>>98901447
First for abominations not being as cool as LAMs(or other specialty mechs)

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>There are now rules to create Abominations
I wholeheartedly approve.

>thread question
I didnt ask for Gothic and I didnt ask for whatever the fuck that is. I just want battletech. I want succession war 5.

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I was kind of expecting something a bit more than abominations. Like if this came out last year maybe I'd have been interested?

Gothic feels like a pathetic cash grab and I care absolutely zero about it.

>>98901491
That was literally the Jihad

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>>98901447
>There are now rules to create Abominations and equip them with IS and Clan tech in the main BT setting. What are your thoughts?
...Tactical Monster Girls?!

>>98901478
LAMs, Quadvees, and Protomechs should all be removed from canon and replaced with unified rules for Abominations to bridge the gap between 10 tons and 20 tons. I'd rather have cybernetic horrors the size of a city bus than midgets in egg pods pretending to be giant horses.

>>98901503
They would never be so based

>>98901447
>2.99
Meh. I'm good.

>>98901503
Don't be silly, that would actually be fun. Though suppose we could technically homebrew them with existing infantry rules

>>98901507
Abysmal opinion

>>98901502
>Jihad/Wars of Reaving
Abominations would be a perfect match for the Society, now that you mention it.

>>98901529
>i have a vore unbirthing furry fetish
weird flex

>>98901502
No that was the Jihad and nothing about it was satisfying. Fuck off. 3025 forever.

>>98901534
More like the genecaste.

>>98901447
>>98901503
Screenshot of these rules?

>>98901566
Neg. We'd have to wait for the PDF to break into the Chatterweb.

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>>98901447
>There are now rules to create Abominations and equip them with IS and Clan tech in the main BT setting. What are your thoughts?
This time, the love child of Drac and Jag science will succeed.

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You know what, I changed my mind. There's going to be a bunch of rolls to do later for potential stat upgrades and new mechs, but these 2 rolls can be done sooner rather than later.
>Rebecca Buck
>Ishtar Marik
Please roll 2d6 in response to this post, with your pilot name in the name field to identify it as you. That is the only way I will accept a result. Then we can see what happens and proceed from there.

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>>98901634
>you and your squad of elemental mommies have to kill a 60ft tall dezgra nuclear fire breathing abomination beneath the city

Rolled 3, 4 = 7 (2d6)

>>98901663
Lets see if she is going out in a coffin!

>>98901663
Has Morgan been sent to the hospital for SRM explosion burns? Want to get an idea of how things are before I write up another letter.

>>98901704
Well guess she only has mild concussion this time. Do I get to roll for what kind of injury she is left with?

>>98901718
You can create the lore you want for her about it. Nice to see she's sticking around, but man does she need to get that piloting skill up and it doesn't look like it's likely to happen next time now. I've included her record sheet here. It was Rebecca's fall that set the pace of the game.
>>98901717
Morgan's totally fine. You can see his record sheet here.

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>>98901748
Here. You can both see your record sheets here.

>>98901447
>that name
>>>/mlp/

>>98901748
>>98901762
She is going to need a special protective helmet at this rate as I don't think this is the first time she has taken a head hit. She's going to end up randomly falling asleep I reckon for the next couple of weeks.

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>>98901776
Well here's the final record sheet from the 1st battle. Yeah, she took some hits then too.

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This is now a Marik thread!

>>98901748
Even with a -1 it should still be likely that to roll a better skill than 6 on the regular pilot table.

>>98901813
Marik might be dead man.
>>98901824
Well considering that a 6 is the best that's come from 2 rolls so far and one of those was without a -1 modifier...

Rolled 3, 6 = 9 (2d6)

>>98901663
If he gets badly fucked up but still lives, he will blame the Primus of Comstar and quietly start seek revenge. Not the Precentor of the school, the Primus in charge of the entirety of Comstar.

>>98901956
Oh waah waah waah! You big crybaby. What are you complaining about Marik, you're fine. Walk it off!

>>98901964
I said if he got badly fucked up without dying, so that was something that would have happened only on getting a 4 or 5. Maybe mad at the Refs on a 6 or 7, but with the 9 that was actually rolled? Yeah, he's walking it off.

>>98901989
>I said if he got badly fucked up without dying,
I know, but I got to respond to you having seen the result of your roll, hence the ribbing.

>>98901964
Marik's head is too thick to be hurt by falling, that is why he was given the Charger.

>>98902083
'Fair enough. Who got the final shot(s) in to down him? And did the Charger survive or did Ishtar end up doing a Year 1 McCormick?

>>98902122
Ishtar didn't have time to fool around. When he finally got to charge in, he met a rather abrupt end. Shiloh Verkler in her Wolverine smashed the Charger's head in with a tree.
>>98902096
>Marik's head is too thick to be hurt by falling
Oh. That is some choice wording you used there. I mean, you're technically correct, the best kind of correct.

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>>98902136
I keep forgetting the attachments tonight.

>>98902136
>Ishtar didn't have time to fool around. When he finally got to charge in, he met a rather abrupt end. Shiloh Verkler in her Wolverine smashed the Charger's head in with a tree.

That reminds me of the first time I ever played MegaMek; on the FIRST FUCKING TURN in the FIRST FUCKING SCENARIO Princess beheaded my Wolverine.

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You know what, screw it. I'm still going to eventually create a proper batrep, including pictures and everything with a turn by turn breakdown to post here, but for now, I might as well just share the turn 18 record sheets. The game ended at the start of turn 19 when Ayumu finally failed her forced withdraw check. If she had somehow managed to just keep passing those, I think she could have solo'd the remaining 3 enemies. Especially if she hadn't whiffed swinging a girder into the right leg of Shiloh's Wolverine the turn before.

>>98901964
Marik's callsign is now Crybaby. Saying it now especially from someone who had their head blown off and walked it off.

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

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Oh I fucked up my paint job. I fucked it up. I don't know how but I fucked it up, trying to go for a metallic color scheme and I don't know what the hell I did wrong but it looks like shit.

>>98902158
That would have been dangerous. She has an exposed side torso with ammo and is one leg kick away from going down for good.

>>98902211
Try giving it a brighter drybrush.

>>98902216
Not entirely true. She took a crit to the CT several turns earlier and it destroyed her SRM4. So when the opportunity arose, she dumped both her SRM & LRM ammo. At that point, she was completely risk free of ammo explosions.

>>98902211
Its not terrible just a bit monotone. Needs a little highlighting, or a bright dry brush like >>98902230 said.

>>98902230
I didn't. I did not drybrush. I airbrushed VMC magnesium onto a black primer, then added thinned AK tenebrous grey to where I thought the shadows would be. Then I put VMC pale burnt metal to highlight where I thought the light would shine, then tried a basic edge highlight with that color. I also tried to stiple/sort of stab/drybrush-ish a mix of magnesium and tenebrous grey on the edges of the shadow areas and a mix of magnesium and pale burnt metal on the edges of the highlighted areas. I have no idea how I fucked up, I just looked at it afterwards and I don't like it. Maybe I'm being paranoid, do I need to strip the model?

>>98902239
I don't even know where I would drybrush, or even if I should drybrush with VMC. I did not drybrush, see >>98902246

>>98902246
I'm not saying you did drybrush, I'm saying you should try drybfushing it with a bright color. Pick whichever of those is the lightest.

>>98902258
I don't think I'm supposed to drybrush VMC, I don't even know where the hell I should even drybrush it. I just wanted to recreate older artwork that depicted metallic battlemechs.

>>98902250
You can drybrush with any acrylic, you just have to make sure to wipe most of it off on a paper towel or something so that you don't just... wet brush it by mistake.

>>98902264
Drybrushing at this stage isn't a matter of where. You just swipe it back and forth across the whole thing to catch all the edges and then clean it up later.

>>98902272
I mean, I can try that when I get home. Not sure if it'll look better or worse.

>>98901492
I don't mind AU boxes but the Gothic box should've just been abomination minis while encouraging players to kitbash gothic mechs to their individual tastes. Ultimately the primary value of AU releases is to serve as an Herb containment zone so he can no longer kill off our favourite mercenary units

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Ahhhhh! I forgot to take pictures of turn 12! I blundered.

>>98902325
It happens unfortunately.

>>98901507
Fuck you, LAMs are based. If anything we need more LAMs.

>>98902392
Get fucked, Robotard, your Transformers shit is dead and staying that way

Battletech should do a crossover with Ace Combat. If anything just because I think it would annoy Herb to see aerotech get a lot of love.

>>98902136
Ouch. He's probably going to get reamed for going down that fast after asking for the Charger as much as he did.
If he stays in the Charger and it's allowed, he'd probably be looking to swap out the Left Arm and Left Torso Small Laser for a Medium Laser in the Left Arm, and the same situation mirored of swapping out the RT and RA smalls for a Medium in the Right Arm.
He would 100% be remembering how effective he was with one Medium in the Locust while also recalling how hard it was to get anything to hit in range with just the Smalls.
It's a pretty common refit I end up doing whenever I have a Charger in Campaigns for one reason or another, but I dunno if you'd allow it. It's not an official variant despite feeling like it should be one that should.

>>98902158
>The game ended at the start of turn 19 when Ayumu finally failed her forced withdraw check.
I bet she was trying to force herself to stay in as long as possible to make up for two people on her side going down on Turn 6.

>>98902446
>I bet she was trying to force herself to stay in as long as possible to make up for two people on her side going down on Turn 6.
I was hoping so hard that she'd be able to make a comeback win, and not just because I was on her team. It would have made for such a great story. Honestly though, Wang Lee ended up being quite the survivor. He didn't go down until turn 18, and was just in a Spider.
>He's probably going to get reamed
I'm sure there's going to be plenty of ribbing to go around for everyone and some lessons for them all to learn too.
>If he stays in the Charger and it's allowed, he'd probably be looking to swap out the Left Arm and Left Torso Small Laser for a Medium Laser in the Left Arm, and the same situation mirored of swapping out the RT and RA smalls for a Medium in the Right Arm.
Terrible idea. You'd want the lasers to all be in the torsos, so that he can still throw 2 punches while firing them.
>but I dunno if you'd allow it.
Well, lorewise, only the head of the mech was damaged. I don't think the mechtechs would really want to work on it further beyond that. I'll need some time to think it over. Would you be willing to forfeit your potential mech upgrade rolls for the refit? Not saying yes if you say yes, but it'll give me something more to consider about it.

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>>98902417
We all know they're coming back.
It's inevitable at this point.

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>>98902444
That emblem would look good on the side of a mech. The catchphrase would still work too.
Stick with Trigger and you'll make it.

>>98902158
>local retard in a light continues to Xin Sheng his way into shocking acts of near-survival
Why is he so fucking determined, holy shit

>>98902573
Because it is the Capellan way

>>98902446
You kinda just got unlucky. It sounds like you did your job and made us deal with you. A 4/4 Charger is the sort of thing you might take in a real game if you need some beef and a cheap distraction. It is up to the rest of your force to make use of the time you buy them.
>>98902573
8 jump is tough and there are not really any light hunters on our team. It also means you probably put up some real damage numbers for your small tonnage.

>>98901503
Snake people (or "sneople").

>>98902573
Angling for a Warrior House liaison appointment?

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>>98902812
It is good know that some of you anons are gentlemen of culture.

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>>98903165
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!

>>98902540
>Terrible idea. You'd want the lasers to all be in the torsos, so that he can still throw 2 punches while firing them.
Ah, I see the misunderstanding. Thing is, you don't want to stay in a straight up punching fight after your charge because a lot of guys in similar tonnage are going to have more torso weapons than you can ever mount.

The plan is instead to use the Mediums as you close in for a Charge, Charge attack a frontline guy to bulldoze through and weaken them for the other guys, and then instead of sticking around you rush into the enemy's backline where the range of motion of the arms allows you to shoot at the back armor of frontliners as you keep running to start fighting their Snipers and LRM boats that are way less prepared for a melee brawl. And with them, kicks + the mediums will do good enough for severely fucking up their ability to do their job. Or if you want to keep focus on the frontline guys, do another Charge into their backs this time.

The overarching goal is to be a big Catch-22 of disruption and distraction. If they deal with the Charger, that takes heat off the main force and potentially gives them openings to shoot them in the back. If they don't, the Charger becomes a worse problem.

>Would you be willing to forfeit your potential mech upgrade rolls for the refit?
I'd be down for that.

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>>98902158
>If she had somehow managed to just keep passing those, I think she could have solo'd the remaining 3 enemies.

What's wrong with Clans?

>>98903471
Sociopathic caste system cooked up by a psychotic narcissist being led by the nose by his face-shifting deep cover op wife, thinking they have any claim to a Star League their cowardly ancestors fled rather than fight for.

I know it's probably an exercise in futility to assign proper calibers to the various ballistic weapons, but I've heard different people cite 20mm as the figure for both AC/2s and standard MGs. I want to say it seems a bit big for machine guns, but then, the ones on mechs do weigh 1000 pounds...

>>98901447
Upload the PDF and maybe I'll care.

>>98903519
Mech scale MGs fall everywhere between 50cal and 30mm, with 20mm being the most common value. AC/2s are almost always 40mm or larger; I can't think of one that's actually 20mm anywhere. Regardless, the 1000-lb weight for an MG also includes all of the servo assists, remote unjamming equipment, and the gun mount itself. An M2s remote mount on top of an M1 Abrams weighs about 750lbs, so the more flexible mounting on a Mech weighting a touch more is still pretty reasonable. The Rheinmetall S-20 remote 20mm gun mount is a bit more than 950lbs, so that's still within reason.

>>98903546
>>98903519
Consider that the material science of BT is meant to be so far beyond that of modern day, that comparing the two is asinine.

>>98903546
Also the actual ammo feed. Ammo bins are abstract (an empty bin weighs nothing), but the feed is part of the weapon since iOS missile launchers specifically remove the superfluous feed and shave weight as a result.

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>>98902158
Oof, not a good day to be carrying hot tamales into the ring.

>>98902182
I'M HONORING AS HARD AS I CAN, TAI-SHO!

>>98903471
You'd be easier asking what is right?

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The Hour of the Black Marauder is upon us

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Time to trick or treat in battlemechs!

>>98902211
Slap some wash over that thing, mon. Either tactical in the panel lines or just all over, second case you need to re highlight it but either way it will give way more definition to it all.

>>98903853
if any kid showed up in a BT costume I'd hand em a full bag of stuff and bottle of wine for folks.

My game group did a black marauder story last night so fun.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTFfEMYErxo

>>98904158
Man Airmechs look so fucking cool and I'm not even trying to be an instigator

>>98903853
what a specific crossover

>>98902158
"Highlander PPC hit the head"
I don't even care if I got four wounds and I need chrome or something to get back up.
All that matters is that stuffs blows up. Enduring until turn 14 ain't bad.

>>98904602
You were a terrible menace and I rooted against you every step of the way, especially when you, Igzael, and McCormick all alpha striked me at the same time. I still partially regret when I decided to do a test roll for Eleanor upgrading her mech and rolled that Highlander. It certainly becomes the focal point of the battle.
All that said, I think I was fair in when I declared her finally eliminated. She could have stuck around to draw fire until the mech was actually destroyed, but so could some others. I think the battle results give me some things to work with for her story wise. She had a great showing and was on the winning side, but she also learned that she's not invincible. That will likely keep her from getting too full of herself. I do wonder how she'll react to McCormick pointing out that he outlasted her in a mech with 1/3 the tonnage. The Locust too. The light mech pilots will certainly get to do some gloating, though I imagine they'll all still want Eleanor on their team.

>>98904775
Don't worry, I'm completely entertained by stuff blowing up. Funnily enough, I've never had my to Highlander perform well on the tabletop. Must be destiny.

>>98904775
I don't see why that would be surprising. If you are the enemy force you absolutely have to kill the Highlander but can ignore a Valkyrie for some time.

But now that I think about it lighting up the Javelin is totally a William call. It is the next mech in the light predator food chain right under the Phoenix Hawk.

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still working on thundering the stallion

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Another one down. Thinking I need to do a Shiro or a No-Dachi next.

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the ppc
the ppc
shoot me in the head
with the ppc

Is Clan Wolf Beta Galaxy TOO popular as a color scheme?

>>98906440
I think it's clearly the best wolf color scheme. Other clans have much more reasonable spreads of acceptable color schemes.

>>98906440
It's the only fucking reason to paint Clan Wolf, because it's probably one of, if not the best clan color scheme. So of course it's incredibly popular. I don't fault anyone for painting it.

>>98904342
If they were brought back as a standalone thing rather than only existing as one of the LAM modes, I'd be down for it. Could probably get some decent, reasonably balanced rules for them as a solo act.

>>98906583
GliderMechs would be a cool concept. I'd like to see more 'Mech suptypes in general desu.

>>98906583
That could be cool. Id also be open to LAMs that could only transform into mech and airmech modes, with no jet mode. But also ya, i still wouldn't mind a dedicated airmech with some decent rules. Off the top of my head I can't imagine they'd be to different from VTOLs or heavily minmaxxed jump mechs, which I wouldn't mind if they were some kind of cancerous combo of both desu since I favor cancerous jump mechs a lot

Continuing the discussion about customizing mechs, is it possible to customize Variant B of a certain mech into its primary model as Variant B would be a downgrade? See upgrading a Marauder-3L to MAD-3R and a Highlander-733 to an HGN-732?

>>98906769
For some mechs, the more advanced variant coming back into use (or in some cases, the mech itself coming back at all) is because they refit them back to what they used to be.

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>>98906583
>a mech able to basically zip around like a vtol aircraft

I can already hear Steel Haze (Rusted Pride) playing kek.

Either that or Mechanized Memories.

>>98906440
Clan Wolf-in-Exile's Alpha Galaxy also has a great color scheme, albeit a simple one.

>Sold out of your core rule book
Thats actually a huge failing and embarasment.

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>>98902182
I did my best to honor them during Halloween mainly by drinking lots of sake

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I recently found the OG Magi tank. It's apparently from Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons.

I found out from an old web site that dates back to when autists would made their own html websites to document and publish their individual pursuits.

>>98907504
People have been playing Battletech without that book for over 40 years now, I'm sure the world will be fine.

>>98907504
Isn't that a good thing? It shows high demand.

>>98907722
Doesn't look the same, bro. The design language is just similar.

>>98907873
Based on their history of inconsistent or delayed deliveries, it more likely indicates they just fucked up the supply side and requisitioned next to no stock or botched the supply line or partnered with a bad supplier, etc.

>>98908056
My FLGS got restocked three times and currently still has some available. It sold very well here. I'm not inclined to go doomer mode over a sold out first printing.

>>98907733
That and anybody who is here knows how to get a free digital copy.

>>98906440
Reject faction based color schemes, embrace speedpaint camouflage schemes that could be any faction.

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>>98902556
Some of the emblems feel like they'd make great unit insignias. Some of the personalities of the squadrons also would feel not out of place with 80's Battletech.

>>98908427
this just sounds like cowardice and indecision.

>>98906440
Funnily enough, I just decided to paint up most of my clan mechs in that scheme, too. I started with the Overlord C and now I'm gonna try to paint up 45 mechs to fill out its full compliment.

>>98908494
Faction tribalism is gay, embrace flexibility. This will not only help you embrace the game more, but also the narrative. You can play any narrative with faction-agnostic paint schemes.

>>98908683
Flexibility is gay, embrace faction flavor.

You want an Alpha Wolf? Should have painted Clan Wolf then. How about an Ion Sparrow? How about go fuck yourself, how does that sound?

>>98908494
What if your faction color scheme is just camo?

>>98908683
Solve both problems by collecting every faction.

>>98908771
Faction flavor is a meme to sell more plastic.
Any mech can be used by any faction, hell, any piece of equipment can be used by anyone.

>>98908903
This. Both those anons are weak with tiny collections, or they would have already come to this conclusion. He also could just use a camo faction like the Regulans and just proxy them for other stuff, too.

>>98901495
It's not a cash grab in my opinion. Rather, it's the devs having no ideas.

What are plasma attacks supposed to look like? White hot glowing piss stream? Fireball? Shotgun lava blast?

>>98908989
Should just come here for ideas for better or worse.

>>98902849
Interesting thought. Maybe I can incorporate it into the between battles lore.
>>98902781
>It also means you probably put up some real damage numbers for your small tonnage.
lol, I haven't crunched the numbers for everyone yet, but I can tell you this, Lee failed quite a few of those fog tests. So a lot of times, when he'd fail a fog test, I'd just have him do a purely defensive maneuver. A 7 or 8 hex jump into light terrain gives the enemy a +5 to hit. Nobody is looking your way at that point, but also, you ain't hitting Jack.
>>98903368
I've had time to think it over and I think I'm okay with the retrofit. However, before you commit to it, I should clarify something. I run my games with the newer melee modifiers. So that's a -1 to both punch & kick instead of a 0 & -2 respectively. So kicking is not automatically assumed in the games I'm doing. You still want the MLs in the arms?

>>98909052
Is the retrofit offer being extended to everyone, or is this a special circumstance for the Charger sucking unbelievable amounts of ass unless it can threaten a runup?

>>98909082
No, not everyone. I already have a general idea of who is going to be getting what offers and opportunities. I don't really want to go full customization build, but that is a very minor one for the Charger.
Though you're welcome to let me know what you'd like done for your mech and I'll consider them all on a case by case basis.

>>98909023
Plasma rifles are like shooting superhot flaming marshmallow machine guns. They use little plastic cartridges in a hopper like bullets.

Jumpjet plasma or flamer plasma attacks are like giant plasma torches.

>>98909026
What ideas has this cesspool generated?

>>98909135
We just generated a periphery state that's cool AF, but if this place is a cesspoool, I'm sure that's only because you're here. See yourself out.

>>98909135
Fuck off Herb.

>>98909102
>Though you're welcome to let me know what you'd like done for your mech and I'll consider them all on a case by case basis.
What year is it?

>>98909401
I think it was originally 3045 which means it'd be 3046 now.

>>98909429
I thought it was before the 4th Succession War

>>98908924
>Any mech can be used by any faction
If you're putting any effort into making your force fluffy at all, no. You wouldn't see a clanner fielding a screamer, first because the only one ever made was destroyed and second because it's a LAM and third because it was created by the clanner equivalent of hitler. Similarly, you wouldn't see them fielding other LAMs that actually still exist, especially WoB LAMs.

>>98909565
No. Definitely not. Part of the whole lore of Kapteyn Academy is that it's in response to the forming of the Federated Commonwealth. I also had people roll their mechs on the 3039 tables of the RAT.

>>98909612
You sound like an absolutely miserable fag.

As a newfag who's new to BattleTech tabletop, I gotta know from you olderfags

What mechs should I get as a first-timer? Or does it not really matter, and is it more about what looks cool?

>>98909689
1. Whatever you want to use because it looks cool
2. Faction you like because it has the units you think look cool
3. Time period because it has the units you think look cool

>>98909689
Can play with whatever you want but generally I recommend playing with introtech mediums just to learn the ropes. Something like the Griffin, Shadow Hawk, Wolverine or Vindicator.

>>98909668
>being a miserable fag is when you like fluff at all and make it a factor in your force creation
You can just say you don't like BT fluff, you don't need to falsely justify your preferences as being in line with it and you don't need to make your models in line with it either.

>>98909689
Anything from Technical Readout 3025. If you want a specific product to look for, you might still be able to find the A Game of Armored Combat box set and its miniatures. If you can't, Legendary Mechwarriors III has a good variety to build a starting lance from. Whatever you've had fun with in the games otherwise. If you want to take some time trying chassis before committing to minis, grab and print out the Papertech set from wherever in the OP it ended up.

>>98909689
Get stuff that looks cool and are also old SLDF machines that survive the Succession Wars like Thunderbolts, Marauders, Warhammers, Archers, etc. They're in service for half a millennium or more; every faction has them, and they have new variants into the most modern eras.

>>98909689
It's rapidly becoming harder to find, but the mechs in the A Game of Armored Combat box are evergreen.
But there's more than 600 mechs, so there's a lot of ways to approach picking them.

>>98909429
A couple years too early for a 5K refit, then.

>LAMs feel like a natural progression of battlemechs
>Have a literal star in their chest, so power isnt a problem or shouldn't. Because the output of BT fusions reactors are terrible
>One guy on the dev team had such a hate boner that he had them nuked in every way he could
>Fans still use em and they are making a comeback due to the massive influx of weebs getting into the setting
I can only imagine the seething. The partial wing is basically there already anyway, just take the last step.

>>98909884
No, and fuck you very much. Macross is a dumpster fire of a franchise, nothing more should be cribbed from it.

>>98909926
Sorry, pal. But there is no reason why LAMs shouldnt be a thing.

>>98909934
Yes, there is, it's unsensible technology in the BT tech tree, hence it's removal.

>>98909936
>Fusion reactors are ok
>FTL is ok
>But mechs that can fly?
>Nope!
>Why?
>REASONS!

>>98909941
LAM hate is always disingenuous, it doesn't benefit anyone to keep responding.

>>98909941
>mech skeletons are lashed together with metal muscle cables
>transforms and tears its limbs off trying
You're not an engineer, are you?

>>98909957
It benefits me. I like making other people miserable, and LAMfags deserve it.

>>98909981
Why would the skeleton tear itself apart transforming if it had been designed with transformation in mind?

>>98910017
Where's all that excess myomer go to allow for structural transformation? Hammerspace? It doesn't stretch beyond its parameters, nor does it contract into a void when not in use.

>>98910034
Into compartments designed for that extra mass, as part of the extra weight and crit space spent on the transformation mechanism and aero components?

>>98909689
All these grogs give fine advice, but I'd also recommend some of the newer mechs to spice things up and learn about some of the newer tech, like the Hammerhead and Eris for example. Both are fine examples of mechs with unique "gimmicks" that are fun and easy to understand and let them be fun on the tabletop and stand out

>>98908771
>How about an Ion Sparrow? How about go fuck yourself, how does that sound?
I mean, go fuck yourself IS the right response to anyone who plays an Ion Sparrow.

>>98909884
I've always wondered what a "full wing" would do. Im very in favor of them bringing back LAMs at least in the form of maybe dedicated Airmechs with some reasonable rules. The idea of a mech hovering around the battlefield mid air sounds very cool and very fun, it should be a feature. In general though I think they should add some more movement options for mechs other than just jump jets, like maybe hover jets and tracked feet for example, both can have their advantages and disadvantages

>>98910049
Show me these compartments. Are they occupying crit slots? How are you warping the non-myomer skeleton? Extra gimbals and joints? How is the armor shifting to accommodate shit not being where it was when it was bolted on? LAM transformation is ridiculous by any logic of structural engineering, and since we aren't playing with magictech it has no place in a grounded engineering tech tree like BT functions under.

>>98910084
I feel like you're massively overcomplicating a process as relatively simple as "point thrust in one direction, unfold lift and control surfaces, go." Especially when you consider BattleMechs are, in fact, robots which can be built to accommodate pointing their thrust in one direction and unfolding lift and control surfaces, a process presumably not much more complicated than giving one four legs considering both variants predate Lostech and its benefits.

>>98910066
A fullwing would be more or less a flight pack. Something that every non LAM could equip. However, it wouldnt be as good as a real LAM. Constant heat generation per turn, slower in the air, maybe an aim penalty. However, it does add back armor and is ditched when it's own armor reaches zero or whatever.

Can Battletech ever be unfucked, /tg/?
Herb is a shitter but he's right that LAMs don't really vibe.
Coleman and Stackpole fucked the worldbuilding, Wizkids era should never have happened and CGL is allergic to good decisions.
It's taken the PiG a decade to unshit the vidya, and it will still never be tabletop/lore accurate.
What do, western mecha fan, what do?

>>98910103
I feel like you're underestimating the complexity of designing such an over-engineered foible. Fundamentally changing the interior of a thing changes everything on or around that thing. Everything would have to move, everything would have to align in perfect order, with perfect timing, without flaw, every time, or else cripple the overengineered foible, which defeats the point entire. Look at the teething problems the Osprey had to overcome just to flip its props and maintain flight, as an example of the obstacles such an engineering feat would have to contend with.

>>98910122
Enjoy the parts of the setting you like and not winge about some theoretical utopic vision not being real, because said scenarios literally never exist.

>>98910139
Do you mean that thing that was done centuries ago in-universe and with much simpler technology? Or do you mean how the LAM versions of Mechs are canonically separate chassis made with those accommodations in mind?

>>98910122
If you want to unfuck the series, they need to either reboot the entire thing, or have a fuck huge time skip and make everything before it be considered classic, OBSOLETE, and useless in the current era. Current Battletech suffers from there being no real tech advancement and battlemechs having no real uniqueness to them. Any X tonnage mech can do the same thing as any mech of the same tonnage. So, mechs are just skins.

>>98910149
Those chassis would never be worth the trouble to develop in the first place.

>>98910164
They were though, otherwise they wouldn't exist and be a major part of 3025's early stories.

>>98910171
Stop replying to this fool, anon. He has yet to put down the goal posts!

>>98910176
I wanna see if he leaves town on his own though.

>>98910171
Coincidental tech theft from a magictech series dumped into a tech base not able to justify its development nor improve upon it is a paradox and should be erased.

>>98910190
Source?

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>>98910139
>Fundamentally changing the interior of a thing changes everything on or around that thing
The interior does not change, parts just change orientation.
>Look at the teething problems the Osprey had to overcome just to flip its props and maintain flight
Problems that were fixed.

>>98910191
Macross

>>98910122
>Can Battletech ever be unfucked, /tg/
No. The plot literally cannot be fixed due to legal obligations.
>Herb is a shitter but he's right that LAMs don't really vibe
Then you didn't vibe with classic battletech in the first place man.

>>98910196
Macross isn't canon to Battletech, though. Nothing in it or from it exists in the setting, otherwise we'd have Big Klan Klan hanging out with the Clans.

>>98910194
>minimal wing shifting is equivalent to complete structural realignment
You okay?

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>>98910210
>minimal wing shifting is equivalent to complete structural realignment
Yes.
>but it's more complex
Yes.
Same thing but harder.

>>98910215
Thus, overengineered, a mini-Baron, and that thing didn't shapeshift.

>>98910213
That's not them existing in Battletech the setting, it's them being used as the basis for the art of Battletech the game. You can tell because the Shadow Hawk is a shitbox and Dougram is the best Combat Armor of its setting.

>>98910233
Except they ported over the functionality of what they cribbed into a setting that's provided tech advancement tree doesn't allow for it, creating a paradox in development.

>>98910228
You do not know what "overengineered" means.
Something is overengineered if it is more complex than it needs to be to achieve its design purpose.
LAMs are exactly as complex as they need to be to be mechs with the mobility of ASFs, you cannot achieve ASF mobility with a mech without making it a LAM.

>>98909052
>So that's a -1 to both punch & kick instead of a 0 & -2 respectively. So kicking is not automatically assumed in the games I'm doing. You still want the MLs in the arms?
Yeah. I wasn't even really considering the -2 that much since I expected you might be using the updated. A single kick does still deal 16 damage like 2 punches, and while the latter can still hit with one if the other rolls bad or hit a wider variety of locations, I tend to like the concentrated 16 to a generally expected location (legs). Especially since the attacks would be intended on Snipers/Fire Support mechs which may not be able to handle such a concentrated hit there too well.

Similarly, the arc of fire you can get with lower arms + torso twist has so much value for finding rear armor shots once you get into that backline position to put on the pressure that makes you a problem the enemy needs to address.

>>98910249
It doesn't create a paradox, though. The Battletech technological progression is as much a work of fiction as the rest of the work and it says LAMs were invented just fine. It's no more a paradox than any given piece of Clan equipment.

>>98909884
LAMs are peak and only secondary faggots hate em.

>>98910250
It would have to be to achieve that purpose beyond the reasonable limits of in-universe technology. A LAM does nothing something simpler does better, cheaper, and without an illogical Rule Of Cool to justify its existence.

>>98910274
Moving a BattleMech, the ultimate technology and combat platform, from there to here without spinning up a massive and highly visible DropShip to lift off, travel, and then land?

>>98910274
>It would have to be to achieve that purpose beyond the reasonable limits of in-universe technology
It's not, such things are demonstrably possible within the limits of in-universe technology by them existing and functioning in-universe.
>A LAM does nothing something simpler does better
A simpler mech cannot achieve the mobility of a LAM.

>>98910285
>A simpler mech cannot achieve the mobility of a LAM.

*Laughs in Fire Moth*

>>98910285
>It's not, such things are demonstrably possible within the limits of in-universe technology by them existing and functioning in-universe.
Chicken or egg is not a basis for argument.
>>98910279
>>98910285
If that was its function, every 'mech would be a LAM. As it stands, nothing in-universe utilizes LAM-style or -level tech, which means it does not belong. Aberrant tech does not belong.

>>98910316
Well as seen by the extra tonnage and crit space used by the aeronautics, as well as the tonnage and internal restrictions nobody likes, there are sacrifices and compromises to be made when designing a LAM that may not necessarily be viable for your design to make. At the same time, the existence of LAMs and them not being shunted off to "in-universe work of fiction" like The Animated Series is proof that a Mech that can move like an ASF has its place to the people within the setting.

>>98910313
Even in optimal terrain one of the dashers that can move 25 hexes is still less mobile than a stinger LAM, LAMs further gain even more mobility advantage if there is any rough terrain between their initial position and the target destination.
>>98910316
>Chicken or egg is not a basis for argument.
Someone that said "internal combustion engines do not function due to the physical laws of our universe" would be disproven if someone presented a functioning internal combustion engine.
And some people in-universe wanted a mech with the mobility of an ASF, which necessitates designing and using LAMs.

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Gentlemen. I've not posted in the LAM argument, but there are two pieces of information that are useful here.

First, ASF's are built on mechtech. They use myomer to move their flaps and the miniaturized fusion engine was first used in the Mackie. Barring the retcons CGL has made. They also use neurohelmets. They share a ton of baseline tech that other units don't. They even take a beating like mechs in space. Play a game of Aerotech sometime. It will become ingrained. LAM's do make sense in universe.

ASF's also being the most strategically-critical and rare standard combat unit (1/5 as common as mechs), are also the reason why LAM's were generally a failure. ASF's are needed more than a flying mech, and that's how the majority of LAM's died in use (being used as an ASF force) before they become rare enough to be hoarded for their special talents.

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>>98901447
Which books do I read to get the low-down on phelan from his time with the kell-hounds up to the events of the the ARDC being formed, the stackpole blood of kerensky trilogy?
Also is it true that ranna got with phelan while fucking literally everyone around her, including vlad, and told him so to his face? Trying to reconcile a nietszchean warrior society with hippie-commune levels of fucking and the fact Phelan allowed it up until the exiled wolves left.

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>>98910316
>If that was its function, every 'mech would be a LAM
It should be noted that, outside of the Light tonnage range, LAMs were still considered highly experimental and really, really advanced. Their factories were highly prized even back in the first Succession War, and afterwards were pretty much irreplaceable by the Great Houses.
If the Star League hadn't fell and LAM RnD kept being advanced, it wouldn't be a stretch to say conventional eventually just wouldn't have been able to compete.
So the easy, and canonically backed, answer to why LAMs aren't everywhere is because the SLDF fell. Too expensive for the Great Houses to pick up, too flexible to fit Clan autism, and WoB made a fair go of it but in the middle of an intergalactic, apocalyptic war that wouldn't have lent them time to research the tech, just resurrect what already exists.

>>98910396
BoK will give you the main OG Invasion story with OG Phelan and all his characterization.

Ranna is used as an example of how she actually likes Phelan but thinks it's alien that he would get upset that she fucks her sibbies like every other trueborn. Phelan actually catches her with Vlad. She doesn't rub it in. She's just confused he doesn't understand, like some hippy in a free love commune.

If you want the ARDC stuff, you need to read the Refusal War novels for the next part.

>>98910398
>intergalactic
just interstellar

>>98910373
>ASF's are needed more than a flying mech, and that's how the majority of LAM's died in use (being used as an ASF force) before they become rare enough to be hoarded for their special talents.
Part of why I think dedicated AirMechs would be a better option than reintroducing LAMs at this time, as too much is needed to maje them good ASF just yet. Also because on the gameplay side, an Airmech would give the air support feeling without needing as many map sheets as true ASF need.

>>98910398
>that wouldn't have lent them time to research the tech
They figured out how to design "IJJ's" on them which is a huge leap forward for them in design. Plus, they made the first new chassis in centuries.

>>98910313
The slowest possible LAM has a comfortable cruise speed of 51 hexes per turn and can double that in a pinch. Most LAMs are much faster than that.

>>98910285
>>98910313
Granted this is in a random buggy YAML and a few other mods build but this guy made himself a spider-8Xr that goes sanicfast and the partial wings act as believable air brakes, which makes a modicum of sense, but it goes into armored core territory.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mechwarrior5/comments/1xl3zsr/jumpjets_no_runjets/

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>>98910208
>otherwise we'd have Big Klan Klan hanging out with the Clans.

>>98910122
>Herb is a shitter but he's right that LAMs don't really vibe.
They are literally baked into the core of the setting. They will never not be canon and idk why people think theyve been written out. Literally half the factions in the setting RN may just randomly decide to magically rebuild LAM factories at any time and some of the those factions include clanners as well. This isn't event saying anything about Wobbly remnant factions deciding to manifest somewhere and also picking up LAM production as well

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>>98910579
This is a new peak in bullshit wrong information and terrible opinions right here. Bravo.

>>98910579
There are some gems in the militia mechs like the Quasit

>>98910579
>
If the writers of BT had literally ever been good at their job or bothered to contribute to a shared vision then LAMs *would* vibe with the rest of the setting. Same could be said about several entire factions and eras.
As it currently is though (and I would support a complete reboot at this point) the setting looks exactly the way something built entirely by email and committee would: like inconsistent trash.

>>98910626
>As it currently is though (and I would support a complete reboot at this point) the setting looks exactly the way something built entirely by email and committee would: like inconsistent trash.
Yet you think starting from scratch would be any better?!

>>98910642
>Yet you think starting from scratch would be any better?!
NTA but both no and yes. Yes I think it is possible for competent people to create a better, more coherent version of the setting. No I do not think CGL are even close to being those people and if they tried to do it they'd create a steaming heap of shit, fortunately they are much, much too lazy to even think about something that would require that much work.

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>>98909743
Yeah and I'm definitely putting a hard stop on customization jobs that would involve upgrades to FF and double heat sinks. That goes a bit beyond swapping out some small lasers for medium lasers. If you want some minor weapon switch out, that is what I'll hear out.
>>98910268
>makes you a problem the enemy needs to address.
I'll take your word on it. It is just 2 ML though. It's a minor change, but it does make the mech 70BV higher.

>>98910667
What about turning my rear facing lasers forward? How often does a 5/8/5 really have to worry about getting flanked, anyway? Seems like being able to shoot more lasers at what I'm trying to kill would be more useful than fretting about who might get behind a cavalry trooper. Such caution doesn't seem fitting for a would be samurai.

>>98910579
this reeks of "-ism think"

also
>no quadvee cope
I see your favoritism and raise you, you're playing the game wrong. The kitchen sink of rules is there for narrative play. No one plays most of that stuff cuz it either sucks outright or sucks to play with/against. Most people don't engage in narrative play.

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>>98910706
You see the 2 internal torso shots on the Locust? Those came from Medium Lasers from your rear facing MLs. Aside from that, I've often wondered how the swapping of weapons from rear to forward facing would go in-universe lore. Seems like the kind of thing that would require a big rework.
Could other anons weigh in on this particular bit of lore?

>>98910642
Not with CGL at the helm. The only hope for BT is they implode and the license goes to someone who actually gives half a shit about the setting.

>>98910740
Things like the Centurion or Dragon with a single rear ML are known to have refits that move it forward. The only big weapon machine known to have that commonly is the Quickdraw, to the point the original 1986 model has everything facing forward with the SRM in a wrestling belt on the waist..

>>98910740
Sarna, in the Quickdraws 4H entry, describes swapping the SRM4 and two rear facing lasers as, "While a time-consuming process, it is a straightforward procedure and can be done in the field by any competent tech support facility." This suggests to me that changing weapon facing in general is just a matter of putting in the work. But I will defer to your judgment. I'd probably get cored by that Locust in the next game just to punish my hubris.

>>98910667
If we roll a new mech can we select a similar variant? Like for example say I didn't want to sit on explosive ammo could I swap a Phoenix Hawk to the variant that trades the machine guns for heat sinks?

>>98910579
>Quads
The rules for these are actually piss easy, I think people just dont like them because they look goofy.

>LAMs
Aero tech is actually just a complete pain in the ass to deal with when you’re already trying to play Battletech. And it’s kinda a shit game on its own IMO. And if you only play these with their WiGe movement you’re missing out on half the experience. Justified removal from the setting IMO.

>protomech
Never played with these but I hear they can get cheesy bv efficiency. No real reason for these to exist when we can just have assault battle armor IMO

>tripod
These just look goofy, I don’t think it has anything to do with players not liking DA. The additional rules are easy, I think they also suffer from availability issues.

>industrials
These have some pretty ugly ass models. And lots of rules. Their inherent BV efficiency lends them towards cheese. Also typically doesn’t make sense for even periphery militaries to use them outside of the early DA

LAMs look stupid

>>98910740
Forward swaps are actually very easy because it leaves a "hole" in the mech which is then immediately refilled by the same weapon. All the guts behind the barrel just need to be rerouted to account for the power in or ammo feed being on the left and the coolant pipe being on the right now. It's one of the easier refits mechanically as well.

>>98910884
>The rules for these are actually piss easy, I think people just dont like them because they look goofy.
I actually blame rule organization for this, instead of a section that just tells you what you need to change for quads, the quad rules are all spread out as modifications made in each individual section of the book. The new core rulebook putting quads, tripods, and superheavies in their own appendices at the back that tell you everything about that unit type makes it much, much easier to actually see what changes for them on the field.

>>98910905
no they don't

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>>98911039
Personally I do think new LAMs could do with some more diversity appearance wise. They don't all have to follow the original Macross layout.

>>98910993
>The new core rulebook putting quads, tripods, and superheavies in their own appendices at the back that tell you everything about that unit type
As a quad enjoyer I sincerely appreciated that they did this. The new book really is well organized.

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>>98911053
Ah wrong one, but you get my point

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>>98911053
My favorite fan design is the Locust LAM.

>>98911062
that's so stupid, I genuinely want to run one.

What is the largest weapon you would rear mount on say a 100-ton mech? A gauss rifle, an UAC20? I'd go with a SNPPC, personally.

>>98911131
Two medium lasers at most.

>>98911131
Bombast laser because nothing says fuck you like glowing ass cheeks.

>>98911131
twin improved heavy medium lasers

>>98911131
Medium VSPL

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>>98911131
Clan ERPPC...
...Was really racking my brain trying to get over 3500 BV.

>>98911131
An SRM-6 of course, the shart special

>>98911131
LPL

>>98911131
If you weren't a coward, you would go all in and mount every single weapon backwards and flip the front and rear armor. Backwards mech.

>>98911794
We call this mech the wombat.

>>98911131
Double flamers, because fuck you for backstabbing my fat ass

>>98911794
That's just crazy enough to work

>>98911062
I really wish we had VTOL LAMs. In general I think LAM rules should be rewritten to allow mechs to transform into all 3 forms, or just two and have it have different advantages and disadvantages

>>98910784
Alright, your rear lasers can face forward. Hope you don't regret it.
>>98910849
You don't need to worry about mech rolling for the next round. I've got plans for McCormick.

>>98912104
Help I am in danger

>>98911794
Legit did this one time with friends when running customs. Could mount anything we wanted it just had to be rear mounted.

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>>98909698
>>98909700
>>98909706
>>98909709
>>98909714
>>98910050

>>98912273
I think you will find yourself vindicated in the end.

>>98911062
unironically I think one of the things that would make LAMs more viable as far as in-universe reasoning would go is to just use mechs that're already pretty fucking airplane-shaped for the things.
Good couple of them already look like a fighter jet with legs (never mind the Japanese take on the Madcat that would later end up as concept art for the first Armored Core game), literally just slap wings on some of those bitches and make the legs fold up more and BAM, you've got a jet now.

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>>98911881
I've always loved the "helicopter with legs" looking kind of 'mech anyway

I have lore question - what exactly happened to all the civilians living on IS planets that got conquered by Clans during invasion? Imagine you are some local scientist, just having satisfying job at research institute, then suddenly your planet is conquered and then what? Some big ass dude comes in and says you no longer have surname and your next 12h shift as labourer is tomorrow?

>>98912882
Depends from Clan to Clan and world to world. For some legit nothing changed except which flag you had to salute. Others they did try to assimilate more actively.

>>98912882
There are several castes.

>>98912882
That guy would probably be science caste. The real shock would for someone like a big landlord told to report to his factory shift and shithole apartment.

>>98912972
Wouldn't landlord be considered a merchant?

>>98912717
>Need Bushwacker LAM
A new age of chicken walker is upon us!

>>98912882
So the clan castes all have their own councils and are supposed to govern their own. The warriors are able to override basically everyone else because they're the ones allowed to have guns, but caste selection is supposed to be decided by the scientists looking at your history and performing aptitude tests. Where they tried to integrate people into the caste system, they also tried to match their caste with their profession or areas of expertise.
In many cases though, the clanners just built themselves walled compounds and told everyone outside that they weren't allowed to have weapons, money, or family anymore without actually doing any particular caste based assignments. Usually this resulted in either nothing functionally changing because clan wardens are notoriously understaffed and inept at investigation or rebellion starting to brew immediately and without any number of crackdowns able to stop it.

>>98912976
The closest equivalent to landlord in the clans would be some sort of housing assignment manager, but I feel like that's a fairly high ranking position, proper resource allocation is like the third most important thing to the clans after artificial gestation and honor dueling.

Does anyone have a good looking Mad Cat mkIII stl to share? I keep finding low poly ones or blocky MW4 models while i'm trying to get something closer to the latest CGL or MWO/MW5 minis

>>98905562
Wider

>>98910884
What are the rule differences for quads? I know they have a limited 90 degree forward arc in Alpha Strike, but I don't know all of the rules.

What is a normal number of models to own

>>98913385
About tree fiddy

>>98913385
I have 182 painted units and probably about 100 more waiting to be painted.

>>98913385
Are you going to run campaigns? Are you collecting multiple houses and clans? Do you intend to have opfor for friends/new players to use? If so then multiple battalions/trinaries, at least one per house/nation/clan. Plus some merc companies. And unpainted spares to be done up and inserted as needed.

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>>98913385
I took this picture once I finished painting the last of my minis. My collection was finally done. Then I eventually bought more.

>>98913597
>That cat in the corner
There is a spy in your room!

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>>98913612
He's been spying on me for years.

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>>98913242
I actually made it slightly narrower. This is what I'm going to print with.

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>is called Inner Sphere
>is actually a circle
>humanity never colonized space up and down
>there are no periphery states up and down
what is the in-lore explanation of this? does KF drive work two dimensionally?

>>98914001
making realistic space maps is a pain in the ass, particularly for print, particularly in the 1980s, particularly if you are lazy.

>>98913385
I estimated just last night that I have about 530 models with about 150 painted. Is this normal? I don't know.

>>98914001
What anon said, but also some of the stars are "up" or "down" it's just handwaved away, and the milky way is relatively thin near us, so if the inner sphere was actually a sphere, there would still be less habitable ones "up" and "down" than around the X and Y axes.

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>>98912104
Maximum damage potential increased!

>>98914105
Watch as you get cooked alive by overheating.

>>98914122
It is the most Kuritan way to go.

>>98913384
Quads biggest flaws are no torso twist. You need a quad turret to not be crippled, but not many canon quads have them. Otherwise, quads can lateral shift, mule kick, and get bonuses to standing up.

>>98914126
Didn't we once have a Taurian pilot detonate his mech ammo trying to finish off a Davion when there was no real need to?

>>98913384
they have a bad design rules problem where they have very limited crit space, on the tabletop the only mechanical issue with them is the lack of torso twist, which their additional movement abilities don't really compensate for. It wouldn't be hard to fix them

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Had an old Omen sitting around so I did an experiment with a different cockpit jeweling effect and I really like it. Now I just have to decide if I like it enough to redo it on my other mechs in the same paint scheme.

Left is the new one, should I bother repainting some of the cluster or just leave it as a novelty?

>>98914210
I feel like lateral shift should be better. It's nice when it can be used, but it's almost never very impactful.

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>>98913041
My biggest beef with the 'Wacker is it's fucked up arms...

>>98914001
>>98914052
I mean the Galaxy is a disk, and I'm not sure how much of our Arm the Inner Sphere takes up.

>>98914344
>I'm not sure how much of our Arm the Inner Sphere takes up.
You know the dot that NASA uses to show Sol's location in the Orion Spur? About that size and that place.

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>>98914375
Yeah, so it's going to depend on how "thick" the Orion Spur is...

>>98914344
I think not showing the entire galaxy in maps could be an attempt to future-proof the setting, as there was some controversy in the scientific community for a while about whether the Milky Way was a standard spiral or barred spiral galaxy and maybe the writers didn't want to take sides. Seems like the scientific consensus nowadays is that it's a barred spiral, but I guess we can't really be sure until somebody is able to photograph it from outside.

It's the same reason Apha Centauri never shows up in Mass Effect. With all the new space telescopes coming out over the past few decades, the developers figured scientists would learn more about the planets there in the foreseeable future and didn't want the game to feel outdated too quickly.

>>98914410
I mean it's also like >>98914007 said, it's not like adding a third axis to a game map is going to help things.
I know while Star Trek Online's "Sector Map" is effectively 2d despite having some "depth" to Solar Positions.

>>98914001
For what it's worth, KF drives are functionally limited by the galactic plane because they need to be within a certain distance of a star to work. Something about gravity wells and/or they need specific particles from solar radiation to recharge, not just using solar power for regular electricity.

>>98914441
>Something about gravity wells and/or
It's Gravity Wells, which IS a bit of a snag since it makes every LaGrange Point is also a Pirate Point.

>>98914441
>need specific particles from solar radiation to recharge

It's pretty broad spectrum. Recharge from a station is just microwaves. IIRC, the arm is like 40 lightyears thick so doesn't throw a huge wrench into things. Better to think of the IS as a jumpmap than an actual star map.