What's next for Idoneth? And don't tell me just another foot hero.

Not really a house rule but we only play narrative games

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>>98931206
Another foot hero but they'll squat half your units to make room for it :)

>>98931202
>early thread just so he could use his coomer OP
alright

>>98931225
This is how trooding wars start.

>>98931225
8 page thread was always a standard, not my fault /tg/ is dead.

>>98931206
Reavers going to legends, Eidolons merged in one, disappointing profile, another useless foot hero that might interact with the shark cavalry no one uses anymore, maybe gives them +1oc while wholly within 12".

>>98931267
My autistic personal etiquette is page 8 is fine if the thread is over 400 replies
Otherwise wait til 9 or 10
That being said the coomer shit is just annoying no matter what

It may be a question that is impossible to get answer for but does anyone remember how many erratas were released for the very first General's Handbook? I found something that might be a legit errata 1.1 but I can't find any archived article for shit.

Age of Sigmar

Apparently the generic option for the warthrone only has the female build. Which is odd as the generic daemonsmith on taurus had built options for both, and the body of the thryng was gender neutral i.e. with breastplates, unlike the other female model on the boat (as well as hjulda) which I assumed was because the body needed to work for both male and female heads. But no, only the female head included.
The body and head are separate though so it's an easy headswap, but idk on a pricey model like that is one extra head option really that much to ask for?

>>98931347
You will not be missed.

>>98931202
If that model would have halfway realistic proportions, it would be worth a consideration.

>>98931202
Is this supposed to be the cathay chick by the way?

>>98931375
Most probably yes.

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This model's a lot more impressive in person than I thought. I just thought it was kinda horse sized but it's pretty big and intricate.
Total pain to build tho.

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>>98931202
Both me and my usual opponents are noobs so we just common sense houserule anything we don’t understand. We did it for kill team. Like if just a boot toecap is visible on a model we wouldn’t count it as visible.

I find that when you’re new to any game it’s the most fun cause you’re mostly ignorant of the meta and any unfair BS that could arise. Familiarity breeds contempt or so they say.

>coomer OP

Fuck off Vince your wife-master says you can’t use the computer anymore today


>>98931273
Why do they have armies then just refuse to give them anything of substance? It’s not like ogors that has a huge range already and simply needed updates. Idoneth is a tiny range. What do they have outside of eels and infantry?? I hope they don’t squat them for the sake of all the IDK bros. After seeing what they did to FS and beast men it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

khorne is another army that’s been hanging on since launch without anything aside from pity characters. Those wrathmongers and stubby little bloodreavers/warriors could use some love.

>>98931308
not more than one or two. i was around back then, but i sadly did not save the erratas or faqs
>>98931448
really? i assumed one could tell from the base that it was about the size of a greater demon.

When did nerds start hating tits?

>>98931347
I don’t care

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I have the IJ spearhead which comes out to 540 points if I run brute ragerz over weird brute wrekkaz. Or 530 with ragerz. Any suggestions for expanding it to 1k? Do people normally run the priest AND shaman wizard in the same list? I’m guessing it’s worth getting a unit of pigs for the mobility right? Maybe some more ardboyz and the ardboy boss? I’m open to suggestions. I’d rather not lean into pigs heavily though cause I really like their infantry.

Also, what’s the preferred IJ battle formation? They all seem pretty weak or unreliable unless you take the pig formation

Managed to get my Magmic Fyrd. £75! Hell of a deal considering the cost of a Magmadroth

>>98931528
Unironically the new battleforce is pretty good if you like the look of the gruntas, which are apparently a bit controversial. But all the units in the box are good, bog pigs can also be ran as an RoR in other destruction armies as a bonus.
Can't go wrong with more ardboyz either if you wanna avoid pigs.

>>98931202
Needs more/fewer breasts

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>Dominion of Earth and Stone
>Gather round, beardlings, and learn of Undinbar, hold of the White Dwarf, and Barazald, the Great Library of Grudges.

>The White Dwarf’s Wayfarers
>Army of Renown rules for fielding a duardin force led by Grombrindal himself. Surely the coolest thing since sliced brog.

>Brush Tips: Khazalite Holds
>The ’Eavy Metal team explain how they came up with the colour scheme for Karak Angaraz.

>Paint Splatter: Khazalite Holds
>A short (who you calling short?) stage-by-stage guide for painting a Khazalite Clanshield.

>Illuminations: Khazalite Holds
>The studio’s esteemed illuminators put down their hammers and chisels to discuss the art of the Khazalite Holds.

>Nurgle’s Gardeners
>A colourful collection ‘fresh’ from Nurgle’s Garden by corrupted cultivator Terry Pike.

>Voyage of the Saltfyre: Treasure and Toll
>Who knew that doomflayers could be used as landing craft? Fun fact in this Skaven story.

Looks like it'll be a pretty good issue in terms of AoS content. I always like reading what the sculptors & painters had in mind when creating a new army.

>>98931479
It's such a shame GW keeps purging WarCom all the time. Even Web Archive has nothing from before late-2016. When has WarCom launched? I'm quite sure it was around the AoS launch in 2015 but I may be mixing up things.

>>98931528
> I’d rather not lean into pigs heavily though cause I really like their infantry.

i like to run 2x20 ardboyz, 1x6 ragers, and 2x5 brutes as the core of my army and go from there.

ardboyz are such a brick shithouse of a unit, opponents can throw entire armies at them and never shift them. make sure to take an ardboy boss to double their shieldback MWs, shield bash hits faster than strikes first, so its a great attack in large numbers, it works both as offense and defense since killing enemies before they get the chance to attack reduces their incoming damage too.

ragers strike first makes them MUCH better than weirdbrutes

brutes are good as either a reinforced unit for dealing damage or, how i prefer to use them, as a couple MSU squads for capturing flank objectives. they're tough enough that most things an opponent sends after flank scoring like hunters of huanchi or wildercorps generally wont kill them, and the brutes disable scoring for 1-2 health units, so they can just shut down scoring for most units that arent the opponent throwing large dedicated monsters or cavalry units at them.

still worth taking some pigs, playing without pigs at all means you will be quite slow, so i would consider at least getting a mawgrunta or two.

mawkrusha is decent but now that he doesnt have a command ability anymore he's basically just a big beatstick and a good caddy for trophy skulls, but i think the tuskboss is more usable for that because his base is a lot easier to manuever on the table whereas the mawkrusha is very easy to get jammed up and has a harder time getting around terrain or screens

weirdboy is very useful, strongly consider always taking one

weirdfist plays well with huge ardboy units. natural disaster or smashin and bashin are better if you are running lots of brutes or just dont have a dedicated plan

kragnos is in 90% of competitive ironjawz lists but i refuse to use him on principle. could convert some kind of big orruk kragnos proxy

>>98931557
I was heavily considering it for 2k or 1.5k lists but I can print the small pigs and that really drops the value of the box for me. Granted I will get 2 big pigs and assembly is always more comfy to me than slicing and processing resin. I’ll have to think about it and ask myself if it would be a responsible purchase.

>ardboyz

Yeah I think I’m definitely gonna need at least 1 more unit and prob the ardboy boss too

>>98931604
>>98931528

here's an example of a typical list i'll run

Back Brutes 1990/2000 pts

Ironjawz

General's Handbook 2026-27
Drops: 3
Wounds: 181
Spell Lore - Lore of the Weird
Prayer Lore - Warbeats
Manifestation Lore - Krondspine Incarnate

Regiment 1
Ardboy Big Boss (90)
Ardboyz (320)
• Reinforced
Ardboyz (320)
• Reinforced
Brute Ragerz (200)
• Reinforced

Regiment 2
Tuskboss on Maw-grunta (270)
• Trophy Skulls
• Mega Bossy
Brutes (160)
Brutes (160)
Maw-grunta Gougers (200)

Regiment 3
Weirdnob Shaman (110)
Brutes (160)


Faction Terrain
Bossrokk Tower

manifestation lore is whatever you have the points for, krondspine or primal energy are fine, but you could also just ignore them and cast regular lore spells since you've only got 1 wizard. you dont need to sweat endless spells unless you're bringing a bunch of casts, because ironjawz normal lore of the weird is pretty good.

could also drop the mawgrunta gouger for a second unit of reinforced ragers if you prefer, either choice is good.

the tuskboss with trophy skulls is one of my favorite picks though, it lets him muscle units off of objectives on his own and he's cheaper than a mawkrusha, although nowadays gordrakk and the mawkrusha boss are like 100pts cheaper than they used to be so you could squeeze one of them in instead of the tuskboss if you want to run one

>>98931597
The biggest loss of Warcom stuff was the website redesign/migration around 2020. All articles before that are just gone.

>>98931545
That is a pretty great deal, might try to grab one

>>98931597
>>98931641
What even was the point of doing that

What is best strong list for Nighthaunt

>>98931675
They don't want you to have any way back, you must consume only the recent product. Keep in mind GW makes their money on new players that splash big and burn out quickly and whales that don't care about the price. Veteran players with full armies and hobby rooms full of supplies and tools are GW's worst enemies since they come up with demands while not buying much anymore. That's why WotC and Hasbro butchered and alienated their old MtG playerbase.

>>98931202
>TQ

we dont use seasonal rules or battle tactics at all.

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>>98931604
>>98931629
damn thanks for the tips

>40 ardboyz
I knew this used to be meta but I didn't realize it was still legit with the shield bash grinding
If you're using brutes as objective nabbers do you use the ragerz as your hammers or do the ardboyz serve as the hammer in addition to the anvil? Are the pigs also there to support the brutes in scoring or just as a general fast that exploits openenings? I get they're fast but what do you do with that speed?

And I notice you don't have a priest or a megaboss. I'm guessing the prayer lore just isn't worth taking another 100+ point hero. The megaboss's waagh token passive seems to conditional, is the Brute chain fight ability relevant at all even if you're non-rager brutes are off on the sides?
Do the ragerz even live after the first round after they get their attacks off to take advantage?

>>98931604
I have seen it suggested in a discord to use MSU Wrekkaz as objective grabbers too, since they have the innate ward and can smash infantry that tries coming near

New to AOS. I’ve been reading up on lore and rules. I’ve played some killteam and I started a necron army in 9th. I’m learning blood bowl. All that being said, that’s the extent of my table top wargaming. I want to start an army. Here is what I’m leaning towards, Realm Lords, Kboys, Ossiarch bone boys, maybe tree elves or hedonites. I mean a dwarf army leaning towards overload heavy sounds fun, but I don’t know. I think every army is cool, so rule of cool is out. I am not worried about painting. Thoughts? Suggestions?

>>98931699
Yeah no newbies are going to be looking up warcom articles from years ago, I really don't think that's it

>>98931732
I was looking into Warcry a few weeks back and other sites were linking to warcom for rules. The links were all dead

>>98931730
if every army is cool and you're not worried about painting then what's your concern? playstyle? difficulty? price? availability of models?

I have 40 kairic acolytes unpainted and unbuilt

>>98931740
Probably playstyle. I don’t want to spend the money and the time and find out the army is incredibly boring or going to be squatted by this time next year.

>>98931730
If you're agnostic, Christmas battle forces will come out soon. They are a good value for money though a large single purchase.

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Rate my Ogor skin, been working on this off and on when I'm not exhausted from work or distracted by Deadlock.

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>>98931758

>>98931758
>>98931760
ogor/10

>>98931718
ardboyz i typically throw down the center with the ardboy boss inbetween them. they arent a hammer per se but they're decent enough at combat that they can win against most things that dont manage to kill them just through a mix of mortal damage and 40 attacks at -2 rend.

i'll usually throw the big pigs on one flank, left or right, along with 5 brutes, and then the other 10 brutes on the other flank.

ragers positioning depends on what it looks like my opponent is going to do. if it looks like they're going to swing to fight off the pigs i'll put the ragers over there to support them, but if it looks like they've got some big world ender unit like reinforced chosen or varanguard or something that they're going to just try to mulch the ardboyz with, i'll keep the ragers behind the line for a countercharge to strikesfirst their hammer. makes the opponent play a lot more cagey.

brutes just completely shut off scoring to 80% of scoring units in the game, its amazing in practice. clanrats, plaguebearers, rotswords, horrors, mortek, grot stabbas, nothing short of another elite or cav unit can contest against them, its such a powerful tool

priests and megaboss are both meta, take em if you like em. a guy just went 5-0 with a double priest and megaboss weirdfist army with 2x10 reinforced brutes. its just personal preference that i like my brutes MSU to allow them to bully more objectives. between the brutes shutting down scoring and the ragers and ardboyz hitting at strikes first or faster, its really hard for opponents to find a good attack angle without eating shit on the way in.

the megaboss also got a scourge of aqshy warscroll thats pretty crazy, be sure to check that out too

>>98931732
You spent so much time in the /tg/ bubble you have no idea how clueless and bad at decision-making new players are. Tau sub-plebbit has a counter for how many minutes since the last case of someone cracking a Tau Combat Patrol and not noticing there is a Kill Team sprue inside. Every single WarCom announcement on FB has DOZENS of people asking if they have to paint the Marines blue. People unironically think they MUST replicate the exact built they see on the box cover.

>>98931758
This is pretty good! Smooth and convincing. I have a couple suggestions - tonally, it's a uniform flesh tone, but for more convincing skin you should have variance in the coloring.

So, for example, themiddle of the face and nose should have a red tint. A chest has a brighter yellow tint, while armpits have a purple hue

>>98931760
>>98931758
your cam quality could be better but it looks good to me

>>98931763
out of curiosity what makes the megaboss strong? is it the raw stats or are brutes so good that he turns into a force multiplier with his chain fight?

>>98931207
A narrative game without house rules is just matched play

>>98931749
none of those you listed are likely to get squatted. Kruleboyz is part of a bigger tome that includes Ironjawz but they're p much their own army with their own rules. Destruction armies are notorious for their RNG. Everything they do needs a dice roll cause that's GW's idea of balancing them. KB has decent ranged units and lots of monsters.

GW loves to nerf lumineth every edition but they're always strong and have a lot of "cheating." that is to say that they move and cast spells and shoot when they're normally not supposed to. they love to casts spell. they can be really fighty with bladelords and their cavalry and have pretty good shooting units too. They can bring the giant cow elemental and stone guard for a very tanky list. they're p versatile and even have lots of characters. teclis is an insanely powerful wizard if you want to run him. Keep in mind this army is hell to paint cleanly. Their two spearhead boxes are good. You can even still get their last battleforce if you look hard enough. Their new rules use runes that you change every round and have different effects based on what you chose the round before. Once you memorize their rules and fuckery you could probably overwhelm your opponent.


Ossiarch are pretty versatile and use their discipline points to buff themselves kind of like how kasrkin use to have elite points. it's a resource they can use to maintain flexibility and lean into defense or offense or movement when necessary. They just got some nice new models. They got 2 spearheads this year I think. All of them are good including their original vanguard box if you can still find one.
Dont' know much about tree elves or hedonites personally.

>>98931347
>a womxn
The horror.

Is there any known script that's used or would look good as for necromantic writing? I want to try freehanding some but I don't see any alphabet like there is for Dark Tongue, Elvish, etc.

>>98931846
Just do the right thing and write something silly in english using enochian like "How to raise undead tossers vol.1" or some shit, nobody's gonna know.

>>98931846
There is one, but I'm not allowed to say.

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I refuse to believe people actually buy this pricey shit.

>>98932050
? It's simple maths if you want everything in it.

>>98931202
ever get tired of gooning

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>>98932103
>5 copy-pasted testicle-sized minis and 2 infantry heroes for 83 eurobucks
>Simple maths

>>98932148
Yes that's the standard pricing for GW models now.

>>98932148
>anon is not aware that single foot heroes sell for like $45 each now
A discount is a discount.

>>98932050
£64 for £87 worth, each hero is £25 RRP lmao

>>98932158
>>98932163
Yeah, and this is what I'm ridiculing here.
>>98932184
It's hard to not be greedy when people beg you to be milked.

>>98932191
The only way to win is to not engage with the hobby.

Hearthguard are obviously getting squatted or refreshed, they're the same as Berzerkers in all respects

>>98932203
>they're the same as Berzerkers in all respects
secondary alert

>>98932203
>retarded rambling with no basis in fact
Why are you here?

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Archanon

>>98932203
The level of cope in /aosg/ and on /tg/ in general is insane. At first I thought only the /40kg/ crowd was retarded considering how much in denial they were regarding Manlet Marines genocide but /aosg/ tops them on every level now. How can you see 70% of SCE range getting axed and whole armies being squatted and still think that your army - 50% of it legended and the other 50% souped - will be fine?

>>98932276
>Why aren't you a braindead retard like me? Whyyyyyyy?
Still seething, I see.

>>98932299
LEAVE GW ALONE, THEY ALWAYS HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART AND WOULD NEVER, EVER STAB US IN THE BACK AND DO ANNUAL PRICE HIKES!

>>98932276
>Why can't you see that Ironjawz are doomed? It's over, OVER
>It's so over for Beastclaw, they'll never get new models...Oh they did? It doesn't count reeeeee

>>98932301
Like I said, absolutely seething.

>>98932299
>Still
I'm not even the original poster but the stronghold has to be besieged at any cost it seems.
>>98932305
>Why can't you see that Ironjawz are doomed? It's over, OVER
>It's so over for Beastclaw, they'll never get new models...Oh they did? It doesn't count reeeeee
Imagine being angry about made up scenarios lmao.

>>98932276
>- 50% of it legended
One infantry kit and four foot heroes. For a small army that received a new infantry kit and two new heroes last edition, and a new special character up for pre-order literally today, a net change of -1 hero since 2E. Truly earthshaking.

>>98932325
It's just really obvious at this point that it's one guy that wants to gloat about Fyreslayers being "squatted" and he's furious that no one is biting his bait anymore.

>>98932342
If anything, slayers have always had a home as a Warhammer dwarf subfaction. Coming home to kh just makes them more likely to be maintained within the army

>>98931202
Is that loincloth supposed to be glued to her skin, or how does it stay on?

>>98932387
>maintained
By having 50% of their units nuked?
Yeah, wonderful.

>>98932387
>Coming home to kh
The broken buck trying to salvage another GW mistake. Pitiful!

>>98932387
If anything, generic Greenskinz have always had a home as a Warhammer Orcs subfaction. Coming home to Legends just makes them more likely to be maintained as an army

Why would you use ironjawz as an example when nothing of ours was squatted when we got shoved next to kruleboyz

>>98932447
Who mentioned Ironjawz?

>>98932396
The more you post this, the more obvious it is you don't play Fyreslayers, btw.

>>98931760
>>98931758
Josh?

>>98931206
Another foot hero. Sorry but that's the truth, matey

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What’s next for disciples of tzeentch?

I do kinda want reavers to get redone so their bows have strings in them.

>>98931206
Hopefully rules that let me enjoy playing them again.

>>98932503
daemons squatted
new centerpiece
three foot heroes

>>98932466
>nooo don't criticize daddy GW!!!

>>98932450
See
>>98932305
>>98932325
Now, I wasn’t here for third when the merge happened so I dunno if the doomer posts happened and were sincere, but I don’t think even in that case it’d be comparable to FS players concerned about stuff being squatted

>>98932519
>daemons squatted
Aside from the loc right? That’s the only one that matters, I can make the rest out of spare sprues
>new centerpiece
Please
>three foot heroes
Fuck I’d take them if it’s as customizable as that one sorcerer kit for 40K.

>>98932533
loc gone, replaced my GoC (girlboss of color) centerpiece
all three heroes are monopose

>>98932523
Seething AND incoherent, impressive.

>>98932503
asian boy princesses are peak

>FS players concerned about stuff being squatted
Vulkites were already redundant and FS STILL have a ton of foot heroes. They're also probably the easiest faction in the game to proxy heroes as other heroes with. The impact for anyone who actually plays Fyreslayers is barely noticeable.

The main heartburn people had was Fyreslayers actually being removed from the game, which souping them with KH makes basically a non-issue. The chances of Fyreslayers ever breaking out as a separate army again are basically nonexistent, but they'll stick around.

>>98932184
Foot hero prices are gw's most ridiculous ones. They're truly insane.

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>>98932565
>I don't play Fyreslayers and have never seen one of their models in real life but let me tell you about how you should feel about your faction getting squatted. Stop overreacting geez.

>>98932590
You don't play Fyreslayers and I do, but nice try.

>>98932147
no he doesn’t
>>98932148
>>98932256
and with this cutie posting I see why

>>98932596
Ah you're that one guy who gunt guards GW at every turn and claims to be a player of X faction depending on the topic but you would never ever ever ever ever ever post that army you're a veteran of.

>>98932590
>>98932596
only one way to settle this
post models

>>98932618
That never works. Any of the far and few Fyreslayer players - like myself, if NTA for any posts in this thread, could post armies, books and materials from old editions and anyone could say "You bought that on Ebay!/You made that timestamp with AI!/FAKE FAN! FAKE GROG! GW LOVES FYRESLAYERS STOP YOUR NAYSAYING!". This is a no-win situation, as usual.

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Wait, Flameseekers can be reinforced? Can literally any other warcry unit be or are they unique like that?

>>98932626
Posting models is net-positive for the thread, let's not be silly with these excuses. State the real reason; you either don't want to or don't have the models.

>>98932628
I think most if not all of them can be. It's a recent change.

>>98932628
Alot of models been given reinforcements in the last annual, same with CoS being able to reinforce their grenadiers. Plus also Flameseekers are the default battleline for FS, so it'd feel bad if you couldn't now that berzerkers are out.

>>98932632
And if I posted my models you would be screaming that I stole them from Reddit or Google Image Search. I've played this game and there is no winning against the GW Defense Force and spergs.

>>98932607
>Still LARPING
Pitiful, honestly.

I started Fyreslayers in 2018 by buying the SC box four times. I only bought one SC box initially, but I liked my little guys so much I immediately doubled down. They weren't my first army, Deepkin are what got me interested in AoS initially, but Fyreslayers were my first fully painted army. They've been my favorite AoS army ever since.

>>98932637
ok post your four magmadroths then

>>98932637
Nice.
Did you paint them in specific lodge colors, or your own? Do you happen to have pictures of them? No biggie if you don't.

>>98932628
Recent change, and not just for Fyreslayers. Keep in mind they were reinforceable initially, it was release 4E that decided to remove it from all Warcry bands for some dumb reason.

>>98932637
Post models, LARPer.

>>98932276
>How can you see 70% of SCE range getting axed
This never happened

>>98932645
I was extremely brand new to model painting at the time, so I was using Duncans guides for the default Vostarg look. I also just really like the orange hair to be honest.

I've messed around with doing some black haired slayers here and there, and one of my droths is Black instead of Red. I've always really liked the blue flame/snow bases look some people do, or the Blond guys.

>>98932651
You first bro. Or you can tell me about your personal experiences with Fyreslayers that you totally have.

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>>98932668
nta but here's my magmadroth

>>98932209
They were released at the same time? There's no reason every 1e kit was squatted except them and the Magmadroth

>>98932661
I get that, especially the blackbeards, surprised you also did not try some Iron Dwarfs from Warcraft. Personally got FS for super cheap recently and getting around to start painting them, thinking of Sigyorn's scheme with MAYBE blue loinclothes to match my Cities of Sigmar.

How do you usually run your FS anyway?

>>98932673
kino

>>98932674
Fyreslayers have been retconned into the elite arm of khazalites, a basic chaff(esque) infantry doesn't fit that conceptualization. Also vulkites have been panned harder than hearthguard.

>>98932718
>retconned
No idea why I used that word, just changed nothing retroactive about it

>>98932718
And that's why they squatted four heroes?

>>98932726
Look, not him, but GW work in mysterious ways. Like why squat Grimwrath Berzerker when he perfectly represents FS in their current state?

>>98932668
>You need personal experience with an army to be able to tell what is GW's policy on rotating their model range to keep sales high
Post models dummy.

>>98932743
So you don't play Fyreslayers, like I said from the beginning.

>>98932726
They decided the subfaction having only twice as many foot heroes as the entire rest of the army was good enough.

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>NOOOO STOP BEING A DOOMER ABOUT FYRESLAYERS
Every kit should be refreshed after Flameseekers mogged everything else

You still haven't posted your 4 magmadroth classic army by the way.

>>98932777
Because he doesn't own shit. He might not even have any minis period.

>>98932773
the magmadroth shouldn't be refreshed simply because refreshing everything instead of adding new stuff will doom them to have a small roster once again

>>98932773
Blonde beards shouldn't work this well on FS

>>98932503
Made for BiWiSi

>>98932754
>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
I kneel, schizo-LARPer-sama.

>>98932802
Small rosters should be the standard. Profiles bloat is pure cancer. Battletomes should have no more than 12-15 profiles per army.

>>98932654
Yeah, it was more like 80%

>>98932823
>Small rosters should be the standard.
wrong
>Profiles bloat is pure cancer.
true

>12-15 profiles per army
fyreslayers launched with 3 kits and 3 small heroes, pretending they're more profiles than that is retarded

I don’t want a dwarf edition ever again

>>98932726
Subfactions don't need 8 foot heroes (11 if you count the magmadroth extra builds)

when you think about it really, we just traded an extra battleline unitt and a few foot heroes, but in return we got the golems we've been asking for for 4 editions straight, some artillery, and if you put a runedaddy on the boat we got a new lavaboat too.

overall i'd say fyreslayers came out ahead, even if you ignore all of the kromdron infantry and heroes. plus almost everything in the book runs on the khazalites keyword instead of the grimmdron or kromdron keywords, so most of the new guys and army rules and traits play well with thee fyreslayers stuff too. this isnt like a spiderfang situation where the subfaction is just a useless appendix of half forgotten retirement home residents waiting to be squatted that are keyword bingo'd out of most of the army. they actually feel integrated mechanically

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How long do you have to wait before it's good to sand after applying tamiya cement? I'm working on fusing some seams and waiting is a pain in the ass.

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>2-piece torsos, separate flat-joint arms and legs (each pair with unique details)
>separate pauldrons, each with unique icon design or empty with space for decals
>Two times more heads than you need, each unique of course
>additional "backpack" bits
>4 (four) weapon configurations
>every single bit is interchangeable
People may shit on Fatcasts aesthetic but kits like original Liberators were amazing. Compared with the awful monopose sprues that came after them, they were true followers of the best kit design principles.

>>98932879
At least 12 hours I say. I always recommend to wait overnight before you work with parts glued with plastic glue.

>>98932389
it's bolted on

>>98931846
Start with Egyptian hieroglyphs and just cut em up to make em vaguely resemble letters

>>98932503
>Warhammer IP
>Tzeench getting attention
lol
Lmao

>>98931846
GW never released transfer sheets with Azyrite letters so I simply took script decals from the CSM transfer sheet and flipped them 180 degrees.

>>98932896
I kinda forgot liberators used to have a sword option

>>98932931
back then they still tried to give kits weapon options. Wild.

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>>98932931
Was the coolest option tbhondesu

>>98932843
Don't worry, next edition GW's going to release just 3 monopose foot heroes (1 each for KO, KH and Helsmiths). Focus on getting hyped for Aelf soup when Battletomes: Aelfneth Quèéndommes is previewed and GW announces that half of the ranges for Lrl, Idk, DoK and Sylvaneth is going Legends.

>>98932955
>hyped for Aelf
I already am
I want Kurnothi

>>98932959
> that spoiler
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll make a shitty AoR for your two favorite units.

>>98932931
Simple math made them inferior to Hammer. To-hit bonuses were more common than to-wound, Lay Low the Tyrants was giving +1 to Hit as well. Having +3/+3 is better than +2/+4.

>>98933004
WAACFAG!
Swords are simply cooler, Vanquishers are proof of this

>>98932939
I think it could work on the lither (more lithe?) thunderstrike but with fatcast it kinda felt wrong, they're so broad you really want a big bashing stick instead

>>98933004
I forgot what double weapons did. Reroll 1s to hit?

>>98932843
5th will be an elf edition babyyy

>>98933113
>5th Edition Starter Set
>Khazalite Holds vs Kurnothi
>New Vulkite Berzerkers
>Khazalite Ranger unit
>Thorgrim-aligned Grudgebearer Gholems
>Khazalite Priestess of Valaya hero
>VS
>Kurnothi Centaur cavalry unit
>Kurnothi Elf javelin equipped skirmishers
>Kurnothi Elf spear and shield infantry
>Kurnothi Centaur Hero
>Kurnothi Elf Sorceress hero

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>>98933155
I WOULD CONSUME

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>>98933155
Welcome back fury of the deep

>>98933155
>Thorgrim-aligned Grudgebearer Gholems
This I like

>>98933113
>soup all aelves in a single book
>legends Dryads
>legends treelords
>legends revenants
>legends soulscryer
>legends soulrender
>legends thrallmaster
>legends Reavers
>legends Witch elfs/sisters
>legends gladiatrix
>legends cauldrons
>legends khinerai
>legends balista
>legends bladelors
>legends bannerblade
>legends loreseeker
>legends calligrave
>legends faction terrains
>1 named foot hero
>but hey, at least they added kurnothi to hunters and Belthanos
>it doesn't do shit, but they added it

>>98933113
I, for one, am excited for the witch elf refresh that will make them all look like mannish bulldykes, clad in sexless heavy plate, and swathed in thick cloth to cover any immodest ankles or wrists.

Don't know why people are bitching about the new Khaza rifleman unit. With Auric Hearthguard in the tome you've no need to ever bring them.

i've never built a magmadrotth, how intact is the actual droth itself under the harness? like if i wanted the creature on its own with no harness are we talking about having to resculpt the entire back and sides or is it pretty much fully formed?

sigdex is updated with the new khazalite holds if anyone wants to play around witth listbuilding

I read so much cultivation and reincarnation/regression slop that I can’t help but love Stormcast

>>98933285
>I read so much cultivation
Thoughts on Lumineth?

>>98931398
Sweet.

>>98932922
He’s been getting some love recently surprisingly enough. Boltgun and Space Marine 2 for example. Could definitely use more though.

>>98933247
There's a huge hole in it's back where the saddle is supposed to go.

>>98933211
That reminds me, I need to buy more boxes of the current witch elves before they become illegal in Bongland

>>98933292
Yes

>>98933579
Blood hags already severely damaged by faith in future DoK releases.
>Here's your shitty single-build, monopose kit with absolutely no extras on the sprues - save for an arm if you choose to build the banner.
>Oh, by the way, did we mention we also undermined the spirit and fucked up the aesthetic of the faction?
I know you hate attractive women and their skin, GW. You don't need to rub it in my face.

>>98933211
They won't be refreshed. They'll be moved to Legends alongside the Cauldron kit. You'll play Umbraneth Shadowlords and you'll enjoy a Regiment of Renown with Melusai and Khinerai.

>>98933183
Who would get the named foot hero?

>>98932931
You could mix and match weapon arms and hands from other kits too. You could use hand axes or short swords frol vanguard hunters, great axes or greatswords or javelins from prosecutors. It was really great for making your liberators unique.

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>>98933155
>>Khazalite Priestess of Valaya hero
Yes please

>>98934151
You have your priestesses of Valaya in the Guardians.

What do you do with your old battletomes? Do you trash them, sell them, treasure them or just forget about them?

>>98934134
Lumineth, of course. They'll be the poster faction after all.

>>98934302
I can’t imagine there are people that just throw stuff away in this hobby. You either hold onto it for sentimental value or sell it.

>>98934151
That has absolutely nothing to do with valaya

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Any idea where I can find a list of Start Collecting box battalions? I thought going through unboxing videos and articles may be the way but 90% of them don't even mention the battalion rules included, not that I'm surprised.

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>>98933247
It looks like this.

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>>98934435
You can put something else on its back. I just thought of something.

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>>98931375
>>98931398
Don't tell me that there are fan rules for Chaos Miao Ying, after that mod i would not even be surprised.

>>98934426
Why does the std one randonlt have have the logo plastered on the top when it's at the bottom in every other box.
Triggers the tism

>>98934476
It's a mix of various edition boxes and special runs like the city boxes.

>>98934426
Start collecting had a lot of great boxes but the beastmeme one is just ridiculous

>>98933686
I quite like the Blood Hags actually

>>98934511
It was quite amazing, I bought three back then. Pestilens one was ridiculously good as well - 50EUR for a Screaming Bell, Warp Lightning Cannon and 20 Monks was simply a steal.

>>98933155
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

>>98934515
>I like eating shit actually
No one asked

>>98934535
>No one asked
I know. Don't really care though :B

>>98934515
I think they're not bad but are wrongfully characterized as elite witch elves when they should've been the exact opposite.
Also the sword option of the lesder mogs the bidents to high heaven they should've given everyone a sword option.

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We tried to warn you.
It's fine you said.
Just paint the pants like skin you said.

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Who do these keep pretending you don't get a second foot model if you build the son or father droth?

>>98934142
I'm giving Liberators' spare great weapons to my ETB Prosecutors since ETB Prosecutor Prime has flat arm joints so they fit perfectly. I'm tempted to give some Judicators' spare bows just for the rule of cool as well. People called SCE "land Marines" like it was a bad thing. I hope they are happy with their monopose armies now.

>>98934595
Lel I remember those debates
Total doomer victory on this one I'm afraid

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>>98934601
>100EUR
To think that some retards will look at this and unironically claim it's all good and reasonable because of """iNfLaTiOn""".

>>98934610
Magmadroths were always overpriced outside of the start collecting, which was amazing value by contrast.
Price hikes certainly don't help. Ironically it took half the faction getting squatted but they finally have a fantastic spearhead now.

>>98934610
>>98934612
Iirc they were €85 on launch, which would be €113 now ten years later.

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>This kit can alternatively be built as a halberd-wielding Thrynn on War Throne, with her own distinct set of powerful abilities.
>her
Oh nononono

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>>98934612
>fantastic spearhead
I will not consider any Spearhead that comes with a Warcry leftover warband "fantastic". They just push the dead stock before the TLW purge.
>NOOO STOP DOOM POSTING, GW WOULD NEVER SQUAT MY HECKING WARBANDERINOOO
Just screencap this and be honest enough to come here in 9 months when new edition launches and we get new indices.

>>98934621
I always wanted the flameseekers but never got around to it so for me it's perfect.

>>98934616
>Iirc they were €85 on launch
Too expensive back then, too expensive now.
>which would be €113 now ten years later
Lmao, people taking the greedflation bait are simply hilarious.

>>98934624
Well yea I agree, these things have always been expensive overpriced pieces of plastic despite looking great.

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Here's the festus I bought back on release and have only since finished painting. The mount is currently primed and curing but with an airbrush he should not take long. I'm not sure what to paint him though. Maybe black-blue?

>>98934617
After an anon told me a long time ago that halberds with shields dont make any sense, I couldn't unsee chaos warriors or shit like that dwarf and have since built all my chaos warriors with with hand-weapons

>>98934621
>squatting warbands
do you mean in warcry or or in AOS? I don't see a reason for them squat them in AOS. A lot of them find success in AoS as tech pieces of scouts like claws of karanak or the Riverblades. Why wouldn't they continue selling them with AoS packaging?

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>>98934636
They can give a named character 4 weapon options for no reason at all but the custom /yourdude/ leader? Nah

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>>98934636
And here's Anara from the Lumineth UW kit that I got for "cheap" at my LGS. it was pretty rough at first getting all the basecoats down and the whites to look decent. The blindfolded guy is gonna be a pain but the other 2 shouldn't be an issue. Happy with how it turned out and I'm quite proud of how fast I was able to do all the highlights

I gave up on the eyes after repainting the face twice.

>>98934636
>Why wouldn't they continue selling them with AoS packaging?
For the very same reason they squatted most StD Warbands, all Underworlds kits, many old ETB kits, big chunk of SCE kits and a few armies altogether - thye have limited production capacity, prioritize multi-selling kits over the single-purchase ones and force models rotation to keep the sales going.

>>98934645
oh yeah I see your point. Well at the very least you can proxxy them as heroes...

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>>98934645
>many old ETB kits,
I miss em

>>98934621
>Just screencap this and be honest enough to come here in 9 months when new edition launches and we get new indices.
I will actually, start drafting your apology post right now anon

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>>98934648
>Well at the very least you can proxxy them as heroes
Well that's true for almost everything but what we are discussing is the decision-making process on the company's side.
People got too accustomed with fixing GW's shitty decisions and mistakes with house rules, proxying etc. Almost none of the Warhammer games was ever good compared with non-GW games, AoS 2e and Warcry being exceptions here.
The main and arguably only advantage of Warhammer games over non-GW games is how popular and homogenised the game environment is. The game is shit BUT you can grab your army, travel 5000km away and still play the very same shitty game at different LGS out of the box. The moment you start to alter any of the GW's rulesets you may as well switch to any far more superior game.

>>98934617
>he's still going on about this
bruh

>>98934665
>but what we are discussing is the decision-making process on the company's side
Well maybe you are

>>98934684
>Why wouldn't they continue selling them with AoS packaging?
Yes we are, unless you want to be obtuse on purpose.

>>98934687
Well maybe I do

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>>98934689
Baka-senpai, I kneel. I wasn't familiar with your game, fr fr no cap.

>>98934636
>After an anon told me a long time ago that halberds with shields dont make any sense
they can make sense when it comes to walking up to the enemy, you still want a shield against arrows.
Not as much in full plate but still.

>>98934720
>you still want a shield against arrows
No you don't. Halberds became popular in mass formations when plate body armour became cheaper and wide-spread. They were often employed in pikemen formations since dense pikes formation served as a screen for arrows.

>>98934729
No one tell him!
Hoplites

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>>98934740
>Spears and halberds are the same
Ah, it's a bait then.

>>98934645
This logic makes sense for like iron golems or splintered fang but not for flameseekers, hunters of huanchi, gorgers, etc. They're just normal units now, there's no reason gw would treat them differently compared to non "originally warcry" units.
The only ones I can see being at risk are weirdos like the Askurgan trueblades which don't fit their faction at all and probably sell like shit to boot.

>>98934621
Warcry is as much as risk as anything else, except UW warbands which are sure to go. GW should squat those irregular kits without proper wargame structures but AoS is a board game at this point so it doesn't matter. TOW sealed the deal for that.

>>98934748
Trying Too Hard.

>>98934729
>dense pikes formation
anon, chaos warriors are dense only in different ways

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>>98934610
RETVRN
>2016 £36 at 25% off at my lgs
>2026 £72 at 25% off at my lgs
FYI average UK consumer price rise is 30%~ over 10 years kek absolute Jews

>>98934753
To do what? UW were never intended to be sold continuously

>>98934440
>>98934621
>>98934665
>>98934610
Delicious…

>>98934759
to bully aos
we don't appreciate the obvious hostility so go back to /wfg/ before the mods show up

>>98934748
>but AoS is a board game at this point so it doesn't matter. TOW sealed the deal for that.
I shouldn't indulge the bait but I must.
Wtf does that mean?

>>98934665
>we
We?

>>98934426
I have a few. Quite nostalgic!
gofile io/d/GTVThxdh

>>98934766
Wargame kits have options, because they matter given the options afforded units.
A board game usually doesn't. AoS doesn't have rules for options, it has new kits entirely without, etc. Warcry is a literal skirmish game and the later kits, including Flameseekers, lack the diversity of even 1e Warcry kits.
There's nothing wrong with the distinction but it's there. TOW is firmly in the camp of a wargame with kits providing options, rules reflecting that, etc. I presume GW would deliberately diversify their games instead of
>Fantasy wargame
>Fantasy wargame, but with round bases

>>98934617
You're a day late >>98931347

>>98934778
aos is no different to whfb infact it is more sophisticated
youd know if you played it

>>98934778
We've an actual, genuine, born and raised retard over here lads!

>>98934778
Warcry kits always come with options, nomodels. Including the very flameseekers that you mentioned.
Tow's releases come with less options than aos these days, have you seen the chaos warriors?

>>98934780
I provided an actual source from the store page so suffah.

>>98934766
aos doesn't simulate anything, it's an abstract game aka board game
>stand in circle statistic instead of bravery
>once per (army)
>command abilities issued by the player rather than models
>rally resurrection
autistic but I understand the categorisation

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>>98934789
yeah you could make multiple warscrolls from them
they mog new tow kits lmao look at tomb kings build options

>>98934775
Thank you Anon. I was trying to help myself with Lexicanum and TCRepo but the deeper I get into my Battle Bible project the more I realize how patchy and decentralized the 1st edition was. It didn't strike me as much back then but now 10 years later it is quite a hassle to even determine a list of contents, not to mention finding said content.

>>98934621
>I will not consider any Spearhead that comes with a Warcry leftover warband "fantastic".
Retard.

>>98934804
Yeah, people just didn't care about "narrative" content (pre GHB). I was puzzled to discover even compendium pdfs were a little hard to find a few years ago.

>>98934778
Retard, if anything it's the opposite. Necromunda is gw's most customizable game.
Back to /twg/ with you

>>98934813
Do you happen to have 1st edition compendiums as well? I'm quite sure GW released compendiums for Brets, TKs etc but I can only retrieve the Legends compendiums through the web archive.

>>98934819
Didn't they remove all of the band customization in favor of Underworlds style "pick this prebuilt group"?

>>98934860
I have no idea, but looking at the newest releases there still seem to be lots of options so I'm going to assume not

>>98934595
What the fuck is this?

>>98934829
gofile io/d/eNil0Xmg
This is what I have, not sure if it's everything

>>98934515
This anon >>98934586 more or less has the right of it. The elite infantry being the most heavily armoured flies in the face of what the DoK are about. Blood hags should have been called "initiates" or something, and they should have been a defensive (probably chaff) unit.
Elite infantry for the DoK should wear little to no armour, but be decorated in elaborate (and impractical) finery and garments. Give them veils or flowing strips of silk that trail behind them - really play up the whole "brides of Khaine" thing -, and a weapon that emphasizes mastery and bloodletting.

>>98934595
Awful kit to put together. It's only saving grace is that it's super easy to scrape the detail of their tops off and sculpt exposed breasts over, since the corsets frame them so nicely.

>>98934621
>I'm a retard and I insist on being a retard
Okay, retard. Flameseekers are literally the best Fyreslayer kit right now, best looking and most useful to boot.

>>98934645
>prioritize multi-selling kits over the single-purchase ones
This is just another reason they would keep the Warcry kits, they're all designed now as normal units that you can run loads of and they're very popular.

>>98934778
>Warcry is a literal skirmish game and the later kits, including Flameseekers, lack the diversity of even 1e Warcry kits
This is one of the most retarded, blatantly untrue things I've ever seen anyone post here, which is saying a lot for TG.

>>98934987
He overplayed his hand way too quick with this one. Easily could've stretched out his bit for another dozen or so replies but flew too close to the sun

>>98934977
Good for them, I hope FS players stay happy and healthy. It does not change the fact that Flameseekers are a Warcry warband and will get axed with the 5th edition release, just like all Warcry bands.
>>98934983
>they're all designed now as normal units that you can run loads of and they're very popular
I can see that with 40k Kill Team but AoS started to do that only recently I assume? Gorgers were clearly an existing unit update but other than than only Questor Soulsworn strike me as a "real" unit.

>>98934990
Hunters of huanchi, cos wildercorps, ydrilan riverblades, and maybe pyregheists are also perfectly normal units. The FEC and KB ones are a more of a grey area, as are the monogod chaos ones.
The normalish warbands far outnumber the gimmick ones at this point.
You still haven't explained why they'd treat these guys any different by the way. They've just been recycled into aos proper.

>>98934796
Anon you can swap the heads of the weapons, even by Fyreslayers standards that's the bare minimum. Let's not get ahead of ourselves now.

>>98934990
>Good for them, I hope FS players stay happy and healthy. It does not change the fact that Flameseekers are a Warcry warband and will get axed with the 5th edition release, just like all Warcry bands.
None of the Warcry Warbands will get axed with the 5E edition release and you'll be hiding in nine months instead of admitting you're a fucking idiot.
>Gorgers were clearly an existing unit update but other than than only Questor Soulsworn strike me as a "real" uni
Flameseekers are a real unit. So are Hunters of Huachi, who literally replaced the old Chameleon kit. Riverblades, Wildcorp Hunters, etc etc.

Literally, LITERALLY the only squatted Warcry Bands are the old STD bands, and mostly just because they had 10x as many as they needed. Even then STD still has two Warcry Bands.

>>98934987
he's right? darkoath savagers have arms for everything but Flameseekers only have weapon tops >>98934796
copium gw have been lazy

should I try aos?
are any of the battleforce good start?

1st edition warcry units were squatted but c'mon guys GW wouldn't do that again! They've finished squatting now.

>>98935010
>STD still has two Warcry Bands
It has one which will unironically be squatted with the 5th refresh lmao

>>98935027
Name one non-STD Warcry Warband that has been squatted.

>>98935024
Why do weapon swaps suddenly not count?

>>98935026
If you don't know how AoS plays then start with spearhead, since it is AoS light. The box is smaller too, just pick whatever you like on the first glance

>>98935028
>It has one
Moron
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/slaves-to-darkness-chaos-legionaires-2025
https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/spearhead-slaves-to-darkness-darkoath-raiders-2024

>I gotta DOOOOM
you guys suck leave gw alone no one wants to hear this

>>98935040
>You can't just point out that I'm retarded! Stop simping for GW!

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>>98935031
Compare

>>98935052
this has exactly the same number of options as >>98934796
you're retarded

unless you're using some ancient ass WHFB kits it's pretty safe to say you have nothing to worry about unless you see your army refreshed which is NOT squatting

>>98934515
I dont. They are a pure contradiction to how battletomes present khainites and their culture. Someone at the studios did not care when creating them. Like... at all. Even their warscroll is completely off what the unit description tells us. That warscroll is NOT "elite" in any way, even if we ignore the mini aesthetics. It is just a mess all around

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>>98935087
Except the flameseekers have no head options and the darkoath weapons have way more variety

>>98935071
Better get used to it, current AoS team is completely different from AoS team few editions ago and they have vastly different idea of what AoS should be from previous editions.

>>98935070
Were are my refreshed Sequitors, Castigators and Paladins? No, Annihilators are not Paladins and they look fucking awful.

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>>98935142
>Castigators
we really pretending people liked these?

>>98935144
Not the point dummy.

>>98935087
The one hand options provide four build options instead of two tbf

>>98935144
I do, but it's ok if I am the minority.

>>98935129
head options are irrelevant? we're talking about build options not cosmetic details retard

>>98935144
I loved the alchemical bomb aspect but D3 attacks instead of D3 damage was always anti-thematic.
Paladins with holy bombs is peak.