This is the OSR WF thread. This is a for a special group of OSR games, along with OSR-adjacent and retro games. You can talk about all OSR (Pre Wotc D&D, & retroclones) & OSR-adjacent (Mork Borg, SWN etc) games without distinction here, except for ACKS. ACKS is specifically excluded, along with all ACKS-like games and the other Autarch products. ACKS is being excluded because its fans have a tendency to be disruptive. If you want to talk about ACKS, do so elsewhere.Remember, report and ignore all trolling.Thread Question:What's your favorite under-rated magical item?
Aside from magic swords, I don't really pay much attention to magic items.I did have a lot of fun with a Medallion of ESP though. Way too overpowered and incredibly useful, having ESP at will makes every mind you encounter a potential tool.
>>98900368>Mork BorgI don't understand why this game is praised for its graphic design. IN YOUR FACE BRIGHT YELLOW PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE is not good design.
>>98900412ESP is a very mother-may-I spell. I've had DMs that made it very unfun to use.
>>98900368>What's your favorite under-rated magical item?Murlynd's Spoon.It produces gruel every day. You can retire as an adventurer and just live off of the gruel. You could even feed a family of four with just one spoon.It's basically game over, happy end.
>>98900368favorite ACKS items is likely the "bag of caltrops", as I like to use them a lot
>>98900578based, for me its dust of alil khazim. you blow it out in a cone, and targets must save or die, and if they die, they become zombies under your command.
This might really be the worst adventure of all time. I heard it was bad, but looking through it makes me wonder how it's possible that it got published.It's really poorly written. Bad writing isn't rare for early modules, but we're talking about poor grammar, clumsy language, and odd ticks that feel unprofessional and forced. I spent more time contemplating about the story of how this got through any sort of quality control process than I did about any story the adventure was supposed to have.But, it's the linearity that's surprising. Linear adventures are also not rare, but this adventure actually tells the DM to encourage certain actions and steer the players. It's linear in a way that's almost offensive.
>>98900447No one really plays MorkBorg.Even people who like Borg play one of the hundred Borg-likes instead.
>>98900578>>98900625Please take any and all ACKS discussion elsewhere. Thank you.
>>98900368Hat of Disguise.You can use it like a free redo for any social encounter. That's a big deal if you like to act risky.>>98900636I play MÖRK BORG.You also got it 100% wrong. It's all caps, with a space, and with an umlaut.
>>98900650this is an osr thread, sorry. feel free to contact the mods via IRC. Anyways, heres another acks item I like:
>>98900632>This might really be the worst adventure of all time.That's not Tomb of Horrors.
>>98900721This is an OSR WF thread.Stop attempting to be disruptive.
>>98900636I played Mork when it first came out. I liked its energy. I'm really not surprised it exploded in popularity because it felt like OSR but minus the boomer nostalgia.>one of the hundred Borg-likes instead.I got caught up playing Pirate Borg, but I'd still be down to play Mork if the opportunity presented itself.
>>98900412>Way too overpoweredIt's a 2nd level spell at will. It's exactly about as powerful as you'd expect.For really overpowered, a Ring of Invisibility is also a 2nd level spell at will, but it's full on game-breaking.
>>98900368>What's your favorite under-rated magical item?Great question OP! I really like the Unremarkable Cloak from the ACKS Treasure Tome
>>98900578Great choice, Anon!
>>98900625Nice one, I love it!
Just ignore the ACKS spammer.This is just the thing he does.
>>98900775>For really overpowered, a Ring of Invisibility is also a 2nd level spell at will, but it's full on game-breaking.Why game-breaking? I don't see it, it's only 49,500 gp in value
>>98900632>>98900736>not castle greyhawk
>>98900775>a Ring of Invisibility is also a 2nd level spell at wilYou're wrong, Anon. It isn't a 2nd level spell, though, it's a 3rd level spell. And it is not at will either, it's once per turn. See the screenshot here >>98900875
>>98900737no idea wtf "OSR WF" is, but this is an osr thread. are you that guy who cant produce a functioning character sheet?<pic cont:> skin. If the throw succeeds, the attacker retains his weapon. Theeffects of this potion last 1 turn. Any weapons stuck to the drinkerfall free when the duration expires or the drinker is slain
>>98900650>being politeDoesn't work on trolls.>>98900736Tomb of Horrors has my absolute least favorite puzzle/trap of all time. Actually, it has several.The magical doorways that you can't do anything about except get fucked if you go through them are particularly dumb.
>>98900875its stronger in AD&D where there is no 1-turn restriction to activation. >>98900873quit cryin' lil bro, at least they are posting about games. all you do is cry and complain lmao
>>98900894Cool one! It basically turns you into an ACKS Living Iron Statue! It had never occurred to me to make magic items reproducing monster powers.
>>98900368>Thread Question:>What's your favorite under-rated magical item?I just wanted to say great question, OP. It's really easy to make posts, one can just open the book at a random page and talk about the magic item he sees there. No need to actually have ever played a game, or to have anything interesting to say. I love posts that are one-liners devoid of actual content. Good on you!
>>98900873Filters are really useful here.>>98900897It at least removed any doubt that he's doing anything but trolling.
>>98900906>its stronger in AD&DAh, so the other Anon did not get the update to AD&D by Macris. That explains it!
>>98900908granting unique abilities is what all magic items should do, imo.Forget a +1 sword, Id much rather have a sword that looks like a cobra and lets lets me do a 1/day save-or-die venom spit>>98900917kek, he has never played and never will. Hes a third worlder being paid to ruin the site by making it unbearable to post, and erode board culture. See: "mining the chans">>98900923>AD&D as translated by Macrisonly he is capable of such a feat
>>98900933>>AD&D as translated by Macris>only he is capable of such a featHands down the best RPG designer since 1983. There's a reason Sydney Sweeney is a fan of ACKS.
had a lot of fun playing ACKS as a fighter that got turned into a werewolf. Eventually I got spiked barding and almost never left wolf form. (the armor was put on me by my henchman, a farmer-turned-explorer)
>>98900368pardon my retardation, what does WF stand for?
>>98900941>had a lot of fun playing ACKS as a fighter that got turned into a werewolfAre the ACKS rules for lycanthropy any good? The ones from the DMG are a bit too heavy for my taste.
>>98900950>they
>>98900947its not you thats retarded, its the brain-damaged turdie nogames OP that is retarded. >>98900950picrel>>98900952theyre fine. certainly made for a fun experience!
>>98900958Ah, cool, so they're actually SIMPLER than the DMG ones. So much for the detractors who say ACKS is too heavy. I presume your character "Gave In" to lycanthropy, then?
>>98900971or go to r/osr if gthats what you want. >>98900975yeah, I "gave in", but the DM allowed a series of saves to retain my mind and class. I had to reroll every level-up and every full-moon though. It was pretty grand, out in the wilderness, they would set me loose, and I would solo most encounters with normal creatures/men. Increased speed was also nice.
>>98900971he wont see that, he filtered "acks" <;^)
>>98900982>I "gave in", but the DM allowed a series of saves to retain my mind and class.Fucking teacher's pet.
>>98900993actually, I threatened him physically. ACKS isnt for wimps.
>>98900996kek
>>98900996total BrOSR victory
>>98900950He's a mad little nigga ain't he.>>98900971You HAVE to admit its funny though. Guy only has one thing he can do and hes doing it like hes going to die.>>98900736>>98900897Lay off. ToH is a certified classic.Fucking top 10 adventure all time.
>>98901021youve never played D&D a day in your life,
>>98900775I've heard some entire epic sagas have been fought over one.
>>98901028ToH is great faggot.
>>98901044not what I said. my post was "youve never played D&D a day in your life"
>>98901021ToH is like watching a sports game.Get the right people, the right level of intoxication, and you're going to have a great time. It's a meatgrinder, and one of the most straightforward ones there is.But get even one guy who takes it too seriously, and the night's ruined for everyone.I still remember, James. Everyone still remembers.
>>98900636>Even people who like Borg play one of the hundred Borg-likes instead.If you've got four houserules and know how to make a PDF, you've got yourself a borgclone.
>>98900368What does OSR WF mean?
>>98900877That's the Star Wars Holiday Special of modules.
>>98901242>This is a for a special group of OSR games, along with OSR-adjacent and retro games. You can talk about all OSR (Pre Wotc D&D, & retroclones) & OSR-adjacent (Mork Borg, SWN etc) games without distinction here, except for ACKS. ACKS is specifically excluded, along with all ACKS-like games and the other Autarch products.
>>98901242it's engagement bait, like those videos that say replace X letter with Y but it turns the quote into gibberish. They just wanted people to bump the thread asking over and over.
>>98901256What is an ACKS-like game? It's basically BX with a shitton of houserules. I'm so confused.
>>98901256What's your favourite ACKS monster? Mine is the Necropede. It's basically the Human Centipede as a D&D monster. Brilliant.
>>98901044It's mid.There's better competition modules.
>>98901261>What is an ACKS-like game?Anything OP doesn't like.
>>98901270I agree, I much prefer AX6 - Sepulcher of the Sorceress Queen (ACKS)
>>98900721>False CampfireNice! Has it ever been used in your ACKS campaign?
>>98901256>ACKS is being excluded because its fans have a tendency to be disruptive. If you want to talk about ACKS, do so elsewhere.Wow no fucking kidding.
>>98900632Carl Smith ironically was an editor.
>>98901272Actually, given it's immense success, popularity, and natural evolution of gameplay design, we should completely abandon using the term osr entirely, and actually refer to these games as ACKS-likes. There's no better way to describe something, than by the gold standard
>>98901283Yes, we got it because we were sent to investigate and work army that was supposedly doing small-scale hit and run rates on local farms, and all of the locals were far too scared to go after them given the size of the camps at night. We discovered it was actually just a dozen human bandits wearing green face paint and using the false campfire to confuse people
>>98901310Approved
>>98901322Ha, brilliant! But it's only single use by the ACKS book and it has a 1,000 gp base value, did they have multiple ones? Either way it doesn't look like a great return on investment if all they were raiding was farms.
>>98900950He sounds like he has severe autism.Is someone falseflagging or is he actually always this cringey?
>>98901351There is a chance that when he sobers up he'll claim it was a falseflag to make acks look bad, but that level of self-awareness is rare and usually long delayed.>>98901286>is another OSR thread really neccesar-I'm actually kind of surprised that instead of ignoring this thread he decided to prove why its neccesary to have one where acks posters are excluded from the conversation.
>>98901021It's on top 10 lists, but it's not a top 10 module. I can think of twenty modules off the top of my head I'd rather run.It's a severe case of popularity feeding into itself.
>>98901322An ork army*Raids*Ffs speech to text lol
>>98900368He's really fucking up that beholder. Were they always that small?They're taller than a person nowadays.
>>98901474>He's never read the Monster ManualFuck off back to plebbit nevergames tourist.
>>98901474
>>98900636>No one really plays MorkBorg.Literal /tg/ lie. I know more people who actually paly Mork Borg than I do D&D5E nowadays.
>>98901528How is the weather in Sweden?
>>98901528That's genuinely surprising.I knew MB was popular, but not THAT popular.
>>98901474The pattern and stalk thickness implies this is a Beholder and not the smaller Spectator. According to the AD&D Monster Manual, a Beholder is 4' to 6' in diameter, so it would be larger than this image shows. One could argue artistic license for a drawing of the smaller Spectator more closely resembling a Beholder, but since Spectators are 4' in diameter then this imagine would still be an irregularly small depiction.
>>98901531it's shit>t. pirate borg swede
>>98901605>pirate borg swedeThat sounds like a saturday morning cartoon show.
>>98901587It's a Gas Spore, or a Beholder Mimic.But that doesn't explain why it's so small in that picture, since Gas Spores are also 4'-6' (and would have to be, otherwise no one would mistake them for Beholders).
>>98901587>The pattern and stalk thickness implies this is a BeholderAnother fucking tourist who has never read the Monster ManualLMAO this thread is a bad joke
>>98900877>the one time designers try to have fun>it doesn't landIt's still not terrible. Just very self-indulgent. It makes a lot more sense if you've played the sixteen designers' other stuff first.
>>98901741forgot about those, good looking out
>>989017609/10 people mistake gas spore for beholders. You'd know that if you read the MM.
>>98901760>The pattern and stalk thickness implies this is a BeholderI mean, it does. Just like you wear makeup and a dress to imply you're a woman.
>>98901587>>98901474you fucking idiot nogames, pathetic.
>>98901550Not that surprising if you've been to kickstarter.
>>98900368>You can talk about all OSR (Pre Wotc D&D, & retroclones)Sorry, that's not a correct definition. 2e is not OSR.
>>98900917Agreed, this thread question made me a better DM.
>>98900947Wild Faggotry.
>>98902011correct and checked
>>98902011gygaxpilled and unstoryfagged
>>98901334sorry, thought I replied earlier. the bandits underground lair connected to an old wizard cache, and inside they found a number of utility magic items, but no weaponry.there was a spellbook/diary where the wizard described making the false campfires in order to make his party's camp look bigger when in hostile territory, and the bandits found 6 of them.
>>98901741>But that doesn't explain why it's so small in that pictureMaybe it's been deflated?
>>98901474>doesn't recognize a hill giantYou can tell by the color of his knuckles.
>>98901781Castle Greyhawk is not a good adventure.It's an unfunny slog that deliberately tries to be bad in order to be funny but it just ends up being bad and not funny.If it was a good, competant adventure that parodied old dungeons designs while being a good example of one in its own right, it could have ended up as a classic. But, it's just a solid disappointment and pretty tone-deaf at times.
>>98902524That makes more sense from the MU's magic point, but as bandits I still think they'd have been better off selling them, although it's easy to come up with explanations in this case: perhaps the bandits are wanted so that's not an option for them. In general I think that the prices of single-charge magic items in ACKS are sometimes a bit too high.
>>98901392Name 10.
>>98900754You think the whole effort to de-boomerfy boomer games is what's gotten the boomers so enraged?
>>98902872they were categorically "bandits", outlawed in towns as you assumed. > the prices of single-charge magic items in ACKS are sometimes a bit too highsomewhat agree. >>98903093>anti-chud "mining the chans" campaign
>>98903093Huh.Huh huh huh huh huh.The more I think about it, the more this angry boomer mad at kids business fits. Not just the whole complete lack of understanding how the internet works because that's a given, but that weird gygax worship that demands total fealty really meshes in there pretty tightly. The idea that we have to accept all the past (that they like) and can't just take the parts we like instead is pure angry boomer.I'm kinda tempted to make an afro tech remix using samples of some dad rock to see if I can make a song that makes boomers explode.
>>98903093You might be looking too much into trying to find rational reasons.
>Starts a thread because 'Ree, /osrg/ is a purity spiral that won't let us talk about all OSR games, even the ones that aren't OSR games, how dare they, rah-rah-rabble-rabble-roo-harummph'>In less than a few months starts demanding certain games are excluded from their threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMTbwwLP354Boy, someone sure was doing a lot of fucking projecting all this time weren't they?
>>98903164love me ACKS bandits
>>98903897You'll notice he still can't talk about games, at all, and isn't even trying.That said, for fuck's sake stop bumpng this troll thread. If you have to reply, sage; it would already be dead by now if you had.
>>98900412>Aside from magic swords, I don't really pay much attention to magic items.I feel like some of my players have been ruined by playing 3e and 5e and WoW and other video games, because their expectations of magical items has been warped where they never seem satisfied no matter how good a haul might be.It might be some of that gacha game and tiktok influence that's frizzled their dopamine receptors.
>>98900447It beats soulless.Too many games have no personality at all.
>>98904152ACKS Bandits are cool, but Brigands are even better!
>>98903897Excellent ACKS infographic, Anon. Whom did you make it for? Your players? Yourself?
>>98904252House rules for how magic works in an ongoing campaign. It's been adjusted/tweaked since last time I posted it, but the thrust remains the same.Magic users having no per-day spells and instead having to maintain spells/work towards rituals has created a far more low fantasy, Conan-esq setting.Vancian magic really is a weakness even in old OSR style games, it turns magic into 'Once per day I solve issues' rather than mages being actual mystics/occultists.Change the mage and you change the entire setting.
>>98904259Cool! Did you make a write-up? Are there any other changes besides the ones in the infographic?
>trying to use acks posts to make people leave threadsExperience has at least taught him that.
>>98904361The reason you left /osrg/ is that the based mods told you to fuck off when you went to molest them on IRC, fishfag. Sour grapes much?
>>98904375Is that why everyone left the /osrg/?Hell, even you don't want to be there.
>>98903897Games aren't being excluded because of what they are, they're being excluded because of certain posters who just spam soulless generated posts about them.Less "purity spiral", more "we have an obvious troll problem, let them bump the thread but ignore their posts."
>>98904406>everyone
I'd give the ackshill(s) much more of a benefit of the doubt if all their posts weren't>Heckorino guys, this Acks game sure is nifty keen!And then endless posting classes or monsters. If you want to shill the game, tell us about your actual game, and how the rules of ACKS are supporting what makes that game fun. There was an anon who was doing detailed play reports for awhile, and while it didn't sound like some I'd want to run, it was interesting at least.
>>98904411To exclude games you'd need to be able to talk about games first, which you clearly aren't.What do you think of the ACKS Spell Tyrant, fishfag? Is it better or worse than the AD&D Beholder? In what respects?
>>98901781>Jennell JaquaysRevisionism at its best.
>>98904411Oh yeah, you never hated ACKS before the Open OSR threads, I'll bet, FishfagLMAO
>>98904412Cuh, even you trying your hardest to make it look like people still post there has only made more people leave.You know that better than anyone. You're even so mad about it you're posting your same thread-killing posts here because that's literally the only thing you know how to do.
>>98904423Adventure design has really been a boy's club.
>>98904431Talk about games instead of trolling, fishfag.Still waiting for your answer on whether you prefer the ACKS Spell Tyrant or the AD&D Beholder and why. >>98904422
>>98904438>Adventure design has really been a boy's club.Wow, such an insightful comment. Such an authentic and thoughtful conversation you're having here, Anons. This has made me a better DM.
>>98904420What kind of retard would give people spamming a game specifically excluded in the OP the benefit of the doubt? They've literally got two other OSR threads to talk about their game all they want, but they're here instead because they don't care about games, trolling is their main pasttime.
>>98904438There were women involved. I know D&D had that woman who made Silver Princess and another one who helped with Ravenloft and something else. RuneQuest had a woman in its early days and I don't mean Paul before the troonout. The strange thing about early days is how unironic teenagers worked for game companies like Ed Greenwood, Jeff Grubb, Sandy Petersen, Monte Cook, Chris Perkins, Jeff Dee...
>>98904457>The strange thing about early days is how unironic teenagers workedIt was a different time. Back then, by 19 you were expected to have three kids and a mortgage.
>>98904463I'm 29 and I feel barely qualified to post in OSR threads, let alone try my hand at game design. If some 19yo said he'd like to work in WotC, the HR AI would immediately disqualify him.
>>98904452>people spamming a game specifically excluded in the OPLike you've been doing on /osrg/ with "AD&D" 2e for three years, fishfag? "Do as I say, not as I do."
>>98904468There's teenage tiktokers making hundreds of thousands of dollars with kickstarter scam games. Qualifications have never been that important, and working for companies less so now.
>>98904457Rob Kuntz was 17 and Terry Kuntz was 19 when they played in the second D&D game ever because they were Gygax's neighbors and were conveniently on hand. Gygax seemed to enjoy surrounding himself with young boys... getting them to call him "Dungeon Master"...
>>98904505Tell me you wouldn't want to hang out with Gary if he was your neighbor.
>>98904423>fluffy goes down the drainWhoa. Edgy. In a TSR product.
>>98904420Nigga you literally don't play games and have never once discussed games or posted a functioning character sheet
>>98904438Waow, such insightful commentary from somebody who is very experienced at playing games!Fuck off, fishfag
>>98904468What an absolutely retarded mindset. The only thing that qualifies somebody to post in this thread, as a willingness to read BX and play it by the rules.
>>98904722Apart from the fruitful ACKS discussions, this whole thread has been a joke with the seemingly endless stream of empty commentary on... I'm not even sure what the fuck he's talking about, or even if he's actually talking about anything at all.
>>98904740has anyone ever played with monsters from the monster manual?
Wow, the acksfag is MAD.>ignore all the real discussion, focus only on my deliberately fake acks spam!And he wonders why no one real wants to talk to him.
>>98904535Not worth my butthole virginity.
>>98904821Thank you for this very insightful comment. This will make me a much better DM.
>>98904811Talk about games, not about people. What do you think of the ACKS Leyak?Quick quiz, let's test your non-existent knowledge of OSR. What monster is it a remake of? And is it better or worse than the original?
>>98904811>all the real discussionlike WHAT lmaoyou dont play D&D and you can't even show us a functioning char sheet, fishnigger.>>98904821fuck off, retard
>>98904862nta but... BLEH
>>98904868Thank you for the very thoughtful and insightful contribution to discussion about games. What a beautiful thread we have here!
>>98904875I posted a pic of the monster you were asking about, since I recognized the answer but didnt want to give it away for the fish. Why are you so pissy on halloween?just post spoopy monsters
>>98904882>I posted a pic of the monster you were asking aboutNo you didn't. In fact, that colour image is certainly not from any original (non-retroclone) OSR game, since they all have black and white images exclusively. Try again!
>>98904887>is that...COLOR ART FROM A NON-AUTHORIZED SOURCE?oh fuck off, you crybaby. Im sorry that I picked diterlizzi art for the Vargouille pic. Sorry that youre so mindbroken that you cant even see images of a monster without a spergout. Try posting spoopy monsters instead of whingingall you do is complain. youre as bad as the fish.
>>98904899Doubly wrong.(1) I explicitly said "OSR", and the Diterlizzi art for "AD&D" 2e is not OSR.(2) More importantly, it's not a Vargouille.Which proves you know absolutely nothing about OSR-era D&D.
>>98904899love the banshee. never used one in-game but Ive fought one. I have an adventure I regularly run for newbies that includes a friendly ghost, I might just replace him with am aggressive banshee, since PCs usually treat the ghost boy like a chump. (until he age drains you)I like the MO's version. The special "ghost abilities" look like a fun addition.
>>98904908and I never said "OSR", I just posted my favorite depiction of the vargouille. I dont care how hard you piss and moan, either discuss halloween monsters or languish in your impotent misery. >>98904909The necrophidius is one of my favorite spoopy monsters, but players hate it. The surprise hypnosis + paralyzing bite can make a squad of zombie a much bigger threat. Was thinking of making a ghoul lair with necrophidiuses(sp?) as the guard/attack dogs.
>>98904908>UNAUTHORIZED ARTISTIC DEPICTION, FOE DETECTED, MUST REEEEEYoure not upset that its "not from any original (non-retroclone) OSR game" (something I never said), but youre mad that its from a book you dont like.Are you saying that if I drew a color depiction of a monster, youd have the same melty?
>>98904926>I never said "OSR"I did. I explicitly asked what OSR monster it is from:>>98904862>Quick quiz, let's test your non-existent knowledge of OSR. What monster is it a remake of?Still waiting on your correct answer by the way.>>98904935So you don't know what OSR monster it is from either. As expected. You're a bunch of nevergame posers here who know NOTHING about the OSR.
>>98904946>explicitly asked what OSR monster it is from:And I never said the art was """OSR""">noooo you dont know every monster!!!!care to post a chracter sheet? I posted my ACKS fighter yesterday. Surely you have a shee youve used recently?
>>98904946still waiting on you to discuss games rather than having a melty online>>98904926Never had a chance to use a "Gug", but I templated one for the avatar of a cult, as the strongest encounter in their lair. Ive always felt the HPL monsters work very well as D&D monsters, and some are already copied from his work.Blink dogs are hounds of tindalos, gibbering mouthers are shoggoths, kuo-toa are self-explanatory
>>98904952>I posted my ACKS fighter yesterday.Based. If you're an ACKS player you have an even greater responsibility to know what the source material is, though. I'll be happy to educate you, do you want me to tell you what monster that is from? Or do you want to give it some more thought?
>>98904946so answer the question: do you freak out like this when people draw their own monster art, or is it just one book in particular that makes your anus experience pain?>>98904964>I'll be happy to educate youpost a timestamped image of your 1e books, and Ill have no problem with that! Ill even post my own timestamped 1e books, too :)
>>98904962>still waiting on you to discuss gamesHappy to oblige! Here's the ACKS Skittering Maw. It's the ACKS equivalent of the Boulette.
>>98904971? try typing with both hands
>>98904969>post a timestamped image of your 1e booksUnfortunately I'm out of the town where I have all my AD&D manuals. But I have an orange spine collection that I completed in the 1980s, including the WSG and DSG, unfortunately.>>98904971Oops forgot the Skittering Maw
>>98904969>do you freak out like this when people draw their own monster art, or is it just one book in particular that makes your anus experience pain?Independently of the book it's from, indeed, I dislike Diterlizzi's art. It's a complete tonal mismatch with respect to what I like.
>>98904980>WSGI got that as a gift from a friend last year to round out my collection.I dont have all oranges (yet).>>98904995>Independently of the book it's from, indeed, I dislike Diterlizzi's artthats fine, but its just an artistic depiction. Its not like I posted about storyfagging, I just happen to like his shapr-yet-ethereal watercolor style
>>98905008>Its not like I posted about storyfaggingTrue, but Diterlizzi gives me the anal bleeding as you correctly remarked earlier.
>>98905008>I dont have all oranges (yet).Which one(s) are you missing?
>>98904980TRALALERO TRALALA
>>98904811I'm not shocked he's got nothing better to do on a saturday. Or sunday. Or everyday.Guy spends hours malding.
>>98905017OA, Legends, UA2, Greyhawk. I rarely look online. instead I save up all year, and when I do my annual trip to the big city, I hit up the used game store and buy a bunch of gaming stuff. >>98905033my CoC game isnt for another 30min, and my halloween party doesnt start for eight more hours. what else should I be doing, nogames?
>>98904980>manualsthats how I know youre a true oldfren
>>98905043What's UA2? Someone's trying to sell you something that doesn't exist! I actually don't have Greyhawk Orange Spine either, I don't count that or Dragonlance (which sadly I have).>>98905081>>manuals>thats how I know youre a true oldfrenHuh? Why? Do kids call them something else nowadays?>>98905028>TRALALERO TRALALAMattacchione pazzarello.
>>98905033Talk to other Anons about games, not to yourself about people, fishfag.Let me help you, thoughts about the monster in the image? Does it remind you of anything?
>>98905085>Someone's trying to sell you something that doesn't exist!no, im trying to buy something that doesnt exist!it was a cancelled book that they took orders for but never published. TSR D&D lost media/
>>98905095Huh. I never knew.>1986And nothing of value was lost.
>>98905085>Huh? Why? Do kids call them something else nowadays?"D&D books" or just "books". >>98905085>Dragonlancetrade it for GHA lol
>>98905104>"D&D books" or just "books".Ugh. That's so uninspiring.>trade it for GHA lolYeah, I oughta. Is it hard to get? Expensive?
>>98905103>And nothing of value was lost.I want it more for curiosity and posterity, not its content. Im a data hoarder, picrel>>98905110>Is it hard to get? Expensive?its more desirable, but DL is 30-40, and GHA is only 40-50. A straight trade seems fair.
>>98905134jfc did you download the whole trove?
>>98904811>ignore all the real discussionWhat real discussion?
>>98904980>including the WSG and DSG, unfortunatelykek
>>98904457>There were women involved.I don't think it was even a full 1%.Kind of wild that the ratio has changed so much.
>>98900632I played this years ago when I was a kid.I thought it was amazing.I think I would have thought anything was amazing though.
>>98905670Dogshit post. Kys infoshilll
Reminder that this thread is not posted by a real person, let alone somebody who has ever played dnd.This poster is a marketing intern for a propaganda research firm. His job is to make the website as unpleasant and unusable as possible in order to make people apathetic, and prevent extremism.If they outright kill the website, the extremism will just spread somewhere else that they can't see, so they make this place unbearable so that the culture dies and shrivels.He wants us to give up osrg because it is one of the last bastions of chuddery online"Mining the chans"
>>9890559190% of adventures are still written by guys.
>>98900368>What's your favorite under-rated magical item?I don't know if they're underrated, but I was impressed by how much good armor and shields can turn a character into a god.
>>98904457These guys were living the dream. They just walked in, shook a few hands, and became part of role playing history.
>>98906005>good armor and shields can turn a character into a god.Wow, such an insightful comment. Truly the greatest minds of 4chan congregate on this thread. This will make me a better DM.
>>98906071Yes, it was very organic.
>>98905991>>98906071Fascinating wisdom. Please do keep up this very natural and knowledgeable conversation. My DM skills are skyrocketing thanks to this thread.
>>98906071>>98905991Dogshit fluffposting
>>98900368>OSR Warhammer FantasyWhat the fuck?
>>98904457>Ravenloft and something elseIt was Dragonlance.
>>98900368Okay but for real, what does WF stand for?
>>98904438It's kind of surprising to think just how overwhelmingly male-dominated the industry was. It grew out of war-gaming, yeah, but that doesn't really explain how that kind of thing could persist all the way into the 2000's.
>>98906810Walrus Farts.
>>98900632also in 1984, this trash module (Quagmire!) and DL1 were published
>>98900368Should have just said Warhammer Fantasy or something if you hate ACKS that much. I understand why you think ACKS is basically a poor attempt at using a meme and a pun but OSR is genuinely not a single set system.
>>98907015Less about hating ACKS, more of just a thread for people not wanting to share an OSR thread with the ACKS poster. For the obvious reasons.
>>98907025Apply to be a janny lmao
there's a thread that doesn't want 2e and there's a thread that doesn't want ACKS, not sure why we can't just agree to a dual state solution and make both threads more productive
>>98907025No it isn't obvious, the ones who do it to Troll always loudly go, "hello fellow ACKS player". And they only do that to you, specifically, OP.
>B/X halloween game>it's all about dealing with vampires in a cryptHoly fuck vampires are nasty.We had like seven people die in one night, and all just to vampires.
>>98907081??????????????????????????????????????
>>98906810>Wanker Forum>Wouldst (be) Fishfag>Whacky Fuckers>What (the) Fuck?>Willy Fondlers>Wholock FandomOne or all of the above, possibly
>>98907227>I tried to engage with the one on-topic ACKS poster and he turned out to be a troll, and then I got banned for saying so. These mods are some based-and-red-pilled retardsGo tell them on IRC! And post screenshots!
>>98907227>2e used to be welcome hereFalse
>>98907305He is the founder of The Escapist Magazine. That is where it comes from.
>>98907227>and then I got bannedYou are literally wimp lo from kung pow. "I got banned, which is proof you are a troll!"Lol>things I've only said onceNo one believes that. Maybe you should just stop posting
>>98907247>trollcow trolled the OSRG for years and held it hostage and demanded that they change. He openly holds threads hostage, and he openly demands that they change, you’ve seen him do it.You legitimately need schizophrenia medication
>>98907351You're not a real 4channer if you haven't been banned at least once.You're never going to be a real 4channer if you bitch about it because 'Meany poopies got me banned >:(' rather than your first post upon return being one that contains some kind of Janny-related slur.
>>98907227>>98907247>trollcow>2e used to be welcome>the mods are ebulskinnerpathetic.png
>>98907227>2e used to be welcome hereQuit your bullshit
>>98907446>fish did nothing wrongJejYou realize of course that if the mods were in cahoots against you, they could just delete your threads on sight, Fishfag? There's no reason to leave an obvious troll thread like this up, and even less if you're actively persecuting the guy posting them.
>>98907446>They have an official story, “that edition war sure got out of hand so we had to clamp down”Interesting, who and what are you quoting exactly? Is that an official answer from the mods that you got on IRC?
>>98907446>his successful thread
Reminder to report the scrag.
>>98907446>steal his successful threadWhich one, the "Open OSR" thread? Kek, what's supposed to have been successful about that? The abundant non-ACKS game discussion?That it was just one speg ruggy baby buggy bumping that thread with fake content is painfully obvious since you switched your spamola over to this one and the other thread immediately became a desert. As if it wasn't obvious enough that all activity vanished that time your ISP blocked the captcha server. We've told you this dozens of times already: you need to be less obvious if you really want to pass the idea that there's more than one of you. >>98907492It's almost Trumpian, isn't it?
>>98907455The idea is to promote the story that ACKS is a targeted game. So you troll people with ACKS until they hate ACKS. This isn’t good for board traffic in the long run but it’s good for ad views in the short term, and ultimately most of the work is done by jannies who are just getting paid in influence.
>>98907513>most of the work is done by jannies who are just getting paid in influenceYour paranoid schizophrenia is getting worse, fishfag.
>>98907515In this case I actually can say that you aren’t fooling anyone.Jannies. Do. It. For. Free.
>>98907526>t. fishfag talking about himself in the third person>>98907532Here's the truth of what's happening, fishfag:>(You) tried to make the mods your bitches by creating an obvious troll thread with the specific intent to troll /osrg/ and ACKS and trying to get the mods to do your bidding.>The mods refused to be your bitches.>Now (You) are having an autistic meltdown over that.>Aggravated by paranoid schizophrenia.If (You) didn't have a broken theory of mind from actual clinical autism you wouldn't even have attempted to do something so idiotic, fishfag.
>>98907526>The jannies know how many fishfags there actually areWe all know how many there are: one. You don't need a janny to be aware of this, as the post you replied to already explained.>trollcowslmaooooo
>>98907526>the only thing you’ve found that really works to troll him is lying and getting away with itNot true. A simple anecdote about using the rules of ACKS effectively to the benefit of your campaign is famously sufficient for him to have a full-bore open-vent melty for years.
>>98907550>him
>>98907541Christ even on a slow board you guys type the same.
>>98907541>tried to make the mods your bitches by creating an obvious troll thread with the specific intent to troll /osrg/ and ACKS and trying to get the mods to do your bidding.lol, what?>>98907550It’s storyfagging bro. It isn’t OSR. I’ve had sessions where we just fucked off and did nothing, I ain’t even saying it isn’t fun, but it definitely isn’t OSR and that makes it funny as fuck when you read the whole thing in context. And then how hurt you were at his responses, lol, your poor injured dignity as a real authentic DM sharing a real authentic story, it’s priceless.“Fishfag” means heterosexual, as in vaginafag, I’ve never taken it to mean anything else.
>>98907583>further derangement ensuesUnprecedented!
>>98907583>I totally play ACKS, and it's a storygame>fishfag doesn't exist BTWHi fishfag
>>98907048Should have used garlic.
>>98908005Use garlic against vampires! Wow, so insightful. Thank you for this organic comment in a totally real conversation, it has made me a better player.
>>98908028Do you have a problem?
>>98908040No, do you?
>>98907513>So you troll people with ACKS until they hate ACKS.No idea what kind of strategy they think this is. Making people hate their game and making themselves look petty and hateful seems like a big misplay in whatever game they're trying to play.
>>98907048Vampires were some of Gygax's most wanked-off monsters. He had no good reason to give them energy drain because lorewise they don't have anything like it (when has getting scratched by a vampire had any special property?), but he wanted them to be extra scary and awful to fight against because of that sadistic streak he has.>>98908005Garlic was oddly expensive in OD&D. 5gp for one head of garlic, making it worth more than a dagger or a bottle of wine. You could trade 4 heads of garlic for a mule.
>>98908005You'd think everyone in a world with vampires would be carrying garlic.
>>98908469Very interesting comment. Thanks for contributing to this excellent thread.
>>98908469Garlic is very organic! This made me a better DM.
>>98908649Wait till he finds out about werewolves and wolfsbane! I'm sure he can make at least a dozen posts of organic conversation about that.
>>98908131Vampires get energy drain because they're undead.Powerful undead get energy drain because negative energy.Vampires don't even exist all in the real world. They're half real world, half negative energy plane.Where ghosts live.It's all lore. But it's D&D lore.
>>98909248>ChatLGBT, write me four random factoids about Vampires in D&D
>>98908131>He had no good reason to give them energy drainI'm pretty sure Dracula had some kind of psychic draining power. It wasn't all blood sucking.
>>98909422Dracula had psychic connections with his servants/victims, and he gave an old lady a heart attack, but nothing really close to "energy drain via claw attack".
>>98908131That'd make garlic worth significantly more than its weight in gold, since 5gp in gold coins would be half a pound and even the heaviest garlic heads don't weight more than a quarter pound.Gold would thus be far less useful to carry around than garlic. Not only would garlic protect you from Vampires, it'd also be far lighter to transport. While it doesn't last as long as gold does (ie. forever), it would last several months (far longer than you'd have to worry about keeping track of it), and towards the end of that you could just plant the bulbs and grow even more garlic.It's just nothing but upsides over carrying gold coins.
>>98902052>>98904450>>98904855>>98906248>>98908028You appear to be possessed by a sarcastic demon. Maybe you need the services of a cleric! Seriously, spend less time on 4chan, make real friends, and your game will improve by leaps and bounds. How well did your last session go?
>>98909754>How well did your last session go?oh no the sarcasm is spreading
>>98909422>I'm pretty sure Dracula had some kind of psychic draining power.They do have a hypnotic gaze in ACKS!
>>98907611Even better than that>Storytiem? More like storyfaggingMeanwhile the entire point of that campaign, as stated by the DM, was 'I wonder if I can use oracles along with random worldgen to be even more of a referee rather than a storyteller'It's remarkable how delusional he is.
>>98908131>Garlic was oddly expensive in OD&D. 5gp for one head of garlic, making it worth more than a dagger or a bottle of wine. You could trade 4 heads of garlic for a mule.ACKS II fixed this! Garlic only costs 1 sp per pound in ACKS II
>>98909914>It's remarkable how delusional he is.He really sounds like the same retard who showed up on /osrg/ a few hours ago thinking he was going to own the thread but was instead shown to not understand a thing about the OSR or AD&D.
>>98909754>>98909778I think you just set off a display of how whenever he feels particularly upset, he spams more.
>>98909993Talk about games, not about people. What do you think of the ACKS Ruinguard, mechanically?
>>98908005You italians and your one solution to everything.
>>98905670My first adventure was The Village of Hommlet. Played it when I was ten years old and I spent a decade telling everyone it was the best adventure of all time. Now, looking back, it is pretty much the definition of mid.
>>98900368I think this might go for a lot of GP:https://www.ebay.com/itm/860104946494
>>98910801A first issue of the Castle & Crusade Society Domesday Book sold in 2008 for $18k. 1st edition woodgrain box sets have sold for as high as $22k. I would think that this would have to sell for considerably higher than those.
>>98910842> The manuscript for the 1st castle includes: 22 levels, each with a hand drawn map and handwritten keys, except where noted. In total there are 42 pieces of paper, including 22 sheets of graph paper with maps and 20 pieces of lined notebook paper for keys and notes (many with writing on front and back for a total of 31 pp of writing). All pieces are original. Missing are: 2 keys for the dungeon, both the map and key for the Upper Works, and the map for the Outdoors area around the castle.>> The manuscript for the 2nd castle includes: 32 levels (29 complete, 2 map only, and 1 key only), each with hand drawn maps and handwritten keys, except where noted. In total there are 101 pieces of paper, including 31 graph paper maps (3 of these being 17 x 22 and 1 being 11 x 68 inches), 60 pieces of lined notebook or other types of paper for keys and notes (many with writing on front and back for a total of 52 pp of writing), and 10 pieces of visual aid art illustrated by Gary. All pieces are original. The map and keys for the Upper Works and the map for the Outdoors area around the castle are present and counted among the complete levels. Not counted among these but included in the auction is an additional regional map of the country around the castle, created by Gary in 1979.
>>98910848> Because Gary imported several levels into the 2nd castle, there are 14 overlapping levels between the 1st castle and it. In total there are 14 shared maps and 2 shared keys. Which is the reason these two manuscripts are being sold together. This brings the total number of levels for the 2nd castle to 46.>> Not included in this auction are the following 23 levels of the 2nd castle: 18 levels from the 2nd castle that are not wholly Gary's creation or the work of others and 5 levels (or parts thereof) that have been previously sold at auction by the Robert J. Kuntz Estate.
>>98910801>that little carrion crawlerOh shit that little bastard is cute.
>>98910848I didn't know there were two Castle Greyhawks. The 1st castle was created in 1973, and the 2nd castle was created in 1974-1976, in part by Rob Kuntz. The 1st castle was part of the playtesting for OD&D. Some might consider the 2nd castle to be part of the playtesting for AD&D, but I doubt there was anything close to a complete AD&D ruleset before the core combat tables appeared in the Feb 1979 Dragon. The 2nd castle may have informed the making of AD&D but it is hard to see how it could have been a proper playtest.
>>98910801>NOTE:This auction is for the physical item ONLY. The intellectual property rights, copyrights, and image rights of these materials are reserved by the E. Gary Gygax Estate, LLC. All rights reserved.Oh man, that puts it in a tricky spot.I'd love for whoever buys this to scan the pages and share them for the sake of gaming history, but there's actually a question of legality in regards to whether they'd be allowed to do so.
>>98904926>my favorite depiction of the vargouilleWhere's the vargouille pic?>>98904899>I picked diterlizzi art for the Vargouille pic.Where's the vargouille pic? Where's the DiTierlizzi pic?
>>98910930>I didn't know there were two Castle Greyhawks.This is the level of the fake /osrg/s, lmao
>>98910842>A first issue of the Castle & Crusade Society Domesday Book sold in 2008 for $18k. 1st edition woodgrain box sets have sold for as high as $22k. I would think that this would have to sell for considerably higher than those.Considering the starting price was $1,973.00 and it's now at $9,500.00 on the first day, I think it's a safe bet it'll be well over $20k. My guess is somewhere around $30k.
>>98910801>price of a car for some old pieces of school paper
>>98910801I predict the auction will go to $150k and not meet the reserve. In fact, if I am off by more than $20k I will give up all the ACKS shitposting I've been doing.
>>98910972Use your eyes, bozo
>>98910842For that kind of money, they could be taken to a place and professionally restored/preserved/mounted/etc. Probably would even cost a whole grand to get that done.
>>98906920Gygax was still serving as creative director up until 1986. He wasn't even removed from his position as president until 1985.
>>98913404He was but it's no coincidence that the quality of TSR material nosedives after 1983 when he separated from his wife, shifted his focus to TSR Entertainment in Hollywood to get a D&D movie produced and slowly let a lot of editorial control go to others
>>98912017>Here's a picture for ants of "thing">But you can't tell it's "thing" because I cropped off every detail that identifies it "thing" unless you memorised every picture in the exact book "thing" appeared in>I'm superior because I know what "thing" is but you don'tWeird fucking flex.
>>98904862So a Pennangalan
>>98913858I'm not flexing anything. You on the other hand, are aggressively bragging about being both too ignorant to know the subject at hand, and too lazy to look something up.
>>98914158Correct! You win another ACKS II monster and a new question: What AD&D monster does the one in picrel correspond to?
>>98900632>This might really be the worst adventure of all timeNo, that title belongs to Descent into Avernus.Nothing created by human hands can be worse.
>>98900736Let me guess, you died in ToH and got pissy?
>>98914265>too lazy to look something upThat's an ignorant thing to write when I did look it up. The aggression is all coming from you.
>>98914592ToH contains some truly awful design.There's so much that is just pure anti-fun. Describing it as deliberate doesn't make it better, and it doesn't even really make too much sense for it to be deliberately anti-fun when other competition modules are far more interesting and entertaining.
>he's seething about Tomb of Horrors againIt's genuinely funny how he has less than half a dozen of these prepared topics he repeats to boomp threads with. Going to ask if anybody's running Stonehell, next?
>>98914592You ever played ToH?
Guys, it's getting too rich for too rich for me—I'm out. But I'm hoping one of you can bring this home for OSR WF.
>>98916565>60k>reserve not metThe AUDACITY.
>>98900368Maybe not under-rated but I don't see them mentioned often. Yes they mention 8th level spells and psionic strength but they drop into a B/X campaign no problem.
>>98915983Can you try having a actual opinion instead of just vaguely bitching?
Is there an unofficial Cy Borg barebones edition? The official book is impossible to use during a session
>>98916972These shits are so rare. I've only ever encountered one and it was dull gray.
>>98918086Thank you for this organic, well-reasoned, and thoughtful comment. It will make me a better DM.
>>98918086What a worthless no games post, why do you even post these inane filler statements? For what it's worth, they are not that rare, my elf has four of them(Food/water, air, str, con)
>>98910801Paul Stormberg wrote an interesting post on acaeum.com about the Greyhawk manuscript, its history, and how difficult it was to find the pieces and assemble them for the auction. It sounds like Gail is giving up control of the IP and thus Greyhawk Castle could eventually be published. He notes that Castle Zagyg from 2008 is "far from representing much of anything from the original castle notes". Stromberg seems to imply that the auction has to net a certain amount or clear the reserve price for that to happen, though.
>>98918930>It sounds like Gail is giving up control of the IPThat sounds like she's dying.
>>98916972Here's the Ioun Stones description from The Strategic Review #4 (Winter '75) which acknowledges Jack Vance.
>>98916565Before I place my bid I need to know, what does WF mean?
>>98916565That is a ridiculous amount of money someone is throwing away.
