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>>98956439>Incredibly drunk>Look at GW prices on their store (australian)>Absolutely taking the pissIt is morally correct to steal from bri'ish owned stores after they deported my ancestors here 230+ years ago because they are still raping my bloodline to this day
>>98956443If nothing else, it's good to keep up the family tradition, convict-spawn.
>>98956446I am my fathers son
>Champions of Chaos aspire to become daemon princes>Princes being the heir/sons to kings in a monarchy>However there are no daemon kings, lords, dukes, arch dukes, knights, barons, or viscounts>Daemon princes also cannot inherent more power if they live long enough like real princes, or are in line to inherent demonic realms or powerI dunno I don't get why ascended people who become daemons are called princes, there must be a better name for them. Or we get an overhaul of daemonic ascension with deamon barons, daemon kings, daemon lords, and daemon knights associated with the strength of the daemon.Or just rename them deamon kings, as the ultimate sovereigns under the chaos gods like kings are to gods irl
>>98956439Eldar. Sold them for space marines. Eventually bought them again
>>98956455The question would then be:>What is a daemon prince? Are they personally selected by a chaos god to be ascended to daemonhood>Can anyone be demonic? If I a human OD on souls/warp what would that make me? A daemon / daemon prince etc>Limited vocabulary of GW; are GW capable of using different language and terminology to differentiate warp beings
>>98956461>What is a daemon prince? Are they personally selected by a chaos god to be ascended to daemonhoodThat seems to be the case, champions catching the eye of their god and being rewarded for some great deed.But some newer BL books do imply powerful independent daemons (that havent been mentioned by that specific name in fluff since the realms of chaos books back in the day) can be corrupted and drawn into the service of one of the big four. But those same daemons can also break free of that gods influence or be poached by another of the big four.Then there's Vashtorr who can poach a daemon from any other chaos gods if they make a pact with him and become a soul grinder. So daemons loyalty to a god seems to be more fluid than they first seem.However GW doesn't know if daemon princes can be undivided or not, half the time saying Belakor is the only undivided prince in history.
>>98956455IIRC "Demon Princes" are basically petty nobility/landed gentry/armigers in the demonic heirarchy, and can't realistically climb the ladder for various reasons.
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!Are you guys having games this weekend?
>>98956439My first is Chaos Daemons Undivided, second is Chaos Marines.
>>98956461>Can anyone be demonic? If I a human OD on souls/warp what would that make me? A daemon / daemon prince etcWell realms of chaos says anything can become an independent daemon, from humans, xenos, plantery spirits, rivers, creeks and stones. So ODing on the Warp should make you an independent daemon if it doesnt just destroy you
>>98956461>Can anyone be demonic? If I a human OD on souls/warp what would that make me? A daemon / daemon prince etcThere is notoriously an imperial noblewoman who ate three Keepers of Secrets and got promoted by Slaanesh mostly to get her to stop
>>98956455I was under the impression that when it comes to title, a Greater Demon is the next rank up in authority over a Demon Prince. Raw power-wise, the Demon Primarchs are a Prince variant and seem to match Greater Demons, but they’re a special case by nature.
So what do we do for list building now. Using the warhammer app is poison
>>98956512Pen and paper baby!
>>98956509Interchangeable at some point depending on their power>Daemon prince regularly dab's on greater daemons>Does that make him a Greater Daemon?For me a DP is a non-warp species elevated, GD's are event/emotion born species but it is my opinion
>>98956515Is waha still up at least?
>>98956512Pen and paper, maybe Excel if you're a son of Gorillaman
>>98956461>What is a daemon prince? Are they personally selected by a chaos god to be ascended to daemonhoodA daemon prince is a mortal who was granted princedom by a chaos god, making them a daemon with all the benefits and drawbacks that entails. Yes, they are personally selected by the chaos god in question. Ultimate goal of vast majority of chaos worshippers is ascendance in this manner because you become immortal and extremely powerful.You also lose your free will, become nothing more than a subservient part of another being, and are bound to be used as a pawn in the Great Game for eternity. But who's counting.
>>98956516>For me a DP is a non-warp species elevated, GD's are event/emotion born species but it is my opinionGreater daemons are born from their god, they are an metaphysical part of their god, like your fingers are apart of you. Greater daemons are not a seperate species, just more power of their god channeled into a single being that can be unmade any instant the god who created them wills it.>>98956509>Greater Demon is the next rank up in authority over a Demon PrinceSee I thought a deamon prince is the more or less equal to a greater deamon. If you ascend to demonhood you could become equal to their greatest minions.
>>98956522>You also lose your free will, become nothing more than a subservient part of another being, and are bound to be used as a pawn in the Great Game for eternity.They say that, but surely if you're aligned enough with, say, Nurgle that he elevates you to Demon Princehood, you weren't planning on doing anything contrary to his goals in the Great Game anyway and your "free will" is redundant, so what's the loss?
4th edition supremacy.
>>98956531Well, now you can't change your mind about things and be redeemed.
>>98956530>Greater daemons are born from their god, they are an metaphysical part of their god, like your fingers are apart of you. Greater daemons are not a seperate species, just more power of their god channeled into a single being that can be unmade any instant the god who created them wills it.Yes potentially, however can a greater daemon be born independent of a god and be raised to one (see Fantasy Belakor, 40k belakor is gay)>>98956533You dropped this king
>>98956530I think the confusion comes from the fact that each god seems to have their own system. In Dark Imperium, Nurgle has a numbered system of who’s his favorite guy but it seems to be restricted to demons who were Neverborn from the start. Typhus is a Champion and one of Nurgle’s top guys, and he shit talks Kugath and Morty all the time despite them both being top Demons.
>>98956537Greater Demons who aren’t aligned like Belakor and Vashtorr seem to be more minor gods, only holding onto lesser titles cause of the raw power gap. Though I imagine GW may be hesitant to go down that route since it’d mean Perturabo and Lorgar are functionally minor gods and thus not technically equal to other Demon Primarchs.
You know what fuck it. I'm statting up my favorite minis as 40,000 gold warbands to finally play The Most Dangerous Game competitively with the locals. I'll have to make some custom terrain for them but that'll be fun. Hail Eris. Fuck GW.
>>98956536Allegedly Morty can be redeemed, so that doesn't necessarily seem to be the case, either. Isn't there a Stormcast in AoS who used to work for Nurgle as well?
>>98956537Yeah warp entities spawn out of the warp presence of mortal minds in the material space (maybe exceptions?) The Chaos Gods are just the strongest of these warp entities, 3 of them from unnamed events. Vashtorr is an example of a lesser warp entity that was likely spawned by the human dark age of technology.The exception I mentioned though, is apparently now there are just non-daemon entities native to the warp like Mutalith Vortex Beasts, so it’s possible they could create warp entities too.
>>98956537Fantasy Belakor was the first daemon prince. Very early on I don't even know if he was suppose to be undivided, since it was Tzeentch that punished him and locked him up to crown the Everchosen, but never to be one himself.
>>98956439>tqEldar->IG->GSC->DAI sold my guard when getting stationed overseas as I didn’t have to room to keep them. Now I’m too sober to paint another horde army so I army swapped the GSC for DA and I’m way happier about it.>>98956548Have they ever explained how non-aligned warp deamons manifest, or how they or some mortals become non-aligned greater deamons?
I think it’d be cool if they went all in on alternate rules for models for supplements. Like stick an illegal war gear combo on a model to fit an alternate datasheet that represents some nice character or title.
