Have you ever stopped to think about the morals of the hobby?I converted Catholicism a while ago and I've been slowly growing less fond of it; particularly after a priest told me that collecting toys wasn't a good thing to do (I had no clue how to confess so I just threw in whatever I thought was necessary to confess).I still love toys and it's one of the few things I don't resent about modernity/industrial society, but when I think that the money I spent on Beyblade could be used on buying food for the poor or just to gift them to children who love toys as much as I do but lack the funds, I can't help but feel guilty.I have a bunch of figures from various lines, and I know that, for example, I wouldn't be doing good by me nor a random kid, if I gifted them one of my import figures since they exist in a weird middle ground between display piece, fidget toy, and action figure. They are meant to be handled by adults or by very well-socialized kids, but you wouldn't bring them to the park to take them on adventures, throw them in the mud, leave on a bench, etc.I could start with my Transformers, but due to various reasons when I was picking up some speed in my purchases, a lot of them are limited releases or imports.I feel a bit at a loss, so I've stopped buying anything in a while. I plan to buy the upcoming Armada Jetfire, but I kind of have no enthusiasm about it anymore. It's just to complete my favorite set.
>>11768821notldr rest
For the record, they praise statues, necklaces, and pieces of wood. They celebrate Christmas too, you know, the holiday where you get toys.
>>11768852>For the record, they praise statues, necklaces, and pieces of wood.Icons, rosaries, and relics aren't exactly playthings.>They celebrate Christmas too, you know, the holiday where you get toys.Receiving toys is more of a bonus than a core feat of Christmas, where we are called to be close to Christ. If I could put that money to good use by giving toys to children who can't afford it, at least within my family.
>>11768886*If I could put that money to good use by giving toys to children who can't afford it, at least within my family, that would be preferable, but I still want toys for myself.I didn't finish the sentence.
>>11768821No.YOLO
>>11768821>I converted CatholicismI'm sorry to hear that. You're being lied to.The entire religion is built on lies and only propagates them to enrich those at the top. They use your guilt as a weapon and ensnare you in a vicious cycle by forcing shame upon you. They use fear and doubt to keep you in line while offering intangible rewards as compensation for compliance. They claim their book is good because it's says to help the poor and needy and less fortunate, but the majority of them actively hurt those very people unless they specifically align with their own personal beliefs. Charity should not come with conditions. But for the majority of the Church, it's either be a believer or suffer for your blasphemy. Even now, the fact that you are feeling guilt over something you should enjoy is their way of twisting the knife in your back. If you truly want to help the less fortunate, it's very easy to do, without ever needing religion. Try buying one toy for charity for every figure you buy yourself. You will end up getting less figures for yourself sure, but you now have that peace of mind that you are helping others. Forcing yourself to suffer because someone has it worse will not help those who have it worse. If you do not find your own inner peace, through whatever means, you will never really be able to offer aid to those in need. No, I do not feel guilt about my habits. This life is short, fleeting and ultimately a cosmic hiccup in the grand scheme of things. There is no second chance, there is no do-over, there is no other side. Our shot at happiness is right now, and I will do my best to enjoy this one moment in time where I am alive. I will find joy in the mundane, happiness inside myself and from those around me and I will in turn try to spread that joy and happiness to others through acts of kindness for kindness's sake. Be good, care about others and give when you can, but always make sure your own needs are met as well.
>>11768903>YOLOThat's exactly why I second guess myself. What if I could do things better?>>11768908I get what you are saying, and you make very good points I agree with, but you have atheist brainrot.
>>11768910Not atheist, realist. Any religion who can look at a new born baby and say "That thing is full of sin, wash it or it'll never be one of us" is pure evil. Even if the christian god was real, I still wouldn't worship something so vile as to condemn the souls of children to a fate worse then death. The fact that you can see my points by ultimately dismiss them because "atheism bad" shows that you're beliefs aren't that firm. Save yourself some suffering, go buy yourself some toys, give some to charity and sleep in on Sunday, you'll feel much better about everything in no time.
>>11768928It's all more complicated than that.And I'm not dismissing all of what you said, just the unnecessary slander against religion and the nihilism, under which I'm not including the fact that it's a miracle that we exist. I don't need them, you don't need them.
How is collecting toys "immoral"? What would be a moral hobby? Drunk driving? Exchanging stds with others? Killing animals? Those are the kinds of hobbies normies have and want you to have I guess
>>11768821>I can't help but feel guiltyThis is Catholicism in a nutshell, you got yourself into this.I suggest you look into different sects of Christianity less focused on shame and repentance for things that you never even did and less on worrying about toys.
>>11768939>How is collecting toys "immoral"?Not gravely immoral but, how do I put it, wasteful. Think throwing away half a plate of perfectly good food after each meal.You aren't actually harming anyone but your finances, but more importantly, that food could be put to better use.>>11768944This isn't like being in a subculture, you know.
>>11768821He told you that because you feel you are collecting in a way that is wrong that's why you brought it up. It's good to patron crafts and arts that you love but doing so beyond your means to afford or store is wrong. The first step to dealing with a problem is admitting it exists. As for the poor...fuck them. This isn't Jesus times anymore. Nowadays people are poor cause they're asshole substance abusers and if you give their kids anything that's just an excuse for them not to feed them that week. I'm not kidding. I grew up in a family that was constantly the target of druggies trying to "get clean and find Jesus" and soon as they had financial security they'd start using again.
>>11768886>Icons, rosaries, and relics aren't exactly playthings.they still praise and care for them like they're important. Idolatry is against the commandments
>>11768938It's only as complicated as you make it. There is no grand secret to life, we're here for a cosmically short time, then we're not. It really don't get more simple then that. I say one should enjoy the time we have while we got it, but you're sitting there feeling guilty about buying toys. One of us is enjoying the short time we're alive, the other is making threads on a toy forum trying to reason away the guilty they're burdened with from an imaginary sky daddy. If you're so concerned about toy buying being "wasteful", then stop buying toys and start spending money on charity. Simple as that, no religion needed. But instead of doing either, you continue to "waste" money on toys and now you're "wasting" time on an internet image board trying to wash being *guilty* about wasting money on toys. But to me, time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time at all. The same could thus be said about toys. It brings me joy, it brings my kid joy, it brings many people around the world joy, as such it is not a waste at all. Could I spend more money to bring others who have less joy as well? Sure, I generally buy toys for kids at Xmas who aren't as fortunate and participate in food drives for those in need. But I can do those AND enjoy toys myself, no guilt needed. I can't save the world, but I can certainly do my best to make it suck a little less. And I don't have to sit in a room full of old people in gilded robes telling me to be ashamed of myself to do so.
Don't donate money to charities, they're mostly scams and your money will go to well-off people. It's more valuable to volunteer time and you can see what's actually going on on the inside.Ask yourself why you find random strangers more worthy of that hypothetical toy than you are. What causes this? Self-hate or glorifying the innocence of kids? You've only mentioned wanting to give to kids, not struggling adults.You work for your money, that makes you worthy of whatever you want to spend it on. Why would your god want you to be a less happy person?
>>11768821Toys are art, and I think art is one of the purest aspects of life. They can also be sold, which is to say shared with others and so are not consumed like food or petrol.There are so many greedy rich psychos in the world anon, you're not the one causing a child to go without. If anything you deserve more.
Religion is a joke, if you truly believed it you wouldn't be listening to these guys and instead would follow the original texts in their original language or the closest thing you couldAll that guy is saying is his view on the matter and ultimately it sounds like bullshit because it's clearly an opinion rather than a cited reasoning Also this guy >>11769105 is right, Charity is mostly a scam because of how much of it goes into people's pockets rather than the people it's meant to help
Catholicism is the most trinket loving religion out there, but is also designed to make you feel shitty and guilty about everything, so you go confess because you’ve been gaslit into feeling bad about everything, then the relief from the pardon from the kiddy fiddling priest gives you dopamine.If you like Jesus and want to follow him, just do as he did. Be kind to others and volunteer your free time, not your money to faceless charities. You can do stuff like take mentally disabled people out for little day trips or volunteer at soup kitchens or homeless charities, which is far closer to following Jesus than getting nagged by a priest. Toys are fine, just use your time well like he did instead of wasting it at church or preaching platitudes.
>>11768821I'm not into fantasy novels
>>11768821>larping to get (you)You know you can just go to /v/ and say the same thing but with videogames to get more (you) for your daily fix
>>11768821Take everything religion with a grain of salt Anon, all of them say that god told them this and that but in the end all you hear and read has been written by the hand of men.>particularly after a priest told me that collecting toys wasn't a good thing to doThat guy sounds like a retard with double standards, why does he spend money on any possessions when he could donate it to charity instead?>but when I think that the money I spent on Beyblade could be used on buying food for the poor or just to gift them to children who love toys as much as I do but lack the funds, I can't help but feel guiltyYou can always donate or help people in need but never do it at the expense of your own happines and wellness, no one can be a martyr in real life...
>>11768821stupidest roleplay I've every seen on this board and that's saying something.
>>11768821>I converted to CatholicismWell, there’s your first problem. You joined the most masochistic branch of modern mainstream Christianity.>a priest told me that collecting toys wasn't a good thingI’m sure he also says that using protection during sex isn’t a good thing and that divorcing from an abusive spouse is bad too. Those priests sure are a wise bunch.>one of the few things I don't resent about modernity/industrial societyI doubt you were raised in complete rural poverty away from civilization and modern amenities, but if that’s the case go innawoods and live off the land all Walden style or become a Buddhist monk instead. You have no idea how much you benefit from industrial society and modernity. Is it perfect? No. But don’t act like it’s mostly all shit except for the toys. Antibiotics, running tap water that isn’t laden with toxins or germs, internal plumbing, HVAC, food with shelf lives measured in months/years rather than hours/days, using a computer to digitally whine on a Sri Lankan basket-weaving forum…. I’m gonna bet you like those parts of industrial civilization too.>I have a bunch of figures from various lines, and I know that, for example, I wouldn't be doing good by me nor a random kid, if I gifted them one of my import figures since they exist in a weird middle ground between display piece, fidget toy, and action figure. They are meant to be handled by adults or by very well-socialized kids, but you wouldn't bring them to the park to take them on adventures, throw them in the mud, leave on a bench, etc. I could start with my Transformers, but due to various reasons when I was picking up some speed in my purchases, a lot of them are limited releases or imports.Then sell your pricy collector toys and use the money to buy clothing and food to anonymously gift to struggling families.Otherwise this is just a pussy excuse for your avarice and materialism being more pressing than your alleged spirituality.
Japanese don't seem to have these conversations and know its a dumb hobby anon, why are you white people like this and need to confess some sort of sin? Is it indulgent for all of you?
>>11768821People seem to have difficulty separating the teachings of Christ from the church that utilizes the former as a cynical means of control over the masses. Your body itself is God's temple. That was what God attempted to impress upon Solomon with his riddle before the smooth brain idiot decided to solve the riddle by summoning and enslaving actual demons to build the first temple. You don't answer to priests or popes or archbishops. If you are doing something wrong God will tell you himself and you will know if he does.
>>11768991>they still praise (them)This is blatantly untrue lmfao
>>11768821Have you considered the majority of funko pop collectors are American and propagate low quality slop as sacred? What you collect is fine just don't be American about it and treat it as No 1
>>11769465then why do they carry them around every time a prayer or lecture happens?
>>11768944Yeah, join a big evangelical megachurch! You don't gotta worry about sin or guilt or anything, just pay the big guy on the screen and all your sins will be forgiven! Unless you miss one payment, then it's off to SuperHell© with you, you apostate!If you believe all others are lies then why not just go to the one that justifies yourself the best?Or just sell me all your toys, it's moral to sell them off to purify them, no?Heck, why not sell them for cheap so that that it's just like donating! That'll earn you some keys to heaven, you good little testament to Nietzsche's warnings about slave morality you!
>>11768821catholics aren't Christians and defying the Bible is built into your weird little cultyou're also just plain stupid. you shouldn't feel guilt about spending money on toys instead of giving to the poor. you should feel guilty about spending money on figures because they are plastic idols and you are worshiping them by spending time, money, and attention on them. you literally have them in a shrine inside your home. a lot of the figures are also based on things of demonic origin from stories that are subversive.
>>11768821>collecting toys wasn't a good thing to do >better be donating to church!!!kek lol lmao
>>11769961catholics aren't ChristiansI’ve heard this statement before and it always confused me. Anyone mind explaining how one of the oldest branches of Christianity isn’t ‘Christian’? Genuinely curious how they don’t count as a Christian faith. Is it just Protestant self-righteousness or is there something I’m not understanding. I was raised Methodist btw but have been agnostic for more than half my life now.
>>11768821Having hobbies is one of the things that makes life worth living for. We can only give a limited amount of damns in our lifetime, so use them wisely.
>>11770040Ignore 'em, Protestants are spiritually-deprived contrarians who were founded by a licentious, debauched demoniac.
>>11770040I guess since their Church doesn’t seem to follow the teachings of Christ in any meaningful way, but none of them do.The Catholic aesthetic is very good though. One of my local churches briefly held 40k tournaments because some kids finessed them into thinking it was Catholicism friendly with some of the designs lel
>>11770202Yeah, reading up on Martin Luther we apparently have him to thank for fundamentalist ideas like taking the bible literally (even though Jesus himself used parables a shit ton) which lead to the bullshit that is young-earth creationism. That and him throwing a bitch-fit that Jews shockingly didn’t want to join his faith (because it’s totally different other than than the whole Jesus is still the messiah belief) which led to him literally writing the how-to book on European anti-semitism (a discussion onto itself, I know). Then there’s good ol’ Henry VIII and his shenanigans, and the no-fun-allowed Puritans. Catholicism has its problems (pedophilia, perpetuating poverty with tithing+no birth control, guilt, etc) but at least they don’t preach that fossils were planted into the earth by Satan and that god made the universe and every living thing in it in precisely 144hrs.
>>11770665Ok, but Martin was right about the jews just like Ford
>>11770676Eh, my take away from Martin’s tirade was that he was butt hurt the Hews wouldn’t join his nuChristian faith (shocking…) so he just whined like a bitch and advocated for violence, vandalism, and sectarian bullshit until they accepted the love of Jesus. You know, the guy who advocated for loving your neighbors AND you enemies and to let god be the one to cast judgement.
>>11768821Buying half naked loli action figures is always morally correct.
>>11771111Mr.Kamen Rider! Nooooooo!
>>11768821If you need some man to direct your life for you maybe you really should sell everything you have and be a church drone. You clearly can't be trusted as an autonomous human being.
>>11771191yes yes yes exactlylisten to some random rando
>>11768821Anon, It is important to know that all of mankind has been created with a conscience, which is one of the way God, and the Holy Spirit, speak into our lives. I am not a Catholic, I prefer my non-denominational faith. I think you have a calling in your life to do something that will benefit others, and you should act on it. Maybe you can sell some figures, maybe you don't; I don't think that possessing them is the core of the dilemma that you are facing. Generally, sin that manifests as materialism starts when your possessions start owning you, not the other way around. Remember Jesus's encounter with the young ruler: Though he claimed to keep the commandments, Jesus challenged him to sell his possessions and follow him; the man walked away sorrowful because he loved his wealth. If you feel a calling on your heart to help those less fortunate, act on it. I suggest charity or missions that do real work. Hydromissions focusses on building wells, teaching the local population how to maintain the wells, clean water management, and the gospel. Do your research, and find a way to help those around you. Read your Bible! Nothing can prepare you for life's trials like a good understanding of God's Word! If you feel time is more what you'd like to do ate, consider being a mentor for Big Brothers Big Sisters, and help a youth by being a good role model and investing time in them. It all starts with a call to action, and your first step.
>>11768821This thread's entire premise falls apart when you remember the Catholic church made this their mascot just last year and sell merchandise of her in a store a few blocks away from the Vatican. Collecting toys is "bad" because that's money you could be giving to the church.
Being a Priest doesnt make him be right about everything. They commit mistakes and some of them are actually infiltrated to destroy Christianism.Anyways, no hobby is sinful or harmful as long as you dont get bankrupt for it.Amén
>>11772574I would unironically buy it
>>11773560I did.Her design is actually amazing.And now I ride with Christ so I'm always protected from satanists in volvos, jews in kias, and filthy protestants in pickups.
>>11768821nigga its just a toy
>>11768821https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13640a.htm>>11773617based
>>11768821By purchasing toys you are helping to fuel the economy. It’s far superior to scamming the poor by selling them indulgences (shots fucking fired).
>>11770703Luther’s first battle was against his own church when he tried to stop the get out of hell free by buying indulgences scam the Catholics were running at the time. They were exploiting a ton of followers to build shit when they were already filthy rich. It’s no surprise the next money scamming group in his sights were the long noses.
>>11774180Indulgences don't have to do with hell but purgatory. Why are americans so ignorant about the religion?
>>11774186I’m not American faggot. Stick your scam up your taint.
>>11773617oh it's a girl. i assumed other
>>11774186Why are idolators constantly obsessed and seething about Americans?
>>11770040The reasoning is this:Papism is idolatry. Venerating Mary as some holy, better-than-human figure is rejecting the point of Jesus being fully human AND fully divine. Veneration of saints and Mary as sublime entities that can forgive your sins is blasphemous. Most of the differences between Catholicism and other mainstream denominations involve glorifying Earthly things and people as holy despite the Bible itself being very blatantly against that.
>>11777549Sounds like they just reflavored Roman gods and their worshipping practices. I recall learning way back that things like penances were just reworking of Roman pre-Christianity luck rituals and the like. In fact, wasn’t early Christianity in the early days of the empire just regarded as another sect of Judaism by most Romans that weren’t in it? The fact that Catholicism exorcised virtually any influence of Judaism (eat your heart out, Maruhk!) to make a religion that was at the least inimical to it’s precursor faith despite the fact that the main character of the faith and his disciples were, in fact, also Jews just shows how much Catholicism was tainted by polytheistic Roman influence to begin with.
>>11774186But purgatory doesn't exist anymore anon
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You buying toy isn't wasting money per say, by spending the money it goes back into the system where some salarymen, advertising outlets or factory worker gets their cut. So unless you're buying from scalpers I find it to be hardly a waste esp with the current price/plastic ratio we get nowadays. Stagnant money is bad money
>>11783296As George Carlin said when talking about the 10 Commandments:“ ‘Thou shall not covet they neighbor’s goods’. This one is just plain fucking stupid. Coveting your neighbor’s goods is what keeps the economy going. Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays ‘O Come All Ye Faithful’, you wanna get one too. Coveting creates jobs, leave it alone.”
>>11768821Collecting anything is not ideal, as it can promote coveting and materialism, which lead to much more dangerous sins (eg. look at the Zuckerburgs, Bezos', Elons and Trumps of this world). As long as it doesn't become some sort of compulsion/addiction and doesn't take you away from God or your virtues (ie. its more of just a hobby you engage in occasionally) I think you might be okay. If you said to the priest "I collect toys" and you are an adult, he might not fully understand the nuance of a fully grown man having hundreds of action figures of scantly clad sexy anime nuns wearing lingerie. He might be gently prompting you (apparently successfully) to consider what you donate most of your time to currently (if that's the case) his job after all, is to shepherd you closer to Christ.Luke 12:15: "Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."1 Timothy 6:9: "Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction."^ rich in this sense is not just money. Give yourself some time to think about things and don't give up on faith.Maybe, instead of buying a figurine next time, donate $30 or something to a charity (Cafod is a good one) and see how that makes you feel. >side-noteI was just making a little joke about the sexy nuns thing though, anon. Good luck on your journey to Christ and God bless.>t. fellow Catholic
>>11768852This is vastly incorrect.Icons are venerated (not worshiped) they exist to help promote prayer and focus. Asking for a saints intercession (read, asking them to pray for us to God - for our intentions) is not praising/praying to a saint. A good analogy is having people behind you, like a team or people that have your back.Christmas is about the celebration of Jesus' birth. God coming into the earth, and giving to one another (hence gifts). I'm not sure if this anons post is Protestant psuedo-intellectualism or trolling.
>>11768908Satanic hands typed this post.You have been led astray brother, turn to the light.
>>11768908tl;dr>religion is false>indulge in hedonism>don't feel remorsedoesn't sound like a great recipe for true happiness anon. I hope you feel better soon.
>>11772562wow, a Battletoad in the wild. I thought no one bought these.
