NNN EditionPrevious: >>98910106>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: post nongreen decks with no infinites
>TQAnyone can make a nongreen deck with no infinitesimal. The issue is that they will likely not win.
>>98914227Everlasting torment, so when you through gobos at people they need to decide if its worth blocking or take burn.Cauldron of Souls or other effects, so when your non-token gobos come back with -1/-1 and give free burn.Andúril, Narsil Reforged, obvious. Other army support. Pick related. Makes goblins and its a free ping every turn and TGG doesn't care about what kind of counter.
Ah Ouais!
>>98914152Update:Came in 2nd (Goreclaw won). Ended up being a decent game once Valgaroth was bullied off the table and the Smothering Tithe player's tablet ran out of battery.
>>98914255ojer axonil wins with no infinites
>>98914373what do you do with that hidetsugu? hit people for 9 with blasphemous act?
>>98912206Behold, roughly the end all be all for counter hate. Just get it in before they do stupid things with counters, I guess.Also funny with Dark Depths.
>>98914400I had Hammer of Purphuros out for Haste, whacked the Valgaroth dude with Hidetsugu for 4 along with a juiced up 5/5 Marionette Master equipped with a Skullclamp for 9 total damage, and the dude quit for some reason. The Boros Giant player disconnected, and I was able to Pinnacle Monk out enough removal to keep the Goreclaw player at bay. Eventually cast a Wurmcoil Engine to go from 1 life to 8, Reanimated one of his creatures to board to try and block his Goreclaw, and forgot he has Rogue's Passage. Of well. (Basically put, Hidetsugu did fuck all, like he typically does without turbo combing him with infinite mana).
So is the reason they delayed the format update so long because they saw Star Trek coming down the pipeline and realized they should wait until they can preban the set?
>>98914408ohhhh toskixiama very beneficent
I want to build a poison deck but i can't decide on what path to go for it.Can you guys help me out? What are your favorite poison commanders and strats?
>>98914456dragon :3
>>98914460I mean he's really cool but how do you actually build that?
>>98914456I like slinging to kill people with poisonAs a concept, I'm still hammering out my own deck with it.
>>98914456You could try building the new black red sphinx. He seems pretty good if you want to actually kill three whole players with poison.
Thinking about building pic related. Anyone got a decklist?
>>98914456Pic related. Been tinkering with it as more of a Voltron commander with effects that care about getting each opponents to a middling level of poison counters. Though I'm also aiming for a lower power level there.
Simple but vital.
>>98914373What's a commander to delete passive value engines and still win?
>>98914682In my opinion the way to go is to just build a pile of edicts and draw. Many commanders support this kind of strategy. It's like stax but you're not touching lands so people don't get upset for some reason.
Thoughts on taking newer cards and making them faux old school cards?
>>98914403I want to remove counters from my stuff where it's beneficial. Like sagas and upkeep.
>>98914499CoOl, tOo bAd iTs 5 MaNa hyuck hyuck hyuck
>>98914682Any commander played with an adequate amount of interaction can prevent a solitaire game. It has virtually nothing to do with who you put in the command zone and everything to do with what's in your 99.
>>98913064All except Oyobi are really good for that. Nice narrowing down, anon!
>>98914714>thoughts Based if it actually has some effort put into it besides just slapping an old border on new art. Here's some I run.
>>98914487I did a toski deck for awhile but changed it to white green for Kwia. it was Voltron with lots of equipment. some auras, like strong back and rancor. (want to be connecting w/ opps for that combat card draw)I didnt do too much with squirrel tribal but Chitter Spitter is useful to generate some squirrel tokens for blockers. Silent Arbiter a must. blackblade reforged, commander's plate, Sphere Grid, inventor's fair, all kinds of stuff. lots of the green cards from the Tidus FFX deck are good picks. stuff for putting on +1/+1 counters. Some fun hidden tech: Avoid Fate & Riding the Dilu Horse (pic rel from MODO).
>>98914714official nu-old border cards like the ones they did in mh3 tend to look terrible compared to real old borders. so as long as you do it better than wizards themselves did and dont use ai slop, it seems like one of the cooler ways to proxy. using the oracle text and old symbols is probably the best way to do the text, as cool as making it read like an old card sounds
>>98914791woah thats dope AF. did you make that
>>98914472Blow your opponents shit up en masse while pumping your dragon
>>98914791That Aragorn kicks ass
>>98914808I'm quite partial to the new art old border versions of Entomb and Sylvan Library actually
>>98914891
>>98914808I need to find some non sloppa art for this, would like old border full art snow lands. Tbh it's not bad for slop though.
>>98914791I like how the rhino art sucks, very old school kino
does anyone know if you order "pre released" cards, for example now would be mystery booster commander cards from TCGplayer or Mana Pool if the people ship them out right away or are they "supposed to" wait until the release date? LGS' sell packs on the pre-release date and I guess those sellers are all like independent shops. but I wonder if it would be worth paying a mark up on a card or two now to be the real cool guy this weekend at commander night (one seller I know ships like almost over night practically)
>>98914912I got some Aetherdrift cards before official release.I didn;t for some hobbit stuff.Its varies from seller to seller.
aetherdrift cards with 80s racequeens
>>98914930fire up the slop
>>98914903It's perfect, what are you on about?
>>98914945Its made by AI so its SOOO TRASH even if the art works
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
still looking for help on my 4 drop cascade list. i managed to narrow it down to 100 cards, but still not entirely happy with it. you can look in the considering section for other cards i was looking at maybe using. any suggestions? should i up the amount of creatures that basic landcycle so that living end is less likely to whiff? i also really think scion of draco could be a really good option in this deck as it will basically make all those french vanilla cyclers more potent in combat.https://moxfield.com/decks/1TOSbuSUgkaqJhlPQiTsrw
>>98914945>>98914952Oh it's not bad, just would be nicer if it was human made
>>98914973>It looks nice>I like it>but it needs to made by a human because reasons.
>>98914976You can still tell it's AI, and art is meant to be from humans because art is self expression. It's fundamentally human.
>>98914981>because art is self expression. It's fundamentally human.>Human is sitting at a computer. They are putting text from their mind into a tool to express themselves into a visual form>No, it doesn't count because they didn't go to art school and use a pencil.AI is just a low skill floor for people to express themselves. You can not like it, but it objectively a medium and a tool for human self-expression.You just want to say its not for cool boy points in your echochamber.
>>98914981Anakin, art is meant to be from humans because art is self expression. It's fundamentally human. So you must pay for overpriced art commissions made by lazy artists and glaze mentally ill furries. It's the Jedi way.
>the ai debate starts less than 50 posts in
>>98914999it's funny how we can heap praise on fake cardboard but not fake art, eh?
>>98914791Love the Aragorn art choice.
>>98915004On the contrary, both are retarded. Once the AI Bubble finishes popping and people start having to pay for their compute it'll be chicken soup for my soul. People will probably still be generating, but the glazers will hopefully find some other grift to shit themselves over.
How do you tell someone that they're not really getting the spirit of the format?One guy in my playgroup constantly plays combo colorslop (Galazeth, Teval) and it's super annoying to play against because he always wins in the lategame and has tons of counterspells/removal to stop anyone from winning before him.Recently we agreed to do an all monocolor deck night (mostly so he couldn't play colorslop) and he immediately went for Inferno of Star Mounts and just started generating tons of mana by abusing OP cards like picrel and attacking every turn. He didn't see anything wrong with doing a combo to make his commander do 40 damage in one turn when we're supposed to be playing relaxed casual decks.
>>98914999It is the same fucking retard every single time. See how he INSTANTLY transitions his criticism from AI art to proxies? That's his whole goal there, to falseflag proxiers
>>98915026>relaxed casual decksyou mean your green deck slowly going over the top of everyone and then winning?you losing to mono red is all we need to know about your skill level in a children's card game
>>98915027>See how he INSTANTLY transitions his criticism from AI art to proxies?and why shouldn't I? where's the flaw in my logic? they're both fake, as correctly noted by >>98915022
>>98915004There are equal people who hate on changs as there are people who like AI proxies, and the inverse is also true.We don't need to push some idea that they are mutually exclusive.Its not for everyone, nothing is for everyone.
>>98915026>"seven R">not "RRRRRRR"disappointing
>>98915037Absolutely. So please mark your playtesting proxies clearly to ensure they aren't confused with real cards. Also it is best to make them at home or at least use a local service to not support grift by foreign actors.Now keep my post numbers out of your mouth philistine.
>>98915042you can hate chang and hate aiyou can love chang and love aibut you cannot favor one but not the other without being a hypocrite
>>98915022>and people start having to pay for their compute it'll be chicken soup for my soul.Pretty sure a lot of models and software is already paywalled. CivitAI is pay to play, but they used to have a large database of loras and models for people to be able to just make an account and download for themselves for localization and now those are starting to get paywalled. However, you can already find those for free on other sites. as well as software that they want to you pay for. Digital piracy is always going to be a thing that can be worked around, and it has been for decades now, so people who really want to gen for free will find a way to gen for free.
>>98914991>You just want to say its not for cool boy points in your echochamber.It's an anonymous thread, I'm not getting any social points. It's just what I believe.>>98914996>you must pay for overpriced art commissions made by lazy artists and glaze mentally ill furries.Never said that at all. You can find human made art out there for free online to put on a card. Art in magic used to be great, one of the most memorable things in the best sets is the art direction.
Well, I did not get any good data tonight, somehow this deck didn't get any card draw, I gotta stop sorting and resorting the deck, There's no reason a hand of island, orzhov basilica, swamp, sinister sab, fellwar stone, bygone bishop and vela should play out this bad.Still, play a deck you love and even the worst games are fun
>>98915063>You can find human made art out there for free onlineso what's the difference between that and me getting ai art for free since ai had to be trained from human art too? and not every human wants to do art for free while ai will do whatever i tell it do draw
I like proxies because paying absurd amounts to play a card game is dumb and WOTC are cunts. I don't care for AI art because I don't think it looks as good and lacks the soul of human made works. Simple as. Can you really say you'd be fine if they cut out all human made art going forward and AI genned everything?
>>98915050every ai bro here tells you that their work is ai, they aren't ashamed about it eitherif anything its the proxytards that don't want to mark their shit as fake, going as far as getting usea ones
>>98915031No I mean not playing cancer combo turbo that uses cEDH cards to make a billion mana and kill everyone as fast as possible.
>some fat dad brings his 10 year old son to every prerelease >pumps his son with monster>kid is nice, but he starts crying if you beat him>someone on LGS discord asks if they can bring their kid to the prerelease >I reply "just make sure he knows it's just a game for fun and that he doesn't start crying of he loses because it makes everyone uncomfortable">a bunch of people comment that they cry when they lose too as a joke>store owner comments that what I said never happened, all kids are welcome, and in the future let the store owner reply to those comments >now I feel like there will be a target on me if I go back to the store >I just don't enjoy making kids cry and don't want to feel pressured to lose on purpose if I get matched against him.>for the record the kid has cried several times at different prereleases I've been too and his dad keeps him there until 1am sometimes >I just feel bad for the kid I should have just said nothing
>>98915077I like proxies because paying absurd amounts to play a card game is dumb and WOTC are cunts.I like ai art because paying absurd amounts to have commissioned art is dumb and artists are dumb libtards.and relax, mtg is doing fine even with all the fakes, the artists will be fine too
>>98915052I don't think liking ai proxies, that are made to be proxies that are not fooling anyone into thinking it is a real card, and not liking chinese bootlegs that are made to be as close to the real thing as possible and all of this nefarious that can go along with that, is a contradiction or a hypocritical stance.
>>98915087>he didn't follow bracket rules and GCsoofhow's that rule zero helping you huh? lol
>>98915077>Can you really say you'd be fine if they cut out all human made art going forward and AI genned everything?Yes. If I don't like their art, I'll make my own.
>>98915099Are you just as retarded as him? We don't use brackets because the whole spirit of the format is not needing a billion rules to tell you what is and isn't okay to play. It's very easy to understand if something is casual or not.
>>98915076If it's something you can't find that someone has already made I don't really care but it's just not going to look as good. There's no intent behind AI art, no thought to the details, no sense of composition or what is being conveyed. No one thinks about the thousands of pieces of sloppa that are generated per second now but you'll remember the art on cards like Surgical Extraction.
>>98915098>changs that try to fool me is wrong>but ai that's not fooling me is still wrongit's a hypocritical stanceit's like saying>de beers keeps ripping me off and that's wrong>but lab diamonds is still wrong because they weren't made by mother earth
Always proxy cards before buying them
>>98915102Nice, really like the catalogue of jewelry
>>98915102BEEF
>>98915107>the whole spirit of the format is not needing a billion rules to tell you what is and isn't okay to play>proceeds to melt down because this guy cannot read his mind on the intricacies on how edh 'should' be playedand this why he will always beat you
>>98915092No one is holding a gun to your head to make you commission art. Before AI when people made proxies or did stuff for TTRPG campaigns we just searched for art that matched. People make art all the time.
>>98915052False dichotomy.
>>98914820Yes. Well not the art obviously but I put the card together on my own using cardconjurer. I thought about making the text read like something pre-97 too but I figured meh.
>>98915070I love those planes>angelic vs demonicHey get the right printing!
>>98915123True dichotomy.
>>98915115I'd try those. Not for 30 fucking dollars for a random sticks.Just sell me a box of 100 catfish jerky that is golgari flavored
>>98915107>I'm not going to use clearly defined rules to set up expectations you just need to read my mind and intuitively have the same definition of causal as me
>>98915136Retard dich sucker
>>98915110>>changs that try to fool me is wrong>>but ai that's not fooling me is still wrongThat's not what I said.You said you can't hate changs but like AI, which you can.
>>98915140Reminder that the brackets are still in beta
>>98915115>RNG jerky Fucking why? It's like going to a soda machine and only having a single button that gives you a random one.>oh you wanted a root beer? Tough shit have a fanta buy another and you might get it.
>>98915109i remember this ai short far more than any movie made by real people from hollyweird in the last five yearshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAg9iDh9_BQ
>>98915143you can be a hypocrite yes, many of them walk this earth
>>98915147An imperfect system is still better than one that doesn't exist at all.
>>98915147>Reminder that the brackets are still in betagreat, it can only get better from here!
I wouldn't mind gobbo slop anon nearly as much if he at least used an updated model and his gens didn't look like shit. Making horny goblin cards is fine just don't make them so ugly.
>>98915162That's a non-sequitur. .
>>98915172Honestly I like a lot of the ideasI just need to be in charge of them and they would be perfect
>>98915158You haven't proved any logical or moral inconsistency to make me a hypocrite.
>>98915180what does follow is that by you citing logical fallacies by their latin names it marks you as a redditard that doesn't know normal conversation
>>98915179Kys
>>98915179dunning-kruger syndrome
>>98915179Are you literally gay?
>>98915189The fact the brackets are in beta is not related to their quality but rather their rate of adoption, please try to keep up.
>>98915187you never refuted my analogy using diamondsthat's because you believe that mother earth > labfunny how you're an unwitting de beers cocksucker eh?
>>98915199>well actually they're in beta because of their rate of adoption!so why bring it up then? quality has nothing to do with being accepted, many things are underappreciated in the worldsimple, you brought it up because you're a retard who thinks he's slick and is now trying to cover his tracks
>>98915192>>98915193>>98915195If you're going to do something this often you should at least do it well. All his gens look like he hasn't updated his setup in years. The difference in quality between AI gens from 3 years ago and now is massive. Put in even the most minimal amount of effort and it'll look better.
>>98915208>>98915193
>>98915201Not him but lab grown diamonds are indistinguishable from the real thing without jewelers tools. Meanwhile AI art is obvious at a glance. The difference in product quality is massive to the point where the analogy doesn't hold up.
>>98915180>>98915193o algo
Would you retards stop biting the worlds most obvious bait for once in your miserable lives?
>>98915217proxies (honest ones anyways) are also obvious at a glance and yet people cheer for them, curious how that works around here
>>98915206They are not rules, they are suggestions at best, your statement relies on the brackets being the law of the land and they simply are not.
>>98915225Reply to my dromar post if you want to talk mtg
>>98915232>brackets are suggestions are best>but rule zero of MY pod is THE rule of the land!the hilarity of your post is out of this world and so is your mind
>>98915226People cheer for proxies because you can play a deck for 50 bucks that would otherwise cost 2000.
>>98915235It appears you now understand.I accept your concession.
>>98915236and people cheer for ai because you can get wallpaper for your pc, wallpaper for your wall, and goon, and many other things. for free. all without placating a mentally ill artist.
The bracket system is unironically the best thing to ever happen to EDH and bracket 3 is the platonic ideal of casual EDH.
>shuffle a dozen times>dogshit draws>pile shuffle (does nothing)>shuffle 3 times at most>perfect randomization>every timeThe matrix is broken guys, help!
>>98915237i also understand how your friend will keep beating youhave fun losing to mono red retard, better concede before the game even starts!
>>98915239>you can get wallpaper for your pc, wallpaper for your wall, and goon, and many other things. for free. all without placating a mentally ill artist.Anon you could do that already. Just Google images and grab whatever you want, it didn't need to be AI. You've created a false dichotomy in your mind that never existed.
>>98915240i play bracket 3 sweatily and it's in the middle of b2 and b5, with b1 and b4 being memes that don't hold up to scrutinythe real casual experience is bracket 2.
>>98915245>just be at the mercy of what google gives you!if it were that easy godanon wouldn't existso no, i think i'll just gen up something google will never give me, have a nice day :)
>>98915253I hope one day you can grow out of being Indian.
>>98915256us AIBRAHMINS need not fear your boos, we know what you FURRYDALITS cheer for
>>98915247If one takes a sweaty bracket 3 edh deck but removes the infinites and game changers is it truly bracket 2 or only technically? This isn't an attempt at a gacha i actually want to know if it'd be rude to have a second version of a deck to board into for moving from 3 to 2 pods.
Haha get sphered
>>98915119>>98915140>Hurr durr you need to be a mind reader to know the difference between a casual deck and abusing a broken ability that does 20 damage every turn.A number this large doesn't belong on a Magic card, let alone an ability that can blow someone up from nowhere.
>>98915264off the top of my head the games i've faced are>narset enlightened master, as straightforward as it can be>cyber controller aiming to go infinite on t7 with just one cast of the commander>tergrid>ratadabrik combo>henzie living death>winota>kaalia unafraid to ko someone asap with master of cruelties>mono green that's just itching for primetime and emrakul to be GCsi don't know your deck but you be the judge if this is the meta you want to be in
>>98915245>Grab whatever you wantFind me an image of bolas dressed as a maid drinking tea.
>>98915286>A number this large doesn't belong on a Magic card, let alone an ability that can blow someone up from nowhere.>when infinites are everywhere>when oneshot commanders are everywhereyou just suck at the game bro, have some humility and perspective for once
>>98914682You can't. Every creature is a 2 for 1 value, and you won't have enough removal to deal with all the value engines that exist, because WotC decided that qeaponizing against card draw deserves to sit in the GC list, or is outright banned.
>>98915264>>98912480
>>98915242>stack deck 2 lands 2 nonlands>riffle shuffle>mash shuffle>cut>perfect hands every time>somehow this is cheating
>mulligan>shuffle deck 9 times>hand it over to another player to cut>exact same hand>somehow this isn't cheating
>>98915240Do you pay the one for this post?
>>98915298>cEDH exists so I should be allowed to play it in casual games!Your "queen" is already dropping the EDHrec ranks as the tourists leave.
>>98915373shitposting doesn't use the stack
Empower jace is a 10/10 mechanic and I won't hear otherwise
My casual bracket 3 deck is more than 1400 usd and it's not even finished yet
>>98915402Mmm...Beta sol Ring....
>>98915376>he thinks tifa is cedh materialLol
>>98915403Nahh the most expensive print is the commander costing 40-50 or so more than the base version
https://moxfield.com/decks/132y83gzx0KeKsOnj8wiwgHow do I make this vibe of deck but good?
>>98915402My bracket 2 deck is 1300 dollars.Half of that is just my bayou.though
>>98915125re: Aragon legends cardI dont know what the art is from though. but can you post a higher Rez version I want to print one off. without the angle & glare please if you dont mind it is cool and I was wanting to find/make an actual Franchise-accurate Aragorn card>>98915390this has been debunked_______anyone else have experience on mana pool/tcgroomer if sellers ship pre-release cards out before the release date? why the fuck cant you message sellers thats insane (captured market?)
>>98915402same, my lands put it over 1000 just as it is. glad im an adult though where 1000 goybux is not a big deal >>98915414my bayou I just got a week ago only cost 280 (heavy play). why are you using unlimited duals
>>98915410Cut herby
>>98915438but he cute
>>98915115I'm not sure I'd want to try a swamp-inspired beef stick
>>98915524I hope it tastes like booty
>>98915390>One off mechanic that won't ever, and can never return because Jace is fucking dead.I mean, I enjoyed Oil counters from ONE, even though they were just charge counters 2.0, and they'll never return but I would never say it was a 10/10 mechanic.
>>98915115Why are your responding to a girl gobbo with that?
>>98915406Tick tock, UB gaybolasfag. It's only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down for you.
>>98915298Cute commander, too bad you are not allowed to kill anyone with her before turn 6 in bracket 3 teehee
>>98915545gain test
>>98915666that's not true it's bullshit I can hit her I did NAAT violate the NAP
>>98915428>can you post a higher Rez version It has extra border because it's MPC ready but you can always chop it off.
>want to play blue and green>luv me forests, luv me beaches, luv me plants, luv me rain, simple asAre there any commanders and decks in this colour that revolve around a naturefag theme instead of dude blue draw engine?
>>98915298Transcore UBrownoid bait
Okay bro just because retards in this general say that draw engines are cringe doesn't mean you should just refuse to play them in your decks, you're just gimping yourself for no reason other than to 'fit in'
>>98915754prove it
>>98915754I don't want to play "I do x then draw a billion cards ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) :^)" even though I like blue
>>98915759just make playing the game your do thing
Please tell me some kind of giant sea creature deck is somehow bracket 4 or 5, I really want to play giant sea creatures but don't want to gimp myselfI want to combine my Timmy, Johnny and Spike aspects all at once
>>98915759Some deck types just don't have enough support to even do their thing so they need all the draw and tutoring they can get. Want to build Melee or Myriad tribal? Good luck pulling 1/13 creatures with it out of your deck even once during a game without drawing at least half your library.
>>98915240this. it let's you stay in your containment bracket that plays banned cards (GCs) while the rest of us can finally be free of cards wotc is oo pussy to cull
>>98915242I told you guys and you didn't believe me when I did the math
Why are those automatic shuffler machine things bad?
>>98915832>Want to build Melee or Myriad tribal?At least we finally got a commander
>>98915900another fun thing I just realized about kira is if you enter after declare blockers you get unblockable creatures
>>98915242>>98915880>perfect randomizationStop. No seriously; this isn't even a funny joke. Firstly, no one wants "perfect randomization", they say they do, but they don't really understand what that means. A deck "perfectly randomized" can be a stack of 37 lands on top of 62 cards; it's an equally likely outcome to every other possible order. What we want when a deck is shuffled is "sufficiently randomized in an unknown order". Our shuffling methods are unlikely to randomly order our decks into perfect and unplayable stacks by chance, or produce perfectly convenient distributions either; yes, including the mash shuffle diagram presented.That shuffling relies on impossible assumptions; firstly, that when one mash shuffles that cards will interweave perfectly in a 1:1 order, which even if your deck was half lands and half-nonlands would not happen perfectly even if you had master-magician grade card manipulation skills. Doing it repeatedly in the same perfect fashion is even less probable, and likely should not be attempted, as to get the mash shuffle to behave appropriately the shuffling player is generally going to want to cut or reorient piles of their cards. Of course, recognizing true randomness is very difficult for people to do and thus these magic numbers arise.You want to mash shuffle several times not because it redistributes your lands and spells, but because it becomes sufficiently random at that point based on the irregularity of the technique and piles. You also pile shuffle and riffle shuffle a certain number of times for the same reason. If any of these shuffling methods were to result in even distributions of lands and spells, they would be non-random and unsuitable for the goal of randomizing the deck.If you are getting mana screwed or flooded, the problem is your deck, not your shuffle. Adjust your ratio and run more draw so help me god and stop perpetuating these weird superstitions.
>>98915710There's some good land creature support, like Jolrael and Jyoti
Holy fucking AI
>>98915952Homes I was writing shit like this in 2008. You'd better be a practiced editor if you're gonna fuck with my ese/essay.
I bet that faggot doesn't even pet the poogie for mantles
Why the FUCK are UB cards so fucking pushed? If someone puts Worldslayer on this guy it's game over. Why does he have permanent indestructible for just 4 mana?
How do I filter Scryfall so it only shows me real magic, not Universe Beyond shit?
>>98916093You filter by set retard. It's not that hard.
>>98916099>bro just manually filter every set ever released since 1754 when the game came outHow's about there's a button that does it for me
>>98916103Append any search with -is:UB Also need help picking an Izzet commander that doesnt devolve into spellslinger value slop, any suggestions? Anne Bonny and Mary Read at least has a seeming Pirate subtheme which could be neat
>>98916113>izzet>not spellslinger Anontachi I...
>>98916113>Izzet commander that doesnt devolve into spellslinger value slopShark Boy is here to save the day, play any wheel than smack their ass
What are some green decks that don't play lands or creatures?
>>98916083He's White and comes with the downside of giving one of his opponents a slightly worse version of himself
>>98916191I'm sure you could easily put together some infinite mana Pia Ascetic enchantment combo
>>98915445It's funny that they have to make so many cuts and do some very suspicious close-ups. Almost as if the robt can't actually really do what they're showing, and certainly not everything in a single sequence.
>>98916191gollum
>>98914456The most successful I've been with poison has been by surprise with Ziatora. Boosting her to at least nine and attacking and when she's clear give her Tainted Strike for that last additional one power and infect to take out one player, then get her end phase trigger to sacrifice something with ten or more power then copy the trigger with a Strionic Resonator or some other copier to take out the last two players. It's a one out of every couple of games kind of thing, but it's kinda neat when it works.
>>98915827bros, is it possible?
>>98916256Devilish
>>98915827>>98916268Anon-sama... It sadly isn't...
>>98916130I put my 1/1 token in front of your 19/4 shark.
>>98915880>>98915922I always mana weave firstThen I shuffle 4,5,6 times, or as many as you wantI get better draws and I randomized sufficiently, so everyone is happy. So I always mana weave
>>98916353If you mana weave and it meaningfully altered the distribution of your cards, you are stacking your deck.If you mana weave and it didn't meaningfully alter the distribution of your cards, you are wasting everyone's time.We're not going to have an argument about it. There is nothing to discuss.
>>98915922>A deck "perfectly randomized" can be a stack of 37 lands on top of 62 cards; it's an equally likely outcome to every other possible orderAnd also astronomically unlikely compared to the number of outcomes that fall under "a good mix of lands and nonlands".
I stack my deck in front of everyone and when some newfag points this out I remind them this has the same probability as any other configuration of cards.
>>98916401NTA but go from sorted to proper random takes a lot of shuffling, and that's when weaving is needed, but for all card types, it cuts a dozen or more iterations out of the shuffle
How do I build a creative person deck?
Look at these people using fake cards and cheating with pile shuffling gaslighting others that it's a real way to randomize your deck while i riffle shuffle my single sleeved genuine cardboard like a true chad
>paying hundreds or thousands of dollars cardboard printed by Jews of the Coast is good>paying 50 bucks to a guy who gives me the exact same product bad
>>98916477Is the implication that creative people are ugly?
>>98916520Based on how people hate ai here, correct
>>98916512Define "fake cardboard." Of all the whining people do in this game, being mad at other's using proxy cards will always be the most goyslave coded one I have ever seen.
>>98916438>NTA, but I don't have time for that shit, that's why I cheat.
>>98916560>Of all the whining people do in this game, being mad at others using ai will always be the most goyslave coded one I have ever seen.Ftfy
>>98916566I'd have more sympathy if WotC didn't actively push away all their good artists for cheap digital slop "artists" over retarded political reasons. When AI art looks better than most of your actual artists, I don't feel bad at all.
>>98916575>all my b2/b3 decks are genuine>i proxy upcoming cards for those decks with the full intent of replacing them with the real thing, picrel>i use fake cards for cedh, all 100 of them, even if it's cheap shit like talismansthe proxy question became clear to me ever since i started treating anyone dealing with arts and entertainment like the ancient greeks didtheir work is great but they are no different from manual laborers ripe to be replaced by automation, and so i pay them to keep them alive pretty much
>>98916598forget picrel lol
Running m14 slivers in a sliver deck should be punishable by death they are supposed to be little worms ok not weird aliens
>>98916619I always thought the idea was that slivers can evolve into anything that fits their need. The worm is the base type but under the right circumstances they can develop into a more human-like society and develop a culture.I just wished they would've also depicted other sliver hives going into different directions, so it wouldn't look like the human slivers were the only way slivers could evolve.Like gasous slivers or slivers with like 20 heads.
>>98916619the fact that they even thought of changing how slivers looked - because god forbid their design bored their 'artistic' sensibilities, instead of thinking long term on how their iconic design can be used to market the game - was just a precursor to how wotc is basically incompetent in managing their IP and why UB exists in the first place
>>98916649>wotc is basically incompetent in managing their IPThis is true, but I wish they had gotten some people on board that had an actual vision for magic the gathering as an ip so they wouldn't have had to resort to ub. I guess they have chosen their course at this point though.
>>98916208>and comes with the downside of giving one of his opponents a slightly worse version of himselfnot a problem
>>98916083he's meant to be blinked so your opponents keep hitting each other
>>98916083worldslayer is mld so you don't have to worry about it ruining your casual pod
>>98916528Those have nothing to do with each other don't pretend to be retarded
I would like to post about Magic Arena.Do you play Magic Arena? (I have a theory that Commander players and Arena players are basically two different groups, evidenced by how back in the day at the LGS people would open packs and hand away their Arena code-cards like they were worthless)What is your preferred format on the Arena client?Do you think it is worth it to jump back into attempting to play and care about Standard format on the Magic Arena client once the Star Trek set releases? (I'm thinking of maybe putting Arena on the backburner for a moment?)Thank you for reading my post have a blessed day.
>>98916793I like Arena, it's nice to be able to play whenever I feel like it. I only play Historic or Brawl.
>>98916793What if you talked about arena in the arena general instead?
>>98916802I don't believe in splintering Magic discussion into a million different silos. This is the primary Magic thread, so I asked here. If you don't like it, go post some ai-slopa about it.
>>98916793>Post about arena, in a general about a format that is not supported on arenaBruh
I want all the discussion in this thread so we can just rage at each other. if you don't like it, too bad. the mods are not gonna do anything about it, eh?
What's your favorite green card draw engine? I like picrel and Sylvan Library
>>98916649This isn't how that played out at all. The nuSlivers were going to be an entirely new creature type, but everyone was already mechanically comparing them to Slivers in testing, so they just but the bullet and make the text change (which is WAY cheaper than paying artists all over again).
>>98916850>While we knew we were bringing "Slivers" back in Magic 2014, we did not know whether or not they were going to be called Slivers.they wanted Slivers, just not the look of Slivers. Because they got bored of always drawing a pointy single-limbed worm.
This game has a severe lack of homunculus, thrulls, scarecrows, and gargoyles
>>98916881Uh-huh, and have the artists bitched about always having to make a fat nigger or an ugly troon yet?
>>98916889bitching about it in renton wa? only in the safety of their minds, gotta get the bag first and foremost
>>98916886Play ashes
>mfw my boros deck is considered B3 because of boros reckoner and boros charmthis is some sort of bs
>>98916930Yes indeed the system that has not been fully implemented has flawsWelcome to beta testingYour pay is in frustration
>>98916942>he's afraid of infinite lifegain because brackets doesn't mention itkekaroo
>>98916942>>98916953i know about the infinite lifegain combo, but it takes a lot of setup to make it work and it can be easily disrupted.
>>98916956your pod is just a bunch of sheldon cocksuckersinfinite lifegain is the weakest form of infinitebut what's really going on is that you went infinite *too early* in a bracket 2 gamewhich again only proves my point that every casual issue all boils down to *when* someone can pop off
>>98916401Because I want to. I always mana weave all my decks at home before going to the LGS. Then I shuffle 3-4 times before the game, and you're welcome to shuffle more if you want to. Everyone's happy
>>98916968you don't mana weave thenyou're just counting your cards
>>98916969I stack them 1 land 2 non lands
>>98916984>i stack themthen you're cheating>i then shuffle and let my opponents shufflethen your cheating is undone and all you've done is count your cardsyou can still call it weaving, i'm also the king of the world
>>98916993Ok. I still think I get better draws and you still think I don't. Everyone's happy
>>98916956NTA but lifegain in EDH doesnt matter at all, commander damage ruins the possible advantage far too much.I played lifegain in a saandard meta before, because 30+ life turn 3, 60+ turn 5 then 130+ turn 7 eventually makes any opponent concede.but in EDH it's meaningless.>>98916969>it's cheating if I see it>it's fine if I don'tOh okay so we'll put a towel over your head before we start to calm you down just like the dumb dog or horse that gets excited around the vet.
>>98917002the reason you think that is because stacking your deck and only shuffling 3-4 times is insufficient randomization so you're technically cheating and your opponents just don't know it, blissful ignoranceif i was your opponent i'll riffle shuffle your pile 15 times
>>98917014No one is letting an angry asshole handle their deck on demand, much less for the 30 minutes this is going to take with double sleeved cards.You don't play, you just bitch on 4chan.
Starting to think that only half of the anons that post here actually play
>>98916526It's that creativity is conflated in the artists mind with spontaneous imagination
>>98917018>uh oh if it isn't the consequences of my actions!congrats you just met a tournament grinder and i know all the tricks, stay in your basement so you can keep fooling morons and yourself in a children's card game
>>98916886Not to mention the skeletons
it always amazes me that people double/triple sleeve their fake cardboard
Keep sucking, I'm about to cum
>>98917014No one is letting their opponent bend and riffle shuffle their cards one time, let alone 15 times. And no one is buying cheating accusations about someone who lets you mash shuffle to your heart's content like I'm sure you were about to larpSo you better mash shuffle every deck you see 10-14 times (as per Bayer & Diaconis formula) and be known as a weirdo in case you encounter me in the wild
>>98917066>says he mana weaves>ok better pass that pile to me so i can riffle shuffle it>melts downevery. single. time.
>building 5c living weapon heap>so many cute includes that I have to go through the agony of cutting some for othersWotC needs to make Commander a 200-card singleton format and be done with it.
>>98917073Well obviously I'm not saying it to you in this scenario, weird Jerry. I did it as home as I said
>>98917093>I did it at homelike i said, never leave your basement
>>98917095You're not the boss of me. I do leave my nice home and I do play my manaweaved decks. How will you cope with this fact?
What are some good cards I can put in Zurgo if I'm just focusing on Tokens?
>>98917099i will riffle shuffle your deckno, i won't listen to your pleas to just mash shuffle it, riffle shuffling is superior, besides your cards are fake anyway i have no idea why you double sleeve your fake shitso cry more :)
>>98917027>casual format>tournamentThat's gay, you can't compete in standard, modern or legacy/vintage so you're going to "flex" at the casual game with your midwittery.
>>98917078just play a whtz slop pileor make whtz a sphinx's approach deck, churn through your library until you hit a timetwister effect and battle for wits, and win that way with big fat sphinx's as a backup wincon.
>>98917120>he thinks every tournament grinder playing edh 'couldn't make it'not only have i won more prizes than you no sane person will grind this game at 40 as if they were still 20 fucktard, enjoy us 'ruining' your games in our glorious retirement
>>98917116>before you grab my deck, I do not give consent to riffle shuffle my deck. You can mash shuffle as much as you want>the rest of the table looks at you expectantly, wondering why you keep pressing this instead of just playing alreadyNow what?
>>98917135>show youtube videos on why mana weaving is cheating>hey guys you really want this cheater in our pod?you mana weaved without asking for our consent, i will in turn riffle shuffle your pile without your consent.
>>98917130if you're my age and still trying to make shuffling demands then you're a pathetic loser.it's a casual game, the answer to someone you repeatedly think is cheating is not to draconianly enforce your will over their cards, it's to not play with them.You're That Guy.And no, you haven't won shit.
>>98917153>the guy cheating in a children's card game is calling me a pathetic loser
>>98917144>anon, we don't want to see a 30 min video about something this guy didn't mention please let's play already>I still have my hand over my deck, physically impeding you from taking itRemember I never mentioned mana weaving in this interaction. I manaweaved at home and just sit at the tableNow what?
>>98917169oh you didn't mana weave in front of us? thankfully i have 7 sol rings
>>98917158>the guy wrecking kids prized trading cards to be an ass is calling anyone anything derogatoryWait, no, you aren't ruinging cards.You're just fantasizing about it.If you did it to a kid, you'd be banned from the LGS, if you did it to a man you'd have your ass beat.
The back-and-forth in this thread reminds me of this one autist who gave me a hard time because the way I shuffle is too close to a pile shuffle. So I started adding in some overhand shuffles as I coalesce all my piles together.Shuffling 99 card decks is hard, I have clumsy lil' girl hands, and I don't want to damage my cards accidentally when shuffling. I am not trying to be malicious I swear.If a sweaty LGS-goer insisted on shuffling my deck and did a ripple-shuffle I would freak out. I would probably cry, and leave the store.
>>98917182you clearly never played in an fnm much less an rptq, your opponent riffling shuffling your deck is normal practice
>why do you manaweave>"I want a better distribution of cards."You don't need to go further than this to prove it's cheating btw.They're flat out telling you they are not randomizing their deck.
>>98917187Troon, bitch, or actual grill
Everyone who argues below this post is gayer than me
>>98917203I'm a blue player, so I'm already as gay as it gets.
>>98917173I accept your concession
i want deck help! help me sort out the good from the bad! list is here:>>98914968
>>98917209>yeah i cheat in my games>oh fuck there's someone knows how to cheat harder than me?>um... concession accepted...?
>>98917216Have a fun evening, i-must-always-reply anon, aka weird Jerry. Remember I mana weave at home before going to the LGS and you failed to prove you can do anything about it
>>98917229>hey nice game, time for another one?>hey why are you mana weavingeven assuming i will play fair your actions will reveal your true intentionsand cheating in this game is so easy with a lot of things going on you can get away with an extra draw or two which will do you more good than any mana weaving
>he weaves>He just doesn't just lap a few lands and his win con and just plays them when it's most believable People are always looking at their phones, its so easy
>>98917113>slopiverses beyond
>>98917113The Master, Multiplied. Bit expensive in terms of CMC but makes all temp tokens permanent
>>98917189You couldn't possibly say anything that more obviously highlights your armchair secondary statuds.anyone can find a youtube of competitive events and see that is wrong
>>98917241>another game indeed weird Jerry, I will play my other deckRemember I weaved ALL of them at homeStill failed to catch me lol
>>98917203Lotta faggots so far, 'non. Could start a pretty good fire with'em at least
>>98917285cool, i will now play my other deck with 7 sol ringsno i didn't need to know you mana weaved, i just felt like cheating everyone that moment :)
>>98917283mtg REL games permit riffle shuffling your opponent's deck, scrubyes i will take care of your cards, as carefully as plausible deniability will allow anyway hahaha
Well, I keep bashing my head against this living weapons deck. Prolly gonna be a few weeks of tweaking to get it right. Ignore the Karn jpeg overlay and the new kitten who was curious about the cards.There's just not enough slots for everything I'd like to include. As 5-color slop there are a LOT of different avenues the deck can go. It has a small flicker package/subtheme, since the "For Mirrodin" equips make 2/2s and the manifest dread/cloak equips can put big creatures facedown. Not to mention your commander is a potential draw 5 just sitting there in the command zone.I love how multifaceted a lot of cards are in the deck. Ronin, Shadow Stalker and Dalkos are both 3-mana ramp dorks. But the former is also removal when needed, and the latter is the strongest evasion piece in the entire deck for when you want to get aggressive. A lot of your big flashy guys are also human, meaning Winota is randomly explosive. All the living weapon tokens are non-human and therefore trigger her on attack.At the bottom is a small maybeboard, but everything is really tangential/preference. I DO have a Springleaf Parade and Nahiri, Forged in Fury waiting at the LGS for me. And I'd appreciate any advice on cuts for those two at least. The deck's already extremely cluttered and greedy cramming synergistic cards I like, but it's fun as fuck to build.
>>98917189Ive played modern for years up to PT's and RC's and this is jot true. If anyone riffled an opps deck you can and I have seen judges called. Ive seen a retard accidently bend an opps card trying to read it and he was forced to pay market damage so guy could replace it off the floor to actually keep playing or have to leave the hall for damaging someones property.
>>98917320while it's true that anyone can call a judge to shuffle that is a waste of their time and clearly you live in a pussy state as i've riffle shuffled other player's decks without issue, that's what double sleeves are for
rate my deckhttps://edhcheck.com/decks/mw0w7b7oruptyn/edit
>>98917295I praetor's grasp you, and inform everyone of your 7 sol rings. I accept your concession. If you didn't consent to resolving praetor's grasp, I accept your concession too.This could happen because you have 7 sol rings right there. The opposite won't because you can't prove I'm weaving.Sucks to be you lol
>>98917337but i went first and so i praetor's grasped you, nice mana weave you have there now shuffle normally faggot hahaha
>get a friend into commander>"let's just stick to cheap decks and proxies. 50 $ for a deck tops">he gets REALLY into commander>he's spending 200+ $ a week on the game nowI'm so sorry...
>>98917330Deck not availableThis deck is private or no longer exists.
>>98917346>yet another proxytard who didn't know he was free advertising that's why wotc turns a blind eye to them
>>98917265Thanks senpai
>>98917330i only see a pile of shit deck with no clear way of how to winyour deck either want to win with Mechanized Production with will never happen because as soon as you have near eight tokens, people will gangbang youYou also want to kill/control permanents with Kellan/Memnarch and the liquitorque artifacts, but without infinite mana, you will never archieve that.2/10 deck
>>98917328Id sue for damages.I know a lawyer who plays this game he'd love this case.
>>98917352my bad, i set it to public some minutes ago>>98917364>2/10 deck :(
>>98917309Nawww, they're adorable! By the way, have you seen Ekthi yet?
>>98915225Your post filled with me inspiration. Wonder if I can convince anyone at the lgs next week to let me run this in the rule 0.
>>98917367obvious larp as mash shuffling ruins sleeves more than any other shuffle and they have value so therefore they are also le bad in REL games? lmao
>>98917343As I said, I shuffled 5 times after the weave. Tell the table how you're proving I weaved
>>98917373Holy moly
>>98917376>look at your deck>in my searching i *just so happen* to have put all your lands on the top half and all your nonlands on the bottom half>it's fine, you're gonna shuffle properly anyway riiiiight? :)you are so angry that someone knows to cheat better than you it's hilarious
>>98917370Yeah. I've gotten recommended her before, but as I've said in previous threads she's a totally different sort of game plan. And moreover she's overshadowed by Sokka and Suki.
>>98917330there are better simic commanders out there.why Kellan? how does he helps you with your plan to win?
>>98917375Were talking about riffle shuffling the cards and bending them?I churn through sleevs idc about that those shits get nasty fast.
>>98917309No advice but sweet deck anon
>>98917411parts of a riffle shuffle to those at the back:1. the grip2. the split3. the riffle4. the cascade finishprotip: the cascade finish is completely unnecessary and i just mash them together after the riffle, every horror story about riffle shuffles damaging cards all stem from the 4th step
>>98917373Kys x 10
>>98917373godspeed and kaioken x 100
>>98917383Damn weird Jerry you win. You just had to hold everyone to watch your 30 min videos, bend every deck in your vicinity to riffle shuffle, and spend another 20 min to resolve a praetor's grasp, plus the time I need now to shuffle 12 times because you put my deck in a weird order (which I will very much use to accuse you of foul intentions). Remember you have to do this every time because you don't know who might have or have not weaved at home. All very normal and sane behavior, which is sure to have locals flocking to you for games.All that after the hour long videos of Gavin of course. It's quite entertaining leading your delulu ramblinga around tifa anon ;)
>>98917373Neat alternate bombardment
>>98917418Thanks, genuinely no idea if it'll work. I somehow feel like 21 living weapon effects is insufficient. All the synergy pieces surrounding them are too cute to pass up on, though. It's been giving me huge choice paralysis. Issues I foresee with the deck in its current incarnation>minimal evasion for a go-wide strategy>no board wipes besides cyc rift>slow starts with little recourse for explosive elfball/any-variety-of-snowball strategies>incidental life loss off greedy mana base with minimal life gain (likely need to slot in Shadowspear and/or Batterskull)
>>98917384Ah, okay
>>98917451reminder that you're not allowed to look at your own library after i praetor's grasped you so you'll never know i stacked your deck, so tough luck all that mana weaving you did at home got wasted. thankfully sane people don't bother wasting mana weaving at home when there are better ways to cheat! hahaalso not only you have completely lost against someone better at cheating than you you've also confused me with another anon, amazing work schizo
>>98917373Mechanically this card is fine, but no you can't use it. Come back when you grow up.
>>98917477>reminder that you're not allowed to look at your own library after i praetor's grasped you so you'll never know i stacked your deckisn't that obvious? >sac fetchland>search my library>check my cardsnow what, anon?
>>98917509a complete separation of lands and nonlands is statistically just as likely as another other configuartion anon, it's not like it's impossible, what are you going to do about it?and i love that you now diverted to fetchlands, can't wait for you to turn 1 fetch and ruin your own manaweave!
>>98917203Faggolicious!
>>98917517>whoops anon I dropped my library after you grasped haha silly me>wait why is my library so weird? weird Jerry did you do something? after you made us watch that 30 min video?>uh it's just...uh...statestica...tically...likely uhHow do you think people will react?
>>98917557>praetor's grasp specifically tells you that you shuffle so you don't get cheated>you don't because you're a pussy that can't shuffle properly in a children's card game>be surprised your deck is stackedfool, the pod will be laughing with me on this, you get what you deserve haha
>>98917309>flicker deck>no displacer kitten
had some players tell me i can't kill a single player before turn 8.
>>98917596demonstrably unenforceable, a lot of boomers sadly in the commander panel right nowcommander damage and infect is fair game
I can't wait to be a Klingon this Friday.
>>98917592It's not a flicker deck so much as it benefits from mass flicker effects. Displacer Kitten creates bleak play patterns, and I don't want to run a gay combo deck, which Displacer Kitten invariably makes this into since a draw 5 etb lives in your command zone.
>>98917300The owners declaration not to always supercedes.If you'd ever attended an event you would know this.
>>98917643i said riffle shuffling is permitted, not enforcedif you want the judge to shuffle on my behalf sure go waste his time, but don't be surprised if he decides to shuffle in a way you don't like
>>98917309>living weapons deck>not one living weaponYeah, okay there bud.
>>98917651As other anon already informed, you'll be paying for the deck on the spot
>>98917661good luck proving damages, especially since i don't do the cascade finish
>>98917653The Tangleweave Armor is a living weapon, but I digress. It's more otag:living-weapon in the Scryfall sense. Living weapon is just a good shorthand for the mechanic over "equipment that makes a creature token on enter and auto-equips."
I'm just going to accuse anyone with Sol Ring Signet start of cheating.
>>98917662Don't need to prove anything, the precedent is set.Much like 100% full face alters have been approved by that top level tourney guy who ran a swan song with painted name, cost and image.it could have been a basic land and there's no way to tell, but it's now a tourney legal level of alteration.
>>98917709mtr 3.3 states that the head judge is the final authority and good luck proving that all of them think alike regarding full face altersand yes you do need to prove damages that i damaged your double sleeved 60 card in a riffle that didn't even do the cascade finish, nice larp being a litigious nuisance
>>98917309Alright, after some goldfishing this deck feels pretty solid for what it's doing. Definitely feels like you can flood/brick on living weapons though which is frustrating.
>>98917665Okay I play land, sol ring, talisman, elf.
>>98917723NTA but if you are asked to not by an opponent and you still do you're just an absolute faggot
>>98917803my opponent cannot force me to shuffle in a specific wayso yeah it's either you let me riffle your deck (i will be careful retard look at my own riffled deck i riffled that fucker right in your face and it's fine) or call a judge and have them shuffle your deck on my behalf, tough luck kiddo
Stop larping, none of you faggots play tournaments and everyone shuffles their own decks at the kitchen table.
>>98917596Well it's retarded but technically true for bracket 2. So they are allowed to complain
>>98917875>technically truenot even, gavin himself says infect is fine 'because the deck won't work otherwise and we want decks to work so we can sell more cards"https://m.twitch.tv/videos/2597691530?t=00h54m28s
>>98917883Not sure how saying he's not upping infect to 20 or removing commander damage invalidates the bracket guidelinesDoes he say that specifically later on?
>>98916930Boros Reckoner plus [Indestructible] is not a true 2 card infinite because you need 1 or 2 other cards giving the Reckoner Lifelink + Damage in order to make infinite life (which is one of the worst results of an infinite btw)
>>98917852And the judge won't riffle.If the judge also gets pissed off because your refusal to not riffle someone else's cards keeps taking their time, you could easily get kicked from the eventAnyway this is all hypothetical because you're an online armchair secondary who has never been to an event, all you've got is your document, not experience.
>>98917904limiting infect and commander damage to later turns dramatically affects the deck and makes one even think why would even bother instead of just comboing off and killing everyone insteadand you can't exactly tell certain commanders like green tifa or skittles to do their damage 'piecemeal', many of them are all or nothing
>>98917915i don't care if the judge riffles or not, point is you can't make me shuffle the way you want me to, tough luckalso you called the judge and blame me for wasting their time? absolute infantile behavior
you just know people crying over commander damage are retards when judges back in 1996 were summoning bolas turn 4 using sol rings and moxen and lotus (they were legal back then) and killing some shmuck turn 7
>>98917920>hey man can you be careful with my cards?>no I will not respect your propertyLiteral nigger behaviour
>>98917950>hey man can you not counterfeit my shit>no i will not respect your intellectual propertybwahahahayour immediate assumption that i don't know to handle cardboard is an immediate redflag, might even be an admission of your own stubby fingersagain, prove damages or stfu
>>98917959
>>98917965
You can shuffle all you want. The moment you mention mana weaving I know you're trying to catch me lacking so you can skirt by.
>>98917916That's, like, your opinion, based on several jumps and inference from Gavin's words. Which is correct, but directly contradicts the bracket guidelines. Idk anon try showing those guys the video, good luck
>>98917983>gavin is right>but brackets contradict him so long as i look at it literally without any nuance or any consideration of practical concerns>so yeah i won't use my common sense because i can't think for myself that a casual format by its very nature should also someone to gimp someone for laughsi've been on the receiving end of an early ko only to see the voltron player lose anyway because he was 2v1'd so many times it's funny how there's still all this anger to ban a tier 2 strategy lmao
We break rules and don't pay scalper prices for Commander Decks in this house.
>>98917998I don't know what do you want me to tell you man. You convinced me, but you heard anon's story, you need to convince those guys that a certain rule can't be taken literally like other rules because of nuance. Good luck
>>98917998I don't get voltron in multiplayer, it's a 1v1 play.Also commander damage has no place in 1v1.But 1v1 is better off played as brawl instead.
>>98918047>people aren't allowed to lose before turn 9 in b2>ok i concede turn 1, i lose>brackets immediately implodethere's little nuance needed, it's more childish retardation really
>>98918050>I don't get voltron in multiplayer, it's a 1v1 playpeople just like swinging with a really strong creature because your commander is kind of like your avatar/self-insert
>>98918063Sure buddy, tell them that
>>98918029this is the way. pirate everything wotc does because they are a shit company that keeps making product too limited waa waa
>>98917613Friday? The set is coming already?
>>98918110prerelease is this week
>mono red sucks in casual>you know what we should do? we should ban burn and krenko killing people before turn 9
>>98918135let the simic player amass his 18 mana and 12 cards in hand, piggy
>>98918135casual commander and brackets especially are tailored to simic, yes, wotc knows and wants this to prevent feelsbad and have more of a party game like bang or munchkin
>>98918072See this is why EDH called it "General". In any MtG format you are a Planeswalker, the Libraey is your book, scroll, slate, whatever of spells.The EDH General is your second-in-command of your forces.
>>98918172>In any MtG format you are a PlaneswalkerSo resolving this ties the game?
>>98918164>have more of a party game>while banning removal, counterspells, commander damage, or anything really that can stymie your plansi've had women (yes real women) killme with amy rose + colossus hammer and no one in the pod batted an eye, but then again we weren't infected by sheldon's retardationgavin's admission only proves even wotc doesn't want to stymied to always balance cards so that can't kill players on their own no matter how telegraphed they are
>>98918195I'm sorry I'm esl and I don't quite understand you, but I'm not misoginistic
>>98918216>killing a wahmen's commander is misogyny nowlol
>>98918029>>98918087You types deserve ZERO fun
>>98918183Yes. Planeswalker cards are a mistake.Ignore the elspeth in my anax/cymede soldiers deck
>>98917613have we seen the worf list yet?
>>98918050Oh, nvm.brawl is standard rotation and the other format called brawl is just a 1:1 exact copy of EDH? Fucking weird.60 card eternal singleton 1v1 with a commander just screams "voltron and infect go here, thank you"
>>98918110>hyping for new set releaseDon't you belong in the Standard format general?
>>98918488I think you took my question and tried to derive more meaning from it than there was. I just didn't know when the set was coming out. I expected later in the month near the end of November.
Graveyard decks, what are some of your favorite ways to protect your 'yard?
>>98918512I for one like counterspell. It gets the job done.
anyone remember tiny leaders?
>>98918512Protecting my yard isn't a huge priority for me because I do one thing to instantly fill it up again
>>98918029Anon that's illegal
>>98918684You wouldn't download a car?
>>98917981elaborate pls
>>98918738i'd generate ai art
>>98918866Awful art
>>98918874Provide a better one.
>>98918877No?
>>98916526the implication is "green is not a creative color"
>Found out there will be humans in the Nauctis setGross
>>98918866Wouldn't be a common in any limited set but nice art.
>>98917309this is a kino deck and a kino cat I wanted to build the same thing but I don't have the money for 5C
>>98918943Believe it or not it's actually black that's the uncreative color
>>98918950I decided to give them all the same set symbol, so they all are "common", since it's not like you can actually draft these.But thanks for reassuring me on the art.
>>98918944prove it
>>98919008Gresn is NOT a creative color only child baby brains think green is anything else
>>98919056I got it from Reddit
>>98919061>reanimation (raise dead)>kill destroy (terror)>discard (mind twist)>saccing creatures for value (sacrifice)>pay X life get Y effect (lich)Unlike other colors Black has been doing the exact same thing since 1993
>>98919083>tokens>overrun>rampWhat other green thing do you want to add?
>>98919095I dont remember green having land ramp, fight/bite spells, and draw back in 1993
There's no color identity for WBG that couldn't just be BG
>>98915700thats ultra dope thanks dude. when you printed it did you do it as foil? do the proxy on demand printers like printing proxies allow you to add the foil swish? I guess I would just do it non foil if not>>98916093well lord of the rings and the hobbit and DND all inspired magic and things like Final Fantasy have similar influences (just with a slight Japanese twist) so its like a spiritual cousin. so you can consider all those effectively as "universe within". or extended MTG universe! hope this helps>>98916130>color combo without white or greennah I prefer playing the cards in my deck, so I'll play color combos with land ramp. Maybe when they stop making the blue-balled red rampant growth actually red will start to be playable in commander >>98917241or keeping an 8 draw hand. or not discarding down to 7. dont do gay shit like cheating though>>98918656I need to replay FF VI (pic rel)
edictdorkbros we eatin good they released 2 in the last 2 sets
Did a draft tonight at a buddies house instead of going to play commander at the lgs. I managed to win the whole thing and it was a lore more fun than I remember it being especially with a set this lackluster. Though, empower jace was a lot more powerful than I gave it credit for, at least in limited.Anyway. managed to draft all these of these bitches with 2 copies of both the saheelis and god damn. Value city. Think I found my new commander project.Thanks for reading my blog.
>>98919184cutepost
>>98919083That's because all the good B cards get banned because of casuals.Btw, I'm trying to find an Instant or Sorcery that can end games, and outside of X spells, literally nothing exists.
>>98919212doppelgangfinal partingapproach of the second sun
>>98919248>DoppelgangX spell>Final PartingThis is a tutor, not a game winning spell>Approach of the Second SunFunny how Green and White have the most Win condition strategies in Bracket 1-3.
>>98919269if your deck can't win after casting final parting I don't know what to say
>>98919033Think of pauper bro!
>>98919272You didn't answer the question. I asked for an Instant or Sorcery that isn't an X spell that can realistically win the game, not a card that fetches another card.
I feel like I should make these style of slop proxies>>98919275It most importantly fetches /two/ other cards.
>>98919279>I feel like I should make these style of slop proxiesDo you will think it will be fun?If yes, then have at it. Post results.
>>98919279And it still doesn't meet the prerequisites in place. I didn't ask for, "What's a strong card?" I asked, very specifically,>What Instant or Sorcery that can end games?Final Parting does not do this. What you find with it probably can. WHAT ARE YOU FINDING WITH IT?
>>98919282the real fun is when (you) respond to my posts, thanks anon!
>>98919275Any black spell with proliferate is a game ender.
>>98919318>>98919318>>98919318New New New
>>98919275I
>>98919309>Must run Poison>>98919324>Does nothing on an empty board or a board with only a few creatures>8 manaSome of you are hilariously stuck in 2015 Commander.
>>98919345Million mana, do the thing, is EDH.>>98919320Didn't ask.
