>>98920104
Honestly, I get this viewpoint and in fact feel it myself.
Maybe this sentiment will go away considering what he’s planning to do in the future, but whatever.

I use WoD, COfD, Curseborne, and fan splats at the same time because I’m a fucking psychopath

>>98920120
>A Cappadocian, a Burakumin, and a Gaki walk into a bar...

>>98920125
Yeah, I pull that shit

>>98920098
Can a kinfolk virtual adept get a dommy mommy glasswalker?

>>98920188
Sorry, we only have spiders left.

>>98920188
Sorry sweetie, your cool magical powers aren't in DA LITANY so you're our enemy now :)

>>98920112
I'm just hoping that the Brock in the Umbra episode will be good at least. Other than that, I'm only really looking forward to Norfolk Wizard Game.

>>98920188
yeah Ascensions Right Hand says that "Certain Garou" are occasionally help them out as consors, but they don't get cat girls in exchange

>>98920230
that's iteration X not virtual adepts. for a very funny reason: the virtual adepts are too ignorant of spirits to even court weaver spirits

they even took a rote that was meant to summon a pattern spider removed the spirit part out of it and turned it into a spell that creates a new pattern that follows premade orders before ceasing to exist and they did not do that because they fear weaver corruption no most virtual adepts just don't think spirits are real and think that the sphere should be folded into forces and that the only reason it's not is because of politics

I was reading Dark Ages Fae. Yeah they seem strong except...These Echoes can totally fuck them no? Like they can just gain new echoes and you can only have so many oaths.

>>98920313
>that's iteration X
Only if we're talking about pattern spiders. No respectable iterator would associate with, Computer forgive me, biospiders.

Hunter the PArenting fan here, just found out the Void Engineers have literal space marines. Any chance of one of them appearing in the series, only to behave like a Spartan to fuck with TTS fans?

>>98920424
More likely to turn up in the wizard game. H:tP looks like they settled on vamps, garou and eventually m*lklings and demons as their rogues gallery.

>>98920424
With Norfolk Wizard Game running at the same time, I think it's unlikely that we'll see Mage stuff in HtP and NWG will just serve as the Mage containment zone. This isn't to say that there will be zero mage stuff in HtP, just that mages will never become a significant focal point of HtP.

>>98920424
in general you won't find anyone in the technocratic union that acts akin to anything in warhammer's imperium of man. these guys are all about "enlightened science"

>>98920445
Though the "kill everything that isn't both 100% human and aligned with us" approach is pretty similar.

>>98920445
There's nothing stopping anyone from playing a Void Engineer jarhead as a jingoistic maniac who rants and raves about human supremacy, the manifest destiny of mankind to conquer the cosmos and the innate inferiority of filthy deviant lifeforms.

>>98920465
>>98920471
the ignorance and superstition still wouldn't be accepted

>>98920475
Of course it's not going to be a perfect one-to-one translation, there's not going to be any rambling about machine spirits or a god-emperor, but the core identity of space marines as humanity-first supersoldiers crusading across the stars can absolutely be used for a Void Engineer character.

>>98920482
yeah but if you reduce it to that point there is not difference between spartan and space marine (especially early halo) and the question was if they would be more one or the other

and pseudo tacti cool high tech supersoldier is more the technocrat lane

>>98920335
i also found this to be a big issue. It's one thing to have echoes, but there's no limit to the amount of echoes you can get.

>>98920471
Spartans are silent and professional though

>>98920120
My ST largely does too, though I think he's really only taken liminalities from Curseborne.

>>98920484
Spartans aren't renowned for pro-humanity rhetoric or jingoism, in terms of personality they're mostly just standard soldiers. You can play a Void Engineer that way, but you can also play a Void Engineer who just won't stop bellowing about humanity's destiny to conquer the universe and rid it of all lesser lifeforms, a personality kind of common in 40K's space marines and kind of absent in Spartans.

>>98920125
Did Curseborne even make it into the joke? I forget their factions

>>98920335
>>98920501
no idea what the other anons last thread been on yes true fae are powerful but they are glass canons in several ways you guys already mentioned the echos but a lot of them would also just become celerity/rage/divine celerity prayer victims so i wouldn't call them the apex predators of the setting

anons also been so focused on the compact they had with mages against the tremere that they completely ignored that the garou kicked them out of reality for a time

>>98920510
gaki are a hungry family who eat ghosts and are into necromancy. they run a "protection service" where they turn your familly into ghosts and don't eat them as long as you pay and one of their subfactions are just the giovanni (incest familly, mafia etc)

>>98919795
It's a matter of preference.

Early 1e Lost treats the Gentry as borderline gods who can't be fought and can't be stopped, with freeholds standing no chance of actually stopping any of the True Fae who want to come and collect their changeling charges. The Summer Court is treated as borderline delusional for even thinking that fighting back is possible. Freeholds are just inconsequential nests of rats that could be crushed if any of the True Fae ever decided to work together to rid themselves of them once and for all, and it's only the alien, storybook mindset of the Gentry that prevents this from happening all that often.
Late 1e and 2e Lost significantly empower the changelings, actually set in stone how the Gentry work and how they can be fought, and give freeholds the means that they need to fight back against them. A united freehold rallied behind the Summer Court in the heat of summer is almost certainly going to defeat a True Fae's title in battle and while there might be casualties, victory against the Gentry is no longer a pipe dream. Freeholds have a strong understanding of how the True Fae work and can use their rigid storybook mindsets against them, and every court has a distinct advantage over them during their respective season. They're not even necessarily BBEG material, a chronicle could easily involve a motley slaughtering a dozen different Titles of varying strength, as long as they're smart about it.

Does anyone think that a lot of the CofD companion books introduce like, way too many mechanics that are otherwise not going to see any use? Lost is guilty as sin of this

>>98920538
It works for Lost because the exploitation of loopholes and overlooked rules is thematic and players should be rewarded for taking advantage of a forgotten mechanic.

>>98920538
i can see your point, but isn't that the perfect place for niche mechanics that you may or may need once in a blue moon?

>>98920562
may or may not

>>98920529
Huh, for a second I thought you were talking about the extremely niche WoD vampire.

>>98920612
i mean you can replicate that one to one using a nagaraja (or someone else who has their necromancy) and i am pretty sure there are a bloodline like that in vtr too

curseborne hungry famillies aren't really anything too out there the ventrue rip off being south american heart eaters is as novel as it goes really

>>98920112
It feels more like a comedy imo, so I can kind of ignore D being a massive fuck up who talks a big game.

>>98920188
You're going to get an abusive Italian cheating on his wife and that's final

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Can glabro vary from hairy guy to basically smaller crinos?

>>98920713
Going glabro from homid typically involves gaining six to twelve inches in height, doubling to tripling body weight with most of that being muscle mass, becoming significantly more hirsute with sharper fangs and nails with a hunched posture and a sloped brow ridge. Garou in glabro obviously stand out as abnormally large, hairy and scary, to the point where they suffer social penalties, but they don't yet reach the point where people might accuse them of being werewolves or go all Delirious at the sight of them.
The exception to this is Garou with Fair Glabro, who just get the height and the mass modifiers without any of the other freakish, abnormal features of going glabro, at least not to the degree where people might be put off by them.

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>>98920713
>>98920740
NTA but question: what is the purpose of glabro and hispo? Glabro for when you want to fuck someone up only slightly/without causing Delirium but you still don't mind appearing obviously supernatural/require a buff AND tool use?
Hispo for... running from Pentex death squads? I mean an obviously supernatural huge dire wolf is boud to turn attention over a mundane wolf right? I'm failing to see why the in-between forms are required outside of homid/lupus/crinos.

Didn't vote because both parties are ghouls paid by Pentex.

Paradox just announced they have an alpha 2.0 of VtM coming on the 9th. Unless they have rebuilt it from the ground up I don't see it fixing enough.

>>98921001
i am still going to read it, but unless it's a huge improvement i am probably not going to force my players to play it again

>Tzimisce who only ghouls non-whites and then turns them white

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>>98920098
>CAUSALITY!!!

>>98920978
Both forms give you a bit of plausible deniability while still giving you a physical edge. They can be better for stealthy and hit and run violence. Galbro means you can still use tools and fit into human society at a distance. Hispo is the best form for long distance travel or chasing things down. Arguably Hispo is a better form to fight in if you lack weapons. If you are spotted in poor visibility conditions you might not immediately be obviously a supernatural creature for both forms.

They also fill out how werewolves are sometimes presented in culture and folklore. The wolfish man and the monstrous wolf.

>>98921019
there was a methuselah that turned so many people albino that it created a revenant familly

>>98920125
Don’t forget the Grande Zombie!

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>>98921019
>>98921041
>Make up some bullshit scenario about Tzimisce
>It's actually true
I swear, Tziggers have to be the most "lol so random" group out there

>>98921081
malkavians tried but actual insanity and a hivemind just weren't a match for (maybe) space aids and slavs

Can Tzims enslave demons in V6 with gypsy magic (I know it's called Tellurgy, but it's just gypsy magic), like they did with Kraina of the Well?

>>98920978
>Glabro
Combat form that doesn't break the Masquerade (no, it isn't obviously supernatural unless you visibly transform in front of other people, just obviously abnormal in a way that people will remember) and that allows for tool use and weapon use, as most tools and weapons require the Rite of Dedication in order to be usable in crinos.
>Hispo
Travel form and bite-based combat form that doesn't break the Masquerade, since most people aren't going to react with "that giant animal is clearly an impossibly large wolf, it cannot possibly be natural and I must automatically assume that it's a werewolf." Unless they see it clearly in good light, people are most likely just going to assume that it's a bear, big cat or some other big local predator.

Due to how Delirium works, crinos causes absolute chaos whenever it's seen which can cause way more problems than a random bear sighting on the outskirts of a factory or reports of some big hairy bastard breaking into a lab. Well-informed hunters or Pentex might realise what glabro and hispo sightings really are, but public Delirium events incited by crinos are going to cause way more trouble than that and almost certainly attract Pentex's attention, even if they weren't involved in the first place.

>>98921188
tzimisce weren't in the v6 playtest yet so that they have to chose between two disciplines called Vicissitude or Tellurgy is all we know: we don't even know what powers either of these disciplines in v6 have yet, we don't know their weakness, we don't know their clan traits (if those don't get the boot in the next playtest) nothing

and we also don't even know if real Demons are going to be a thing in v6 yet given in v5 they are not really there are just some blood spirits inherent to the curse of caine

Which Garou tribe gives the best cuddles? With vampires it's clearly Gangrel, but all werewolves look cuddly and like they would enjoy headpats.

>>98921210
get of fenris when you're weak but someone they want to protecc
red talons when they are racist but have unbearable feelings for you

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>>98920125
And meet the Sangiovanni meeting for them.
>Fug, I love Requiem 1st Edition.

>>98921235
I’d argue Silver Claws/Ivory Claws if you pass the purity tests and are not too inbred.

>>98921210
Glass walkers and Silver fangs are probably the most well groomed

...yes this is important to me when it comes to cuddles

>>98921210
>Black Furies
Cuddles are only allowed if you prove your allyship to women everywhere, and you must be the little spoon.
>Bone Gnawers
Freely given, but stinky and a bit sticky.
>Children of Gaia
You've got to join the polycule's group hug, but they might give you a free hit of the polycule bong.
>Fianna
Give one a few six-packs and you'll get boozy drunken Irish cuddles all night long.
>Get of Fenris
Prove your worth and your strength. Only the strongest deserve to hold and be held by Gaia's mightiest warriors.
>Glass Walkers
Demonstrate your technical knowledge in a hackathon or something and they might give you a chance.
>Red Talons
Go into the wilderness and kill yourself. Once carrion have eaten your guts, they might cuddle up in the resulting cavity.
>Shadow Lords
Swear your undying fealty and give them collateral with which they can ensure your loyalty, and you might get pity cuddles.
>Silent Striders
You've got a long-term unwashed cuddle partner as long as you agree to keep them company throughout their journey.
>Silver Claws
The fluffiest pelt, but you've got to prove your pedigree and that you have blood worthy of touching the white fluff.
>Uktena
Give them a magical artifact in exchange for a night of spooky shadow cuddles.
>Wendigo
Only if you prove indigenous American heritage. Whites get the Red Talon treatment.

>>98920978
Glabro is for guns
Hispo is for lupus. Bro come on this guy has been a dumb dog his entire life and now you are giving him a form with opposable thumbs ? He doesnt even know how arms work.

>>98920698
He feels more like a guy who's not really put in a situation where he's able to fight at his best.

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That magical girl anon guy here.

People have been wondering a bit (at least in the last thread) about where I've gone and whether I've stopped writing the story. The answer is that I haven't gone anywhere; I've just been having trouble coming up with shit.

Basically, the part I'm stuck on is that there are two Nephandi present. While one is fighting a Hermetic, the other is trying to convince the MC (soon-to-be magical girl) to join them.

>>98921494
Y no PTH?

>>98921503
Because the story is based on a character in a Mage game my table is running

>>98920507
I take the Accursed as well.
Adversity, Georgia is their turf.

>>98921508
O

>>98921513
Yeah sorry

>>98921494
But wouldn't the magical girl's avatar get twisted and inverted, turning her into hag?

>>98921520
Okey

>>98921528
The magical girl isnt going to get cauled because they Awaken and basically love-love-beam the Nephandi to death like theyre cartoon villains

Who the fuck is Szerepjatekosok.hu what is it doing to ST Vault? Half of oWoD stuff is by this bozo regurgitating shit everywhere. Is this the rpg equivalent of shovelware? Anyone read or has this shit?

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Im late on my promise but I transcribed the Bastet Gifts for the weremoth document. >>98921610 >>98921613 >>98921620 >>98921625

I really liked the name Tineana so I used that as their tribe name.

>>98920098
Yeah

>>98921655
Cool

>>98920740
Isn't glabro height a merit and not the standard?

>>98921737
Glabro are always taller than their homid forms, it comes by default with being the midway point between homid and crinos. But there's also a 4 point merit that makes you fucking huge in general, letting you take an extra level of bruised injury, so maybe you're thinking of that?

>>98921648
I have no idea what you're talking about, but this sounds like it could be pretty funny. Like the Lord Luna guy who tried to put his absurd OC on the wiki.

>>98921737
Gaining height by going glabro is standard in basically every edition if you read the description of glabro.

>>98921648
It's a Hungarian group finder website. No idea what they have to do with STV, what kind of stuff are they uploading? Is it in Hungarian?

>>98921754
>>98921790
This group posts in english, but the sheer scale of what they publish is ridiculous
https://www.storytellersvault.com/en/product/573747/mage-the-ascension-horoscope
Here is one link, from that you can view what they have published

I wanna do a thing where I have the players pursue a ghoul through the "infrastructure" of vampire society. Like blood dolls, ghoul personal retainers, maybe one of those courier services they sometimes mention, mortal security, and people managing property used by the vampires, etc.
But at what extent does it become a problem for verisimilitude? Like at what point is the sheer scale of infrastructure a problem.
Even assuming fairly small numbers of people directly in contact with vampires, this shit adds up quick.

What’s the most deviant thing you have seen in game or at the table?

I don’t have much to say myself. I’m mostly bored and I figured horny stuff could help me pass time.

>>98922348
Sidhe and Slaugh girl both bonded a lot over stomping a band of pesky Chimerical fairies, then enslaved the rest.

I'm not going to lie, I got a massive erection over that.

>>98922110
I think at some point in that Masquerade conga line people literally just know, but it is as a result of superstition and suspicion and not of any fact. Like "yeah, vampires are real. My cousin's employer only meets at 3 in the morning, wears all black suits and looks pale like a corpse."

Since it IS superstition and assumption (at minimum in part) people still don't consider vampires real. That doesn't violate the Masquerade since it's purely individual or extremely isolated at best (group of friends level).
So people of the World of Darkness are just always more suspicious and horrified. So yeah, read: gothic-punk.

>>98922348
Me playing as a Malfean Nephandus. I did everything. Everything.

>>98920533
>Freeholds are just inconsequential nests of rats that could be crushed if any of the True Fae ever decided to work together to rid themselves of them once and for all
Now why would they ever want to do that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8qs16mAU0s

>>98922348
Deviant as in horny? A Tzimisce Doctor PC seducing a Cleopatra Nos in the sewers in order to secure an alliance, which led to a lengthy description of their uglyness melding together. Deviant as in degenerate? My Setite Fat Ugly Bastard Priest once used Tongue of the Asp to annalingus a Toreador to final death before making his corpse the public use onahole at the akhu blasphemy shrine in the basement.

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Man-made horrors in five days, fellow anons

i like sending my table random clips from this game and making them guess what's going on
https://streamable.com/h24w93

>>98921267
>Glass Walker might give you a chance
Maybe if you like dark romance rape dens

>>98922600
I’m here for the horny. But everything else is fine too

>>98922613
Do you think they learned anything from the first time?

>>98922772
they learned people want to roll dice

>>98922613
I would like to thank Black Dog Games Factory for their dedication and hard work

>>98922772
They learned not to rename grappling rules [tussling]

>>98922793
Black Dog Games went under in the World of Darkness. All their IP got bought up by the hog crankers at Ivory Road.

>>98921081
Let me try too.
>tzimisce who ostentatiously detaches his ears and puts them in his pocket whenever a caitiff/neonate starts speaking

>>98921991
>277 titles

>>98922898
No, but only because giving your ears to your buddy so he can put them to better use somewhere else while you're stuck with the Panders, is a Sanguinus power. But it comes back around because Sanguinus is a derivative of Vicissitude.

>>98921991
This guy is spamming the vault and has lied at least once on his AI disclosures:
https://www.storytellersvault.com/en/product/540984/vampire-the-meme-querade

>>98922702
Is that a Gurahl? Last I checked they had only Garou and Corax.

>>98920098
TQ
I would probably use an old NPC concept I had. Old Jack was a New Dawn Promethean who also unlucked into every other minor splat in CofD, as well as a Hunter witch. I just like the concept of a Promethean/False man sorcerer who dabbles in every part of the setting so adjust for powerlevel from there

Ok one of my players in M20 wants to have a baby with a vampire. Shes currently arete 2 and I didnt wanna say no but what spheres would she need? Would it create a dhampir? Shes playing as some yogi twitch streamer and is obsessed with this ventrue whos shes stalking

>>98922953
Depends on how thin blood the vamp is. The south american ones have a lot of dhampirs IIRC.

>>98920098
Let me see if my /co/ knowledge is rusty or not.
>Swamp Thing
>Deadman
>John Constantine
>I, Frankenstein
>Jason Blood (Etrigan the Demon)
>Black Orchid
>Zatanna
>Madame Xanadu

>>98922953
The main thing people don't really grasp is just how sexy vampires really are that my Ecstatic would want to get leashed by a Toreador.
Idk Life 4 Entropy 3 or some shit. Better have a good explanation if Twitch Streamer is her paradigm also.

>>98922613
I pray it's somehow worse, I beg for this whole thing to get canned.

>>98923145
It needs to live long enough to unleash several years of M6 on the world.

>>98923152
No, it doesn't. Mage WILL be safe.

>>98923152
>Spheres get replaced with distinct powers
>Forces 3 is a fireball. Just a fireball.
>somehow Paradox is even worse than Revised, vulgar magic with witnesses now inflicts aggravated wounds and really can make you explode like in the memes

>>98923196
Spheres should be replaced by sub-spheres. You don't specialize in Forces, now you just do Fire. Suck a dick.

>>98923207
With the same exp cost as spheres.

>>98922936
its a gangrel with celerity and obfuscation

>>98923215
Is Celerity why he kept doing backflips every time he was shot at?

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Silly scribble in progress. Might scrap this one and try again.

>>98923469
Look what dragged the cat in...

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>>98923469
backstory?
catboys are being shoah'd and no one even cares

>>98923060
If she actually does magic through being an online persona, she could do a ritual that starts with fantasizing about the vampire live on stream, then her fans would eventually start creating fanart/fanfiction about the two living as a happy family, and eventually that accumulated energy would cause the vampire to become able to have kids with the streamer, either by making the vampire fertile or by allowing her to get impregnated by that specific guy. Correspondence might also be needed to include fans worldwide and potentially affect the ventrue.

>>98923501
Tell me about the Toreador and how that started.

>>98923611
if you botch the ritual the paradox backlash is you become a foidslop monster romance protagonist and bonegnawers etc. keep making moves on you

>>98923195
mage hasn't been safe since before revised

Would you prefer future World of Darkness products be made with some AI, a moderate amount of AI, a lot of AI, or entirely AI?

>>98923901
Entirely AI. It's the only way we can get a return to the old World of Darkness, undiluted by the opinions of 21st century scum. Just put every last WoD book released before 2005 into a shredder-scanner and ask the AI to make a new game with superior mechanics set in the 2020s based off of it. There you have it, the ultimate WoD, free from leftist corruption.

>>98923207
Spheres being replaced by specialised spheres per paradigm / tradition would be goated. The game flirts with this by randomly having Qlippothic Entropy as a separate thing (when I'm pretty sure the only thing that's different about it and Entropy is that it can do aggravated 1 level before) and Data (I literally have no clue what the fucking difference is with Correspondence).


Either that or they rework spheres so common effects do not RANDOMLY need near mastery in 3 different spheres.

Are we going to rehash this old chestnut and spend the next hundred posts arguing over whether Mage should have hard rules for every paradigm or stick with a flexible make-your-own-spell system?

>>98923953
yes been doing it for 30 years there is shit talking about it in the white wolf magazin and the faq section one of the mage st books

dark age mage is not even the cause of that (the ww magazine stuff is nearly a decade older) it's just a case where that part of the community for two books got what they wanted

>>98923953
Mage should be split into 3-4 games with their unique autistic rules in the style of Ars Magica.

>>98923919
>WoD, free from leftist corruption.
What does this look like in your head?

>>98923979
The option to bite characters of the same gender as you is removed.

>>98923979
mandatory neonazi inclusion in every coterie for political diversity, 300 pages of watersports/bestiality/whatever mechanics and also at least one pre-genned vampire loli template character.

>>98923964
I have been reading Ars recently and this shit is so fucking autistic. I wish playing a high level hermetic in mage 6e would actually feel like I'm playing Ars Magica 2026.

>>98923901
i want it written in the blood of AI CEOs

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>ask AI for its take on the WoD
>it just regurgitates single concepts as all-encompassing ideas
Very impressive.

>>98923919
>Just put every last WoD book released before 2005 into a shredder-scanner and ask the AI to make a new game with superior mechanics set in the 2020s based off of it. There you have it, the ultimate WoD, free from leftist corruption.
Why 2005? Shouldn't we include nWoD 2e for being the most overall polished version of the Storyteller System?

>>98924290
HERESY! You will use the shittiest version of the system available, THAT is what WoD is truly about and you will be happy for that.

>>98924227
... That's just Apocalypse.

>>98921655
Thanks a bunch. I'll add them to the document, although I'm not entirely sure if we should include Jump to the Moon there or not, or if it should be allowed for either glamoths or pathmoths only.

>>98923469
Cute and saved.

>>98922772
It is White Wolf, they are incapable taking criticism and acting upon it.

>>98922772
paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/news/month-of-darkness-2026-day-2
>Things We Learned

>Blood is at the core of the Vampire experience… and you had a lot of feelings about needing to spend it.
The relationship between Vitae, Willpower, and using your powers generated more feedback than any other single topic in the playtest. A lot of love for the tension of blood as a precious resource, but that cost made a lot of you hesitant to use your cool vampire powers. Hunger getting baked in as a threshold on Vitae wasn’t clear enough for a lot of players to interact with, either. Generally, bookkeeping and upkeep stuff with the thresholds was too fiddly.
>Metacurrencies have to earn being Vampire-appropriate.
Drama and Quickening drew the highest skepticism of anything we tested. Groups who liked Quickening really liked it, but it also was the only element in the playtest where “does this make you feel like a Vampire” came back largely negative. Drama was a non-starter (see our last dev diary for more), but feedback also suggested that it may still have real value as an optional support structure for newer storytellers. Vampire has had metacurrencies (V5’s Willpower as the most recent example), and Quickening played well, but we are going to hold anything we might explore in this space in the future to a strong narrative standard.
>Storytellers want to do stuff.
The throughline from STs was a feeling of reduced agency, from not rolling dice to a perception that mechanics were taking the place of your artful choices. Choose Your Pain and Devil's Bargain both being set up for players to drive both added too much pressure to the players and took away Storyteller toys. By increasing player agency and attempting to reduce ST load, we made an overcorrection.
>Failure should be scary.
A recurring critique of Choose Your Pain was that letting players pick their consequences took the teeth out of failing. We vampires like our failure with fangs

>>98924327
>Structure helps some tables, and suffocates others.
Social conflict rules split the room: groups with shy or newer players genuinely valued having a framework to lean on, while veteran roleplayers found it interrupted the conversation they were already having. Finding the balance between accessibility and flow is now one of our core design tenets.
>The most mentioned Discipline was one not in the playtest.
Protean was the most mentioned discipline in all the feedback, and it wasn’t even in the packet. Impressive! It was not great of us to only show you where part of it went (Animalism), rather than the full picture. As part of the audit of Discipline powers, Protean powers were sorted a couple of ways, and you will see the other parts of it in Alpha 2.0.

>>98924290
Taking inspiration from 2e is a factor of what led to V5. I'd rather have a pure WoD free from Tilts and Conditions and Touchstones, thank you very much. I disagree with the assertion that CofD 2e is objectively superior to any edition of WoD and I'm not sorry about it.

>>98922613
>>98922772
>>98924327
>Alpha 2.0 Stuff
Okay, so "Tussle" got your attention! Sadly, we can’t track how many respondents were singularly driven to respond by their need to eradicate this terminology immediately.

>Choose Your Pain:
Gone as a mechanic, but its spirit survives in a reworked approach to failure with more narrative weight and fewer menus.
>Diablerie:
Yes, this is updated, definitely some unintentional word choices made in the last minutes to get the playtest out the door. Though if you play at my table and really bring the dramatic roleplay, I may allow for diablerie by titty twister to celebrate this accidental meme.
>Disciplines:
Rebalancing costs and uses across the board. Also, the lineup grows somewhat in 2.0 (but not completely). More on the whole Discipline review and design process in a future diary.
>Drama:
Out of the core game, but we’re keeping it warm for a possible option for new STs.
>Expanded Options:
Lifepaths, Merits, and Sires are getting more choices.
>Humanity:
Getting streamlined, no longer a resource engine, and Natures are being reworked into something that older players may find familiar.
>NPCs:
Working on additional guidance and examples for more fleshed-out NPCs than the simple quick builds that were in 1.0.
>Social Conflict:
Working on a more streamlined set of skill tests with a lot more narrative guidance and freedom.
>Vitae/Willpower:
We will be testing a new version of this that we hope will help to resolve the martial/social balance and “feels bad to use my disciplines” challenges.

>>98922865
RIP, another quality games developer bites the dust. Imagine if Human: The Protagonist got finished...

>>98924343
>>98924327
>Lifepaths, Merits, and Sires are getting more choices
>Lifepaths
I see they've missed the part where turning character creation into diet D&D 5E with stats determined by fixed backgrounds isn't what people wanted to start.

>>98924362
they stole those prettymuch whole sale from onyx path's non wod games and probably don't have anything to replace them with

>>98924335
>Touchstones
Now I get hating V5 Touchstones, but why CofD 2e Touchstones? Those are much more flexible, able to be things like objects, locations, or even religious beliefs.

>>98924423
>Why don't you like turds? The turd can be runny, or dry, or hot, or cold, it can be any shape or like, so why don't you like the turd?

>>98923953
Are we going to pretend like the Spheres we have right now are the best spheres we're ever going to get, or that the game itself basically says that different paradigms get different capabilities? This shit doesn't fall out of the sky you know

>>98924333
on the protean thing
disciplines seem to have been redesigned around giving each clan a discipline that their clan merits (or whatever the fuck they were called) are build on. one of those design decisions that's gonna be abandoned by the second or third book but will leave a rot in the foundation of the system until next edition.

>>98924246
Good luck trying to get blood out of zuckerborg. Even you somehow manage it, it'll likely be toxic and/or radioactive.

>>98924442
You can be in favour of one system over another without asserting that the system that you favour is absolute unbeatable perfection. Spheres can be improved, but I don't think that Mage would be improved by replacing them with Pillars or a limited number of paradigm-based spell sets. Players should be imaginative enough to decide for themselves what their characters are capable of, based on their paradigms and their Spheres and figuring out how they overlap.

>>98924433
Right, you’ve expressed that you don’t like them. That’s understood. I’m curious as to why and want you to elaborate on that point. Hell, I’ll even take “because I don’t and I don’t have to elaborate shit to you”. That’s fine, too.

>>98924457
it's written in blood and killed the writer, you're making it sound more awesome then what i was envisioning

>>98924463
I think pretty much everyone here was talking about their own opinion and are under no obligation to treat your opinion as the party line.

Awakening Arcana > Sphere system
>you need le entropy to interact with Wraiths...because!

>you need le Mind 4 to go into the High Umbra...but you still need Spirit to interact with them

>you need Matter + Life + Prime to make zombies. and Entropy 2 for some reason

>>98924630
Yeah

>>98924630
Is the Awakening Translation guide good?

>>98923469
Dunno if I wish the catboy gets power drained or piston pegged

>>98924630
Sphere bloat is a shity writer problem, not a system problem

Dunno how the people playtesting are. If they love the updates or not.

But I kind of view in a negative light if your final take to everything your audience dislikes to “we will keep it but tone it down”, or “we will keep it but only as an optional rule”

>>98923673
>Ecstatic is a cocky impish manwhore who decides to seduce a vampire to gain control of their stuff for the cabal thinking it'll be easy
>Cabal warns him how stupid and disgusting that is
>Works his way up to the Toreador primogen who is super intelligent and charming even without Presence and is no stranger to other splats
>Gets seduced, becomes obsessed, addicted to Presence, becomes monogamous, dresses like her boy toy, becomes her employee/servant
>Asks her for permission to go out
>works at her establishments
>Talks to her and vampire friends on his phone while with his cabal of hardcore vampire-hating mage domestic terrorists
>they obviously noticed how he started acting and dressing differently
>Gains cat ears and cat tail from paradox while being milked by her and bringing out his true nature
>brain melts with pleasure and purrs from being petted
>Cabal does extreme terrorism blowing things up repeatedly that forces them into hiding
>Ecstatic hides with his sugar mama while various things hunt him

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>>98921081
>BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION!
Said a Tzimisce as, you saw him gluing a cat and a dog together

>>98924944
tzimisce are easy to understand. just do coke

>>98924921
Add to this
>Talks to his mage friends while the vampire holds the phone and the slurping sounds of the insane cunnilingus can be listened from the other side

>>98924630
Anon, Awakenings arcana system is just a worse version of the 2e Sphere system. The requirement bloat was added in revised.
Before th3 nerfs, Mage openly allowed sphere overlap and for pure sphere to affect whatever. You didn't need Life 1 to target a living thing with an entropy effect, you just needed entropy.

>>98924982
Another game destroyed by revised shit

>>98924302
not 5th ed it isnt

>>98923919
It'll just turn into 5e with WoW sounding Attributes.

>>98924982
Revised basically destroye the mage middle class. You're either a shitter or a master

>>98924962
>tzimisce are easy to understand. just do coke
Maybe for Ancillae and younger.
Should add Meth with Elders, and maybe Krokodil with Methuselahs

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>>98923469
Cute cat. It looks a lot... like... me... I knew that leaflet about free catnip and tuna sandwiches was too good to be true!

>>98924304
We didnt really have any level 5 gifts yet and I thought it was neat. My thought process that it was a reference to the moth spirit landing on the moon before traveling towards Gaia. I like the idea that the moths make a pilgrimage to the moth spirit's landing spot at least once in their lifetime. The moon is a source of fascination and emotion but it's surface is still and lifeless so to me it has aspects that appeal to glamour and pathos.

Magical girl anon-guy here again.

Mainly asking if the Nephandi are believable in what I've written so far. General criticism is also welcome.

One thing I've been struggling is with trying to make the MC something else than just a vessel that goes through the whole thing. Not sure if I've succeeded, as the first part of the whole thing is basically months or weeks of shit happening, and the last part is happening within hours.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11PvNP7QXxXgJJ3TE4s_2JnqpKIJe8oyFNc8cQyh3X9w/edit?usp=sharing

>>98925055
>We didnt really have any level 5 gifts yet and I thought it was neat. My thought process that it was a reference to the moth spirit landing on the moon before traveling towards Gaia. I like the idea that the moths make a pilgrimage to the moth spirit's landing spot at least once in their lifetime. The moon is a source of fascination and emotion but it's surface is still and lifeless so to me it has aspects that appeal to glamour and pathos.
Yeah that makes sense. I suppose some renaming of the Gifts could do later. Like instead of a "Jump to the Moon" it'd be "Flight to the Moon" or such. Moths have wings, after all.

>>98924962
>>98925039
hero and opium my uncle took that together and he swears he changed how people are looking but only he noticed

>>98924972
Add
>mage's avatar was inherited from an ancient Ecstatic who tried to seduce Arikel and became her eager pet begging to be fed on

>>98924982
It funny how the people that wrote Chronicles are the ones that created all the bullshit nerfs and changes fans universally hated, but didn't include those changes in their own core system.
It's almost like they Intentionally sabotaged wod to try to elivate their fanfiction game, only to be shocked when it completely flopped.

>>98925063
>Mainly asking if the Nephandi are believable in what I've written so far.
Only if he's a low-ranking rube that awakened as a reincarnated nephandus like a month ago at most.
Nephandi are terrifying. They're rarely if ever the low-ranking seducers, especially not when trying to grab new recruits. At least half of them were already accomplished mages Before going through the Caul and then they have the worlds most brutal training regime to cull the weak and stupid.
Their MO for recruiting people is sending the best of the best just to show how powerful a dark wizard is, hand out artifacts with lots of evil resonance to show how Easy dark magic is, and hand the apprentice easy demon "binding" spells, that only really summon an unbound demon that's been ordered to play-act being bound to help recruitment and kill any spies pretending to be interested so as to infiltrate.
On top of that, nephandi have access to infernalism, a set of the most overpowered game mechanics in WoD that let anyone have any power, background, ability dice pool, etc, from Any splat.

>>98925063
If you worry about it just replace nephandi with neutral terms like evil spirit or a vilian or something.

>>98925284
Well, the first Nephandus did successfully curse a university's worth of people and has a ritual going on that's more or less sucking the life force out of everyone present. He's also fighting against a Hermetic who looks to be pretty accomplished, judging by the spellwork he's done.

I'm going to pivot from the other Nephandus trying to seduce the MC into joining them to attempting to kidnap them, then, I guess.

>>98925325
I guess I could use the term "villain" more.

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>>98925068
>Like instead of a "Jump to the Moon" it'd be "Flight to the Moon"
That makes sense. I didnt think to tweak the names of the Gifts. Ill take that into consideration when transcribing.

I did notice a typo in my entry for Jump to the Moon. In the 2nd to last sentence I meant to write: The trip, it is said, is faster than thought - reaching or returning to the moon takes only minutes.

I plan to edit some of the Gifts already on the document. I know the books also does the "same as the [auspice/form/tribe] Gift" entries but I like things in one place and would rather not page flip if I can help it.

>>98924921
>addicted to Presence
Speaking of that, wouldn't getting blasted with Presence from time to time be useful for any Ecstatic stuff that requires a particular emotional high?

>>98925021
Just play as the get with that system. What's the worst that could happen?

>>98925511
That is exactly what happens. No regiment, no yoga, no drugs, a vampire just hits you with "FEEL THINGS" and you're good to go with low difficulty paradigm-complying magic. There's also the addiction to being fed on, which is good enough that the Ecstatic asked for it as payment. She could just suck him and get a clear divination out of him as he starts seeing kaleidoscopes and receiving psychedelic visions. Plus the Ecstatic can extend the feeling to the vampire who would love it. So you have this feedback loop of reciprocated interest and mindblowing orgasms.

>>98924982
I read 2e Mage and it did have bloat for Necromancy / affecting Wraiths.

>>98924362
I just finally sat down and read Curseborne, and their life path system was really frustrating for putting together the exact character I had in mind. I'm just glad now the 1.0 alpha's version of life paths wasn't as restrictive

>>98925705
also those things he said about the High Umbra, the Umbra where Mages are meant to be going the most from all writeups aside from Dreamspeakers mind you, were in 1e and 2e.

>>98924921
>>98924972
Now this is what I wanted to hear for horny stories

>>98925458
>The trip, it is said, is faster than thought - reaching or returning to the moon takes only minutes.
The moon is less than one light-second from Earth

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>>98923501
>>98924921
>>98925808
For better visualization here's a lineup of the retards pre-disaster.
1. Hermetic that believes in total mage-supremacy over the sleeper cattle hordes and hates vampires
2. Ecstatic catboy working for a vampiress
3. Chorister hardcore domestic terrorist militiaman with tons of heat on him and hates vampires
4. Akashic hapa weeb, the worst of them all.
5. Not pictured, the NWO having strokes from trying to wrangle these retards and putting a gun into his own mouth.

>>98925915
>4. Akashic hapa weeb, the worst of them all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qByKEu0zdco

>>98923501
Lita wants a catboy. Bakeslave fits the bill. Hilarity ensues.

>>98924307
Happy you like it!

>>98925055
Oh, Bakeslave. When will you ever learn?

From 1991 through 20th Anniversary, Disciplines have been linear up to the fifth dot, with only vampires who manage to reach the 7th generation able to pick the exact power they get under a Discipline's umbrella at the sixth dot and beyond. This held constant even after werewolves with their multiple-choice Gifts and mages with their free-form Spheres were introduced. Even Requiem honored this, although it did release a broad variety of alternative and hyperspecific Disciplines.
Then V5 changed things, giving you a choice of Discipline powers within each dot, and V6 seems committed to making the choices even broader. Does anyone know why they decided to do this?

>>98925915
>>98923501
I just wanted to say I adore your Cabal's characters. Varied, each with an identifiable personality and quirks, hilarious potential for PC plans. If I ever run mage I'm stealing Rambo Chorister.

>>98926103
originally they wanted to reduce disciplines "bloat" while also adapting as many powers as they could (or liked to) so that people could in theory have more varried "builds" without having to be in certain clans which i heard might have something to do with MET's larp system? but i don't have any first hand experience with that. However even later v5 teams went against it by making stuff like koldunism tzimisce only and the v6 team seems to go in the direct opposite direction with each of the clan having unqiue powers that other vampires can't learn at all

might be overcorrection might be them trying to copy requiems design yet as there bloodlines had unique stuff (either devotions, merits or disciplines) but honestly who knows

>>98926136
Mage should be a magical terroristic sitcom where they have paradigmatic clashes, everyone is insane and unstable, they take turns being "the sane one" and both sides are arguably as bad as each other but end up correcting each other's flaws.

The cabal is actually dysfunctional morons, but from the Technocracy's perspective they look like insane, dangerous, terrorist demons. The Technocracy looks very formidable and looming. But the commanding officer of the NWO trying to fight the cabal is also fighting his own desire to jump off a roof. Then you have absurd narratives like "The one mage was such an asshole that he actually became a better person after falling into the clutches of evil vampires that ruin people's lives."

>>98925915
how the FUCK do half of these people work together, this is like a super nightmare blunt rotation of personalities.

>>98926230
That is the story of the Traditions in a nutshell.

>>98926230
Bro, what do you think the traditions are?

>>98926393
A collection of fuckwits mostly united by the certainty they'd all die trying to go it alone?

>>98926239
>>98926393
you got to admit this is worse than the average traditions cabal. I don't know how you could ragebait each other much more than this setup.

>>98926438
You could find the biggest loons from paradigms that directly oppose eachother. Outside of that? Yeah, it's a pretty whacky cabal.

>>98926438
It might be more unstable than the average cabal yet it also an accurate microcosm of inter-Traditions relations. It is ALSO a cabal that would have their own TV show from changelings gangstalking and recording them and selling the tapes to other fae, Toreadors and Malkavians.

Shark here.

There wasn’t a game but we all gathered today just to talk. It was really fun. And awkward.

See, today’s meeting was so our new player could finish their character, learn what has been happening in our chronicle and get to know our characters and their motivations.

And… Catalina’s player shared our plans on… defiling Lyssa… to the new player. It’s really the way they presented it. Saying that it was our idea. While really it’s theirs and I’m enabling it. Catalina’s player has been supportive of Shark since the start, so now I want to help them ascending Catalina as the last head of the Wyrm. Defiler.

Look I know that it sounds stupid, it’s just that both ST and Catalina’s player already know the new player. I’m just not a fan of one of my first impressions being this.

Except for that bit the rest was fun. So the new player is a Salubri. A powerful huntress and warrior inspired by (and perhaps is) Andromeda, with her companion Perseus. She used to be from the healer caste, but the fall from her clan pushed her into the warrior’s path and the ranks of the Sabbat. Thanks to multiple merits she has 5 in-clan disciplines. Those are Fortitude, Auspex, Celerity, Obeah and Valeren. Last two at level two or three. She has a body very reminiscing of an angel.

Also we discussed what could theoretically happen next game. We’re definitely getting fucked for Andrei. Killing him wasn’t THAT much of a problem. But diablerizing him in his own home is. Also killing Hans. Apparently that bastard had a lot of connections for a Nosferatu meat head.

So the only way for Catalina to get out unscathed would be to blame EVERYTHING on Lyssa. Since she’s Anubis’ daughter she has a free pass to anything. For now. Anubis actually expect Shark to diablerise and grind for power. Apparently he wants Shark to get stronger so not only I could help him defeat the White Howler once he’s restored… but also vanquish Fenris once we start Gehenna

Have you ever come across something you couldn’t explain? In real life? Have you ever been seriously spooked and to this day unable to explain it?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2-inEpxRZzs&pp=0gcJCVMCo7VqN5tD&ra=m

>>98926684
Saw what I thought was Bigfoot twice. I was in Vancouver near a zone where there are no phone service, electricity or any civilization. I was on the backseat of a car ride to some kind of hotel. I was looking at mountains in the distance and there was some land deforested. I saw a brown form covered in fur that looked as tall as a grizzly bear on its hind legs. But it was the way it walked. The movement of the legs, and especially the swinging of the arms. Those were definitely belonging to a man. It’s those movements and its height that makes me sure that what I saw wasn’t a bear.

>deliberately create a caitiff
>trick it into being an inceptor
>have it create its brand-new Discipline in accordance with designs you already thought out
>diablerize the caitiff and master the Discipline as if it were your own
THE PERFECT CRIME

>>98926898
I can’t think of new disciplines that aren’t just a rehash of existing ones. Or are distinct enough to not be Thaumaturgy paths.

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>>98926922
Five rare and hard to find combo Disciplines with enough of a throughline to be one Discipline

So I have a mage player who denies magic is not real and its not there will making it happen yet there paradigm is everything happening to them is positivity, then any sort of magic or supernatural is just somehow rationalized in there mind or someone drugged them. The entire cabal fully accepts magic is real in there own ways but this specific one denies it, are they playing exactly how mage wants them to play? Now I dont wanna change them and one player complained but I think the way they play is valid based on there paradigm unless something is wrong with this also the player is into "whump" and just wants there character suffer for sufferings sake.

>>98927012
Yeah that's just part of mages being delusional, IIRC it's listed under the Quiet section as a minor example of that in M20.

>>98927016
Where's a good place to look for mechanical rules governing Maraiders, like the "they make their Paradox other mages' problem" one?

>>98927012
Sounds like Clarity Quiet or maybe even a Jhor Quiet if it's excessive, but that's perfectly fine and technically still true from a metaphysical standpoint
The reason that an unobserved mage along and unobserved in the most remote corner of the umbra still garners paradox when he himself feels he will fail
There's some paragraph somewhere about a stage performer crossing the tightrope and the same feelings of internal doubt causing a fall as much as an outside force like wind or balance compared to causing paradox from within
So every other mage does feel the same way but has the confidence to ignore it except at their most dire moment(s)

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I want you once again to consider magical girls
Either Mage or Princess

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>>98927088
Being Queen of Hatred is suffering.

>>98927012
>>98927036
On occasions when the mage rationalises away obviously vulgar magic and pretends that it is just a figment of their imagination, give them a point of Delusional Resonance. Feel free to subtract points of this Resonance if they adjust and begin to accept the existence of magic.
When they accumulate five points of Delusional Resonance and whenever they would gain more than five points of it, they have to roll a Difficulty 8 Arete roll or gain a level of Denial type Quiet.
At level 2 Quiet, the mage doesn't even need to rationalise coincidental magic, to them it's just perfectly normal, they're blind to anything out of the ordinary. At level 3 Quiet, this extends to vulgar magic, they literally can't see fireballs and lightning bolts being lobbed around. Maybe allow Willpower rolls to resist. At level 4 Quiet, this extends to the people around them, maybe you can have them Willpower or something to resist, otherwise they fail to perceive anything obviously supernatural. At level 5 Quiet, they go catatonic and fall into an involuntary mindscape that they need to go through a Seeking to escape, which should involve coming to terms with the existence of magic in some shape or form. If they seriously insist on continuing to reject that magic exists at that point and they continue to wilfully deny obviously mystical events, level 6 Quiet and they become an unplayable Marauder.

"My character's paradigm is that magic isn't real!" is a funny gimmick to start with, but it should be a stepping stone for character growth, not a permanent feature of a character in a game called Mage. It's the sort of delusion that should lead to Quiet and eventual Marauder status if the player absolutely insists on preventing their character from growing out of that state of mind.

>>98927132
Quiets are completely independent mechanics from Resonances
>unless the ST/chronicle is about that

>>98927143
Resonance can be one of the causes of falling into Quiet, page 555, M20. If you're not playing M20, could've clarified that.

>>98927088
I've considered it for a while. But no one else wants to play Princess :(

>>98927154
Yet another symptom of why cheesesteak doesn't understand the fucking game

>>98927161
It works as a method of regulating players who insist on playing Marauder-lite mages. Just give them Resonance whenever they do ridiculous things and when that Resonance caps out, they start gaining Quiet. If the only causes of Quiet are really severe Paradox backlashes and cases of extreme brain damage, player mages are almost never going to be at risk of gaining it, so I'm okay with Resonance overload causing Quiet.

>>98927186
There is no mage who is acting like a marauder and not garnering paradox
If a mage is not even externally not engaging with the state of Awakening (the character babbling whatever in dialogue) but at least being inwardly forced to engage with it (the player declaring Effects and rolling Arete, thus garnering paradox as is inevitable), then you are not playing Mage and are playing Human: the Protagonist
(you) do not understand the fucking game either if this is confounding to you in any way

>>98920698
>>98920112
>>98920291
I have a mummy character who's the exposition machine.
The joke is the sheer breadth of bullshit he's seen.
https://youtu.be/1zwGRWax1Q0?t=5

>>98920120
I mix up WoD and CofD stuff somewhat frequently. I'd like to use full on fan splats, but honestly, none of them have ever spoken to me. Haven't bothered with Curseborne either, but I will semi-commonly inject ideas I've seen in other horror media as plot hooks, even if it requires I make a custom template for it.

>>98927198
Anon's "magic isn't real and I can just rationalise away all of the magic that the people around me cast" player is likely going to take a long, long time to ever reach the point where he rolls enough dice to get eleven or more successes on a Paradox backlash roll (which would require rolling over twenty dice on average) which is the point when you start getting Quiet from backlashes.
Without using the Resonance optional rule, that character's delusions are going to become obnoxious, with no rules in place to punish the character for having Quiet-tier delusions that should be putting the character on the fast track to becoming a Marauder.
Not confounded by anything, just think that the Resonance rule works as a method of curtailing mages with retarded paradigms that deny observable reality, without having to wait forever for them to accumulate enough Paradox actually start getting levels in Quiet.

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>>98920098
>TQ
I hope 6e gets a version of Deviants.

>er my paradigm is an obnoxious meta reference Marauder type deal
this is why I hate orphan players btw

Thinking about VtM set in Japan. I think using the empire, shogunate, and yakuza would make sense as inspirations, but I don't really know which would map to what.
The yakuza took in rejects like the Anarchs, but their strict hierarchy of family and insulated clan structure feels more camarilla or sabbat.

>>98927720
M6 should use tiers like vampire and hunter. Orphans still need to believe in a tradition. There's no reason not to when Hollow Ones exist to be the rulebreaker tradition.
>neonate/cell/orphan
>ancilla/compact/???
>elder/conspiracy/???

>>98927836
Most of the power structure should still be more like the one in V:DA, with local princes/daimyos and high and low clans. Perhaps with the option of adoption into a clan via blood oath.


The Sabbat could've gotten there with Portugese and Dutch traders and missionaries during the 16th century. They could've built their power base in the southern cities, even after the ban on christianity, with some established lasombra bishops and tziggers who larp as local lords and kami.
The Camarilla should be a very recent power in Japan, desu, which only managed to establish itself during the Meiji reastauration.
Since many japanese hierarchies are build on the concept that old=right, they likely never had something like an anarch revolution. Though modern developments are shaking that foundation, which could lead to a stronger Sabbat.

So I'm kind of a retarded when it comes to European history. What's the best approach when it comes to running Vampire Dark Ages?

>>98927974
Learning European history.

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>>98927974
First choose a country and the age range you want the chronicle to take place (eg. France, 1100-1300) Then unironically study what the fuck happened in France during that timeframe by looking through historical texts (and videos) and also check if the Vampire books have anything relating to that place and timeframe.

tl;dr Unironically study history

>>98927988
Second best?

>>98927974
What sort of game were you hoping to run with VDA? What themes, what clans do you want to focus on, what's the general gist of the chronicle? We can give you a list of regions to focus on depending on what sort of game you'd like to run, then you can focus on studying the history of that particular region and maybe regions tied to it.

But if you haven't even decided what sort of game you'd like to run yet, you should probably start there.

>>98927974
the europa book gives some hints of what is going on and how it affects cainites in the area, but you won't get around at least wikipedia surfing some history

unless you play a omen war chronicles in which case everything east of prague is a shit show where all of history was fake made up afterwards to cover up vampire tomfoolery; tzimisce ruled openly by using horrific monsters to scare mortals into submission, revenants been nobility, cappadocians wiped out entire villages with plagues, nosferatu are building complex castles before those been in fashion (to help seal kupala), gangrel elders fist fight garou on top of mountains and most of the nascent clan tremere thinks this is normal vampire behavior and the ventrue hate all of it

>>98928014
If your players are similarly ignorant you might get away with just watching something loosely historical set in Europe and use that as a foundation. Vikings: Valhalla, The Borgias, Wolf Hall, The Canterbury Tales, some version of Robin Hood, first season of Blackadder, etc.

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>>98927836
>VtM set in Japan
Here's what I've worldbuilt with Japan, mostly for the sake of /schreck/, feel free to use anything if you find anything you like.

The organization which claims to be the oldest are the Sotoha, the Ventrue of Japan, lifted almost directly from the VtR book on the Invictus. All Kindred they embrace change their family name to Fujita, after the samurai founder.

The second oldest organization are the Asano, a minor Giovanni family who was formally acknowledged in 2026, and also a samurai family, their true founder was Tsuna of the Asano embraced by Marco Della Passaglia in 1600 the night after the Battle of Sekigahara. Tsuna was an exceedingly despicable villainess even by Elder vampire standards, her cruelties met their end when she was Diablerized by a creation of hers. The Asano have blood ties to the German Königs, to the point the current "patriarch", Asano Hiromitsu, was embraced by a König. Hiromitsu is but an 11th Generation Ancilla, an entrepreneur in the transportation sector, he's overworked now that his many enemies are closing in and he doesn't have the Elder's protection.

The oldest Kindred are in Kyoto under The Night Shogun (Nosferatu), Monomacy is a de facto 7th Tradition of the Japanese Camarilla. Tokyo is a Westernized Domain under Tremere Regent Preston Varrick who kicked the Tzimisce out of town. Osaka has the most Koreans - and Kuei-Jins if you want.

Korea used to be contested between the Chinese Sabbat in Nanjing lead by Lasombra Lin Baloh, the Sotoha, the (ever weaker) Asano - and a local power, Emperor Haneunim. You can either have him as an Eastern vampire or Toreador. He kept the foreigners' hands away from the Imperial Family, the Chaebol and the Workers' Party of Korea. Haneunim let literally any supernatural settle in his territories as long they pay the rent, except for exceedingly unattractive monsters like Nosferatu, Samedi, etc.

Friends, how bad do you guys believe W6 will be? Or worse, Chudling the Dreaming 6

>>98926092
The other fomori have been stealing my lunches. We arent allowed to leave the property during our shifts and they have us working overtime because our factories and labs keep getting blown up with fertilizer bombs.
>Hilarity ensues.
I know Lita's moniker was Shovelhead Stripper but Im not familiar with her personality. I know she was a Brujah but thats really it. She isnt going to make me wear a slice of bread around my head... right?

>>98926664
>I’m just not a fan of one of my first impressions being this.
In a lot of instances I would say youre probably overthinking it but to talk about getting raped the first time you meet someone can be off-putting. Doesnt help that it was framed as a collaborative concept but I suppose it has to be a little embarrassing to tell someone 'next session I plan on raping another pc' so saying 'we have this plan where I rape another pc' sounds, ironically, more consensual.
>So the new player is a Salubri.
Neat.
>We’re definitely getting fucked for Andrei.
I cant wait to see how next session goes. hashtag JusticeForAndrei
hashtag TzimisceLivesMatter
hashtag TzimisceExcellence
The Tzimisce threatened to move my tastebuds into my asshole if I didnt help them with their online advocacy. I dont think they realize hashtags dont work by literally typing "hashtag"...

>>98928220
Werewolf will have to move away from noble savage tribesmen if it wants to exist at all.
Changeling will probably be fine. Maybe incorporate some Lost lore.

>>98928227
Werewolf is the most punk game in the WoD, since you actually kill CEOs, but it's also the most modern game. It only makes sense Paradox would kill it off.

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>>98928220
i'm putting my money on the devs digging their head in the sand and addressing none of the issues with the previous playtest, all new material will be equally bad or worse. it will amount to a full total of boringly inept

what are the most eastern european clans
ofc its
>1. Tzimisce
>2. Nosferatu
but which ones are under those two?

>>98928311
if we go by the dark age books it's either gangrel or tremere with gangrel becoming more and more common the further north or east you go while the tremere will end up moving to further west

>>98928311
Tremere. somewhat off topic one of my favorite things about eastern europe is that you can make a real argument that the tremere and tzimisce are like that because of eastern europa instead of the other way around

the umbra there is all fucked up because of kupala and grandfather thunder and all the other splats that share space with them are also fucked up (Shadowlords, House Varich, the Winter court). Of course this is because white wolf went to the transilvania being lit dracula country meme that other ttrps also used for their uberwald countries like barovia and sylvania, but i think it's funny to just use that in a urban fantasy setting

>>98928227
>[Current politics shit I don't like] is Banal
>[Current politics shit I like] is Glamorous
I guess it will be easy to ignore at least.
>Maybe incorporate some Lost lore.
Hopefully not.

>>98928227
What will Werewolf have to do then?

>>98928224
>so saying 'we have this plan where I rape another pc' sounds, ironically, more consensual.

Well it is. Though it’s embarrassing to tell this to the new player… but I guess that it’s better now than during game.

>I cant wait to see how next session goes.

Me too. We’ll see how the tribunal goes. Catalina better hope that they don’t interrogate us individually, or that the elders don’t bother investigating me admitting to the crime… because I have minus 10 dice on anything social. I literally can’t lie.

Also don’t worry about your tastebuds! Thanks to Andrei *snorts* I now have Vicissitude 6! I could put you back together! Though I have absolutely zero knowledge about medicine or body craft… so you’ll have to consider my aid more like an art than a science. Also ST confirmed that instead of Ecstatic Agony I inherited Chiropteran Marauder. Less interesting, but hey… now nobody can escape me! Not even in the sky!

>>98928480
Good question. Every monster has a fursona option, but also other things. Werewolf only has fursonas and noble savages. I'd put money on it going the way of Beast or Gypsy out of any of the existing series.

>>98928489
>turn werewolves into rapists
>this just turns them back into chud Garou from pre 5th

>>98928489
What’s wrong with werewolves being eco warriors

>>98928227
W5 already moves away from noble savage tribesmen. Some archetypes are incidentally indigenous people living in the wild, but every tribe, including Red Talons, is typically just ordinary people who live ordinary lives in ordinary society, just with a fursona and a little ecoterrorism.

>>98928503
Paradox as a company has a CEO. CEOs usually don't like it when stories call them bad guys who should have their heads' bitten off.

>>98928504
That’s lame

>>98928520
pretty much all of w5 is. when anon said "a little ecoterrorism" he meant it and you can also only have a little bit of umbra in your game because you are heavily timelimited there

Does anybody have the updated version of the book of common magicks? The archived version is the old one

https://www.storytellersvault.com/en/product/462226/book-of-common-magicks

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>>98928514
Remember, corporations aren't inherently bad, capitalism can be used for good, and all of humanity is collectively to blame for all of the evil in the world, rather than any particular ideology, economic system or group.

>>98928601
1e lets you start play with 5 resource dots so this but unironically

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>>98928601
>Remember, corporations aren't inherently bad, capitalism can be used for good
That is a fact, yes.

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>>98928220
Presuming that they even up making it, my guess is that the powers are going to bullshit and the meta currency would make them effectively unkillable once per scene or something along those lines.

What I would like to see if they keep up the lore sheets, a few new sets would be nice.

The Dreaming 6... Who the fuck knows? Apparently they are scrapping the entire premise and might come up with something interesting through blind luck.

>>98928758
Is there are single version of the game where a werewolf can't have 5 dots of resources? Only the Bone Gnawers have that restriction.

>>98928793
not in general, but there are editions where the st is told to not let you have anything on 5 dots at char gen

>>98925063
>>98925284
>>98925380
So, should I change the Nephandi to be their underlings, or have one of them be the underling while the other is an actual Nephandus?

>>98928788
>Apparently they are scrapping the entire premise
Where was that said?

>>98928311
One of the things I actually like about Eastern Europe is that it isn't hard to find most clans there. Plenty of Brujah, Gangrel, Ventrue, Tremere, etc. Despite being treated as one clan's "homeland", they don't use that as an excuse to geo-lock it out of interesting things, which was all too common in VTM sadly.

>>98927974
Just go off of vibes, it's what VTDA did a lot of the time anyway. Honestly if you avoid making clans stand-ins for ethnic groups or religious movements, you'll already be doing better than the official lore.

>>98928805
And are those the same books where they don't give options to raise backgrounds with XP? I know that would be really stupid but right up WW playhouse.

>>98928839
There are rumors, and I say rumors because I don't remember where this idea came from, Changeling 6 will use the set up as Lost.

Changelings in that version won't be a Chimera of imagination and reality that can be killed by the presence of a DMV operator or mega church priest.

I'm pretty sure someone watched the Hellboy movie where changelings are played straight and decided to copy that.

>>98928887
>And are those the same books where they don't give options to raise backgrounds with XP? I know that would be really stupid but right up WW playhouse.
no no WW wasn't -that- stupid it's just that anon said "start play with 5 resource dots"

>>98928897
Fair enough, it's just that the freebie point system asks you to get your build online during character creation or else it ain't happening for years of weekly games.

I get why people made it that way but still.

>>98928887
Hey, if it's like the changelings of MLP I'd be happy.

>>98928601
Yeah, and the Nephandi are just misunderstood good guys.

>>98929149
No, that's Black Spiral Dancers, the actual good guys of WtA.

>>98929160
no cap that's a thing in w5. they are alteast half right as far as the w5 cosmology goes and if they are right on the otherside than the garou nation was torturing gaia by keeping her alive for longer than she should have

they can also be reasoned with and turned into normal garou again. neither of which is possible with the cult of fenrir in that book

>>98929166
It's a thing in every edition of WtA. Freeing the Wyrm and destroying the Pattern Web liberates it from its madness and allows it to assume its natural role of Balance Wyrm and right all of the wrongs of the universe. This is the truth that BSDs see in the Spiral and it's the realisation that they've been fighting for the wrong cause all this time that turns them all "insane." None of the evil actions that they do actually matter because they will all be undone when the Wyrm is freed and the universe is reset.

>>98928311
Gangrel in the north and Brujah in the south, then much fewer Tremere and Ventrue

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>>98928838
I like Mages and the magical girls

Some day I will hopefully play Princess the Hopeful

>>98928220
There isn't going to be a W6. Grab W20 or something.

>>98928397
>>[Current politics shit I don't like] is Banal
No, I advocate for single-payer but I will freely admit this is a dry as fuck conversation to have. Minus the people that CEO murdered before a vigilante got him.

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>>98927088
I'm sorry anon, as soon as I try to think up a character concept my AGP and doomerism take over and I end up with despairing coomerbait rather than a PC full of hope for a world of darkness.

>>98929471
I wonder if we'll get the MG version of TTGL to PMMM's Evangelion

Thread got me wondering are there any magical girl (male) anime/manga worth reading?

>>98929471
You need to be less pornbrained

>>98929513
Kamen Rider has many comics.

>>98929513
I saw one where a salaryman turns into a magical boy to fight evil. He ends up fighting a magical girl who became evil because she became too old to be a magical girl.
Adult Hero vs Nympho Magical Girl ~Arch-Nemesis! The Futanari Magical Girl

Hope this aids you on your journey.

>>98929549
But this is porn!

>>98928767
>the Nu-Syndicate redeems Capitalism by saying everything bad Capitalism does is because of Not Real Capi- I mean "Mammonites" and they the Real Capitalists have nothing to do with it even though that is impossible if they have as much money and influence as they claim
Pottery.

>>98929567
>everything bad Capitalism does
Anon, no country on earth has been capitalist in nearly a century. It's like france trying to blame the french monarchy in current day, they're already Dead my guy.

>>98928601
Was this the most retarded thing they've ever written in terms of suspension of disbelief or being tone death? This book came out like in 22 or something right?

>>98928788
>Scrapping the entire premise of the dreaming
>They've legitimately failed at capitalizing both Lost and now Dreaming despite being rather popular games
Kwab'd

>>98929672
>Capitalists accumulated enough capital to corrupt the government into giving them infinite profit, which is always the final objective of all capitalists, therefore stop talking about capitalism's wrongs.
Oh the "Mammonites" did it, of course.

>>98929693
God they’re idiots.

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>>98928481
>better now than during game.
The bridge was gonna have to be crossed eventually.
>We’ll see how the tribunal goes
Calling it now, the new player is going to be assigned to your pack to keep an eye on you guys on behalf of the tribunal.
>Chiropteran Marauder
Unfortunate but if you do some sort of spinning dive you could yell Sharknado.
>Thanksto Andrei *snorts* I now have Vicissitude 6! I could put you back together!
Great! Aha... ha... *genuinely not sure who to be more terrified of*
>>98928838
I think the more normal seeming nephandi should be a Pawn. A corrupted mage but not quite a true nephandi. Kinda like a shovelhead, yeah he is a vampire but he isnt a true sabbat yet. His involvement with the first nephandi and the university could be his test to see if he is even worthy of going through the caul.
>I'm going to pivot from the other Nephandus trying to seduce the MC into joining them to attempting to kidnap them
Could see the MC as a noteworthy sacrifice.