, you are fucking gay. Whatever gay boy.
>>98906482Enough about you being hit in your stupid face by your mom's cock, nogames.
>>98906565Lil bro, common.
>>98906574No, it is not common to be hit in the face with mom dong.
>>98905506I also checked fiend folio. There is no quote that states the drow society is designed to prepare them to be blood war reinforcements.
>>98905427This is exactly what a 3.5 drow would respond with. 10/10.
>>98899087Fpbp
>>98903397First TTRPG? PF2How I pronounce it? Like it's spelled
When I was a kid, I thought Dhampir and Shifters were the coolest "edgy" player races. What happened to those? Everyone likes a vampire or werewolf. Shifters also had the advantage that their D&D art had human faces with sharp teeth, not a fucking snout, so they're crucially Not Furries even though they still get to be a werewolf, and that's brilliant. But if some teenager today wants to play a "brooding, misunderstood" character it's gonna be Tiefling, Tiefling, Tiefling. Playable vampires dropping feels wrong, because vampires are always popular. Dropping Dragonborn, same thing. Of course some players would want to play as a dragon, so I thought Dragonborn were a lucid addition and I was surprised when they disappeared. Eh.
>>98899154This is the big one. They're dark-skinned (well, black-skinned) and are evil S&M matriarchy. In the modern day, this would not fly.It leads to dumb shit like Drizzt's exile in the underdark being completely pointless: He could simply have gone to the two cities of Neutral / Good drow.
>>98903542That guy sounds like an actual retard
>>98899540I miss it every day
>>98911015>It leads to dumb shit like Drizzt's exile in the underdark being completely pointless: He could simply have gone to the two cities of Neutral / Good drow.Drizzt left during 2e, back then whore goddess of good drow was deadEven in first books we had his father and his sister, who could technically count as good or at least neutral(her sister haven't reported him when he refused to do orgy/have sex with her)
>>98899056Tieflings
>>98899056People worked out they could just play High elves as evil so didn't need to go into a specific Dark-Elf subtype for their evil elf fix.
>>98899056Sex the dark elf
>>98911093I've never cared about Icewind Dale and shit but I'm thinking should I get into Drizzt novels just for thd coomery and debauchery? Is that shit good?
>>98911206>I'm thinking should I get into Drizzt novels just for thd coomery and debauchery? Is that shit good?NoNot enough coomer materialAnd books aren't that good either, with some things being edgy for the sake of edgy, outside of drow societyThird book was especially full of bullshit like that
>>988990565e giving them Disadvantage in Sunlight back in 2014. Made them a bastard to play unless the group was going around at night or perpetually in a dungeon.
I never got about to reading Drizzt Durden's novels, what are considered the good ones? is there a clear drop off point?
>>98899056People said dark elves are a stand in for black people and now people don't want to play them.
>Drow finally became a core race in 5e>by becoming a subrace for elves
>>98912340Icewind Dale trilogyPrequel trilogyAnd maybe Blades of the Hunter trilogy, no further.
>>98899056They're just kind of a scummy negro race... At least from my experience, there aren't many games with a Drow like race that aren't just a group of misandrist murderhobos who exist to make chaotic evil look like a valid alignment. Even nowadays when they've massively softened how needlessly cruel their society is its a hard sell.
>>98910689Shifters, like Warforged and Changelings, suffered from being an "Eberron race" and therefore not having an easy time transferring to other settings.
>these days people only want to play as boring ass humanslollmaolmfao
I miss them being little guys.
>>98899056It's not that there was a decrease in popularity, but that there was a trend for them being popular and then the trend died.
>>98911015It was fairly contrived to begin with. Salvatore did all kinds of damage to FR drow for the sake of his special little guy.
>>98899087>>98903404"Real" goths seem a lot like "real" socialism.
>>98911015The real answer is to have two warring drow states.One gets to be the bdsm spider gynecocracy we already know.The other one is basically The Stepford Wives, less bloodshed, more brainwashing.They're constantly holding skirmishes and blackbagging people from one to the other.
>>98915458Throw in neutral commune of recluses, kinda stinky, well versed in drugs and poisons, don't have ambition to start shit with anybody else but will fight back fierce and dirty when pushed too far.
>>98899056General loss of Downsides to most Player Races, and the move away from dungeon-heavy campaigns into well-lit campaigns caused Drow with their Sunlight Sensitivity to generally die off. Most that would've played Drow to be Edgy went Tiefling, since they're in the same book and not hidden in a subraceAs someone who nornally plays dark elves in vidya, the former is the reason why I've never played them in D&D
>>98899056What this retard >>98899087 failed to mention is how Draenei - I mean TIEFLINGS - replaced drow as the safe-edgy "rebelling against their nature" chaotic good renegades grappling with racism/bigotry and thus the only niche left for drow are people playing them straight as villains or morally dubious at best instead of drizzt clones.
>>98904838Tranny art
>>98915476made me want to play bg3Then I remembered that all classes there are boring
>>98899056They changed Dark Elves/Drow from the edgy racists edgelord villians who enslave anyone they can and fearfully worship a dark goddess in hopes avoid her wrath, to the same blob BS just with a different gimmick feature. Remember EVERYTHING is the same or can be.
>>98916197They are still all these things>edgy racists edgelord villians who enslave anyone they can and fearfully worship a dark goddess in hopes avoid her wrath
>>98916210WOTC got rid of the concept of "Slavery" in all their current settings, as well as push groups of non-evil groups that don't worship the spider goddess. Paizo got rid of slavery as well and removed the drow dark elves from their setting and now it's lizard people. Hell they got rid of dark elves and now elves can be any "human race" with pointed ears over elves. They been changed like most corpo slop to be woke and gay.
>>98903446I can't wait for Beyond All Others to come out. Love the Spellsinging mechanic they shown off from it, also which version of Traveller do you play? Been tempted to get back into trying it as I mostly been fucking with Stars without Number for my space games.
>>98903479Hi Fishfag, still whining about ACKS I see.
>>98917139>WOTC got rid of the concept of "Slavery" in all their current settingsYou should at least actually check if alt right grifters clickbaiting you or not, before posting your wrong opinions.
>>98915663Pretty much, especially since the gays are now doing the demons aren't really evil but "misunderstood" or whatever they Hazbin Hotel BS they been pushing is now. (Basically Heaven is evil and Hell is good cause we like Hell more due to we don't like Christians and God.)
>>98917193Dude, WOTC fucking admitted they removing "slavers and slavery" from their settings.
>>98899056People got tired of cutting themselves on all that edge.Now tieflings are the 3edgey5you race.
>>98917243You literally can play right now latest out of abyss reprint and drow slavers will still be there.Spelljammer is full of slaver races.Red Wizards are still around.If anything we got even more monsters with enslavement mechanics in recent years.If you want to shitpost about that shit, go back to /v/ or /pol/.hope warcraft dnd would give orcs slave trade and ability to enslave npc, but I just know that it won't happen though
>>98911093>he refused to do orgy/have sex with herWait, really? I didn't know Drizzt was gay.
>>98918145he's not, he's just autistic.
>>98904454Bow as in bow and arrow, or bow as in the bow of a ship.
>>98899056>massive decrease of Dark Elves popularityDark elves are supposed to be inherently evil, and we as a society shy away from considering *anything* or *anyone* as being inherently evil. Also, we've tended to tone down the conventional sexual appeal of just about every character and group. Being evil and sexy were the two big things that dark elves had going for them. If they can't be evil or overtly sexy, then they're just regular elves.
